off book thread | DROPOUT | Page 1

static helm Jan 13, 2022, 9:40 PM

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nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 9:40 PM

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I didn't even know threads were a think

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nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 9:40 PM

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thing*

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wild hamlet Jan 13, 2022, 9:41 PM

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“The mountport ep was good improv but also it was railroaded pretty hard” -JerryMD

I agree, like how they set up the evil woman in the tree, but then Sam’s prompt put the villain in a skyscraper. It couldn’t naturally flow.

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wild hamlet Jan 13, 2022, 9:41 PM

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Second favorite maybe for me

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I love Hamilton

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nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 9:42 PM

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Not a big fan of musicals tbh. I don't dislike them, I just haven't seen many

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magic basin Jan 13, 2022, 9:43 PM

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wild hamlet “The mountport ep was good improv but also it was railroaded pretty hard” -Jerr...

yeah things like that maybe shouldn't be specified, but I like how someone has control over the setting at least
The songs feel "greater" when you have an actual story to care about, with the podcast I don't really feel like there's a story that's at least somewhat planned out

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wild hamlet Jan 13, 2022, 9:44 PM

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It’s kinda crazy that I like some of Zach and Jess’s improvised musicals as much as Hamilton and Tick Tick Boom

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nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 9:44 PM

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They could refine the format? Make it more open maybe?

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Tbf though, the result was glorious

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wild hamlet Jan 13, 2022, 9:45 PM

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We also didn’t really get a full musical, it felt like it skipped the stuff between each song

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wild hamlet Jan 13, 2022, 9:46 PM

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I think I prefer ticket to nowhere

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nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 9:47 PM

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I personally liked the buildup in 'What Money Can't Buy'

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nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 9:47 PM

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True that

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nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 9:47 PM

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One chorus? What even is that?

magic basin Jan 13, 2022, 9:48 PM

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nimble mortar Tbf though, the result was glorious

(this discussion seems to have taken a different direction already but I just wanted to get my last two cents in about the original discussion subject)
In my opinion, I'd rather have consistently good musicals that are planned out (with most of the songs improvised), than occasional good musicals that are completely improvised (since I haven't really found an Off Book podcast that's near the quality of Mountport)
But you know, the formats can coexist, unprompted on the podcast and with prompts on Dropout

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magic basin (this discussion seems to have taken a different direction already but I just wa...

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nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 9:49 PM

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But I think that's why it needs to refine the format, it doesn't have to be either completely structured or completely open. There's a sweet spot there I reckon

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magic basin Jan 13, 2022, 9:49 PM

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nimble mortar But I think that's why it needs to refine the format, it doesn't have to be eith...

yup that too

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wild hamlet Jan 13, 2022, 9:50 PM

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magic basin (this discussion seems to have taken a different direction already but I just wa...

You can have your opinion, I just straight up disagree. I love everything I’ve heard on the pod even more than Mountport. They do a great job of working everything together into a structure naturally

static helm Jan 13, 2022, 9:51 PM

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nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 9:51 PM

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I loved the prompts though. I feel that they sparked creativity

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wild hamlet Jan 13, 2022, 9:51 PM

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It’s really good

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wild hamlet Jan 13, 2022, 9:52 PM

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I also really liked their recent 6-parter, Marvel Singematic Universe

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wild hamlet Jan 13, 2022, 9:53 PM

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One of my favorite parts of Official Cast recording was seeing Sam’s amazement

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nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 9:53 PM

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You know, our differences in opinions here might stem from the fact that I don't generally like straight up improv comedy

nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 9:53 PM

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wild hamlet One of my favorite parts of Official Cast recording was seeing Sam’s amazement

So true

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magic basin Jan 13, 2022, 9:54 PM

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he should be honored that he got to watch something so amazing LIVE right before his eyes

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wild hamlet Jan 13, 2022, 9:55 PM

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Yeah it’s incredible

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They show no signs of burnout

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nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 9:55 PM

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Or just straight up get cancelled, if they're on Netflix

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static helm Jan 13, 2022, 9:55 PM

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nimble mortar Or just straight up get cancelled, if they're on Netflix

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wild hamlet Jan 13, 2022, 9:56 PM

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Like Milo Murphy’s Law

nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 9:56 PM

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Yeah I know, but I was referencing Netflix's 'Two and out' thing. Most of their Originals don't make it past the second season

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nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 9:58 PM

