Matchmaking in the Gold Rush

[pastel walrus]

@hollow cape Please pay attention to this problem! My alliance is in the second bronze league, why is the first gold league raiding me?!!! Naturally, I can't respond to them. Where is the balance??? This is simply mockery of the players! 👎

[wheat bolt]

Everyone is shouting the same thing for months , he doesn't care he will come and told you that it's because you are high lvl o something like that

[pastel walrus]

six people from the first gold league against one person from the second bronze league!

[wheat bolt]

I got similar situation 3 people from gold 1 or 2 i don't remember clearly they all were t6 players and I was in bronze 2

[hollow cape]

League doesn't matter anymore. The best thing you can do is recruit a raider player for your clan

[wheat bolt]

And how should I pay him, with real money

[hollow cape]

With gold not money

Or learn how to raid if you are a solo

[wheat bolt]

I don't join raids often , well I don't need raider im t6 after all ,but think about t5 people who dont join raids often

[pastel walrus]

and if I don't want to do this? wouldn't it be better for the developers to set up the balance correctly!

[wheat bolt]

This was that worst advice 😞

[hollow cape]

Hey, that's the price you pay for being a solo man, since solo isn't a thing.

[wheat bolt]

I played in gold one alliance for months before making my own alliance and if u face t6 rare or epic u can't do anything no matter how good is strategy

[hollow cape]

Not true.

[wheat bolt]

Then upload ur next video going solo againt 4 or 5 t6 without wearing t6 epic and only using krag , accept this challenge

[hollow cape]

I've taken down entire 12-member Gold League 1 clans while running solo with just a single Tier 6 rare armor. As I've said before, if you're a solo player looking to defend yourself, learn how to raid properly, bring better gear, or recruit a dedicated raider for your clan.

[pastel walrus]

@hollow cape why don't alliances of my second bronze level raid me?

@hollow cape and why should I hire someone, this is my alliance, I built it!

[hollow cape]

Because devs changed the matchmaking system during update 9.0 and implemented that change in 9.3. The reason is, they don't want clan to stay in lower league for too long, since some clan take advantage and stay in that lower league as a safe zone, and it boost team play, since alliance are meant for grouped players not a solo.

[pastel walrus]

this game is not about war! and why did you decide that alliances are for several people? I don't want to participate in your fever, because it doesn't work!

[wheat bolt]

Ok prove it by uploading a video, may be we can also learn something

[pastel walrus]

@hollow cape hundreds of players are unhappy with the balance and the developers don't listen to them!

[hollow cape]

I don’t have time to make a video. Just because I can't show it doesn’t mean it can't be done. You can find plenty of examples on YouTube or other platforms if you're interested.

[pastel walrus]

and that's it? the conversation is over? great! recruit 100500 people and go on raids!

I created an alliance for gold mining and not for shooting! I'm not interested in that!

[wheat bolt]

You can't upgrade to lvl 2 alliance of you stay solo , it's not like impossible but very hard

[pastel walrus]

I'm happy with everything so far, except for the raids

[real wasp]

I do it all the time

I don’t use epic anything for raiding

[wheat bolt]

Well u are a legendary solo alliance and I'm just newbie who dont even have full t6 armor

[real wasp]

They mostly have t6 epic defender some t6 rare

[wheat bolt]

It's hard to believe

[real wasp]

They have YouTube video of them raiding us

[wheat bolt]

It's not like that I don't believe you , I'm just shocked I killed them with t6 rare only

[wheat bolt]

Btw you are solo alliance right

[real wasp]

No I’m in Apache clan

[wheat bolt]

O , so what happened to your alliance?

[real wasp]

I’ve never been solo

[wheat bolt]

Ooo, then why gentelman always say so?

[real wasp]

He thinks I hate solo alliances so we always go back and forth

[wheat bolt]

Btw how many bigshots are there in apache accept you and velo

[wheat bolt]

OoooOoo

[real wasp]

14 more lol

[fossil sonnet]

Hi

[wheat bolt]

I bet they all are bigshots

[real wasp]

I’m not close to the best player there…

[wheat bolt]

Hey

[fossil sonnet]

You know something good is about to drop

Ahaha

[wheat bolt]

I bet it's Velo

[real wasp]

No offense to velo but it’s the leader

Zahid

[wheat bolt]

Why did u lost wallet full of money?

[wheat bolt]

O ,never heard of him

[fossil sonnet]

No,no. Just saw an interesting post

[wheat bolt]

What

[fossil sonnet]

Last time this happened, marshal locked it

Just saying

[pastel walrus]

find the differences! so where is the justice?

