#t3 units should not be worse than t10.

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glad flower
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I hate this obsession some people have with their supposed 'hard work' tapping the heavy chem tank attack a lot that apparently earned them the right to what they insist should be the only useful helicopter. It's dumb to say that t10 units should be the only ones with a chance at being meta, t3 ones shouldn't just be worse, A much better idea is to make them harder to make good. This way all rewards are exciting. Give the Cobra a 3-4 prep time board sweeping flamethrower for example but it only unlocks at r9. Give the Dirigible a similiar one too. The way I see it, t10 units should be special in the way that they're good Out of the Box and have the most cool designs. It follows the game's philosophy of 'F2P should get good stuff too but work harder for it'.

shadow elk
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I just want the cobra to be barely viable vs the AS... like a r7 snake at r9

But its also funny to see popbob getting the Brio/Missiletruck obsession to put flamethrowers on cobras lt_morgan

old sorrel
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bro just wants the flamethrower so bad

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the title is just a facade to it

hoary sluice
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Too extreme a take but I would still say at least the units should be useful

safe kettle
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it is t3 bc lower level players can have an easy access to them. bc3 is useful below level 30 and that should be enough

urban marsh
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Rewards are rewards. There's absolutely no reason that specifically T3 should be bad. You only get it one time, you can't build it, if anything that's argument it should be better- and that's a stupid argument.

You can have 5 Snakes, and only ever 3 Cobras. Why does the Cobra suck?
You can have 4 Threshers, and only ever 1 Areo Bike. Why is the Areo Bike so terrible?

I think the whole reward system / boss strikes need to be changed on a level of rewards. It's just FOMO but based on "Skill"... In a mobile game. Joined the wrong guild? Sorry chud, you're not minmaxxing all the T10 units you can eat. Here's a crappy T3 reward for you.

frozen plover
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Most units should be somewhat useful at all levels of play.

Currently the game frequently and regularly restricts usefulness, which is something that is only going to become more and more obvious with more levels. Most of the game shouldn’t be made up of ignorable or obsolete garbage.

This is specifically true for reward units.

Too much of this game is just trophy collecting…

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I don’t think they should be as good as t10s, but the point of these units is to remain decently playable throughout the game, that’s why they’re level scaled in the first place

frozen plover
worthy kernel
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The game is already full of units that are useless or lose relevance quickly when you level up.

So I simply don’t understand why so many people want to keep so many units useless when the game itself suffers from units that don’t do anything already. Even the Dexter, which is a boss drop, loses its relevance very early on in the game.

More variety to the game, especially for a game that you should be strategizing for, is a good thing. Not a bad thing, so people not wanting things to change with the way units are handled currently is a weird take

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Boss strike rewards should be at least useful or have some niche for every level. They don’t have to be tier 10 level but they should at least have some usability. The Sky Raptor is a really good example

shadow elk
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The main reason I wanted cobras to be released is for it to create an outrage so ppl push for buffs after seeing how much of an insult it is compared to snake

Im glad it’s happening now

worthy kernel
frozen plover
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There has been a push to buff stuff, but I think Cobra's just made more people angry and more vocal about it again

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as well as having gone up against elite wolves

worthy kernel
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Another thing to consider that many probably don’t think about is the fact that Madrona needs to make the strikes more exciting for the whole community, not just the top level ones.

Alex has already stated the whole strike system, and I’m going to assume this goes for the rewards as well if he’s talking about the whole thing, needs to be re-worked. Not many are going to be happy grinding hours of their day to only get mid units that hardly contribute to you getting better in the game nor advancing the player in meaningful ways. Nobody wants a collection of units that are sitting in your units tab collecting dust unless you’re a collector/completionist.

So yes, future reward units, including the ones below tier 10, need to be incentivizing for EVERY player to constantly play the strikes so that Madrona has good player turnouts for future events. More player turnouts for events = more people playing the game = good for everyone.

frozen plover
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IIRC, we get an average of like 1 unit/level between 56 and 70.

