halo-discussion

[onyx latch]

She had no transport left, no units to call on, and no more ship.

The only reason the ring was even kept from firing was because Arbiter survived what would've killed him, provided Johnson a means of escape to steal a Scarab, and they teamed up to kill Tartarus.

Brain fog.

[coarse pollen]

She’s such a butchered character. I just like her design and voice, lol

[onyx latch]

Her plan to make the Covenant pay for the loss of Crow's Nest was really just a drawn out and messy kamikaze bombing.

Her plan to take the road to Voi and take out an AA gun didn't even provide the UNSC with a meaningful push on the keyship, which ultimately didn't care and just did what it was designed to do.

And even if they did literally nothing but evac Voi, all it would've provided was one more gun to glass when the flood Crash landed.

[magic night]

I actually think the TV show did a much better job with Miranda than the games. She at least has some characterization and growth beyond 'Nepo baby tries to live up to her parent's legacy but fails and the game doesnt even acknowledge this'

[exotic vigil]

Praising the tv show is wild

It butchered the lore more than halo 4

[onyx latch]

It's easier to do than people act like it is.

It actually got a lot of things right, and what it didn't do 'right' it just really did differently.

[exotic vigil]

You guys are hilarious

[magic night]

What's wild is that I actually formed my own opinion by watching instead of regurgitating someone else's thoughts.

[onyx latch]

^

I guess thinking is just funny to people.

[magic night]

I'm not even a fan of the show. I can still acknowledge that it did some things well.

[exotic vigil]

Why is it that because I disagree I can’t have formed my own opinion

[onyx latch]

Becuase you aren't actually really arguing an opinion right now, just saying we're silly for paying attention.

And actually having notes comparing story treatments.

[exotic vigil]

Is it so hard to imagine that some people just don’t like the show

[onyx latch]

Not really. It's hard to imagine that all the complaints are genuine though.

[exotic vigil]

Dude you don’t need to cite sources for why you didn’t like a show thats ridiculous

[crystal iron]

Is it so hard to imagine that some people just like the show

[magic night]

It's not. I don't like the show. Saying "show bad" isn't much of a point.

[exotic vigil]

No its just a bad show

[onyx latch]

Lmao, Rok didn't even cite a source beyond the show, he just watched it.

[exotic vigil]

People like bad things all the time

[onyx latch]

And then compared the show's treatment of Miranda to the game's

Which is straight up just a better utilization of Miranda.

And there's always the endless bellyaching about how it 'butchered' lore, but it actually gets a ton right. Plasma's super lethal, the Covenant don't really give a damn about butchering unarmed civilians, Spartans mulch in melee, Jackals use plasma cutlasses like they've always done in the background.

Some of the things they outright do for drama (The emotion inhibitors) are outright discussed in earlier Halo books, but as Silver's a different timeline, it's implemented there but not into actual canon-canon.

Mechanically, it gets most of its 'lore butchery' right. So if the Halo Show's a butcher, it knows its cuts.

[crystal iron]

Bruh

Leave @exotic vigil alone

XD

The halo show is the worst show ive ever seen

[onyx latch]

Lmao

[crystal iron]

Accept it lmao

[onyx latch]

You must not watch much tv.

Accept some random dude.

[exotic vigil]

Probably just doesnt watch bad tv

[crystal iron]

Based sluger

Komedi joined server today btw

[exotic vigil]

Based komedi

[crystal iron]

Lmao

[crystal iron]

Ur a kewl dude tbh

[exotic vigil]

Appeal to authority

[onyx latch]

I'd bet money komedi just randomly hopped in.

[crystal iron]

🤓

[crystal iron]

Wouldn’t be surprised if it was some alt account or his friend

[onyx latch]

Sorry, I don't lick boots.

[crystal iron]

I have a life outside of THE HALO DISCORDDDD

[onyx latch]

Then maybe you should get back to it.

[exotic vigil]

You seem to lick 343s just fine

[crystal iron]

I used to be in the server but then i quit halo for a bit

[coarse dagger]

Think that's about enough now

[exotic vigil]

You think I have friends?

[crystal iron]

Ruh roh

[exotic vigil]

Uh oh i said the numbers

[crystal iron]

I don’t know. Maybe you have. Maybe you don’t. I have no idea

[onyx latch]

Just call me a 343 shill already. I know you're working up to it.

[crystal iron]

Based rookie?

[exotic vigil]

Why would I do that?

[onyx latch]

It's the same weaksauce insult people pull out when people don't blindly criticize, lmao.

[coarse dagger]

**Think that's about enough now **

Let's move on please

Take it to DMs if you want to continue

[exotic vigil]

Laaaaame

Gg trench

[crystal iron]

🤣

[exotic vigil]

No hard feelings yeah?

[crystal iron]

I hear that a lot lmao

[sand forge]

i was wrong earlier i didn’t want fiesta i wanted halo 5 action sack. it looks like they removed it??

[onyx latch]

That'd suck.

[crystal iron]

Rookie is a great example of a good character made by BUNGIE

[sand forge]

i can’t find it 😦

[crystal iron]

Agreed. I am so glad that they created me

[exotic vigil]

Literally the rookie

[crystal iron]

Fr bungie is awesome

[exotic vigil]

Based and rookiepilled

[crystal iron]

Lol

[crystal iron]

Was awesome. Don’t like current bungie much to be honest

[crystal iron]

Same i think destiny is alr

[exotic vigil]

Does anyone like any current devs honestly

[crystal iron]

On bungie?

[crystal iron]

Let me think

[exotic vigil]

I mean theres some but gaming is in a bit of a slump right now

[crystal iron]

Xbox 360 > new consoles

Everyone likes from software and capcom now

[onyx latch]

Only reason I'm even mildly happy with From is that they remembered Armored Core existed again, finally.

Never really found any of the Soulslikes engaging in the slightest.

[crystal iron]

Yall remeber when blue was free

[crystal iron]

And I never played it. Armored core 6 will be my first game from this franchise

[onyx latch]

So from launch.

[crystal iron]

[storm snow]

Why does this game feel so terrible at anything past a 30 ms ping?

[crystal iron]

Armor cores are a joke

[onyx latch]

Packet loss rate is seperate from ping, at times. Maybe that's why.

Might want to switch to a wired connection.

[crystal iron]

Idk. It works just fine for me at 100ms ping

[storm snow]

I'm on a wired connected

[onyx latch]

Huh.

[storm snow]

Connection*

[crystal iron]

Or maybe da servers suck @storm snow

[onyx latch]

Maybe it's an ISP issue?

[storm snow]

Na I'm on comcast now but was on fios before and it's the same.

[coarse dagger]

Maybe worth troubleshooting in #1075989764026675210

[storm snow]

I don't need to be told to reset my console and router lol

[onyx latch]

If you have two network connections (2Ghz vs 5.4Ghz) swap to the other one.

[crystal iron]

RESTART UR GAME

Bruh

[onyx latch]

Otherwise, people have gotten good help through the self help.

[storm snow]

I'm on ethernet yo

[onyx latch]

... And?

[storm snow]

That's not how that works...

[crystal iron]

Wdym and

[onyx latch]

Hmn.

[crystal iron]

[storm snow]

This is why self help sections are useless lmao

[onyx latch]

Dunno, I've ran the game off of a VPN in the middle east and had no real issues, so.

[crystal iron]

Fr

[onyx latch]

Best way I can say is that the network can be finnicky and I've fixed it by something as minor as changing wireless connection type.

[crystal iron]

Just watch a youtube tutorial

[coarse dagger]

Submit a support ticket then

[storm snow]

I have one open already, just venting

[crystal iron]

Bro literally saved whole humanity. They just have to watch tutorials.

[crystal iron]

Me when Halo 4 came out: Halo, its finished

[crystal iron]

Just dust and echoes?

[storm snow]

Halo 4 was great

[crystal iron]

..m

Idk

[ruby knoll]

I liked H4, nice story, mantis slapped, etc

It had it's flaws to be sure, but it was a good game

[onyx latch]

Removing the Mantis from Halo is the worst deal in the history of deals.

[crystal iron]

Based?

[coarse dagger]

I miss the Mantis too

I'd love to see it back

[crystal iron]

Are you serious

That thing was broken af

[onyx latch]

It was pretty fragile.

[ruby knoll]

It'd be a nice option for cramped btb maps for a heavy vehicle option

[onyx latch]

Some people got good mileage out of it though.

And it's a mech. Mechs are always cool.

[ruby knoll]

I remember this one btb map in 4, had a mantis and a wraith

[crystal iron]

Halo is now dollar tree power rangers

[coarse dagger]

Keep it constructive please

[onyx latch]

I'm sure they will.

[crystal iron]

Boi nobody was talking to you

[onyx latch]

And? It's a message board.

