🎖・multiplayer

[vagrant moat]

I got drako gte only and I'm near to unlock it cuz I'm lazy doing car hunt

[night breach]

I didn't even do the hunt

bad droprates for over 50 bps... yeah no

[vagrant moat]

Drop rates were good for me got 20 bps in 40 races xD

[night breach]

40 races 😵‍💫

for useless car 🤮

[honest pine]

i only have drako x4 bp

[night breach]

not even unlocked even 😵

I'll stop.

[vagrant moat]

It's good cuz I will get tokens

[night breach]

true

[keen dragon]

Skills Acura

[exotic iron]

@silent frigate sorry for that KD in the end of Starting Grind with the vanda. I really didn't mean to.
We were 3 players in the same line and I don't know how you were knowked down by me .

[silent frigate]

It s ok, no need to worry

[ebon obsidian]

it wouldn't

[plain pumice]

youtu.be/W5cc9gZf4Cc

[covert perch]

send me your name ID, I'll send you an invite from a good club(1.2mil+)

[keen dragon]

Skills Maserati

[keen dragon]

Skills Acura

[plain pumice]

All 7 races in Platinum were 1vs1

iOS MP official dead

[hushed wolf]

Everyone in iOS slaving mp2🗿

[covert perch]

scg breakdancer 😄

[plain pumice]

So it means GL should scrap MP2 to motivate people to play MP1

MP2 should have been for testing cars. Not a grind fest for useless milestones

Causing MP1 to be empty

[hushed wolf]

Yeah

3k milestone with good ranking reward should be mp2 reward

This 30k milestone is toxic

[plain pumice]

Toxic, mindless, stupid, meaningless and all other bad words

[hard hamlet]

I am quite disappointed with the AT96 performance in MP2

[plain pumice]

mp2 is really dirty

ppl 360ing and 360inf

lmao

[wary narwhal]

Less dirty players in top 1k

[minor wave]

30k in 1 week...
It takes me 1 and a half for mp1 to reach 30k

[covert perch]

agree

[covert perch]

agree

[covert perch]

low levels a full of toxic gamers, they are so haotic using vanda especially

[paper knot]

anyone else?

[hard hamlet]

The whole race is spammed with Vandas 360ing pushing and blocking

Even AT96 gets KDed

[covert perch]

try to go higher

[hard hamlet]

Wdym

I was pushed when going off a barrell ramp leading to incomplete barrell

4 races in a row

[paper knot]

use a vanda...duh

[hard hamlet]

80 rating lost

[paper knot]

R.I.P

[hard hamlet]

Bro Vanda only has 3 fuels

[paper knot]

how much rating u have now?

[hard hamlet]

I dont only play 3 races

1736

[paper knot]

ads

[paper knot]

I have 1 more than you lol

[hard hamlet]

From 1836, I lost 80 rating due to pushing when going off barrell and another 20 due to spinning and the car hitting a wall

Down to 1736

[paper knot]

what car do u use?

mostly

[hard hamlet]

I was pushed in a Vanda cos I started from 8th place

And had to catch up. I was pushed when trying to get ahead

[paper knot]

the vanda's the only reliable car for me

[hard hamlet]

Faced the same issue w AT96

[paper knot]

the techrules is debatable

and the 1mw is totally unreliable

[hard hamlet]

I find the Techrules drifting not very good

1MW has wider drifting than SSC🤮

Considering SSC having not very good drifting already

[paper knot]

floaty or punches

[covert perch]

not agree
1mw is a powerful car, but in the right hands

[paper knot]

*for me

[hard hamlet]

Well the acc is not very good and the drifting is very wide, so being pushed around is inevitable no matter how good one is

[paper knot]

drift speed is good, radius is trash

[paper knot]

vanda be like- i'mma end this whole man's career

[hard hamlet]

At gold SSC drifting is still bearable to be fair

[paper knot]

yeah..

[hard hamlet]

But the acc and nitro is good, so SSC doesn't feel sluggish in fact it feels quite nice to drive

Whereas 1MW feels sluggish even at gold

[paper knot]

agreed

[hard hamlet]

I mean I may have been spoilt by the Trion's drifting that I find 1MW drifting bad

[paper knot]

*for 1mw

[paper knot]

i've been spoilt by aspark's drifting

[hard hamlet]

Aspark has wide drifting

[paper knot]

it's better than 1mw tbh

[hard hamlet]

Yes

[paper knot]

emp

[hard hamlet]

But I think 1MW drifts slightly better than Regera

[paper knot]

never driven the regera

and spoilt by the rimac c_1

[austere trellis]

Owl's drifting isn't wide, it's slow

[paper knot]

i quite like it

especially in ghost SS

[austere trellis]

I wish it had more bounce, but it's tolerable to me

[paper knot]

yeah..

the f5's the beeest

[exotic iron]

Back to top 100 again 🥳

[paper knot]

anyone getting connection errors in mp2

??

[potent igloo]

Yep, I can not connect to the server

[austere trellis]

a lot of people are

[potent igloo]

on both MP

[ebon obsidian]

i get in the back and then catch up

[paper knot]

this one

?

[paper knot]

i just bump into a vanda and lose all my speed and die

[covert perch]

ok 🙂

[covert perch]

but on straight lines you can go far-far away that you'll have enough time gap in order to have wide drifting

[hard hamlet]

F5 is undoubtedly the king of MP but for most players who do not spend so much in A9, I think the SSC is the king of MP for F2P players.

[ebon obsidian]

who's hyperx

[hard hamlet]

Himalayas and Cairo dont appear that often

Seriously I do better in Auckland in a Trion than the 1MW in MP

[covert perch]

wow, congrats

[ebon obsidian]

speaking of himalayas

[covert perch]

I don't know, when I'm going with 1MW in elite class(1600+) in 95% I win
cause in every map you have long straight lines where you can gap another gamers

[covert perch]

4 seconds gape, that's amazing
congrats
that's what I'm speaking about

[hard hamlet]

I keep getting Subway Surfing, Uptown and those irritating Rome variants

All these favour agile cars

Ofc I win on Himalayas Cairo and some straighter NYC variants very easily

[covert perch]

yeah, some maps are very irritating for 1mw
but you have to relax :))

[hard hamlet]

I play MP2 solely for the packs

[noble lotus]

Both MP down..?