The games already empty as is, lets at least buff stuff so it’s less empty

earnest zodiac
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Just make R9 cobras equal to R7 snake and call it a day

earnest zodiac
old sorrel
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make cobras like snakes but double their sp again, make it 1.5 mil for r9

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1 mil for r8

worthy kernel
glad flower
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Guys can we get more attention so this can be the single most divisive suggestion in the game

glad flower
wet pasture
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upvoted not because i care about the cobra's balancing or its role in bs rewards, but simply because flamethrowers are awesome

inland musk
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having unusable crap units you’ll never use take up space is annoying. I don’t think t3 needs to be stronger than the grand prize, but unless it’s good for something I don’t want it

shrewd haven
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You’re going to have to wait a bit then, because aside from a handful, the rest are either low-average or weak, mostly just for collection purposes

worthy kernel
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Didn’t realize this would be devisive tbh, I’m shocked by the current downvotes

fallow garnet
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I agree that the lower tier bs units should be better in general but I also think that Madrona should rethink bs exclusivity in general. If more bs units are buffed to be meta or at least viable at higher levels, we run into the issue that these units are inaccessible for months/years at a time. We have already seen this happen with the snake; having 2-3 snakes makes the AS fight way easier, but players who missed out on bs1 are SOL until the next time snakes enter the reward pool, which right now is a minimum of 6 months but will probably be longer. imo if bs units are going to be buffed, they need to somehow be more accessible

unkempt moon
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I'm not going to put up T15 points for something I could just buy with excess resources or nanos

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I don't believe units should be once and done, but I believe it should stay in guild events and be difficult to access

fallow garnet
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That depends entirely on what other method to get the unit is avaliable. It could be as simple as running bs more often and/or cramming more tiers full of units. Or letting us buy previous bs rewards with points gained from participating in the current bs

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Some of them could probably be moved to boss drops as well

unkempt moon
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I would be fine with T10+ granting a special currency to acquire old BS units

fallow garnet
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plenty of ideas out there. But my point is that meta units shouldn't be inaccessible for months/years at a time

unkempt moon
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We can only rerun a unit so often, so it obviously would need to be spaced a few events apart

fallow garnet
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When I say months I mean 6+

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I don't think it's unreasonable to ask that meta units be avaliable at least twice a year

shrewd haven
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They shouldn’t have released snake so early, everyone would’ve been in the same boat for a while.

fallow garnet
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I think Madrona did it on purpose to hype up bs1 since players were already theorycrafting AS formations

unkempt moon
fallow garnet
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it's kind of a difficuly situation though. They want boss strikes to both be nontrivial to succeed in and have meaningful rewards. But they also don't want the gap between new and old/p2w accounts to snowball too much

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but then we have situations that go something like: "veteran player smashes bs1 and gets 5 snakes. Starts clearing AS early, nabs a frag or two before bs2. Uses frags to smash bs2"

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and that gap widens

unkempt moon
earnest zodiac
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We need the snake to be accessible than in 6 months. I’m not saying give it to everyone allow us to earn things like that more often

unkempt moon
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Snakes just made it take less resets

shrewd haven
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I believe they implemented it based on feedback, but now around 10% of the playerbase (or whatever the actual number is) has an overpowered unit that deals 70% more damage than a Veteran and can sponge almost 10 Immobilize
This has only widened the gap between players

old sorrel
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keep the f2p and the poor down

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let them (me) suffer

unkempt moon
earnest zodiac
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Just 1 would help so much for so many people

old sorrel
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1 snake for 20k nanos

shrewd haven
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I mean, it is best suited for AS, as if designed for this specific fight

old sorrel
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madrona make me ur chief financial officer

unkempt moon
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The snake is "good" because all the other decent options are mostly missing

old sorrel
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ill trade my 2 snakes for 2 ranged frags

unkempt moon
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I would just mega/vet/RT and continue as usual

fallow garnet
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that's the irony, isn't it? the players who didn't do well in bs1 or joined afterwards aren't going to be the ones who have r6 vets and megas

frozen plover
fallow garnet
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Something like that could be viable too

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I think it's fine if the alternative ways to get bs units still take a lot of effort, the important thing is that the player has the opportunity to do so

earnest zodiac
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We just need more opportunity tbh

worthy kernel
# fallow garnet I don't think it's unreasonable to ask that meta units be avaliable at least twi...

I get what you’re saying about accessibility, and I don’t disagree. But I think the bigger issue is that too many of these units just end up being useless. Not every unit needs to be meta imo, but as a whole, this game doesn’t offer you much options to mess around with. If the unit are at least viable or fill a niche, then missing one doesn’t feel as bad because you know the next one won’t just be trash ☠️ That reduces FOMO without needing every unit to be super accessible or overpowered.

