Buff units rather than nerfing units like Maulers

[night kettle]

Maulers are obviously a very strong unit right now, but they are what we need to survive boss strike at level 50+. Madrona should look into buffing other weaker units so they reach similar power levels to increase variety, not nerf maulers.

[humble bramble]

I would support with a thumbs up but you blocked me for some reason. Here is a complimentary emoticon.

👍

[unreal timber]

Is this the opposite of the other thread 😂

[wispy raven]

yes

[humble bramble]

Pretty much XD

[unreal timber]

I haven’t started reading either

[winter hinge]

Buff laser sniper

[teal furnace]

i do support some minor nerfs to various units, tho buffs should be more abundant

[unreal timber]

Brb

[humble bramble]

Oh yeah for sure

[wispy raven]

how DARE you nerf any unit???? in our holy ahh game??? with WHAT permission are you suggesting that???? HOWWWW AND WHYYY

https://giphy.com/gifs/brooklynninenine-KeJvy7ZXP85gDX6Kah

[night kettle]

how DARE you buff any unit???? in our holy ahh game??? with WHAT permission are you suggesting that???? HOWWWW AND WHYYY - Benderpro

[teal furnace]

imma jsut do it

no permission needed

[humble bramble]

How DARE you???? in our holy ahh game??? with WHAT permission are you existing???? HOWWWW AND WHYYY

[fossil swallow]

👍

[winter hinge]

Wait if Nab gives it a thumbs up I give it two thumbs up

[fossil swallow]

who will give it a 3 thumbs up

[teal furnace]

comrade dimitri from chernobyl

[winter island]

👍👍👍

[sudden bronze]

Time to ragebait in here

[humble bramble]

You know I just realized the laser sniper has purple shoulder pads and armor, Saboteur style.

But still has a blue helmet and no red eyes.

I can’t stand for this.

[wispy raven]

Buff AS, it’s way too easy to kill now and so many people are getting frags

[teal furnace]

Firedrakes are underrated

[fossil swallow]

Actually based

[waxen turtle]

this is literally my suggestion but worded differently

[fossil swallow]

I too want Firedrakes to be buffed

[sudden bronze]

No, nerf them to the ground!

[waxen turtle]

except no bs delay

[fossil swallow]

Noooooooo

[waxen turtle]

do people really want BS that badly even if its not that great

[night kettle]

I wonder why 1 has 11 upvotes and 1 has 15 downvotes then

Must be the community’s fault

[sudden bronze]

Yes give me an actual challenge

[wispy raven]

didnt you know

[waxen turtle]

a unit balancing before a BS I would assume would mak it more fun

[wispy raven]

benderpro is the speaker of the community

[humble bramble]

Hark the herald

[sudden bronze]

You can beat this game with just the few units the missions give you

[waxen turtle]

that doesnt mean it wouldnt be challenging just other units being viable

[winter hinge]

Buff Tempest and Recon

[fossil swallow]

I dont see how it bad when it the only content that mattered for the general playerbase ?

[sudden bronze]

If that doesn’t tell you how braindead the story battles are idk what to tell you

[night kettle]

Don’t interact with the ragebaiter here

[winter hinge]

I struggled on like one

[night kettle]

I don’t want 500 comments xd

[knotty fossil]

Nerf the silver wolves, they are OP

[winter hinge]

Going to do it regardless

[waxen turtle]

if the main content is balanced then its more fun

[knotty fossil]

Buff that stupid machine gun tank and all artillery

[wispy raven]

asking VV to not yap challenge impossible

[teal furnace]

Ne recon needs nerfs

[sudden bronze]

That one I’m trying to pace right now has 1 awful battle

[night kettle]

[fossil swallow]

There literally no main content

What u on about ?

[waxen turtle]

the BS

[fossil swallow]

Story is piss easy

[winter hinge]

D e a l

[fossil swallow]

There no challenge to encounters

The only thing mattered is BS

[knotty fossil]

Greenborough for a level 27 player 😒

[sudden bronze]

Even BS was “easy” with the right preparation

At least it was more random in succes than normal encounters

[fossil swallow]

Well the very first version was.... Cruel

Now it okay....

Still bad

But do able

[sudden bronze]

Bring back the R4 vet and brimstone 🗣️

[knotty fossil]

A lot of raptors died that day

[teal furnace]

Old one was doable too just .... Hurt .... Badly

[fossil swallow]

[daring oak]

On the topic of buffing units, I think Pyro should be shifted to being more of a weird niche tank than just another damage dealer like most people suggest.

Buff the resistances it does have and give it more hp. Leave it’s damage alone

[night kettle]

There’s so many units that need buffs I’m not gonna clog this thread with them xd

Just the main point is to please buff not nerf madrona

[daring oak]

I’d like to see mostly buffs with a maybe a couple nerfs.

More than that I’d like to see changes.

Nothing a player has access to should resist every damage type it can be hit by.

Unless it’s functionally only a damage eater

[fossil swallow]

i think most of the later units ala 40+ should really need a 2ndary abilities or extra numbers tweak

cause dear god i want to make use of them

but it so bad

[unreal timber]

Yea wtf that took ages

I’m curious if our buffs Will split units according to access level and focus on their “effective longevity” or if it’ll be compared to enemies met in the same level bracket and tweaked a little bit.

E.g allied raider units r in a weird spot where their early game unlock for high t4 and steel cost makes them untrainable relative to their dmg/surviability/heal stats, but by the time you have the ability to train the they’re pretty much outclassed by any and everything. Something as simple as reducing it to iron costs would make more viable, even if stats are untouched.

