Balance Units First and Delay BS

[mental crystal]

[merry wind]

i can get

[mental crystal]

All ready to go as well

[mystic yarrow]

i want zhem adult critters

[zinc depot]

Make 1st attack hit anything and we have a deal

[merry wind]

true dat

[vivid mason]

The suggestion board is constantly filled with people attempting to complain about content they missed out on or haven't been ready for

it's less general community sentinement are more highly vocal outrage

[solid forge]

I mean, not getting snakes kinda blowed.

If you were F2P

Not having access to Maulers also sucks.

[mental crystal]

Units are coming back though

[solid forge]

Like when tho

[mental crystal]

I’ll refer to my earlier comment:
Infected encounters in Eastern Wastes

[solid forge]

Yeah I saw that one

Me like

Infected shouldn’t be confined to only October.

[midnight breach]

Or instead create a mission to make R1s

[mental crystal]

That’s the big question but it can’t be too soon. The logical conclusion would be to add a side event to the next BS where you can either go all in on the new prize or do a side event to gain some of the previous boss strike prizes taking up time

Issues is this will take dev time

[solid forge]

Boss strike currency is the real answer

Imo

[mental crystal]

Nah, you can suffer some more

You liked pain otherwise you wouldn’t do that to yourself

[midnight breach]

Oh okay I'll suffer

[solid forge]

I mean we play BN

We’re all suffering

[trail pagoda]

how is there 1000+ messages here

[solid forge]

Pain

[trail pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-gif-1309221613343443865

[zinc depot]

Some dude really wants maulers nerfed and october BS

[trail pagoda]

ppl just want to nerf everything and complain about everything

[solid forge]

Complaining is fun though…

[midnight breach]

Then it should be done

See what will fix this is bring back the Valentine's Day content

[zinc depot]

If y’all want an actually good balance suggestion here :3

https://discord.com/channels/463817609130016788/1469488109480574986

[midnight breach]

I need the flame archer heart person thing

[mental crystal]

I’m going in circles with the OP about how a content drought is bad for the game

[midnight breach]

Downvoted for posting in another suggestion

[merry wind]

Game got no content but let delay the only content that mattered, surely it will help

[mental crystal]

[trail pagoda]

[frosty mountain]

I wake up
Another one thousand comment long suggestion thread

[solemn cloak]

its cooked

all of it

[zinc depot]

Nerf maulers and delay BS to october

I’m guessing you can see why there’s 1k comments now if OP is adamant on those takes xd

[solemn cloak]

next time i will make a slowly worded video with visuals

possibly family guy in the top right

[frosty mountain]

delay BS to october will actually cause a riot

[solemn cloak]

or subway surfers

[zinc depot]

Hence the 1k messages xd

[solemn cloak]

we can have a poll

[brisk comet]

Bender

[solemn cloak]

unbalanced BS seems to already cause a riot

i feel like for the long term its better

[frosty mountain]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[brisk comet]

No one is gonna watch if they know it’s a bad take

[plain temple]

Yeah it would

[solemn cloak]

and not necessarily october

[merry wind]

Gonna be a bad take so

https://giphy.com/gifs/aint-reading-all-that-or-sorry-happened-im-happy-for-u-tho-Efp7TTyJIGJK9ZdGyD

[solemn cloak]

just whenever they finish balancing

it could be a lot sooner

[potent wadi]

BS is already spaced out to 3 months, could’ve been 1 month

[solemn cloak]

i dont think anyone wants to grind that every month

[solemn cloak]

and even so they dont have time to balance literally anything

[plain temple]

Some people actually want to if you'd believe it

[merry wind]

And u think people gonna sit and have a dry no contents whatsoever for the next 7 month ?

[mental crystal]

We desperately need more events

[zinc depot]

Ngl

[solemn cloak]

I dont think players realize we are on a speeding train of imbalance and bugs

[merry wind]

.... U know

[mental crystal]

Lock them up in an insane asylum

[zinc depot]

If I had known there would be no events I would’ve voted for February

[potent wadi]

As long as legendary sandworm doesn’t happen again

[zinc depot]

I voted for March because I thought there would be more events

[solemn cloak]

less competitive events that wouldnt be ruined by imbalance would be nice

[merry wind]

Early march would be so nice

[midnight breach]

Downvote downvote downvote I'm busy in February

[zinc depot]

[midnight breach]

No BS when I'm busy

[mystic yarrow]

BS every 4 months droprate ups every other week bossrush events every month 🙏

[mental crystal]

I’m gonna need your calendar for no reason

[midnight breach]

I'll just cancel my plans then

Can't do anything if I'm unpredictable

[zinc depot]

If I wasn’t grinding for #1 BS1 was a lot of fun

[mystic yarrow]

I had fun day 1+2 the others eh

Not so much

[candid smelt]

genuine question: what do you think the devs do with their time

[zinc depot]

Yeah it ended up taking too much of a toll because of our scores

[merry wind]

Most definitely sit on their ass and have pizza party /s

[zinc depot]

And movie night

[midnight breach]

Day 3 and part of 4 were rough

[mental crystal]

Watch brainrot

[solemn cloak]

working on BS, level cap, and bug fixes

[midnight breach]

Dang they have more movie nights than I do

[solemn cloak]

I just want to replace the BS time slot

for balancing

I feel like it would just be more productive long term

and healthier for the game

[zinc depot]

Devs: BS delayed to october! Also maulers, ranged frags, and melee frags are getting nerfed! Be happy community!

[merry wind]

That actually will end the game

[zinc depot]

Sounds like that’s what Bender wants

[mental crystal]

Great news everyone, Boss Strike 2 has been postponed. Instead we’ll be doing the Arena event with the mongers as prizes for the top 20 guilds!

[mystic yarrow]

90% of nerfs aren't well recieved

[solid forge]

https://tenor.com/view/hey-shoot-that-guy-shoot-that-guy-fury-fury-movie-brad-pitt-gif-15557268544520269804

[zinc depot]

Frag nerfs alone would divide the community

[midnight breach]

Oh okay deal

[zinc depot]

Mauler? 98% of people would be against it

[midnight breach]

Just nerf range frag owners

Easy

[zinc depot]

[merry wind]

LET FUCKIN GO

i love snowballing

[mental crystal]

Who’s gonna take “care” of Kittenbreaker?

[solemn cloak]

can i ask, do you guys just like imbalanced content is that it

[mystic yarrow]

NM no ?

[mental crystal]

We do be balling

[midnight breach]

@solid island hey Kittenbreaker are you okay on your own?

[merry wind]

Tell me what is imbalance?

[zinc depot]

To make it more enticing to play arena, the top 3 guilds will also get 6 B10 boars!

[mental crystal]

Can’t have 2 cats support each other

[solemn cloak]

very little units are usable for BS compared to the meta

[digital coral]

Might as well change this to HSC server!!!

[solemn cloak]

the meta vastly outplays anything else

[mystic yarrow]

Oh i thought the other "take care"

[solemn cloak]

so true

[zinc depot]

Lets nerf the meta so nothing is usable!

BS will be so much more fun!

[merry wind]

Ah yes the meta is effective
It like water is wet
How wonderful

[candid smelt]

bland is distinct from imbalanced

[solemn cloak]

the meta is fine as long as it doesnt make everything else obsolete

theres no such thing as an unchallenged meta in a balanced game

theres always variations

[mystic yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/team-fortress-2-tf2-meet-the-pyro-pyro-meet-the-team-gif-11407682666078087918

[mystic yarrow]

Bs after rebalance in Benders eyes vs reality

[mental crystal]

Nah just follow Arena event logic and top 3 gets
Top 10 gets:
Top 20 gets:
And someone will cry for 2 of each and so HSC, MM and whoever is third will get 2 Deathmongers

[solemn cloak]

wym

[merry wind]

For something that is very strictly base on time clear speed, score gain speed
=> Meta will be A MUST as in it is the nature of Competitive meta

[zinc depot]

[merry wind]

Everything else exist for other contents

[solemn cloak]

i know that i didnt say a meta doesnt exist in a balanced game

[mental crystal]

RIP any future content

[merry wind]

And not everything can be used for BS

[zinc depot]

Not good enough, gib B10s too

[solid forge]

I can't even afford to run an independent guild, big sad.

