Make the next boss strike lineup difficulty the same for lvls 51-55 and 56 (51-55 difficulty at 56)

[lime raptor]

Ahahahahahah

Full fence

[wheat flax]

gatekeeping is only bad for the people who should stay out

[rotund zealot]

“I know I was in a guild that got enough snakes to kill the AS but it isn’t necessary”

Guys just ignore it

[wheat flax]

you don’t need snake to kill AS though

[lime raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-awkward-awkward-cat-cat-awkward-gif-24906225

[wheat flax]

my first 2 AS kills used no snakes

[proven minnow]

it is okay for games to have content that isnt for everyone. Is it bad game design immediately beacuse of it ? debatable

[quasi bramble]

you do need snake or money

also a degree of luck

[umbral socket]

1k y'all good work!

2k time!

[lime raptor]

I beat with arsonists

[rotund zealot]

Alright shut it down

[silk ridge]

Suburbans
-# I mean yea you’re right, but at least more pop for infra ig

[lime raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/toy-story-woody-im-callin-it-guys-were-closing-up-shop-closing-up-shop-gif-25302962

[wheat flax]

imagine expecting to get things for free, of course you shouldn’t be able to defeat AS F2P, if you pay nothing you get nothing in return

[lime raptor]

Theres a snake in my boot

[rotund zealot]

See ya back in MM main chat

[sharp furnace]

If you guys knew that and stayed at 55, you all would never complain about it

This just happens that you all noticed it too late and didnt want to lose the scoreboard leads i guess

[wheat flax]

what are we going to do next, give everyone a free abrams?

[rotund zealot]

Guh?

[lime raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/kiss-gif-11816971814746635421

[quasi bramble]

I went to 56 regardless

[rotund zealot]

I definitely knew. MM told everyone

I went to 56 because why not?

[lime raptor]

No we did not

[rotund zealot]

I want to experience the content they ya know created for us

[quasi bramble]

despite knowing, because I'm not gonna stall progress for bad game design

[rotund zealot]

Damn it’s my psychosis kicking up again?

[lime raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-gif-26050971

[wheat flax]

i went to 56 because i can’t stay away from my beloved

[sharp furnace]

Yeah thats your decision, and you should live with the consequence fighting a 56+ lineup?

[rotund zealot]

My man

[sharp furnace]

i dont see the problem

[echo grotto]

Everyone was well aware of this at least in my guild. It simply comes down to some of us dont wanna take advantage of bad game design and should not be a thing like endlessly raiding greenbourogh for absurd resource rates

[sharp furnace]

Yeah sure

[rotund zealot]

And why should there be consequences for playing the content they added?

[sharp furnace]

you all knew 100%

[rotund zealot]

They gave us Prestige

[wicked anvil]

The ad hominem in this thread is crazy ngl

[lime raptor]

We did lol, I told them

Kek

[rotund zealot]

So what your telling me I should of sat there for 2 months waiting?

[proven minnow]

you literally do not have to do this though

[dim rover]

ppl are too obsessed with getting an advantage instead of caring about balance for the normal player base

smh

[lime raptor]

No its not i can literally get the message

[echo grotto]

Youre only saying this because you dont wanna lose your advantage from staying at 55

[rotund zealot]

Your missing the fact EVERY free to play is rushing 56

[proven minnow]

i am lvl 56

[echo grotto]

This suggestion doesnt harm anyone it makes everything on a more even playing field

[rotund zealot]

Or at least if they care at all about AS

[wicked anvil]

It does when you consider that most folks in this thread are pushing for leaderboard spots

[echo grotto]

Why are we fighting so hard to keep a bad game design

[wheat flax]

you rush 56 because you are broke ass and need zoey trebuchet for AS
i rush 56 because haha funny
we are not the same

[rotund zealot]

Hahah funny Mammoth Raider

[dapper hornet]

"I didn't plan, so punish everyone who did" the thread

[wheat flax]

i will march to the gates of agartha with my army of

[dapper hornet]

No, they're not

A lot are

[echo grotto]

Youre advocating for bad game design. By that logic thd lsw was part of the old game too we should bring that back

[quasi bramble]

"punish"

[rotund zealot]

Clearly you missed the next part

[solar plover]

This post was more about finding bout how royally fked y'all were gonna be in terms of more hours being spent during bs than actually whatever other point u guys argued, **had u guys actually cared u would have asked for this weeks earlier. **

But posting this suggestion this late has probably lost you the common sympathy ppl had for your points as to why your suggestion should go forwards, its literally devolved into lvl 56 vs sub lvl 56. Shouldn't sub lvl 56 players then be compensated for actually using publicly available information then planned ahead to account for a advantage, ppl who went lvl 56 enjoyed benefits now sleep in the bed you made and tough it out.

im sure your guild

was especially capable since y'all are competitive too

[tight sundial]

Punish? By giving you a month to level up?

[wheat flax]

iker don’t forget to tell chatgpt thank you for writing that

[echo grotto]

We will be fine. Half of our guild is at 55 so this doesnt affect us much. Its just simply bad game design

[solar plover]

i wrote it

smh

[silk ridge]

Who is bnap

[solar plover]

put it thru a human ai detector

wtv

[jagged sonnet]

Not just MM, there are people from multiple guilds arguing for this

[rotund zealot]

A guy I assume

[slender cipher]

Some bald guy

[lime raptor]

I heard it was a guyette

[solar plover]

ye but at least internally in hsc our leadership posted a list of pros and cons for levelling up

[rotund zealot]

I love how every argument for 55 is “Hey sleep in your bed you made it”

[tight sundial]

Drip I saw that 👁️👁️

[lime raptor]

You doubted me little one

I said it months ago

[wicked anvil]

Admittedly a very compelling argument if valid

[wheat flax]

i think it’s too late to do anything tbh

[echo grotto]

It is a month away

[jagged sonnet]

Shoot I’m in your guild and as Wihvur aforementioned will be benefiting from people staying at 55

[tight sundial]

Never doubted you for a second

[rotund zealot]

Ahaahha

[solar plover]

Ur statement is kinda telling ppl who are lvl 55 to sleep in our bed too, we are willingly giving up gaining prestige to make bs a bit easier for us.

[echo grotto]

All you have to do is add 56 to the 51-55 bracket

[jagged sonnet]

I think it’s awful game design simple as that lol

[lime raptor]

You gif-ed me 😗

[jagged sonnet]

Awful game design and / or horrible update timing

[wheat flax]

i think the best solution would have been to change unlock treb at 55 before the level cap was raised, then drop 55 and prestige but it’s too late for that

[lime raptor]

Get ffucked

No

[silk ridge]

Why make it complicated when we could jut boost the bsp for 56 bracket

[solar plover]

so we should punish ppl who stayed lvl 55

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

[wicked anvil]

P1ffy from the top rope

[rotund zealot]

Punish???

[quasi bramble]

"punish"

[dapper hornet]

F2P aren't banned from the wiki

[lime raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/i-see-makes-sense-gif-12184975888831594541

[echo grotto]

How are you being punished? The strike isnt for another month

[dapper hornet]

Make your bed, then sleep in it

[quasi bramble]

plenty of time to level

[solar plover]

we lost out on half a month of xp

[echo grotto]

ETs are nice but wont give you any advantage

[rotund zealot]

Congratulations you missed likr what 60 prestige

[umbral socket]

Yes. Hate them.

[dapper hornet]

You should leave this thread and grind NH if you're so worried about BS 2

[rotund zealot]

Ohhh truly punished

[quasi bramble]

make your bed then sleep in it

[dim rover]

its funny because im literally sure the only reason this thread came up is because people dont want others to get ahead but it really is a problem for f2ps rn. only if we stopped to balance BS beforehand like a certain someone said and this may of not happened 🔮

[night spade]

Put people at 56 in the 51-55 bracket and people who stayed 55 because they want to stay as competitive as possible in the 46-50 bracket

[jagged sonnet]

No you don’t get it, that’s game changing sp. Totally will give us an edge @56 xD

[tight sundial]

Punish the cowards!

