Make the next boss strike lineup difficulty the same for lvls 51-55 and 56 (51-55 difficulty at 56)

[elfin heart]

No lmao

[jagged sonnet]

TIL

[elfin heart]

Alpha truck lives with like 40% hp

[jagged sonnet]

I thought it kinda filled the TK niche where if you want a unit dead you just point to it

While still being a bit frail

[dapper hornet]

Nope

[glacial eagle]

That’s Marty

[dapper hornet]

It fails, then dies

[umbral socket]

Damage and piercing makes it more of a side grade to the TK than a strict upgrade. Sometimes better. Other times not.

[elfin heart]

That thing has like 1.2k pierce eHP

You’d need treb to crit 6 times to kill alpha truck

Nvm it’s 1.5k even worse

Boar is the real unit that fills the TK niche

[dapper hornet]

[elfin heart]

Mech units don’t count smh

[dapper hornet]

[umbral socket]

Boars are okay but mech units are too far 😆

Hikari has standards

[dapper hornet]

Perfectly balanced

[elfin heart]

Boar is at least weaker than AS frags

[umbral socket]

@night spade can we have this sticker?

[cursive mango]

isnt ranged frag still considered better than mech arty and mech trooper

[elfin heart]

Imo no

[night spade]

Different roles

[night spade]

Theres plenty of footage of my MArty shenanigans around so go ahead

[wicked anvil]

impossible to say really, kind of like asking if your legs are better than your arms

You could argue that RF has more effective alternatives for boardclear (once you start accounting for promos) than MArty is for its niche or Mech Trooper is for its niche

[elfin heart]

Ranged frag also just has lower power budget in comparison

[cursive mango]

the big 4 are LSW, Mech tank, Ranged frag, phalanx tank in terms of generalist units

[umbral socket]

I meant like... Can you make that available in the VF server because I am a server less scrub 🥹

[cursive mango]

Marty and mtrooper fill niches but the big 4 just kinda work everywhere

[elfin heart]

PArty replaces ranged frag hard

[cursive mango]

ranged frag can still tank

but yes in terms of aoe deal ofc party is at the top no question

[elfin heart]

Pierce type fixed damage is pretty eh at max level, and it’s not that tanky

[elfin heart]

“Tank”

It’s not a good tank lmao

[wicked anvil]

not really, its armor resistances are literally nonexistent

[cursive mango]

doesnt it have fat base hp anyways and its cheap to heal

same reason why super tank is a good tank

[elfin heart]

Nope

[wicked anvil]

Supers have good resistances on both armor and base HP

[elfin heart]

My R6 ranged frag was 1/3 HP after 3 SW hits, would’ve died in 2 more turns if it kept getting hit

[night spade]

I’ll do it tomorrow, remind me please

[wicked anvil]

I don't have the eHP data for RF and Super but I would not be surprised if the Super has considerably more eHP for most damage types

[warm belfry]

the silver wolves are gonna tear everyone apart in this strike. 56 is the mark of death

[cursive mango]

being able to take 5 SW hits is pretty tanky compared to most other units :c

[night spade]

Do we need a best unit tier list????

[elfin heart]

It’s not lmao

[cursive mango]

so what outtanks the ranged frag

[elfin heart]

My super is only armor gone after 5 hits

Super, heavier, mega

[cursive mango]

also this really depends on damage type no

[umbral socket]

Ranged frag eHP vs piercing is around that of a medium tank

[elfin heart]

Yea it’s pretty awful

[cursive mango]

yeah but ranged frag is literally weakest to pierce

it takes expl and fire like a champ

[elfin heart]

Ranged is only really tanky vs explosive and fire which are already uncommon

[wicked anvil]

Well pierce is what you’re dealing with for SW

[cursive mango]

and expl and fire are more spammed in late game all things considered

[wicked anvil]

and a lot of other stuff

[elfin heart]

Rebel is like 1/2 pierce 1/2 explosive

[cursive mango]

fire is the premier endgame damage type iirc?

[echo grotto]

Nah 56, punish the cowards

[elfin heart]

Not even close

[cursive mango]

like a lot of things with pierce also get cooked quite easily, alpha trucks being the exception (which is why they're so dangerous)

but explosive is found often on hardened targets which are the guys sticking around

[jagged sonnet]

Pierce and explosive courtesy of phalanx and plasma artillery

And the AS frags

[cursive mango]

oh no as in what you're really scared of from enemies

[jagged sonnet]

Oh lol

[cursive mango]

your deal is just going to be whatever has big number

[elfin heart]

Also mech tank is just ranged frag on crack

Better resistances, better damage

[cursive mango]

very true, which is why mech tank is ranked above ranged frag

[night spade]

🇸
🇦
🇧
🇨

[elfin heart]

Shell

[cursive mango]

i would put mech tank up to S

[night spade]

It’s not that tanky

Party and LSW are good at everything

[cursive mango]

the two most important niches in the game are aoe deal and tanking

[jagged sonnet]

Melee above ranged?

[night spade]

Mech tank is slightly more specialized

[night spade]

Yes

[cursive mango]

melee's highs are better than ranged's highs

[elfin heart]

Endgame ranged is mid

[cursive mango]

but i think ranged's low is better than melee's low and that makes ranged the better unit

[night spade]

Tankier and more useful later on when all BSx are just vehicle stacks and the party has prep time

[jagged sonnet]

Also I thought the argument for the boars to be T10 were that they were worse than AS frags

[cursive mango]

its a qn of "assuming u have nothing else" vs "assuming u have everything else"

[cursive mango]

they're worse in the sense that they're much more specialised

they are ST deal

[elfin heart]

Mech trooper boar tier, slightly lower damage but much lower cd and same niche

[night spade]

They do 1 thing really well, long mainstay

[cursive mango]

an important niche but not the big 2 type niche

[night spade]

Direct

[elfin heart]

They are worse yeah

[cursive mango]

same reason why tank killers were important before 2.0

[jagged sonnet]

Surely mech troopers are above PEFs

[elfin heart]

Usually you’re blasting frontline

So it’s fine

[night spade]

B10 doesn’t suffer the need to kill the frontline first

[cursive mango]

b10 deletes something you choose

[elfin heart]

Backline dies to 1 PArty shot anyways

[cursive mango]

instantly take out the highest threat

[wicked anvil]

Pretty sure an alpha truck can survive a B10 blast no

[elfin heart]

