SP BUFF

[strong beacon]

Yeah

[white yacht]

ngl bro i think people just got to thug it out

if you arent looking up the stat difference between r5 and r6 and grinding that

thats on u

[strong beacon]

It goes back to the point of “Why are people trying to grind R6 when there’s no reason to and they hate it”

[white yacht]

survival of the most intelligent

[stable vector]

I think the FOMO of AS is suddenly what made all the r6 seems mandatory

[kindred oxide]

I mean we are missing a lot of the sp boosts from the past

Lets talk about it after we get those

[strong beacon]

It’s like 3 units for AS needed

And you could’ve easily grinded vet/heavier during the BS

[stable vector]

All of a sudden you have to r6 vets, megas (not mandatory), snakes (r9 in place of r6) to have a chance. Which is like 1M sp?

[white yacht]

its like 700k or somethign

[kindred oxide]

It does rewards player who prepared.

[stable vector]

I hit lv49 3 days before the update, so I have vets at r3

[strong beacon]

Snake R9 is definitely unnecessary but rather a bonus

[stable vector]

I grinded the entire r6 vet mega over a week and it really made me angry at everything

And snake r8 with one snake

[strong beacon]

Why would you though…

[vernal sparrow]

Theres also the original game having a lot of ways to increase SP gains that are just absent

[strong beacon]

That’s just asking for burnout

[stable vector]

To not fall behind

[strong beacon]

How are you going to fall behind?

Not killing AS?

That only applies to leaderboard pushers

[stable vector]

I’m pay2lose, I want to have a frag going into the next bs for personal reasons

[strong beacon]

If that’s your own goal then you kinda have to accept grinding those units in a short period will suck

R6 units aren’t meant to be blitzed in a week, you should be taking your time

[kindred oxide]

Honestly people are putting too much emphasis on getting good score for boss strike.

It does not rewards you whatsoever

[stable vector]

Mmm I understand, though if AS is a content you want to clear, you do need those units ranked up to have a good shot

[strong beacon]

You can easily score 1-2 mill with heaviers + maulers

[kindred oxide]

Getting to a decent guild does tho

[vernal sparrow]

AS drops a good unit, players want that and are presented with something that seems impossible and they miss out on chances to get said unit if they don’t clear ut

[stable vector]

Unlike pre-AS where you can play and clear every content without a single r6

It’s more of a

[strong beacon]

Yeah I think that’s okay tbh, it’s the only boss that does it and encouraging 2-3 R6 isn’t a bad thing imo

[stable vector]

Sudden surge of expectation more than anything

[kindred oxide]

I would argue pre as, the game was too easy

Its a nice challenge after as

[strong beacon]

Pre-as the game was too easy

[kindred oxide]

Maybe not the grind...

[strong beacon]

You could run through story with R1 units

[kindred oxide]

But you get my point

[stable vector]

I would want more challenges, but not with make or break rewards tbh

[strong beacon]

Isn’t… that the point?

[last timber]

it reward u with ability to beat AS with fair chance. which makes it important now.

[strong beacon]

It’s a good unit that’s locked behind time investment

[noble epoch]

when the AS was added in the OG it was after people had been sitting on max level for awhile so there was a lot less perceived time crunch

[stable vector]

Like a month long challenge where ppl figure out the best lineup, with ppl able to build and rank the niche units that does the best to r6, to get the best scores

With nanos as rewards

[strong beacon]

Most people didn’t even kill AS asap

[stable vector]

That Id like a lot

[strong beacon]

Most just waited for promos

Idk why nowadays people are so rushed to kill it

[noble epoch]

and the RNG layer
we're already seeing the effects of that too

[strong beacon]

AS RNG is dumb yes

But that’s an AS issue not a SP/R6 issue

[strong beacon]

That’s kinda BS without the massive grind yeah

Would be fun

[stable vector]

Z2 times is also different in that you can wait for new broken promo to help you kill the boss strike lossless

Z3 have the frags as the super units and nothing else come close in bs strength , so if you have it it’s an ungodly boost

[noble epoch]

boss drop rng is going to be the most polarizing argument about this game
until they figure out something else for people to fight over

[strong beacon]

Yeah the RNG aspect I get for sure

I’ve had many friends be frustrated over drops/drop rng

[stable vector]

And also, we are going to get a lot more much scarier sp grinds

Naval especially

[strong beacon]

Naval needs a rework

Same with Plasma SP

[vernal sparrow]

I still think AS should be doable, but not necessarily well and definitely not reliably with r4/r5 units.