[quasi bramble]

blaance 100% should've happened before another strike

[lime raptor]

The points for the lower bracket would make it worse no?

[rotund zealot]

Your so right that 60 prestige really boosted me so hard right now

[tight sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/queen-of-hearts-alice-in-wonderland-off-with-their-heads-disney-gif-22345329

[solar plover]

yes however this suggestion is the equivalent of a galeforce storm passing over a lvl 55's bed 😂

[lime raptor]

Guys

[night spade]

Oh so you know this all already?

[dim rover]

im literally a seer at this rate i foretold it all lol

[tight sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/caseoh-gif-3944837017366223108

[quasi bramble]

it's the equivalent of some light rain lol

[lime raptor]

Yeah I literally said it in MM, they all knew so

If they wanted to level up for content fair enough but like

[solar plover]

as otto guy said 60 prestige sounds little but thats still over 800k xp

[rotund zealot]

ITS NOTHING

[echo grotto]

What is that gonna do for you

[rotund zealot]

like what???

[solar plover]

then why in the world did you go to lvl 56

[rotund zealot]

You can’t even use it for anything good right now

[solar plover]

but to play with prestige

[echo grotto]

Prestige only helps f2p and now theyre screwed

[solar plover]

and new content

and now that everything

has been dried up

u realised

how cooked u are

[rotund zealot]

Yeah I like the Raider Mammoth

[solar plover]

u guys got benefits

[rotund zealot]

Brother you think im coping over this???

[jagged sonnet]

Iker you’re my goat

[quasi bramble]

playing the game as intended instead of abusing mechanics

[jagged sonnet]

But what a horrible take

[solar plover]

now live with the disadvantages

[rotund zealot]

I literally couldn’t care if Im getting obliterated

[lime raptor]

And youre my dwarf ❤️

[rotund zealot]

Its about the premise

[echo grotto]

"Live with the disadvantages of not taking advantage of bad game design"

[wheat flax]

ABC Always B Cheatin’

[jagged sonnet]

Punishing people for wanting to explore the new content is a take of all time for sure

[solar plover]

if premise was so important and u cared so much for f2p why was this suggestion made so late

[rotund zealot]

I can’t believe your goat hates me so much for wanting funny unit

[echo grotto]

Because the strike just got announced

[rotund zealot]

Exactly

[elfin heart]

Guys, lets make all brackets level 11-15 so you never get punished for levelling up

[jagged sonnet]

I’m shocked of how many bad takes there are

[rotund zealot]

What if we actually got level 60 before it was announced

[solar plover]

still stay lvl 55

[rotund zealot]

Its BN main discord Im literally only here because I got nothing to do rn

[echo grotto]

You have people here at lvl 55 disagreeing with you

[jagged sonnet]

🤝

[night spade]

BS2 be like:

[rotund zealot]

I mean okay? I mean TF2 Units get infinitely better but what do I know

[umbral socket]

Wow repeating my joke louder for the room huh

[rotund zealot]

Gosh I can’t believe we are punishing you so much

[dapper dawn]

ya will still rush to 60
we will still stay at 55
same circle

[quasi bramble]

there was a sort of similar one made a bit ago

https://discord.com/channels/463817609130016788/1475912441409044603

[wheat flax]

guys let’s just remove boss strike battles and keep the concrete donation mechanic that would be so much more fun then level 56 wouldn’t be at a disadvantage

[dapper dawn]

it lumber this time bro

[rotund zealot]

Literally isn’t because you actually get something but alright

[solar plover]

this post is literally 34 ppl, it ofc doesnt represent anybody im just voicing my opinion

[echo grotto]

Im sure the devs will see this and consider it good game design

[solar plover]

the devs did not intend the game to be like this

[rotund zealot]

Im sure they will enjoy not making another whole strike set up with units

[solar plover]

they simply have the blueprint

for the old game

and is more focused on implementing that fully

[balmy trail]

But it isn’t

[echo grotto]

Hence why I made the suggestion to remove the unintended affect

[wheat flax]

https://tenor.com/view/uma-musume-meep-low-cortisol-dance-chibi-gif-17107758709618840273

[dim rover]

they should of taken the time to balance it instead of copying it 🥺

[rotund zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-winds-and-waves-pombon-meme-pombon-meme-gif-353575548571203410

[dim rover]

alla this coulda been avoided

[umbral socket]

And that's called bad Strategy

[dim rover]

lowk

[jagged sonnet]

Then why are you arguing against this suggestion?!??

[silk ridge]

Since this beautifully derails the topic, I will answer relatively seriously. It makes no sense that the game increases in difficulty but doesn’t increase reward somehow, I would wish the dn had a slightly higher t2/3 reward on 60+, or a slight boss drop bonus; similarly wish the elite wolves encounters dropped ~100 iron/steel; higher SN encounters dropped 50-200 instead of 0-100 at same % chance; animals 10->11->12% chance of teeth, etc

[jagged sonnet]

LMFAO

[echo grotto]

Literally my point

[solar plover]

because u guys willingly chose to lvl 56

[jagged sonnet]

I’m going to leave this before I lose any more braincells

[sharp furnace]

I saw alot of ppl wanting to rush content not long ago, now yall wanna take time? I dont quite get it

[solar plover]

and now want the advantges that u would have otherwise lost had u not gone to lvl 56

[lime raptor]

Come cuddle me

[wheat flax]

no don’t leave

[jagged sonnet]

I’ll have this on standby lol

[rotund zealot]

Should of done this a hour ago…

[umbral socket]

You stole one of my quotes so now I will steal one of yours

[jagged sonnet]

My gf harem takes prio sorry

[echo grotto]

Itll all be worth it once the devs look at this suggestion

[dim rover]

i never wanted content rushed

idk about others

[jagged sonnet]

Hey go for it man

🤝

[dim rover]

ppl hated on me for wanting them to take time lol

no foresight

[solar plover]

you are so conceited, so are u saying a lvl 35 player a week before bs should move to lvl 40 to have harder encounters or should they stay below the next bracket

u got your oats

u got your content

tha<t was your boon

[quasi bramble]

most of us didn't want rushed content

you are likely talking about 2 different groups of people

I would have taken a reblance patch over the past 5+ months of content

[supple jolt]

I mostly dislike the “nerf mauler” thing

[solar plover]

now live with the consequences

[mossy prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/yapping-quit-yapping-yap-waffle-stfu-gif-2451949384988892352

[rotund zealot]

One can dream, one can dream

[jagged sonnet]

Nice ad hominem but you’re missing my point lmfao

[umbral socket]

I have a similar one too 😄

[solar plover]

no im not

[balmy trail]

Releasing new levels while incentivizing not to level up makes no sense game design wise

[echo grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-the-office-thank-you-gif-4688221

[solar plover]

the game should remain unchanged and we live with all our consequences

[wheat flax]

you can’t honestly look at mauler and think it’s not massively overstatted, anyone who says it’s fine is just lying and wants to keep their overstatted unit

[solar plover]

for now that is

[jagged sonnet]

Where’d this come from?

[quasi bramble]

they should give level 56 players + 5k boss strike points per wave and ban leveling up during the strike

make it so they were actually punished for their decision to abuse mechanics

[wicked anvil]

Oh no nerf mauler talks

😭😭😭

[wheat flax]

if mauler was enemy only, everyone would be screaming for it to be nerfed

[jagged sonnet]

Which one is it iker

[echo grotto]

Nah the mauler is fine against current lineups but at 55 or below it is certainly busted

[solar plover]

what are the choices

[umbral socket]

Lock lumber dono

[tight sundial]

Common sense isn’t so common

[jagged sonnet]

The game should remain unchanged or the devs didn’t intend for the game to be like this

[echo grotto]

Thats why people dont want the scaling change so they can cheese the strike

[quasi bramble]

only for 50-55 players

[mossy prawn]

ok that’s a bit ridiculous

idk if it’s serious or not

[quasi bramble]

I'm not being serious

[dim rover]

its too far above the others but necessary for the imbalance of current enemy units

[wheat flax]

the best AoE in the game on a very tanky body with cold immune AND poison immune AND good explosive modifier

and 36 minute heal time

[echo grotto]

Are you lvl 56?

