New WARNO Roadmap

[old marsh]

Hello all!

It's high time we took a look at what’s coming next for WARNO. In today’s DevBlog, we present a fresh new roadmap of all the good things WARNO coming your way for the foreseeable future.

If you have any questions about the Roadmap, please reach out, we’re here to help and eager to hear your feedback.

https://steamcommunity.com/games/1611600/announcements/detail/807959368541667351

[summer sparrow]

Please remove the AI generated content entirely from the game. I really want to get these DLCs, but I will not so long as this remains

[marble hound]

With this devblog and yes I have read it all it seems that the singleplayer portion of the game is getting shafted in order to produce more divisions for the multiplayer crowd. None of these DLCs have any value to the solo players. The only way to make use of the content outside of skirmish is to mod the existing AGs but that is a bit too tedious. Is it not possible to provide at least 1 AG to the tribute DLCs ,so that the solo players can enjoy them outside of skirmish? Are there any plans to have for example an AG editor in the future given that the majority of the player base is solo? The AG mode has been left without any updates or improvements for some time and these news do not inspire confidence for the future of this game mode since the plans for the future can easily change.

[wispy sorrel]

Can you give us a clue about the elusive 5th nation @old marsh ?

[pale peak]

Read DevBlog to the end, there will be bigger dlc’s with AG and new terrain. That is why there are no major nations mentioned like Sweden, Yugoslavia, Italy, etc…

[rigid plover]

im wondering what the deadline is of all of this?

[mint comet]

https://tenor.com/view/soon-gif-19121692

[marble hound]

As I said in my first sentence I have read it all. There are no guarantees that those new Army Generals will materialise. All the new content that Eugen will be adding for the next year although interesting it will be next to useless for the Solo Players since we can play those divisions only in skirmish.

[spark slate]

I can play the new divs in MP with you if you wish 🙂

[rigid plover]

but they literally say that they're first working on divisions and such and then they will get new terrains and SP + AG missions

[mint comet]

@old marsh Would you ever consider having a linear Army General like the campaigns in European Escalation and SD ‘44?

[sand crown]

will we got BlackBird before GTA 6 ?

[thorn plover]

No they explained on top that different team members work on different things.
Both are worked upon on the same time.
AG was the main reason for the big delay of Southag (and the smaller delay of Northag).
They can work on AG improvements and new Systems and Campaigns in the background whilst keeping the front end running with the new divisions.

[rigid plover]

oh yeah that ofcourse, but their main focus is on new division if im correct? and then they will make new AGs when these divs and maps(?) are finished?

[marble hound]

All those new divisions are pointless to a portion of the player base that does not play multiplayer.

[thorn plover]

Sure but letting all MP players wait again for 6 Months just so that a dlc get both MP and SP content aint really solving this... just means you make MP players suffer too.

[rigid plover]

this feels fine for me as an AG main, i can just play the new divisions in skirmish against AI or friends while i wait for new AG, and even then i have most of the AGs to play on both redfor and blufor

[thorn plover]

As they said in the dev blog, work on the next AG projects already is being worked on, its not like they stopped working on it, but it will take its time. So filling that time with the easier to produce content from other team members is a good way to keep WARNO relevant, without the time pressure that the AG Delays created on Southag etc. before.

[livid python]

will there be season pass for these DLCs like northag/southag?

[sand crown]

they be adding SP 10v10 and improve AI in the future maybe ?

[frosty laurel]

Very cool! Hope to see Yugoslavia among the new nations

[jolly spoke]

I do hope that we will get more ability to mod army general in the mean time

[minor swallow]

I got to say it's a smart move to launch more divs on a specific context and make the relevant AG in parallels, it makes everyone happy I guess.

[rigid plover]

and in technicality saves time by working on both instead of having to delay one to work on the other

[terse widget]

If they do, I wont buy any Eugengames because they folded for a bunch of backwardsstrugglers.

[ivory cobalt]

is the marine dlc going to be free or paid?