[crystal iron]

[ruby knoll]

I also want to see like, wider maps with superheavy vehicles like the locust, the grizzly, the collosus

Colossus

[onyx latch]

... I want to say it was Exile, but I don't think it was.

Exile was Mantis and Gausshog.

[storm snow]

Maps need to get smaller imo. It takes forever to get back to the action in btb when you die

[onyx latch]

Longbow was Wraith.

[ruby knoll]

It was cliff-y

The map

[onyx latch]

Ah a DLC map

[coarse dagger]

Valhalla?

[onyx latch]

Nope

I know which one AC's talking about it, was a map pack map

[coarse dagger]

That had a banshee as well

[ruby knoll]

No no, the map had narrow tunnels. No fliers, no scorps

[onyx latch]

The big one that was a bunch of tunnels on a cliff face.

[signal ivy]

Exile

[coarse dagger]

Daybreak?

[onyx latch]

Wh

[signal ivy]

oh yeah it could be that too

[coarse dagger]

Daybreak had the best skybox

I loved that map

[onyx latch]

OUTCAST

[coarse dagger]

Ooooh

[onyx latch]

It was Outcast.

[signal ivy]

oh yeah

[onyx latch]

I never actually got to play on that map.

Maybe I should remake it in Forge.

[ruby knoll]

That's the one

[onyx latch]

Yeah, Daybreak didn't really have many vehicles, or at least nothing heavy.

[coarse dagger]

Just a banshee and a goose I think

[onyx latch]

Daybreak reminds me of a Titanfall map.

With the background ship and the colonial frontier design.

[crystal iron]

🤓

@exotic vigil ur back!!!

[coarse dagger]

Perdition was another great one, didn't get much play time on that sadly

[onyx latch]

I liked Shatter.

Super underrated.

[coarse dagger]

I want a remake of Skyline

After seeing what Forge can do for Plaza, Skyline could be incredible

[onyx latch]

Actually, I think Forging wouldn't be the best idea, because you could add some environment storytelling stuff to Skyline.

A fresh map that has, say, a Promethean Phaeton replace the hornet, and the background being a Created-run city.

[coarse dagger]

[dusk thunder]

Halo Infinite, the first Halo where point blank hammer strikes don’t kill but they sure as heck work from 20 feet away… as long as it’s your enemy wielding the hammer, that is.

So sick of this

[signal ivy]

stand 20 feet back from the enemy and swing

[dusk thunder]

Apparently

[onyx latch]

See the issue is that you're using American units of measurement. The Hammer actually really hates that.

Imperial, whatever.

[rare lantern]

Anyone else getting rubbish frame rates and massive dsync on solitude? It’s unplayable for me. I’ve even tried a fresh install

[devout kite]

What’s everyone thoughts on the new btb map I like it

I wish we get stock pile on it

[crystal iron]

Didn’t had a chance to play on it yet

[devout kite]

I played it a few times it’s nice but limited sniper lines of sights

[full warren]

does the game take ping into consideration?

because I feel it does not, here I am playing on 120 ping on USA servers which makes none of my shots register or hit but I feel like the game still just puts me in games based on my csr

[young glen]

Do you have it on local?

[full warren]

local finds me 0 games

I waited 15 mins for a quick play and got 0 games

[young glen]

Right.

Yeah, if it's on expanded ping will be less important. I was in a few +100ms matches earlier today until I changed it back. The experience was terrible .

Generally, being on +100 ping will be a less than optimal experience, but there is something with this game that makes it feel x10 times worse.

[full warren]

Its the delay in the kill, I know I killed them but there is a delay so I fire 1 more shot and that is wasted shot

whch means I stay out of cover for longer and waste ammo and do not shoot other people, it all makes a difference I am not playing at my Level when its on 120 ping but I guess match making don't care and just put me in the same games as before because everytime I am on usa servers I find it way harder, or I am getting head shot out of no where which generally do not happen on eu servers,

Its like I think I am hidden behidn a wall but I guess on their screen I am just casually standing out there with my head poppoing out

lol just played a game one of my team amte fired 95 shots in that game and hit 1.... If I told you this you think I am joking but omg it happened

his literally worse than a bot

[misty vale]

Aight I'm gonna hit u with a mute because literally all you do is complain about how bad people are at halo, which is true. Most players of this game are really bad. Deal with it! Losing does not matter one bit.

But, before I go I will answer this q one last time

[misty vale]

No. Server preference shooters do, which is why this game feels so much different than previous halos. Server preference does not work above 60fps though. In combination with this, HI is INCREDIBLY ping dependent. Sorry that it is unpopular in the EU. PERHAPS it would attract more people if the fans weren't relentless with their negativity.

Have a good one. Have fun!

[full warren]

All this game do is punish good players its hard trying to be positive when you have more kills than the rest of your whole team and you are up against two onyx players, wtf am i supposed to do

[faint bloom]

Heya guys, I just picked up Halo MCC for PC and I was wondering if anyone can help me out with how to play modded? It's the steam version, and I wanna try stuff like the cool firefight mode and etc.

[crystal iron]

From what I heard you just need to subscribe to some mods on workshop and they will work without problem

[faint bloom]

Ohh I thought it was like a whole process (Skyrim and Fallout modding background)

If it's that easy, then I'm pretty happy

[misty vale]

Steam workshop is actually a great mod delivery system

[left snow]

Spend a bit more time helping and defending your team mates?

It makes a huge difference.

I can tell when the designated hitter in our team is supporting.

[full warren]

But you make it sound like they want to be defended, I can't help them if they walk down the middle of the map in the open all i can do is try to shoot who shots him but they are always just running out and get insta melted which leaves me no time to actually do damage. Some people can't be helped, a guy with 0 games should not be placed in a game with two onyx it is that simple

The only thing is pick the next best guy on my team and stick with him because I know he will do damage and hope us two will farm their noobs faster they can farm ours, which really is not a fun way to play

[ivory glacier]

So you’re that guy. A teammate just isn’t that good at the game and it really bothers you that much? I remember when I couldn’t aim for the life of me. You’re complaining cuz you’re so good (bragging) and talking about how you’re teammates are so bad. You messaging them too? I love people who do that. It’s a game

[full warren]

You miss my entire point, I dont want them to be destroyed in games like these, I do not enjoy farming them nor do they enjoy being 0/15. I just dont want them in my games

I said many times i do not want to be the best player in a match, I wish I am the middle of the pack, then I can actually learn and have actual fights not just farming randoms who only joined the game 5 mins ago

[faint bloom]

Do I need to turn off anti-cheat to play workshop mods?

[misty vale]

Not typically but I haven't used it with halo just a bunch of other games

[faint bloom]

Gotcha

[terse pond]

I’m guessing a map file is corrupted if it can’t be started in forge or custom games

[short heart]

perchance

[crystal iron]

Almost forgot to play my 1 round of Halo. But the sun took it out if it's like 103 and I have been outside all day lol

[split rover]

Has anyone else been having disconnect issues with Infinite lately? My internet will be fine, and the game will play out the first few seconds, and then bam.

[terse pond]

Not just you. My server got wiped out twice

[crystal iron]

Iv hot peak adult glory... I'm in bed watching Halo legends eating not 1 but 2 croissants

[formal tree]

Does anyone know what’s happening with the story?

[pearl moth]

Hard retcon soon?

[onyx latch]

I'd really rather not lose any interest in the franchise like I did with Star Wars.

I'd genuinely be disgusted by that.

Vomit-inducing.

[solid ingot]

the only thing in need of a hard retcon would be the size of the longswords in Halo CE

[gusty flume]

Can’t remember why I got bored of halo.. think I just got a PS instead back in the day lol

Trying Halo Infinite for the first time. Forge mode looks really cool

[hollow bobcat]

What story? 😂

Halo Infinite botched the story so badly. Everything was set up from Halo 5 and I thought we were going to get a continuation of those events. It turns out that Halo Infinite was more like Halo 7 instead of Halo 6.

It's as if 343 were cowards. After two Halo games, they thought we hated the story, so they just basically threw that all away.

At this point, 343 should just finish what they started by continuing the story directly after Halo 5, but they didn't do that. We got a bland campaign with the worst AI and a whiny janitor at your side.

[slow walrus]

halo 5 fans trying not to defend the least acclaimed campaign in the franchise's history challenge (difficulty impossible)

[smoky wave]

Halo 5 fans are mostly from the multiplayer lol

[robust drum]

I’ll be honest, I can’t remember much of 5’s campaign. I think 4’s had a pelican mission or something.

I can remember all of CE, 2, 3, ODST, and Infinite, but 4 & 5’s were…well I can remember bits if anything

[errant relic]

nah h5 had a goated forge too

[crystal iron]

Halo 5 had one of the best multiplayers in series

[errant relic]

multi was pretty fun too, especially fiesta, probably the best version of that gamemode

warzone was decent, but the champagne, while it was fun at times, was complete garbagio

[errant relic]

on jah

[crystal iron]

?