[zinc depot]

BS sucks why can’t I use my troopers for it, bad and unbalanced game!

[mystic yarrow]

Gimme 5 of each legendary critter too

[merry wind]

And so ? U cant use your precious Mammoth in BS so it imbalanced ?

Oh look my unit die 1s into the fight

[midnight breach]

I can, I think that's a skill issue

[solemn cloak]

mammoth is lvl 20 i dont expect it to carry to 53

[merry wind]

It the game imbalance

[candid smelt]

what youre describing sounds like there is a lack of variety and a stagnant pile of best troops which seems...not necessarily like a bad thing? god forbid some units be better than others

[merry wind]

Yep sound like it

[mental crystal]

Every unit is now wimp level

[solid forge]

I mean lack of variety does kinda blow

[mental crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/the-incredibles-syndrome-ang-when-everyones-super-no-one-will-be-super-heroes-gif-5389961

[plain temple]

I would have to grind everything now

I do not wanna live in that world

[zinc depot]

No they need to be nerfed, the best units always need nerfs!
-# Ignore the fact that nerfing 1 best unit just results in a 2nd best becoming best and that needs nerfs now too

[solid forge]

Nerf everything

Done

I've saved BN

you can thank me later

[mystic yarrow]

Whys that like 3x speed

[solemn cloak]

i want things that are similar strength but play different roles similar to the way super tank and heavier tank is. super has a higher upfront cost but much cheaper heal and heavier is decent upfront cost with higher cost heal but both are about the same stats

[merry wind]

-# save BN from the playerbase

Amazing work

[mental crystal]

I’ve heard enough, pull a Z2

[solemn cloak]

then one is a f2p option but the other isnt

they are similar in stats but there is diversity in how they are obtained, their costs, and in what situations they are used

[solid forge]

https://tenor.com/view/daryl-dally-daryl-tofa-as-dallas-winston-bows-the-outsiders-musical-understudy-gif-86015493249516670

[solemn cloak]

and so neither are completely obsolete when compared to the other

you could even make it MORE diverse than that without power creeping so hard

[mystic yarrow]

You always use super over heavier except maybe AS but that doesnt rly matter

[merry wind]

So... Meta play will still always be Super
Seeing how it cost far less to repair and far faster time
So we should nerf Super by your argument

[solemn cloak]

no

because super has a higher upfront

[neon basalt]

you have the right idea but you’re taking it in the wrong direction

[solemn cloak]

and isnt f2p

[mental crystal]

Aaaannnd you’ve just killed the game

[solemn cloak]

but thats literally my suggestion

wym

[neon basalt]

buffs are much more F2P and game health friendly than nerfing good units

[mystic yarrow]

If possible its ALWAYS. Super>heavier

[solemn cloak]

my point isnt nerfing units i used nerfing as an example for outliers to fit them in with current units

[merry wind]

Yes

[solemn cloak]

you can nerf EVERY op unit or buff EVERY weak unit i dont care what direction it goes

[umbral sluice]

Check the snake thread

[solemn cloak]

i just want the balance implemented

[zinc depot]

No you don’t understand, Mauler (the one good F2P unit) needs more heal cost and time and less HP! Oh wait now maulers are dying way more and whales are nanoing teeth/timers/bnanos to get around it

[solemn cloak]

what part theres a lot in therew

[zinc depot]

Sorry guys, I made the game more P2W oopsie!

[solid island]

[umbral sluice]

I mean it’s difference in opinion but it sounds like bc they missed snakes they want a free recomp

[solemn cloak]

i dont want that tbh

[neon basalt]

the word balance gets thrown around a lot

[solemn cloak]

but you see that may of not been as much of a problem if madrona had the foresight to let lesser guilds have more time to organize

instead of artificially delaying the guilds update

this is what I mean when madrona is not planning for the future

and the current imbalance is just an impending doom

[mental crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-aang-gif-4849789

[solemn cloak]

when I say balance I mean a way where at LEAST the past 10 lvls or so of units are viable for current metas however varying those metas might be

[quaint herald]

I took a nap, we're still going?

[umbral sluice]

Yea I agree, they’re basically getting shafted for circumstances outside their control, which sucks. But the way they want it fixed ruins it for everyone else who did prepare, and I’m not sure if that’s a fair trade off

Also stop replying I haven’t read thru the whole thread yet 😭
-# yes ik I can read thru the whole thing first then come back but shhhh

[solemn cloak]

im not agreeing with their fix

im just saying there was a fix months ago

and madrona messed it up

[umbral sluice]

Also no in game announcement or communications or forums

[solemn cloak]

for NOTHING btw

for absolutely 0

[solid forge]

Yeah lmao

[solemn cloak]

they dropped the ball

[quaint herald]

No, no, no, don't ping me back in here.

[solemn cloak]

this as well

[solid forge]

: )

[burnt dragon]

When are we nerfing benderpro2013?

[merry wind]

Ah yes impending doom for nobody but in your canonical theory of nerfing

[candid smelt]

impending doom (rebalance after boss strike)

[solemn cloak]

its just obvious the game is imbalanced for f2p

[merry wind]

Nah he can uninstall the game if he feel it so unbalanced
Best nerf everyone can ask for

[solemn cloak]

im not f2p so im not suffering from it

[burnt dragon]

Sulfering?

🧐

[zinc depot]

Impending doom (every good unit is nerfed)

[solemn cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/cope-bird-trap-bird-trap-bird-cope-gif-9878295031528154539

[burnt dragon]

If you really want to nerf unit

You best buff others first

[solemn cloak]

im gonna lose it

[mental crystal]

No nerf the arsonist

Its too good right now

[candid smelt]

nerf miner

[merry wind]

Buff my firedrakes

[merry wind]

Yeah double nerf it

[solemn cloak]

me rn

wait can i pin things in the thread

[solemn cloak]

ok i cant but here

[merry wind]

Have u consider slightly
That your visionary take is bad
That is why people ignoring it by default

[burnt dragon]

Im nerfing flametrooper

[merry wind]

Just a thought

[burnt dragon]

Best unit in game

[zinc depot]

No he’s BenderPro he can never be wrong!

[merry wind]

Rite
Im sorry messiah

[solemn cloak]

balancing the game, the worst suggestion ever

[merry wind]

[solemn cloak]

whoops

[zinc depot]

Only he knows how to fix the game and all of us including Madrona are bozos who should listen to him

[burnt dragon]

How you balance the games matter

[plain temple]

Good choice

[burnt dragon]

If i balance the game by giving out 1million nanopods

[merry wind]

Oh look let delay the only content in the content drought desert to buff something that barely make a different
Crazy

[burnt dragon]

Is it really good?

[solemn cloak]

madrona said they have plans to balance

[merry wind]

[solemn cloak]

i just want them to carry this out

sooner

[plain temple]

Oooh oh wait NOOOO

[zinc depot]

That makes the game actively worse by nerfing fun units

[merry wind]

Yep

[solemn cloak]

this literally isnt balancing

[candid smelt]

content drought boutta turn bn into venus

mercury even

[mental crystal]

If you can it’s like putting up your kids drawings on the fridge, theyre no van Gogh or DaVinci but you just gotta show how much you appreciate them for at least trying.