[spark slate]

Everything in that blog is a paid DLC. Although it doesn’t prevent them from dropping 2-4 surprise divisions like we saw with DIVMOD AND CLKA. We can hope

[ivory cobalt]

thats unfortunate because we havent gotten any good free content in a long time

[spark slate]

You got all the reinforcement packs 😮

[coral berry]

As a swiss man i'm really looking forward to the swiss forces finally being portrayed in a game
i'd even offer to record some voice lines in proper swiss german for the devs
I don't want another situation where a swiss character gets voiced by a german (i'm looking at you Overwatch)

[eternal bluff]

Are you planning on releasing a operation and/or army general campaign for landjut later? Fx the recon that was supposed to hold Lübeck for the operation or something similar?

[cedar mountain]

I feel like there are way more standard divisions stationed in central and northern germany that have massive potential before moving on to whole other nations :/

[ivory cobalt]

I meant good free divisions, not reservists

[clear widget]

well for the black bird the guy with the helm either Albanian or Yugo for the one below him definite Hungarian paratrooper even has a AMD 65 so defiantly a strong inf. possibility

[versed tree]

I think NATO forces in LANDJUT will be the:

• Jutland Division (Denmark)
• 6th Panzergrenadier Division (Germany)
• Allied Forces Zealand (Denmark) with the British 1st Brigade reinforcing (potentially)
• 2nd Marine Division (United States)

[unkempt linden]

Okay uh

Now that black birds is a thing I really do wonder rn

Will Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania ever be added to the game??

[blazing dagger]

Hungary is already in the cover art, the soldier with an AMD-65

As for the rest, only time will tell, but I'd expect them to show up at some point

[spice helm]

In the photo that the developers released for their LANDJUT , I only see the Soviet Marines, who were driven over from Vladivostok (because in my memory, modified T-55s were kept in Vladivostok bases after the deterioration of relations with China), the French Marines, and the American Marines. As for other European countries, there is no evidence for this in the picture.

[wispy sorrel]

There is a Danish F-35 Draken in the photo

[old marsh]

No sorry, you'll have to wait for the Devblog which will reveal more. Madmat gave a few hints, but I think no one has figured it out yet.

[old marsh]

I don’t think so, but the next AGs will be different. For now, I can’t say much more, as explained in the Devblog.

[old marsh]

Hmm, that’s possible

[spice helm]

oh yeah, u are right. My shitass brain thought it was rafale, so no french but danish troops

[wispy sorrel]

Well if the title is Blackbirds and non aligned, I’ll go on a wild limb and go for this (best I could come on with)

[velvet rune]

Someone on Chinese forum made a wild guess that the fifth nation will be some Chinese expeditionary force coming to Europe to help their "Albanian Brothers"

[wispy sorrel]

My logic is: Cypriot National Guard has a black bird on it’s crest, is non aligned, antagonistic towards Turkey and embargoed by US and UK, has a mix of equipment from Soviet Union, France and Brazil to name a few, and despite no air force can get air assets from Soviets in Syria through the ‘advisors’

[sand crown]

Shit that make sense , could use some T69 meat wave , where exactly do you seen it ?

[sand crown]

Communist Albania is both no aligned and has black bird at the same time aren't they ?

[wispy sorrel]

Albania, Austria, Swiss and Hungarians are confirmed in the teaser image, I am betting on Cyprus for the reasons above

[hearty thorn]

I ll put my bet on Greece

[wispy sorrel]

Nah Greece is firmly in NATO so is disqualified by the statement 5 new nations historically outside of either NATO or the Warsaw Pact, or otherwise very reluctantly in it

[hearty thorn]

So, I could say reluctant Greece:;they even withdrew from NATO military command from 1974 to 1980: "With NATO taking a hands-off approach, their refusal to intervene was seen as a complete betrayal, effectively handing Cyprus to Turkey and showing apparent favouritism, which has had a lingering effect, permanently tarnishing NATO’s reputation and popularity in Greece to this day.

As a direct result, Greece withdrew from NATO’s military command structure in August of 1974, meaning they would maintain political ties and contributions but no longer be militarily involved. During this time, Greece, under Prime Minister Constantine Karamanlis, improved diplomatic and political relations with Eastern bloc countries, including the USSR, with deals being made on the supply of soviet oil and gas.