Not likely to

[meager eagle]

not usually

[cursive mango]

nope

• the burn/poison

[meager eagle]

you have to roll very badly on crits/damage

[wicked anvil]

Oh forgot about crits

[cursive mango]

b10 also has DoT rmb

[night spade]

I’d argue PEF is the best tank that isn’t a LSW and thus belongs higher because tank units are rarer

[cursive mango]

this is correct, two most important niches in the game are tanking and aoe deal

like thats why i think ranged frag is better - it can fulfil both of those niches by itself

[wicked anvil]

Imperial fence technology> tanks

[cursive mango]

pef > plasma tank is a bit ? though

[night spade]

It’s why endgame boss strike formations turn out into this;

❌ ❌
❌ ❌
🇽 🇽

[umbral socket]

Folks, we passed 3k

[cursive mango]

i see lsw, mechtank, ranged frag, and phalanx tank as the big 4 because these are the units that are "if you have one of these you'll probably throw it into every fight you run into in the game"

[cursive mango]

yeah this honestly

ranged frag < melee frag once u have plasma artys hiding in the back

[umbral socket]

@echo grotto There are two suggestion threads that passed 3k and you started both of them. I crown you the ultimate ragebaiter 👑

[cursive mango]

but in a vaccum by themselves ranged frag > melee frag

[night spade]

2 melee and 1 phalanx to get you started and then just PArty until it’s done

[cursive mango]

even without the boss drop units its still 3 pef 6 party right

[night spade]

Yep

[cursive mango]

yeah f2p progression is weird and cooked

until plasma comes out

[night spade]

Maybe 1 wimp off to the side to kill the biggest target in wave 1 when the PArty is still prepping

[cursive mango]

plasma does not need a nerf

[cursive mango]

true, pulling random damage away can only be a good thing

[misty gull]

please give these laser units a buff

such a dissapointing tier

[cursive mango]

laser units are so ass 💀

[night spade]

Railgun: 👁️👄👁️

[cursive mango]

honestly my main gripe is just the insane lack of tanking units for f2p

like its just cope heaviers until pef exists

[elfin heart]

Wdym

Like it’s any better for whales lmao

Cope super or heavier

[cursive mango]

megas and senty frags

are actually achievable

[night spade]

Whales peak at supers

[cursive mango]

super > heavier still

[elfin heart]

Mega is garbage lmao

[cursive mango]

100 extra hp aint no way

[misty gull]

honestly i think railgun are different then laser units

[cursive mango]

widget heal cost doesnt exist if the mega doesnt die

[misty gull]

its like laser+

[cursive mango]

railgun was like coped in the story or smt

[night spade]

100HP versus 1000x the healing cost

[misty gull]

they also are not that amazing if i'm remember correctly

[elfin heart]

Ah yes that’ll help so much when you lose 2 per fight anyways

[cursive mango]

its mentioned like twice and then stops existing

[cursive mango]

thats what the senty frags are for zz

[elfin heart]

This has to be ragebait lmao

[cursive mango]

i mean the main issue is 51+ enemies are tuned for promos

and we are not doing promos (thank god)

[night spade]

Just release the nomad

No boss strike will ever be difficult again

[elfin heart]

Nuh uh didn’t you hear BS2 will be stupidly easy for whales with AS frags mega will never die

Lossless BS2 here we go!

[night spade]

We can all stop complaining when we get the all immune, all powerful EMP rolypoly

[misty gull]

i wonder how the general community will feel with a difficult boss strike

not the top 100 ppl

like the masses

and they lose their 20 heavier tanks

[cursive mango]

they're cooked

[night spade]

I’m not top 100

[cursive mango]

like unbelievably cooked

[misty gull]

what did u place

[night spade]

Not top 100

[cursive mango]

iirc in z2 era most casuals didnt even have r6 wimp

[misty gull]

tank check wihvur

send me ur counts

[cursive mango]

discord is an echo chamber

[elfin heart]

Who knows, I’d honestly want to see it

[misty gull]

let me GET TO KNOW YOU

[night spade]

[jagged sonnet]

Wait Wihvur did I beat your score last boss strike

[misty gull]

i think that there was a ton of reception to "lowering BS point reqs" so

this is WAY worse than that

[jagged sonnet]

Isn’t this upcoming one going to be kinda brutal? These wolves got hands man

[misty gull]

ye

sorry thats what i meant

[night spade]

Yeah I didn’t have as much time to play so I did the required amount and stopped after seeing we weren’t gonna do T15

[elfin heart]

Any non-firemod BS at 55 or 56 is brutal

[jagged sonnet]

And unless people are doing NH, they don’t have a lot of experience with them

[cursive mango]

500 dmg crits cinema

[misty gull]

yeah the elite units gonna tear them up

[jagged sonnet]

Same kinda

[misty gull]

i just wonder if the devs would consider nerfing them

[elfin heart]

If we got raiders it would be just as brutal with 2 brutal bombardiers and 2 brutal brawlers per wave

[misty gull]

as we don't got the promos and BS units as our previous generation

[jagged sonnet]

At the point we are right now probably not

[cursive mango]

raiders are tankier and deal a bit less

i have no clue which one i would rather

[misty gull]

even then they were having losses too

[jagged sonnet]

I mean

This is silver wolves

Wait till rebels lmfao

[cursive mango]

rebels is ultra cooked

2 boars in one formation 💀

[misty gull]

idk i hope that the community takes the losses in stide

they see their 20 heaviers dead and think "oh wow i better produce more"

instead of " I HATE THIS GAME"

[jagged sonnet]

Im predicting that this boss strike will make people quit

[misty gull]

hopefully not

but prolly

[jagged sonnet]

I mean it’s a difficult balancing game

[cursive mango]

the main crunch is most of the people likely to quit because of expectation subversion are the new players needed to actually keep the game alive

[night spade]

Not that many tbh

[cursive mango]

because the veterans of z2 era know how bad the upcoming strike is we can take it in stride

[elfin heart]

[cursive mango]

if this is your first time playing and you went through firemod and was like eh its aight

[jagged sonnet]

You dial silver wolves back to recoil ridge SW and it’s a cakewalk

[misty gull]

did u fr log into the test acc just to do that

[cursive mango]

its going to be so rough

[misty gull]

LOL

[jagged sonnet]

Right now is going to be tough for everyone

[cursive mango]

its rly rly bad for game longevity to push new players away like that

like non z2 vets

[misty gull]

i think that when 95% of the game is lossless

then basically the only event comes out

[cursive mango]

and then you get giga wiped yup

[misty gull]

and you WILL lose multiple unit

[jagged sonnet]

Do you think the average person has r6 heaviers?