[quasi bramble]

it's overstatted, but so are all the enemies

[solar plover]

now this is wrong since we are talking different timeframes, the game RN as of the very present we are living in rn should be unchanged but i do agree with the sentiment that madrona is gonna have to add new content aswell as balance units that are too op or just not used

[wheat spindle]

-# Not having their Maulers ranked in time.

[wheat flax]

yes

[echo grotto]

Not if theyre staying back at 55

[solar plover]

both can coexist

[umbral socket]

[echo grotto]

The problem is if they dont change some of the things itll alienate a lot of the less dedicated playerbase such as the more f2p or casual players. By the time the game is fully implemented and can be adjusted there wont be many people left

[solar plover]

anyways im gonna admit im more annoyed and salty, since i willingly gave up more content at lvl 56 for a slight advantage in the next bs, not gonna argue that im doing all this arguing for some obscure reason

[night spade]

They got that cool factor which increases damage by 4x

[dapper hornet]

Making 55 do lvl60 encounters also messes over new players that are trying, but failed to get to 56 and prep in time

[echo grotto]

Read the suggestion

[night spade]

They’re arguing that level 56 gets put in 55 bracket not the other way around

[wicked anvil]

Didn’t OP argue that the preferred option was to slot L56 players into the L51-55 bracket

[silk ridge]

BN is just a open world rpg 🗣️

[dapper hornet]

I'm talking about some of the people in the thread, not the main post with that comment

[wheat flax]

madrona should add trainable elite silver wolfs and raiders and also let us train the and

[tight sundial]

This thread was perfectly on topic this whole time until that

[echo grotto]

Wouldnt it be nice if it didnt have to be that way like a suggestion was implemented to fix that and was easy to do?

[dim rover]

both sides are just playing for an advantage tbh but i genuinely want f2ps/normal players to not get screwed over just because they didnt metagame and ignore the new content thats in front of them

[night spade]

Okay people I have found the ultimate solution, we’re scrapping BS2 and everyone just gets 1 of every unit so you can beat everything in the game instantly

[stoic sleet]

Just cancel BS2 at this point

Wow same brain

[wheat flax]

F2Ps don’t matter they don’t keep the lights on and keep food on the table at madrona

[night spade]

🤝

[jagged sonnet]

Bait used to be believable

[wheat flax]

they aren’t watching ads either

[jagged sonnet]

I’m hoping it’s bait

[umbral socket]

Woah woah let's not throw me in the same bucket as these two camps. I made similar suggestions before I even joined MM because I have a strong violent reaction towards anything that doesn't make sense

[solar plover]

i would have been so much more agreeable with this suggestion had it come out earlier

[night spade]

Watch ads for BS points

[solar plover]

but it is what it is

[stoic sleet]

Tapjoy BS points

[solar plover]

maybe the devs will change maybe they wont

[balmy trail]

The ragebait in suggestions is unparalleled

[quasi bramble]

I'm just calling out bad design, I don't care about my own performance in a boss strike

[night spade]

Replace the “Fight!” button with “Watch an ad”

[dim rover]

well in general then

not everyone

[dapper hornet]

I fully support BS changes, but this thread just reeks of "i made a bad decision"

[dim rover]

i know i tried to prevent this beforehand too

[wheat flax]

make battle nations cost 20 dollars

[dapper hornet]

It's just a pity thread instead of fixing the game

[dapper dawn]

damn we going triple A now?

[wheat flax]

what does this even mean?

[lime raptor]

How tall she

[stoic sleet]

Speaking of pity can we get a boss drop pity system???

[lime raptor]

Did you catch her in a pokeball

[jagged sonnet]

Goodfellas, not girlfriend

[olive basalt]

Bs2 was just announced Friday, did you want this thread to be made Thursday morning?

[dim rover]

i went to 56 willingly and knowingly and I still intend to do well in BS but tbh I didnt even think of the f2ps so only now im arguing in their favor

[dapper hornet]

P2W whales at 56 saying it's "for the F2P" when they want a advantage

[night spade]

Triple A is 80 dollars for the base game and 300 if you want the pre-order bonus that includes a powerful to… oh wait we have that

[proven minnow]

nah thatd be 80 bucks

[dapper dawn]

true... i forgot

[olive basalt]

If this was implemented this week, what advantage would they have though? It’s either this week or not at all, so I don’t really think it’s happening. But if the brackets were announced today to be 51-56 has the original 51-55 fights, everyone’s on the same field

[wheat flax]

losing is the entire point, if you don’t like losing then don’t play

[onyx fog]

tbf casinos give decents comps if you lose a lot

[quasi bramble]

yeah where's the advantage

yeah casinos do give out free stuff to people who pay lots of money

[balmy trail]

They do give free drinks

[wicked anvil]

Taco, are you trying to say that we should view playing Battle Nations as akin to playing in a casino, where the purpose of the casino is to literally extract money hand over fist from you?

[quasi bramble]

it keeps people invested and coming back

[glacial eagle]

Do I get free alcohol when I loss enough tanks?

[olive basalt]

For all we know the brackets already are set to 51-56

[elfin heart]

You get infinite gears from NH to make more

[olive basalt]

You could have them too 👉👈

[rotund zealot]

I wonder as well simply because it would be easier for the devs

[wheat flax]

yes

[rotund zealot]

Why make a whole extra level set for 56

[stoic sleet]

BRING BACK SECRET VAULTS

[dim rover]

it would be so funny if they did this

[rotund zealot]

Just throw em in theother one

[glacial eagle]

But I want hooch

[river palm]

OG BN also died

[fading iris]

I like the idea. Approved 👍

[wheat flax]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-gambling-gif-3937562841362806777

[balmy trail]

Are we arguing that OG BN had good design now?

Remove the fight again button, it ruins my immersion

[dim rover]

sadly i think more ppl feel that way than i thought 😭

[olive basalt]

We should not ever be saying “well it was this way in og”…
We want it to be BETTER

[wheat flax]

people finding out that OG BN was a predatory P2W game is on the same level as star wars fans finding out the clone troopers were the bad guys the entire time

[quasi bramble]

a lot of us alraedy knew

[olive basalt]

No one’s finding out, we just apparently have people here going “actually the empire had it right the first time”

[umbral socket]

Maybe it would have been better if King won the lawsuit and we got a game from scratch without any of the old baggage

[olive basalt]

Nah

[tight sundial]

I played the game the way it’s intended= bad decision

[quasi bramble]

Time to start a conspiracy that King lost on purpose to sabotoge Madrona

[echo grotto]

How is wanting to experience the level cap increase update for what it has to offer a bad choice? That's why its a bad game decision in the first place

[olive basalt]

Madrona has done well I think. It’s never going to be perfect, but I think things will turn up once they start implementing original content

[quasi bramble]

*once they start rebalancing things

[river palm]

Exactly what I'm hoping for 🙏
But the wait will painfully remind me why the OG died

[karmic elk]

Isn’t this just a lesser version of the pick ur own difficulty thing

[wheat flax]

OG didn’t die it was very popular before the game was shut down

[umbral socket]

Emp Pickle is here. About to summon the GF legion for us

[echo grotto]

Exactly they think theyre being screwed over by this when all it does is make it so the bad game design is removed which benefits everyone and hurts noone

[merry minnow]

#justice for lvl56 and F2P player like me

[wicked anvil]

f2p with ur 100 hcv?

😂

[jolly crest]

I am an ftp and I won’t lumbermax

[wheat flax]

humanoid you have mammoth you are literally not F2P

[river palm]

Clearly it was so good that Z2 had to shut it down to give other mobile games a fair chance

[echo grotto]

Won in a giveaway

[wheat flax]

that’s what happened though

[quasi bramble]

it did die, did you see what the whole studio sold for?

the whole studio was worth it's competition's low performers

[karmic elk]

But even 51-55 is kinda difficult for casual players that don’t really grind units and just get on and collect exp no?