Greece moved towards a more independent style of foreign policy, not influenced by NATO, with a focus on peaceful coexistence. Karamanlis even visited Moscow in 1979. The purpose of this foreign policy approach was to grant Greece greater strategic leverage, showing NATO that Greece had other options if NATO support fell short.

Greece eventually rejoined the NATO military command structure in 1980. However, not all tensions disappeared. Karamanlis threatened a complete withdrawal from NATO in the same year if issues over Greece’s operational control in the Aegean Sea were not resolved."

But, I agree, it could be Cyprus as well, both have 2 very black birds in army emblem 😄

[sand crown]

as an Soviet Naval Infantry im also super excited

[livid python]

@old marsh will there be a season pass like for southag/northag ?

[grave vector]

First I want to say that I love the level of communication the road map provides and I'm glad to see Eugene eager to show that there's still years of support in WARNO planned.

However...

No pasta boys in that entire line up is crazy, we're even getting non NATO/PACT forces before LANDSOUTH

[coral berry]

Yeah, if the add yugoslavia, then they should also add Italy

[ivory cobalt]

we know why yugo is being added

[coral berry]

why is that?

[analog aurora]

Will you remove the AI Eugene

[mint comet]

Where do you see French Marines?

[versed tree]

these are my predictions, and also I dont see the French at all (they also werent dedicated to LANDJUT whatsoever)

[spice helm]

Wrote about it below same for @mint comet

[mint comet]

Ahh I see. Thought the Draken was French.

[versed tree]

ah

[left escarp]

So you want all the infantry unit icons to be removed?
And for them to hire an artist, who I will bet will be busy for an entire year making new "man-made" infantry unit icons?

[unkempt linden]

Yes.

Also btw they STILL need to add a disclosure on the games store page that the game contains ai generated content, or as per steams TOS, the game can be removed off the platform

[left escarp]

While I do agree that it's ideal to have an artist do everything (it gives the game more soul), I think going full 180 is impractical at this point and may actually be harmful to the game.

Plus if it's true that Steam's TOS says use of AI must be disclosed (and it angers you so much), then you can always go to the store page, use the small little flag icon and report the product. There's no correct criteria for such a report though, so you need to be creative.

I personally just don't get why so many vocally treat AI as if it's heresy.
Fact is it's just a simple tool. Data is inserted, some direction is given and a result is produced. Imo EUG uses AI very responsibly being very deliberate what data is inserted and which way it's steered.

For me the AI hate is akin to ELO hoarding.
People don't understand the tool and therefore hate it or misuse it.

Hell, my own pfp is AI made. Must I be held to the same standards and delete my pfp too?

[summer sparrow]

I’m fairly AI tolerant as far as shit goes. I gave the benefit of the doubt for a lot of things Before the introduction of fully AI generated ‘’videos’’, and would have been fine with it prior. The trust I had with Eugen’s artistry is broken, and mending it requires remedying the use of this.

Inf. icons do not need AI. The game’s music doesn’t need AI. The game’s loading screens most certainly do not need AI. It breaks the trust in the integrity of the game at every level, and breaks down what artistic vision and energy this game had going for it. WARNO had a genuinely tightly focused sound and visual design.

Compare the first OST and Panzer’s ‘AI’ ‘’music’’. The difference in engagement is palpable-The one by AI is formulaic, unengaging, and limp. The music Running the Gauntlet sounds better-But, it is only a singular motif, doesn’t go anywhere, and is, again, exceedingly safe. And the change? A newer model. Compare the third OST, what it appears to be aping and the difference is stark! It builds up, steadily, with its motif, and Changes and reaches a satisfying and engaging peak, and builds back down to emptiness to transition. If making music is too hard, just license it-As they did with much of the first round of soundtrack!

There is a substantial loss of quality and vision, so why should I consume this if it will only continue to get less and less intentional, focused, and energetic?

[left escarp]

EUG use of AI never broke my trust, or did they promise not to use it?
But I guess I'm in the minority judging by how many are vocally up in arms about all this.

Sure the use of AI is not needed, and I do admit full human art is usually better, but looking at the bigger picture AI art is faster and cheaper.
Would everyone have had more patience if EUG had to delay stuff, let's say collectively half a year, to make everything with human art?
I'm completely indifferent if we're talking about background stuff like loading screens, music, unit icons and portraits of random officers.