Instead its your own drawings on the fridge in this scenario

[solemn cloak]

yes regarding BS there would be a drought, but there would still be the regular level caps

[zinc depot]

Once I finish my last 3 grinds I’m gonna log on like 1-2 times per day

Picking march BS regret 100

[solemn cloak]

but BS is every 3 months anyways so is it really that bad missing it

[candid smelt]

9*

(we're pushing bs back)

[merry wind]

LEVEL CAP are not contents
It chores

[solemn cloak]

and is a game balance not worth it to make it more balanced first?

[umbral sluice]

White has statistical advantage, no?

[mental crystal]

In favor of arena?

[zinc depot]

[merry wind]

First move advantages iirc right ?

[merry wind]

Shiet good bargain

[candid smelt]

what are we balancing the game for again? just doing missions or

[plain temple]

Variety ig

[solemn cloak]

BS ideally since thats the most competitive thing

[zinc depot]

Yes nerf units so even in missions you lose 3 tanks per fight

BS will be so much more fun that way!

[solemn cloak]

like tell me what will be the upcoming BS meta besides maulers and heaviers for f2p

im pretty sure nothing else

[mental crystal]

People complaining about “unfair, i only got 1 snake” to enter a new level of snowballing hell when the top 3 guilds pull up with the deathmonger and hellshot

[candid smelt]

god forbid the "most competitive thing [in the game]" have a most viable list of units

[solemn cloak]

ok

most viable is FINE

but the most viable making other things unusable is NOT fine

[candid smelt]

i still dont get why that makes everything else unusable

[solemn cloak]

there should be something that is at least comparable

[solemn cloak]

because what else could replace a mauler or heavier for f2p?

[umbral sluice]

Waiter waiter more r6 slander please!

[mental crystal]

Not as good (requires brainpower)

[solemn cloak]

that could keep up in a rebel or SW bs

[candid smelt]

god forbid sidegrade units get sidegrade results

[solemn cloak]

thats the thing

there isnt sidegrade

[mental crystal]

God forbid the tactics game has tactics

[solemn cloak]

its just straight up way worse

[merry wind]

Noooooo dont side grade my funny units

[solemn cloak]

downgrade

[mental crystal]

Where is my max pot, S2 Wis’Adel in BN

[solemn cloak]

i swear im not asking for anything crazy

whats wrong with having a few other decent options that can hold up

[zinc depot]

No you don’t understand, you need to nerf those so there’s more variety!

[candid smelt]

i swear im not asking for anything crazy (changes post after everyone says "we shouldnt nerf mauler and frag")

[zinc depot]

A game where everything is mediocre but viable will be so fun right

[pale egret]

istg i think im going insane reading this discourse LOL

[solemn cloak]

because it was just being misunderstood

[solemn cloak]

.

[solemn cloak]

i am too

i just keep saying the same thing and ppl keep saying im saying smth else

[zinc depot]

I’m being misunderstood

Also this

“We should nerf mauler HP by 200”

[mental crystal]

Maybe thats the issue?

[solemn cloak]

i mean just go like hikari's idea atp its basically what i want except i have no idea how they suggest to fit in the changes with everything madrona is alr doing

[plain temple]

Tendency of doing this is if you move something down something will come up and down and up and so on, you'd have to rank pretty much everything and I don't think the community wants to grind every single unit just to make sure they can compete whatever is in season

[candid smelt]

boutta throw clash royale balancing at battle nations

[merry wind]

Nah u should grind every units
What if the Gunner or Flamethrower gonna be the best unit ?

[mental crystal]

You don’t adjust your argument resulting in people who do try to argue in good faith to just go in circles

[solemn cloak]

i did adjust it

[candid smelt]

i

so like

[solemn cloak]

i removed the part confusing ppl

[zinc depot]

I have proof btw

“Nerf maulers”

[candid smelt]

im outta here i have substantially less interest in playing tom and jerry simulator

[zinc depot]

[solemn cloak]

if you mean the no BS delay thing thats my only idea of fitting in balance changes

so thats not really something i can compromise on

[merry wind]

It not confusing
It just your intention got spoofed
So u wanna word it different to reach the same destination of nerfing

[mental crystal]

I think you’re confusing “confusing” with upsetting

[solemn cloak]

if i just said balance things then yea its going nowhere and nothing will be changed

what upsets people?

the nerfs?

forget about the nerfs just call it buffs instead

[pale egret]

?

[solemn cloak]

i hope you guys know in terms of overall balancing the game it means the same thing

bad units will be buffed or op units will be nerfed

one or the other

[minor totem]

It does not mean the same thing in terms of player feel

[zinc depot]

Everything doing negative damage and everything being strong is the same guys trust

[plain temple]

Great I still have to figure out what is meta every bs, guess I have to grind everything again, doom to me

[mental crystal]

A nerf to the only f2p unit that actually equalizes meta and has sustainability in said meta between f2p and p2p

[pale egret]

so what you're advocating for is just... balance changes before BS?

[plain temple]

Pretty much

[merry wind]

We gettings heal unit ?

[pale egret]

honestly if that's what you wanted then there was no real need to bring up specific examples that are contentious lol

[merry wind]

ORIGINAL CONTENTS ?

[zinc depot]

Balance changes, delay BS, nerf mauler and ranged frag

[solemn cloak]

i stated maulers and frags and then BELOW that i literally say "LOTS of changes are needed, buffs to obsolete units and nerfs to others should be made"

[plain temple]

Oh yeah the other two he removed after he was called out on it

[solemn cloak]

my point was not only f2p units

[zinc depot]

Oh yes we should nerf more than just as frags and maulers

[candid smelt]

if you give an example of a change you should probably be held to that example you give

[solemn cloak]

it was all units as a whole

[zinc depot]

Lets nerf heavier tank next!

What else, maybe brimstone?

HCT too!

[burnt dragon]

Damn buffing benderpro2013 in the big 2026

[pale egret]

that was the original post, i was referring to this comment #1469449444754722940 message

[zinc depot]

Dragon for firemod

Lightning trooper is meta now, lets nerf that too

[solemn cloak]

my intention was to provide a simple nerf that wouldnt really hinder the unit but at least make it not so overwhelmingly powerful

i literally said 200 health mauler nerf

thats not bad

[zinc depot]

Oh here we go

[candid smelt]

unfortunately,

[merry wind]

Correct
It not bad
It ass

[minor totem]

Mauler doesn’t need a nerf though and 200 health is massive

[zinc depot]

Lets nerf maulers

He backtracks yet again

[mental crystal]

Dont stop until arsonist is meta

[solemn cloak]

but in general i dont really care if thats the specific nerf or not

it was more of an example

[pale egret]

this suggestions thread is literally groundhog day

😭

[burnt dragon]

I think you dont want to lower the ceiling bro

[solemn cloak]

my general statement was that madrona isnt planning for the future and its evident in their past actions

[burnt dragon]

You should raise the floor

[solemn cloak]

and in the current game balance

[zinc depot]

No it’s benderpro moving goalposts in a circle around people

[solemn cloak]

and that it should be changed

[pale egret]

I get what benderpro is trying to argue for but the examples are not helping their case

💀

[solemn cloak]

guys it cannot be this hard the mauler and frag were the only parts i changed nothing else

[zinc depot]

Here I have the suggestion but actually good

https://discord.com/channels/463817609130016788/1469488109480574986

[plain temple]

Exactly

[burnt dragon]

I kinda agree on frags

But mauler)

Come on

Too much

[solemn cloak]

i dont want to stick to those examples, it wasnt my intention to stick on that

[candid smelt]

this is the boat im in. "rebalance" in a vacuum is probably a good thing, maybe we shouldnt do it by nerfing the only non-nano options that are viable

[zinc depot]

No you don’t understand, maulers and heaviers are meta for F2P so they both needs nerfs!

For more F2P variety!

[solemn cloak]

that isnt my idea though 😭

[candid smelt]

prefiring the "non f2p viable" argument -- lvl 56 incoming

[zinc depot]

Nerf the top units!