[misty gull]

its a little jarring

[elfin heart]

They should put a “danger, very hard event prep hard” or something

[misty gull]

nah LOL

[jagged sonnet]

Cause I don’t think they do lol

[cursive mango]

hell no

[elfin heart]

Not needed anyways

[misty gull]

i have r5

i'm ranking in this BS

[cursive mango]

most casuals will be going into this with r4 heaviers max

[misty gull]

same with my megas

[jagged sonnet]

I mean boss strike sounds so warm and inviting, I thought I was going to get some tea and cookies

[elfin heart]

R5 heavier and R6 heavier die all the same

[elfin heart]

You say that yet people genuinely think that

[misty gull]

this is actually the logic behind me just keeping mine R1

[jagged sonnet]

It’s going to be tough since people’s expectations are inflated by Yuzul

Yuzul inflation? 👀

[misty gull]

im honestly excited

[cursive mango]

the general gamer perception is that boss means free stuff for killing big enemy in 1x epic fight

[misty gull]

to have like 80 heaviers to repair

means i got something to do in between strikes

[cursive mango]

yuzul completely mis-set expectations

[jagged sonnet]

How many points are you going for milky?

[misty gull]

ok so u qualify as "not a plebian"

[jagged sonnet]

A milky million?

[misty gull]

uh

prolly

i dont know yet

[warm belfry]

5 million

[misty gull]

everyday my motivation waxes and wanes

it prolly depends on where PSC is

and what the t10 is

cuz if its a dooky t10

we prolly aren't pushing T13

[night spade]

They could all be r3

[jagged sonnet]

Do I qualify

[misty gull]

what was the roman politican system

it was plebians and smtn

partisans?

patricians

[jagged sonnet]

I’m the smtn?

[misty gull]

we are patricians

[jagged sonnet]

No

[misty gull]

we need to speak to the plebians

[jagged sonnet]

We are Charlie Kirk

We carry the flame

[misty gull]

someone get their little brother on discord

and watch the joy drain from his eyes

as the chunook 1 shots his R1 heavier

[night spade]

Does little sister count?

[misty gull]

yes

as long as they have a childlike sense of amazement

[night spade]

@elfin heart we need a plebeian

[misty gull]

they count

[night spade]

Oh

[elfin heart]

[misty gull]

i know where to look

#general

[night spade]

Yeah I can’t ping the younger one

[misty gull]

https://klipy.com/gifs/dog-smile-24

[night spade]

As she’s not really a casual

[misty gull]

i just had a silverwolf thunder crit my r8 snake for 486 damage

that pilot had a family

[night spade]

And now that family has an urn of ashes and a flag to mourn

[cursive mango]

500 damage crit cinema

[misty gull]

the american way

[cursive mango]

magic buses can also crit tanks for 500 iirc

[misty gull]

i believe so

plus they have 40% AP

[cursive mango]

2% crit so every time i lose a tank to that i should get an AS frag smh

[meager eagle]

the recycled truck can do nearly that much, with 75% AP

I feel bad for anyone trying to use the arctic tanks the way they were intended

[misty gull]

your laughing now

but when my tanks are immune to cold

i'll be the one laughing

https://klipy.com/gifs/salt-pile-of-salt-1

my arctic tanks:

[warm belfry]

arctic tanks need a buff

[night spade]

The arctic tank equivalent

[misty gull]

except

urs is gonna be all chilly

needs a coat

mine?

https://klipy.com/gifs/thrift-shopping-7

[night spade]

Heavy arctic tank: +

[meager eagle]

be fair the arctic tank is at least a medium tank

[vague nova]

Ain't it just a slightly different Medium Tank? The main gun is litearlly "Medium Tank Gun"

[umbral socket]

Okay y'all new best solution to the dilemma: move plasma units down to 56

[misty gull]

i think the only reasonable thing that came from this was lvl 56 TF2s and suburban

[elfin heart]

Yea dropping level 60 stuff to 56 is kinda needed tbh, you get literally nothing from 57-59

[sullen jungle]

Can we have early goliath too on the side

[umbral socket]

Oh god Hikari is gonna get 2 phalanx before the strike

[sullen jungle]

I dont mind her boosting the guild score

[umbral socket]

I mean... You aren't exactly in the same guild ingame

[sullen jungle]

It boosts the guild fame and by proxy mine too

[umbral socket]

Never thought you cared about such vanities 😆

[sullen jungle]

Bs score is temporary but guild rep is forever

[dapper hornet]

I'll take some

My phalanx luck was decent in OG

I got a first kill phalanx back then

[umbral socket]

No. Me. If I get more drops, it is because it was deserved. If y'all get more drops, it is because y'all are hacking

[dapper hornet]

Don't lump me in with her, she has twice my drops and less boss kills

I got a first kill AS frag in OG and New BN, and a first kill phalanx in OG

Let's watch the pattern continue

[umbral socket]

No. I will steal your pattern

[dapper hornet]

No, you can't

Someone back in PWar already stole my originally fated first kill ironclad

-# I had weirdly amazing first kill only luck

[echo grotto]

What was the other one I started?

Need the devs to look at either this suggestion or TF2 unit level cap changes

[umbral socket]

Nvm PsychoCat started the pity system one. Thought it was you for some reason

[green tulip]

I feel like level 50 should unlock TF2 R8

[echo grotto]

Nah because r5 demoman at lvl 50 are plenty good and there needs to be an incentive to go into the next BS wave bracket

[green tulip]

55 then maybe

[echo grotto]

55 is in the previous bracket still

Thats why people were suggesting 56 so either you can stay back at 55 for easier encounters or go to 56 where its more difficult but you also have better units to make up for the disparity

[elfin heart]

TF2 uncapped at 56 but NH gear is gone since apparently 56 has 0 benefits

[elfin heart]

50 is fine yeah, the main incentive for 56 is NH and mass production of treb/heavier/et/prestige, it’s basically a “Do you want a slightly higher score in this BS or a better account in the future”

[dense sonnet]

Hard to pick the prior when the rewards aren’t gonna be super good

[echo grotto]

Nah keep it at 56 there is 0 difference between 56 and 60 other than no tf2 units at r8. There should be zero reason to be holding back leveling through the game as that is not meant to be how it works

Ideally the game should favor being at a higher level than lower level when doing events if your lineup is solid in order to encourage players to play through the game and progress levels

A lvl 50 player playing with a very similar lineup and exact same hours to a lvl 60 player should not be outscoring the lvl 60 when the variables are identical. Otherwise this will lead to a mess like what is currently going on

[elfin heart]

If a level 50 player has the same lineup as a level 60 player that’s such a massive skill issue LMAO

Literally admitting you did nothing from 50-60

[glacial eagle]

Will lead to a bunch of players finding sweet spots one might be as soon as tf2 is unlocked

[elfin heart]

Already are, 45 > 46, 35 > 36, etc

[night spade]

Level 50 with trebs, ET and MMarty

[elfin heart]

Might as well take away NH atp since apparently it doesn’t do anything at all

Holy delusion

[night spade]

Yeah free gears are useless

[elfin heart]

So useless

[night spade]

TIL

[elfin heart]

Having such a bigger army size is useless didn’t you know?