My main gripe with AI use is the fact that EUG seems to use AI without any human touch. Like they just insert the data, give a command to steer in the desired direction and press "again" until the result is satisfactory.
That's how we get generals with "fishbones" for ranks, unit icons with questionable uniform details etc

I personally play with the game soundtrack randomised on YT Music. I have no problems with any of the obvious AI music. In fact I quite dig some of it, like "Pathfinder."
But again, it's like they just took the result and used it without human touch. Imo "Pathfinder" is too open ended and could use something to finish it up/ make it better (at least i feel like it could be done with the lyrics).

I wouldn't call it a substantial loss in quality/vision. I'm playing for the gameplay, not the art. I mainly consume the gameplay and ignore the background. And I will continue to do so as rn nothing is stopping me.
At the very worst the sloppy use of AI makes from a 10/10 game to an 8/10 (imo).

[frigid schooner]

Im kinda new around here so my bad if this has been brought up or answered before. But is there gunna be any chance that after Euorpe has been covered, we might see different theaters that were hotspots in the Cold War? Iran, China, Korea maybe? Be really cool to see

[versed tree]

unless it becomes some sort of cash cow, it probabky wony

[frigid schooner]

bummer

[left escarp]

Well, one of the DLC division's (6th US) is from Alaska, so I wouldn't rule it out.
I personally think we'll definitely see PRC and the Koreas. Not sure about the middle east, a big maybe.

[grave vector]

Hell, my own pfp is AI made. Must I be held to the same standards and delete my pfp too?

In an Ideal World, preferably, yeah you would be.

AI (or lets be real here LLMs and the Gernerative slop falsely marketed as AI) is a massive bubble of failed technology, with a few applications as a tool in some limited sectors being kept up almost singlehandedly by nvidia. It's use is frankly an indicator of someones over all capabilities or more pertinently lack there of.

Using AI = Clown behaviour

[mint comet]

Korea will be absolutely shit for terrain.

[left escarp]

I think mountains might bring out the best of the mountaineer trait. And one or two maps where vehicles are mostly confined to corridors/valleys (sort of like Death Row) will not hurt imo but add to variety.

[left escarp]

So in your ideal world AI/LLMs would be banned, if not outright criminalised. Got it.

If it's such a massive bubble then we better get ready for an economic crash of the century, because of all the investments going into it. Google is planning to build (or already is, idk) data centers with their own nuclear power plants.

If AI/LLMs are such a failed technology then how come we're seeing more and more of it? Like we are in the gaming industry.
I wouldn't be surprised if we can create full overhaul mods for games in the future using AI/LLMs.

Imo bad AI use is because of misuse due to lack of competence and not giving it the human touch.
When AI/LLMs first became prevelent I remember one artist who was using AI as the base and then going full photoshop on it, leaving only like 10% of the completed work unedited AI part. This is what I want EUG artists to do if they keep using AI/LLMs.

But enough about that.
As a "normal" person, can you try describing to me (someone who is obviously somewhat immune to the uncanny valley effect) what precisely do you find so appalling about AI/LLMs?

[analog aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/bow-kratos-gif-4765679871088702564

[analog aurora]

Eugene remove the AI and my life is yours!!!

[robust robin]

Its quite simple why AI is intensely disliked. It looks fake, and utterly appaling from an aesthetic perspective. So far no good looking art has been created with AI, so why should i ever support it?

[honest swallow]

Same but just for the austrian faction, a few real tyrolean voice lines wouldn't hurt (;

[coral berry]

Absolutely! Austria has some pleasant accents

[sand crown]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-cat-scared-scaredcat-scared-cat-gif-7805744473386885099

[left escarp]

I guess at this point it's in the marketplace of ideas, and if it gets enough support it gets to stay a part of our lives whether we like it or not.
Well, at least in the military. IRL application of AI in a combat environment is producing good results as far as I hear.
The art part is still debatable. I guess it depends how we vote with our wallet. And we have already paid for
So you probably gonna need to convince more other people to stop it. Maybe "we" can convince EUG.
Are you gonna try to convince others not to buy ?