[stoic sleet]

Wait you guys paid for Mammoth role? I just pinged Alex and he gave it to me

[wheat flax]

that’s not relevant

[quasi bramble]

we don't have player numbers, but it was clearly on a downward path if the studio sold out and it got shut down by a greedy company

[wheat flax]

no?

[quasi bramble]

if it actually had a decent playerbase, that wouldn't have happened

[jolly crest]

How has this generated so much yapping shouldn’t yall be focused on grinding to lvl56

[prisma raft]

many such cases

[tight sundial]

Devs lock this thread to those lvl 56. Everyone else irrelevant and will be unaffected either way

[jolly crest]

“Play the game”

[wheat flax]

plenty of successful businesses get sold out and close because the owner gets tired of working

sell your company to king for a fat paycheck and sit back in a house in the bahamas for the rest of your life

[river palm]

https://tenor.com/view/estou-com-medo-gif-24487508

[jolly crest]

If I said give us lvl70 encounters will that appease everyone?

[river palm]

Cope or ragebait, call it

[tight sundial]

I accept

[jolly crest]

Or maybe lvl30 encounters so we can play in the Ronald McDonald playplace

[stoic sleet]

Every enemy formation is just 3 LSW and there’s a mod to make all player damage fire type

[quasi bramble]

could be either, or both

[olive basalt]

Yes

[quasi bramble]

freeze would still work

[stoic sleet]

No

[wheat flax]

every player formation has every slot filled with portable wall except one so you can only place one unit

[stoic sleet]

Just one spot on the back row is open and you can only bring wimps

[wheat flax]

starting a battle now costs 1 nanopod

or you can watch an ad

[stoic sleet]

Spend 10 nanopods after winning to double rewards

[wheat flax]

this is cooking

or watch another ad

[stoic sleet]

All troops that die in BS2 permanently die unless you pay $4.99

[wheat flax]

you have to spend heal tokens to heal units and you can only get heal tokens by doing the wine job at the grocery store

[paper idol]

I can get behind this, f2p will love

[silk ridge]

Why so? A few days after the Easter egg announcement I think is very reasonable

[paper idol]

All troops that die you havw to pay for. Aka get a job losers

[stoic sleet]

Their units were free anyways who cares

[silk ridge]

I would go back to the casino in the future

[stoic sleet]

After winning a fight for BS, you flip a coin and either double the points or score nothing

[wheat flax]

this for real

[stoic sleet]

Add an in game roulette table and let us gamble BS2 points

[umbral socket]

Wait a second a gray name in MM?

[silk ridge]

Scale it with as frag drops that you have, each frag increase your odds by 5%

[silk ridge]

You can gamble with other guilds

[umbral socket]

https://tenor.com/view/listen-here-you-little-meme-you-little-shit-damn-you-damn-it-chicken-kiev-gif-25718782

[silk ridge]

💩 👂

[paper idol]

Cba with patreon anymore. Just spending it in epic store instead. Better rate

[compact isle]

Didn't we all prepare wimps R6 and mass-produced tanks exactly for too hard BS since almost a year?

[umbral socket]

It isn't about it being hard. It is more about how you get less at a higher level

[compact isle]

I understand

That's seems true

[gritty meadow]

I haven’t really had time to backread unfortunately, but it doesn’t seem like great game design to force people to not progress in order to score better. A lot of the protest to the idea appears to be from people who have chosen to stay at level 55 deliberately, which is kinda emphasizing the problem here where not progressing through the game actually gives you an advantage. I’d especially like to note that level 56 is the threshold F2Ps / low spenders need to hit to acquire large quantities of the only viable tank they have access to in an accessible manner.

[compact isle]

I just thought for that we did the kamikazetroops which even f2p could do. Still 56 is indeed much more harder. I hope you guys find a good solution together

[jagged sonnet]

Most of the problems stem from the fact that 56-65ish is a nothingburger combined with the fact that madrona increased the level cap to 56

Which is in the threshold for 56-60 level encounters which is considerably more difficult that the previous threshold

And I’ll put this here from earlier

[gritty meadow]

It seems most reasonable that either level 56 gets folded into the 51-55 bracket, and thus there is no incentive to delay progression. Or that level 56 offers meaningfully increased points proportional to the increase in difficulty, again removing the incentive to delay progression. Both would be fairly reasonable courses of action.

[jagged sonnet]

There you have our argument

But some people are salty because they minmaxxed their levels to get easier formations during boss strike

But I’ve said my peace about this, there’s too much ragebait and I hope madrona does look at this suggestion

[karmic elk]

Just stay at level 55

[mossy prawn]

49 maxing

[karmic elk]

[compact isle]

I hope the points increase as well. That would be most fair and easy

If we want that devs do something, we need respect each other opinions and push that one we like even it's from another guildmember

[umbral socket]

MM only has respectful members

[ebon glade]

Like Oolki said earlier as well, we also just need more and better units so we have variety and options when it comes to strikes and not rely on the few and limited options we have 😪

[umbral socket]

Watch as we get a crush mod for the strike and the entire thing becomes wimps vs batman

[ebon glade]

☠️

[mossy prawn]

TIME TO PLUG MY MODIFIER SUGGESTION

[mossy prawn]

and then i fall asleep 10 minutes in

[umbral socket]

That link is the real copypasta

[gritty meadow]

In the end, this is a game. People want to have fun in addition to competing. Delaying progression and content for the sake of min-maxing points just seems to be taking a lot of the fun out of the game for no good reason.

Furthermore, people outside of the competitive guilds or even the discord are the ones who are going to get screwed over the most by this. We at least understood that there would be a difficulty increase with level 56. Your average player is not going to be poring over BS formations from a decade ago. They’re going to play the game normally, level up, get demolished, and not have fun. That’s how a game dies.

[ebon glade]

Wait, which one is that one, I don’t think I’ve seen it

[karmic elk]

This game has been min maxxed and not new player friendly since day 1

[umbral socket]

You are right. Let's make it worse

[ebon glade]

Honestly, true

[ebon glade]

Introduce mega nanopods

[dim rover]

someone who gets it 🙏

[karmic elk]

lol half the time I advocate to make it better it just gets shut down

[umbral socket]

So megapods

[karmic elk]

No such thing as a free lunch or something or it’s all just mindset

[ebon glade]

Yes, double the price of a regular nanopod, with no added benefit besides it being a trophy nanopod 😎

[gritty meadow]

And that’s absolutely true, I’m not denying that. But don’t we want the game to be better and more accessible to people so it can thrive? Madrona have implemented a few great QoL changes already, so why stop there?

[karmic elk]

That’s what I always ask for

[compact isle]

I like Pyro a lot and his words

[rotund zealot]

Pyro is pretty cool

Except when he whipped me and told me no more building warhammer last night

[umbral socket]

Is there a good recommendation you made that got shut down by a majority instead of a few vocal minorities?

[mossy prawn]

tbh i don’t really care, i don’t think m it’s serious enough for anything to change

[compact isle]

Sometimes happen heresy, says me, as slanesh slave ahaha

[umbral socket]

You do care. It is an opportunity to plug your post

[ebon glade]

I need to know what it is!

[echo grotto]

Gotta know what the devs think of all this. No way this isnt something they arent thinking about now at this point

[mossy prawn]

every suggestion is a opportunity to plug my post

[umbral socket]

Now that's worth a screenshot and a sticker

[mossy prawn]

Highly doubt it, the waves arent so hard that guilds can’t hit T10 consistently and it really only affects Top 100 placements

like bottom of the barrel for priority, probably

[echo grotto]

Idk if they keep 56 as is most f2p will be fried lol

[mossy prawn]

https://discord.com/channels/463817609130016788/1440468675420491846

[ebon glade]

I’d love to know what they think too, but they hardly reply on here 🫠😭

[umbral socket]

I'd be surprised if more than 40 guilds hit T10 if they kept the cold damage and doesn't give us a mod

[echo grotto]

Even i have issues at times with those lineups and im a whale with all meta units

[mossy prawn]

change that to T11 and i’ll agree

i think you’re underestimating the playerbase quite a bit

[umbral socket]

You think there will be significantly more T11s than last strike?