[covert perch]

1mw don't like agressive gaming 😄 she is like an italy woman, gentle, gentle 😄

[hard hamlet]

But I got Drako and Electric R only🤮. The only car relevant to me is Vanda

[covert perch]

oh, drako is like a cow

the worst car

[hard hamlet]

Vanda is so expensive to buy from LS at Lv 16

[covert perch]

agree, and too many bp's

[hard hamlet]

Though Vanda and 570s keep appearing for credits in LS at Lv 16 surprisingly

[ebon obsidian]

the electric season isn't that bad on it's own but boy are the cars it's introduced horrid

[hard hamlet]

570s is cheaper to max

[hard hamlet]

Car requirements kill the fun every single season

[covert perch]

agree, it's nice season
but some cars are useless(like drako)

[hard hamlet]

Except for maybe American season where the car requirements were easy but the SEs gave atrociously few BPs

[paper knot]

India?

[austere trellis]

disagree from a performance standpoint
IDR is weekly king on some tracks
C_One can beat the Battista on a couple tracks
1MW isn't bad, in fact it'll be very good in Ghost Slip

[paper knot]

?

[austere trellis]

Drako and TreZor useless though

[covert perch]

when it was?

[paper knot]

Drako is good...trezor is useless

[austere trellis]

no Drako isn't good

[covert perch]

trezor also, yeah

[noble lotus]

No i am in Belgium

[paper knot]

same here...

[austere trellis]

it's just a floaty 488

[ebon obsidian]

whoops, forgot to mention that i'm talking about the second part of it specifically

[paper knot]

mp2 and mp1 is down

[ebon obsidian]

toroidion isn't quite worth it

[covert perch]

488 is better than drako, except max speed

[paper knot]

beat vanda's, 1mw's and at96's in the first half

[austere trellis]

yeah second part is a letdown apart from 1MW, but what normal person is going for that anyway?

might as well save for Tutu

[paper knot]

Tuatara?

[covert perch]

if they don't know how to play 😄

[paper knot]

lol..yeah

nubs

[austere trellis]

other drivers must have sucked then

[ebon obsidian]

i absolutely hate driving vanda

[paper knot]

i love it actually tbh

[austere trellis]

the Vanda is just flat out boring

[ebon obsidian]

it feels so slow paced

[noble lotus]

Me too lol

[covert perch]

vanda is cool

[ebon obsidian]

there's no challenge

[paper knot]

i'm so used to driving GS

[austere trellis]

I'll drive it because it's good in this season but god it's such a crutch

[paper knot]

and its basically a buffed GS with a pn boost

[austere trellis]

it's just boring

[covert perch]

a little bit, 1mw is more fun 😄

[austere trellis]

until you get blocked

[paper knot]

that's a nuisance

[covert perch]

yeah 😄 but you can recover in 1mw :))

[austere trellis]

not really

[covert perch]

not always but very often

[austere trellis]

low nitro, pretty eh accel

[paper knot]

I just lose speed

[hard hamlet]

2020 Jun or so. Those 2 SEs in the American season had significantly easier car requirements than other SEs but in exchange the rewards were garbage

[covert perch]

the acceleration is pretty good after 300km/h

[paper knot]

low nitro is why i lose momentum

[austere trellis]

unless you're on a straightish track you're not catching anyone

[covert perch]

oh, I'm in game from july 2021 😄

[paper knot]

like NY

[austere trellis]

or you get blocked in the first 20%

[paper knot]

I just flew past everyone and thing

[austere trellis]

if you get blocked or knocked down in the last 70% you're toast

[ebon obsidian]

or shockwaved

[paper knot]

and you get behind due to worse accel

[covert perch]

that's right

[austere trellis]

actually that applies to every car tbh

[glass narwhal]

Out of silver hell . Woohoo

[austere trellis]

except maybe the C_Two

[hard hamlet]

Ah I see. SEs nowadays are very P2W. The last F2P SE could be either Veneno or Sian during Lambo season in Apr 2020

[covert perch]

if you get blocked from the start you can easy recover
the more close to the finish the less chances you have to recover

[ebon obsidian]

that is if you're neck and neck with them

[covert perch]

i see that it's full p2w, but today it's fun
maybe in platinum in classic MP I will change my mind

[ebon obsidian]

if you've gotten far away from them there's no way they're gonna catch up

[hard hamlet]

Plat in Classic MP is fine

[austere trellis]

playing a9 casually is fine nowadays

[paper knot]

I have 12k tokens

what do I do?

[hard hamlet]

If you have VLF or SV at high stars u can't do too badly

[austere trellis]

but start now and try to compete with top players, and you're not going anywhere unless you whale

[paper knot]

SV is pretty underrated

[austere trellis]

save.

[hard hamlet]

Cos those 2 are the best cars that beginner players can get

[austere trellis]

12k isn't enough

[paper knot]

how much?

[paper knot]

ik

[austere trellis]

at least 25k-30k

[paper knot]

gotcha.

[austere trellis]

then spend all on a good pack (not huracan please)

[plain pumice]

U r wrong, the AT96 bullies the vanda more

[paper knot]

nope.

[austere trellis]

I disagree

[covert perch]

actually don't can to go to platinum in classic, don't have cars to - but with maxed scg, 488, 3* - gt12, apollo, gs - i'll try to do my best

[hard hamlet]

The AT96 has poorer drifting than Vanda

[austere trellis]

the Vanda has better acceleration, handling, and nitro

[paper knot]

do floaties

[plain pumice]

Still

[covert perch]

yeah, SV is pretty good

[hard hamlet]

Floaties won't help that much

[paper knot]

it will ease past the vanda's

[plain pumice]

I got bullied by The AT96

[paper knot]

pudong rise disagrees

[hard hamlet]

Floaties are only good for very fast cars

[paper knot]

i got past 3 vandas

[austere trellis]

doesn't mean the AT96 doesn't get bullied itself

the Vanda bullies Vandas

[paper knot]

try once

[austere trellis]

it's just a Vanda thing

[hard hamlet]

I dont floaty in cars slower than 400 km/h except for Icona

[paper knot]

hey..its your choice

if u want to get past annoying vandas

[austere trellis]

don't go overboard with floating though

[hard hamlet]

I'm not sure but you don't do floaties round a 90 degree turn in NYC. Can the AT96 punch

[austere trellis]

not well

[paper knot]

occasional ones are fine

[paper knot]

its meh.