[wispy sorrel]

Also forgot to ask, anyone guess nation 5 yet? @old marsh

[rigid plover]

romania or greece imo

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/perfetto-yes-gif-26163077

[wispy sorrel]

I knew it! We got Lichtenstein boys!!!! 🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/haha-gumichan-bird-no-laughing-gif-5128531988218293677

[coral berry]

they would've been too powerful

[thorn plover]

San Marino Boys we are so back!

[wispy sorrel]

Yooooo!!!! 🇸🇲 🇸🇲 🇸🇲 🇸🇲

[grave vector]

So in your ideal world AI/LLMs would be banned, if not outright criminalised. Got it.

Weird strawman but okay, regulation is not banning or criminalizing.

If it's such a massive bubble then we better get ready for an economic crash of the century, because of all the investments going into it.

Literally yes, the AI bubble is the only thing keeping the US "economy" afloat and it's primed to devestate the lives of tens if not hundreds of millions of lives globally.

If AI/LLMs are such a failed technology then how come we're seeing more and more of it? Like we are in the gaming industry.

Because we're in a bubble? A bubble that is primarily driven by Nvidia, you know the company that has the entire gaming industry in a choke hold?

When AI/LLMs first became prevelent I remember one artist who was using AI as the base and then going full photoshop on it, leaving only like 10% of the completed work unedited AI part.

This means that person still built their work on stolen art that fed the AI's learning model.

As a "normal" person, can you try describing to me (someone who is obviously somewhat immune to the uncanny valley effect) what precisely do you find so appalling about AI/LLMs?

Fine! Besides the devestating Enviromental effects of its datacentres, besides the moral and ethical implications of trying to replace artists with a program that can be guided to not be subversive, besides the AI psychosis that is driving children to commit suicide and the mentally unwell to commit murder, BESIDES ALL THAT:

It outsources your cognitive thinking skills to billionaires and allows them to dictate the flow of information. It is elon musks brain chip with better PR. It continues to feed the lack of literacy plaguing america. It's modern day bread and circuses

Every time you ask "grok is this true" you let the people who want you to remain a wage slave, think for you.

[grave vector]

Had to make a second post due to character limit

Well, at least in the military. IRL application of AI in a combat environment is producing good results as far as I hear.

As I said theres use for it in select sectors that can still make use of them in a regulated enviroment. Obviously the advancements in image detection and recognition are going to have military uses, especially for EO targeting systems.

Similarly, in a heavily maintained and structured model, it can do wonders for doctors diagnosing patients and acting as an aid to canvas known medical conditions.

However we already have governments around the world using AI to assemble and conduct kill missions, missions that then get shown to have hit innocents. Thats absurdly terrifying. Especially as those nations are showing more and more willingness to direct violence inwards.

I'm lucky enough to live in a nation that has maintained sanity but that makes watching as everyone down south rushes towards it all the more appalling.

[grave vector]

And before you say put your money where your mouth is, I have. I just recently had to overhaul my entire business pipeline to replace a program (lychee) that went all in on generative AI. I stopped contributing models to the modding scene here until the AI slop is removed.

It's not hard to not use it.

[sharp tide]

Chunnt druf ah weles dialäkt 😜

[nocturne ridge]

do you really all need to keep on this argument- it's clear that eugen has no intentions of changing, and flinging shit at each other isn't a very useful way to fill this thread

[coral berry]

Ich wörd mi mol met jedem schwiizerdütsche dialäkt z friede ghä.

[grave vector]

Until it's removed it needs to be pushed back against when people try and minimize the issue. Otherwise we'll start seeing AI gen used on models years down the road and we as a community already nit pick TF out the hand made ones. Can you imagine the level of SCREEEEEEing once a t-64 starts looking like it was drawn from memory?

[sharp tide]

Uf das e pris schnupf 👌🏻

[solid hull]

Since you guys are putting the Swiss Army into Warno, i have a playlist on Youtube with any video i came across about the "old swiss army" . I don't know but this might be useful for you guys:

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7c5WJHrdsPweFcjlvSvBS2WCVR6U0Kil

Btw if you have any questions about the "old swiss army" feel free to contact me. i do volunteer work at a former swiss ww2/coldwar fortress, now turned muesum.