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But I digress. Honestly, I reckon that the reason I prefer the structured format is that it appeals to a wider audience. It's much less niche. It also seems more like the panel shows we have over here that I love

wild hamlet Jan 13, 2022, 9:59 PM

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But I love OffBook’s niche so much

magic basin Jan 13, 2022, 9:59 PM

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One aspect that I think plays a part of it is that improv can often be a hit or miss

nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 10:00 PM

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wild hamlet But I love OffBook’s niche so much

I don't doubt that. But I don't think that most people would hold the same opinion. That's the problem with niche in general

wild hamlet Jan 13, 2022, 10:00 PM

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Yeah, that’s kind of the definition of niche

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Oh I just realized that sounded rude that wasn’t my intent

magic basin Jan 13, 2022, 10:00 PM

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wild hamlet But I love OffBook’s niche so much

I guess that if it ever comes to Dropout, Sam and the crew will just have to decide what the viewer wants and what they want to get the right formula for the show, whether that be with or without prompts

wild hamlet Jan 13, 2022, 10:01 PM

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I do know that it needs to be a lot longer than a Game changer episode

nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 10:01 PM

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wild hamlet Oh I just realized that sounded rude that wasn’t my intent

Nah, it didn't. I knew what you meant bud

magic basin Jan 13, 2022, 10:01 PM

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wild hamlet I do know that it needs to be a lot longer than a Game changer episode

oh yeah that for sure

nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 10:01 PM

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wild hamlet I do know that it needs to be a lot longer than a Game changer episode

100%

magic basin Jan 13, 2022, 10:01 PM

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At least they won't have to cut off songs anymore

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like with Business School

nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 10:02 PM

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Yeah totally

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Tbf it WAS a Game Changer episode. They had to follow the format. In an ideal world, they'd expertly craft a new one

wild hamlet Jan 13, 2022, 10:04 PM

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I personally really like closing my eyes and imaging the full musical, so I think part of my opinion is that Sam was interrupted the flow. If there were prompts I’d want the host to feel more like an on stage narrator

magic basin Jan 13, 2022, 10:04 PM

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That's true. I'm not sure if the "phrases for a point" make it better or worse
On one hand you have that it is constrained more, on the other hand it might be less constrained because they have to come up with creative ways to incorporate the phrase

magic basin Jan 13, 2022, 10:05 PM

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wild hamlet I personally really like closing my eyes and imaging the full musical, so I thin...

I imagine it as that as well. In the Game Changer Sam made some remarks about the audience arriving late etc., but in my ideal Off Book show that would be scrapped and Sam would indeed just be a narrator/scene setter

nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 10:06 PM

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So in summary, it needs a lot of work?

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Cuz I definitely agree with that

magic basin Jan 13, 2022, 10:07 PM

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Definitely. The Game Changer was an Off Book pilot that had to be constrained to the Game Changer format. However, if it's the exact same as the podcast, (so without prompts,) the probability that I will be watching is quite a bit lower

nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 10:09 PM

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Yeah. I tried watching Off Book live on youtube and I straight up didn't enjoy it

magic basin Jan 13, 2022, 10:10 PM

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Same, I want to see so much more of them because there's no doubt they're great at improv, but I just don't enjoy them with their current format :(

nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 10:10 PM

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I think the presenter (Doesn't necessarily have to be Sam) should act like more a dungeon master type role

magic basin Jan 13, 2022, 10:10 PM

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nimble mortar I think the presenter (Doesn't necessarily have to be Sam) should act like more ...

yeah that's a great analogy

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nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 10:11 PM

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Someone with good improv skills I guess

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Lean into the 'Yes and'

magic basin Jan 13, 2022, 10:11 PM

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I think it needs to be someone familiar in the world of musical improv so they can flow with the story

nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 10:12 PM

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Just like a dungeon master, they could have a general story in mind but not railroad it when the direction starts to change

magic basin Jan 13, 2022, 10:12 PM

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In Sam's episode notes that were posted on Insta he confirmed that he got help from Scott to make the prompts work, so it's clear that he's no expert (Sorry Sam)

magic basin Jan 13, 2022, 10:13 PM

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nimble mortar Just like a dungeon master, they could have a general story in mind but not rail...

exactly.

nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 10:13 PM

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Makes sense actually

magic basin Jan 13, 2022, 10:14 PM

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Though the problem with that might be that you always get the story that the host makes, not the actors

nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 10:14 PM

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The trick would be keeping it general enough

magic basin Jan 13, 2022, 10:14 PM

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magic basin Though the problem with that might be that you always get the story that the hos...

