#Change Suburban houses lvl requirement from 60 to 56 when prestige comes out

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urban flame
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With prestige coming in the next lvl cap, one major issue for f2p and low spenders will be getting enough xp for prestige stars to stay competitive with heavier spenders. With the current regular housing buildings it can take weeks for one to get enough xp to prestige, assuming they even have every house maxed. Meanwhile with morgans, its just over a day. A solution to help bridge this gap could be to allow suburbans to be unlocked earlier so the f2p and low spender players wont hopelessly be left in the dust.

325 pop - 40 modern duplex 1 collection a day
11880 xp per day or 16.8 days for 1 prestige level

325 pop - 81 modern house 1 collection a day
12312 xp per day or 16.2 days for 1 prestige level

325 pop - 65 morgans 4 collections a day
143000 xp per day or 1.4 days for 1 prestige level

360 pop - 72 morgans 4 collections per day
158400 xp per day or 1.3 days for 1 prestige level

325 pop - 81 suburbans 2 collection
115830 xp per day or 1.7 days for 1 prestige level

Notes:
Modern Duplex/house collect every 20 hrs
Morgans collect every 4 hrs
suburbans collect every 8 hrs
325 pop = lvl 56 pop count + lvl 3 permits
also assuming everything is max level

Now while all suburbans is getting close to morgans, it will take many months or even years depending on the player and how much they are upgrading and collecting. Attached is an excel spreadsheet showing how long it will take to transition to suburbans.

Basically it will take 8 months in a situation where your suburbans are instantly built and maxed out. Keeping suburbans at 60 will only make this longer and without things like xp boosts, people not spamming morgans are going to suffer trying to collect prestige stars

subtle rampart
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Agree that it should be available when they add in prestige and 56

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If we can have Morgan houses at a lower level making suburban houses available at 56 would be nice for free 2 play

slow badger
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bringing in the whole xlsx file for this suggestion 🔥

signal ocean
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i need this

silk raptor
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🔥

hot dust
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It’s genuinely insane the difference between Morgan houses and Modern Duplexes/Houses. A real good suggestion to help those free to play players

cloud cedar
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I don’t know… I’m f2p and don’t hate that the best f2p house is late game content. It makes sense and it’s just one more thing for players to work towards. Plus they’re going to take an absurd amount of stars to build.

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Wont complain if Madrona sees fit to implement the change, though. They could always give f2p and p2w players a better housing option later.

signal ocean
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P2w doesn’t need better housing but f2p desperately needs especially for prestige

glad sparrow
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F2P wouldn't exist in DG.

signal ocean
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Also I’m guessing we prob ain’t getting xp boosts or madrona points (haciendas) anytime soon so I would much prefer getting able to start grinding for suburbans sooner rather than later

signal ocean
glad sparrow
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You can only be in DG via Patreon.

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Former Patreon member wouldn't be F2P.

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That's all I'm saying.

signal ocean
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Im subscribed to the patreon but I don’t spend any nanopods. Though like I said I’m prob only person doing that

glad sparrow
blazing granite
glad sparrow
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I don't need reciepts.

blazing granite
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That's as F2P as it gets

glad sparrow
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I don't wanna see em, I already saw his growing pile of nanos.

blazing granite
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Seemed like you were questioning him being F2P and in DG

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Both are true for him, but probably only him

glad sparrow
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Yes because it makes no sense but barring him, and whatever that is he's doing, I think most people who pay for something use it, and when you exist in DG, as a former patreon you probably spent your nanos. Reasonable conclusion. Point being that, Drizzle isn't F2P. Doesn't need a whole dialogue over the status of Dinnee's Nanopods.

blazing granite
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It's not like low spenders don't need Suburbans anyways, most people that "aren't F2P" still don't have the nanos to buy Morgan's Houses

glad sparrow
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I didn't make an argument against that, I just said he isn't F2P.