[strong beacon]

It is

[noble epoch]

AS frags are going to be a significant time saving in BS, assuming you're targeting a score instead of pushing for a given time investment

[strong beacon]

People beat it with R5 vet R5 heavier

[stable vector]

Yeah pls do give us some sp rework before I have to eat naval max ranks raw

[noble epoch]

but then again that's also not related to SP

[vernal sparrow]

What r4/r5 units beat AS (any r6 makes it not count, all need to be r4/r5)

[strong beacon]

If you’re targeting 2 mill you should be prepared to grind, if you’re targeting 500k-1 mill you can do it with maulers

[strong beacon]

R5 heavier + R5 vet

[kindred oxide]

Waiting till we unlock trebuchet and radio tech is not the end of the world.

[strong beacon]

There’s an R6 TK but you can just reset more with R5 TK

[stable vector]

Tbh I think AS is kinda an outlier, the frags are not mandatory but it’s so good that it puts a massive FOMO behind killing it

[kindred oxide]

Like okay i guess i do slightly worse during boss strike.

[strong beacon]

R6 TK is just there for convenience

[kindred oxide]

Thats not a big deal

[stable vector]

I don’t think anything else will create a similar FOMO, except for arena challenges

[noble epoch]

why someone chose to fight it with R5? no idea
but it ended up working out

[strong beacon]

There’s also someone that beat it with R5 vet R4 heavier R7 snake

And you’re not gonna seriously tell me you can’t grind R7 snake

[kindred oxide]

Getting high score in bs is mostly reserved for grinder

[vernal sparrow]

Given how much it sucks with r6 Supers and r6 Vet, I wouldn’t say it’s reasonable enough.

I wouldn’t say the r6 Vet + r6 Super is either

[noble epoch]

I can't grind R7 snake because they're R8

[kindred oxide]

Like why do you need high score anyway if you dont grind this game?

[strong beacon]

People want high scores without grinding

It’s dumb

[strong beacon]

How easy do you want the game to be 😭

[stable vector]

Idk what’s the win rate with r5 vets and r5 heaviers, like 1% ? Props to the guy for getting it tho

[strong beacon]

There’s 0 challenge already

Finally a boss releases that’s at least a bit challenging and people want it to be doable with R4s

[kindred oxide]

Getting high scores doesnt net you anything

Its only a bragging rights

[strong beacon]

Might as well delete R6 from the game atp

[kindred oxide]

Why so serious

[strong beacon]

It was very low but doable yeah

[stable vector]

I mean, back then sp boosts were already up when AS dropped

[strong beacon]

Definitely props to them

[kindred oxide]

Madrona decided not to add sp boosts yet*

And we know why

They dont want us to blitz through the game

[vernal sparrow]

People want rewards while inputting a “fun” amount of time into the game. Which with current expectations is hard to do

[strong beacon]

There’s 0 input to get R4s

[stable vector]

And raiding was locked so ppl actually have to kill all sorts of encounters

[strong beacon]

An R4 takes an hour

[stable vector]

(Which, with the boost, is still better than bfc)

[kindred oxide]

How people have fun is entirely subjective

[strong beacon]

Their own fault for wanting things on a silver platter

[stable vector]

So not only do ppl get to rank their units faster, it’s also funnier than banging their head on bfc for hours

[strong beacon]

Nah

[kindred oxide]

Its not necessary to grind that much

[strong beacon]

People just SP traded

[stable vector]

Oh yeah that too

[kindred oxide]

Just enjoy the game at your own pace

Dont burn yourself out

[stable vector]

But my guild didn’t sp trade so we did encounter farming the way god (z2) intended

[strong beacon]

“Oh no to get this unit I have to actually play the game? The horror!”

[kindred oxide]

No one is holding you hostage

To grind the game

[vernal sparrow]

i want r6 grind to feel rewarding, not functionally required like it is for AS.

It also sucks a lot knowing you can beat a boss, but pure rng just says no

[kindred oxide]

Its a game

[strong beacon]

Yes the RNG aspect is dumb

Making AS beatable with R4s is even dumber

[stable vector]

Being able to use your units in all sorts of encounters, and get sp faster than bfc, actually having fun? Inconceivable in z3 times

[noble epoch]

has anyone actually asked for an AS nerf besides that one thread?