[pastel walrus]

@hollow cape Do you think this is normal? Why don't they fight with alliances of their rank! How much longer can they mock players! I'm being raided again by alliances five times stronger than me! You're trying to survive solo alliances, but why did we build them then! Where does it say that an alliance is not for solo players!? Make a normal balance! 😡😡😡

[wheat bolt]

Spacemarshals will say" just get strong" now i think he don't care if we get High lvl players against us

[pastel walrus]

You don't take into account either the rank of the players or the rank of the alliances, there is absolutely no balance. And you pompously call it a gold rush, but it's just a pile of crap!

[hollow cape]

I get your frustration, I’m a solo player too, and yeah, it’s rough getting raided by much stronger alliances.

But just to be clear: alliances aren’t meant for solo players. The devs said this a while back. They’re made for groups, and the game balance is based on that.

That said, I am willing to write a report about the matchmaking issue to the devs, but only for grouped alliances, not solo alliance.

If you want to keep playing solo, I still suggest learning how to raid or teaming up with a strong raider. With good gear, even 1v8 fights can be won.

[pastel walrus]

@hollow cape It's very simple. Leave the bronze league to the loners. To move to the silver league you need buildings of rank 2 and three members of the alliance, and so on. only then will they be able to raid. Give the loners life, I don't want to fight!

[wheat bolt]

This won't work , solo raider are always high lvl players mostly t6 so if we do this , they will attack low level players they will not attack to participate in gold Rush but to get gold from the other alliance for cheap price of 200 silvers so to prevent this

1. We need to apply the restriction to join the gold rush or to buy maps the alliance should have more than 3 players to buy maps and join gold rush

2. The gold rush mathmaking should be based on authority/reputation of alliance
   For example in bronze 500-1000 should be in first matchmaking,
   In silvers 1100-2500 ....So on

@hollow cape please recommend this to Devs and if possible please give me their feedback

[pastel walrus]

you didn't quite get it, solo players won't be able to raid at all. the ability to raid will start for alliances with second rank buildings and with a number of players from three

[wheat bolt]

Still even if you aren't solo even if you are 3 peoples in bronze 3 , the gold 1 to 3 will still attack you , don't they ?

[wheat bolt]

I'm in bronze 3 till now and I have one more player with me since I'm not solo ,still gold 1 alliances is attacking me

[pastel walrus]

I just want players to have a choice. If you want to raid, develop an alliance and recruit players. If you don't want to stdi in the bronze league, you don't bother anyone and no one bothers you. Not everyone wants to fight, especially with the lack of balance.

[wheat bolt]

What I'm saying you can't just upgrade to silver leagues without playing , and bronze league alliances are getting raided by gold league,

[wheat bolt]

This statement feels like you are just shouting in anger without thinking , please collect your thoughts together and then say what you are tying to say

[pastel walrus]

This is just our chatter, and it is unlikely that anything will change

[wheat bolt]

You just gave me reality check

[drowsy heron]

And how do you get to 2nd rank buildings, if you can't raid? You need to raid in order to get the ressources needed for leveling those buildings up

"Matchmaking" is really bad. I want to raid, but I get high end alliances. I spend 200 silver just to get a gold II alliance with 16 members. How should that motivate any new/lower tier alliance?

[wheat bolt]

Yes that's why I am saying the matchmaking should only put the alliance within the same authority for example if your alliance authority is 1000 then the only alliances that attack you and you attack should be ≤ 1000, they should put tiers like

Bronze = 500-1000 or 1500
Silvers = 1500 - 3000
Gold= 3000+

And if they want to remove solo alliance as spacemarshals always says that alliance aren't meant to be solo so they should add a rule that you can only attack and participate in gold rush only if your alliance have more than 3 memebers ,so by doing this no one wants to play solo

[pastel walrus]

it's just a suggestion! you can think it through, but you can't leave it like this

[drowsy heron]

I thought it trough. Then I noticed you error in thought and wrote it.

[wheat bolt]

@drowsy heron what's your thoughts about this

[fossil sonnet]

if we do it as per this suggestion, then not much changes. You can get an alliance with low authority where a single high level player is that stomps all the other beginner alliances.

you do not solve the problem, you only shift it to be more into your favour

and also, as @hollow cape said, the balance is generally done around the alliance and concept of a group. Its clear considering the resources required that it`s a team effort, but nevertheless it can be done solo with godly amount of grinding if someone actually decided to do it.

[hollow cape]

That won't happen.

[fossil sonnet]

here is my suggestion from the last post that marshal didnt unlock yet ;))))

We first take a look at the system and understand its main components: alliance buildings, player progression and player count. These are the 3 aspects that, when mixed together, create the atacking-defending dynamic of the Gold rush.
How to balance? Make all the 3 mentioned aspects above matter into a single system:
MMR based matchmaking(or Authority) that takes into account the player progression (already implemented in a basic manner in determinating the battlepass or quests), player count (how many players are in the alliance) and the alliance building level. Considering all these aspects, a system that can be changed depending on the actual stats between different tiers can be implemented(as mentioned above, one or two high tier can wipe out a full alliance in either attack or defence, so the progression aspect of the members can have a high proportion within the MMR establishment for example).

