Gameplay chat

[nocturne ledge]

Or

Fake

[rain cairn]

Its joke

Never thought someone would ask this tho

[crystal bay]

Well, your idea will be meta🤣

[crystal bay]

😂

[elfin trout]

I have one croc leather, so slow down on this game breaking update 😵‍💫

[neat nymph]

Damn, I got my westland pannier now

[rain cairn]

It sure will
Mainly new stat
Emotional dmg

[rain cairn]

And one more thing

• Range 12+ (depends on hp, lower hp, more range , 12 is the bare minimum)

[uneven glen]

so your slippers is throwable? is it the 1 that most mom use on their kids?

[lavish badge]

Guys

Is it actually worth it to grind the ship and reach the swamps?

[elfin trout]

If you want to farm t5 materials, that’s really the way to do it

[uneven glen]

finally got the 75 sugar deals 😂😂

[crystal bay]

Lol, nice

[crystal bay]

Yeah, it is worth it, and you should do it tho

[somber patrol]

Nice

[nocturne ledge]

Hello I want to join a alliance

[crystal bay]

#1097545731549708358

[nocturne ledge]

I know that I have to go there the leader is not active right now.

[crystal bay]

Okay, what is your lvl tho

[nocturne ledge]

Lvl 70

Almost 71

[crystal bay]

Focus on your character 🙃

[nocturne ledge]

Mean

[rain cairn]

Thats not a mean
U are Lucky if someone take u in at lvl80
Aliances takes people on lvl100+ who have something to offer

[nocturne ledge]

Okie

[tight sedge]

How much did it cost?!

[floral bison]

Guys
Look at this
T4 horse😐

[rain cairn]

Damn

Nice

I got t4 but with that black color

[crystal bay]

That pretty good

[uneven glen]

if it converts to us. then around 5 bucks

[tight sedge]

Wow - good deal! It’s $10 for me! 😩

[uneven glen]

i have uncommon ranger backpack. is it worth it to upgrade to the rare?

[west tangle]

ill say wait for a better bp or wait till bp5 b4 upgrading, u will get +8atk spd, extra but u gonna have to build it again if u get to bp 5...

But again its ur choice how u want to play it

[uneven glen]

ahh. good to know. cause i was wondering if +8 atk speed is even worth it for bp2

[west tangle]

Not at bp2 ill say any rare bp from bp3+ make it, cause the wait can be gruelling to get a bp to lvl 5

[uneven glen]

how to get more rare tubes?

cause what ive been struggling is getting better bp. especially weapon

[crystal bay]

Buy it from town

[uneven glen]

feels like im stuck in farming and repairing the current weapons that i have

[crystal bay]

Do daily quests and buy rare tube, vip would make it easier

[west tangle]

I started to make all my rare bp's for backpack and armour from bp3, guns i did make 1 of each rare weapon from bp 1 though

[crystal bay]

That's nice

[west tangle]

Lol i had to survive

[crystal bay]

Do daily task

[uneven glen]

for getting silvers?

[crystal bay]

Ik lol😂

[crystal bay]

Yeah, and also resources for your weapon, blew up hideout base for extra resources

[uneven glen]

ah the hideout. hate it lol. i did northern blood hard. even finding the maps the enemies lv90-100 lol

had to use t4 armor and bring torches with me so i wont freeze to death

[rain cairn]

You can use t4 with bear cap

Works fine and if u use houses as Shield same set (lets assume its lvl1) can be used for next 2 north blood quests

[crystal bay]

Well buy rare weapons from trader and hit and run

[rain cairn]

Damm officer saber is fire
I brough down cost almost by 2 times

When doing chromite mine

[ivory berry]

Guys what's the best way to farm Strong Leather/ Perfect Hide?

