wildly weak ng m1 and inconsistent vet lock

[somber lantern]

The NG M1 is almost universally considered a weak unit. Compared to every single ng m60 it is vetlocked, and as a nearly twice as expensive vehicle benefits much less from the fixed 5-10 point cost reduction from reservist while suffering the same issues. In addition, despite the high 6 base avail on the regular m1, the NG m1 doesnt gain any. To reduce the extreme inconsistency shown here it should gain a 7/5 vet curve as this would fix an extremely weak unit. The base m1s arent good at all and do not fit the meta, making a signifigantly worse version of a tank thats often TWO VET vet locked absolutely makes it feel worthless. In addition the 105 abrams deserve a general look over for possible cost reduction or pen increase to 18. They play like fat medium tanks with the same pen as 130 point mediums with speed (somewhat situational) and acc being their only real advantage.

a general look at ng cost reduction would also be nice. universal 5-10 points for a drop in acc and vet lock that has a proportional effect on the unit is incredibly annoying for the few divisions that do get expensive non artillery reservist units (artillery ofc shouldnt have cost reduction!!! it has no meaningful effect on the unit!)

meanwhile the ng m109 is getting a 20 point cost reduction that no longer affects it at all lmao

[warped forge]

Its now 20pts cheaper

[somber lantern]

oh wow thats amazing i missed the latest patch

it still needs an actual vet curve tho

[brave thorn]

Missing the point for the trees once again. It does not need price buff. It NEEDS vet 1 capability!

[fallen phoenix]

They should be more capable. Will make a post about it soon

[somber lantern]

right also ng fireteams need to be 10/7 again reflecting like every other reservist unit in the game. two cards of ng fire team leader. the div is just super expensive in slot cost overall so an extra 1 pt slot in airtab would be amazing. no one thinks it’s a particularly good div afaik

[shy valve]

The fact that 24th is the only div that has to contend with this nonsense is really quite ridiculous after all these years. Not really sure what strike team sees in it that requires half the unique units in the division to be rendered utterly useless.

[rancid dirge]

It's because its NG attachment was deemed so badly trained that they weren't even deployed to the Gulf War. Afaik that's Eugen's logic here, and I don't think that's an issue. It makes the div more unique, and considering you get a fantastic IFV with it, it really isn't a big issue imo.

[somber lantern]

as opposed to every other ng unit in the game that was deployed to the gulf?

and no, it doesn’t make up for it. the div would be unique if it just had its unique units and they weren’t nerfed to shit

[fallen phoenix]

The NG’s performance in combat proved to be essentially equivalent to active duty units

It’s an unfortunate historical myth that NG units are markedly worse jn combat than their active duty counterparts, partially arising from a false equivalency between the US NG and other countries reservists

(This is not helped by a tendency for former NG to disparage their branch with embarrassing vignettes, who aren’t aware of the major capability, training, and funding gulf between them and European reservists)

[brave thorn]

Calling N.G. M2 fantastic is really something

[somber lantern]

its the best food in the game for medium tanks

[prime temple]

48th was the best trained NG unit. In fact they were the first to receive M1A1s and actually qualified for desert storm deployment. In general the US N.G. was the best equipped and probably best trained reserve force in the world (and still is). If the NG gets put down for being low quality Kda should rout at the first shot.

[stark aurora]

They got stuck at NTC to be guinea pigs on how to clear and assault defenses and test chemical gear/tactics

[rancid dirge]

You know that KDA gets double-nerfed, right?

[prime temple]

Yea basically

I read some vets accounts. They drew IPM1s too

[prime temple]

Yea and in comparison to NG that is generous is my point.

[vale quail]

kda is like vet locked and have militia like the better comparison is like Natres getting double vet etc

NG in 24th is weird cause there’s a lot of other NG that can get up-vetted in other mixed us divs and you arguably get the stuff that stuffers the most from being -1 vet (ifvs and tanks). Like if vet 0 wasn’t horrible for suppression sake the ng M1s would be usable. I would rather see a 0 vet fix and the ng brads getting the ability to be 1 vet then just giving it all the ability to be 1 vet and call it a day.

[fallen phoenix]

All NG units should be non-reservist, but locked at 1 vet

[brave thorn]

They might aswell not exist then

[somber lantern]

literally just let us upvet the m1 and make 10/7 ng fireteams lmao

[jaunty kayak]

Yeah I think the best way to represent N.G. in WARNO is to allow them a full vet curve but with the reservist trait.

[knotty warren]

Mixture of green ng with prior service veterans?