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I haven't voted at all

blazing granite
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You have to spend a good bit to have nano housing

blazing granite
hollow bane
glad sparrow
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🎣

peak sorrel
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MH unlocks too early

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P2W needs to thug it out with hovels

patent coral
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don’t take away my Morgan houses Sadge

tidal isle
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Dinner is p2f

grizzled swan
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remove all morgan houses

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no refunds

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eat the rich

twin phoenix
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I think suburbans and morgans could size eachother up nicely in terms of production so that F2Ps can keep up. But have those who spent money on the game have more wiggle room. Maybe keep Morgan’s collection amounts the same, but decrease how often between collection times to 12-18 hrs per instead of 4. For suburbans, have them increase frequency to collection every 6-3 hrs. Those who are p2w will have the slight QoL advantage, but both productions should be pretty close.
-# I’m interested to see whats Madrona’s stance on P2W and F2P. The more they delay a rework the more its gets tricky

signal ocean
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imo if you wanted morgans to have a qol advantage i would double its collection amounts but change it to 8 hrs and suburbans get their collection amounts halved but changed to 4 hrs

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its a lot easier to maximize the collection when you only need to do it 3 times a day rather than 6

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but i think rebalancing them is for another discussion

subtle rampart
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I do like the idea of making Morgan houses give the same rate of gold and xp but increase the timers

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I think overall tho housing just needs to be overhauled in general so people arent clicking on every individual housing unit. There needs to be a collect all button or something like that

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Newer players will be turned off from having to monotonously click on every unit

distant python
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I don’t think it’s just newer players…

subtle rampart
glad sparrow
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Destroy the entire housing meta, should never be an impactful choice more than an aesthetic one. Nothing more boring than the minmax of one's base.

distant python
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Having to min-max the housing crisis in a glorified Facebook game was not on my 2026 bingo card.

twin phoenix
distant python
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A 1:1 replica with all the flaws of old BN that made it fail but without any of the slight reprieve Z2 gave us (like extra xp weekends and events).

glad sparrow
subtle rampart
drowsy obsidian
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alrigh

distant python
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Back to flinging mud at each other.

drowsy obsidian
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ideally try not to fall for kratos' ragebait

robust galleon
drowsy obsidian
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guy really walked in here, dropped a single gif, and never spoke again as he left behind a burning trainwreck

torn star
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If mud flinging starts happing, more formal warnings will be issued to ALL involved parties.

drowsy obsidian
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that's incredible power

drowsy obsidian
cosmic yarrow
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I went and grabbed marshmallows kekw

distant python
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Guess we’ll have to settle for the lesser version, mild antagonism.

torn star
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Or you could, you know, just be civil.

drowsy obsidian
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or you know talk about the suggestion at hand

robust galleon
floral summit
fervent cape
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Go for it add this suggestion it’s chill

distant python
robust galleon
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Not much to discuss as long as we allow everyone opinions to count

fervent cape
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Great for an ftp player like me

signal ocean
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yeah the xp gain with current housing is just way too slow

distant python
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Yeah the xp gain with current housing is just way too slow

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Though fixing housing would definitely be in a step in the right direction.

urban flame
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even accounting for shop XP it takes months and months to get better housing as a f2p

robust galleon
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The limitation of demand screws shops for carrying xp mid to late game. Nano shops + free housing still slow af

distant python
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Game is slow

robust galleon
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Game is in development

distant python
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Game is slowly in development

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But that’s a discussion for another time.

robust galleon
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Then don’t mention it Becuase it will misguide the conversation shrug

glad sparrow
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They just cleaned the thread don't make it messy again.

fervent cape
distant python
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A nice buff to the lower end housing would also be appreciated. Especially with the upgrade cap in place stopping you from reliably upgrading housing.

robust galleon
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Immediatley blames me

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Insane work

hot dust
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Pretty fishy

cosmic yarrow
runic salmon
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or they just give us level 60 smoked

robust galleon
runic salmon
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exactly

rancid mesa
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main problem i see is that prestige housing is much lower priority than using your hard earned prestige stars on prestige units

glad sparrow
runic salmon
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in terms of "meta" units its really only radio tech

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beyond that is just personal choice

glad sparrow
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Investing in a manner to get more XP, to get more prestige, is what matters here.

urban flame
glad sparrow
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Hence suggestion.

signal ocean
fervent cape
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Make the super gun truck a prestige unit

urban flame
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  • it takes around a month of housing XP to just prestige twice
fervent cape
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There now prestige is worth it

distant python
rancid mesa
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prestige stars to nanos

