1v1 has 2 maps per week for 7 weeks, so includes 14 maps. Is it worth making 1 of those True Random, to represent the minority of players that prefer that mode?
#Should 1v1 Tourney Include 1 True Random map?
smoky folio
thick wolf
True random isn’t as competitive and given the large role luck already plays in games adding true random would lower the amount skill determines games.
maiden zenith
I don't believe TR should be a competitive setting. If however you do decide to use it, you should throw in caps and auto to get all the lucky settings out of the way at once. Plus BB breaks on large caps, so if the game goes long, there is more of a chance for the loser to end the game with a cap blitz.
fallow skiff
True random is terrible for any competitive match because it reduces the need for skill
muted wing
Blitz gives attackers who already had an advantage an even greater advantage
thick wolf
Blitz gives attackers who already had an advantage an even greater advantage
No, it does the exact opposite.
It reduces the deviation of loss/win chances to equalize the game for both opponents.
True random is more likely to swap odds in the favor of one player.
I read your message wrong i thought u said players* instead of attackers
there is an element of attackers advantage
smoky folio
Blitz gives attackers who already had an advantage an even greater advantage
It does round up 97%+ blitzes to 100%
It also rounds down 3% to 0%, but that’s arguably less important, because low odds attacks are less common, and there is the option for the attacker to slow-roll when it’s convenient, giving True Random odds.
So even if it’s just a few percent, you have a point about attacker’s win chance increasing in BB
thick wolf
I thought it was top 15%
@smoky folio
And bottom 15
Pretty sure that it does
Like I’m almost positive
smoky folio
What’s an example of an 85% true random attack that becomes 100% bb?
smoky folio
Reinforces my original point that bb increases the chance to win some battles
thick wolf
Reinforces my original point that bb increases the chance to win some battles
Wym
U said rounds top and bottom 3%
To 100
I was told it was top 15%
willow rampart
No absolutely not, true random just adds way too much luck to it, this is a competitive tournament, no need to add more luck to it
ashen otter
1v1 has 2 maps per week for 7 weeks, so includes 14 maps. Is it worth making 1 o...
For a competitive tournament there definitely shouldn't be any true random imo
heady igloo
No True Random in competitive tournaments. Thank you.
thick wolf
@smoky folio would you prefer we add it?
smoky folio
I personally don’t prefer it, but usually get a couple of requests to add it per season, so was worth discussing
silver talon
Only reason TR should be used is if the tournament is trying to promote a over the board feel. Otherwise I feel that TR just takes too long for a tournament setting.
heady igloo
Only reason TR should be used is if the tournament is trying to promote a over t...
We are talking about specifically 1v1 Tourneys so the time isn't a problem in that manner. It's just too luck based.
vagrant tangle
Considering how luck is already too great a factor, especially in 1v1s, TR would just make the game so luck based that you may as well just flip a coin to decide the winner rather than playing the game
timid harbor
TR = Luck Fest, so it's a BIG no
plush spruce
We are talking about specifically 1v1 Tourneys so the time isn't a problem in th...
Tbf some 1v1 sets already take awhile to run through
TR would impact that time even moreso
solar condor
I think it’s fine if it’s added, with some precautions
Maybe you can make a test round with the true random enabled
and then another test round next week with the same exact settings except it’s balanced blitz
Compare the results, if TR does work out horribly compared to BB, then don’t add it, if if it doesn’t maybe add just one TR Round to the official tourney
thick wolf
Tbf some 1v1 sets already take awhile to run through
Not sure why time would increase, if anything I’d expect it to decrease because someone gets luck and the win is faster
plush spruce
The problem is that not everything that's good for BB would be good for TR. It's a good idea but preferably you'd want a larger sample size of games
plush spruce
Not sure why time would increase, if anything I’d expect it to decrease because ...
Players won't be hoping on good luck. Player psychology will cause games to go longer because more slow roll attacks & less attacks made per turn so less change in board state leading to more stablemated matches
Even in a 1v1 board state changing quick matters
smoky folio
Reading through the messages so far, it sounds like most players would be content if we continue to use balanced blitz.
Was worth checking in on this though, as there’s always 1-2% of participants each season interested in adding TR
lean hamlet
How about 2 tourneys at the same time? One for BB and one for TR and you can only subscribe for 1? That way people can choose which one to enter?
solar condor
How about 2 tourneys at the same time? One for BB and one for TR and you can onl...
It's a good idea but if we split it into 2, there will be half as much members in each one
lean hamlet
Hard to tell right… most voices say they don’t want to play TR so assumption would be that the latter group would be smaller 😉 Also, why would it be bad if there are less members if it’s 2 groups @solar condor ?
timid harbor
Harder to organise + it's not worth it long term
If there was like 50% of Player base for it, then it would be fine, but it's below that, so why even bother in the first place?
