Togglable Boss Spawn Difficulty

[bronze gale]

Kinda realized with lv 60 on the horizon, boss spawns like the Dreadnought and Kraken will also be harder.

My proposition is for togglable boss spawn difficulty, albeit higher clad/tentacle drop and more resources for lv 60 difficulty.

Edit: and with the announcement of a lv60 cap by the end of this month, even more reason to consider togglable boss spawns in future updates.

[dim shell]

the DN at lvl60 will still be easier than the lvl40 DN, I don't see a need for an easy mode at all

[bronze gale]

Well. Not everyone is us with maxed out M10s, clads, etc. XD some people will casually level up and will end up level 60 with, let’s face it, a suboptimal formation or unit count to match a level 60 boss

[lilac viper]

Is there any benefit to the bosses becoming harder you said the drop rates?

[dim shell]

they become endgame bosses. honestly speaking, a suboptimal formation should fail against a endgame boss, so I still see nothing wrong in the equation

if anything, I would like all bosses to get an even harder mode, then add a higher drop rate to that one

[unique zephyr]

Currently, no

[bronze gale]

I mean. It’s a 5% drop rate across the board

[bronze gale]

Again, months and years down the road there’ll be people that’ll spend less money and time in the game but still will reach lv 60. Soft locking them out of resources because they’ll be harder again won’t be a problem for us, but the other larger percentage of the player base

And/or create a BFC for Naval

[dim shell]

you don't even have to max your naval to beat the upgraded naval bosses, it's really not a big deal

[limber kiln]

This is a good idea

[dim shell]

no need to water down something that's not challenging to begin with

[dim shell]

this, I would agree with

[limber kiln]

Could make it so the lvl 60 ones are a bit higher drop rate or more resources

[bronze gale]

Again. Not challenging for us. But other people that don’t have infinite resources, very.

[limber kiln]

Not like the sentinel or construct gets harder after a while

[dim shell]

time gating naval lvls is the issue for new players trying to kill the DN/Kraken, not the difficulty

[bronze gale]

Mhm what’s on the suggestion. Numerically, idk 10%? If we’re “end game” already might as reward us

[dim shell]

is it though? the upgraded DN is easier than the pre 56 DN fight

[bronze gale]

Well time gating works both ways. Slow naval spawns in comparison to all ground leveling plus in addition to passive exp. Sooner or later players realize theyre level 60

[bronze gale]

Are we looking at the same DN

[dim shell]

we are, late ranks of our units are WAY stronger

you can beat it with a mere R6 M10

then still go through two more rank ups

[bronze gale]

Ok…….. like I said before not everyone’s running a nanoed lineup….. like us

[dim shell]

R7 R1s will work roughly similar to R6 M10s

you can still beat it without even max ranking your units

[bronze gale]

I mean I expect people in the BS Leaderboard to have no problems with Lv 60 DN.

I talking about other people that aren’t glued to game

[dim shell]

boss kills shouldn't be free

[lucid shale]

the level req for those is 66

[dim shell]

this doesn't even require max rank F2P naval

[dim shell]

only matters if we actually get a lvl60 cap

[lucid shale]

for R6 mind you so that's anonter 400K to grind after that

[dim shell]

a lvl66 cap isn't even that far fetched

[lucid shale]

i doubt they're releasing about 10 levels in one go or only 3

[dim shell]

what content do we have pre 66?

nothing

it's essentially a 10 lvl stretch of no content

[torpid oxide]

make it harder for f2p

[woven heart]

they will not raise the cap from 56 to 66, they already stated many times they don't want us to rush the contents

[lucid shale]

57 to 59 has nothing though
honestly most levels give little now until we hit 67

[bronze gale]

Earth to Spartan. Not everyone has the steady flow of resources. Or spend money.

[dim shell]

there is NO content from 57 to 65 of any note

[bronze gale]

Then wouldn’t that be a great time to fix issues in the game between 57-65?

[woven heart]

it doesnt matter, they stated the cap will raise to 60 not 66, logic doesn't apply much here

[lucid shale]

quests i guess, don't recall when the other bosses appear

seems there's now 2 reasons not to rank up to 60

[dim shell]

fictional, a number on the next cap was never given

60 is possible, so is any other number between 60 and 70

[lucid shale]

i'm sure they'll go 10 in one go

[half mica]

Unnecessary

Just use these

[lucid shale]

strat 1: pay
strat 2: get lucky as hell

[dim shell]

flex on this drop poor person @hard oyster

only 5 clads

[bronze gale]

And there’s another part of my point 😕why should we stop leveling if it’ll only make your time playing this game less fun

[bronze gale]

https://tenor.com/view/fig-gif-26092737

[half mica]

@frail spruce counter flex

[lucid shale]

it's a valid strat
||some claim||

[bronze gale]

Oh ya I noticed a lot of level 55s on the leaderboard. Wonder which guild they were from

[lucid shale]

unironically valid considering we get little of note while enemies grow stronger

[dim shell]

no, BS difficulty stays the same at 60

enemies jump up at 61

[lucid shale]

oh yeah, forgot that

[dim shell]

meanwhile, you get uncapped demo man

[lucid shale]

DN does so i guess it's 59 for most

[lilac viper]

Ur saying at 60 it increases by 5% across the board?