[mossy prawn]

no, but i don’t think only 40 guilds are hitting T10

[ebon glade]

Just gave it a like, idk how I never saw it

[mossy prawn]

we’ve had a couple months to solidify guilds and let people get their footing

[elfin heart]

If they’re going for 2m score yea, if they’re going for T10 score nah

[umbral socket]

It was 60 T10s last strike and this one will be harder, especially with my premise of the cold mod

[elfin heart]

Remember that T10 is way easier than you think

[mossy prawn]

Guilds are in a much better spot than they were last strike

[elfin heart]

I’d guess 50-60 T10s this time

[mossy prawn]

agree

[umbral socket]

The top guilds perhaps, but the lower guilds all just lost their best members

[elfin heart]

Harder BS with more prep time and a specific event telling you “get maulers”

[mossy prawn]

they certainly didn’t

[echo grotto]

The urge to @ the devs

[mossy prawn]

not everyone trickles up

[elfin heart]

Did they really? I don’t know much about smaller guilds

[umbral socket]

I only see this if no cold environment

[echo grotto]

Definitely

[elfin heart]

130k per person is pretty easy though

[umbral socket]

I know enough to know that I recruited a bunch of them

[elfin heart]

Oh lmao

[echo grotto]

Plenty of them didnt like that they scored high in their weak guild so they go to a comp guild on par with their talents

[elfin heart]

No wonder

[echo grotto]

Why same here

[gritty meadow]

I mean, I’m a mega whale and placed top 100 last BS myself (barely ). But my personal opinion has always been that the game should be balanced around a fairly average guild of F2P / low spend players being able to clear T10 with a decent bit of effort. Perhaps not easily, but it shouldn’t be impossible. That’s what I would consider to be fair. Competitive guilds still have the room to stretch their legs and compete with each other, but more casual players aren’t totally locked out of content.

[elfin heart]

Still think it’ll be around 40-60, for T10 you don’t need high performers as much as you just need consistent players which should be way more than last time

[meager eagle]

T10 basically just needs your entire guild to log in daily

[silk ridge]

I think the avg person doesn’t have maxed wimps or more than 1 digit tanks, they’re not going to even make it past wave 3 atp

[elfin heart]

Okay if they don’t have R6 wimp that’s on them for trying the endgame mode without R6 wimp lmao

[silk ridge]

That’s fair, just wish we had something to transmit the game info

Before I joined disc I literally had 0 clue what was meta, even with the wiki

[elfin heart]

If they have no wimp, no tanks, no maulers and are level 53+ then that’s kinda on them ngl…

[meager eagle]

if you have a very small guild or everyone is massively underprepared it'll be rough but I can't see it being bad enough to have fewer guilds hit t10

[echo grotto]

Yeah if last strike taught us anything its that even an easier strike like that is gonna have plenty of guilds not be able to do the events let alone this one

[silk ridge]

Also obligatory fandom sucks and don’t use it

[ebon glade]

Same ☠️

[silk ridge]

Unfortunately if we don’t bring these types of players up to par the games going to remain uenjoyable

[dim rover]

so real 🙏

[elfin heart]

Last strike was 2 weeks after guilds dropped, there was 0 time to get non-established guilds together at all

[silk ridge]

I agree with t10 being easy if consistent, but I don’t have confidence in most players being good enough to clear enough waves

Odds r they’ll stuck waiting for heals most of the 3-4 days

[elfin heart]

I mean sure, but in other games you reach endgame and find it too hard so you strengthen your account, not beg devs to make endgame easier

Also no need to clear all 4 waves a few hours of wimp spam gets you 130k

[silk ridge]

Last one was also a anomaly with firemod tbh

I’ll withhold my final judgement depending on the result from this next bs (and if there’s a cold dot mod)

But I have a feeling most ppl will be way under prepped

[echo grotto]

I do agree with that part, problem tho is 1. The smaller guilds are gutted with the comp guilds getting all their good performers, 2. We havent really had too many new players since the last boss strike which just exasperates the issue from point 1.

[mossy prawn]

T10 requires you to play like 5 hours if you’re underprepared

[elfin heart]

I’d say 60 guilds hitting T10 with 2 weeks of prep is a good sign

[wheat flax]

it’s too bad because pyro is one of my favorite classes in tf2 and he sucks in BN

[elfin heart]

Don’t really need top players just need active people who are average

[umbral socket]

100%. Anyone not running 200+ tanks are probably screwed

[elfin heart]

I don’t think MM is taking a lot of people scoring 100k…

[silk ridge]

That’s fair, but there isn’t a very accessible way for them to reach the info is a part of the problem, we need either or. I’m fine with hard difficulty as long as there’s a clear path to it, and obviously rewards that scale with the difficulty

[echo grotto]

Not really besides maybe some project players for DHM our 3rd guild

[silk ridge]

Which kinda also comes back to 56 should have higher bsp to match the upped difficulty and lack of stronger unis

[elfin heart]

Yea exactly so they just need people like that who are active and consistent, and they hit T10

Not exactly hard

[umbral socket]

Nah but not all guilds have 100 members and 130k is average. Top guilds are taking those well above average

[echo grotto]

I think my point is theres surprisingly not a lot of players that do that even now. It seems wack but thats just the situation

[silk ridge]

Most ppl probably don’t have wimps

[elfin heart]

I mean it’s an easy goal and doesn’t require anything but wimp, it’s the bare minimum for an endgame mode imo

[gritty meadow]

Take Snakes and the Ancient Sentinel for example. How much harder was it for people without snakes to kill the sentinel? Very much so. Even more so if they were F2P. So that puts their progress weeks to months behind a lot of us here.

And now that level 56 is finally available to them for gears and trebuchets to make that kill just a bit more accessible, they’ll find themselves being punished for it come time for Boss Strike.

Maybe it’s just me, but that does seem quite disheartening.

[glacial eagle]

Boar for T13

[silk ridge]

Tbh I would enjoy a compromise where the t1-10 point threshold is lowered, and results in the t10+ being lowered as well (but still doubled ig)

[silk ridge]

Yea I agree, but most ppl still aren’t doing it which is a problem we need a solution for somehow

[umbral socket]

Yeah, just need to take the BS1 points

[elfin heart]

Maybe a mission to tell people “hey wimps are really good R6 them”

[wheat flax]

if you aren’t playing the game then there is nothing the devs can do that can help

[elfin heart]

If they still don’t their fault

[silk ridge]

And rewards vials… that’s actually nice

[umbral socket]

I don't think it is healthy for the entire endgame to be unlocked by one unit

[elfin heart]

It’s not though

[silk ridge]

Well more like doable and scale able. It’s still hell though

[elfin heart]

You can just as easily clear with heavier + mauler

[wheat flax]

wimp isn’t even that good, it’s just a check to see if someone is willing to put in time to play the game

[elfin heart]

Wimp is just the bare minimum

[wheat flax]

mauler mogs on wimp

[silk ridge]

And to elaborate, wimps are way easier to scale than those

[elfin heart]

You could have R6 mauler and R6 heavier and not need wimp

[silk ridge]

No steel/widget tax

[gritty meadow]

I try

[elfin heart]

But if you want the easiest way out wimp spam

[wheat flax]

i don’t even need wimps right now

[silk ridge]

If you don’t have maxed wimps you def don’t have maxed hvyrs 😂

[elfin heart]

I mean someone could lmao

[gritty meadow]

In my defense, I’m just as cooked with my own pile of shame, if not more so.

[elfin heart]

It just goes to show wimp isn’t necessary for endgame/BS

[glacial eagle]

I’m building a colossus’s army this weekend I don’t need wimps

[wheat flax]

colossy

[silk ridge]

The next event is for scaling maulerswhich makes wimps even less necessary

[silk ridge]

15% * 15% * 15%…

[night spade]

Almost 1.6k messages

Keep going people!