[marsh summit]

If u can beat the AS with R4 how would R6 be rewarding

[noble epoch]

not the frags, the AS itself

[stable vector]

I like AS as a challenge tbh

[strong beacon]

Probably a few

[stable vector]

I like things that make ppl come up with guides and recommend unit lineups

[strong beacon]

The only good argument is “AS isn’t beatable F2P rn” which is a valid argument

[stable vector]

I didn’t like that f2p options were locked for 3 business months for business reasons

[vernal sparrow]

The game punishes you for this in its current state, otherwise I’d agree.

[strong beacon]

How does it punish you

You’re not forced to score 3-4 mill in BS 😭

[stable vector]

I also didn’t like that sp grinds is just a painful ‘sit in bfc for 12 hours’ kind of deal

[noble epoch]

if my boss strike points go too low my bus will explode

[kindred oxide]

Define punishment

[strong beacon]

It punishes you if you’re a top competitive player

[kindred oxide]

Im curious

[stable vector]

At least make it interesting

[strong beacon]

Agreed

More encounter variety would go a long way tbh

[stable vector]

Fragment is a top player btw, but he also sees the struggle of his semi-comp and semi-casual guildies

[strong beacon]

But like… there’s no points quota?

People hit 500k with wimp spam

If someone wants a good score they have to work for it, why is that a bad thing

[stable vector]

The FOMO behind AS is making some ppl quit tbh

We have lost a couple of guys to the void because of it

[strong beacon]

I mean they should’ve released 56 not 53 I agree

[kindred oxide]

As is a permanent thing

Youre only delaying the clear

[stable vector]

Yeah prestige not being ready Is a poor excu$e

[vernal sparrow]

By making it more reliable, and likely having more options. Part of the issue with AS is also choice, and a lot of that comes down to AS rng and poor unit scaling.

R4 puts the carrot in front of you, r6 is getting to actually eat it as a sort of but not quite analogy to describe it

[kindred oxide]

Just wait

If you hate grinding so much

Wait for a better unit

[stable vector]

I can agree with that tbh

[strong beacon]

If people have vets/megas/heaviers and aren’t willing to grind for AS that’s on them

[stable vector]

Some of my guildies are kinda dead after getting their vets ready to r6

[kindred oxide]

Dont torture yourself trying to "enjoy" the game

[strong beacon]

These are the same people that quit when a boss gets hard

[stable vector]

I’m worried about how they’ll feel when they actually start the reroll torture hell

[strong beacon]

The only valid complaint is that AS is gated behind nanos/snakes

[marsh summit]

So if I’m correct, are you advocating that R4 should have a chance? But not likely?

[kindred oxide]

If someone were truly dedicated to clear as

They would research and save up their nanos

It rewards those who prepared

[vernal sparrow]

A decent chance, like current r6 rates

[stable vector]

That, and make SP farming viable outside of BFC tbh

[strong beacon]

Yeah those two changes would go a long way

[kindred oxide]

I agree with more spots to grind sp

[strong beacon]

Level 56 + make other SP spots viable

[stable vector]

Yeah maybe change NH to a very good sp zone, would be a bandaid

[kindred oxide]

Hopefully

[stable vector]

But mainly the encounters

[strong beacon]

NH and GB, and then buff encounters

[kindred oxide]

They took Greensborough from us

They shall give us New Haven

[stable vector]

Why do encounters that are limited by spawn giving less than raiding bfc

[strong beacon]

They give more iirc, but are slower to clear

[kindred oxide]

That shucks

[stable vector]

Hmm ok true

[strong beacon]

Raptors and boars give like 600

[stable vector]

They need to give a lot more

[strong beacon]

Yeah agreed

Honestly one thing I’d wish they do is also buff goliath tank

[kindred oxide]

Have someone proposed a change to New Haven yet?

[strong beacon]

That thing being 100% winrate the moment you unlock it is so dumb

[stable vector]

Yeah I actually want GT to be a threat

[fallen ether]

As a level 15 player. I feel someone who just started shouldn’t have to have a whole checklist of what to do and what to save things for. Not be soft locked, etc. I feel being prepared for AS would involve spending time leveling the correct units and using them the right way. Not avoiding soft locks bc nanos are so scarce or so few units are good for it. Idk, maybe I’m spewing nonsense but that’s me.