[errant relic]

meaning that youre right, it was a goated multi

[crystal iron]

Oh ok

[errant relic]

just wished armor was earned in a different way, and that the 152 grind wasnt so long

[crystal iron]

152 grind was definitely too long. I personally didn’t had much problem with req packs

[gusty flume]

Anyone wanna run H3 infection maps?

[wanton root]

trench

[hollow bobcat]

i'd rather play Halo 5's campaign over Infinite's. At least Guardians had the Arbiter, Buck, Cortana, and other main characters. Am I saying it's a good campaign? Not really. The OG saga blew it out of the water, including H4.

As mentioned before, all Infinite had was a whiny janitor and an airheaded AI who should have been deleted.

[full warren]

does theater mode not work on the new forrest map

it just crash? when i open it

[cobalt harbor]

any up for h2 gravemind speedrun ?

@me

[onyx latch]

5's campaign was actually pretty decently well received critically, albeit not uniformly so. It was the fanbase who loathed it.

It did a lot more right than most give it credit for. Kind of like a more extremely polarized version of the Halo 2 campaign when that came out, which was similarly praised story wise, but took a few years to actually get praised by the fanbase at large.

But then, most people would rather slot themselves in with a youtuber's opinions than generate their own, so maybe that's stunting the growing process there.

Not that it matters anymore, though. Outcry over things that made sense stunted the next game when overreaction occurred as usual.

[hollow bobcat]

That's basically everywhere you go for fanbases.

A Youtuber can say Halo secretly recruits people for ISIS and they'd 100% believe them.

[full warren]

But isn't H5 only had 3 million with master chief and the rest is some random dude

I never played it since its not on mcc

[magic night]

As much as Halo 2 is played with Master Chief, and then a bunch of missions with some random dude.

[onyx latch]

I still argue that it would've been better off without having Chief in it, at least not all the time.

[onyx latch]

I always found it amusing that people complain that Chief doesn't do a lot in 5, but then go and praise Halo 2's story.

Where Chief... Also honestly doesn't do a lot.

At least in terms of plot resolution at his own hands.

[magic night]

Halo 2 had fun Chief missions with minimal story and boring Arbiter missions with all the good story.

[onyx latch]

I honestly always found the Arbiter missions a little more fun when there's no vehicles or gondolas. But then I'm the same masochist who likes The Library.

[hollow bobcat]

ODST or Reach for the best non-Chief halo game?

[onyx latch]

Spartan Ops.

[magic night]

Halo Wars

[onyx latch]

Of those two, though, I'd say ODST. It's weird. I don't like Halo 2 or 3 all that much, but ODST is something I like.

[magic night]

Narratively, I prefer ODST over Reach.

[hollow bobcat]

ODST has better nostalgia imo

[onyx latch]

The second Nostalgia gets mentioned as a quality I'm out.

[onyx pendant]

The arbiter mission were some of the funnest ones imo

[onyx latch]

That's just free points for existing, a critical participation award.

[magic night]

Eh. Aside from the last two, I'd pass on all the others.

Especially Sacred Icon.

Sacred Icon was like the worst bits of the Library

[onyx pendant]

I honestly just loved h2 campaign, every mission was fun to me

[onyx latch]

What I find most annoying about 5's reception was that people fixated on the story details so much while A) Getting them Wrong and B) Ignoring the parts every campaign had been historically praised for until 5.

Like, somehow, it became about the micro, when all Halo every really got praised for campaignwise until around Reach was the macro.

Big set pieces and whatnot.

[magic night]

Yeah. 5 had fun setpieces and good gameplay. The thing all the previous games got praised for. Everyone ignores that in their critiques of 5.

3 was narratively really bad. Somehow not a point against it but it is a point against 5.

[onyx latch]

Like, I don't get how you can fixate on being angry at the Chief v Locke fight so much when you just fought through a Covenant city, with AA fire and over an ocean, culminating in fighting a giant in front of a giant space owl alongside the Arbiter, which in turn gets added to by sprinting down the back of said space owl after using it as a teleporter.

That's cool as hell.

[onyx latch]

*As part of a force mainly comprised of elites, fighting more elites.

[magic night]

That Guardian sequence felt really cool. Kinda like the stuff that would later come in Titanfall 2's campaign. No praise for it.

[ruby knoll]

Ditto

[hollow bobcat]

I didn't say it was quality. I just have good memories of it.

If I had to rank the halo games by campaign:

1. Halo 2
2. Halo 3
3. Halo CE
4. ODST
5. Reach
6. Halo 4
7. Halo 5
8. Halo Infinite

[onyx latch]

I always hated doing ranks because it implies a very static mindset about quality.

I do think there's a definite pecking order, mind, but it's also very fluid.

[magic night]

I'd have to create at least two separate lists: one for gameplay and another for story.

Gameplay is pretty flexible. I don't think any of the games are bad and are pretty closely matched in that department. Story has some clear winners and losers for me.

[storm snow]

https://i.imgur.com/NguN5RG.png

Awesome team balancing when myself and 1 other guy get 90% of the kills

[misty vale]

you did good in that game good job man

can't control other people!

they wanna play halo with a controller that is outta battery, that's what they wanna do

[deft bloom]

sbmm is truly when 2 players who get 20 kills and 2 who get 3 go up against 4 who’ll get 12 kills

[sour acorn]

hey should i buy the halo mcc on steam the thing is i already own but using the xbox launcher instead but the thing is i want to mod the game and it is pretty easy to mod with steam and i wanted to play a mod for awhile so should i buy it?
and it is on sale
10 dollars

[storm snow]

I feel like matching teams the way it is will turn off new or inexperienced players. Like how much fun can it be to be on a team like that as a new player?

[misty vale]

maybe they understand that games have a learning curve and are just glad it's got fun gunplay

[storm snow]

Fair enough

[misty vale]

To be totally fair to you, I liked gaming before XBL with server browsers myself

found that sweaty servers got that rep

and fun servers got that rep, and people would choose accordingly

but XBL killed that.

[vapid marten]

Steep learning curve games has a tendency to drive players away.
"Artificially" making it even more steep by matching new players against high ranking players will only increase the likelihood of newer players not returning.
Generally, feeling like you don't accomplish anything will overall discourage people rather than encourage them.

[misty vale]

this game doesn't have a steep learning curve, however it's free 2 pass, so it's not going to have very many dedicated fans / players.

as such you get many newbies

[vapid marten]

No it doesn't, but it gets steep when you play against far better players because you don't really get a chance to experience things and learn from it.
It is artificial as the game decides who you'll play with and against, and picks players you'll have virtually no chance against.
I'm quite confident the game would survive if the MM system would be slightly stricter in the Skill Range and have even double search times in order to even out the matches more with more evenly skilled players than the current criteria where it seems to have a skill range criteria of -Infinite to Infinity.
Onyxes shouldn't be playing newbies.

[grim citrus]

Blame nostalgia and special pleading

[gusty flume]

That’s a really tough decision. I played games with both and enjoyed both. Right now I think browsers are the way to go especially in COD with shady SBMM.

[misty vale]

honestly thing SBMM in these f2pass games #1 priority is speed of matchmaking for every casual mode

so the skill bracketing is super wide

[formal tree]

Until you watch it

Or play it

But your right, in theory it should be cool

[onyx latch]

I liked it when I played it now and then.

I'm sorry you didn't. Well, not that sorry.

[short heart]

my mouse just stopped working only in game

[onyx latch]

In theory and in practice it's cool as hell. It's one of the best executed things about that game aside from ambient discussion between Osiris team that actually paid a lot of attention to their own source material. Except Buck, maybe, but he was also a last minute shoe-in.

[short heart]

how is that even a bug thats possible

[gusty flume]

Man I could’ve sworn Halo 3 was always 6v6 not 4v4

[onyx latch]

Isn't 6v6 objective modes?

[gusty flume]

Was slayer always 4v4?

[onyx latch]

Well, it has been since at least Halo Reach.

Can't speak for 3 because I preferred BTB back then.

[gusty flume]

Maybe I just played BTB lol

[onyx latch]

I know Reach's objective playlists had 5v5.

[limber atlas]

First MCC online match and i get 0 kills. Dont think im every touching multiplayer again

[onyx latch]

And that is why no-one will remember your name.

[limber atlas]

Ok

Sounds good to me.