Limit yourself to 3 of each unit next time to do better :3

[night spade]

So true

and here I was mass producing more Heaviers

Silly me

[elfin heart]

Nah no need to

The absolute genius in MCMan confirmed that 55 is completely lossless

Free boss strike lfgggg

[night spade]

I guess I’ll start getting some rocket trucks instead

[elfin heart]

[night spade]

Need to get some F2P brimstones

[elfin heart]

Explosive mod prep :3

[night spade]

Exactly

I’ll also start prepping my F2P account for max rank Demoman of which it has 0

Those 0 R8 Demoman will be really good for BS2

[elfin heart]

[night spade]

If I have some time left I’ll also do R8 heavy I guess

[elfin heart]

Nah R8 soldier hard carries

F2P’s saviour

[night spade]

Won’t take much time since with 0 of them I don’t have any SP to grind or promotion timers to wait on

[night spade]

True!!!

[elfin heart]

Lets do level 56 TF2 in exchange for the utterly useless new haven gear

Seems like a good trade since 56 has 0 benefits rn

[night spade]

F2P BS2 formation is going to be this I guess:

❌
❌
🇽 🇽

[elfin heart]

That random FA

[night spade]

I’d place one more tank but more tanks are useless since that free gear is useless

[elfin heart]

Trueeee, they never die anyways since 55 is lossless

0 heals required :3

Honestly if 55 is lossless why not just 4 mauler 7 soldiers

Sounds better ngl

[night spade]

True

Especially since Soldiers cost nothing to make

[slender cipher]

Should add infinite bars to NH then maybe it would serve some purpose

[elfin heart]

Infinite bars and infinite skulls

[night spade]

❌
❌
🇽 🇽

[elfin heart]

Perfect

[graceful wren]

Who’s winning now

[night spade]

The famous Soldier Sandwich

[echo grotto]

Heres my honest question: why do you insist on keeping the 8% advantage of staying at 55 vs 56?

[night spade]

It’s a tactical game, using flawed game mechanics is tactics

This is the part of the game we all enjoy more besides the story (and Dr. Vogel)

[elfin heart]

God forbid a game has tradeoffs xd

[echo grotto]

So you advocate for flawed game features?

[elfin heart]

I don’t advocate for begging the devs to change the game 3 weeks before BS

If you wanna change this ask after BS2 not shake things up before

[echo grotto]

Youre acting like it would be super difficult to do for them

[night spade]

Nah, as the so many victims of tactical victories in history said “this is unfair, I didn’t know this was a mechanic. God please make it so that they have to fight the same way we did”

[elfin heart]

When did I say that?

Devs can change anything about the game at a moment’s notice lmao

They could throw crush mod at us 5 days before BS

[echo grotto]

By saying doing it 3 weeks before a strike

[elfin heart]

Is it healthy? No

You don’t change the game in a big way right before a big event

[echo grotto]

A big change?

Its adding 1 level to an existing bracket

[night spade]

How is this your takeaway? No we are not, we’re just using it while it’s here.

[elfin heart]

If you wanna beg for changes do it after BS2 when there’s time for people to adapt

[quasi bramble]

big change

[night spade]

Staying level 55 isn’t an exploit. It’s foresight

[night spade]

Same big change as the f2p medium tank. Same big change as the increase of some fire units’ damage.

[elfin heart]

Missing out on weeks of infinite gears + throwing out all prep because suddenly you can use ET/treb at 55 as it turns out is pretty damn big

[echo grotto]

Youre pretending like 56 is at an advantage when you yourself admitted 55 has an 8% bonus

[elfin heart]

56 fighting 55 waves is not an advantage? Holy ragebait

[echo grotto]

Otherwise level up to 56

[echo grotto]

Then level up through the game as it was intended

[elfin heart]

?????

Lmfaoooo

Holy yap

“Let me fight easier enemies with better units like the game wasn’t designed”

[quasi bramble]

yeah, the 55ers just seem like they're making excuses

anybody at 56 who cares about leaderboard, probably isn't affected much by infinite gears amd probably has better options than treb or can replace ET with cryos/frostbite

[elfin heart]

Might as well ask for 56 to fight level 50 waves atp

[quasi bramble]

isn't it just Chunook that's easier at 55, or is the wiki lying

[elfin heart]

Chunook is easier yes (by 40 hp so it’s entirely negligible)

[night spade]

I mean it’s totally fair let me bring my trebuchet to battles that don’t have much scaled to such massive single target damage

[elfin heart]

Lemme start bringing out maulers vs level 30 enemies

[elfin heart]

Neither of those replaces ET, and no you’re wrong leaderboard players do care about infinite gears

[night spade]

While we’re at it, can I get 3 PArties. That’s not too much overkill for level 56 scaled either right?