[austere trellis]

AT96 punch does next to nothing

[hard hamlet]

Cos floaties don't work around the NYC corners, cmiiw

Also is AT96 that good at floaty, it doesn't feel floaty

[austere trellis]

it's not great

[paper knot]

[austere trellis]

but it's better than the Owl I guess

[hard hamlet]

I rather drift normally in the AT96

[paper knot]

increases drift speed

[minor wave]

Not really
Its inferior to the 918 and VLF

[paper knot]

never said it's better😅

[austere trellis]

I know what floaties do

[hard hamlet]

Floaties can backfire if not done on the correct car or performed at incorrect places

[paper knot]

just saying

[austere trellis]

I've seen people trying to float E-Tenses, Huracans, Corvettes, Vandas, etc

[paper knot]

pah. what's the point

[austere trellis]

absolutely useless and slows you down

[hard hamlet]

Floaties only work on Icona, Trion, Jesko, F5 and maybe LVN

[paper knot]

i've floatied in the vanda as an instinct accidentally and kd'ed the 1mw behind me

[austere trellis]

there's a lot more actually

[hard hamlet]

Though I seen SSCs so called float at around 440 round Shangahi turns

[minor wave]

The term "underated"

A car thats good but no one really uses it

Im saying the SV is beyokd the point of underated now seeing how heavily inferior it is after so many new cars were added

570s on the other hand, is underated

[paper knot]

lycan

[ebon obsidian]

not a maybe, lvn is known for its godlike floaties

[paper knot]

Ghost SS

[minor wave]

I seen a floaty vanda yesterday
I laughed so hard 🤣

[austere trellis]

a car can have a mediocre float, but if it floats, it floats

[hard hamlet]

What are they though. I dont really bother to learn which are the floaty cars besides these few

[austere trellis]

Tuatara does indeed float

[paper knot]

SVJ

[austere trellis]

Lykan floats, Valhalla floats

[hard hamlet]

It doesn't feel floaty but it actually floats decently

[austere trellis]

570S floats

F1 LM floats

[paper knot]

even the murcielago ig

[austere trellis]

Speedtail floats

[paper knot]

yep

[austere trellis]

Chiron floats, though not that well

1MW floats

[paper knot]

Imola

[austere trellis]

Divo floats too much

[hard hamlet]

Ok I am not that aware there were so many floaty cars except for those few which are often talked about

[paper knot]

drifting's still wide tho

[austere trellis]

Imola used to do reverse floats

[ebon obsidian]

what's a reverse float

[paper knot]

what's that

[minor wave]

Any car that has a broken suspension basically

[austere trellis]

it's difficult to explain

[paper knot]

video?

[austere trellis]

iirc either the front wheel digs into the ground or the rear wheel lifts up

[paper knot]

until they patched

[austere trellis]

it was extremely good

[minor wave]

Fixed its handling

[ebon obsidian]

where it bounces up?

[paper knot]

the lego senna was good in that too

[hard hamlet]

I dont use that many cars (most just collect dust) so I dont know much about floaty capabilities of most cars

[paper knot]

*nrml floaty

[austere trellis]

found an old explanation

[hard hamlet]

I prefer punch than floaty as floaty backfire more often than punch

[austere trellis]

and yes it has since been removed

the front used to dig into the floor

[minor wave]

Floaty depends mainly on suspension i believe

The more grounded a car, the less it can float
The less grounded and bouncy it is, the more it can

[austere trellis]

gave it a very high drift speed without needing to initiate 360

[paper knot]

as a part of the umm stability fix

[hard hamlet]

I punch around turns in Auckland

If the car can punch that is

[paper knot]

auckland requires you to drift all the time

[paper knot]

mostly all cars can punch

[minor wave]

Depends on where u use the floaty and the type of car u do it

[paper knot]

(majority)

I punch in almost all cars

[hard hamlet]

I punch in Trion. So I can do quite well in Classic MP using a Trion in Auckland

[paper knot]

high drift speed is key

[ebon obsidian]

50% of the gameplay on auckland is wallriding so not quite

[austere trellis]

here's a reverse float

[hard hamlet]

Punching doesn't work for many cars though

[minor wave]

Not really
Once u learn auckland racing lines, drifting will be very utilized unless its hard turns

Which even for those hard turns
U can just wall ride

[austere trellis]

not really

the racing line doesn't involve that much wallriding actually

[stiff umbra]

weirdchamp

[paper knot]

but on starting grid i never rly drift all the time

[hard hamlet]

High drift speed is key in Auckland

Good drift radius also

[minor wave]

Only aucland variant for mp thts heavy on drifting is straights and hairpins

[paper knot]

yes

[hard hamlet]

How about Under Construction

[paper knot]

I have a 100% win record on that track

[minor wave]

Not quite
Mediocre handlong cars like the huarya can do very well there

[paper knot]

nitro is key too

to keep speed i mean

[hard hamlet]

Tbh Nitro is not very impt compared to drifting in Auckland

[ebon obsidian]

just generalize it with the term "agility"

[stiff umbra]

huayra has much better drift radius than some cars with 75 handling

[hard hamlet]

Nitro is not a very impt stat I would say

[paper knot]

ig its a positive fake stat

[stiff umbra]

yes

[minor wave]

Better than Huracan cough cough

[ebon obsidian]

yet again, handling doesn't always define a car's drifting radius

look at trezor

[austere trellis]

handling doesn't correlate to drifting radius

[paper knot]

yeah..top speed does too

[austere trellis]

it's the rate at which the car loses speed

[ebon obsidian]

top speed doesn't

[stiff umbra]

that stupid AT96...
why I take turns with Drako better than with this mess

[minor wave]

If it did
Trion
Jesko
F5
Etc
Would have issues

[hard hamlet]

Except for Griffith and possibly ATS Corsa, nitro doesn't really affect a car's performance drastically

[austere trellis]

yes it does

[minor wave]

Doesnt apply for all cars*

[austere trellis]

by having higher nitro you effectively increase your average top speed for longer

[austere trellis]

suspension is a factor too

[paper knot]

i was talking abt handling, not drifting

[hard hamlet]

I mean Acc and Speed is more impt than Nitro

[minor wave]

Yes

[austere trellis]

it's not that it doesn't apply, but it's not uniform across all cars

Furai's speed drops like a brick because it's so low to the ground

[paper knot]

F5

as well

[minor wave]

Cars have peoega handling but a tight drift radius🥴

[paper knot]

yeah..