[misty vale]

lol gifted kid alert. giving up when not instant god at a something lol

[grave ether]

[deft bloom]

For halo it definitely doesn’t take the first 8 players it can find in the from the same skill range. Each player has their csr but sbmm just has both teams have relatively equal csrs. so one team can have 3 players with higher than average csr and 1 with way below average and another team can have 3 players below average with 1 way higher. In addition to intentionally trying to keep players with a 50% win/loss rate. Which obviously presents balancing problems

On one hand makes the game for more skilled players awful, on the other casual fans don’t get absolutely demolished every single game

[misty vale]

I am often the far and away best player on my team. I was a paid halo player back before it became "subscribe to play" with Halo 2, and this game's gunplay and cadence is similar to PC CE

And I could care less that I get L's because people are bad at Halo. It's fun to play and losing has no negative aspect to it?

but, I don't play ranked. I like BTB. Here's all the ranked i've done

https://imgur.com/a/Un4JV78

[onyx latch]

Ah yes the erotic imagery of a stat sheet, thank you imgur

[misty vale]

WR over 60% requires age over 18 ig

[onyx latch]

I honestly never cared much about losing if the match was fun.

Though it's harder to feel passionate about winning in games lately.

[misty vale]

For me, being a terminator is fun

even if I lose, who cares I think you still get the same amt of xp?

[left snow]

The MM grabs the closest 8 players based on CSR. Giving into server population, wait times, and working around squads. Those 8 players are then divided into two teams based on MMR (which reflects current form). Again, doing it's best to work around squads.

There is no intention to keep players at a 50% win/loss rate, apart from the desire to accurately rank everyone and balance the two teams. The 50% should just evolve naturally from this.

[misty vale]

lol my overall winrate is 50.02%, system works according to the data boys

[left snow]

Mine's only 45%. Somebody out there is running around at 55%. 😦

[vapid marten]

Fun sure is the most important thing, and losses can be fun, wins can be boring.
Uneven matches are annoying, especially when it's frequent.

Win rate: 54.7%

[white birch]

Mine was at 50 but I kept playing during that BTB outage so I had a load of discons.

[left snow]

The data from Halo 5 was quite clear. The main reason for logging out of the game was an uneven match. More than losing, personal performance, or higher pings.

[left snow]

Time to give some of that back. Some of us need it... 🙂

[static sail]

Can't we play Halo Infinite offline season 4? I'm trynna play multiplayer with the boys but it's stuck at mode editor

[vapid marten]

Mine

[deft bloom]

Would definitely need a source for that info. Admittedly my answer was based on yt videos where people theorize. Because even the “maintained 50% win loss” is just a theory, but remains true for just about every single player plus or minus some

And just personal experience where teams are balanced so horrifically that I am playing with players going 1-14 and have clearly not touched the game and there is just no way my mmr is anywhere near that persons

[vapid marten]

It's quite... "fun".
Talking about this odd MM system.
Just had the oddest one yet.

Team Escalation and I went 36-6.
One team mate had 19-10.
The other two went 0-16 and 0-11.
Suspecting they're playing together as they have an equal amount of matches, 7.

None on the enemy team had triple digit matches played at all, but they were quite even kill wise, and deaths were distributed evenly as well.

[sullen anvil]

remove camo pickups from infection pls

[unique pilot]

no.

[smoky wave]

No

[signal ivy]

remove all guns from Halo pls

boxing gloves only

[sullen anvil]

remove half a continent

[unique pilot]

done, didn't you play Infinite?

[vapid marten]

Good while it lasted, desync galore, lost motivation

[magic night]

Source: https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/closer-look-halo-infinites-ranked-experience

[deft bloom]

None of that says something along the lines of “we take the 8 players closest to eachothers mmr/csr and put them together”

[magic night]

In this context a "fair match" is one where each team has a 50/50 chance at winning because the teams are evenly balanced. By consistently putting players into these fair matches, we expect to see an average 50% win rate. Note that that's a side effect we expect to see and not a goal - we don't give you unfair matches just to enforce a 50% win rate.

And then the Matchmaking section goes into further detail

[devout kite]

For the main channel or co

[magic night]

Also, I was responding to you requesting a source on the 50% win rate stuff, which is directly addressed there.

[deft bloom]

Ah gotcha. But yes in theory if this AI that matchmakes does so by team overall mmr it could still maintain that 50/50 shot of winning simply by putting a great player with 3 awful players against 4 average players

Which, in reality, isn’t a 50/50 shot at all

[crystal iron]

Hey is this drop coating only for the chimera?

[lime robin]

There's different days and channels for every core

Make sure to watch the co-streamers too

[fallen flame]

Today on the main halo twitch channel is rak and mark v b co stream is chimera

[vapid marten]

the chimera coat doesn't come up on all rewards for Halo Infinite atm?

[onyx latch]

You get that from co-streamers

[vapid marten]

nvm found it

[left snow]

The decision to group the lobbies on CSR was only made last season. Personally I think it's silly - but it's thought to "calm" those who are triggered by "hidden" MMRs.

The confirmation that teams are still allocated on MMR was by Tashi on twitter.

[vapid marten]

I checked all the campaign available for Halo Infinite to find them but the Chimera one didn't come up for me initially, had to refresh

[left snow]

The problem is that the population is low and/or squads. So the MM has to bring in a wider range of ranks than it would like. So it balances the teams by putting good players with bad ones.

Not great. But not a lot you can do about it. Alternatives are banning squads (of wide ranging ranks) or longer wait times.

[crystal iron]

Yea I think that's the main problem, the System is dealing for a larger population. Being on at the same time, while also prioritizing getting into matches quickly.

Who knows maybe by the end of this year the population will grow some more.

[crystal iron]

Well it's a hot day today, but I have to install a ceiling fan and blinds in one of the spare rooms... Honestly I thought about turning that room into like a Man cave gaming room but I decided it's better as a guest room

I got two laptops running twitch, watching the Halo channel and the partner channel... Maximizing my drops lol

[bleak nymph]

Decided to hop on H5 for some reason. Noticed MM times are abysmal. Might be about time to give H5 a final consolidated list of playlists.

Right now there are two different BTBs, two different Fiesta's, and 3 different 4v4 ranked playlists excluding SWAT and Elimination. I think we can basically cut BTB Super Fiesta, and turn ranked Slayer, Arena, and solo/duo que into a single Arena playlist.

Might also be worth stick SWAT and FFA in to Unranked. Leaving Arena, Doubles, and Elimination as the only Ranked playlists.

Then over in Warzone get rid of Mythic Firefight and Warlords and just keep standard Firefight and Warzone.

[left snow]

Found it. It's just a small reply by Tashi to someone's question;

https://twitter.com/swmmngbrd/status/1630927647009120257

[magic night]

Probably not going to happen. The playlists they set when Infinite launched were supposed to be the last ones.

[bleak nymph]

That's a shame. It's definitely splitting what little player base there is up far too much.

[magic night]

Unfortunate but inevitable given the game's past end of support.

[left snow]

Thinking about the CSR this morning. Is it time for 343 to abandon it?

I think it works reasonably well - providing something of a "line of best fit" for your MMR. A smoother journey, chasing your MMR, which can then be a bit more volatile and "swing" with form.

The problem is that people get hung up on this "hidden" MMR (spoiler alert, it's not that hidden). And it becomes easier to blame all your ranking woes on the two ranks "conflicting" (they don't). But hey, anything other than admitting to yourself you've hit the skill plateau.

How about replacing the CSR with your "average" MMR. The average could be over the last 15 to 20 games, with a weighting for the last 5 to 10 games. In reality it would be very similar to your CSR now - but it takes away the "mystery" of your MMR.

[magic night]

I think that would make really hurt the progression aspect of Ranked, which is one of the more powerful motivators for people to play Ranked. CSR visualizes the progression aspect well but people get hung up on the rate of change seeming unfair. Visualizing the rate of change helps, but then they no longer have a sense of proper progression.

[left snow]

The reality is that there isn't really any progression. It's all a bit artificial for seasoned players.

Your MMR is widened and your CSR chases the left hand edge. As you play consistently your curve narrows and your CSR resumes pretty much where you left off.

Besides, the average MMR would behave the same. You would still use the value of mu minus 3x sigma for your averages.

[ivory glacier]

Not that I really care but in the progression system how come I got emblems for all the bronze ranks but nothing for the silver ranks I’m completing?

[short heart]

😄

[ivory glacier]

Thank you. You really cleared that up for me

[crystal iron]

Halo 3 remake when?

We need one cause the new halo games are mid tbh

[left snow]

Nah. Infinite plays better. Least thing we want is to go backwards.

[crystal iron]

Bro halo 3 is the best halo game and it deserves a remake

[crystal iron]

Cause sweats play in social matches its annoying as hell

[crystal iron]

At least it gives the devs a original idea 😂😂😂

[left snow]

It was great.

For it's time.

[short heart]

i love sitting for 8 minutes with no teamates in ranked so i can lose 7 mmr for no reason

[wide trout]

best is subjective but I do think it deserves a remake

or remaster rather

[signal ivy]

it was remastered with MCC

[exotic vigil]

Halo 3?