On the other hand there is also the swiss military museum in full reuenthal if you ask very nicely those guys are probably one of the best addresses for any questions about the "old swiss army". They also have almost all swiss tanks and weapons (including some prototypes) from the old days and if they don't have it they know who does.

Looking forward to see the "old swiss army" in Warno ✌️

[solid hull]

Priiiiis

[coral berry]

I do volunteer work as a guide in Full! Nice to see a someone from the fortress next door here

[normal wedge]

🧐

[analog aurora]

@old marsh does Eugen have any comments on the AI in the game. It’s distractingly bad and lower the otherwise high quality of the game, my friends stopped playing because of it.

[left escarp]

I bet it is South Africa.

[left escarp]

Thank you for your answers!

I actually agree on all the moral and grey area problems plus that regulation is probably required to make sure AI/LLMs aren't abused in ways the wider public doesn't approve of.

I don't think the collateral damage to innocents was not a problem before AI helped with military targeting. From what I hear it's actually less of a problem thanks to AI. But it's useless to argue about it here since, let's be honest, it's early and data is still being collected and research is being done.
Do we blame the AI or the humans who made the decision to go through with it?

We're probably gonna have to agree to disagree.
You might have stopped contributing models to the modding scene, but you can't stop my worship of unless you present me with a better game.
I will buy all the incoming DLC for unless my financial situation sucks and it doesn't seem to go that way unless the nuclear apocalypse comes, but then we're all boned.

I barely use AI myself, since all I do on my PC is game.

[solid hull]

Oh thats so cool, i just was there at the Panzerweekend!

I am not from the one near Full, sorry for the confusion. It would be a bit of a stretch for me to get there frequently. haha

[left escarp]

I have another question:
If EUG runs their AI/LLMs only on their own machines (not in "service of billionaires") and only feeds historical photos into it, is it still unethical?

[grave vector]

Who's art did they train on? Exclusively their own? doubtful as they need multiple refrences for each type of asset which defeats the point of having AI in the first place. Hell even if they did it without training it on the wider internets art assets they're now replacing, either existing or potential, artists on their team with AI

[left escarp]

Late stage capitalism: cash is king and numbers must go up.
EUG does have investors afaik. They needed money to start this entire thing without publishers.

How many examples do you think they needed to get their AI/LLM running?
Could it be possible they only used media from the era that's no longer copyrighted? Would that be ethically ok?

Because the way they found out one of the Black Birds is Albania is that someone found the reference image they used to display that soldier.

[robust robin]

what are yall talking about its obvious they used CHATGPT or something along the lines

[grave vector]

@left escarp

How many examples do you think they needed to get their AI/LLM running?

We know this figure starts at several hundred to start getting good results but most commercial models use Hundreds of millions scraped without care for legality from any sources they can get.

Could it be possible they only used media from the era that's no longer copyrighted? Would that be ethically ok?

Ethically yes, functionally? Impossible, how would they get cold war assets from a time before the cold war? Copyright only expires 70 years after the artists death

@robust robin

what are yall talking about its obvious they used CHATGPT or something along the lines

10000% but he's trying to nudge the goal posts to find a place where AI is okay

[left escarp]

Copyright free work?
Archive footage?

FYI: not trying to move goalposts here. Just trying to educate myself, and find the feel for this society's stance on AI via probing whatever I can think of since I'm obviously indifferent to AI/LLM use.

[grave vector]

Archive footage?
Is owned yes, there's licences to use them and AI scraping does not meet the requirements almost as a rule.

[left escarp]

Would it be possible EUG actually officially acquired that licence/permission?

Is Soviet archive footage "free?"

[grave vector]

Would it be possible EUG actually officially acquired that licence/permission?
No because they're very clearly using existing commercial models

They 100% did not make their own model it's WAAAAAAAAY out of their budget

[left escarp]

How can we tell/know they're using existing commercial models?

I'm sorry if I come across as too persistent. I'm going this far because looking at the splash art now, starting from even the base game, and the fact that the in-game church skin has/had it's clock mirrored, AI/LLM art might have been part of earlier than some of us perceive.
We might be way past the point of no return. To the moment replacing all AI/LLM art might take something like a year or more to do and be completely impractical/unfeasible from EUG business point of view.