[burnt dragon]

Damn i cant argue with that

[zinc depot]

Make F2Ps run a mixture of light, heavy, heavier tanks! All tanks are viable now!

[mental crystal]

We already touched on this, hikari and i have long had ideas how to balance them and its not even worthy of this suggestion

[minor totem]

Every tank should have mini tank stats

[zinc depot]

Frags can be argued for sure yeah

[minor totem]

And every artillery light artillery stats

[zinc depot]

See fragment gets it

[solemn cloak]

those balances will never happen with this community 🙂

[plain temple]

It hasn't even happened yet

[zinc depot]

They see the BenderPro vision

[minor totem]

Every infantry should have trooper stats

[pale egret]

"theyre all human at the end of the day how different could they be"

[zinc depot]

We need this gif but reversed

https://tenor.com/view/syndrome-incredibles-when-everyones-super-gif-10466529

“When everyone’s bad, no one is”

[burnt dragon]

Maybe benderpro is secretly a z2 balance team member

2013

🧐

[pale egret]

everyone that has taken a thermodynamics exam in uni understands this concept

[zinc depot]

[solemn cloak]

just go like hikari's post its almost all the same

[native robin]

And heat transfer, and fluid dynamics, and…

[mental crystal]

Cant wait to fight brutal raiders with my light tank and rangers!

[minor totem]

No then they’d be wanting to double the nano cost of every nano unit and give them 50% resistance to all damage types then double the damage enemies deal to conpensate

What do you mean free units exist-

[native robin]

I just want the Meerkat to be good.

[candid smelt]

its like how clash royale happens to just keep buffing 2.6 "on accident"

[mental crystal]

Now it gets nerfed instead

[zinc depot]

Meerkat will be good when all tanks have mini tank stats did you think about that :3

[native robin]

Y’know, I did not. Good call.

[burnt dragon]

Hog 2.6 🤮

[minor totem]

This but unironically, even made a suggestion about it

https://discord.com/channels/463817609130016788/1460400997418668113

[merry wind]

i look away.... for 20s and it +200 messages

[umbral sluice]

Believe it or not, death penalty (might break a eu online law idk)

[mental crystal]

[pale egret]

might be more entertaining than playing bn atp

😭

[zinc depot]

[native robin]

Imagine being an f2p working really hard and finally getting a sentinel drop then they nerf it before the next boss strike

[merry wind]

do both

[zinc depot]

Wdym you don’t love waiting for boss simulator? How about we delay BS for months now too in order to nerf units

[merry wind]

this is better than current content

[mental crystal]

This is just Arknights

[pale egret]

https://tenor.com/view/cuoinotung-pepe-the-frog-explode-gif-17794553

[pale egret]

same terminology too

😂

[zinc depot]

E2 mini tank when

[mental crystal]

Where is my Wiš’adel

[zinc depot]

Honestly could be fun though

[merry wind]

E2M3 mini tank first shot when?

[zinc depot]

Oh yeah I still have to add you xd

[merry wind]

Party

[pale egret]

is mechanist doing the maintenance on it or smth

[mental crystal]

ArknightsxBN we get the cute girls and Arknights gets LSW

[umbral sluice]

You’re uh, also inadvertently nerfing f2p by removing one of the only sources of nanos (assuming it in t9 et al.)

[pale egret]

they dont even need the animal theming LOL

[merry wind]

so a red version of Mon3tr?

aight im sold

[solemn cloak]

toss them free nanos

[mental crystal]

Deathmonger operator in Arknights: Saria with Surtr damage

[zinc depot]

Sounds about right

[pale egret]

surtr doesn't even do that much damage anymore iirc

😭

[solemn cloak]

like feeding pigeons bread

[mental crystal]

No but still enough

[minor totem]

We have LSW at home

LSW at home

[native robin]

Deathmonger?

[pale egret]

nah this thing is washed compared to lsw

[zinc depot]

Also saria with Surtr damage is just Młynar or Ulpianus

[pale egret]

my goat could never lose to a random child soldier

🥀

[minor totem]

That is the meme yes

[solemn cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-rage-bait-rage-ragebait-jojo's-bizarre-adventure-gif-6165949868010589137

this was all a ragebait btw

(real)

[pale egret]

bro istg im blind

i didn't even see the text

[zinc depot]

[pale egret]

😭

[umbral sluice]

#1464759642763563121 my suggestion here kinda mirrors your idea

[mental crystal]

[pale egret]

maybe my eye doctor was onto something when they told me my glasses lenses were so thick that they'd need to compress the lenses 5x before they'd even try to fit them into my frames

😭

[minor totem]

We need more events that drop units in general

[zinc depot]

Also sis wait until you see the actually broken ops in AK

[umbral sluice]

PASSIOSN BABYYYY

[mental crystal]

No nothing will stop me from using my favorite ship

[pale egret]

tragodia casually re-routing everyone to wherever tf you want them to go with global attack range on a short cycle

[zinc depot]

1,505 passed!

[pale egret]

💀

[umbral sluice]

Watch apex mauler release at the same time so ppl can only grind for one or the other

[merry wind]

let go for 2k

[mental crystal]

I will keep Saria/Silence running as my main setup

[zinc depot]

[minor totem]

I’m still using Abyssal Hunters as my main set up

[pale egret]

Lone Trail Spoilers
||Honestly the way the relationship between the two and ifrit ended up is kind of heartwarming ngl||

[merry wind]

well....

[zinc depot]

Abyssal hunters is goated

Especially with Ulpi

[merry wind]

it is very lovely

[merry wind]

aura farming ah cutscene as well

[solemn cloak]

@umbral sluice why are you reading all of this smh

[pale egret]

literally a jojo reference

[solemn cloak]

its just slop

[pale egret]

✍️ 🔥

[burnt dragon]

Jojo mentioned

[solemn cloak]

jojo is my tag

its always mentioned

[umbral sluice]

Or Jupiter cuz we’re getting stupider

[gaunt comet]

personally i agree the idea that they are partially copying the content of z2 and causing a lot of balance issue now. there are many useful functions which is good to player is removed while the emeny stay the same and make ppl suffer. but neff strong units will only make this situation even worse because even top or lucky player will have difficulty to fight those unchanged emenies, which is going to make the game unplayable. we could do the balance in other perspective, neff the emeny to meet the performance of more units for example. or buff more units to make them less weaker than a few top units to improve varity and gameplay.

[umbral sluice]

Nah my kids doing 100 additional sets of drawings till they get A+

[solemn cloak]

yes thats my worry

they have done nothing but follow Z2 balancing which i was under the impression everyone thought was imbalanced

but like half the ppl were saying balance is fine 🙄

[burnt dragon]

Z3 in the house

[solemn cloak]

madrona is Z3 its over

[slender cliff]

in not even 5 hours this suggestion has received 1.5k messages under it

what the actual hell happened here

[solemn cloak]

idek

[solemn cloak]

people didnt read the full thing

[zinc depot]

“Nerf maulers and push BS back”

[candid smelt]

bender said "nerf mauler and push bs back" and everyone said "no" and he said "ok well just push bs back" and everyone said "thats not what you said"

[solemn cloak]

and i said that was not the point of what i said

[merry wind]

my man you talking sense in a post that based on "my fee fee hurt so let nerf"

[solemn cloak]

it doesnt matter and i changed it so people could understand me better

[mental crystal]

We also debated why pushing back bs is an awful idea

[zinc depot]

https://discord.com/channels/463817609130016788/1469488109480574986

Here’s the suggestion for that :3

[solemn cloak]

i would say a perpetually unbalanced game is worse but you guys do you

i mean if you really believe the game will be ok with this balancing we can just see how it goes

[merry wind]

tell me which specifically is unbalanced
u say AS frag and we go into a circle again

[gaunt comet]

just stay calm and showing the right opinion. i think yelling that maulers should be neffed looks kinda desperate and pushing good people away from u. find the right solution and more people will support.