[hollow cape]

https://tenor.com/view/oooppsss-gif-11079235799277952190

[fossil sonnet]

this takes into consideration both solo and group players, both beginners and high end players

[wheat bolt]

Hmmm, are you talking about my suggestion?

[fossil sonnet]

yours too

the problem with the authority rn is that in mainly takes into consideration building level

[wheat bolt]

What's the problem in my suggestion? Can you please elaborate ot ?

[fossil sonnet]

you can`t make it fair on that alone, as i said before, you can get a high level player with low buildings

to stomp everything

[wheat bolt]

Yes but applying the 3 players required to in alliance to join gold rush , it will reduce the solo alliances isnt it?

[fossil sonnet]

There is no need to add such a rule

[wheat bolt]

Yes i agree with this point

[wheat bolt]

Why not? Since solo alliance is the whole core of this problem

[fossil sonnet]

It was never really a problem

I see it as a choice

You can go solo or you can go in a group

I like it

If someone wants a challenge

but the balance itself is bad, and this does not apply only to solo vs group, but in general

[wheat bolt]

Didn't you just said something above that opposite to this statements

[fossil sonnet]

the concept of freedom of choice never is a problem

how it is implemented or balanced is

let me ask you this

if i make a solo alliance

and you see this defender

what do you do

as a starting alliance

what chance do you have to win

[wheat bolt]

Let me give answer to this question with another question, imagine this defender riading low level alliance to get extra 12 gold just at the price of 200 silvers ?

Isn't this unfair?

[fossil sonnet]

read this

and let me know your thoughts

[wheat bolt]

I will give you my thoughts after fully understanding that , I'm unable to understand something on that statement

[fossil sonnet]

what seems unclear?

maybe i can clarify

[wheat bolt]

I apologise i was writing down that on paper to understand it , you have provided the good system i think it's great but it has a major drawback or should I say flaw

[fossil sonnet]

well, yes

i`m not saying its perfect

after all it`s the dev job not mine to figure it out

:))

if i make all their work, i would like to be paid for it aahah

that being said, devs, call me

[wheat bolt]

And the drawback lies in this picture, imagine a alliance of 6 one player is like this the t6 epic , and all other players are like t4 and t5 , the matchmaking system will ignore this player and the system will only count the other 5 or average of all 6

[fossil sonnet]

the idea would be to take into account each player and their progression into account when calculating the power of the alliance

it was a longer post but only copy-pasted it the essence

https://discord.com/channels/464433442134687746/1398062025233531002

this post

[wheat bolt]

Writing that type of code is very complex and even if someone wrote it , there will be many bugs and he matchmaking will always crash , and takes too much time

[fossil sonnet]

that`s what devs should do and focus on tbh

providing a good experience to players

[wheat bolt]

Believe me I'm a programmer and the request you are providing is very very complex it's practically impossible

[fossil sonnet]

i am aware its a big ask

not impossible

[wheat bolt]

Not impossible but not possible too

[fossil sonnet]

there are countless examples where mmr systems are implemented to a good level

but if they will focus on adding corn into t7 battlepass, yes, it`s an impossible ask aha

[wheat bolt]

We can't compare evergame with each other, there is many things we overlook if we compare two games

[fossil sonnet]

true

i would rather see no battle pass updates and have them work on something that actually matters like matchmaking but hey

they need to generate revenue ig

the shareholders like numbers

=)))

[wheat bolt]

well it was nice talking to you

[fossil sonnet]

always a pleasure to discuss

[wheat bolt]

I'm goona go to sleep it's 1:40 am ,

[fossil sonnet]

yeah, you should go

you are so sleepy you got a new timezone

[real wasp]

I mean the entire definition of alliance isn’t a solo thing so there is that 🤣 🤣 🤣

[civic forge]

Thats not very fair I got only little bit of ali resources cuz Im in silver 3 and still play against the gold 1 players like what's the point of leagues when we play against gold everytime

[near tinsel]

They had to change something, everyone who wanted more gold and used at least half of a brain went solo in previous system, gold rush was dead. Now solo is more challenging because nobody is safe even in lower divisions. And finaly it makes sense to group together in stronger and larger bases, I suppose that's what devs wanted.

If solo bases are safe against big ones then most of players will go solo again.

[civic forge]

Quick question the gold still split among the members right?

[wheat bolt]

Yes it does

[pastel walrus]

@hollow cape Are the developers even going to do anything about this? Every time raid alliances that are 10 times stronger! Let those who want to participate in the fever, why force it on others! let them fight among themselves!