[austere trellis]

you need to have a balance

[paper knot]

and most gp cars like c7r

[austere trellis]

a car with 90 accel and 450 km/h won't cope at all with 10 nitro

[minor wave]

F5 drifting would more to its suspension

[austere trellis]

it just wouldn't work

[hard hamlet]

Yes agreed

[minor wave]

Regera

[paper knot]

basically TS>Acc>Nitro>Handling

in most cases

[austere trellis]

it's not that black and white

[hard hamlet]

But except for Griffith and Corsa, I dont think nitro really hampers the car to such a great extent

[paper knot]

in events i mean

[austere trellis]

also not how it works

consider the balance of stats and the track the event takes place on

[ebon obsidian]

6 vandas okokokokok

[austere trellis]

why does the IDR dominate the NYC weekly?

[minor wave]

In most cases
Other times
TS matter the less if the gap is small and but support stat performace is huge

Compare the chiron and regera for eg
Chiron has better support stats than regera

[austere trellis]

despite not having the highest speed

[paper knot]

yeah...right

ok

i think i saw that in an a89 vid

[minor wave]

Speed only matters if the gap is big enough that the support stats wont matter

If the gap is close lets say under 15km
The performance will be heavily based on the support stats

[paper knot]

like how a jesko came flyyiing past my corvette on that final stretch in nevada

[minor wave]

A 500km monster vs a 345km pepega

[paper knot]

*343 not gold

lol

[minor wave]

And jesko drift speed still higher than a GS TS

[paper knot]

obvi

[austere trellis]

stat distribution in a9 is interesting

[minor wave]

Hmm

[austere trellis]

you can't have an excessive amount of a single stat without some balance

but at the same time, a car with full balance wouldn't be good because nothing excels

[paper knot]

yeah..

but acura kinda bucks that tend

mediocre handling

ok-ish TS

[austere trellis]

63 is actually pretty good

[paper knot]

great accel

and avg nitro

[austere trellis]

your point being

[paper knot]

its a well rounded car

[austere trellis]

it still excels in acceleration

not really a good example if you ask me

[paper knot]

oh..ok

how abt c_2?

[austere trellis]

also excels in acceleration

not a good example

[paper knot]

you mean all stats balanced

?

ok..

[austere trellis]

a car with full balance to everything would be decent but it wouldn't really be a king of anything

nothing for it to excel in

[paper knot]

cx75

wait..it has bad accel

Gallardo!

that's one right?

[ebon obsidian]

what about it

[paper knot]

this

[ebon obsidian]

gallardo has terrible accel and nitro

for the rank at least

[austere trellis]

gallardo has above average handling as well as stellar speed for c class

[minor wave]

Most of class A basically

[austere trellis]

try again

[ebon obsidian]

nitro may be mediocre but the acceleration is ew

[minor wave]

I.e
The J
Sc20
Gently

Some others

[austere trellis]

the best example I would say is the SC20, in comparison to its fellow high A Class members

everything is average for a high A Class car

[minor wave]

Class A is the most balanced class tbh

[paper knot]

SC20 is trash

[austere trellis]

exactly

it's terrible for its rank

[exotic iron]

3rd and -15 😑

[minor wave]

Higher league...

[paper knot]

tributo is way better

[minor wave]

And most rating in the lobby

[wintry notch]

Guys....any idea why the UNBREAKABLE Multiplayer series was not continued??

[austere trellis]

it was hated

[paper knot]

dunno..bad feedback

[austere trellis]

terrible season

[paper knot]

you said it first lol

[minor wave]

The mlst hated mp

Classuc is better than it by a landslide

[ebon obsidian]

too chaotic

[paper knot]

kept getting pushed

would be interesting if you couldn't wreck

at all

so unbreakable

[austere trellis]

worse

[paper knot]

?

[minor wave]

I would prefer classic over it

Ram fest 24/7 especially in gold

[austere trellis]

bounce off a wall and just get turned around

useless

[paper knot]

yeah..

[minor wave]

Unbreakable was more dirty than classic

[paper knot]

how abt a season where you press G or tap somewhere you could ghost

[minor wave]

A pepega could either
A. force u to take a longer route
B. Throw u into a wall or petestrian car
C. Continuously block and nuke TS

[paper knot]

the more you ghost the lesser points u earn

[minor wave]

Pls no

[paper knot]

Yeah...relatable

[paper knot]

would be bad..no?

[minor wave]

Just make mp1 ghost only
Not my fault most cant drive

[paper knot]

exactly

[austere trellis]

ghost gets boring sometimes

[minor wave]

Rely on skill rather than a crutch

[austere trellis]

the cycle is okay as it is, needs a few more game modes and we're fine if you ask me

[minor wave]

As long as i dont die or 360ed by some pepega in a slower car

[paper knot]

keep getting bumped, pushed or kd'ed and then that guy who kd'ed me uses a laughing emoji

[ebon obsidian]

the rewards are terrible

why would i want gs

[minor wave]

They better fix the servers b4 they add any mp game modes

[minor wave]

Gl believes giving us good cars will remove profit
So we get pepega cars in rewards

[paper knot]

they should change

to cars like avj, svj and gt12

[austere trellis]

two A Class wouldn't work

[paper knot]

was that nitro message a scam?

[paper knot]

how abt avj, sian, gt12, arrinera

[austere trellis]

I would rather they actually let us choose by making it so that we earn that new currency they were talking about and buy BPs using that

[vivid karma]

Huh

[paper knot]

like the one in a9c?

[austere trellis]

idk

[ebon obsidian]

that one's paid

[paper knot]

something like that but not paid

[ebon obsidian]

gt12 is just a replica of gs with better top speed, what's the point

[paper knot]

better TS

[ebon obsidian]

a 6 kmh difference

outrageous

[paper knot]

and accel

[ebon obsidian]

it's still boring to drive

[paper knot]

i like it tbh

grinded to 3* from 0

[ebon obsidian]

i dropped the hunt after i four starred it

[paper knot]

from 0?

[ebon obsidian]

the realization that i won't be using it at all had struck me so i decided to grind it solely for garage points

from 0

[paper knot]

HOW?

🤯

[ebon obsidian]

i had a record of all the races i've done, let me sum it up

[paper knot]

go on

[ebon obsidian]

505-510 races

currently 10 blueprints away from maxing it

9 even

[paper knot]

bruh....did you play it all night

or something?