[elfin heart]

Ofc not, fair and balanced according to our lord and saviour MCMan

[echo grotto]

Ad homenim

[elfin heart]

You love strawmen so I’m making some too

Oh great MCMan please continue to explain how 55 is lossless and 56 is a wipe every single time

[quasi bramble]

then why are some staying at 55, something isn't adding up here, and it seems like the benefit from infinite gears is, at best, below 8%ish more points on BS leaderboard

[echo grotto]

Ad homenim is not a strawman

[night spade]

Strawmen, strawwoman but never strawberry

[elfin heart]

It’s very very few people, and I was the first person to hit 100 heaviers so I already had one of the highest tank counts

It benefits a handful of people who are way overprepped, that’s it

Way more people chose 56 because the infinite gears far outweighed an 8% point bonus

[night spade]

Not just infinite gears

[elfin heart]

Infinite gears and ET yeah

Treb is eh

[night spade]

Trebs is questionable for so many elite vehicles

[full heart]

plus losses during bs are gonna be less overall with easier encounters prolly

[night spade]

But still a nuke

[full heart]

but thats a lesser point still

[elfin heart]

I literally told people it was a huge tradeoff, and not worth it for the vast majority of people

[elfin heart]

Difference is made up by infinite gears/heaviers

[full heart]

i wouldve only considered it if i got a frag, and even then i prolly wouldve still gone to 56

[echo grotto]

Then level up to 56 if its such an advantage

[full heart]

yeah repairing the 40 dead heaviers at the end is just gonna be nicer

[elfin heart]

When you can make up to 10 heaviers a day turns out losses don’t mean much xd

[elfin heart]

Bro can’t read

[lime raptor]

Ladies and gentlemen as someone who tried to stay at 55 and accidentally level to 56 through mass leveling units I think we just need to sit down and enjoy the ride

It ain't a big deal

Stfu

[slender cipher]

It's funnier to stay at 55 to make you angry it lives in your head rent free

[lime raptor]

Let's go back to meme

Oh hello rugiet

[slender cipher]

Hey drip

Dr Chop

How's your day been?

[lime raptor]

The evil dr chop

[elfin heart]

I wish lmao

[lime raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/amor-gif-10758667656717415642

[echo grotto]

Once again attacking character rather than the point itself

[slender cipher]

It's not attacking the character if you're so dead set on it and it's funnier you're mad about it

[slender cipher]

My hero

[elfin heart]

[slender cipher]

This gif is my favorite

[lime raptor]

Yeah steady you, I screwed my level 55 up but got another frag

[elfin heart]

Oh no he’s back

Don’t let the mods find out

[slender cipher]

Oh heck yes ranged or melee?

[lime raptor]

Hes all of our heros

[lime raptor]

Melee, but we take it

[elfin heart]

How many is that

[slender cipher]

Melee is still pretty good

It's a W for sure

[elfin heart]

2 ranged 2 melee?

[full heart]

i'd say its a fair tradeoff, if you want a sizeable increase in scoring for 1 boss strike, sacrifice some short term scaling

[echo grotto]

Im simply disagreeing with counterarguments and youre bringing up tryna upset me instead of actually making a disagreement

[lime raptor]

4s

[night spade]

Mr 3 melee, where is the F2P AS guide

[full heart]

only people who can take handle that downside are gonna consider staying at 55

[slender cipher]

You keep pushing her to level up

[lime raptor]

The ragebait, holyyyy

[elfin heart]

You don’t understand tradeoffs aren’t allowed, 56 people need every advantage and 0 disadvantages
-MCMan

[lime raptor]

Imagine

[elfin heart]

4 melee?

[lime raptor]

Simple just have 3 melee

3 melee 1 ranged

[slender cipher]

Please make the F2P AS guide with 3 melee

[elfin heart]

Oh damn nice

F2P AS time

[quasi bramble]

that is how leveling up is supposed to work in a video game, yes

[full heart]

can i get one😢

[night spade]

Where is the guide Mr chicken of drip

[echo grotto]

Its very simple

[lime raptor]

Step one get 3 melee
Step 2 rank to r5
Step 3 beat sentinel

You're welcome

[elfin heart]

R5

[night spade]

We’ll need to see how to use 3 melee frags to beat the AS otherwise we don’t know what to do

[lime raptor]

With 3 yeah ahahhha

[elfin heart]

Not R6 yet smh

[lime raptor]

Sowwy

[slender cipher]

Instruction unclear, fell into the AS spawning hole

[rotund zealot]

How in the world is this still goin Drip

[night spade]

Kinda disappointed

[elfin heart]

https://tenor.com/view/richard-attenborough-whip-whipped-whiplash-whiplashed-gif-8038917888032528445

[lime raptor]

I ran out of teefs

[rotund zealot]

Got boree?

[night spade]

Typical Brit

[lime raptor]

Excuse me, my teeth are spectacular

the ones I have

[night spade]

[supple jolt]

*the one you have

[night spade]

[lime raptor]

[lime raptor]

Wtf i needs

Give

[slender cipher]

It's how I get around

[night spade]

[lime raptor]

Classic fox with a rotor behaviour

[night spade]

It’s still in the PWas server

If you’re in that server

[lime raptor]

I got banned from that

[elfin heart]

Oof

[night spade]

[lime raptor]

For being mm

[night spade]

Understandable

[lime raptor]

Excuse me

[slender cipher]

It's kinda dead, haven't seen anyone talk in the server for a bit

[elfin heart]

[lime raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-spongebob-squarepants-patrick-star-patrick-fight-spongebob-fight-gif-2864188268401940708

[echo grotto]

Time to get back on topic. Make 51-55 play on 56

[elfin heart]

[slender cipher]

Nah

[night spade]

I’ve been talking in the PWas server

[full heart]

i love it when the suggestion chat areas just turn into this

[slender cipher]

Memes and regular charts better

[elfin heart]

It’s great lmao

[lime raptor]

Politely can you chill out

Its ran its course now

[elfin heart]

[slender cipher]

It's nice to relax and chat with people about stuff

[dense sonnet]

Nah I’d rather insult you

[night spade]

I’m just here to witness it getting closed

[slender cipher]

Heck

[dense sonnet]

Juggernaut enjoying azz

[elfin heart]

Trueeee

[lime raptor]

I only insult brio and cabbage

[slender cipher]

[elfin heart]

Imagine liking juggernaut

[slender cipher]

Don't you dare

[dense sonnet]

Cabbage deserves it

[slender cipher]

Know what

50 more Juggs

[night spade]

Imagine liking Jedrek

Ewww

[slender cipher]

Just for that

[elfin heart]

[lime raptor]

This is accurate, he keeps saying im cooked 🙁

[slender cipher]

Uninvited from my birthday party

[elfin heart]

She’s using our funds for juggernauts how do I get a divorce

[echo grotto]

This is suggestions not DG

[lime raptor]

Jedrek has the body and hairline of fish

[night spade]

I’ll get you a lawyer

[slender cipher]

[full heart]

it always turns into DG

[slender cipher]

Getting a divorce

[full heart]

🤢

[elfin heart]

You’re spending all our money on Juggernauts

[slender cipher]