[elfin heart]

Yeah and like every info source is plastered with “maulers insane get maulers” lmao

[wheat flax]

mauler is literally wimp 2

[echo grotto]

I won't stop till the devs make a response

[gritty meadow]

I’m doing my best

[mossy prawn]

The colussy march onwards

[glacial eagle]

My calculations say I should get 3 more 🤪

[silk ridge]

Actually just make it easy: next infected event has us fight maulers, with a additional mission that gives us 5 b nanos, a free Bigfoot, and then grantees a colossus after ending with “uh better luck next time”

[elfin heart]

[umbral socket]

They should also make the announcement in the in game mail

[elfin heart]

Would be nice ngl

Game needs better ways of giving out info

[main mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/tomatothink-gif-23324294

[slender cipher]

I'm sorry friend I had to ask for more

[jagged sonnet]

Give her a cookie, iirc she enjoys those

[silk ridge]

It would be funny if they raised the cap to plasma before bs and screwed everyone in this thread

[elfin heart]

That would be hilarious

[silk ridge]

Invalidates all opinions instantly

If they read this thread I hope this is the takeaway

[arctic reef]

there will be no cookies for anyone. I'm adding to my list

[elfin heart]

He’s on the list anyways he has a frag

[arctic reef]

this list is getting pretty big... it might make more sense to write down who isn't an opp instead

save me time

[scarlet hatch]

Let’s make 51-55 same as 56

Death to everyone

[arctic reef]

everyone should just embrace the pain

actually make 51-55 harder than the lvl 56 waves because they are trying to hide from the challenge

its unacceptable behaviour

[scarlet hatch]

Make them fight 70 formations

Annihilate the cowards

[floral sinew]

If you were like level 35 last bs did you get equal points per victory? Like 5.5-6k?

[scarlet hatch]

No

Less points for lower levels

[floral sinew]

Thanks. Good.

[stoic sleet]

Can’t wait for this thread to revive when Madrona moves the level cap to 61 during this maintenance break

[dapper hornet]

I can beat that, one ex PWX did Garbage trucks first, iirc

[meager eagle]

actual madman

[silk ridge]

BS points first, then we’ll start 🧑‍⚖️

[glacial eagle]

This has gone quite are all the whale’s favouriting their nano troops?

[scarlet hatch]

no frag?

idt nano troops even help its really a frag check

[umbral socket]

Nah. Favoriting takes minutes. Lunch break

Did you know? 👀

[elfin heart]

I’ve known for a long time, when I saw that copypasta I got curious so I dug up who wrote it

A user named “TitaniumTalons” which I had seen mentioned in here too

[umbral socket]

I knew that was gonna come back to bite me

[cobalt garden]

no

skill issue

[umbral wedge]

This, for the love of god this

[merry minnow]

[silk glen]

i agree with this only if us lvl 55'ers get lvl 46-50 battles

[mossy prawn]

[karmic elk]

What if everyone just gets whatever level they want

But with point penalties

So they can’t make it on the leaderboard

[silk glen]

dont plug ur suggestion

L

[vague nova]

U

[vague nova]

I just mechanically dgaf about the leaderboard tbh. In any game. Ever.

[karmic elk]

i just dont think anyone should be locked out of BS if they have trash units let them fight trash enemies for trash points

[scarlet hatch]

Lv51-55 should fight lv30 formations for lv30 points

Lv56 get to fight lv70 formations for lv70 points

Live a coward or die a hero

[karmic elk]

They can even make it so you get like 75-50% of the points of an actual level 30 player or something

[silk glen]

no

die

no quarter for the wicked

[karmic elk]

Says the guy going against elites with no frag

[silk glen]

if u score lower than me

istg

surely

[graceful wren]

Who’s winning rn

[karmic elk]

Me

[graceful wren]

What side are you on

[karmic elk]

my side

[jolly crest]

Why are we scared of ranking the elemental trooper guys? Just go to lvl56 he’s more afraid of you than you are of him

[night spade]

Not worth it for how much less points that is, we calced it just to be sure before the cap increase

[silk glen]

ive heard enough, give the lvl 55 ppl 2x points, give the 56 ppl 2x less

[scarlet hatch]

put lv70 chunooks in formations for all levels

no dodging it now

[silk glen]

no, give it to all the lvl 56 ppl

they should learn their lesson

[scarlet hatch]

you get 3 chunooks in each wave

enjoy your 3 t7 chunooks

on the right side

[echo grotto]

Seems so far most people are in favor of this. Glad to get a lot of discussion over it. Hopefully the devs will consider this and address it publicly so noone is second guessing

[vestal fiber]

i just now noticed this thread and honestly this sounds like such a bad idea to do and i hope they dont go through with it

and honestly disappointed that this was started by MM also with how many times i personally said to properly think about staying 55, just to have (pretty sure) like everyone disagree with me and an announcement made by the leader that 56 is recommended

@paper idol in response to the clown reaction

[scarlet hatch]

I think we just generally agree that denying ppl of seeing new content and unlocking stuff that will help them progress (radios for AS) just to make them do more points for your guild is kinda selfish and stupid

[paper idol]

https://tenor.com/view/nerve-irritated-lol-gif-5540088

[quasi bramble]

The better thing to do would 100% be level range choice, but that likely isn’t possible at the moment, so this is a good bandaid until that could be done

[karmic elk]

FIGHT

FIGHT

FIGHT

FIGHT

FIGHT

[vestal fiber]

god forbid there be any pros and cons in a video game that impact a very short amount of time

[scarlet hatch]

Like if my guild leader made me stay at 55 to do better I will think twice about being part of that team

[paper idol]

Ahh so ofc you support smth that would effectively render you staying 55 useless

[night spade]

No my favourite strategy game can’t have me strategize when I pay this much money!!! /s

[daring mulch]

wiki with all of the level + formations exists btw

[karmic elk]

This what I said

[dapper dawn]

nah you are protecting bad game design to these people

[scarlet hatch]

My advice is really get wimps and pray

[daring mulch]

oh sorry for assuming people are using their brain and sources to create strategies

[night spade]

He’s just sad he’s bad at f***ing boss strike

[karmic elk]

lol strategy is purposely not playing parts of the game?

[quasi bramble]

It is bad game design though

Anything that actively discourages exploring new content in a game is really bad

[karmic elk]

Especially when the release came prior to the boss strike announcement

[night spade]

I mean are we not?

I’m sorry people, staying at level 55 removes all future content even when you do level up

[karmic elk]

I mean I’m down with fighting the level 56 units that’s why I leveled up but defending it is pretty stupid

[night spade]

All your missions get removed

[daring mulch]

yeah its so joever for you, you will never get to experience story ever again

[karmic elk]

Except when new level cap came out there was no info on when boss strike is

For another

[night spade]

RIP to my main account

[karmic elk]

2 weeks almost

[silk glen]

it is a strat, whether you think it's good or not.

[scarlet hatch]

If 56 doesn't lock items that give F2P what they need to kill AS (radio and treb) AND doesn't give you any edge in bs because you don't get any good mass produced units, then I would agree.

As it stands this is an active punishment for ppl to want to make progress on AS when they otherwise couldn't

[night spade]

I’m so sad I don’t get to play with the new content on there

[silk glen]

i dont think giving the ppl a heads up and an option isnt bad.

[vestal fiber]

• bad at a lot of other things

[night spade]

Guess I’ll just go to my alt that’s playing the new content already

[karmic elk]

@paper idol

[elfin heart]

I will correct you on that AS isn’t killable F2P with treb + radio

[scarlet hatch]

I do let my guild know, but I would rather they not sit at 55 jail for a full month

[karmic elk]

YO HE TALKING SHI ABOUT YOU

[scarlet hatch]

Heavier vet treb radio

Would be ok

[elfin heart]

It’s killable heavier vet anyways but yeah

[karmic elk]

What happened to the 8% HSC Treb Strat

[scarlet hatch]

Much more killable with radio

[silk glen]

thats you, but you cannot speak for everyone else if they strategize otherwise.