[ebon obsidian]

no, just grinded it for an entire week using token refills

since i also own the season pass i had a free refill

• ads

[paper knot]

how many tokens ?

[paper knot]

😑

[ebon obsidian]

enough to buy exactly 14 key packs

aka 1680

[paper knot]

1680 tokens???

my maths skills:

[noble lotus]

MP up again...!!

[paper knot]

i thought u meant 120*14 for a sec

[ebon obsidian]

well yeah

[round ether]

against asphalt 89

[paper knot]

great i'll check at 7:00-ish IST

[ebon obsidian]

you can think of it as 1200 + 120*4 too

[paper knot]

A89 is not that great tbh

[paper knot]

😅

[round ether]

i mean he still is like top 1% on windows

[paper knot]

MP

[paper knot]

controller boi

[fathom flame]

bruh

[paper knot]

wdym?

[wooden raptor]

wZanDeRw#4077 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[ebon obsidian]

what the hell is this

@exotic iron and then you wonder why i kd innocent people

[exotic iron]

Yeah same happens to me in nivada today, those toxic noobs .... 😤😤😤

[visual marsh]

HOW

[exotic iron]

I still wonder how I reach this 😂

[ebon obsidian]

a god damn toroidion that had no reason to knock me down

what are the odds

@vivid karma what's your in-game username

[cedar fog]

Don't you think that at least on slipstream it is normal to play in the same league. How is an A class car expected to win some against these brutal S class cars ????? 🤔 🤔 🤔

Used shockwave two times in a raw !!!!!
How?????🤔

[analog spindle]

I can't conect to multiplayer, its my problem or the server has problems?

[vivid karma]

This one rn.

[paper knot]

@analog spindle server

Grazie Ragazzi!!

[hexed cedar]

Hi, I hope I’m in the right channel but I’m looking for a team

A club

[primal stream]

#🏁・switch-clubs here you can look for a club that suits you the most

[hexed cedar]

Thank you @primal stream

[covert perch]

write to me if you can do more than 1k/day

[covert perch]

nice, these cars sometimes make me very angry

[plain pumice]

noobs

[plain pumice]

They could've shockwaved, stopped, built up nitro, then shockwaved again with the slipstream

[fathom flame]

the vanda is wayyyyy beter than the toroidion in my opnion

i destroy toridons with it

[plain pumice]

Bruh

[severe heath]

Those care are the worst

[severe heath]

I destroy toroidions with vanda and destroy vandas with toroidion 🤣

[bronze imp]

[raw pumice]

@covert perch hey I want new club, I can make 70k in a season atleast, because I'm a legend pass owner

[fast harness]

Im playing slipstream and moments away from the finish line this player teleports in front me winning the race

[fast harness]

I have a club

[raw pumice]

@fast harness hello

What's your requirement

In your club

[covert perch]

write me your id player, I'll send you an invite

[raw pumice]

My avg daily reputation points are 2500

[fast harness]

My club has no requirements

[covert perch]

we need at least 1k/day

[fast harness]

Online or offline its okay

[covert perch]

cause actually we have more than 1.2mil

[raw pumice]

What's your club reputation points right now

[covert perch]

1.2mil +

[fast harness]

22k

[raw pumice]

Okay give me your club number id

[fast harness]

But first what platform you play on

[covert perch]

#de3a

[raw pumice]

I'm on Android

[covert perch]

you'll not find us then
we are ios/macos

but you can try

Fast&Horny is the club

[raw pumice]

Okay, then I'll not leave my club

[covert perch]

you can send me your player id, and I'll see if I can find you

[raw pumice]

Okay

5c52d6b

Vimal_Z+

Is my name

[covert perch]

no user found 😦

[raw pumice]

Ohhh lol

[covert perch]

that's because different platforms
but I wish you good luck 😉

[raw pumice]

👍

[sand loom]

👺

[covert perch]

congrats

[sand loom]

Nab Chiron-Jesko got bullied by alien Valhalla in slipstream

[sand loom]

👍💯

[minor wave]

You almost lost 1st by .133
U have no say in that

[fast harness]

@raw pumice I play on PC

[vivid karma]

Yet there’s barely a sec difference. Try to pull a 3+ sec diff then come back

@minor wave how about mine lmao

[minor wave]

tawp

[vivid karma]

Cave Heat map knowledge 101

If mine was gold, 100% sure it would’ve been 1:05

[minor wave]

cries in 5* huarya

[vivid karma]

My 5* BC did a 1:07 on that map

Found that shot

Note: that is 0 epics

[noble lotus]

Hey i might want a new club... the clubs i am in bearly make the 1.2 milestone..

i do 1/4

[inland dove]

hi im new

[heady osprey]

We are trying to grow our Android club. We have 3 active players this season and just got our 4th. We will hit 700k soon and with your help we will break 1 million. Club id #6cff0b

[gleaming cape]

If somebody wants to join a Club, join our Club (id: b21b1) we are from Germany and very friendly.

[lavish flume]

@inland dove @gleaming cape @noble lotus
welcome here ^_^
please react with your platform in #👋-welcome
thin the specific channels well show to you
there's a channels made for clubs advertising

@heady osprey please advertise your club in #🏎・clubs-recruitment

[covert perch]

vanda's everywhere in MP

[late wedge]

Yes .-.

[upbeat vapor]

Nice

[abstract mortar]

Grtz

[cinder garden]

Just do MP2 in ghost mode not only Ghost slipstream 👍👍

[fathom flame]

its wayyy better than toroidion on most maps

[austere trellis]

only if the Toroidion gets blocked

if the 1MW can find a way around the Vanda, the Vanda gets obliterated

[night breach]

Problem is the toroidion getting blocked

happens way too often on most maps

techrules is best

[austere trellis]

that is what I said yes

Techrules has its own problems

[night breach]

not rly

[austere trellis]

it can't out accelerate the Vanda nor is its nitro as high, which means that it also gets bullied often

the drifting also isn't as good, so forget trying to pass Vandas on turns

[night breach]

They are better than toroidion at least

also it's faster

[fathom flame]

i like vanda way more

[austere trellis]

not enough to make up for a block late in the race

[fathom flame]

and also is the drako car better than the nio ep9

[austere trellis]

even the Vanda is bullied by the Vanda

[austere trellis]

not sure honestly, but both are pretty useless past Pro league

[fathom flame]

yeah

ig ill just wait for the 4 main cars to refuel, tachyon techrules toroidion and vanda

[vivid karma]

Raesr kinda the worst of 4

[night breach]

My top picks are techrules, vanda, and toroidion from best to worst

[austere trellis]

it's funny when you win in the Tachyon though

[fathom flame]

definitely

[vivid karma]

Out of Bounds was a close one lmao

[austere trellis]

yeah

[vivid karma]

I didn’t even get good barrels

[night breach]

everyone messed up at the final stretch

[stone cloud]

lol

[night breach]

2nd place, went up 44, imagine if i somehow got 1st

[minor wave]

So low in plat

[night breach]

Yes.