You refuse to watch anime with me

[night spade]

At least this is public DG

[elfin heart]

You’re sick smh

You need rest

[night spade]

Maybe the devs can talk in here as well for previews

[slender cipher]

I'll watch anyways

[elfin heart]

Nuh uh

Also go sleep, you said you were going to 20 minutes ago

[slender cipher]

Nuh uh

Now you made me sad

[night spade]

She learned that from you

[slender cipher]

I can't sleep while sad

[elfin heart]

[lime raptor]

@scarlet hatch whys am I cookeds

[elfin heart]

I fixed my sleep schedule smh

[full heart]

until next bs

[slender cipher]

I'm going to bed yall - stays up for 3 hours more

[night spade]

Finally

Only took a year

[elfin heart]

And getting sick

[elfin heart]

My sleep schedule during BS was actually fine besides day 1

[night spade]

You’d think you’d fix your sleep schedule more often then

[slender cipher]

Bullshi-

[elfin heart]

Need to be really sick I guess

[night spade]

You’d think you’d fix your sleep schedule more often then

[elfin heart]

I slept 6h everyday wdymmmm

[elfin heart]

Blame my parents for that

[night spade]

[slender cipher]

I'd go to bed you'd be playing, I'd wake up you'd be playing

I don't believe you slept

[elfin heart]

That was day 1 smh

I did stay up day 1

[slender cipher]

That was every day you'd do that

[night spade]

Just hit her with the scoreboard picture

[elfin heart]

Nuh uh

[slender cipher]

I'd wake up every morning you were in GF VC already grinding

[elfin heart]

That was one time 😭

[slender cipher]

Smh thinking I can't remember

It was every day

[night spade]

She can’t count higher than 1

[elfin heart]

And I still slept 6h that night

[slender cipher]

I wasn't there for it, doesn't count

[night spade]

Time to get back on topic. Make 56 - 60 play on 61

[elfin heart]

[echo grotto]

51-55 play 70

[full heart]

add land dreadnought boss for mid wave to debuff lvl 56

[night spade]

I’m okay with that trade

[night spade]

Can’t hit anything but ships, air and sea

[full heart]

just a massive defense then i guess

[night spade]

Time waster

[meager eagle]

skip all the formation levels and just have it instantly kill all your deployed units when you click "fight"
there, now everyone's miserable

[full heart]

4k health concrete wall

[elfin heart]

What can even hit dreadnought from land

[meager eagle]

tanks

[full heart]

mega tank hits ships yeah

[elfin heart]

Tanks can hit ship?

That’s weird lmao

[meager eagle]

yes

[night spade]

Everything you see the sovnav use

[night spade]

Reef bandit camp

[elfin heart]

Oh right I forgot those existed

[meager eagle]

Tanks can hit ships to make the sovereign navy coastal encounters work

[elfin heart]

Acting like I’ve been there anytime in the past 3 months

[full heart]

i have posted my suggestion

[full heart]

make dreadnought freezable

[slender cipher]

Throw in AS mid fight

[night spade]

No that’s BS3 Dr. Vogel

[elfin heart]

They don’t drop anything lmao

[meager eagle]

remove dreadnought breach immunity

[full heart]

allow kraken crits to do like 900 damage with breach

[night spade]

You should just go to level 56 so you can SP farm naval again then

[elfin heart]

[slender cipher]

Kraken tentacle should be usable on land, it's just another sandworm

[elfin heart]

Ah yes level up for naval torture, my favourite

[meager eagle]

fair trade for the dread being able to oneshot the kraken tentacle

[night spade]

A ✨freaky✨ sandworm

[slender cipher]

That's why it refuses to drop for me

[night spade]

It’s intended game mechanic, staying level 55 to not do naval grinds is bad game mechanics

[full heart]

i forgot which guild did it but they had a trophy tag that was like, 4 tentacles gives u rated 18+

[night spade]

[elfin heart]

I remember seeing that too

[night spade]

We know someone who would like that

[elfin heart]

The someone with 7 tentacles?

[night spade]

He’s such a tentacle enjoyer he’s got 7 of them

[elfin heart]

[full heart]

lemme turn 2 of my tentacles into a clad please bro

i dont want these things

[lime raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/amor-gif-10758667656717415642

[night spade]

Is this suggestion going to surpass the pity system one to first one to 4k messages

[elfin heart]

Holy yap

[quasi bramble]

it's possible, only a couple hundred more words to catch up

[night spade]

Poor Brio, he just needs 140 more days of begging and groveling

[scarlet hatch]

he will have 1400 days, while this thread dies in 30

[cobalt garden]

only 1 thread deserves 4k messages

https://discord.com/channels/463817609130016788/1463291470348943360

[full heart]

where my rat king at bro

[cobalt garden]

what if the solution to difficult boss strike was the rat frags that you get from fighting the rat king

[night spade]

He’s a false prophet

[cobalt garden]

fr the devs be slacking

[elfin heart]

Nah that’s the solution to the teeth drought

[cobalt garden]

it could solve both

[night spade]

“If you give a man a rat, you fill his rat desires”

[scarlet hatch]

20 cats in boss strike wave 4

[cobalt garden]

that could be a good way to prevent people from spamming down rat frags

[scarlet hatch]

only dogs can kill cats

everything else instant death

[full heart]

argument annihilated

[cobalt garden]

those are just the rat king minions

not the rat king himself

[night spade]

Just hit level 55, should I stay there for next Boss Strike? If it helps my army is 1 heavier tank, 1 heavy tank, 4 LSW, 5 LRaptor, 6 LBoar, 1 Ranged Frag, 1 Phalanx, 5 NT-1, 3 Nomad, 3 A-Grav

[misty gull]

you did just get access to the heavy arctic tank

so probably

[scarlet hatch]

I wont go to lv56 before I rank up some laser snipers

[lime raptor]

No i think you shouldve stayed at 49

[lime raptor]

Cabbage my lover

😍

[scarlet hatch]

we can be soup together

[jolly crest]

Are we seriously still talking about this nonsense

Newsflash, humanity is selfish! Carry on.

