How is Gold counted in new system?

[bold ridge]

We raided a base and took 126 Gold. 8 of 10 members took the gold out of our safe. An hour later the rival raided back and got 122 Gold from us? How does this work?

[last ember]

Idk the exact formula for gold stolen but i know what matters.
Defender production and safe tier
How many gold nuggets in defender safe
Number of members in defending alliance (also counts members that isn't defending but not count rookies)
Empty space and debt in attacker safe

There is a minimum gold stolen based on production and safe alone, if there is less gold in the defender safe than the minimum, the defenders will get debt when robbed.

Despite my knowledge take it as a grain of salt for now (before bug fixes devs promise in 9.1) . Alliance feature is filled to the brim with display bugs

[bold ridge]

The system before update is clear. You lost the Minimum of your production. But this now is totally crazy.

[last ember]

Wdym exactly, you got less gold now so attackers get reduced minimum
Or devs removed the minimum gold stolen feature?

[bold ridge]

Idk what devs have done. We took 126 Gold, cleared our safe and the rival took 122 back. Where do this 122 came from? Our production is 47.

[last ember]

Raiders can loot more than production always, i think its around production x number of members as maximum

[bold ridge]

But the second raider just took 25 back, while we got 25 from him too.

[last ember]

Because either he is a solo or a low tier

[bold ridge]

The one with 122 was a Solo, too.

[last ember]

Probably display bugs, idk wether its actually the gold display or his alliance preview that is bugged

[bold ridge]

It’s totally unclear how it works.

[bold ridge]

Maybe.

[last ember]

Dont use info from 9.0 experiences

[bold ridge]

Forget 9.0 - is a great idea. 🤣

[bold ridge]

It looks like gold is still going into debt. If we have to re-produce about 150 Gold, this will take three days.
Is raiding still worth it if it works like that?

I would really appreciate it if we could get a detailed breakdown of how many points each item earns in the gold rush and how the gold works during raids

[last ember]

Raiding was never the better option than making new gold producing alliances. Imagine the big picture if everyone is a part of fewer big alliances, the gold production per people in WLS globally would be less than if everyone has their own alliance.

So maybe this "bug" that creates nuggets out of thin air during raids is the answer for devs to incentivize people making real alliances all along.

[bold ridge]

So the system still supports solos instead of real alliances.

[last ember]

Always have been

[tawny trail]

Same here. and I've got a better one for you. We looted 16 gold nuggets and 5/6 that we were in game that moment we all got 16 nuggets. This happened 2-3 times.

Another day an alliance took from us 120 gold while me and my leader have just previously collected 5 nuggets from our safe which hold 16 nuggets. Our daily income is 63 nuggets and we are 6 members. In addition we raid back, we gained 80 nuggets and I collected only 5. Mathematics are wrong.

[bold ridge]

It‘s weird. Totally broken.

[fallow dew]

And the scoring is different also

[deft thicket]

As a solo Alliance, I did a revenge raid, looted 15 gold and only received 5...

[rapid compass]

It's normal—10 gold was used to settle your gold debt, and you received the remaining 5.

[last ember]

Is there a bug where debt is not shown?

[rapid compass]

No, why? You can see how much you are in gold debt in Alliance safe

[bold ridge]

For me no debt is shown.

And it’s totally unclear, how it is counted how much gold you loose.

[last ember]

I have seen some people think they have their gold production "paused" i suspect its because they got raided but not shown the gold debt.

[rapid compass]

If you see something like this on your safe, that means you are in gold debt.

[bold ridge]

This message didn’t appear since the update was released.

[rapid compass]

I pretty sure it shows, I haven't faced any bugs like this

[rapid compass]

Are you sure? Even after an opponent raided your clan? Maybe the message didn’t appear because your safe already had enough gold for them to take. This notification only shows when the opponent takes gold directly from your gold mine.

[bold ridge]

Yes, I am sure.
I wrote down the stolen and stolen back gold from the logs. It’s totally unclear.
We were raided and lost 43 - we raided back and got 40.
We raided and got 25 - raid back we lost 25.
We raided and got 126 - raid back we lost 122 (our safe was cleared by our members)
We raided and got 25 - raid back lost 25.
Never ever this message showed up.

It’s totally different from the old system.

[last ember]

See, im not the only one, but maybe this problem is only for some but not all people

I also did check safe immediately when i got attacked mid game so definitely a bug rather than debt resolved over time

[rapid compass]

After all this and the message didn't appear, well there is one thing I could think of. Its a bug

[rapid compass]

Yeah, since only few ppl are facing this bug. You guys should contact support.