Not sure if that's actually true but it shouldn't be 100% a dungeon master

magic basin Jan 13, 2022, 10:15 PM

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nimble mortar The trick would be keeping it general enough

There's a sweet spot for it all

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nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 10:16 PM

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That's the entire reason I think it'd make a great Dropout show. You need the production value. The writers behind the scenes painstakingly crafting a story that will ensue laughter and follow and arc but also be vague and leave infinite amounts of room for creativity

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an arc*

static helm Jan 13, 2022, 10:17 PM

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magic basin Jan 13, 2022, 10:17 PM

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you can't really both have prompts and infinite room for creativity

nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 10:18 PM

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Not infinite, you're right. But lots

magic basin Jan 13, 2022, 10:18 PM

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you really just need someone else who knows musical improv that has just a few prompts ready to start off the show and keep it going and interesting

nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 10:18 PM

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To reiterate the analogy, DnD doesn't work without a dungeon master

magic basin Jan 13, 2022, 10:18 PM

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the narrator has to be both a leader and a participant

nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 10:19 PM

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magic basin the narrator has to be both a leader and a participant

Boom! You've nailed it

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They HAVE to be good at improv

wild hamlet Jan 13, 2022, 10:20 PM

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As I’ve stated, I love the current offbook format, so I guess my goal in this conversation is not to pitch something I’d like, but something a lot of people would like that can introduce them to the magic

magic basin Jan 13, 2022, 10:20 PM

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That's also true

nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 10:20 PM

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Yeah, of course

magic basin Jan 13, 2022, 10:21 PM

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I said it in the beginning already, they just need to find something that both the audience and the crew would like

nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 10:22 PM

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If the podcast as it exists now is the perfect iteration then any changes will result in disappointment, or at the very least it won't feel the same as the show you love. But as you said, it should be a vehicle to introduce the show to a wider audience

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Unfortunately, that means changing the show into something that appeals to that wider audience

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I see the same thing when they adapt TV shows over here for america

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I'm glad that Americans get to experience the show, but a lot of the time it loses what made the show great in the first place

magic basin Jan 13, 2022, 10:26 PM

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We're just four people so we can't really decide what "the general audience" likes, so we also can't really decide the changes

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but yeah if the general audience likes the Game Changer more than the podcast, then the hypothetical dropout show will also be closer to the Game Changer format than the podcast

nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 10:27 PM

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True, but it's fun to speculate lol

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nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 10:28 PM

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As in Doctor Who?

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magic basin Jan 13, 2022, 10:30 PM

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I haven't actually seen it but I heard it wasn't good

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nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 10:31 PM

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He was English was he not? It was just set in America

nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 10:32 PM

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magic basin I haven't actually seen it but I heard it wasn't good

It's weird

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nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 10:33 PM

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I'm the same. I rarely think of it and it's been so long since I've seen it. I'd imagine it's worse than I remember

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nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 10:36 PM

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I'm curious to watch it again now lol

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nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 10:41 PM

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I probably shouldn’t commit to a movie this late at night, especially if it’s almost definitely going to be shit 😂

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I’ve got work in the morning so I should probably watch something good with the time I have left

static helm Jan 13, 2022, 10:42 PM

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wild hamlet Jan 13, 2022, 10:43 PM

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It’s 1 am for you?

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wild hamlet Jan 13, 2022, 10:43 PM

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2:43 pm for me

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nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 10:43 PM

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It’s nearly 11 for me

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But I’m up at 7

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wild hamlet Jan 13, 2022, 10:45 PM

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If anyone here hasn’t see Encanto yet you need to

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I think it’s my favorite movie

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wild hamlet Jan 13, 2022, 10:48 PM

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the trailers made it seem like a bad movie but I heard good reviews and Lin did the music so I saw it in my spare time and fell in love

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wild hamlet Jan 13, 2022, 10:48 PM

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That is a masterpiece of a song

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nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 10:48 PM

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I might watch it at some point but probs not tonight

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wild hamlet Jan 13, 2022, 10:49 PM

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No we can not stop talking about him

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wild hamlet Jan 13, 2022, 10:49 PM

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What is that

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nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 10:49 PM

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I’ll probs just have a ciggy and a glass of wine and find something chill

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wild hamlet Jan 13, 2022, 10:50 PM

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Because profile picture I read everything you say in Grant’s voice

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wild hamlet Jan 13, 2022, 10:53 PM

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In your head do I sound like a dumb slime

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wild hamlet Jan 13, 2022, 10:54 PM

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Are you one of those people who doesn’t have an inner monologue

nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 10:54 PM

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Aight lads, I'mma head to bed here. I was lovely meeting and chatting with you all. Talk soon

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nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 10:54 PM

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Night night!