-# and for the love of god give skulls/powder more use somehow

[humble bramble]

Canoneer for steel is stupid lol

[fossil swallow]

I think Raiders allies can be buff to where they are worth using around lv 30
But yeah drop the price

At best they can only cost a lot of Iron

I refuse to believe Raider got steel mill to make their weapon

[delicate pond]

Yes

[rain sleet]

yeah i think most people see balancing as nerfing the super strong units, but i think really we need to buff like 90% of the units in this game

i think madrona missed an opportunity of balancing though

it mightve been a good approach to make the unit ranks on some units much more impactful, and place level reqs on them

[glacial turret]

Agreed. Considering how busted enemy formations are, especially once we get levels beyond 70 and possible promo units showing up in boss strike lineups, it is way smarter to buff most units than nerf. All nerfing will do is make the already difficult enemy formations even harder

[rain sleet]

like imagine if the riot trooper at R6 was instead 250 hp 250 armor

but it was level capped to like level 60

[sudden bronze]

4k steel, 320k gold and 3 laurels for 10 extra EHP

[rain sleet]

obviously those numbers are just random ones ive made up, but something to that idea

and r5 could have been 175 health 175 armor, capped to level 50

i think loads of early game units could use 200%-500% buffs with the highest ranks being capped at 55-70

[glacial turret]

Nah thats way too much. Units will become obsolete over time

Best way to keep their relevance is pvp tiers like pokemon

[rain sleet]

well i mean at level 60 you have so many other options

peacekeepers, turtleshellers, etc

its not giga broken, but at least the unit might be somewhat relevant

[glacial turret]

It discourages progression of getting new units

Whats the point in getting new units if I just keep X unit

[daring oak]

https://discord.com/channels/463817609130016788/1460400997418668113

plugging this post again

[rain sleet]

because the new units would scale higher

[glacial turret]

I dont think a grenadier should be usable at lvl 50

[rain sleet]

im not saying make the riot trooper better than the peacekeeper, im saying just make the gap smaller.

let it still be big, just not insanely massive

[glacial turret]

I think the gap is fine, just have different pvp tiers. Not everything needs to be destiny pvp

[daring oak]

new unit is cooler, fills a different niche, has higher base stats, etc

[rain sleet]

i kinda think otherwise, i think a grenadier should be useable at level 50

just not meta

but it shouldnt do 30 damage and be one shot by everything

[glacial turret]

Its a lvl 5-10 unit

[daring oak]

grenadier is basically a starter unit, it's okay for it to be terrible

it's purpose is to teach you a mechanic (indirect) and it does that

[glacial turret]

Its not gonna do lvl 40 or 50 unit damage

Thats why you get units later on that will let you do better against higher lvl threats

If you wanna make early game units viable, pvp tiers is the better choice

You could master low level unit pvp in that scenario too

[rain sleet]

i think youre misunderstanding what im saying. 90% of this game is pve, so the band aid fix isnt to make the units only useable in a trash-tier of pvp.

im just saying bring SOME of the basic units up

let them still be outscaled by newer units

but make them somewhat useable

[weary girder]

What game ever has a beginner unit/item that is usable at end game?

[rain sleet]

.

[glacial turret]

They can just be brought up to the strength that is viable for the level theyre at

[inner vapor]

do it at least for units that don't have an equivalent at high level

[glacial turret]

I dont want lvl 10 units being usable at lvl 40 or 50

[rain sleet]

why not, whats the consequence to that

[glacial turret]

Less of a reason to get more units

[rain sleet]

but other units will still be much better?

[glacial turret]

If I can get buy with an old unit thats 70% as good as the new level units why bother getting the new ones

[rain sleet]

because 30% is a big deal

what

30% more boss strike points is 1 million -> 1.3 million

[glacial turret]

Not if you dont wanna grind another unit over again

[rain sleet]

then just dont grind it initially

skip grinding the unit and wait until the "meta" one comes out

whats the harm in having both paths available

[glacial turret]

[rain sleet]

like what no ones forcing u to grind both units

[inner vapor]

just look at the super tank+mega tank
mega is a bit better than super, outside of the arty attack
yet people still buy megas even if they have ranked super tanks

[rain sleet]

^

[daring oak]

Yato (2 star) occassionally showing up in Arknights clears...

Or Genshin-likes, but that's a whole other story with different reasons for getting characters

[rain sleet]

and shocker... the super tank is a level 32 unit

[long creek]

also supers and megas fulfil different roles

because of repair costs

at least in the meta

[daring oak]

I think my suggestion of having r6 units promote to a better version of the same unit that is level scaled is better than just buffing them to a point they'd be usable for a long time

that way it requires effort to actually get the unit to that point

[long creek]

im really suprised Z2 didnt just use the ranks more

like level cap them

release a strong R1 unit, but only let it promote at 60 then 70 or smtn

[inner vapor]

level capped ranks came out very late

[delicate pond]

Buff the lightning trooper and make him actually useful and more different compared to the dragoon please 👁️👁️ but yes, buff to other units would greatly benefit the game and would lead to more creativity, formations and strategy

[long creek]

ah

[daring oak]

and it still likely wouldn't end up being better because other units would get a similar treatment

[inner vapor]

and Z2 really hated applying new systems to old units
except the spawn on death feature

[long creek]

lmao

except the ones that suck

[daring oak]

z2 and their missed opportunities

[long creek]

lets make sure to go back and do that

[inner vapor]

which had a grand total of one relevant spawn
the jetpack trooper from certain promos

[glacial turret]

I think the first priority for buffing units is make spawn on death units scale to their individual unit rank

[inner vapor]

they did!
(only the jetpack trooper)

[rain sleet]

are there even that many spawn on death units?

turtlesheller armadillo and thats it?

[inner vapor]

https://battlenations.miraheze.org/wiki/Category:Spawned_Units

oh the thresher tank also spawned a wolf thug

[daring oak]

AA turret spawns a trooper

[rain sleet]

yea theres like 8 total units