[rain cairn]

1. Shallow lake (strong leather)
   I personaly kill buffalos there with useless t5 melee from daily quests

2. marshes any farming locations (perfect hide)

[crystal bay]

As templar said, shallow lake is good for strong leather, you should kill buffalo's and it drops around 6-8 leather, and for perfect hide, if you haven't unlock deepwater, you could farm it in shallow by killing bear, mature wolf and jaguar, or you could buy it in southern trader

[rain cairn]

There is this thing when u got buffalo quest
You can keep killing them
When quest is active more of them will spawn

So good farm of leather

With some spirit actaul gain is more than 80%of used goods

Like u use trash to get treasure

[crystal bay]

Actually buffalo don't spawn more for the quest tho😅

[rain cairn]

They sure do

Normaly 2 if lucky

2-4 with quest

[crystal bay]

I always get 2 in shallow lake

[rain cairn]

Did enough locations to confirm it

[crystal bay]

Okay, great

So did you unlock deepwater?

[rain cairn]

Not yet
I could but dont have t5 repair table yet

[crystal bay]

Oh, okay

[rain cairn]

And i dont wanna go there to use up all t5 weapons before having that bench

Marshal do i perhaps know how much coins it cost to fully skip 12 days timer ?

[rain cairn]

Dont wanna argue for that
For me it seems there are more buffalos when quest is active

[crystal bay]

Lucky you🥲

[uneven glen]

buffalos quest?

[crystal bay]

931 coins

[crystal bay]

Yeah, it's a hunting quest

[uneven glen]

on daily?

[crystal bay]

Yeah

[rain cairn]

So 700 something coins away

U sure tho?

[crystal bay]

Its in my WS note, I guess yeah😅

[rain cairn]

Nice

[crystal bay]

Not bad

Lol, I am #1

[uneven glen]

so basically what i should do is. do daily quest to collect silver? then buy rare tubes in town

[crystal bay]

Exactly

[quasi salmon]

5

[crystal bay]

?

[solar cliff]

guys is springfield .58 rifle worth to craft?

[rain cairn]

Nope

If anything than sharps rifle is best to craft from t3

[crystal bay]

Depends on your lvl and bp

[somber patrol]

Spacemarshals is correct

[crystal bay]

True

[solar cliff]

lvl 54

[somber patrol]

If the weapon can deal with the enemies you are currently facing then yes it is good, if else it is not

what level is your springfield

[solar cliff]

is it good for northen zones cuz i need to survive in iron ine

mine*

[rain cairn]

Sprinfied is terrible weapon no doubts

[solar cliff]

wdym my lvl

[crystal bay]

Lvl 5 is good, but you'll have to 2 shot or 3 shot

[crystal bay]

Blueprint lvl

[solar cliff]

oh its lvl 2

[rain cairn]

Such weapon wont cut it in irone mines due to slow speed and small dura

[crystal bay]

Well, not for beginners tho

[rain cairn]

I never used it up in north

[solar cliff]

Well there is another option folding shotgun

[rain cairn]

Not a single time

[crystal bay]

Well mate I'll suggest you to not yo use it in mines

[rain cairn]

You better not go there if sprinfied is best u can do

[crystal bay]

Mines yes, but to hunt sheep is okay

[crystal bay]

Yeah take that

[somber patrol]

Shotguns are good for mines

[rain cairn]

I use lvl1 t5 bows for that cuz i can and its junk anyway

[solar cliff]

k ty

[rain cairn]

Yea shotguns are good there
Bockflinte is very good there

[crystal bay]

Some don't have it tho

[rain cairn]

Ik
Its just what i do

[crystal bay]

That's a good thing

[rain cairn]

Recently upgraded my equipment
Made new batch of t4 rare armor
Lvl3

Until now i was using and fixing lvl1 rare t4

[crystal bay]

That'd nice, mate gg, lvl5 will be great for everything tho

[solar cliff]

and btw is the best skill to upgrade is spirit?

[rain cairn]

U need like 80 in total
Rest 25 can be covered by t5 chief backpack

105 is way to go

Unless u are rich af or aliance enforcer

[solar cliff]

so when i would get 80 spirit should i go for dmg or defense or atk speed?

[crystal bay]

Yeah, beginners need spirit

[crystal bay]

Def

[rain cairn]

Dmg and defense not rly
Speed is way to go then

Of course unless u are aliance enforcer

[solar cliff]

which one xd?