Sweaty players everywhere

[minor wave]

Then again
1650 is gae
Either i meet with LL or the game by some means

[night breach]

Can't do much with my 4* scg, max laf and 3* 570s

Hopefully I can get my 570s to 4* from the packs.

[minor wave]

A 3* 570s really wont save you

[night breach]

6/24

[night breach]

It's still decent, but not as good as those higher ones used by sweats

Once I face less skilled players when the highers ones reach LL, won't be that bad

[minor wave]

Decent
Judging by upgrades it should be 385 or so

[night breach]

Yes.

Main problem is its nitro at 3*.

Top speed is good

accel is masked by the slipstream

[minor wave]

By the time u reach 1650 ur gonna meet LL
I was in a 7 lobby against 5 LL players

[night breach]

handling and drifting is good

but nitro is booty

: (

[night breach]

I know.

[minor wave]

570s is pepega

[night breach]

Always happens.

[night breach]

cap

[minor wave]

Unless gold

[night breach]

cap

[minor wave]

Lemme finish

[night breach]

in SS it can do well

[minor wave]

5* sin r1 and 5* N beating 5* 570s
Hell
Some were above 4k rank and i won

[night breach]

Those were simply pepega drivers.

Not the car.

570s is better than sin in every way, other than nitro

[minor wave]

No
Just no
They kept up and over took me countless times
Every race against them was clutch

[paper knot]

Best car for Ghost SS in Plat...except Citroen GT

[minor wave]

Imola and valhalla...

570s is underated

Then again
Its expensive and poses some compared to high end A

[paper knot]

yeah

[paper knot]

yeah imola and valhalla

[ebon obsidian]

why must the vanda be one of the seasonal cars

it's so garbage

[minor wave]

570s is a good substitute if ur f2p
But against the imola and valhalla

No

[minor wave]

I gave up on mp2 as its just dog fest vs vandas

[ebon obsidian]

i must carry on for the 750 tokens reward

[minor wave]

Its not worth losing my braincells

And
30k in 1 week
Wth

[ebon obsidian]

25k

why would you go for the master pack

[minor wave]

I know
But still
In 1 week thats alot

U gotta be constantly nuking, be stupidly good or own extra gas for cars to grind that

[ebon obsidian]

i would jump leagues if i didn't have my season pass up the sleeve

[minor wave]

Not even in mp1 i can grind 25k in 1 week

Hell
Im not even on the plat ms yet

[night breach]

Vanda is so good

I don't know what ur saying

beast in classic

[minor wave]

Cockroach car in mp2
Useless without eips

[night breach]

86 accel, 95 handing, 80 nitro

even without

[minor wave]

If the vanda isnt 4099
Its very useless

[ebon obsidian]

nowhere near being enjoyable to use

[minor wave]

Extremely eip reliant

[ebon obsidian]

it's extremely sluggish

[night breach]

Vanda????

How is the vanda sluggish?

[ebon obsidian]

by sluggish i mean the speed

[night breach]

oh ok

bruh

[ebon obsidian]

literal snail

[night breach]

That just means slow

[minor wave]

Dude
I heard players with a 6* vanda no eips

It's so bad

[night breach]

and 223 mph isn't even that bad

faster that the huracans

[ebon obsidian]

we don't have huracans in mp2

[night breach]

vanda is legit a buffed huracan in A class

[minor wave]

363km is mediocre for A
But thats assuming u perfect nitro

The whole race

[night breach]

which lasts veryyy long

the accel makes up for it

gets ahead like a rocket

7th fastest accel in the game

[ebon obsidian]

not that long after you realize that you also have to use all the other kinds of nitro

[night breach]

15ish with no eips

[minor wave]

Not if a 84 accel car with better TS is in the lobby

All i know
Im not gonna invest in the vanda
Waste of resources

Just unlock for garage value
Let it take dust at 1*

[night breach]

gets up to speed so easily

2s of shockwave does the job, back to pn

[ebon obsidian]

that speed becomes obsolete if you have an at96 driving alongside

[night breach]

Driver also matters.

[night breach]

At96 has worse nitro

[ebon obsidian]

i'm in top 1000 my guy, of course they're all going to be at least somewhat skilled

[night breach]

and worse handling

[ebon obsidian]

so what

[minor wave]

A skilled AT96 will body a skilled vanda

[night breach]

True

[ebon obsidian]

it has better average speed

[night breach]

AT96 is my first pick for mp2

[minor wave]

Handling gap isnt that of an issue and neither is the nitro of the at96

[night breach]

followed by vanda and toroidion

toroidion is so annoying to drive with those vanda blockers

legit keep bumping them from behind

toroidion got the short end of the stick for high end S class

nothing to justify its short nitro and average drifting

[night breach]

top speed is virtually unreachable, and unlike f5 or jesko it can't dodge or pass opponents while drifting

[ebon obsidian]

i can easily reach it given that i don't get blocked

it all boils down to stupid collisions

[night breach]

yes

[minor wave]

No dude
Ur bad

[night breach]

keep losing all my speed due to bumping

[night breach]

trust me.

[minor wave]

Then fix urseld

[night breach]

Accel is so bad

[minor wave]

No

[minor wave]

If 81 accel is bad
Then trion accel is dog water

Same as regera

[night breach]

Take this run with techrules. It can get ahead and stay ahead on corners and due to its long nitro, very strong physical fight

[minor wave]

And 1mw better than both

[night breach]

compared to all the other cars

bruh

[night breach]

give it like 1min to load

[minor wave]

Still not bad

Half of class S doesnt even pass 83

[ebon obsidian]

just punch when diving into corners

[night breach]

yes I do that

blocking is a big problem though.

You have to catch up

[ebon obsidian]

easy 400+ kmh on a constant basis

[night breach]

but bumping them and losing speed is cancer.