[night spade]

I mean, winning the lottery isn’t guaranteed either

[elfin heart]

True lmao

[silk glen]

people do with what they have, and play the game with how the game is structured currently.

[night spade]

But yeah good luck on getting that 0,01% chance of killing the AS and then also the 5.94% of getting a fragment

[scarlet hatch]

Ok actually why did this get so heated

Is the 56 formations that much more punishing

I know you don't get bs power for being 56

[elfin heart]

With the stupid high body attack weighting it killed all F2P formations xd

[silk glen]

nothing is really guaranteed, thats why we have the retreat button.

[vestal fiber]

my brain hurts from reading half these replies, people install and play a strategy game yet they dont want to strategise and complain the second when that is "required"

[elfin heart]

It’s really not

[night spade]

Because Elita voiced their opinion and then immediately got clown reacted for having an opinion

[elfin heart]

55 is ~8% more points/turn

[daring mulch]

braincells dying for lack of braincells

[scarlet hatch]

Hmmm

[silk glen]

it depends, some need all the help that they can get, maybe if u have like 2 or more frags, it might not matter much.

player dependent.

[scarlet hatch]

Ok but like using bs points to hammer down an opinion

[dense sonnet]

Any time I mention a nerf to keep strategy a key aspect of the game, the amount of people crying about it is insane

[scarlet hatch]

Not nice

[quasi bramble]

When the “strategy” in question is actively ignoring much of the game

That is bad design

[scarlet hatch]

When bs points is just time spent

[night spade]

Is it?

[karmic elk]

Fraggers unite

[scarlet hatch]

For BS1 especially so

[night spade]

I spent less time than some playing and got good a score thanks to strategy

[silk glen]

staying at 55 is a STRAT.

whether ppl agree or not

[vestal fiber]

"much of the game" - level 56 only

edit: its not ignoring either its just delaying it aka strategizing

[elfin heart]

It’s not entirely, but a part of it is time spent for sure

Time spent + efficiency

[karmic elk]

I mean technically if you wanna max BS

[quasi bramble]

That was the actual clown part of the conversation

[karmic elk]

you would stay at 55 forever

[scarlet hatch]

Yeah ik

[karmic elk]

And never level up

[scarlet hatch]

2m and 2.7m is what? 6 hours of time

[night spade]

Yeah I would

I have 3 accounts for a reason

[elfin heart]

You would not lmao

[scarlet hatch]

Not an indication of skill but I agree it's an indication of dedication

[elfin heart]

PArty is so dumb

[night spade]

Okay PArty would change my mind

[scarlet hatch]

And certainly not an indication that an opinion is correct

[night spade]

But I have an account at level 12

So staying a level isn’t new

[elfin heart]

Oh right the level 12 accounts

If only those were better lmao

[night spade]

Yeah

But people acting like this is some secret tech

[quasi bramble]

I’d argue using an indication of dedication as correctness is a sign someone probably shouldn’t be listened to

[scarlet hatch]

Idk what's the best level to sandbag at with still a good point/time

[elfin heart]

Technically it’s like 35 or 40 with wimp probably

[scarlet hatch]

Maybe 40 or 45

40 was busted in bs1

[elfin heart]

Nah you wanted 49 for BS1 for HCT + dragon

[scarlet hatch]

Hmmm

[silk glen]

35 was busted in bs1

[elfin heart]

50 probably would’ve been optimal for BS1

[silk glen]

our highest f2p scorer showed that

[night spade]

The best place to sandbag is level 70 with PArty and PEF

[silk glen]

[woven cosmos]

Really funny seeing people discuss changing something over a small percentage, while I am laughing in the corner with my guild getting 30% bonus 🤣

[scarlet hatch]

I can do 1M+ with like, 10 pk and 10 chuckers and 10 FA at 40

[wide ravine]

The message I’m getting is we did an oopsies even though there were plenty of resources available and now I’m gonna hide behind the banner of its for the F2P players for that I can get a better score for the leaderboard.

[elfin heart]

Drop all formations to level 35 to make things balanced

[scarlet hatch]

Now is MM fight time your time will be soon

[night spade]

Just make it level 15 scaled

[karmic elk]

If the unit is ass

[woven cosmos]

MM and HSC both ez, now what

[karmic elk]

I’m joining a 20 man guild

[night spade]

We’re fighting this next BS to make things fair for everyone

[dense sonnet]

I’m hoping a raw score leaderboard is implemented lmao

[karmic elk]

Me and 19 of dons alt account

[elfin heart]

Fight Alex’s guild next

[night spade]

Now it’s really about time spent grinding

[woven cosmos]

I hope not so you can seethe more

[scarlet hatch]

Ok like I'm supposed to be fighting against this change because I have a frag right? Which side am I supposed to take smh

[silk glen]

damn how many do u guys have

[dense sonnet]

#70 yeah?

[karmic elk]

Technically MM had the boost last time

Over like every top 20 guild

[vestal fiber]

the fact people use the F2P excuse is insane too, if they cared for F2P they would ask madrona to give non nano unit formations more points or something that truly benefits F2P only

[karmic elk]

And that’s why they were higher on the leaderboard

[woven cosmos]

who won the first boss strike? yeah not you lil bro

[dense sonnet]

We stick to the numbers

[dense sonnet]

Idk, don’t think they exist anymore

[lime raptor]

A fellow 55 er? 😍

[dense sonnet]

Forgotten from the history books

[night spade]

Or you know, continue to fight for a f2p possible AS

[woven cosmos]

good cope

ngl

[silk glen]

wassup drip, u a 55'er as well?

[dapper dawn]

<(")

[silk glen]

[scarlet hatch]

PWX died with Ballzy, he was THE winner

[night spade]

We have Dragoonerism to carry the flame now

[quasi bramble]

I have been doing this for so long, but every time I bring up nerfing AS to make it less rng and doable free to play, people go after me

[wide ravine]

Politicians promise is what i see here.

[scarlet hatch]

I think there are ppl who genuinely fight for f2p even though it's against their interest

[karmic elk]

lol

[scarlet hatch]

Like fragment here

[silk glen]

going to 56 just to see the 0% wr treb spam is hilarious

[karmic elk]

Me and you both buddy

[silk glen]

[karmic elk]

Bruh I literally called that shi

Like 3 months ago

[scarlet hatch]

Some ppl do want a more fair game

[karmic elk]

While I was texting and driving

[silk glen]

i remember heudhe did

[lime raptor]

Yeah man

[scarlet hatch]

But maybe changing bs formation isn't it idk

[karmic elk]

Nah I did it first

[night spade]

Arguably the thing I dislike about most of your suggestions is that it should be less work (the R4 units) the AS should always require effort but there should be more accessible units to help with that

[karmic elk]

And then I told him to do the math

[silk glen]

no proof

[karmic elk]

Cuz I was texting and driving

[scarlet hatch]

Could have been one of the other compounded issues like AS, lack of f2p nanos, you know

[quasi bramble]

I also having been hiding behind “but free to play”, my argument has entirely been from a design perspective. Leveling up should never be a bad thing in any respect; that’s bad design

[karmic elk]

Let me keep my r6 account in emerald instead of champ so I can have an easier time

Mindset

[night spade]

I mean fair but denying that there is a legitimate strategy in doing so while the game is like this is ignoring the fact that this is after all still a strategy game that allows for these kinds of things

[silk glen]

ppl have diff ways of playing the game

[elfin heart]

If people wanted this fixed they would’ve asked for it during BS1 when a level 35 player intentionally stopped levelling to place on leaderboard

[scarlet hatch]

It's going to be so funny if we get a good promo that makes the bs easy

And all the prep goes down the drain

[karmic elk]

@paper idol you gonna let ur own MM trash you like that?

[lime raptor]

Anyone else's game bugged so they cant collect their Morgan houses?

[karmic elk]

I wouldn’t take that if I were you

[night spade]

Everyone gets the same tools (unless it’s boss strike related units) how you use those tools is what makes the competitive side so much fun

[quasi bramble]

My main thing with r4 specifically was comparing it to the previous bosses where that was case.