[signal ivy]

yeah

[stone star]

A HD Remaster is not a Remake

They probably meant something like a Halo 3 Anniversary

[ruby knoll]

Ew no

[signal ivy]

I know. That's why I said remastered

it's also more than an HD remaster

[stone star]

How so?

[signal ivy]

added features that weren't in the base game

new armors

etc

vehicle skins, weapon skins

all things that were not in the base game

new skulls

even new gamemodes like Floodfight (at least in the case of ODST)

[undone sluice]

what is the best halo game? and why is it ODST?

Halo 3 is good and all but it doesn't need a remake or remaster

[exotic vigil]

Definitely does

The face models are awful

[undone sluice]

I'd rather 343 develop new content than reshading an old game

[signal ivy]

I think they should leave the old games alone

they've been through enough already as it is

[exotic vigil]

I’m sorry you feel that way

[undone sluice]

Halo 2 Anniversary is peak

I really do not feel like they can hit that again for Halo 3

[signal ivy]

the nostalgia is so high for H3 with a lot of people that it would never live up to expectations IMO

[undone sluice]

The legacy/bungie titles at this point should be left as is, I do like that 343 has produced new content for them but I feel like they can only do so much until they ruin the games

[undone sluice]

legit, I never got as a kid why Halo 3 was so hype when I was playing reach and then halo 4

[signal ivy]

Halo 4 will always be the best for me

[undone sluice]

I got into Halo 3 PvP on MCC a few years back and I do really enjoy the skill curve it has compared to other halo games with its sandbox

Halo 4 was/is overhated

like the artstyle is a bit jarring but it is a really unique campaign and MP experience, spartan ops are a bit lifeless but that is still a crap ton of PVE content to do post campaign

[signal ivy]

yeah there sure was a lot of Spartan Ops weren't there lol

[undone sluice]

10 episodes with 5 or so chapters each?

they should move it to the campaign section of MCC so more people know about it

[stone star]

none of that actually makes it a remaster tho

[signal ivy]

what?

Halo 3 itself was remastered

[stone star]

Those are all added things

[signal ivy]

updated resolution support

high refresh rate support

increased audio fidelity

literally a remaster

[stone star]

Yeah that's all classified under a HD Remaster

[wind sparrow]

who wants to jam some mcc? my username is my gamertag

[stone star]

Which is what I said

[signal ivy]

yes, what I was saying it it's more than a remaster

it added stuff too

saying it's just a remaster isn't fair

[undone sluice]

wasn't 360 Halo 3 also updated with the resolution and stuff too

[signal ivy]

because it's more than that

[wind sparrow]

mcc

???

[signal ivy]

no

[stone star]

I mean stuff being added is just additional content

[signal ivy]

yes, which makes it more than just a remaster

[magic night]

Can't even classify it as an HD Remaster since Halo 3 was already HD

It is a remaster though

[stone star]

True, I just use the term since there's no other term for a remaster that only ups resolution and framerate while keeping everything else the same

And additional content doesn't change the fact that it's a resolution remaster

[signal ivy]

I never said it wasn't a remaster

it's like

Remaster++

[undone sluice]

Just checked and it did get the resolution update for XB1 and XSX too

[magic night]

Remaster is a broad term

[undone sluice]

^^

[signal ivy]

in mcc though right?

[stone star]

I use the term full remaster when it's like the Anniversaries

Where it overhauls the game visually while keeping the gameplay and physics the same and whatnot

[magic night]

As long as it enhances the game in some form without changing it fundamentally, its a remaster.

If it changes the games fundamentally, its a remake.

[stone star]

Halo 3 never got that treatment though

[undone sluice]

MCC got it obv but the 360 backwards compat version did too

360 didn't get teh additional stuff though obviously, it just got the resolution updates

[magic night]

The Anniversary treatment Halo CE and 2 got aren't common occurrences, though. They're more outliers when it comes to remasters.

[undone sluice]

I think the way Halo CE and 2 had remasters were good because it didn't change the original experience but it updated them to more modern standards

[stone star]

Didn't cod get the same treatment?

[undone sluice]

I love how you can switch between old and new

I don't recall any other remaster that can do that

[magic night]

If you're talking Modern Warfare Remastered, it got a new coat of paint on the old game. It didn't really add anything new.

[stone star]

I meant didn't it get similar treatment like Halo did where they overhauled it visually

[onyx latch]

Remake yes. Change its fundamental flaws and improve it. Based and correct.

What people usually mean is a remaster.

(Literally just give it most of Infinite's mechanics)

[stone star]

No

[onyx latch]

Debased.

[undone sluice]

I like infinite but yeah nah, its core only works FOR infinite, I can see a halo 3 spin on it but it wouldn't be the same

[onyx latch]

Good

[magic night]

Yeah, Aside from those visual and audio enhancements, its practically the same. No new content.

[onyx latch]

Being the same should be the last thing you want

Of any part of the OT, 3 is the one that needs the most work to make into a playable and comprehensible experience that has its flaws rectified.

[undone sluice]

I feel like halo 3 is just a game that no matter what they would do only a minority would enjoy it

[onyx latch]

Which is why it needs a full and comprehensive retooling.

[stone star]

Yeah that's what I meant, I never even mentioned new content

[onyx latch]

New content is a must.

Someone needs to make Miranda less awful as a character after all.

Never thought the concept of proving the fact that nepotism breeds incompetence would be proven so thoroughly, but hey, Halo 3 exists.

[magic night]

Okay. I see what you're getting at now. Even so, that's one example out of all the tons of others that don't get that treatment.

[undone sluice]

Infinite needs more care than a Halo 3 remake if its the game we are meant to stick with for 10 years

[onyx latch]

Honestly? Halo 3 would need more work to be fun and popular on today's market.

And by more work I mean straight up learning how to mind control.

[stone star]

Look Halo is just done I'd say

[onyx latch]

Cringe take

[magic night]

Even if they re-released a Halo 3 Anniversary or whatever, it would fall the way of all those other remasters. Popular for a bit, then die down when something actually new shows up.

[undone sluice]

I don't think Halo is done but it needs a renewed focus

[onyx latch]

Anyone who says it's "Done" is a coward unwilling to do what must be done, which is evolve.

[undone sluice]

I wouldn't mind if we had a definative MP experience and then get like story only games

[stone star]

Or maybe we're just able to move on?

Appreciate it for what it is and leave it at that?

[undone sluice]

cause Halo has such a broad community between MP and Story/Lore

[onyx latch]

That's the same thing if you're not going to go extinct.

I'd rather enjoy the franchise for what it was and what it is than suffer as an Arena shooter with middling ability.

Even Unreal Tournament 4 did this better.

[onyx latch]

Emphasizing the latter, considering how dedicated the latter is, is likely a better move.

There's a reason why I'd outright leave the community if the lore got reset.

And I would do so with prejudice and spite.

[stone star]

Unreal Tournament isn't around much anymore though, neither is Quake or some of the other Arena shooters of old, sure you can play em by all means but they aren't that popular, Quake Champions only gets about a thousand concurrent players

[undone sluice]

The lore needs to be like properly taken care of and evaluated rn, after 5 it just feels so like confusing as to what happened and how we got to infinite

[onyx latch]

Yes, that is literally my point, congrats.

[stone star]

It's not a bad thing for a series to age past popularity

[undone sluice]

I shouldn't need to read books to know how we got to the start of Infinite

[onyx latch]

That's what happens when you concede points to people who don't actually get lore.

[stone star]

I don't see how we're cowards for believing as such

[onyx latch]

Believing that the franchise should just roll over and die is cowardice

[grim citrus]

5 had one of the best stories… that got ruined with infinite

[onyx latch]

Sarcasm, I'm sure, but based.

[undone sluice]

Like put lore in books and whatnot all you want but the games need to fill in the gaps too for casual players like my father for example

[grim citrus]

Not sarcasm. I’m dead serious

[undone sluice]

did we play the same game?

[onyx latch]

Underappreciated and kind of poorly executed, but it's not as bad as people say at all.

[undone sluice]

all I remember is how poorly it was executed

[grim citrus]

Explain.

[stone star]

never said it should roll over and die, just said it's done

[onyx latch]

Needs an extra act.

[undone sluice]

especially the marketing hyping me up for the wrong game

[stone star]

it's time in the spotlight has come and gone

[onyx latch]

I don't believe in dressing up leaving.

[undone sluice]

WE HAVE TO HUNT MASTER CHIEF UGHHHH... then at the end they so chill, no development happened

[grim citrus]

Marketing was setting up the ONI backstory.

[stone star]

jesus you're pointless

[onyx latch]

Then leave the forum and change your pfp.

[stone star]

lol no

[grim citrus]

That wasn’t the intent of the marketing.

[onyx latch]

If you're so obsessed with moving on, then move on.

[undone sluice]

the same people will come back and want it to return years later too

[onyx latch]

Instead of hanging around like the scent of roadkill skunk.