[ebon obsidian]

but that's not the car's issue

[night breach]

bad accel, having to catch up, bad nitro, etc make it bad in classic against these specific cars.

This is why I like techrules, u can get ahead and stay ahead ^^

@minor wave

[plain pumice]

Dead MP

[minor wave]

Cap

If its a straight track and a 1mw thats good is in the lobby
U will die

[night breach]

That's the issue for me.

I never get good tracks.

IMW got done dirty.

Putting it against cars like vanda just isn't fair

you need to catch up, but with relatively bad nitro and accel and bumping, it is not easy at all

only when you escape the crowd (rarely) can you drive freely

[fathom flame]

anyone know how to upload a video that bypasses the discord restrictions?

[night breach]

You don't.

That's what the restrictions are for

[fathom flame]

how did you send your video

[night breach]

are you on pc

right now

[ebon obsidian]

glitch

try restarting the app or something

[night breach]

@minor wave How was that run?

[fathom flame]

ok

didnt work

[fathom flame]

yes

well mac

[minor wave]

Good

[night breach]

double tap the plus icon

100mb is the limit for vid size

[fathom flame]

how was your video not over it

it looks the same as mine

[night breach]

Simple.

30fps

[fathom flame]

and its like 20 sec

[night breach]

low quality

[fathom flame]

ohh

[night breach]

go in settings, gamebar

60fps eats up vid size

as well as HD quality.

I play at +50fps but always record at 30.

[fathom flame]

well im just wondering how i got 1st

the guy clearly passed me

[night breach]

Bad connection probably

[fathom flame]

yeah

[fiery gale]

Even 120fps eats up everything in a second

[plain pumice]

Delete MP2

Save Mp1

[split thunder]

No

[night breach]

no

mp1 is only gud if u have good cars

kinda hard for nubs like me who are barely lvl 14 and struggling in plat

[plain pumice]

That’s why Rush mp was better

MP2 grind is forcing everyone to play mp2

And mp1 is empty

Because only whales are playing mp1

[round ether]

well ur one of them so shouldnt be an issue

iOs mp can only survive if it gets cross play with android kekw

[round ether]

what restrictions>

[plain pumice]

Maybe

[grand orchid]

How do you guys deal with being KDd throughout 8 races and each time getting last at it?

[round ether]

i record with xbox gamebar do u know how i can decrease recording fps to 30?

[plain pumice]

But it’s no fun to play against whales

[round ether]

but beware of hackers

[round ether]

precisely whales whale to bully nubs lol not to play against other whales

[plain pumice]

Right

[plain pumice]

I heard hackers are less in android now

[round ether]

still more than ios i guess...

[night breach]

settings

gaming

captures

[vivid karma]

Hell no

You seriously want hackers clogging up both MP and Events just cause of cross platform?

[plain pumice]

But actually racing against whales is fun

Beating noobs is boring sometimes

[plain pumice]

Never met any in iOS

[vivid karma]

The most active MPs are on windows and Android. iOS MP always dead first few day no matter what

Especially during ghost and ghost ss season. Dogs can’t 360 so they do MP2

[plain pumice]

Only Rush MP can save iOS

[vivid karma]

That’s too boring

Plus, no point cap mean people can do over 50k. Who want to slave boring Mp that much?

[night breach]

@little smelt are you Pro || S E B

[little smelt]

Im nab

[night breach]

But is that ur ign

[little smelt]

I use td

I 360 people

Spam Corvette

[night breach]

??? I asked you a question

[little smelt]

Lol

No

[night breach]

Ok

Case closed.

[little smelt]

I misunderstood

Sorry

[sharp raven]

Just lost a MP race to network not synching, on my hardwired PC. Yesterday synching during GP race. This is crap.

[paper knot]

i HATE when it syncs in the official tries...lost about 1-2 seconds...I just can't frickin do anything ABOUT IT!!!!

[paper knot]

never synced during MP for me

[sharp raven]

what bugs me is when issues like this are raised, there's always a huge clamour. For something to change, they obviously MADE a change, but instead of just undoing the change and trying again when the errors are fixed, they leave it up and let everyone watch the constant synching, or ads failing to load, etc; of course with no compensation 😐 /rant

[keen dragon]

I am getting 10 secs delays in mp1 for no reason yesterday I was playing on mobile data with medium Quality it worked well but today even playing with Wi-Fi on very low graphics I am getting poor connection

🤬🤬🤬

40 secs of delay the others even finished the race before i could even reach 15% of the track

[lavish flume]

its about your ping

[keen dragon]

ping ?

[lavish flume]

connection ping

[keen dragon]

oh

[minor mica]

No it’s def device age

Get a better phone that’s the simple solution

[keen dragon]

I play on laptop and it's connection ping only problem now it's working fine

[glad isle]

Ah.

[latent hollow]

Beated someone from fury :0

The elite league gets tough x3

[keen dragon]

This is to all those who think Vencer ain't good and wasn't meant for mp races

[ebon obsidian]

@night breach look at how boring this is

[hard hamlet]

Does the AT96 have particularly bad armour or isit particularly brittle, I got knocked down by bumping into a Vanda in orange nitro using the AT96. Besdies that I find I get knocked down way more often in AT96 than Vanda or Toroidion

[ebon obsidian]

power of vanda's nitro

[hard hamlet]

No but Toroidion is also not as fragile as AT96

Also in MP2, finishing 4th at Elite League minus 20 points, finishing 2nd only added 12 points

What nonsense is this

[ebon obsidian]

no matter what car i drive it gets disintegrated from being poked by a vanda

[hard hamlet]

I am downright disappointed with the AT96, I had a good impression of it but this MP2 changed my impression of the car

If I can beat Vandas in a Trion, I dont see why AT96 cannot beat Vanda

[ebon obsidian]

because it's not fast enough

[hard hamlet]

2 reasons:

1. Trion is too fast OR
2. AT96 is just not very good

So it goes to show that literally 90% of A class cars are not suitable for LL

[ebon obsidian]

obviously, why would you use a/b class cars in legend league

[hard hamlet]

Cmon it is more logical to use a BC or AT96 than a Trion or what in LL, but apparently this MP2 disproves this theory

[hard hamlet]

Also don't u realise LL lobbies have more A cars than S

[vagrant moat]

Looks like You haven't played classic mp where gs and hurracans are continously spammed

[ebon obsidian]

no because i've never met a genuine LL lobby which consists of predominantly a class cars

in the lower parts of it? perhaps

[hard hamlet]