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: )

distant python
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As would many

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I’d imagine

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Honestly surprised that hasn’t been suggested.

urban flame
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but it would cut directly into the games profits so I can't see it happening

rancid mesa
delicate depot
robust galleon
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Would just kill income

fervent cape
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Nanos should buy prestige stars

delicate depot
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honestly F2P accessibility to premium currency doesnt always end in doom and despair

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look at warframe

rancid mesa
delicate depot
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in some cases it can motivate people to spend more money, because you give them a little taste

stark marlin
delicate depot
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200 dollars for ugly OP houses

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so sad

robust galleon
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Long term income would decrease. Owning a game is still a business, why shoot themselves in the foot

robust galleon
delicate depot
delicate depot
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which always means more whales

distant python
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Whales will still spend irrespective of a lot of these changes.

delicate depot
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its a tricky system, and by no means am I a business major but its worked in other online gmaes

subtle rampart
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But fr tho they need to buff all the housing besides MHs

delicate depot
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MAKE MY HOVELS OP

subtle rampart
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Nano houses should be better, but other houses including the other nano houses should at least not feel useless outside a few of the units

delicate depot
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new feature: every hovel you own, takes 30 minutes off of your AS respawn

robust galleon
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I’ll sell every mh

delicate depot
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like

subtle rampart
delicate depot
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hear me out rq

robust galleon
subtle rampart
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Gotta reward people that spend money. But I do believe it should be real close

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Which it is already

static sable
fervent cape
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There are too many orange mammoth names here. Ptw players need not contribute

static sable
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though this conversation has gotten derailed again

subtle rampart
delicate depot
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from my point of view of F2P vs P2P, is that P2P could be better (stronger), faster to use/create, or a bit of both

now if you look at how fast you can max out a morgans house and have it producing its like a day or smtn, but a suburban house? that takes FOREVER to get prestige stars

F2P maybe doesn't have the money, but what they do have is time

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if F2P expends their time, to match the advantage of P2P, I feel like thats fair

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P2P gets all the morgans upgraded in 2 weeks, F2P it takes months

subtle rampart
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Like in roblox games they give you a bunch of stuff at first which gets you hooked, then after 250-500 nanos you wanna get more to buy more stuff

delicate depot
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not saying the numbers are 100% fair but the ideology

floral summit
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But an F2P like myself will never match those with both money and time Sadge

lofty thicket
robust galleon
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Yes

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It’s too easy

delicate depot
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thats okay though

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thats like the BS

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of course people with heavy chems are gonna be better then those with only dragons

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but dragons still put in work

delicate depot
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thats why suburbans should = morgans

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also change it to r6

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56

lofty thicket
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Oops derailed a bit but uhhh

lofty thicket
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Obviously would be nice if we can prestige a second upgrade slot as well but alas, new implementations would never happen

signal ocean
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its way too much of a time sink is the problem

delicate depot
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well thats exactly my point

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is they should = morgans because you put more time into it

signal ocean
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like it will take a lot of people probably over a year to swap fully to them

delicate depot
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then morgans

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by a significant amount

robust galleon
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It feels counter intuitive to give prestige before the boss strike to kill the AS, but no method to get prestige stars to kill the as

delicate depot
signal ocean
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with this it will still take many many months

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but it will be at least better

lofty thicket
delicate depot
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is faisal suggesting a reduction in cost or just the reduction in its level availablility?

lofty thicket
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Iirc the OG 5 stars is 65k xp, 200k doesn’t scale it and gives less I think than 15 stars?

fervent cape
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That way ftp player can access like me

subtle rampart
delicate depot
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i think months is ridiculous whether we get it now or later

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like

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8+ months

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probably should just be 5 prestige stars

subtle rampart
delicate depot
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ye

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cuts it down to 4 months

subtle rampart
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Hm

delicate depot
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excluding any other prestige purchases

subtle rampart
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I suppose that would help

delicate depot
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still a huge amount of time

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also give it a 20% buff in EXP and then morgans is just for ease of access

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that would prolly piss a lot of big spenders off

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PULL THAT LADDER UP BEHIND YOU

signal ocean
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i think if we also get xp boosts later down the line that will help

subtle rampart
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Bruh we need boosts