I still think a boss strike shop could also be beneficial for this issue as well

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Cause at the end of the day, they are still rewards and from tier 1-9 they’re relatively easier to get, unless you’re in a very small guild. Like, a very small majority will struggle to get the tier 3 and 7 units.

fallow garnet
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I do wonder what the average performance of the guilds that aren't organized through discord is. If someone joins a guild through the guild finder without joing this discord they're probably going to find themselves among dozens of inactive players

shrewd haven
worthy kernel
worthy kernel
fallow garnet
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Yea and I agree about how lower tier units should be buffed. I was just musing on how if those units do get buffed, they ought to not be so exclusive

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Another route Madrona could go is straight up removing some of the low tier bs rewards from the pool and making them permanent additions to relevant training facilities

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That's my main beef with the cobra; if it's going to be almost identical to the snake but with worst stats, it shouldn't also be a bs reward. We should be able to just train them

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Some of the bs units do work that way; for example, maulers are trainable and alpha maulers are a reward. That makes sense in my mind

worthy kernel
# fallow garnet Some of the bs units do work that way; for example, maulers are trainable and al...

Actually, that does indeed make sense when you put it that way.

Idk, it just sucks getting a reward and it be utterly useless in every way possible. Might as well call it a participation unit. And this isn’t just a boss strike unit issue, this is a whole game issue with like 70-80% (honestly more) of the units being trash. Like, why are most expensive promos trash 😭 I want to have more variety, useful variety when I play in strikes, when I fight bosses and just as a whole cause it just makes the game more fun

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Instead of relying on the same meta units to get your through

shrewd haven
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I mean, if you’re in the 20–40 level range, you’d be happy to get Cobras, it’s stronger than the Pelican. Wanting it to be meta for AS is a different matter

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Some of my low-level friends are having a blast with the Dirigible for exemple

worthy kernel
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My friend loves the Dirigible

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I love its design

frozen plover
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Dirigible is at least fun

onyx ginkgo
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I will give my 2 cents here, CoC recently had this exact same issue with hero equipment - those not playing during their every 3 month event would or could potentially miss out on game changing mechanics (aka hero equipment) Supercells solution to this was quite simple - you are able to buy it for a large amount of premium currency anytime OR alternatively for f2p there would be catchup events - where you could acquire this equipment between new releases. BN could do the same - you are able to buy a few (maximum of say 3 - so it still makes it worth to grind t10) anytime for a fix amount of nano pods, say 150 (might be too expensive but I think its reasonable as these units could be units such as boars) or alternatively between Boss strikes there would be a catchup event. To make it fair catchup/purchased t10 units would only be acquirable a maximum of 3 times - to make it for those willing to grind to t13 and above more fair. This way f2p get to catchup, those having not much time can also acquire (for money) and hardcore still have an incentive to grind to their best. Opinions?

frozen plover
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didn't clash also have older hero equipment rotate in shpps for event currency

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like you'd have the new one, but also 1-2 older ones

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obviously BN doesn't have any event shop type of thing... or at least not yet

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I personally like the AK/Gacha way of doing it where you grind event points in the event and can trade those points for stuff in a shop

clearing he shop often takes commitment, but getting the units, not so much.

This is more for if they add a single player event with BS units

earnest zodiac
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BS shop fixes a lot of this games issues. I really hope we don’t have to wait 6 months for more AS support but I fear that is going to be the case. Pray for good rng my friends without snakes 💔💔

earnest zodiac
onyx ginkgo
# frozen plover didn't clash also have older hero equipment rotate in shpps for event currency

So initially you couldn’t get old equipment at all - which was super frustrating if you missed out on a good one. Then they introduced it to stores - rotating randomly - but v pricy. Eventually they added the catchup event - where between new events (and new equipment releases) people could obtain them again - also worth noting for those who got the equipment, they had other rewards to grind out (such as resources, ores and decorations)

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Something similar would work well for BN in my opinion - but I think its important that if you missed out on t10 units, or are willing to buy them, you shouldnt be afforded the same number as those top performers - hence my suggestion to limit it to 3 max. - ofc this should stop you if you say only made t10 to buy 2 more to make it 3. But should be limited to 3 past the point of the BS being over.

shadow elk
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if the bs we get in 6 months is infected, it will be like 9 more months (and a full year from bs1) before players who missed snake potentially get a useful reward for AS

so its a full year of praying with vets every fight, or paying up to get a few megas because theres no nano income sources to let you save up for them either

this doesnt make the basis of a very fair game imo

wet pasture
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okay but have you considered the following:

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maiden raven
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I think the cobra should be buffed abit for sure maybe have a flamethrower with flame resistance or immunity

elfin latch
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People downvoting this like it'll affect them 💀 like you weren't gonna use those units anyway, make them do something at least.

frozen plover
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I think part of it is saying t3 should be equal to t10

If the post just said buff t3 and t7 units, I don’t think it would’ve gotten as many dislikes

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But yeah, most boss strike units need buffs

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Most units in general really

onyx ginkgo
# frozen plover Most units in general really

Literally 90% of the units in this game are fodder and another 3-5% is arguably useless too past a certain point… leaves a measly 5% actually worth ranking and playing with - which some still get outclassed by other (and probably never used again.)

abstract cobalt
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Tier 3 should be worse than t10

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Just not useless

earnest zodiac
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Yup

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I don’t think they should be equal but def stronger

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Then they are rn

abstract cobalt
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Yeah. A R9 Cobra =~= R6/R7 Snake is pretty fair as some suggested

onyx ginkgo
glad flower
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If you're in a top guild t10 will be free anyways

woeful prairie
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(I think the rewards are tied to specific boss strikes?)

frozen plover
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The rewards were different for both strikes

onyx ginkgo
earnest zodiac
sullen elk
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For those who say r9 cobra is equal to r7 snake the answer is no. It not only has lower damage but also way lower fire resistance making it die in almost 2 aoe attacks. Its by far the worst unit we will get in a bs and the most unuseable

shadow elk
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we want to buff r9 cobra to match r7 snake

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you still have to work for the sentinel win with r7 snake and its a much higher investment with cobras

shrewd haven
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At r9 It can withstand 5 immobilize, if it doesnt get hit by nuclear ray

sullen elk
shrewd haven
# sullen elk The cobra?

Yeah, it dies around 5 hits, whereas the snake survives until 8 or 9, it might still be worth playing

sullen elk
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So half damage and half survivabilty

shrewd haven
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Still more damage than r6 vets

shadow elk
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worth noting that cobra only have 3 ammo

so there is a very good chance it doesnt even shoot 4 times

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it can do r9 snake damage and it will still be awful if it only attack thrice

sullen elk
shrewd haven
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Gimme a few days ill level it up and see for myself

shadow elk
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for comparison a r9 snake typically shoots 7-8 times before it dies

shrewd haven
shadow elk
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if the sentinel isnt already dead by then

shrewd haven
shadow elk
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2 vets is going to have a tough time

shrewd haven
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Took it down once but Im getting my ass beat up now 😭

shadow elk
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cobra will need an all round buff to match r7 snakes

earnest zodiac
onyx ginkgo
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Otherwise its literally not worth, you are better off with megas and vets

sullen elk
onyx ginkgo
sullen elk
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you know the young bigfoot guy

earnest zodiac
onyx ginkgo
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All it'll mean is more consistent clears

onyx ginkgo
sullen elk
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would be fine if the cobra had the same amount of resistances as the snake

earnest zodiac
# onyx ginkgo All it'll mean is more consistent clears

Which is honestly enough, especially if we can get a buff to cobras resistance. I genuinely do think they will buff the cobras at some point I’d just prefer sooner rather than later because we’re gonna have to wait 6 months for BS.

onyx ginkgo
shadow elk
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Imo very fair to have r9 cobra = r7 snake

I think with that buff cobra could be made earn able outside of bs too

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Maybe as a PvP purchasable reward that you accumulate over time

shrewd haven
onyx ginkgo
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There should be ways to acquire most units if you missed a BS...

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There should be catchup events or nano way to acquire them

shrewd haven
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From a fairness standpoint, I get you, but why would I grind 2M points if I can just wait a couple of months and get the units anyway? It makes the event lose its purpose

onyx ginkgo
onyx ginkgo
onyx ginkgo
shadow elk
earnest zodiac
earnest zodiac
onyx ginkgo
shadow elk
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I am very surprised you aren’t ragebaiting here, and support this cause of all things

onyx ginkgo
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I just CBA like 95% of the time

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There is plenty of smart people here and not enough ragebaiters

shadow elk
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You know what, fair enough

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Now I want to ragebait again

onyx ginkgo
grave anvil
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this reads like one of my suggestions