Unfair competition 3 weeks in a row

[oak falcon]

How is it possible some players still play without latest update? How can you let them compete with others? Difference between number 1 and number 2 is caused by different version of Canyon trials. You made 29 easy, but 35 unplayable now, which caused ofc big mess in top league. It was acceptable and understandable 1st week, but come on...it's 3rd week now. When it stops?

[toxic sorrel]

You mean that vorobey doesnt have the latest update. He passed wave 29 but then he profited from an easy 35?

[oak falcon]

Indeed, no one is able to pass 35 in 6.2, it's impossible.

[toxic sorrel]

I agree to that

[leaden pendant]

Trails are starting to be just bs

[toxic sorrel]

Huge improvement with 6.2.

[leaden pendant]

I just cant see what i am fighting for

[red minnow]

I get it, It's frustrating, and I'm doing my best to reach out to the devs for more info. Hang in there, and thanks for your patience!👍

[red tulip]

Hi there. Everyone will be forced to play new version of the game in a few days. At the same time, Wave 35 is a boss fight. It was almost unchanged. It is challenging both for players on 6.1 and 6.2. But it's worth mentioning that Wendigo is way more challenging then Dsonokva, for example.

[oak falcon]

boss fight is 36

this is new 35

[red tulip]

Oh. Yep, my bad. Anyway mostly changed were waves closer to the 29th.

[oak falcon]

35 was piece of cake before 6.2, now it's impossible to beat so I think it was changed a lot 😁

[red tulip]

Force update will come as usually as soon all platforms get a new version. This should happen in a few days.

[oak falcon]

ok, thanks 👍

[red tulip]

Try attack speed build and use a rifle. Running instantly closer to the borders. They say that some players use epic armor to pass this wave.

Saying the truth, personally I am not a pro canyon player. But we have players who pass 35 waves on version 6.2.

[oak falcon]

Come on...there is not any trick for 35, trust me, not even with full epic, its about 20 epic shots to kill one single enemy. If anyone can kill at least one ghost can consider self canyon master. I'm pro canyon player btw. 🙂

[leaden pendant]

Oh yes
Further buffing enemies there both by overal stats and numbers
Some even says that wave 29 is same as before

Wave 27 is no go for some

[red tulip]

This is literally not true. Wave 29 became way easier. And statistics shows that much more players pass it now.

[red minnow]

Well, some didnt have the right stat, and right equipment to pass to do the wave 29, trust me I tried, it's easy now

[leaden pendant]

Hunters hp got drasticaly increased from 600 something to 1,2k

[leaden pendant]

I am not even gonna go for that wave
2 sets is still way to high price to pay for chance for 14+ ring

[red tulip]

I pass 28 waves in one Gunslinger armor set (uncommon T5) + 1 Sheriff Armor Set for wave 29.

[oak falcon]

I confirm, 29 cost me now about one half of sheriff set in 6.2, it was about 2 sets before update 👍

[leaden pendant]

28 is boss wave

[red minnow]

Yeah WS cowboy knows

[leaden pendant]

Might take it back on wave 29
But wave 27 have like doubled enemy count

Whole sheriffs set was down and i took the least hits possible
Before it was possible with gunslinger set

[leaden pendant]

Idk why 28 wave was mentioned

Anyway if u wanna do stuff in Canyon trails dedicate whole update for it with proper patch notes

Suddenly finding out that what u did before no longer works its not nice

[red minnow]

Cause of wave 27, he used one gunfighter set, for 1 to 28

[red minnow]

Change your stat I guess

[warm dragon]

many people reached 36 so no not that impossible

[oak falcon]

🤦

I reached wave 45 few months ago

[warm dragon]

also some people that didnt put any badges doesnt mean they didnt update the game

[warm dragon]

ye b4 shotguns nerf

[warm dragon]

they use network bug so with that they pass them

[oak falcon]

ok 😄

[toxic sorrel]

I complain a lot but this time i must say you guys did a great job improving how difficulty of waves progresses.

its a lot smoother now

[leaden pendant]

Still have complain about hunter hp jump in waves but yeah
Kinda smooth

[toxic sorrel]

i hope this is a first step and you can improve it even further. For example, before the update Fabik was reaching wave 45, so now its impossible for him to get closer to get the rings he was getting in the past. Even worse for the rest of us that dont even dream about reaching so high. Please think about making a little bit easier overall, so that waves that were reachable before can be reached again. Otherwise we lose the sense of self improvement

[oak falcon]

I agree and don't have problem how challenging it is now, I like it 👍 complain was about differencies between both versions and therefore significant advantage for top players who didn't updated yet...that's the fact. And it takes several weeks now.