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That would help so much rn for everyone including f2p

delicate depot
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modern duplex:
11880 xp per day or 16.8 days for 1 prestige level
suburban:
115830 xp per day or 1.7 days for 1 prestige level

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that difference is insane

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thats 10x better

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like i know its prestige but we really oughta buff the other houses

robust galleon
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That is insane, make it 20x

subtle rampart
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Bu the time you get to around lvl 60-70 housing should be pretty close or on par with MHs

delicate depot
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okay honestly tho

subtle rampart
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Maybe 10% worse

delicate depot
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if they dropped 56 today

stark marlin
delicate depot
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and we got suburbans with it

delicate depot
stark marlin
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Ah

signal ocean
stark marlin
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That looks like 2 collections, with 3 collections it’s 175k+

copper kraken
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I feel like the solution everyone here is missing, is spending 300$ and buying exclusively Morgans.

It’s essential spending for any serious player lt_morgan

delicate depot
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we wouldnt be able to switch fully over to suburbans by the time we get the level 70 increase

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LOL

stark marlin
signal ocean
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these numbers were with 2 and 325 pop

robust galleon
stark marlin
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Oh 2 collections no wonder

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3 collections is probably pretty doable since they’re 8h periods

delicate depot
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2.5 is probably more accurate for an average player

subtle rampart
stark marlin
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With 3 collections suburbans can rival morgans

copper kraken
urban flame
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still I think the numbers should never be this far apart

stark marlin
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Duplex is just garbage tbh

signal ocean
delicate depot
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true

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double the duplex EXP

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prolly fits its level a lot more

stark marlin
stark marlin
delicate depot
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mehh

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prolly way to close to a suburban tbh

stark marlin
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Not even

subtle rampart
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Id say 3-4x tbh

delicate depot
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considering the amount of effort that takes

stark marlin
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Duplex is 10k, suburban 180k

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Duplex 80k still isn’t close

glad sparrow
subtle rampart
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Duplexes should be close to half the effectiveness of suburban houses

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Based on leveling

stark marlin
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Yea buffing them 8x makes them less than 1/2 as good

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Buffing them 2-3x just makes them 1/6 to 1/9 as good as suburban

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Still trash

delicate depot
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i think 2 collections is probably more accurate to the average player base, rather than 3

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which makes it a lot closer

subtle rampart
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Whatever works to make it half as good math wise is good for me

stark marlin
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The average player isn’t suburbanmaxxing CryLaugh

delicate depot
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eventually they will be

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that is the end game F2P house

delicate depot
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just not rn

stark marlin
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After a long time

signal ocean
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they wont be going hard at it but they will try to eventually get to it

urban flame
stark marlin
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Anyone who suburbanmaxxes at a reasonable pace will probably get 3 collections

lofty thicket
delicate depot
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but like

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the jump from 2-3 is massive tbh

lofty thicket
floral summit
delicate depot
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while modern duplexs your always gonna get 1

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idk

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not trying to nitpick

signal ocean
robust galleon
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I’m also average

delicate depot
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but i think overbuffing the modern duplex = ppl don't care as much to get suburbans

urban flame
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who knows maybe they hit us with the lv60 increase

robust galleon
floral summit
robust galleon
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now

delicate depot
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duplex stinks so it would be hard to overbuff it

stark marlin
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People don’t care

delicate depot
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dont you dare talk bad about hovels

delicate depot
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thats where i draw the line

stark marlin
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Fine people have tents

delicate depot
floral summit
delicate depot
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yeah

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i suppose housing EXP is only extra EXP

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its mainly supposed to come from shops

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unless of course Morgans_House

glad sparrow
signal ocean
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alright so using the chart above, even with 3 collections per day it still will take over 6 months to swap to all suburbans

urban flame
delicate depot
floral summit
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What if you can reskin Nano housing to anything of lesser value but retain the benefits?

delicate depot
floral summit
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And I guess not Nano housing as well

stark marlin
signal ocean
delicate depot
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SO PRETTY

stark marlin
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It’s not much but 3x better than duplexes

urban flame
delicate depot
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LOL

robust galleon
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It’s not illegal

delicate depot
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morgans are actually so revolting it makes the duplexes look good

robust galleon
signal ocean
glad sparrow
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I like that it could be anything, but simply because it's such a spammed and good house, everyone is sick of looking at it

urban flame
floral summit
# delicate depot morgans are actually so revolting it makes the duplexes look good