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wild hamlet Jan 13, 2022, 10:54 PM

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Goodnight Loxley!

static helm Jan 13, 2022, 10:54 PM

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wild hamlet Jan 13, 2022, 10:55 PM

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Hm

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wild hamlet Jan 13, 2022, 10:56 PM

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Coincidental that the off book thread got completely off topic

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wild hamlet Jan 13, 2022, 10:59 PM

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@nimble mortar Why does it say you’re still online go to sleep

nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 11:00 PM

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Oh, I'm on my mac. It doesn't really close anything unless you right click at the bottom and hit 'Quit'

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Damnit Apple

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wild hamlet Jan 13, 2022, 11:00 PM

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apple meh

nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 11:01 PM

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Ngl I love Apple but I'm still getting used to MacOS

wild hamlet Jan 13, 2022, 11:01 PM

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I’m an apple user but I wouldn’t get a Mac

nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 11:01 PM

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I'd recommend it

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But there's a steep learning curve

wild hamlet Jan 13, 2022, 11:02 PM

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Why would you recommend it

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I’ve used one at my school and it’s not great

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I like having my phone connect to my watch but I don’t think they really need to connect to my computer

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It would be convenient but Mac users can’t game

nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 11:07 PM

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I find Macs to be a lot more consistent and less glitchy than Windows machines. That's just natural for vertical integration. That combined with the new Apple Silicon processors, which are miles ahead of the competition and can run fanless with a stupidly long battery life (I charge my laptop like once a week). That just makes it my ideal laptop.

wild hamlet Jan 13, 2022, 11:08 PM

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But can I game

nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 11:08 PM

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The graphics capabilities of the new silicon are actually very VERY good

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But where they'll get you is the compaitbility

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The list of Mac-Compatible games is less than stellar

wild hamlet Jan 13, 2022, 11:09 PM

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Exactly I’m not interested in high graphics but I’m worried I can’t play my little indie games on a Mac

nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 11:09 PM

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I'm sure you'd be fine with most indie games

wild hamlet Jan 13, 2022, 11:10 PM

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To be fair I don’t even like Apple that much. I’ve considered switching phones but I love my watch and it’s useless without an iPhone

nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 11:11 PM

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Especially if they have a tablet/phone version. Because of the new RISC architecture, you can run pretty much any game in the ios app store too (People usually play games like Amoung Us n stuff)

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That's fair actually

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I literally sell phones for a living and can 100% confirm that it's a personal preference thing

wild hamlet Jan 13, 2022, 11:13 PM

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I get why your reasons sound appealing to some, but it’s not my thing. Like how OffBook isn’t your thing

nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 11:15 PM

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It really depends. If you're in the market to spend a grand on a laptop, I'm pretty confident in saying that you won't get a better one than a Macbook Air. And they tend to have really good longevity and resell value

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But again, if you don't like MacOS, it doesn't matter

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Because it's all about the experience

wild hamlet Jan 13, 2022, 11:16 PM

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I’m also just too poor

nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 11:16 PM

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That's another thing

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The price

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But yeah, I'd say Apple tend to absolutely kill it when it comes to watches and tablets. I love their phones but they can be hit or miss. And they've only recently started making laptops and desktops that are actually worth the money you pay for them

wild hamlet Jan 13, 2022, 11:18 PM

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My closing statement is this: Mac seems fine and all but it feels like a compromise between Apple ecosystem and good computer, not worth how much more money it is than my current laptop

nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 11:20 PM

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That's a good conclusion

wild hamlet Jan 13, 2022, 11:20 PM

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Okay now go to sleep

nimble mortar Jan 13, 2022, 11:21 PM

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I will say this (Slightly unrelated but I've worked in technology for a while and personally follow this piece of advice). Always buy the best you can afford, never scrimp on something you'll be using everyday

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But yeah, I'll go sleep now lol

wild hamlet Jan 13, 2022, 11:22 PM

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This conversation went everywhere

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So now back to:

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Off Book, The Improvised Musical Podcast with Zach and Jess

static helm Jan 13, 2022, 11:38 PM

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olive garnet Jan 14, 2022, 12:02 AM

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You are definitely not supposed to be able to create threads on this server... @half viper?

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