[scarlet hatch]

No missile or gun in my soup

[echo grotto]

That number of likes looking nice so far maybe the devs will notice 🙏

[jolly crest]

No you said something wrong once you aren’t allowed an opinion

[jagged sonnet]

True

How dare you not be a perfect paragon of a human

[echo grotto]

The people that preach tolerance often are the most intolerant

[jagged sonnet]

And will defend those as well xD

[scarlet hatch]

To be tolerant you must not tolerate the intolerant

[echo grotto]

DEVS, MAKE THIS CHANGE FOR THE COMMUNITY SAKE

[scarlet hatch]

Madrona should let us all fight lv70 formations but give me a melee frag to compensate for it

[cobalt garden]

what if for the tf2 units rather than uncapping them at 50, just move the lvl reqs to one rank up

[misty gull]

i dont think that really changes any breakpoints for us now

besides maybe letting us 1 shot with a high rolled crit + 2 higher roll hits

also demoman is way too squishy at this point, to where you prolly gonna lose one per fight

i'm honestly gonna be suprised if they don't change anything about this BS because its WAY to hard for the average player (thats 51+)

maybe we are just doomed to wimp spam

[echo grotto]

Yeah in the end regardless I would be suprised if they left everything as is for the sake of less competitive players. The fact that even a decent amount of people were not able to do well on the last strike already tells me if nothing is changed then most players will get killed without some adjustments to difficulty

[glacial eagle]

Last strike of you made a few dragons that wasn’t hard to achieve could do decently either low ranks

[misty gull]

i do wonder what their "goal" set in mind is

like interms of units lost per attack

because theres surely going to be a good chunk of players who just freshly reached level cap, or just got at least 51 and have maybe 10-20 heaviers

and they are going to get demolished

which I really want a BS where we take losses, as the last one was fun but felt like more of a trial run

i just don't think we can afford 1 tank a run for the freshies

but i do think its a hard balancing act because the only other way i could see it is if you mainly just lost tanks to stray crits

[scarlet hatch]

1 tank a run is very affordable. i think this bs is going to kill more than 1 tank a run tho

[misty gull]

which is kinda not fun either

[misty gull]

for us maybe

i don't think its very affordable for a player who just hit 51 or isnt in a top level guild

[scarlet hatch]

nah if you have 10-20 heaviers and lose 1 per run

you can repair like 30 with a normal repair bay

so at least 50 runs before you start running out of tanks

[misty gull]

you can repair like 15 a day with a normal repair bay

[scarlet hatch]

thats like what, 300-350k?

yeah 30 over the bs is a low end estimation

[misty gull]

how long does a run take

10 minutes?

8 minutes?

[scarlet hatch]

with like multiple hours lost to mismanaging the queue

the limiting factor is the army below 500k-1m imo

[misty gull]

prolly

and anti air mainly

but at 8 minute runs and only 1 tank lost per run (which is super generous) your looking at 7.5 tanks lost per hour

that means if you got 20 tanks your done in 3 hours of playing

and you can only get 12 of those back a day

meaning about 1 hour a day (past day 1)

excluding the artillery

and all that stuff

thats literaly just tanks

[scarlet hatch]

a fresh lv56 being able to do t11 with a bit of work is fine

but rn the bs is going to be harder than that, much harder

[quasi bramble]

another thing we desperately need for BS is more ground encounters with air units so people understand anti-air will be necessary

[scarlet hatch]

like 2-3 tanks, 1-2 mauler and chuckers ded per fight kinda hard imo

so the same player who did 350k may barely do 100k

[misty gull]

yeah

i'm in the boat that they are gonna change it

because they knew about new haven

and changed it accordingly

i doubt that they wouldn't prepare this BS in the same way

[scarlet hatch]

I mean

Madrona can decide that t10 should be reserved for decently prepped players

and let all the ppl who underprepped eat dirt

[misty gull]

true

stark difference from the first BS

but i understand the idea behind it

i honestly would prefer a world where t10 is acheivable to lower guilds

but really nothing past that

because i want them to get 1 of the cool unit if they put the hours in

just not everyone gets 3

[glacial eagle]

If that’s the case I would like to see x3 at T10 then boar as T11+

[scarlet hatch]

x3 cobra

thank

[quasi bramble]

It's another reason why I think there should be a t10 guarantee at like 275k-300k points earned.

[misty gull]

i could see an "individual" BS rewards + a guild BS rewards

like

knock everything down by 1

so 2x T3 and 2x T7

but if you accumulate the points to match that tier for your guild

you get that 3x T3 and 3x T7 back (1 given to you individually)

therefore you cant piggyback as much

honestly in that system I could totally see t10 giving 1 T10 for guild points, and 1 T10 for solo points

but solo points stop at T10

[mossy prawn]

T10 is achievable to lower tier guilds who are active and communicate

thats all thats required

its really easy, even if the strike is hard

[misty gull]

whats the individual point requirement

for say 81 people?

[mossy prawn]

for 100 people 125k

[misty gull]

prolly better to do 100

yeah thats not bad

[mossy prawn]

its REALLY easy

[misty gull]

do yall know the points coming from each clear

?

for this one

generally

like 5-6k?

[mossy prawn]

at max level like 5.5k off the top of my head

at level 56 i mean

[quasi bramble]

I wouldn't be opposed to that, but I think because it's a guild event (and guilds should, ideally, be hitting t7 at least and I'd hope guilds hit t3) only one reward should be given individually

[misty gull]

ok so

roughly

6 clears a day

or 7 clears a day

depending on ur level

[mossy prawn]

if you cant do that, youre not playing the game

[quasi bramble]

for a 100 person guild

[scarlet hatch]

I wont mind if the personal reward is at 1M points tbh

[mossy prawn]

a smaller guild needs more individual points, but those points are easier to get

thats the tradeoff

[scarlet hatch]

give casual guilds carries more reason to push to 1M too

[misty gull]

like forget the t3 + t7 individual, and just put a number for t10?

[misty gull]

also this number should be unweighted

whether its 1m or something else, its important it doesn't have guild weight

[glacial eagle]

The real question right now should be what are invasion rewards?

[scarlet hatch]

yeah tbh it doesnt really matter

if someone can push to 1M for a small guild 1.5M is a joke to them anyway

[misty gull]

well i mean look at the evil corp guys

[misty gull]

ok but tbf

lets take this BS for example

you lose like 2 r4-r5 tanks per run

thats like 14 tanks per day

i guess you can heal that many

nvm

yeah its pretty achievable

[mossy prawn]

T10 is easy, T11 is where it starts to get more challenging

[misty gull]

and u can wimp spam

[mossy prawn]

and the guild you pick matters alot too

[quasi bramble]

yeah, just a number of points to hit for an individual t10

idea is that it should be about what a guild would need to hit t10, but a bit higher to give players an idea of what they need to score in game because stuff being in game is important.