[solemn cloak]

but i didnt yell it 😭

[plain temple]

.....

[zinc depot]

[solemn cloak]

the idea for maulers was that the outliers should fit in more with the general strength of all units

[zinc depot]

Does something
“I didn’t yell it!”

[solemn cloak]

and right after that i said a lot of other things would have to be balanced as well

i think EVERYONE skipped that part

[gaunt comet]

yea I read your suggestion and i cant agree more with it.

[solemn cloak]

i swear this must of been a family guy episode

[burnt dragon]

I am the griffindor

[gaunt comet]

im referring to your another suggestion so stay calm will help you 😆

[solemn cloak]

ohhh

that was ajoke

because its what everyone thought I wanted

I thought id make it offical 🙂

[burnt dragon]

This is now officially a joke

Sanctioned by z3

[solemn cloak]

z3 has put those bucket things on everyones head like plankton in spongebob

[gaunt comet]

everyone can only exact know what him or her feeling. its not guilty to show personally opinion in a free world arent we?

[burnt dragon]

This is discord

We dont do that here

🤫

[merry wind]

have u considered that 20+ people disagree with you and your ass suggestion maybe.... mayyybee your take is bad?

[merry wind]

that is true

i like your wise words

[solemn cloak]

a faithful z2 follower 🙏

he has the bucket

[plain temple]

Lmao

Is that your argument for anyone who doesn't agree with you

[burnt dragon]

Me when i dont agree with you

You must be plankton lackey

[solemn cloak]

nab agrees with the current game balance

[plain temple]

When did he say that? He also wanted changes to certain units

[minor totem]

pretty much everyone in this chat wants changes

[vivid mason]

Okay you know what, this has been going on for hours bow and has devolved into nothing more than a pissing contest.

[merry wind]

Ah yes if i dont agree with your ass take
Im a dev simp

The delululu is amazing

[solemn cloak]

here

[vale wave]

Bender i suggest you stop proceeding with this topic

[solemn cloak]

there u guys go

[merry wind]

Exactly

Do it

Do a backflips as well
I will get the camera

[solemn cloak]

i mean you said it

whats wrong

[vivid mason]

Yeah, Bender, speaking not as myself but as an officer of BSC, cut this out. This is not the type of toxicity we want BSC to be associated with

[solemn cloak]

im not being toxic 😭

[vale wave]

This has been gone quite too long, i suggest you cease this conversation l

[plain temple]

......

[solemn cloak]

im referring to the statement nab agrees with

they agreed to it

[merry wind]

Nice twistin there bud
I disagree with BS being pushback and the game does not need a nerf to the barely existing content

[solemn cloak]

u referred to balance

u said the word balance

idk

[merry wind]

So ? If u wanna key word balance u said more than enough to fill a paragraph

But sure straw logic it if u want

[vivid mason]

Your behaviour has already landed you a maincord warning and you’re continuing to pursue this line of confrontation and argument

[merry wind]

[burnt dragon]

Silence is golden

🤫

[solemn cloak]

but that was because i misused a suggestion not because i was being mean 😭

[vale wave]

Bender, you should stop proceeding this

Right now

[solemn cloak]

i mean i can just ignore nab for now if u want

and the others can talk

[merry wind]

So cute of you to used my words to twist my sentence
When what i said refer to your little cry about how the game so imbalance and let replace the balance patch over BS ( the only mattered content that existed )
I thought u burned out from the game ?

[solemn cloak]

if anything nab is being kind of aggressive

[vivid mason]

Alright, Nab, stop poking the bear, Bender, chill the hell out and calm down. Your behaviour tonight has reflected poorly on all of BSC.

If you can’t control yourself and feel the need to keep arguing in circles

[solemn cloak]

all i did was defend my suggestion 😭

i did nothing mean

[merry wind]

But i want to poke

But aight

Just because Pearl is nice

[trail pagoda]

Who tagged me 🫃🏼

[solemn cloak]

i think u got warned somewhere

[trail pagoda]

I get warned everywhere

[solemn cloak]

lol

[zinc depot]

Me

[trail pagoda]

🫃🏼

[zinc depot]

Idk who did but it wasn’t a mod xd

So dw about it, probably a random ping from an hour ago

[trail pagoda]

Im assuming with this many messages, the OP didnt chagne there mind...

[zinc depot]

Nope

[burnt dragon]

He changed my mind

[trail pagoda]

too much chaos

[burnt dragon]

I let go of the bucket

[midnight breach]

Wow pinging people

[zinc depot]

We’re now brainwashed by Z3 wearing plankton buckets

[trail pagoda]

sounds about right lol

[midnight breach]

All hail plankton

[zinc depot]

[midnight breach]

Lowkey goated movie

YouTube recommended me the SpongeBob movie yesterday and the temptation was real

[solemn cloak]

i mean i changed the mauler and melee frag thing

[vivid mason]

If you genuinely cannot see the toxicity in belittling the viewpoints of anyone that disagrees with you as mindless worshipping of Madrona, I don’t know how to help you

[trail pagoda]

the games fine as is, game will get better once madrona releases the past content and bring new content

[solemn cloak]

i dont think this is nearly as bad as the 10 people strawmanning every word in every sentence i make (including nab)

im the most tame person here

[trail pagoda]

okay 200 health nerf to maulers is absurd

[midnight breach]

[burnt dragon]

If no strawman why strawman shape

🧐

[midnight breach]

Okay that was funny

[zinc depot]

What we’ve all been saying 😭

[trail pagoda]

let me enjoy my r6 maulers

plz

[zinc depot]

And this dude is standing by it saying to nerf maulers

And skip BS to nerf maulers and AS frags ontop of that

[trail pagoda]

it hasnt even been out that long 😭

how are ppl finding ways to complain about it

[umbral sluice]

I have and I don’t get it 🤓

[zinc depot]

Heck if I know

[solemn cloak]

I think atp my suggestion ultimately comes down to this, would ppl sacrifice BS for better balancing or rather just keep BS and keep imbalanced gameplay

it seems they rather keep BS i guess

[solemn cloak]

(sacrificing BS for time to balance)

and other things i said in my original post

[zinc depot]

Devs: BS delayed to october so we can do rebalancing! Oh btw part of the rebalancing is nerfing maulers and AS frags

[desert ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/chill-guy-chill-guy-just-a-chill-guy-relax-gif-1579445140409713118

join me bender

[solemn cloak]

that looks like the after life

[desert ginkgo]

nah u just closed that path for yourself

[solemn cloak]

whar

[desert ginkgo]

u cant join me on the chill guy path anymore

[vivid mason]

I don’t control anyone’s actions, but I do know you’ve been stirring the pot endlessly for upwards of 5 hours now and show no sign of stopping. I could give a rat’s ass if people have been rude to you, you’ve escalated this situation repeatedly up to including breaking maincord server rules out of sheer spite against people for disagreeing with you.

[solemn cloak]

why did u say join me then 😭

[zinc depot]

Say good bye to all your strong units, because you can now use rocket trucks! Oh but they’re only brimstone level, so good luck using brimstone level units vs level 56 BS

[desert ginkgo]

u said it looked like the afterlife 😔

[solemn cloak]

it wasnt really spite it was just to be funny..