The other major point is needing somewhere to go, requiring maxed out units completely removes the obvious place to go to improve against the boss.

[lime raptor]

Damn right before 56 too

[scarlet hatch]

The inciter

[karmic elk]

That’s just me though

Pickle take no disrespect Liam

That’s me son

[night spade]

Yeah same, crazy right I just want to go to level 56 for Morgan maxxing prestige but the game won’t let me

[karmic elk]

Ok it’s breakfast time

[lime raptor]

Madrona need to fix it 😤 I crave harder boss strike so badly

[scarlet hatch]

Ok but if my guild mate does that to me I'd take the L

[elfin heart]

Make everyone fight level 70 BS, including brand new players

[karmic elk]

I’ve never seen GF fight except that one time over Iran yesterday

[lime raptor]

I second this

[night spade]

I’m dying to give up my strategies and just go brainless mode for BS

[woven cosmos]

We have got a lvl 30 player in our guild ready to spam with wimps for the next upcoming boss strike. I am really interested in how much he will score. Playtime should be similar to hwowkun's

[paper idol]

Ive been leashed by leadership. No choice

[elfin heart]

That is very interesting ngl

I’m interested in how they do too

[scarlet hatch]

Actually why not make everyone fight lv5 formation

[karmic elk]

https://tenor.com/view/zeke-aot-snk-attack-on-titan-paths-gif-24617779

[dense sonnet]

What level are you allowed to participate in a strike?

[lime raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-dog-lennie-not-amused-lenniethesprocker-gif-9993532100611457869

[scarlet hatch]

Would be representative of regular BN gameplay (BFC)

[dapper dawn]

12

[elfin heart]

5 or 10 I think

[dense sonnet]

Time a for a new account

[elfin heart]

I believe there’s level 1-15 formations

[dense sonnet]

TF2 heaviers will get there

[dapper dawn]

damn really?

[elfin heart]

Yea

[dapper dawn]

i thought min lv 12-15?

[scarlet hatch]

Also ur washed, missing 700k points smh

[dapper dawn]

aight

[silk glen]

fixing bn game design less than a month before bs

hmm

interesting

[night spade]

I mean it’s a boss, BN bosses are not meant to farm for anything other than units and resources. It’s just how this game was designed. That said we do need better sources for SP than “redo this one critter battle 1000 times”

[scarlet hatch]

How dare you have an opinion with just 2m points

[elfin heart]

12 is the theoretical minimum because wimp

[quasi bramble]

There was another, similar suggestion further out that got largely ignored

[elfin heart]

But you can play much earlier I think

[night spade]

You can

[silk glen]

im saying i could see this idea if it was suggested earlier

[woven cosmos]

Just get 500 likes on your suggestion ez 🤷‍♂️

[scarlet hatch]

Tbh this thread is just the result of PvP not being released

[silk glen]

this just looks like a last minute hail mary play

[night spade]

I’m pretty sure the current BSx are available the moment you get a unit

[scarlet hatch]

Everyone is here to PvP

[night spade]

All you have to do is join a guild and you can start farming points

[woven cosmos]

why you laughing at your boyfriend

[silk glen]

why is this a sticker

LMAO

[elfin heart]

Yeah, depends on when you can join a guild

[karmic elk]

yooooo

I wouldn’t take that disrespect if I were you

[dense sonnet]

I’ve decided you can join MM now, congrats you’ve been poached

I’ll let you have a +1 too

[night spade]

Pretty sure you can from the moment you stop the tutorial thing and are able to do your own thing

[karmic elk]

I’m pickle take no disrespect Liam

[scarlet hatch]

MM

[silk glen]

do you abduct her or??

[elfin heart]

[lime raptor]

Its complicated rn

[dense sonnet]

Sometimes it feels like you don’t listen to me

[silk glen]

resisting the urge to heed to the npcs of nanoing training times

it was foretold

[lime raptor]

Because I dont

[dense sonnet]

We’re done

[silk glen]

it's a battle of species

fish vs chicken

[quasi bramble]

I’m not sure what this has to do with what I said.

My argument is r5 or lower unit gives the player an indication of how to improve their fight against the boss, r6 doesn’t; it’s also that I used r4 specifically due to that being the case for the other bosses.

I’m not sure where using the boss to farm comes into play here.

[silk glen]

one crossed the road

one swam?

[karmic elk]

WHY DONT WE ALL JUST START CUSSING EACHOTHER OUT IN HERE

[scarlet hatch]

????

[elfin heart]

The ghost ping

[silk glen]

i will offer Liam's head

on a stake

to the highest bidder

[elfin heart]

I saw that smh

[quasi bramble]

A level picker suggestion was suggested earlier though… which is a very similar idea

[karmic elk]

Nothing goes over my head

I’m too fast

[woven cosmos]

So whats the conclusion gonna be here?

[quasi bramble]

I’ve also been bringing up level pickers for a while…

[elfin heart]

https://tenor.com/view/love-and-war-defi-war-token-war-this-means-war-gif-8974606620591130102

[silk glen]

no conclusion

100 years war

commence

[scarlet hatch]

I think we were supposed to have a MM civil war but rationality prevailed

[silk glen]

suggestions is just mm debate channel

we are just spectators

[karmic elk]

It’s cuz BIG CHICKEN came in and put the leashes on

[lime raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/you-didnt-see-anything-see-anything-ghosting-funny-penguin-gif-7879961728026425948

[scarlet hatch]

I don't really care abt the actual argument I just wanted to see a fight start and help start it maybe

[elfin heart]

Some people just want to watch the world burn

[lime raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/book-of-boba-fett-the-mandalorian-this-is-the-way-the-book-of-boba-fett-mandalorian-gif-24825263

[karmic elk]

I just destabilize and occupy other guilds

[silk glen]

wheres brio when u need him

[scarlet hatch]

Aren't you the leadership that leashed down some1

[lime raptor]

No it was fish

[scarlet hatch]

Give me back my show smh

[lime raptor]

But he does need to chill out a bit

[silk glen]

smh

no fun allowed

give me my colosseum

[karmic elk]

Who’s the most unhinged goodfella

Lemme get him in here

[silk glen]

u are

look in the mirror

[scarlet hatch]

Wihvur is prepping an ult

[karmic elk]

https://tenor.com/view/looking-good-garfield-hey-good-looking-hey-handsome-looking-in-the-mirror-gif-20294451

[lime raptor]

No its been cancelled

[night spade]

My bad I misunderstood your argument thinking that you meant it in a way where using lower ranked units would be able to level up from the boss fight.

I still disagree though, the whole idea is to use units that do exactly what they need to do for the boss and we unlock more of those the longer we play. Maybe that’s not the game design that you like but I prefer the whole idea of “bring the right tool for the job” approach the AS has. Theres a challenge to see how many units can fit the niche but they all need to be max ranked to do so well which gets you to grind in a game that is all about grinding.

[karmic elk]

https://tenor.com/view/pov-you-giga-chad-chad-meme-gif-25615024

[elfin heart]

Wihvur and Fragment typing out essays while everyone else is at war

[night spade]

God forbid I want a good faith argument instead of ad hominems and no true Scotsman thrown around all the time like usual

[silk glen]

new cariston republic vs hellstorm corps

[dapper dawn]

how about a bottle of molotov?

[lime raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/black-black-panther-marvel-yibambe-wakanda-gif-14081548

[arctic reef]

[silk glen]

brio's here

[night spade]

I’d prefer this game to improve with well thought out arguments and suggestions

[arctic reef]

ive come to say i hate anyone here with a frag. that is all

[jagged sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/community-gif-23728528

[karmic elk]

appeal to emotion

[silk glen]

wise words

[jagged sonnet]

Hey guys IHOP is giving out free pancakes tod—- what the hell

[scarlet hatch]

Frag users should fight lv70 formations

Non frag users fight lv5 formtions

[silk glen]

they should fight all leg. critters

[karmic elk]

appeal to authority

[silk glen]

4 waves