[mossy prawn]

get into a bad guild, you get bad rewards

thats on the individual to find a guild that can succeed

[misty gull]

bro

they have to annouce this BS

in game

like

this is crazy to not even have something in #📡-announcements

[mossy prawn]

agree

[quasi bramble]

it also needs to look achievable, too many players and people in general will just look at big number and think they can't do it or that it can't be done

[scarlet hatch]

pushing from t10 to t11 is going to be a massive gulf tho

esp for bs2

[misty gull]

yeah i think an individual reward system helps this too

cuz even if your guild isnt doing good, you can still reap the benefits of being a grinder

[scarlet hatch]

like it mostly depends on a guild getting a few frags on the top players and them doing a few mils

[misty gull]

im fragless

[scarlet hatch]

for casual guilds I mean

[misty gull]

i've currently gotten 2 drops since playing when it was free release

[glacial eagle]

So much currently depends on frag luck

[misty gull]

i think i'm somewhere close to

2/100 boss kills

so its probably all coming to this upcoming AS

[scarlet hatch]

for some funny reason I think Ive seen a few casual guild leads get an AS frag

probably god's will for them to carry and keep the guild at t10 and survive

[misty gull]

lmao

yeah none of the hicom at PSC have gotten one

AP got one yesterday but technically hes not

i have to be first

[scarlet hatch]

Im talking abt like t10 casual guilds yeah, like those that really need a boost in a harder bs

[misty gull]

thats PSC

we are t10 casual

[echo grotto]

Yeah they definitely gotta announce details on the strike sometime before the strike

So we know what to expect details wise

[misty gull]

honestly like

releasing a "no losses" demo version

where you can fight 1 layout and see what its like

would help a TON of players

[scarlet hatch]

AP isnt the guild lead? or the hicom?

[misty gull]

AP is creative director

so he handles all the marketing and branding of the guild

[scarlet hatch]

I see, I thought it is his guild all along

[misty gull]

but me synth and jeff handle all internal affairs

[echo grotto]

[misty gull]

it was

he handed us the keys to the castle

whenever i got director

[scarlet hatch]

I see

[misty gull]

but he helps with stuff all the time

[scarlet hatch]

fair enough tho a guy cant do everything

[misty gull]

ye

he was beatboxing in this

[quasi bramble]

at least one of my regular members got an AS frag

[misty gull]

and made the thumbnail

[quasi bramble]

I'm still AS fragless, and Tentacleless

[scarlet hatch]

we only have a single frag for the guild with like, abt 50 kills?

[misty gull]

what guild are u in

or am i being trolled rn

[echo grotto]

I identity as fragless till I get both frags

[scarlet hatch]

I may say MM from time to time but Im not MM btw

im actual t10 casual guild player

[echo grotto]

DHM

[misty gull]

its actually crazy to see someone

not from a top 20 guild

in here

thats awesome

[misty gull]

i feel like

this makes the most sense for you

lmao

[echo grotto]

He is honorary MM

[quasi bramble]

I'm not from a top 20 guild...

[misty gull]

HUH

ok

[quasi bramble]

NCR is not top 20

[misty gull]

we gotta get a tank check going

in here

thats more what i meant

if you got 50+ tanks

you aint a plebian

[karmic elk]

should i force all 513 goodfellas to thumbs up this post

[jagged sonnet]

No lmfao

[misty gull]

honestly

you should do that

[scarlet hatch]

If DHM doesn’t get t10 istg

[misty gull]

but with a suggestion that is troll

like the fallout one or smtn

[jagged sonnet]

Shocked that one is still up

[karmic elk]

the last time we used the power we got 3 mavericks

[echo grotto]

They will lol that aint a concern

[jagged sonnet]

Do you guys think PWX will take top 1 again?

[misty gull]

its likely

i heard WoggaWogga's a real grinder

[echo grotto]

MM will have to be sacrificed so they can fulfill their destiny

[karmic elk]

isnt wogga wogga sgt stranglers kid

[misty gull]

i have no idea

its someones alt acc

[echo grotto]

@jagged sonnet To be fair, it almost worked

[scarlet hatch]

They exist without my consent

[misty gull]

https://klipy.com/gifs/curious-cat-lol

[echo grotto]

[jagged sonnet]

xD

I didn't know about it (thankfully)

[mossy prawn]

same

[dapper hornet]

You heard it, i'm fragless according to McMan @elfin heart @slender cipher

[slender cipher]

Silence bottom

[dapper hornet]

Us fragless players ought to stick together, don't go attacking me

[dapper hornet]

I don't have both frags, which makes me fragless according to McMan

[silk glen]

look at these fraggers

what the frag

[scarlet hatch]

if kitten have no frag

then I have -1 frag

Im not even a fragless I have a frag debt

[dapper hornet]

I dare not question McMan's logic

Also, not a kitten

[slender cipher]

Kittenbreaker be nice

[silk glen]

56 wipe, 55 lossless logic?

[dapper hornet]

In reality, only 56 at Vogel is ever a full wipe, unless you make bad decisions

[silk glen]

not according to the logic

[dapper hornet]

Vogel can full wipe you at lvl55

[silk glen]

McMan says otherwise

i only trust him

sorry spartan

[night spade]

You can full wipe a level 55 Dr Vogel boss strike

Frags decrease the chance significantly though

[silk glen]

i need to test that out

when i get double drop

[night spade]

Just get one then

[silk glen]

ill just borrow brio's one

[night spade]

So none?

[scarlet hatch]

you can have one of my dexters

[dapper hornet]

I only have one of the arms, therefore I'm fragless according to McMan

maybe one day i'll have both arms so that I can ascend to the frag owner club

[night spade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1167417100592226335/1276237443372421120/ZRKR88CH1QE5NH537R.gif

[dapper hornet]

hey, I'm not the one that decided how it works

I don't question it

[night spade]

Typical cat, goes against everything unless it’s beneficial to him

[dapper hornet]

I'm unbiased, not my fault that decisions outside of my control benefit me

[night spade]

Yeah definitely not a cat because unlike a cat you aren’t nocturnal and awake at 2:30 am making a ruckus

[dapper hornet]

cats aren't the only nocturnal things on the planet

I can be nocturnal and still not a cat

[night spade]

aren’t*

Yeah but you’re either a cat or a raccoon at this point

[dapper hornet]

dang it

[night spade]

Since you eat all NM’s kibble