[undone sluice]

the marketing did not reflect almost anything in the game, unless you write it off as propaganda by ONI

[stone star]

pffffff

it's not wrong to move on from a series

[onyx latch]

You're right

It's not

It's wrong to hang around like a festering cancerous mass.

[undone sluice]

if you're moving on from the series then why are you still here

[stone star]

I can still hang out here if I want to

[onyx latch]

Just like cancer.

[grim citrus]

Did you listen to the podcast?

[limber atlas]

My first duo firefight, teammate leaves, i do a 4 player, find a match and my game crashes on xbox LOL

[undone sluice]

lol no, I didn't know it existed until 2018

[onyx latch]

Didn't you leave when I made fun of you for skill issue

[grim citrus]

And there you have it folks.

[onyx latch]

The fact this is so damn pervasive fills me with disgust.

[undone sluice]

Halo 5 story is just so poor, you can't fix it using external media

if we are talking about the game itself

[onyx latch]

I mean, if you meant made worse only via external advertising media made before its release, sure.

[grim citrus]

You talk about the marketing and didn’t even watch an important part of it. But then want to talk about how the marketing doesn’t reflect the game.

Make it make sense.

[undone sluice]

Alright then, the marketing was straight up misleading, I went into the game expecting what I was shown to happen and that isn't shown at all

[onyx latch]

Honestly, I've never once gotten into a game's story because of its marketing alone.

After Halo 2.

[grim citrus]

You already admitted that you didn’t watch the importance aspects of it, but you’re saying it’s misleading? Lol

[stone star]

I don't even look at game marketing

[onyx latch]

Halo 2 taught me you can't trust advertising.

thought I was fighting for Earth, what a load.

[undone sluice]

I am talking from a consumer standpoint now, like so many of my friends and I were so confused by what happened

[grim citrus]

Lmao

[onyx latch]

Honestly, I feel like more people need to have a better education.

[undone sluice]

a 13 year old isn't going to listen to a podcast to find out why the trailers were misleading

[grim citrus]

This is hilarious.

[onyx latch]

13 year olds are idiots.

Yes, this is well established.

[exotic vigil]

They were also the target demographic for 5

[onyx latch]

Lmao

[stone star]

and Infinite

[grim citrus]

That’s like me saying the Big Mac is a horrible burger and then when asked if you ate it before and I say no

[onyx latch]

Lol even

[exotic vigil]

T for teen

[onyx latch]

B for Bean

[exotic vigil]

Broader audience lol

[onyx latch]

I can spam random buzzwords too.

[stone star]

Microsoft does want the series accessible for teens as well though

[onyx latch]

"T for Teen" is such a damn convenient scapegoat, isn't it? It's not as though 11 year old Trenchbird didn't argue that ad nauseam for Halo 1-3.

[stone star]

I mean teens play whatever regardless

[onyx latch]

You're kidding yourself for your own argument if you think that matters.

[stone star]

12 year olds filled MW2 back in the day

[onyx latch]

How convenient it is that people forget this, huh.

[stone star]

the reason for the change is more for image rather than anything

[exotic vigil]

Yeah but it was rated M because they werent aiming to get the fortnite audience

[onyx latch]

Riiiiight.

[exotic vigil]

Just 343 chasing trends

[onyx latch]

How many i's is it to display sarcasm?

5 is proper, yes?

[stone star]

rather than say "not recommended for younger than 17" they decided it would look better to consumers and investors if they had it look friendly enough for younger audiences

[exotic vigil]

Yeah so its been toned down for younger audiences

[onyx latch]

Tinfoil

ESRB's rating level has relaxed as time has gone on.

[grim citrus]

Did bungie chase trends when they abandoned healthpacks? With 2 and 3?

[onyx latch]

This is known.

[stone star]

they set trends iirc

[exotic vigil]

And yet 343 still chases the T rating

[onyx latch]

Set my tailbone.

[stone star]

I think Halo 2's health regen was a trend setter not a follower

[onyx latch]

They copied.

[exotic vigil]

Yeah and they went back to health packs in ODST and Reach

[onyx latch]

Regenerating to a set health level was a well known modifier for games.

[grim citrus]

It wasn’t, but okay lol

[stone star]

well then tell me what was

[onyx latch]

PunchOut, 1983.

It's not a novel concept to heal by not continuing to take punches to the face.

[stone star]

that was like, pre doom tho

[onyx latch]

And? So?

[undone sluice]

typical discord conversation

[exotic vigil]

Real

[undone sluice]

time to peace out for a bit

[stone star]

so Doom and FPS games in the 90's didn't have health regen, that came about in early 2000's?

[onyx latch]

It didn't.

[stone star]

was there a game that directly influenced Halo 2's health regen?

[onyx latch]

Faceball 2000, Wolverine Admantium Rage. Halo was popular for taking a menagerie of health regen.

[nova shell]

For some reason the old plasma pistol design feels weird

[onyx latch]

I'll pretend you didn't ask such a stupid question for your benefit.

[stone star]

mind you I say health regen not armour regen

[onyx latch]

Because I'd rather not insult Bungie's Halo 2 dev team for reading writing on the wall.

[exotic vigil]

How do you mean

[onyx latch]

And assuming they were dumb, daft, and blind.

[undone sluice]

bruh no need to go at his throat damn, what happened to civil conversation

[stone star]

why do I feel like I'm talking to an angry redditor talking to you

[nova shell]

I guess im just used to reach's/4's design

[onyx latch]

Because you're on Reddit too much, Redditor.

[exotic vigil]

It does look like a big purple magnet lol

[stone star]

I don't even use reddit

[undone sluice]

sit down and have a civil conversation without insulting or being aggressive challenge (impossible)

[onyx latch]

Don't be afraid, I just use punctuation.

[exotic vigil]

Because hes kind of a shill

[stone star]

ikr

[onyx latch]

There it is.

Someone was gonna break eventually.

[grim citrus]

I’m still stuck on the guy that said the marketing was misleading lol

[exotic vigil]

It was

[stone star]

was that your goal? make us pissed at you?

[exotic vigil]

Yes thats the shill way

[grim citrus]

What made it misleading

[onyx latch]

Just leave.

[exotic vigil]

No

[onyx latch]

The fact you descend to that garbage is just so apparently garbage.

Like, there's not even a better word for it.

[undone sluice]

bro thinks he's king of the castle

[exotic vigil]

He is the prime discord user

All must bow before his shilling might

[onyx latch]

Oh hell no, I've been muted and even banned from this chat before.

I just don't like misinfo.

[exotic vigil]

There wasnt really any two sides to the story like implied and chief didnt betray the unsc like it was implied he just kind of left and then osiris chased him and they had a lame fight and it was over

[onyx latch]

You betray by going AWOL.

[exotic vigil]

It was implied to be more drastic

[grim citrus]

Lmao let him cook

[onyx latch]

Mmkay.

[undone sluice]

they kissed and made up so quickly

[exotic vigil]

And it really wasnt anything thay came about from it

[grim citrus]

Correct. There wasn’t two sides. There was three sides.

[exotic vigil]

It was really underwhelming to many many people

[onyx latch]

"Underwhelming"

[grim citrus]

Ad populum fallacy

[exotic vigil]

Dude

[onyx latch]

Seems more to me like it was overwhelming considering how many heads it went over.

[crystal iron]

Im gone for 20 minutes

[stone star]

I heard somewhere that the plot points that the marketing teams got were not the ones used in the game, or at least not to the extent of the ones the marketing got

[undone sluice]

I get the whole "hunt the truth" thing but like that only works now with context I feel. Most people watch trailers/marketing to get a feel for the game and see what they are going to be buying, not this whole like storyline branching between podcasts, trailers, the actual game etc

[crystal iron]

This happens

[crystal iron]

343 are scam artists

[exotic vigil]

That would explain a lot

[onyx latch]

You talked about 5 in a world where halo2sucks.com no longer exists. It kinda comes with the territory.

[onyx latch]

Cringe.

[grim citrus]

Clearly. Gone are the days of big green man goes pew pew pew and saves the universe

[crystal iron]

Lmao 343 meat rider

[undone sluice]

Like its clear here I am talking to Halo fans not people, not saying that in a bad way but you are only speaking from a direct fan perspective

[stone star]

wdym I love Doom

[onyx latch]

@rugged quartz

Just looking for moderator action.

[crystal iron]

🤓

[exotic vigil]

Lmao

[exotic vigil]

Crying to the mods

What a loser

[crystal iron]

Whats up dude havnt talked to u in a bit

[grim citrus]

No mod action. This is actually getting good

[crystal iron]

Based?