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urban flame
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look at this

delicate depot
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this is how my people be living

robust galleon
delicate depot
robust galleon
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I’ve got this corner too tho

urban flame
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idc , I'll design around bonuses later

robust galleon
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Rave

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Maybe

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How else will I get 1000 gold tanks

signal ocean
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also just realized another thing that could help with the suburban grind would be to make them a 5 pop housing rather than 4 pop

robust galleon
signal ocean
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would also need to adjust its collections but this way you need to build way less

delicate depot
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i think thats prolly better than star cost reduction

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cuz 5 is better than 4 pop

urban flame
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or just make them non prestige and keep them at 60

lofty thicket
delicate depot
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cuz prestige stinks dooky poo poo if you dont have MH

robust galleon
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So that makes owl average

delicate depot
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that is in the nicest way possible

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LOL

floral summit
delicate depot
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ah

robust galleon
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195 outta what 10000?

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Pretty average to me

floral summit
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Very average indeed

stark marlin
lofty thicket
robust galleon
floral summit
lofty thicket
floral summit
stark marlin
robust galleon
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Don’t make me change that PEPEGAHACKER

lofty thicket
stark marlin
floral summit
robust galleon
lofty thicket
robust galleon
lofty thicket
stark marlin
stark marlin
floral summit
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Yes, and she is in a casual guild, so she is the measure of casual. I am casual

stark marlin
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Heudhe was also in a casual guild CryLaugh

delicate depot
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man

floral summit
delicate depot
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someone put my face on the venom dunking meme

robust galleon
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No, that’s for me to abuse brio with

stark marlin
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PSC dunking on GF again

floral summit
delicate depot
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good thing i was level 22

floral summit
delicate depot
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did anyone find out their formation?

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cuz they couldnt use HCT or dragon

robust galleon
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It was probably 10 chem grenadiers

stark marlin
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FA spam

lofty thicket
delicate depot
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ah

lofty thicket
robust galleon
floral summit
robust galleon
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im the poaching king

stark marlin
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Firemod was the one BS where non maxed players could make the leaderboard

floral summit
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Joining your Guild will trigger a lot of trauma for me

lofty thicket
robust galleon
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We accidently got 2nd

lofty thicket
robust galleon
lofty thicket
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Ah crud this one doesn’t have a speech bubble but you get my point

lofty thicket
robust galleon
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Any is too many

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As they aren’t used

floral summit
delicate depot
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yeah i budgetted for like 10-20 of them

floral summit
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I was tricked by clach

delicate depot
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glad i only bought 6 before realizing they are hot garbo

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if they make the center tile for the RNG attack like 75% it might be better

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or honestly just dont make it RNG 🤷

robust galleon
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Off topic again. Talk about housing or take it to DG 💀

floral summit
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Because talking about what is casual is so much more on topic resource_skull2x

lofty thicket
stark marlin
lofty thicket
stark marlin
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I guess someone could potentially hit it with no lifeing UMG spam

lofty thicket
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Cuz if the replacement is going to cost some exp initially

floral summit
robust galleon
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I doubt anyone’s willing to do the math on that

lofty thicket
stark marlin
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Duplexes that bad

lofty thicket
stark marlin
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1x level 1 suburban at 2 collections comes close to 1x level 10 modern duplex

robust galleon
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Just build compounds dorks

patent coral
cloud cedar
glad sparrow
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Don't do it mods will come back

cloud cedar
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I didn't see that mods showed up, fine I will leave it

glad sparrow
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Got regulated earlier already boiled over

cloud cedar
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Freaking mods patched my drama farm tech

fervent cape
floral summit
fervent cape
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Never mind clach he’s chill

peak sorrel
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Both suck

blazing granite
peak sorrel
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Yeah

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I’m badlands chugs

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Gonna go drain your town’s water supply

cinder barn
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Being able to start the Suburban grind early sounds solid

grizzled swan
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ur rumor mill sucks