[grave vector]

This answer is vague and non specific but when you see enough examples you can start being able to guess which model is doing the work due to the AI self training off AI generated images, thats how the period of piss yellow tint happened. Like Quan said it's very likely just ChatGPT, I can pick that out due to how it renders and tints the facial features.

I'm not saying it hasn't been touched up by a real artist after generation but it's pretty distinct

[summer sparrow]

It should be noted that at least the Albanian man is a real image that has since been edited into this stylized thing.
It isn't generated

[grave vector]

I know its a real image but feeding a real image into an AI only to tell it to stylize it is extremely common and still an issue IMO

[robust robin]

ngl, the original image looks better. Tho the guy is a bit low rez so im guessing thats why they needed AI

[summer sparrow]

'needed' but yea

[robust robin]

i mean dont get me wrong the cartoonish style they used is super ugly as is to be expected from AI. And the faces are just horrifying. Tbh i think from the recent teasers the Landjut splash art actually looks decent. I guess southern flank and capital defense also arent too bad. Its black birds where i think the art kinda blows

[left escarp]

Wait, why is feeding an actual photo into AI/LLM to stylise it and/or increase the resolution a problem in your opinion?

[grave vector]

You're being intentially obtuse

[left escarp]

I told you, I'm indifferent to all of this so I'm trying to get a feel for it.
If I was intentionally obtuse, oh trust me, I'd be a lot more annoying and trolly.

Because feeding a photo through AI/LLM in my head equates to an (amateur) artist creating a preset program in Photoshop or something to process/stylise/increase resolution on pictures/art quickly.

Like, right now I feel like if someone wanted to process/stylise/increase resolution on a photo with no copyright issues with an AI/LLM it's unethical, even though it saves the greatest resource of them all, time.
But if one were do it it manually (with Photoshop or something) it's completely fine, even if they perfectly copy someone else's "style" while doing it.

[rigid plover]

Will there be any new maps based on the more mountainous regions of austria? and are there possibly new maps that will be for the czech south? for the current southag AGs

[coral berry]

that would be neat, it would also make the mountaineer trait more topical

[left escarp]

I want "Alaskan" troops to get the mountaineer trait.

[rigid plover]

what would a mountaineer trait give though?
(also i kind of didn't include switzerland in this screenshot but that would ofcourse have a similar terrain)

[coral berry]

isn't i already in? it gives something like better movement through woods, if i remember correctly

there you go

[rigid plover]

oooh, they should get something special for actual mountains too when they actually get added en masse

[mint comet]

Why? Just because there are mountains in Alaska, doesn’t mean units train in them. Look at the current 11th ABN and previous 25th ID. They weren’t mountain trained. Hell, the Brigade at Wainwright use to be on Strykers, though the Army has realized that was a terrible idea.

[sand crown]

I hope we get them very soon don't be like GTA 6 it just got delayed

[solar grotto]

@old marsh It has been a month since the last word, how long does it take to make a company statement? At this point just say "Yes we use AI, no we aren't going to stop, just keep the ones that aren't uncanny" I swear the super bad animated loading screens have been silently removed. I see daily comments regarding ethical use, it's so pervasive that any devs who interact with the community or read reviews would have to have noticed by now. Promises mean nothing. Can you speak for Eugen?

[robust robin]

They havent, the midjourney loading screens are still IN. I still see them regularly and its so bad, legitimately makes the game looks super cheap.

[radiant wyvern]

BTW, what happened to artillery rework

[solar grotto]

I still get the pilot and and walking towards flames ones, I think they reshuffled to remove the yelling one and the tank

[robust robin]

yeah same, i mostly dislike the pilot one, its so uncanny when he turns his head around.

[versed tree]

he looks like a snake

[left escarp]

What will you do if they don't respond and go about their business as usual? Because there isn't enough player backlash about this topic?

I just went to browse steam reviews. Maybe one in ten negative reviews were about EUG's use of AI art.
There were more negative reviews about the "discusting" DLC policy and the fact that new players are discriminated against in multiplayer.
Hell, there were more (older) negative reviews about WARNO's early access being poor than the AI art issue.

