Modern Planes

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You should add the designations of the planes to the images.
Like F-15, F-16, etc.

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I barely managed the numbers, pls 🫠

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Personally I like this one https://aviationsmilitaires.net/media/pictures/A-10A.jpg

Not sure how posting images works, but its name is the A-10 thunderbolt

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Image for this;

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Thanks

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I believe I see, F-15, F-16, F-22, F-117, B-2, a MIG, & a Drone, but I'm not sure about the other plane.

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Quite sure at least one of them is an f-111

[near steppe]

Which is technically both a Classic & Modern since it's still in use.

[pale light]

Eh, classic seems to be WW2 pre-jet fighters

But yeah, it is an outdated model

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The drone is a Reaper Drone. It's literally the Pic Wikipedia uses 😂

[near steppe]

I'm not very into Drones.

[near steppe]

Just like the B-52, which is a prop plane & still in use.

[pale light]

Yeah, keeps getting upgrades, but it's old-reliable

Can't replace it. And I wouldn't want someone to try to replace the A-10. They'd overengineer it and cause it to go from being unkillable to dies to a papercut

[steel hound]

The concept of how the A-10 does CAS is outdated you know.

Modern CAS planes do not need the things the A-10 has

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Also, can we get the Chengdu J-20 up there? US fighters are great, but there are countires trying to compete. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/73/J-20_at_CCAS2022_(20220827103424).jpg/512px-J-20_at_CCAS2022_(20220827103424).jpg

[steel hound]

The B-2 Bomber can fly better CAS sorties than the A-10

[near steppe]

I think 1 might be an F-14, 2 I believe is an F-16, 3 I think is a B-2, 4 is an F-117, 5 is a MIG, 6 I'm pretty sure is an F-22, 7 is the Reaper Drone, & 8 is an F-15.
I might have 1 & 8 mixed up though.

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Yeah, but the B-2 can't Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrt

[steel hound]

But that's the part that isn't required anymore, precision guided weapons made that obsolete

[steel hound]

Yeah I mixed up the f14 and the f111

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Yeah. It was fun for it's time. There is a lot of awesome technology that's become obsolete, but you can respect it. Battleships are another example of awesome, but useless for modern conflicts

[near steppe]

If the A-10 is the Thunderbolt, then what was the Warthog?

[steel hound]

Fair enough

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Warthog is the nickname

a-10 thunderbolt is the official name

[steel hound]

Thunderbolt/ Thunderbolt II are the official designations for the planes, Warthog is the Nicknames given to the A-10 by soldiers

[near steppe]

Why don't they just stick some Battleship guns on a Carrier & call it a Battle Carrier?

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Image reference;

[pale light]

Makes it difficult to launch planes. Also, the guns have been replaced by missles that can fly further and do more damage

[near steppe]

Put the guns along the sides.

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There's also the Saab JAS 39 Gripen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Saab_JAS_39_Gripen_at_Kaivopuisto_Air_Show,_June_2017_(altered)_copy.jpg

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The Japanese did that in WW2

[steel hound]

Unnecessary weight, and as 3irc said, these big guns have become obsolete

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But the planes/cruisers with missiles will destroy the carrier before the guns get into range

[near steppe]

You also forgot the F-18 Hornet.

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Well, we've found the nerds. This is the session with the most messages

[near steppe]

They're are a modern holdover to Cannons.

[steel hound]

Not to gloss over the role of the actual planes, that have a vastly longer range than guns and are (sometimes) capable of stealth and can just get past SAM sites and drop bombs on the targets

[steel hound]

To be fair, planes are very interesting

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What was the plane that hit Iran after taking off from the US, hit their target, then returned to US without landing?

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B-2spirit if I remember correctly

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B1

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B1 lancer

Bone

Also b2

Depends which time

The b2s hit iraq

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This year

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B1s hit iran

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So probably b2, but that's up there already

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B1s hit iran this year after tge proxy drone strike

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Ah, well, we might need to put that on the list

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Israel slapped them with an F35 strike after their first drones wave

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But also, why isn't the blackbird on here

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A10 and blackbird should go up

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_SR-71_Blackbird

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And on the ww2 planes P51 should be up

[near steppe]

Like they call the B-52 a BUFF.

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The blackbird was such an inspiration

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B1 bone, F16 fighting falcon versus viper

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SR-71

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Grandpa Buff now

[steel hound]

Oh god the SR 71

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Old plane

I don't think the sr71 would fit

It wasn't a combat aircraft

Only flew recon

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It says modern planes, not modern combat planes

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Surveillance more accurately

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Also its kinda old now

And all of the other planes are combat platforms

[near steppe]

Yeah, at like 100k feet & something like Mach 4 or 5.

[steel hound]

Fair, but it was one of the planes furthering the advent of jet and mach capable aircraft.

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Mach 3

[near steppe]

Oh, that's all?

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Sick plane

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Faster than what the Russians had

Way faster

Still the fastest reusable airframe of all time

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But if we're going to make it combat only, I won't put up the C-17

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F15 needs to be up

The greatest fighter of all time

[near steppe]

Ok, but F-15 active can do something like Mach 2.5 now can't it?