[trail pagoda]

I think this chat is ragebait so ima stop here

[solemn cloak]

its obviously a joke post

im not mad or anything

[zinc depot]

It’s ragebait except for OP who’s dead serious

[merry wind]

why u attacking my baby.... my rocket truck did nothing wrong

[trail pagoda]

nah no way, he has to be a MASTER ragebaiter

[solemn cloak]

the only reason i have kept going is because people keep saying things im not intending

[zinc depot]

Trust me, dead serious

[solemn cloak]

its not wrong to make them understand

[neon basalt]

Personally I don’t think “balance” matters for anything PVE wise. Units shouldnt get nerfs just because they’re good, especially when so many more units in this game need buffs really bad. PVP is a different story, but that’s not even in the game yet so it doesn’t matter

[desert ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-want-to-play-with-you-anymore-toy-story-i-dont-wanna-play-with-you-anymore-dont-wanna-play-no-more-play-gif-26906930

[merry wind]

no no he is serious, seriously wrong

[merry wind]

it joeover

[desert ginkgo]

master baiter?

[trail pagoda]

I mean I am a master baiter but cant tell in this situation

[desert ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/bro-fell-for-the-log-bait-goblin-barrel-clash-royale-king-goblin-clone-gif-5785643566695576910

[trail pagoda]

hes hiding it well

[umbral sluice]

Bro sounds like you just want a pick% vs win delta graph from r6 operators

[solemn cloak]

but the thing is PvE in battle nations is directly linked to multiplayer interactions

in the form of BS rewards

[neon basalt]

It’s not, aside from a leaderboard score that means nothing aside from bragging rights

[midnight breach]

Hey wait I like rocket truck

[solemn cloak]

it can decide what guild ur in

and when pvp comes, having certain BS units will be directly involved

[trail pagoda]

he's ragebaiting, don't fall for it

[neon basalt]

that’s dictated by time and effort not by units

[solemn cloak]

im literally not 😭

[gaunt comet]

just stay cool and make a better solution later, ppl like some of your suggestion and disagree with others. its a wise for gain more support.

[merry wind]

sameeeeeee

[trail pagoda]

you almost got me there

not falling for it

[solemn cloak]

well i would say it lessens time and effort to a point its crippling for those who dont have

[trail pagoda]

lets just go back to bullying bal**y

[solemn cloak]

well i dont think many like it 😭

[neon basalt]

the highest level guilds are asking for 2 million points minimum to join. even 3-4 can be achieved through time spent. Also, how does nerfing Mauler and AS frags make the issue any better? It makes it worse by increasing clear times and making it harder for non spenders to keep up

someone who’s pulling 2-3 million points will do it no matter what, this is only affecting people on the lower end of the curve who need good units to put up big points

[zinc depot]

Nerf them make it harder for non spenders

[solemn cloak]

well you see that isnt my point

i told you my point earlier

let me find it

[umbral sluice]

Uhh might be me. I’ve been reading thru stuff and replying hours late

[gaunt comet]

at least many ppl think rebalance is not a bad idea, but not in that neff way lol.

[plain temple]

ITS PO

[trail pagoda]

Maulers is the only good dmg troop for f2p and ppl want to nerf it smh

[solemn cloak]

@neon basalt

[trail pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-ily-ily-cat-kiss-cat-gif-1371465982424157548

[solemn cloak]

then this.

[zinc depot]

Every F2P uses heavier so nerf heavier while we’re at it so F2Ps use arctic tank

[midnight breach]

Me unironically in the corner wanting Arctic tank for my challenge account

[merry wind]

ii uh... look im desprate but not that desprate

[solemn cloak]

many people have said balancing is fine though

which i dont understand because its z2 balancing

[trail pagoda]

and umgs and wimps while there at it

[burnt dragon]

No one said balancing is fine

[zinc depot]

Hm I wonder why the suggestion to buff units has only upvotes if people think balancing is fine

[desert ginkgo]

jesse, dont do it

[midnight breach]

I'm sorry Walter it's too late

[neon basalt]

I think putting BS on hold for 8 months is a bad idea just to try and get the game into a “balanced” state (it will be debated by all players whether it’s actually balanced or not)

[plain temple]

No we need to bring promos back now as they were thank you for enlightening me

I realize the error of my ways

[solemn cloak]

yes that is the problem. but in my opinion a good foundation is better than putting it all off forever

[neon basalt]

I really don’t think balance matters in PVE. My opinion is just buff nearly everything and let the players decide what’s good and what isn’t

[merry wind]

i said it, because it doesnt mattered in the short term vs content being delay ( 8 month ) just for "2-3" units to potential mattered

i rather have more content to do first then we balancing

[minor totem]

until my trooper can solo AS, the game isn't balanced ||/s||

[midnight breach]

The devs can work on balance post BS2 it'll be great

[merry wind]

yes, my double shot need to have 100% AP

[zinc depot]

Too many buffs outa here

[earnest mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1056993182782591078/1413252983793254481/UFLOO9X0DGFQ24Q0U4W.gif

[zinc depot]

We need to be nerfing not buffing

[solemn cloak]

well look at the current snake problem and how many players didnt get access to it

do u think it doesnt matter

[midnight breach]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1056993182782591078/1413252983793254481/UFLOO9X0DGFQ24Q0U4W.gif

[solemn cloak]

of course not everyone could

but the way guilds were handled beforehand was poor

and it ruined opportunity

[velvet cradle]

@solemn cloak I disagree with the idea that the game is in a state bad enough to warrant stopping competitive gameplay altogether.

Maulers being strong right now doesn’t automatically mean the game is “unbalanced beyond repair” or that power creep has invalidated everything else. Meta shifts happen in basically every live-service game, especially when new content is added. A dominant archetype emerging isn’t evidence of developer incompetence — it’s usually a sign that tuning is still in progress. Calling it “unrivaled” ignores the fact that players are still discovering counters, builds, and optimizations over time.

As for bugs, delays, and features like GB or guilds: those are valid frustrations, but they’re also not evidence that Madrona “lacks foresight.” Game development isn’t linear. Fixing one system often breaks another, especially in a growing codebase. Re-adding bugs is frustrating, but it’s common in live games and doesn’t mean problems aren’t being actively worked on behind the scenes.

Stopping competitive modes wouldn’t reduce pressure — it would increase it. Competitive players are some of the most engaged members of the community, and pulling content from them risks losing long-term investment and momentum. It’s possible to iterate on balance while competition exists; those two things are not mutually exclusive.

Balance changes are needed — buffs to weaker units, adjustments to outliers, and polish across the board. But that’s an argument for ongoing tuning, not for freezing core gameplay systems. Let the game breathe, gather data, and evolve instead of hitting the brakes every time the meta feels uncomfortable.

In short: improve balance, yes. Communicate better, yes. But halting competitive gameplay entirely would likely do more harm than good.

[merry wind]

HOLY POP IN

[solemn cloak]

literally ai

[minor totem]

would trooper being buffed this much not be nerfing everything else

who will use mega tank when double shot trooper nearly or does destroy it one hit

[earnest mango]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-meme-no-cat-no-cat-nuh-uh-nuh-uh-gif-5478596456695677807

[desert ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-white-gif-8086630669522815021

[merry wind]

i have read all of it

i agreed

[velvet cradle]

Sure — here’s a longer, very natural denial that sounds like an actual person explaining themselves, not a canned response. It stays calm, a bit firm, and realistic:

I didn’t use AI to make this post. I wrote it myself based on my own experience with the game and what I’ve seen from playing and following updates. The opinions here aren’t some perfectly polished “generated” take — they’re just how I see the current state of things after spending time with the systems, balance changes, and community discussions.

I get why people jump to the AI accusation whenever someone writes more than a few sentences or tries to structure an argument, but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t written by a real person. I took the time to think through what I wanted to say, rewrote parts of it, and posted it because I care about the direction of the game.

You’re free to disagree with the points I made — that’s totally fair and honestly what discussion should be about — but dismissing it by saying it’s AI-generated doesn’t really add anything. If there’s something specific you think is wrong, exaggerated, or missing, I’m happy to talk about that instead.

At the end of the day this is just my perspective as a player. No AI, no automation — just someone sharing their thoughts and hoping for a productive conversation.