[exotic vigil]

Just the average techbird cringe

[stone star]

I mean I think you'd be a bit in trouble from the mods with how you've conducted yourself

[crystal iron]

Bro i was gone for 20 mins

Just cause i said we need Halo 3 remake

[exotic vigil]

Lot of cringe can happen in 20 minutes

[crystal iron]

Espacially here

[exotic vigil]

I think it was the activation room or something

[undone sluice]

can we just appreciate how good ODST is lmao

[exotic vigil]

Learned something new

[crystal iron]

Yes

[grim citrus]

It’s not a storyline. It’s equivalent to what the fall of reach did for CE. it added context to characters that was not explained in the games.

[crystal iron]

...

[exotic vigil]

I love homework for my video games

[grim citrus]

Big green man goes pew pew pew is good in your books

[onyx latch]

I usually just swear a lot. I don't insult people besides calling them out on their errors.

[crystal iron]

Yeah

[grim citrus]

Imagine being given added halo lore and saying it’s homework

[onyx latch]

The ban I got was from a leak.

[exotic vigil]

He does a lot of stretching in his free time

Some light rock climbing

[onyx latch]

Okay, I guess Pins is offline entirely and lying.

[grim citrus]

You guys halo fans or big green man fans

[crystal iron]

Xbox 360 enjoyers

[exotic vigil]

Metal is just fancy rock

[grim citrus]

Even better

[cedar spoke]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HaloStory/comments/iijbvo/how_does_gravemind_just_appear_in_the_level_the/
solid theorys in here

[onyx latch]

I only have a Halo 4 X360 at this point.

[onyx latch]

Reddit

Halostory

[undone sluice]

not all halo fans need to consume every piece of media

[onyx latch]

I don't eat enough paste for this.

[crystal iron]

Wow you simp for 343 that much 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[stone star]

railmage fans

[exotic vigil]

Youre begging for mod assistance in the halo discord bro

[onyx latch]

For the love of god, can an actual damn moderator wake up.

[stone star]

that was a hexen reference btw

[crystal iron]

🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓

[onyx latch]

@lime robin You up?

[grim citrus]

And halo fans that don’t consume media should not try to make claims about games being misleading

[undone sluice]

sorry I am not a destiny fan because I don't read the hundreds of lore tabs on cards armor and weapons, i must only be a space wizard tank fan

[onyx latch]

Guess not.

[crystal iron]

Stop meatriding the mods bro

[onyx latch]

@wanton iron

How bout you?

[crystal iron]

Bluds pining mods 🤓🤓🤓🤓

[undone sluice]

sorry that the games are the primary piece of media

[grim citrus]

You’re really not helping your case.

[crystal iron]

Based jswid

[exotic vigil]

Youre so cool!

[undone sluice]

yeah I am just gonna stop feeding this, idc if I am right or wrong its clear I am talking to a brick wall

[crystal iron]

Bro i hate the mcc armors

[grim citrus]

You’re wrong. End of discussion.

[crystal iron]

They suck so much

[grim citrus]

Thanks for coming out!

[onyx latch]

Nah, I'm just outright getting insulted.

[exotic vigil]

Oh man you sure showed him

[undone sluice]

HOW AM I EVER GOING TO RECOVER!

[onyx latch]

There's a difference between getting called someone who participates in homosexual acts and an actual conversation. I'd rather the latter.

[exotic vigil]

You won that discord argument so hard dude

[crystal iron]

Based sluger?

[crystal iron]

🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓

[exotic vigil]

Literally cant might as well leave the server

[crystal iron]

Bro its discord

[exotic vigil]

Whats wrong with being gay?

[undone sluice]

yeah man, forget playing BTB on LFG here now

[onyx latch]

Will say a literal cartoon pig is a fitting pfp at any rate.

[exotic vigil]

Can we get a mod to address this homophobia from techbird

[onyx latch]

Half the reason I'm confused because I am gay.

[exotic vigil]

Self hatred

Sad to see

[onyx latch]

But I have an issue with being told I do gay things like it's negative like it's clearly intended to be.

[grim citrus]

This was an argument? I thought it was just me exposing those that make nonsensical claims about marketing being misleading.

[crystal iron]

Ok and yours is armor from a trash game that you meatride from

[cedar spoke]

🍿

[exotic vigil]

It was misleading and youre a dummy head so

[crystal iron]

Fr

[exotic vigil]

Argument over you lose

[crystal iron]

Nah i think hes homo

[grim citrus]

Misleading to those that like big green man halo

[wanton root]

discussion about halo 5 marketting turned into pettiness and playground insults

[exotic vigil]

Missiom accomplished

[undone sluice]

least entitled halo fan

[onyx latch]

Okay, I guess, mods are asleep, literally.

[grim citrus]

All would’ve turned out differently if they just said “really? Maybe I should look into it” instead “… well I’m sticking with my opinion even if it’s wrong”

[exotic vigil]

“Opinion is wrong” lol

[stone star]

wrong opinions are subjective

[undone sluice]

I didn't say I wasn't going to check it out, or stick my feet into the ground etc
lol 1 minute slow mode

[exotic vigil]

Literally dont owe shills an explaination for your subjective opinions

[near blade]

https://tenor.com/view/movingroght-along-movingrightalong-muppets-anyway-gif-17971671

[stone star]

egg

[undone sluice]

I though the destiny community were bad for shilling but here we are, I guess I never properly interacted with this community outside of actually playing

[exotic vigil]

Banger song

[sullen kiln]

Please do not tag Admins or Moderators unless immediate action is needed. If you see anything that does not abide by our rules and guidelines, please tag a Moderator to bring it to their attention.

[stone star]

just like George Orwells Book 1984

[grim citrus]

Wrong opinions are wrong if you clearly demonstrate that they are wrong.

[cedar spoke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BP4N8xXVIt8

[stone star]

yeah but the guy said the marketing was misleading, which is a subjective opinion for them by how they personally found the marketing misleading and you're here telling them how they felt is wrong

[undone sluice]

that is a good way to put it thank you

[grim citrus]

The guy also said he didn’t invest in all of the marketing which makes his opinion of it being misleading wrong. Why is that so hard to understand?

[stone star]

if you didn't find it misleading great, but they did so I don't understand why there's such a thing as a wrong opinion in this instance

[grim citrus]

Because if you are not fully versed in someone and make a claim about that subject, it is a wrong opinion.

I had a discussion with someone that said Miranda is not the daughter of Halsey and he was completely certain with himself without having any knowledge on Miranda. His opinion was wrong.

[stone star]

that wouldn't have been an opinion though that would have just been factually incorrect

[grim citrus]

It’s the same context. If he said he personally didn’t understand it? That’s one thing, but for him to say it’s misleading is another.

[stone star]

an opinion is a viewpoint, if that guy had said "I don't think Miranda should be Halsey's daughter" then that's an opinion

[undone sluice]

in all fairness you missed MY point and what stance I was coming from, I was wrong in the instance of your POV but I feel like there is some merit to my point from a comsumer standpoint, not a "halo fan" standpoint like yours. I have seen plenty of piece of content, videos and articles talking about how it was misleading to the wider audience etc

[grim citrus]

And there’s a lot of people that say the opposite. Which is the correct stance?

[undone sluice]

I don't think there really is a correct stance, its subjective just for the fact that the more invested fans are going to understand why it was directed the way it was while the more casual audiences are going to consume it differently

[pliant palm]

are y'all gonna behave now? can i put slowmode back?

[wanton root]

it was gone?

Oh, I see

[grim citrus]

There is a correct stance. To say that there isn’t is just not correct.

[pliant palm]

the only correct stance is the Supermodel one

[undone sluice]

okayyyy, I understand then, have a good one bro

[pliant palm]

i will not be taking questions

SUPERMODEL

[wanton root]

hard disagree, Victory shout's better

[pliant palm]

not a bad one

i just like getting into a lobby looking like this and then everyone else is in hardcore mode

it makes me giggle

[wanton root]

stand out from the crowd

[onyx latch]

Juice is such a weird visor to me.

Like, it's a standout but it looks more purple until you zoom out really far.

I use it for my 'soft Emile' armor.

I'm glad we have a cadet pink now, so I can use something for 'soft emile' for the time being.

Speaking of pink visors, whatever happened to Anderson Nights?

The triangle and purple visor.

[ruby knoll]

halo fans are so special they don't know that Halo has always been a PEGI16 game. Halo was always considered the baby game compared to CoD because it's a game about shiny colorful power rangers playing with laserguns

oh gdi discord failed to autoscroll

[onyx latch]

Eh.

It's a long standing grievance on my part to talk about. Because I remember a time where saying Halo was reported as the least M game of M games.

It's literally an argument I had seen repeated ad nauseam and even used.

[ruby knoll]

not to mention the ESRB is basically the industry covering themselves from angry and clueless parents. One shouldn't care about the rating from that board

not to mention it's the most baby little 5th grader thing to be all like "wOW gUiZE i PlAy M rAyTeD gaEmz Im sO mAtuRe"

thinking the veneer of maturity is a substitute for actual maturity is the pinnacle of childishness

[onyx latch]

Is that why people like Emile?