Yah but u see more A cars than S right

[ebon obsidian]

in platinum, yes

[hard hamlet]

No at 1900+ I still see lots of BC

[ebon obsidian]

i start encountering lobbies with at least 4 trions right after i pass the 1800+ threshold

[hard hamlet]

I mean if u don't believe u can ask others, 1900+ still has more BCs Huracans and Vandas than Trion Chiron Jesko SSC F5

[hard hamlet]

I'm talking about Classic

[ebon obsidian]

so am i

it's either a jack of all trades aka all the high end s class cars or platinum league players

[hard hamlet]

If u don't believe and still insist that LL lobbies are predominantly S class, u can go ask others

[ebon obsidian]

you're saying that as if i've never been to LL

[hard hamlet]

My point is AT96 does not uphold the performance it is supposed to

[ebon obsidian]

i'm speaking from my own experience

[hard hamlet]

Bye

[brave vault]

mostly, C_One, Valhalla and Imola still size up most mid-end Class S cars well - AT96 can be a bit iffy, it does well but Top Speed is it's most bottlenecking factor

i havent even hit 1600 and Class S lobbies are on my tail

[keen dragon]

it is possible if you go to LL but lose few ratings and go below 1700 you still are in LL means you can use S-class cars but the players with similar rating are in plat if they haven't crossed LL yet

[brave vault]

no you cant
LL only extends to 1701
1700 and you demote to platinum, it's standardized for all leagues (if you fall beyond 50 points, you're demoted)

im at least 100 points away from the LL threshold

[keen dragon]

my bad typing error

[brave vault]

you cant use class s cars with a rating below 1700.

point still stands.

[keen dragon]

100 points away hmmm

[keen dragon]

yeah

[keen dragon]

might just be some glitch

[brave vault]

there's something called "matchmaking" that isnt doing it's job here, not a glitch

[brave vault]

fix the bloody matchmaking already

[keen pine]

It is the same as with points loss cap. GL pretended it works well, but in the end LL were empty and players with lower garage (14-16) aimed at reaching LL and then stopped playing, afraid of demoting in just one race. They have fixed it and now LL is playable.

And here’s is another issue - Plat competing LL (no chance in ghost slip). I think GL is afraid of empty LL lobby. But it would be an issue only for a short time (same as after reaching Plat very early).
Entering LL would be much easier and everyone would be satisfied.

[raw pumice]

Hello

Just joined your club @heady osprey

Thanks for inviting me

[ebon obsidian]

why am i not surprised

[wooden raptor]

TheWorldBoy#3174 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[fathom flame]

how is that a bad word

[lucid girder]

Following my trend eh?

[heady osprey]

That's great! Welcome

[raw pumice]

👍 👍

[weak compass]

[plain pumice]

Normal day of MP2

[minor wave]

We are both around the same rating
So i feel ur pain

1676 was my best
B4 dropping to 1650

The lobbies arent fun with LL

Especially as i raced 5 of them in a 7 player race

[plain pumice]

i was with an aventador sv coope under ranked, thats why they are noobs

besides they were using max Akilone in slipstream so they are very very noobs

and moreover that track was not good for my sv coope

[minor wave]

Not quite
Slipstream is the only season where a small mostake cam cost u the entire race

[plain pumice]

yep

thats why they are noobs

[minor wave]

Anyhring can happen...

Theres nothing about consistency in slipstream

In class ic or ghost that matters
In slipstream it doesnt
U can bet trash and rely on someones slipstream and overtake only when they make the smallest mistake

[sharp raven]

I have noticed if you lose a couple of races and need some points, that is when you get 2 opponents. Slipstream is sometimes frustrating for me because I don't always follow the pack, sometimes it works sometimes no

[minor wave]

U genuinely cant call them noobs when no one even knows that the gently made a mistake

Especially as the gently is only 3km faster than an SV

[sharp raven]

last night in Scotland I got beaten when all 5 of my opponents did that go left trick near the end, here's me just toddling along with them and suddenly they all vanished 🙂

my poor little Enzo went brr

[minor wave]

Slipstream is the least skilled season
All u need a fast car and some management

As long as those ahead make mistakes
Its easy to win even against fast cars

[plain pumice]

u know nothing , ghost slipstream is the easiest season, only very noob players can lose using Akylone against sv coope

[sharp raven]

Yes people make mistakes all the time, that's how I can win in Enzo at 3,300 rank. The problem with slipstream is that you forget you only have 3x.xx nitro 🙂 then if you make a mistake and lose the péloton, it's over

[minor wave]

Ghost slipstream is the least skilled season.
Any micro mistake will cost u the race
U won by .133
Thats nothing of an achivement
Hell
The gently probally ran out of nitro and u just fed on his slipstream to overtake on the last turn

[minor wave]

Exactly

[plain pumice]

you said, no skill is needed , thats why they are very noobs

[minor wave]

Be like miko and win by 3 seconds

Thats an achievement

[minor wave]

So ur race holds no merit

[plain pumice]

not at all

sv coope is trash against akylone

[brave vault]

the thing is, akylone is really just overpriced aperta

TS isnt really it's strong suit which 570S is more suitable for, considering it's Ghost Slip

[minor wave]

Fun fact
My sin r1 beated 4k rank 570s

Tight races

[sharp raven]

People who look down on the skills of others should remember that everyone wants at one skill or another. Just because you are good at A9 doesn't mean you are a good driver IRL, for example. If you can't say anything nice, don't say nothing at all. Even in the game itself, there's always someone ready to kick your butt. It doesn;t make any difference how you drive if you achieve your goal

[brave vault]

tell me, how many ppl who are actually good at the game can even actually get a license irl?

driver555, arguably the best player on windows, isnt even of legal age to get a driving license anyway

besides, what's the connection between a9 and irl driving skills?

[sacred ingot]

If irl cars can drop 10km from air and bounce on land safely

[brave vault]

besides, if you dont defeat other people, you'll just be defeated - it's the whole concept of GP. If you decide to stay soft and let everyone pass, just quit the game entirely and move on, it's way better use of your time. admittedly myself i thought way too much about the ethical stuff, but GL is literally choking us F2Ps' throats especially in recent events.

so stay soft and continue to whine even after paying for LP (since you have the Enzo), or deal with it and improve. im sick of ppl going "omg this game sucks, the physics is such trash, wth man", like srsly have you even actually put real effort into it?