If you want it more defensive, more casual, or more confrontational, I can tweak the tone so it fits the situation exactly.

[desert ginkgo]

its been so long since we spammed this 😢

[zinc depot]

Nah people will get too many points in BS if their stuff can oneshot enemies, we gotta nerf them to make people suffer as hard as possible

[solemn cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-ragebaiting-trolling-monkey-dog-gif-5601563095041088836

[earnest mango]

be the change you want to see in the world

[neon basalt]

the snake and AS problem is way different than actual unit performance. Snakes are a problem because most F2Ps can’t clear AS without it (at current level cap) but it doesn’t have anything to do with unit balancing for normal fights or BS performance

[desert ginkgo]

I AM the change just like nab is shorkmaster i was the one who enlightened many of yall with my gifs 🥹

[solemn cloak]

would the ai actually make a coherent response to this gif @velvet cradle

[velvet cradle]

If your intent with this was just to stir up reactions, it’s exactly the kind of thing that turns a conversation into chaos instead of actually talking about the game, balance, or whatever topic is at hand. A lot of people have even pointed out that the term ragebait gets thrown around so much that sometimes it dismisses genuine opinions just because someone doesn’t agree with them.

So yeah — I get the meme, but calling something ragebait doesn’t automatically make someone wrong or troll-y. It just says the content was meant to provoke. Let’s focus on the actual points instead of trying to punch each other’s buttons.

[solemn cloak]

for pvp situations if we ever have pvp events wouldnt that be the problem? the incapability to compete with people who have these units

[burnt dragon]

The real pvp lies in the suggestions

[slender cliff]

w em-dash user with a w nuanced take

[solemn cloak]

most real faust statement

[desert ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-true-nodding-gif-13973817878387504960

[solemn cloak]

give me fire's social security

[neon basalt]

That’s the same for nano units or units that aren’t attainable by others in the future. PVP is its own animal separate from BS (which this post is about BS not PVP) and i’ve said vefore tbat I think PVP needs to have its own balance team

[velvet cradle]

Sharing your Social Security number is a really bad idea, and it’s not just a “paranoia” thing — it has real consequences.

Your SSN is basically a master key to your identity. With it, someone can open credit cards, take out loans, file fraudulent tax returns, apply for benefits, or even impersonate you in official records. Unlike a password, you can’t just “change” your SSN if it gets compromised. Once it’s out there, the damage can follow you for years.

A lot of people underestimate how little information scammers actually need. An SSN combined with a name or date of birth is often enough to cause serious financial and legal problems. Even if the person you’re sharing it with seems trustworthy, data leaks, hacks, and accidental exposure happen all the time.

There’s also almost no situation where sharing your SSN casually is necessary. Legitimate institutions already have secure processes for handling that data, and random people, websites, or communities absolutely do not need it. If someone asks for it outside of a verified, official context, that’s a massive red flag.

In short: your SSN isn’t just another piece of info — it’s one of the most sensitive identifiers you have. Treating it casually puts you at risk for identity theft, financial loss, and long-term headaches that are way harder to fix than they are to prevent.

Protect your info. It’s not worth the risk.

[merry wind]

3rd wall just dropped

[solemn cloak]

i mean if it has separate balance sure

[velvet cradle]

Im gonna try and build the great wall of china with how many text walls Im making here 💪

[umbral sluice]

Thank you for the calm and insightful take, however we are baiting each other so imma have to ask you to leave

[earnest mango]

how can I get fire to meow in voice chat? :p

[midnight breach]

Spartan did so fire is next

[umbral sluice]

Wait is fire using chat 💀

[velvet cradle]

Id do it if I get a frag on my next AS attempt tbh

[merry wind]

[midnight breach]

Screenshotted

[solemn cloak]

going back to this though because i think BS is a better contention, would you really say ppl who have low amounts of units could do just as well? I think thats completely false and was only possible last BS because barely any units were lost in the first place

[earnest mango]

🙏

[merry wind]

we will remember that

[earnest mango]

voice reveal with a meow would be crazy

[velvet cradle]

I don’t really agree with that, and I think calling BS a “better contention” ignores what actually made it work last time.

Saying that people with low amounts of units could do just as well just isn’t true in the current context. That was only possible last BS because unit losses were extremely low across the board. When hardly anyone is losing meaningful amounts of units, the gap between someone with a deep roster and someone with a shallow one barely matters. That’s not a balance achievement — that’s a side effect of the system not really punishing anyone.

Once unit attrition actually matters, players with fewer units are objectively at a disadvantage. They have less flexibility, fewer viable swaps, and less room to absorb losses or bad matchups. Someone with a larger pool can rotate, adapt, and recover in ways that a low-unit player simply can’t. That’s not opinion, it’s just how resource-based gameplay works.

So no, I wouldn’t say people with low amounts of units could “do just as well” in a meaningful or repeatable way. It only looked that way because the conditions last BS minimized losses so much that roster depth barely came into play. If those conditions change — and they already are — that argument falls apart pretty quickly.

If the goal is fair competition, we should be honest about why something felt balanced instead of pretending it’ll hold up once the training wheels come off.

[solemn cloak]

i cant be reading all this 🥀

[neon basalt]

Isn’t that more on the players preparation than “balancing”?

[solemn cloak]

well take maulers

[neon basalt]

like that’s skill diff

[solemn cloak]

that will be this next BS meta

nothing to do with the player's skill or time

you could say ppl during october "prepared" but its ultimately unfair to every player after

why do we willing screw new players over

i mean they shouldnt get every limited unit

[midnight breach]

It requires time to rank up all units needed and time to farm in BS wdym it has "nothing to do with skill or time"

[solemn cloak]

but it shouldnt be be there for maulers or die

[solemn cloak]

obtaining maulers in the first place

[neon basalt]

Then if a player doesn’t have the best of the best, they will need to use what they have to come up with a new strategy instead

[solemn cloak]

the thing is nothing even comes close to mauler

[neon basalt]

not every player should have the best units in the game and run the same formations, everyones accounts are different

[midnight breach]

Maulers r1 kinda dooky

[solemn cloak]

can you really say they'll get that high score if they really try then

[neon basalt]

I don’t think that’s a problem

[zinc depot]

Ah yes lets nerf maulers so all F2Ps get screwed over not just the ones who can’t get maulers

[neon basalt]

yeah

[zinc depot]

Great idea

[merry wind]

your missing out on stuff isnt everyone else problem

[solemn cloak]

then whats a mauler substitute?

[solid forge]

Free stuff

[neon basalt]

Yes, they will just need to find a new strategy that fits their unit selection

[solemn cloak]

i mean i agree

but they shouldnt suffer so hard from lesser alternatives

mauler should be better but not 3x better

[neon basalt]

what if that strategy for them is using a UMG based suicide strat with a lot of throw away units to have fast clears

[solid forge]

I actually own UMGs so thats ok 👍

[solemn cloak]

isnt that a last ditch effort that doesnt really get points

[zinc depot]

Guys hear me out, instead of buffing lower tier units to be alternatives lets nerf all the strong stuff to lower tier level so then everything will be viable

[solemn cloak]

i remember trying it and it was really bad

[burnt dragon]

That was my plan for previous bs but then firemod hit the tower

[neon basalt]

it’s just an example of someone using what they have at their disposal to keep up

[solid forge]

What about both

[solemn cloak]

i mean yes but they cant keep up that way they SHOULD be able to keep up

at least somewhat

[solid forge]

Field Agent go brrrr

[solemn cloak]

i mean maybe im wrong but that strat was so bad when i tried it

[zinc depot]

Oh wait nothing is viable anymore oops tehe we messed up good luck on BS2!