On the other hand those who struggled and couldn't beat 29 before the update have better chance now, issue I mentioned affects only those who were able to make 36 waves before 6.2.

Vorobey guy on the picture is one of them.

Jewelry is another important topic which was unfortunately never considered. There are still players with 30+ jewelry. I'm definitely for the nerf to 20 max to make fair conditions for everyone. Even if I loose my precious hardly earned rings 24.

Currently the best ring anyone can get is 19 for 34 waves.

[toxic sorrel]

you mean automatically make all jewelry above 20 to become lvl 20. But still higher levels couldbe gained again by reaching higher waves or by crafting?

[oak falcon]

Yes, to make all 21 and higher rings 20...fresh start for everyone. Fair for everyone considering the fact that new players need to finish wave 34 approximately 300 times to get one ring 24...and we all know what sci-fi rings have some players around (30+, I've seen also 40+)

[toxic sorrel]

i think its a great idea. I hope @red tulip can bring this up for consideration.

or change the rewards so that we start getting 30+ rings at wave 34

something to close the gap

[oak falcon]

exactly

[toxic sorrel]

i dont mind that older players have a head start (e.g. much higher blueprint level), the problem is that i dont have the same oportunities to reach those rings

[oak falcon]

Yeah, that's what I say last 3 years, right after first canyon revolution (they removed possibility to use wagon for changing equipment and made it harder, so highest possible achieved wave dropped from 80+ to 45) Yet rings for those who made benefit from it remained...that's why I'm sceptical it ever happen. Instead they tried to "rebalance" the game by nerfing backpacks, which was terrible idea. Higher lvl backpacks are still available for everyone after all.

[leaden pendant]

Ngl i would start going for such numbers of that would be the case

[toxic sorrel]

I didnt know wagon access was the reason. They could enable that access again..

[oak falcon]

I don't think it would help much now, Canyon in the past was in total way easier + possible to use double as much equipment. If wagon was possible to use now, it could help top players reach maybe wave 37, my opinion.

[toxic sorrel]

Ok. Anyway worth adding other options to the discussion.

[red tulip]

Do you remember the community reaction to the high-level backpacks nerf? We're not going to nerf already-owned rings.

[oak falcon]

Cause backpack nerf was stupid idea, this is not 😁 two completely different things...major difference is high level backpacks are still available for everyone, there was not change in the gameplay. High level jewelry is not available anymore, there was huge change in game play.

[oak falcon]

One simple fact: you need more than 170.000 rings 19 (highest possible now) for one ring 30. In the past ring 30 was possible to get from one average Canyon round 🤷

[toxic sorrel]

Plus 50 million silver coins

[toxic sorrel]

My favourite option is not to nerf anything already owned but to give us a way to also get similar rings. E.g. start rewarding +29 rings at wave 35-36

[late sparrow]

Why shouldn’t rings that now give people an unfair advantage be adjusted?

[toxic sorrel]

The unfair advantage comes from the fact that currently those rings are unobtainable even if someone spends 100 million euros or plays 100 years non stop 24/7

Their owners got them in a fair way

So why not find a fair way to other players to have the same oportunity?

Unfortunately this doesnt seem to be in the radar of helios because its been going on for years

Lets hope this post does some good

[twin veldt]

Why not take it to its logical conclusion? If fairness is paramount and the panacea, no more chests, storage, blueprint levels, silver, gold, etc. Every time you log on, you start fresh at level 1 with a log and rock. Only way to guarantee fairness.

[leaden pendant]

Thats worse than any other survival game out there

[oak falcon]

What's logical about this? This is absolutely out of the point of this topic. @toxic sorrel got the point, it's about same oportunities, not same stuff. It's like car race became bike race, but some players were still allowed to use car.

[warm dragon]

well thats the sad point people who had epic gears or was able to use wagon for CT got so many high rings and this was kinda unfair for f2p players or newbies they used that trick when they was able too even def stat users used the stats as they could too

in fact we had to use these tricks when they were in game now they are removed we cant just say that why those who used those tricks got alot of powerful rings

[twin veldt]

No it’s exactly the point. But yeah sarcasm doesn’t translate well.

[red tulip]

Nice try

[leaden pendant]

But he got the point

[oak falcon]

just waste of time here

[late sparrow]

If you can’t beat em join em 😆

[oak falcon]

I don't care anymore, I'm happy with my rings...not good message for new players tho 🤷

[leaden pendant]

Maybe they will nerf backpacks again for no reason