Like you're just wasting time
solar condor
I didn't think about the fact that there would be more people in BB since it's more popular, but still, if there is just 20-30 people in the TR part of the tourney, then is it even worth it to split the tournament?
timid harbor
Exactly, not to mention people for BB would just be annoyed by it and not participate in the actual Tourneys that take skill
So it's a lose lose situation
lean hamlet
Not really… you can hold the title as number 1 in TR 1v1. A title would be a title right? Why do many youtubers do a novice to gm run over different settings? It might become more popular then you think… and if not, what’s wrong with the people who like TR to have their own tournament?
lean hamlet
Right, cause the original board game is all about BB…. I’ll just shut up now as I’m clearly to stupid to get it!
timid harbor
Board game has nothing to do with this though lol
It's like comparing Apples and Oranges
solar condor
Right, cause the original board game is all about BB…. I’ll just shut up now as ...
True Random isn't that bad if you are just playing an unranked risk match to have fun with friends, similar to how the board game worked, but tourneys are competitive, for that, BB is better
timid harbor
Yea no one here has a problem about TR being played in a Fun way, Unranked, but Tourneys are a totally different Story. What's the point of calling it a Tourney if it's purely decided by who's more lucky overall to win it and skill is irrelevant?
That's exactly what happened in Arco's Tourney in JJ's Server. Arco didn't even win and other Top Players were out very early in the Rounds, so skill is 100% irrelevant
lean hamlet
True Random isn't that bad if you are just playing an unranked risk match to hav...
That’s just the suggestion about two tournaments simultaneously: you willingly enter one or the other knowing what it entails… if you want the skill: go for BB. And even with BB you cannot control everything. You can blits a 7v3 and get left with 6 troops or 1. Those 5 troop difference make a huge difference in a 1v1 battle so luck will alway be a factor (though on BB contained more). It was just a suggestion that I think might work 😜
round whale
Scheduling them together would be extremely tricky for staff & more confusing for members - it would also make the least popular mode an easy way to reach top 3 as most wouldn't want to play it instead of a more strategy-based one - so main concern is it would take away from the challenge
vagrant tangle
Let me give a quick example as to why TR in a ranked scene is an awful idea. I am a Master at 25k rank, nothing insane but not bad either. I was playing with my friends who are awful, really awful to the point they happily admit it themselves, they play because it's fun, not cause they're good. We played a few TR friend games yesterday and I lost 6 out of the 7 games we played because of the most awful rng I have ever experienced. The only people that I can imagine who would want TR in a competitive scene are those who rely on luck to compensate for lack of skill to win games, there's a good reason you will almost NEVER see TR in ranked games hosted by expert or above
round whale
True Random is intrinsically how RISK is played, humans don't really handle realistic odds though (you'll still see a lot of people angry they'd lost a 90% or 95% success rate attack while in balanced blitz - if you don't want to lose it, don't attack with less than 100% is pretty simple & easy to do)
True Random is generally too random for humans, but it's more realistic in that anything can & probably will happen at one point or another. Some people don't like this lack of control, and would prefer more control over the dice - that's what balanced blitz offers.
Even then however, it's also easy to switch between them for whenever it's to your advantage in balanced blitz, true random doesn't have that (it just offers itself) - so even balanced blitz has it's downsides 😄
maiden zenith
What I'm hearing is BB is superior bc you can play both TR and BB in BB, but you can only play TR in TR. So those who want to play TR can still do so in BB 😂
timid harbor
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solar condor
What I'm hearing is BB is superior bc you can play both TR and BB in BB, but you...
Yup
Why is this the forum post that has the most messages
dim girder
I couldn't reply to you in another forum because of the time. I'd rather not wait, and forget, so I'll reply here. I believe I have a screenshot of a previous In game tourney announcement. When I hosted. I could always send it to you via Dm if you want to. If it's been done in the past I'm sure it wouldn't be a problem. No harm in asking either @smoky folio
smoky folio
That’d be great thanks
thick wolf
What I'm hearing is BB is superior bc you can play both TR and BB in BB, but you...
Very good point most times people have the time to play true random if they really want
Just slow roll everything lmao
dim girder
Yes please! True random in 1v1 slightly evens out the odds. Especially when zombies come into play.
timid harbor
Hot take lol
vagrant tangle
A very hot take indeed
dim girder
I encourage you all to try out macho Picchu Zombies with true random. You will be entertained!
fallow skiff
Yes entertaining