P.S. The more that I keep reading the reviews, the more I see a lot of negative reviews purely about the period of bad game stability this year than the AI issue.
And judging that quite a lot of reviews are from the early access period, I don't hold hope of people going back to change or update theirs.

[solar grotto]

I've got the early access edition but I refuse to buy any Nemesis or future DLC. I'll just play casual modded games with friends, Eugen will get no more money from me

[summer sparrow]

Same here. Without a stated, acted upon, change in direction I am not paying for future DLCs or encouraging such

[errant veldt]

The roadmap looks good just why add albania if yugo is right there

[rigid plover]

yugo goes with AFSOUTH (pact side)

[wispy sorrel]

So blackbirds is for those nations that wouldn’t fit in traditional line ups, Yugoslavia could easily fill one of these line ups, where as Albania could realistically only bring one division.

[errant veldt]

No did you hippies vid he said thats albanian i was like what tf could albania bring

[wispy sorrel]

So Albania can realistically bring one WARNO division, which would be a blend of Chinese Equipment, older Soviet tech and a large infantry component of mixed regular and reservist quality. That’s why Albania is in Black Birds and Yugoslavia isn’t, plus Yugoslavia had a much more developed military structure that will allow a lot more choice when it comes to divisions, so it will be a good pairing facing against Italy 👍🏻

[rigid plover]

https://tenor.com/view/albania-gif-15772705698764907763

[errant veldt]

@frosty ibex

[sand crown]

You can go check #1407300190074966048 to see a quite mess we ( i ) mess in there

[thorn plover]

yugo likely is going to get representation in an Army General campaign

[robust robin]

That would be horrifying

[thorn plover]

why? makes the most sense for a southern front AG, Italy vs Yugo.

[errant veldt]

Ye but werent they gonna add italy in blackbird

[thorn plover]

no, its austria, switzerland, hungary and albania on the image.
with 5th nation very very likely not Italy, could be super small lichtenstein police force attached to the swiss or austrians or something like portugal/cyprus etc. but based on the description italy wouldnt fit.

[robust robin]

Because i think yugoslavia would shine best in multiplayer divisions.

[thorn plover]

I mean it well get both obviously. Like southag or northag.

[rigid plover]

greece

[rancid notch]

This game is dying because of your ignorance eugen. look how there's 0 all map servers everyone of these servers will stall out and waiting times will rise. nobody wants to play the same map twice.
Idk how this isn't getting any attention it's a terrible thing and stops me from playing almost everytime I log on.. and I'm sure I'm not the only one.. it is absolutely game breaking for me coming from 1500 hours on sd2 and 900 here before these style servers were implemented..

[wispy sorrel]

Just make your own lobby.

[rancid notch]

That's not it it won't fix the problem this game has

[wispy sorrel]

It really is only a you problem though…

[minor swallow]

I tried making my own, but for some reasons people do prefer stacking on Airport and Twin Cities. Every single day there is always a Airport / Twin Cities lobby gobbing most players.
I don't think it's a "us" problem

As for " same map " servers, mileage may vary, nothing stops hopping on another lobby with a different map, I'm just fed up by those above.

[analog aurora]

Angola when?🇦🇴🇦🇴🇦🇴

[rigid plover]

https://tenor.com/view/savimbi-mpla-death-to-the-death-mort-au-mpla-gif-15261465837818846932

[sand crown]

Cuba first obviously

[slow spade]

Maybe once they are done with Europe they could do an India(Pact) vs Pakistan(NATO) DLC. Provided they either make Indian BG S+ tier or make the Pakistani BG F tier at most.

[misty kettle]

Are there any clues on the type of terrain in the announced AGs? Is it gonna be based on Blackbirds' general area (with mountainous maps, probably with an open door for a future yugoslavian expansion?) or maybe Landjut-related (made specific for soviet marines, usmc and war in Denmark or scandinavia?

[blazing dagger]

Probably Scandinavian map assets

[white pivot]

i bet portugal

[thorn plover]

Yeah protugal or its just a meme Lichtenstein.

[sand crown]

where north korea ?

[wispy sorrel]

Other

[sand crown]

other is not enough 🤬 😡 , The mighty strength of SovKor is indisputable

[summer sparrow]

romania

[left escarp]

South Africa.