[neon basalt]

Why SHOULD they be able to compete at the highest level? Nobody SHOULD be able to do that just because

[solemn cloak]

not compete

[neon basalt]

also, just because someone has maulers doesn’t automatically equal 2mill+

[solemn cloak]

somewhat at the most

[neon basalt]

it’s just easier

[solemn cloak]

i do think maulers should be better its just the gap is too big

it should be a river when rn its the grand canyon

[zinc depot]

Just add infected spawns to eastern waste at level 56 so maulers are more accessible

Problem solved

[solid forge]

👏

[solemn cloak]

like say the second option does maybe 75% as well as mauler

[velvet cradle]

no no bender is really onto something here. by nerfing maulers, madrona will be able to inflict extreme CBT to the entire community, especially the f2p players. excellent suggestion bender!

[zinc depot]

[solemn cloak]

i dont believe any other current f2p alternate formation could do 75%

[burnt dragon]

25 nanos is cheap

Pay up

Just get a j*b

[solemn cloak]

the idea is not maulers alone

im just saying why the current state isnt it

[earnest mango]

I don't see how the mauler nerf would constitute cognitive behavioral therapy 🤔

[solid forge]

Thought it was computer based training?

[velvet cradle]

gachi legend van darkholme approved..

[solemn cloak]

this is why the convo has gone so long people see mauler is too strong but dont read any of the buildup

[solid forge]

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-eyes-white-guy-blinking-meme-what-huh-gif-26334322

[solemn cloak]

im disproving the balanced nature of the current game so the entire thing can be made better

[burnt dragon]

Nerfing mauler just force you to put in more time to the game

Which sucks

[solemn cloak]

not just one unit change

[burnt dragon]

I want to play less hour not more!

[solemn cloak]

if all op units got nerfed ideally so would enemies

thats the point of a overall balance change

[zinc depot]

You’ll wimp spam for 6h a day and enjoy it

[solemn cloak]

nerf or buff units and adjust other things accordingly

[solid forge]

💀

[neon basalt]

I disagree with your point, and unfortunately i think most people do aswell

[solid forge]

I can't even bear to do the wimp grind anymore.

Lowkey gave up on it.

[solemn cloak]

so you dont think a second meta f2p option for maulers should be able to do 75% of mauler's work?

[burnt dragon]

We need to buff the player base instead

So they give better takes

[solemn cloak]

i feel like this is a reasonable ask

numbers dont have to be exact

but something similar

[pale egret]

Bender, I really think you'd be well served by taking a break from this thread and then posting a new thread later if you feel that you weren't able to do yourself justice in this one

[solid forge]

Plasma Artillery

[merry wind]

u praying for something that will never come true

but i agree

[solemn cloak]

i am NOT attempting this again 😭 😭 🙏 🙏

[solid forge]

Man will die on this hill

lol

[merry wind]

no no dont we almost reach 2k

let him

[pale egret]

bro is aha

😭

[burnt dragon]

🧐

We nerfing the community with this thread!

[solid forge]

https://tenor.com/view/roll-ralph-simpsons-gif-10686023

[neon basalt]

I do, but i don’t think nerfing maulers is going to fix that lol

[solemn cloak]

omg

but its not just mauler's alone im suggesting

im focusing on maulers because its the current meta

i want it all changed

[neon basalt]

i’m just responding to your original point when the oost was made

[solemn cloak]

that was a mistake

i didnt intend for ppl to focus on a only 2 unit nerf to fix everything

[midnight breach]

Petition to change maulers to meowlers and replace them all with @solid island's meowing

[solid forge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-attack-cat-paws-murder-mittens-kitten-throwing-a-fit-gif-11824303677774667726

[solemn cloak]

in short I want a world where theres f2p options to at least do a decent chunk of a meta's output

[zinc depot]

Nerf mauler to brimstone level and buff everything else to brimstone level because brimstone totally works vs level 56 BS

[solemn cloak]

not be completely unusable

which it basically is rn compared to mauler

[solid forge]

Remind me why we're nerfing F2P units again?

[solemn cloak]

ok this is rb

[plain temple]

Too op

[solid forge]

Fair

[solemn cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-ragebaiting-trolling-monkey-dog-gif-5601563095041088836

[solid forge]

Down with the prole

[zinc depot]

F2Ps have too much they need to suffer more duh

[merry wind]

error.... no audio sfx
we need him to meow first

[zinc depot]

We have it

I have it as a soundboard

[merry wind]

[solemn cloak]

welp i think i got everything i was going to get out of this

[solid forge]

https://tenor.com/view/ucb-upright-citizens-brigade-poor-people-air-poor-people-gif-22432838

[solemn cloak]

its over

[umbral sluice]

Knowledge diff mainly rly

[pale egret]

after having witnessed this thread i think i know what it feels like to be a new york jets fan

[solemn cloak]

what is the current highest msg count in a suggestion

[solid forge]

Not this

[burnt dragon]

Its joever

[solid forge]

3,334

Atm

[midnight breach]

Remember: At least you're not a Cowboy's fan

[burnt dragon]

Bait harder

[solid forge]

For the pity system

[solemn cloak]

only 1k more to go

[minor totem]

And/or do something like this

https://discord.com/channels/463817609130016788/1423041358784106506

[earnest mango]

why can't we just buff the bad units instead of nerf the usable ones?

[zinc depot]

Because that would help F2P too much obviously

Also no fun allowed

[solemn cloak]

that is definitely a part of my suggestion

i feel like tom on the piano at the end of the concert

[earnest mango]

but you can buff the bad ones without nerfing the good ones though

[solemn cloak]

yes im ok with that

look balancing goes two ways

nerf op units or buff bad ones

im ok with either i just want balance in general

[solemn cloak]

then adjust all pvp n that accordingly

[burnt dragon]

If you're tom, im jerry.

🐁

[earnest mango]

and you're saying all pvp/boss strike should be delayed until balance is fixed?

[solemn cloak]

yes theres 2 reasons for this, 1. it will upset players who are not in favor of the current imbalance if BS happens 2. it will give madrona more time (hopefully) to work on balance changes faster instead of working on BS

[burnt dragon]

He said players

[zinc depot]

We love content droughts

[burnt dragon]

Player(s)

[solemn cloak]

I personally wouldnt mind a BS delay

thats just me though

[zinc depot]

Madrona please delay BS further we love content droughts!

[pale egret]

but a lot of other people would

[solemn cloak]

i really care about the balance

the suggestion was to gauge how much ppl care

and i guess not a lot

[merry wind]

Of course u woulndnt it been established that everyone hate it but u dont

[solemn cloak]

i dont understand

[burnt dragon]

[pale egret]

...

[zinc depot]

[solemn cloak]

oh ur saying just me

[zinc depot]

Player(s) (singular)

[burnt dragon]

[solemn cloak]

im in favor of the BS's balance

like my account is fine

[burnt dragon]

Speak up king 🗣️

[merry wind]

@burnt dragon brother... I kneel that so good

[native robin]

I don’t know why it’d matter to have some particularly strong units in the game as long as the barrier to entry was reasonable.

Plasma artillery. Trebuchets. Frags. All of them are available to anyone. No money required. All are very, very strong units. Them being strong isn’t really bad as far as game balance goes. What’s bad is that we have a lot of units that are useless so combat becomes monotonous.

Nerfing the strong units just makes the people who worked for them feel like they lost something. Because they did. And it doesn’t fix the issue with other units either. If you leave the stronger units alone and just make the others more useable, you effectively “nerf” the stronger units without the downside of actually nerfing them.

[merry wind]

[solid forge]

https://tenor.com/view/shots-hot-ear-hot-shots-in-one-ear-out-the-other-gif-14504283

[pale egret]

we can replace the entire population of the earth with the number of strawmen built in this thread

maybe that's how we will get world peace

[burnt dragon]

I am the straw

[solemn cloak]

i just care about the long term of the game