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Yes

And it can maneuver

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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/F-15C_Eagle_from_the_44th_Fighter_Squadron_flies_during_a_routine_training_exercise_April_15%2C_2019.jpg/512px-F-15C_Eagle_from_the_44th_Fighter_Squadron_flies_during_a_routine_training_exercise_April_15%2C_2019.jpg

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And carry missiles, and 20mm gatling gun, and bombs/ordinance

Scared the shit out of russis

https://youtu.be/RmlWmDokzGg?si=ter7E3nn-z9u6any

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They probably added Canards to it, like the F-22.

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No

It's just a better designed airframe

Turns best at mach .8

Like most fighters

[near steppe]

F-15 Eagle is still my favorite though.

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Same here

Though the f22 is sick at airshows

[near steppe]

I never got the hype about the F-16.

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Lol, but it might be made obsolete before it gets a double digit kill count

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It's not obsolete exactly, just to expensive to produce parts for it

It is still a generation and a half ahead of anything anyone else in the world has ever built

But at a price

The F35 provides a better mission set and value

[near steppe]

F-18 is just as Maneuverable & faster.

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And it's standardized across nato

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Sure, but there's rumors of the next generation being in the works

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Not sustained

The F16 is the best rate fighter still

It's airframe was purpose built for energy maneuverability theory

The F18 Loses a little of speed after 1 turn

And it becomes for difficult to manuever

It is also a lot more expensive

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I'll take an Eagle over a Falcon every time.

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In a one circle style of dogfight like a scissors the F18/F15 win. In a two circle fight, which is more common imo, the F16 wins anytime by a landslide

The eagle had better bvr

But falcon is better at notching

Can you tell i play war thunder lol?!

Im such a nerd

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I'd have to ask a pilot to get their opinion

[near steppe]

Never heard of it

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I got a stick and throttle

Also most pilots know a lot about their platform, and primarily only that platform.

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Yeah, but how similar is the sim to the real thing? (I've never used either)

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Depends on the sim

Though some values may be different, interactions between different planes and tactics that would be used in one on ones are similar

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True. I guess the best sim isn't available to the public

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Besides safety protocols. None of those

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The airforce Sims are legit

But flight models aren't that hard to estimate

With a team of course

Also all of the jets on the list pretty much are american

[near steppe]

I don't remember what the last Air Combat game I played was called, but it was a PS2 game.

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Ace combat is nuts lol

[near steppe]

Maybe that's what it was.

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It can be fun sometimes. Realism be damned

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Yeah, I added a chinese and swedish one, but Americans are the merchants of war

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Let me fire 107 missiles at 32 different targets

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Which ones

The chinese jets are all copys

Use a soviet one

The F14 also deserves some more love with the polling

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The chengdu J-20

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That's just an F22 copy

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You're correct, but hey, got to pretend like there's variety

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And a Mig 29 or Su27 or mig21 for variety

All good looking planes

[near steppe]

I just remember I was in an F-22 Active, and I was knocking out Mig-32s & SU-37s, and could fly circles are F-16s.

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Sure. Here's the Mig 29 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/VVS_100th_IMG_0691_(7727464290)_(cropped).jpg/512px-VVS_100th_IMG_0691_(7727464290)_(cropped).jpg

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My list here for maximum variety would be.
1.F14
2.F15
3.A10
4.F22
5.mig 29
6. F117
7. B2
8. Eurofighter
9. Su 57

And if anyone votes for the su57 permanent ban immediately

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Lol, GL convincing Lui on that one

But yeah, what is that camo pattern supposed to do?

[near steppe]

You mean the Chinese actually make their own planes & not just buy surplus Russian Migs. 😆

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what surplus?😆

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They have spies in all of our factories

They then just make worse versions of our stuff

Other than that it's just russian surplus

[near steppe]

That's one of Russia's biggest money makers.
Selling all their older model Migs to half the world.

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So we can shoot them down in iraq

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Yeah, but they don't have any now

[near steppe]

It's why the Mig is the most recognizable jet fighter in the world.

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What about the French Mirage?

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Oh, for variety, you should also include the Marine Corps Harrier Jet.

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Brirish

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1. F14 tomcat (anyone seen topgun?)
2. Same thing. Should add the votes I guess. Top Gun 'nuff said!
3. B2 commonly referred to as the stealth bomber
4. F117 nighthawk
5. f35 lightning 2
6. F16 falcon
7. Reaper drone
8. F22 raptor

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it needs the very high tech plane that Maverick flew at the start of Top Gun Maverick

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Haha yeah. I'm surprised they are all usa planes. Usually the euros like to boast that they have airplanes too

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F-15 Active is still the Best.

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Nothing tops watching top Gun and the f14

Can't get any cooler than a swing wing

So cool it's on this list twice, once for each configuration

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F-14 & F-18 are basically the Navy versions of F-15 & F-16.

I'd give the W to Air Force for the F-15 & give the W to Navy for the F-18.

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No way the f15 is cooler than the f14. F15 is just a copycat fixed wing

[near steppe]

Nah F-15 is faster & can cary a bigger payload.

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Got nothing to do with looking cool

And being original

[near steppe]

Tomcat is just a bit more Maneuverable.

Overall thought, my top 3 would be F-15, F-14, F-18.

In case you couldn't tell, I'm not a big fan of the F-16.

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My top is f14.
Second favorite is the f4 phantom