[crystal bay]

Well def save you heals and armor tho

[rain cairn]

Those few points are not even worth saving

[crystal bay]

Well they increase the percentage tho

[rain cairn]

It can be crucial when u are in frontlines

Other than that is no good

[somber patrol]

Defense per point gets worse the higher the number is

[rain cairn]

Waste of points

[somber patrol]

If you add a few defense points, it will save armor a lot of damage

[rain cairn]

Thats why its dogwater

[crystal bay]

Spirit currently

[solar cliff]

k

[somber patrol]

Spirit is good for farming

[solar cliff]

yea its saving me from the animals

[rain cairn]

Ngl i will just do my stuff and ocasionaly donate stuff to ali

Defense is no good for me personaly

Dmg can be good too to help u reach Certain hp sweet spots

[crystal bay]

Okay, you haven't tried it yet

[crystal bay]

Well, currently some bench gears can increase dmg

[rain cairn]

And i never will
If thats is meta it doesnt concern me at all

[rain cairn]

Ik

[somber patrol]

You dont need to put a lot of points into defense, only a few points

[crystal bay]

Right

[rain cairn]

Trying russian rullet on cultist camp aint da way tho

[crystal bay]

Okay okay😂, everyone have different play styles

[somber patrol]

its good for cultist camp because instead of the damage going to your armors health, it gets sent into your rings and stat points which have no durability

[crystal bay]

True

[rain cairn]

Lets say strongest cultist basic enemy does like 50-77 with t5 armor
If 3 points will be deducted with all that defense in atributes
Nah that aint worth it
You dont need to worry for your armor if enemy perish before they even touch u

But yes what i seen on yt cultist camp is hell on earth

Something similar can be found in grimsoul
Its called heroic forsaken dungeon

[crystal bay]

I understand your POV

[somber patrol]

I will go test defense stat

and show numbers

[crystal bay]

I already have def

With all defence and sheriff I get, solid 94% something

With ring ofc

[rain cairn]

Good for u

If your are in frontlines in ali raids thats crucial

Cannot deny that

These few % can save
Btw more % there are
More dmg armor will get tho

[crystal bay]

You mean dmg % or def?

[rain cairn]

Def

More reduction u got
Less dmg u get meaning armor will get more

[crystal bay]

Yes

[rain cairn]

Naturaly if Armor reduction takes away more dmg
It will be divided randomly to r Armor parts

Those mentioned undestructible defense points if they are take first batch of dmg wont do much
Whats lets say 60 def
Not even 1% of dmg

Will be back soon

[somber patrol]

Guys i make big discovery

Def stat is even better than i thought

when you receive damage, damage is first sent through rings and stat points

But then when it is sent to your armor, the damage that wasnt subtracted is RECALCULATED using the armor defense stat

I will show my findings

[crystal bay]

Yes

That's y def is best

[somber patrol]

No armor this man does 20 damage

Using an +8 defense ring it now takes %5 percent off

1373 defense gunfighter set takes away 75%

+8 defense rings plus 1373 defense gunfighter set now takes away more than the two stats alone combined

[rain cairn]

You dont need to try it like that
Just tap on def atribute to show us

[crystal bay]

He is explaining it

[rain cairn]

Ik

So keep going

Wanna see those miracle def atribute stats

[crystal bay]

and he is done

[rain cairn]

Thats it?

Lets say it does help greatly defense wise

More defense means more dmg taken by armor

Lets say that gunslinger t5 was it right?

1381 defense points in total
100% from certain stats

[crystal bay]

https://support.westland-survival.com/hc/en-us/articles/4404039157905-Defense

[rain cairn]

Ik

Doing my part

[crystal bay]

And you are right

[rain cairn]

Mu turn to explain why i deem that defense points are pointless from my pov

[crystal bay]

Okay let's hear it

[rain cairn]

So that 1381 is full defense (8+ ring is already taken into account)

Will be back shortly

[elfin trout]

My understanding was that defense actually reduces the damage your armor takes, making it last longer

[crystal bay]

Right, basic stat and rings will receive the dmg first rest will be distributed to armors

[flint oriole]