[bronze gale]

5% drop chance

My bad

[lilac viper]

so you get nothing at 60

not more gears bars or droprate

for the bosses

[lucid shale]

gold and sp

[bronze gale]

Just shy of a 30% increase in difficulty with no meaningful addition to rewards

[lucid shale]

make it give 75K sp and i might consider

[gray light]

Units strength increase so the game increases the DNs difficulty

That’s how Z2 designed the game, which makes sense. The issue lies with the fact that there isn’t many naval unit options unless you’re willing to pay. The developers plan to balance the game, especially naval, down the line

[lilac viper]

Yeah but I feel like with more difficulty should come more rewards

I mean the AC never got a buff in 30 levels

[worldly elm]

Level-based difficulty toggles with increasing rewards for all bosses would be great.

That and a practice mode for each that gives no rewards at all. (No unit deaths either)

[lucid cipher]

I might actually cry if I dont get an ironclad before i hit the gigadreadnaught
Probably just going to give up if I have to spend another month fighting naval battles just to further rank my ships because the naval boss fights difficulty jumped again

[limber kiln]

@frail spruce its your time to shine again

[pulsar pivot]

I mean if we are for real some form of fix should happen

Whether you think it should be harder or f2p should work for it. Its going down the same route that killed Z2 and the game originally

Stuff got overpowered, or way too hard and the larger player base dipped out. There is a form of income the company gets from player count as well as spenders

[woven heart]

Apparently not 😮

[bronze gale]

Which is why I think a togglable boss spawn is a step in the right direction for casual/f2p players and the longevity of the game

[gray light]

the game tries to force you to promote your units

caps unlock for navy units, somewhat compensating for the difference

while i dont agree for a toggle, i do agree for some kind of compensation

you cant really ask an enemy to go easy on you is my logic. you should also not be speeding through your levels if you cant handle the next level

[orchid chasm]

This is a weekly refresh boss. Not everyone likes to make a lot of attempts for each single boss every week. Even if I’m using r5 buoy and m10 there is still a chance i may fail the battle. Every time I win a battle against Kraken I got only 1-3 m10 survives with less than 500hp in total. It is definitely no way for normal players to defeat the enhanced bosses without getting powerful new units.

[dim shell]

It's a boss, you SHOULD be able to fail a boss battle

I don't get the point of playing a game where victory is guaranteed

[orchid chasm]

It is A WEEKLY REFREASHED boss

[dim shell]

It's optional, you don't have to do it

A endgame boss should be difficult

[orchid chasm]

Not every one is as hardcore as u guys

[dim shell]

"weekly refreshed" doesn't mean much, a lot of endgame bosses are weekly refreshed or can be fought as many times as desired

Borderlands bosses can be fought as much as desired

Destiny raid bosses are all weekly rewards

[dim shell]

Nobody is forcing you to engage with endgame content?

You should go into endgame content with Max rank units prepared for a fight

[orchid chasm]

Do you really think everyone has nothing better to do than spend hundreds of hours on a casual game?

[fallen depot]

Sorry for the late ping but wouldn’t the solution to push the naval boss upgrade to 66 when you can actually engage with endgame content in the form of uncapped naval ranks?

It’s not fun to fight endgame content if you’re stuck with mid game units

[dim shell]

It's not a "casual" game, but playing casually is fine.

But I don't get expecting endgame rewards with no grinding, no effort, and no risk of failure

Naval bosses can be completely avoided

[tranquil cobalt]

Risk of failure, sure.

The game is built on the formula of selling you the monthly promotional unit one time and milking you. For money! Which, bypasses the grinding aspect. It's a predatory mobile game, not a work of art.

[worldly elm]

I understand risk of failure the first time, maybe even the second or third, but every single time is nonsense

[dim shell]

Oh, I would agree that the current balance is predatory, and I agree with changing it

I just don't want the result to be easy bosses

[dim shell]

I think we're looking for different things in the game tbh, I would very much prefer to always have a risk of failure

[tranquil cobalt]

I think it could work if the easier a boss was, the less you'd get. Like just disable boss-drops or increase them or something at higher tiers. I could see, and understand that.

Does it devalue beating the AS? Sure. but beating the AS right now is literally "How much time, or money, did you spend?" And most people sooner spent money (understandably) or had a Snake.

[worldly elm]

I’d argue there is no value to beating a boss in a numbers game beyond what you get from it.

[zenith wadi]

Yeah idk why we are even talking about "endgame" content when we ourselves are locked out of endgame content through level cap and promotion requirements...

The idea behind the DN and Kraken becoming significantly harder is that you may eant to skip them until you can rank up your units once more. Levelling from 60 to 66 takes what? 3 weeks? I am pretty sure we are going to be stuck at 60 way longer than that.

I get the level requirements for promotions at the earlier levels. But at level 60 we should be able to start working towards max rank of all units.

Because, as we mentioned, there isn't even a huge amount of content after our current level.

I think it really boils down to crappy game design on Z2's end, though, and I am kinda surprised I haven't seen anyone mention that here before.

In what world does it make sense for a boss to increase their difficulty at one level and the promotion requirements to be at a different level for basically ALL units that could participate in fighting that boss?

That's just a bad game mechanic.

[golden sparrow]

It's not a "casual" game

[tranquil cobalt]

It's not a casual bunkhouse. Prime real-estate it is.

[golden sparrow]

i don't play that casual garbage anymore. i'm on ranked bunkhouse now

[woven heart]

The issue is that there is no reward for this increased difficulty, no higher chance of getting a drop, just higher difficulty. And as stated before, it was obvious the cap wouldn't be 66 but just 60. So there is no balance, same rewards, just harder. It makes no sense.

[limber kiln]

Facts. No point in making it harder if there isnt increased rewards. Maybe they could double the resources dropped and slightly buff the drop rate for the boss unit drop

[bronze star]

which we dont get till 66 btw

so this "mere" unit is one we wont have for atleast another month post level 60

[olive star]

love this idea