[bold ridge]

One more 🙈

[deft thicket]

What's gold debt??

[last ember]

When raiders take more gold than the safe has the ones getting raided gets gold debt, having gold debt will have your gold production paused or reduce your loot until the gold debt is paid.

Also, gold debt is collective not personal. So the ones who has more gold in the safe loses more gold than the ones who just collected them

[rapid compass]

Gold production doesn't get paused when you are in gold debt.

[last ember]

Sorry i meant you getting gold will be paused. Since gold production is currently paying off the debt first

[bold ridge]

Next strange situation.
We raided and got 81 gold. A few members took the gold out of the safe, some don’t.
We got raided back an hour later and lost 159 gold.
I really would like to know how this new system works.

[brazen fulcrum]

So there is no point in clearing your safe before someone raids you? Like it isnt possible to get raided and lose zero gold?

[last ember]

You will lose less gold when you clear your safe, but you still lose gold. Also people who don't clear their safe is the main victims in the alliance that loses gold as they lose the most

[rapid compass]

Reported this issue

One more thing, do you have any rookies in your clan?

[last ember]

There is a bug where rookies takes away gold share?

[rapid compass]

The issue is not with passive gold production but with raid gold. Rookies can’t claim the gold, but they can see it when they go to the HQ to claim gold. Because of this, many clans are losing gold in abnormal amounts after raids.

At first, I thought this was just a normal part of the gold debt system and full fledged members not claiming their gold, but after investigating with a friend, we confirmed that the gold lost during raids includes both members’ and rookies’ unclaimed gold. Since rookies can’t actually claim it, the gold remains stuck.

I have already reported this issue to the developers and am currently waiting for their response.

[last ember]

So does that mean i can get my gold back by kicking rookies or is someones gold share deleted when i kick them

[rapid compass]

I think the gold will disappear. I haven't tested this yet.

[last ember]

Ok, me and my deputy will start kicking rookies tomorrow to experiment

[rapid compass]

Alright

[bold ridge]

Yes we do have Rookies. Do we loose more gold because of them? This makes no sense. Rookie system has nothing to do with gold, I think?

[rapid compass]

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[bold ridge]

This is crazy 🤪

[rapid compass]

Indeed and it's confusing.

[frigid remnant]

I think rookies can take gold

[bold ridge]

We’ve never tried, thought they can’t?

[bold ridge]

No, they can’t. They even cannot see that there is gold in the safe.

[frigid remnant]

They can and they can take it

But space told me that they can’t keep it

[bold ridge]

I tried a few minutes before after we raided a base. For my Rookie it doesn’t work.

[frigid remnant]

Maybe it only does it for some alliances, maybe reason we lose a bunch of gold

I have a video of one of our rookies taking gold

[frigid remnant]

And we raided I think you guys everyone collected, you revenged we produce 70 or so and you got got over 100+

[bold ridge]

Yes, the system to count gold is crazy. I can’t see any logic in it.

Your bad luck while raiding us was that Silent Collective took the pot before you came. They got 198 from us. 🙈

[frigid remnant]

Well I like them so I’m not mad

More mad that fire could have left before update instead of majority of us farming all night to get extra member then him leaving a week after patch

Talk about a dbag

[bold ridge]

Don’t be mad. He farmed for apc like you all did. And he had his reasons to leave. I‘m sure he told you guys.
That’s nothing to put my hands in.

[frigid remnant]

Ehh just wished he left before patch is all he had plenty of time

[bold ridge]

No one knew that the members will be reduced.

[frigid remnant]

It was known before patch that’s why majority of us farmed are ass’s off to finish a bunk to have more members but it’s all good he learned a little while he was here he’s a good player he will be fine

[bold ridge]

I‘m sure he will. And you all too.

[rapid compass]

You can claim gold from your gold safe in two ways:

1. By going inside the HQ and claiming the gold directly from the gold safe.

2. From outside the HQ—when you click the upgrade box, you'll see the details, and at the bottom, there's a "Collect" button to claim your gold.

From my perspective, rookies can claim gold using the second method. Try it out. However, keep in mind that rookies can't keep the gold they claim, nor can they spend it.

[bold ridge]

Thx. Will try the second way. First one didn’t work.

[bold ridge]

Second way works but not for every Rookie. After restarting the game gold is 0 again für the Rookie