@crystal bay do you have the defense chart of how it works? I tested that the trinket plus defense points increases dmg reduction steadly till 100 points, after that the points have far less effect in dmg reduction and then go to the armor

[somber patrol]

Basically, despite being 1/171 the value of the 1373 armor stat, it is able to do 13% of its job

Sorry i got pulled away to do something else for a second

@rain cairn

And that extra 13% of damage reduction is completely nullified and does not go to your armor

And thats only with a +8 ring, its get even better

This is with 31 points of ring defense

It takes away 5 damage

This is with 1373 points of armor defense

It takes away 17 points

Its only 2.2% of the armor defense stat, yet its able to absorb 29% of the same damage

And this damage is completely nullified, meaning it does not go to your armors durability

And because both of these numbers work based off of percentages, the benefits are multiplied when you use both of them together

@jagged flower Idk if you can explain this concept better

[rain cairn]

So can u share 1381 and 1373 % stat ?

@somber patrol

[somber patrol]

Sure

[rain cairn]

Its hard to do meth with stuff devs aplied with defense tho

So i will try my best to prove my point

I will work with 1275 dmg with current armor

To prove my point

[somber patrol]

First is without

Second is with

[rain cairn]

That defense does nothing or is actualy bad

[rain cairn]

I meant %
When u tap on def.stats in inventory

[somber patrol]

The 3% is completely nullified

This is only with 16+ ring

This is with 31+

6% completely ignored

It may not seem like a lot at first, but in canyon trials when you are getting swarmed with 50 animals that 6% is determining whether your armor breaks or not

#1097561377268318299 message

[rain cairn]

Never mind
You made solid claim
Its way to hard to do meth with defense points system devs did
You sure are Lucky since meth is no go for me

[small lagoon]

Sorry to break the discussion on defense, but I just noticed that while doing the Northern Blood daily task, the buildings at the Hideout spot are "dynamite-able". Has anyone blown into them? Is there anything in them?

[rain cairn]

I sure did

Some t5 goods

[rain cairn]

T4 armor or t5 gun parts

Its only worth to blow them up when its t3 walls

[jagged flower]

All the temporary bandit hideouts from the daily bounty quests have buildings to use dynamite on, and the number of dynamite needed generally increases with the quest difficulty, easy/med/hard.

Just remember to dynamite doors or windows, never walls

[tight sedge]

Make sure you dynamite doors and windows…saved your dynamite!

[jagged flower]

You explained it well. The basics are simple as you’ve described- damage is first reduced by your def stat, jewelry, and pack defense scores as absolute damage reduction. Then the remaining damage is reduced by armor worn (with the damage reducing its durability), and any damage after that is passed on to your health pool.

As your math above shows, 1 point of def stat/jewelry/pack has a much greater effect than 1 point of armor defense.

But also noted above, it does taper off (parabolically) so at very high levels you need more and more def points for a smaller gain in damage reduction.

At high def levels there isn’t a meta however - for example 100 def stat + 18 atk spd stat versus 118 def stat, assuming same jewelry. Its really personal preference and how much armor you want to save.

High atk spd can be an indirect way to save armor, because they die before they hit you. But each player finds a tipping point where, based on a ton of factors like gear BP levels, movement and cover tactics, stealth, taming and pets, etc, they start taking more health and durability damage than they are comfortable with, and that’s a good time to experiment with defense builds, either stat, jewelry, or both. You as a player decide how to balance lethality and tanking.

IMO - the only part of the game at this moment where one needs very high defense is CT waves 37+. All other parts of the game can be played using any build (spirit, spd, stealth, def) with the associated costs and consequences of that build.

[somber patrol]

Yes

This tipping point also exists for ATK SPD i find

so its a balance between those two

[crystal bay]

So many messages to read

A great explanation JA and chello really helpful, well done guys

[crystal bay]

Increasing defense points through trinkets and other means leads to a steady increase in damage reduction until reaching 100 points. After that, the effect on damage reduction becomes less significant, and the additional points start contributing more to your armor defense, determining how much damage your armor can absorb. Therefore, it's crucial to find the right balance between defense and armor to optimize your character's survival