[ruby knoll]

yes

[nova shell]

Does anyone know why the 117 on chief's armour is so inconsistent

[wide trout]

define inconsistent

[nova shell]

Sometimes the 117 is on his armour other times it's just nowhere to be seen

[wide trout]

in Infinite specifically or in Halo as a whole?

[nova shell]

Halo as a whole

[wide trout]

ok that’s what I thought

He has different armour in most installments

[nova shell]

Another question

[wide trout]

different armour has different paint jobs and i’m not sure there’s a standard amongst MJOLNIR paint jobs and recognition things

especially with UNSC’s IFF system

[nova shell]

Why does the shade of green change between halo 3 and 4

[onyx latch]

Same reason the armor did

[wide trout]

✨ nanomachines ✨

[onyx latch]

Livery changes were in vogue that year.

I think a tan, teal and black stripework would've been better personally

[nova shell]

I kinda do like the halo 4 design tho

[lime robin]

I was not. I have visitors over and only now have I caught a moment for myself.

[brisk bolt]

Halo flood are forklift certified

[maiden comet]

im glad they added levels like in reach so when i rank up it can bug and not let me see anything else or change screens

[wanton root]

when creating a navmesh in forge, the game thinks the water plane is something bots can walk on as well?

[honest kettle]

Bungie never put the 117 on his armor in any of their games. Having the 117 on his armor is more of a 343 thing.

[stone star]

It was on his armour on the cover art of books initially

[crystal iron]

I thought of a new armor equipment/item, and I got from a dream just now. It would probably help within infection. It's just an idea, if no one likes I can just take it elsewhere.

I may just keep it to myself.

Share it if you want. Might be interesting

I was thinking it not only be annoying for the infected but it would give survivors a better chance at living through rounds.

I call it 'Repel Jell'.

It's an equipment that's a lubricant that causes enemies to physically bounce off the surviving player. It being a 25% chance for the Jell to work if the zombie got to close and didn't attack properly, pushing them backwards about 10 feet. It could possibly be triggered from Mellee.

I thought it could be a new equipment piece for infinite later on in a new update.

It also has something to do with friction of the armor.

I dunno it's just something I experienced seeing in my dream just while ago, asleep.

[tired hazel]

Is there ever gonna be an option to cap the Master Chief Collection to 30 Frames Per Second without the need of external software? For both PC and Console?

[slow walrus]

right click your desktop > display settings > change your monitor's refresh rate to 30Hz

or force half VSync under Nvidia control panel

[tired hazel]

You can't do that on console...

[slow walrus]

buy a TV that only outputs at 30Hz?

[crystal iron]

Why would you want to limit frame rate to 30?

[slow walrus]

could try this too
https://youtu.be/FGyR61AhQXY

[tired hazel]

Because that's the frame rate that the games on Original Xbox and Xbox 360 were at and I want to play my Halo exactly as I remember it.

I could just stick to the original versions, but there's no online.

Outside of Customs for 3 and Reach and I ain't gonna find anybody for those.

[crystal iron]

Then go buy original versions of games or instead play in a better quality aka higher frame rate.

?

[tired hazel]

That's about as useful as a brick wall...

[crystal iron]

Ok?

[slow walrus]

There's never going to be an option to gimp the framerate dude

[tired hazel]

I don't see what's so wrong with wanting to play the Master Chief Collection just like the original versions.

[slow walrus]

at some point you just gotta play with the cards you've been delt

[crystal iron]

I just don’t see any point in downgrading your game lol

[tired hazel]

It's not downgrading if it would be identical to the version that I love.

[misty vale]

If you're playing an online shooter at 30 fps you're just flatly making your aim worse

[tired hazel]

That's besides the point though...

[crystal iron]

If game have 120fps on console always and you want to have 30fps then yes, it is downgrading

[tired hazel]

Well, I don't want to adapt to higher framerates and then end up hating the original versions for having lower ones.

[crystal iron]

Lol

[misty vale]

what why would you hate an older game

because it didn't have better framerate

[crystal iron]

Exactly lol

It doesn’t make sense

[misty vale]

now I'm confused I really feel like you're just tryin to be joe cool mr 30 fps classic vintage but that plan is awful so now you've pivoted to just not making sense

[tired hazel]

Because playing at higher framerates in first person games makes me feel nauseous. I've grown up with these games on the 360 where it was normal for them to be at 30. And I don't really want to invest my time into ultra smooth motion and then hinder my own performance because of it.

[crystal iron]

Lmao

[tired hazel]

:/

[slow walrus]

well I've given you four good suggestions on how to get what you want

if they aren't good enough for you then continuing to complain isn't going to change anything

[misty vale]

you've gotten us chortlin at ya over here buddy

set your monitor RR to 30 and then put in vsync

it's a crazy plan but you have fun doin it

but just an fyi "High fps makes me more nauseous" is like sayin water makin me thirsty

it doesn't check out

[crystal iron]

Yeah

[tired hazel]

Good for you. I'm glad that you're able to play these games at ultra smooth motions... I, however, can not.

[slow walrus]

I'd suggest lowering your stick sensitivity then

[misty vale]

have fun with it brotha

[crystal iron]

Lol

[misty vale]

play some halo infinite I'd love to play vs. someone who is at 30 fps

[tired hazel]

That is nothing at all to do with framerates... Not a single bit...

[crystal iron]

Lmao

[misty vale]

ok what universe are you from

now I'm intriguedd

did Dr. Strange bring you over from down is up land

[crystal iron]

Bro you made my day lmao

[tired hazel]

When was it ever wrong to want to play a game in 30 FPS?

[misty vale]

IF you get nauseous from smooth graphics, it's ALMOST ALWAYS because you're scanning too quickly

yes, it's wrong! There's NO upside

it 1) looks worse 2) plays worse 3) makes you worse at the game

[crystal iron]

It’s not about wanting to play at 30fps. It’s about your arguments

[misty vale]

but if it's what you wanna do, that's your entire reason

just say "it's what I want" and stop tryin to give us justifications

because your justies are omegaluls

[slow walrus]

you're the one saying you get motion sick 🤷‍♂️

[tired hazel]

Then why are you guys asking for justifications?

[misty vale]

because we're confused bc 1,2,3

[slow walrus]

here's yet another option, buy an HDMI splitter that only outputs at 30hz

[misty vale]

it's like saying "I wanna take the tires on my car and replace them with bricks so that I live the flintstones"

and us being like "huh"

and you being like "the smooth motion of tires makes me sick"

it's particularly strange

[tired hazel]

All those 3 points are more of a You problem than a Me problem...

[crystal iron]

😐

[misty vale]

no those reasons I think are just math

[tired hazel]

No, it's called personal preferences.

[slow walrus]

the same sensitivity setting at 30fps is going to feel twice as fast at 60fps

[misty vale]

https://youtu.be/Qb9q1PI7ntU?t=85

This isn't the video I thought it was there's one where they look at hitboxes

[crystal iron]

Reality is that higher frame rate looks and plays better and in this way might even improve your performance

[crystal iron]

Lmao

[tired hazel]

Okay, but I just want to play at 30.

[misty vale]

There ya go, a valid reason

it's what you want!

set your monitor to 30hz and turn on vsync

[crystal iron]

No one’s stopping you lol. Just your points didn’t make sense

[tired hazel]

I feel like that was extremely obvious... Given the fact that... Well... I asked about it...

[misty vale]

it's still confusing

because it, in a mechanical way, makes you a worse player

and you want online

[wanton root]

you're able to set max fps, so you can just set it to 30

lowest you can set is 24fps

[misty vale]

plus you can get a CRT for cheap these days

[crystal iron]

True retro halo experience from old days

Lol

[tired hazel]

I never played Halo on a CRT.

[wanton root]

there's no need to change refresh rates on your monitor, the game is able to do it for you in the settings anyways

[tired hazel]

We're talking about the Master Chief Collection. Not Infinite. And the lowest it says is 60.

[wanton root]

oh that

[crystal iron]

Oh well

[tired hazel]

Then again, I don't even know what Infinite's settings say.

I haven't played Infinite since it came out.

[misty vale]

Sony KD-34XBR960 is what you want

[wanton root]

well a reason for 30 fps I can come up with only applies to halo 2, tricks like sword flying are way easier

[tired hazel]

Just looked it up, and I think that TV actually looks pretty nice.

[misty vale]

it is the GOAT for old gaming

NES SNES N64 PS1-2 Genesis Saturn Wii imo not a better screen exists to play those systems on

it weighs nearly 200lb for a 34 inch screen

[tired hazel]

Does that TV exist in the PAL region?

[misty vale]

Sony KD-34XBR960N

maybe?

dunno!

[crystal iron]

Search it in internet and check if it’s available in your country’s stores🤷‍♂️