[wicked forge]

there is gold split of production in higher member count alliances. why would anyone fight among only 10+ full alliences just to waste rss for about the same gold as solo if there were no upside? all high lvl would choose solo alli in the result of your suggestion. unless they removed gold split in higher member count alliances.

[pastel walrus]

why should i go to a counter raid on an alliance with 10 members? why is the matchmaking so unfair?

[drowsy heron]

Devs want money

And they are stupid enough to believe we would buy something for raids

[hollow cape]

Idk.

[hollow cape]

This has to be one of the most ridiculous takes I’ve seen, Solo play isn’t part of alliance anymore. The alliance now is built for groups, not solo players, so saying the devs just want money doesn't make any sense. Raids don’t take a big team either, two players working together can take down a 10 member clan.

[drowsy heron]

I know it's no longer meant for solos. But a new bronze III alliance with all t3 players has absolutely no chance against a gold I alliance. This is where the "matchmaking" is horribly broken and absolutely useless

[pastel walrus]

So give us an alternative to singles to earn gold, since alliances have been taken away from us!

[fossil sonnet]

Place high on your leaderboard on either the cannion or cave

[tight wharf]

Of course, a "solo alliance" is an oxymoron. So I don't count their whining about unfairness. This still leaves the complete randomness of matchmaking us (one of the top alliances in g1) against newbies in bronce. If (counter)attacks happen dressed in straw hat and armed with some T3 pistol it feels like kicking puppies.
Let the devs just admit that the system is completely broken or that it is intentionally random. This lie about a "fair matchmaking algorithm" is getting more hilarious by the hour.
So just be honest about it that the wild west is cruel and the strong will always crush the weak and feast on their little bones.

[hollow cape]

Yeah, I know. I’m sure they’ll do something about it. The reports I sent before already made the devs aware. Right now they’re just focused on the Tier 7 content release and bug fixes, but once that’s done, I’m sure they’ll come back with improvement updates.

[hollow cape]

You gotta be joking, right? Solos already get Full passive gold income, and if you upgrade your gold mine, that’s even more, without ever doing raids. Plus, leaderboards also give gold. And now you want even more ways for solos to farm gold? That’s kinda ridiculous.

I’ll say this again: the alliance system, now and going forward, is designed for groups, not solo players or tiny 2-man alliances. That’s the devs’ intention.

So yeah, I won’t be forwarding this request to the devs, because their focus is fully on evolving the alliance system for groups. If you’re set on running a solo alliance, then the only way to thrive is by learning how to raid.

[pastel walrus]

so make a normal balance in raids! the player above wrote that now they eat weak alliances like cookies and in response no one can do anything to them! you advise to recruit players to the alliance. Ok. where is the guarantee that there is no cheater among them and the alliance will not be banned?

[misty cobalt]

It is best to make an alliance with many members. By being 10 members, you'll have 10 chances to win. Many alliances have different levels of members and if that's how those low-level cowboys learn and grow. I only manage to kill 10. But what does it cost me? Spending over 100 gold nuggets on repairing the suit to win just 16?

On the other hand, if we go 5 people and each one eliminates two, our spending is considerably reduced.

We can teach other players and spend some time together in the game.

[lapis pecan]

Here is the thing, if you want to solo then dont do raid. If attacked then its just a deduction to your daily 20g in a week. You will not be raided as often as daily so you still gain if do solo. If go to the hype of an alliance look for a better team.

[misty cobalt]

That's true

[fossil sonnet]

i am actively atacking in gold rush and i barely get atacked back

[narrow folio]

I have never raided another base but, due to revenge raiding after being raided, I’m up for promotion to the next tier…which I don’t want! Grrrr

[misty cobalt]

You always have to have a protective attitude... but realistically, I see it that way... it's one more opinion, which I don't follow hahaha

[lime bough]

https://discord.com/channels/464433442134687746/467791410113019939
Ya sé, ya sé....

[hollow cape]

Guys please here #español-chat-spanish

@misty cobalt Please clear those Spanish messages

Thanks

[lime bough]

known issue. 👍🏻

[lapis pecan]

Stay low or high ul get raided so better in high for high rewards

[lime bough]

I am glad to read an intelligent opinion that is not protectionist towards developers.

[cunning salmon]

Untill some balance do hapen. Best to filter players you acept. After few monts we got resly good crue. Conributors everbody. And one hit man raider vith guns that do over 3.500 damege. So we advanced fast. When I join in april we were first bronze. Now i august we are first gold. Dont be selfish acept people and those who dont cotribute kik out. Good ones will stay on.

Also pik up gold on regular bases. If you have little gold then you eont get attacked as offten. Even if you do you loose little.