AI by axriz

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[south geyser]

what does flag out mean and how would it work

[ionic oriole]

When someone gives up the flag icon would show meaning they raised the white flag of surrender

Basically it’s to reduce the issue of someone practically getting every cap and become unstoppable at that point

[agile tinsel]

isn't that just neutral tho?

[ionic oriole]

Neutral makes it flag after multiple turns, this one would be instant

[thorny matrix]

That's wrong. If someone surrenders in neutral, then their territories immediately become neutral and their icon shows a flag.

Well, at least it used to be like that before the current bug came into play.

You're asking for something that's already in place.

[ionic oriole]

It takes a few rounds for it to go “M.I.A.” Not neutral immediately, this one would make it flag out right when someone bots out

[thorny matrix]

For bot outs, yes. Above you were referring to "surrender", for which my statement was correct.

I see your point but I disagree that there should be no tolerance for someone that abandons a game. Too often do you lose connection or miss your turn for another reason. This shouldn't make you lose the game immediately, as it's already a big disadvantage as it is.

[agile tinsel]

this is a good point yeah

[ionic oriole]

-# I mean, check your settings when you play I guess and just be aware that it could happen?

[ionic oriole]

Also all the more reason to add bot-out type when viewing what game to join

[frail tartan]

So if a player gets disconnected due to crappy connection, they instantly surrender and lose the ability to rejoin?

Yeah totally not unfair

[opaque jay]

sounds perfectly fair.

I think the players that dont finish the game should also be banned from ranked for a period of time.

play a 2 hr game down to 3 player end game. the first player to bot out gets second place. zzz.

[agile tinsel]

disagree completely. we don't need harsh penalties for mildly annoying things

[opaque jay]

mildly annoying? It ruins the integrity of the game. Very sad when the best strat when there is a 3 player game is to bot out. gives you 2nd 80% of the time.

[agile tinsel]

maybe so, but there are known reconnection issues, so it's not fair to punish people for that. and sometimes it's just like, why waste your time, you're in a shitty position that somebody is making it impossible to recover from, you're cardblocked for hours, etc. people have legitimate reasons to bot out sometimes. banning people is not an answer

[opaque jay]

ok if you are in a shitty possition you shouldnt be able to secure 2nd by just DCing

[agile tinsel]

instead of banning people, I think it would make more sense if bot outs could not rank higher than people who stayed till end of game

[opaque jay]

but yea i only play classic fixed, I havent dabbled in progressive, all i know is like 7/10 of my games the player that botted out gets 2nd place.

[agile tinsel]

yeah, and that's a problem bc everyone ignores bots and focuses on humans (well mostly everyone, I try to stop bots from getting bonuses etc, cos they are annoying, and some other people do the same, but a lot of people just don't bother)

[opaque jay]

yea sure but i still think you should get a ranked restriction for repeated offences. i get it shit happens you lose internet or you have to do some real life shit but it is way too frequent i queue up for 6 player game and 20 min in there is a bot or 2

[agile tinsel]

I mean, I agree it's annoying but like it's also hard to say whether this is network-related or not. some bot outs are like... nonsensical, the person was doing well, so I suspect disconnection. I don't think restricting people from playing is ever the answer

[opaque jay]

are you one that bots out alot?

i have never botted out of a game and i have 345 games played.

[agile tinsel]

I bot out sometimes. I play prog caps mostly, so it's different. games can really drag on. I don't want to sit there being cardblocked for hours if I'm not the last player, or I lose my cap and it's only a matter of time till I'm defeated anyway, why be forced to hang around when that is the case

[opaque jay]

if they want to make the game better they would rank restrict the frequent bot outs. i mean like 10 a week you get a 2 week restriction. also if you bot out you should get no ladder points.

[agile tinsel]

I don't think we need to be suspending people for bot outs. it's unreasonably harsh.
I do think bot outs could place lower on the rank than those who stuck around, that's reasonable

[opaque jay]

we disagree there should be consequences for quitting a game you queued up to play.

[south geyser]

ye

[opaque jay]

do you know how the neutral bot works? if someone bots out do they still place in higher than the people just beign an iceberg?

[agile tinsel]

I'm not sure how it works

[opaque jay]

so you are high elo anomalie?

i heard progressive caps is simple to rank up compared to classic fixed

[agile tinsel]

I mean, define high elo for risk? master/gm? then no, not at the moment. I would say what you heard sounds kinda nonsense, imo. I play (mostly) prog caps and my rank is all over the place. I think I'd probably rank up faster with world dom but I enjoy capitals 🙂

[opaque jay]

the pete guy said it