[kindred oxide]

I dont have any experience with gt so i can't really speak on that.

[strong beacon]

Heck goliath tank at level 56 would be 100% winrate

[stable vector]

But it still have to kill able with f2p tools available then (especially if plasma is changed, which I want too)

[strong beacon]

Imagine AC but at level 50

That’s goliath tank

[kindred oxide]

Wait really?

[strong beacon]

Yes

It’s that easy

[kindred oxide]

Wow what a let down

[stable vector]

The game revolves heavily around nanos, so f2p will end up struggling insanely without a renewable source of nanos

[noble epoch]

thing has nonexistent offense and not incredible resists

[stable vector]

Prios will change over time too for nano purchases

[strong beacon]

GT has like 4k less eHP than AS

[noble epoch]

so vets can do the same thing they do to the AS

[stable vector]

So sometimes it’s better to save and not buy stuff

[strong beacon]

Don’t need vets

[kindred oxide]

They definitely should make it way harder

[mint mountain]

ads for 1 nano should come back

[strong beacon]

5 heavier + 8 trebs is a free win

[kindred oxide]

Its an end game boss ffs

[strong beacon]

And plasma nukes the thing too

[stable vector]

I’m ok with GT being harder than AS, but not hard to the degree of needing full board of nano/t10 units to kill

[kindred oxide]

Oh yeah plasma...

[strong beacon]

No definitely don’t nano gate it

That would be awful

[kindred oxide]

I mean technically

If you have melee frags

Its f2p

[fallen ether]

But yeah, what is the game like at max levels anyways. Days long waits for things ?

[kindred oxide]

Mostly clearing encounter

Farming for gears

[strong beacon]

Fighting bosses, clearing encounters, grinding BFC, waiting for next BS

[kindred oxide]

And you wonder what kind of player bn foster...

[noble epoch]

boss respawn timer would be huge

[strong beacon]

We need more events

There’s so little to do sadly

[kindred oxide]

Definitely

Imagine if its another grinding event

[vernal sparrow]

There’s been a couple people asking for invasions

[kindred oxide]

On brand

[hollow marlin]

invasions would be nice yeah

would break up the monotony of doing BFC and waiting for boss respawns

[kindred oxide]

Invasion?

Is that a suggestion by the player or developer?

[vernal sparrow]

Invasion events are where certain enemies respawn faster and usually have double SP

[kindred oxide]

Huh never heard of that before..

[vast tendon]

Honestly I feel like if a unit is crazy unbalanced if given to the player then it def means it has a glaring issue. A brutal bombardier is basically our plasma tanks with its additional attack

[kindred oxide]

Dreadnought 😂

[vast tendon]

R4 hvyr and r6 snakes have been done before 🎰

[noble epoch]

there's a reason almost nobody used that attack on the plasma tanks
it's not consistent enough

[vast tendon]

BS opening move

Entire board is packed with units, you’re not going to miss

[hollow marlin]

not every target has equal value- I would feel pretty meh if the majority of the damage got dumped into a grunt or whatever

[vast tendon]

And then give 3 different drops, the OG phalanx, and two side fragments

[vast tendon]

Party off cooldown

[long yacht]

Have you done garbage truck

It’s also terrible

[strong beacon]

No but I know it’s a worse heavier xd

[long yacht]

Yeah lol, stuck with 30 offense ranking to R6

[limpid sun]

20 offense at R1

Might be the worst in the game

[weary sleet]

I mean, its called a garbage truck

[long yacht]

I enjoyed it because it never died, but the misses were annoying for sure

[strong beacon]

Maybe with a ranged frag it won’t be so bad

[weary sleet]

Why wouldn't it be bad?

[long yacht]

Yeah with ranged frag it should be not bad

I leveled mine up only to use them once for the sentinel 😭

[strong beacon]

I’m so glad I didn’t try for that

I took one look at it and immediately decided it wasn’t worth it

[long yacht]

It was so not worth it

[wary plinth]

I bet Artem disagrees

[long yacht]

I mean, it’s a nice unit to be done, but it just has no use

It’s supposed to be good against SW but traditional tanks are better because of better crushing and piercing resistance

[wary plinth]

That's all of the Relentless roles beyond R1

[long yacht]

I still haven’t submitted for Relentless

[wary plinth]

Should have gotten someone to sponsor you for it

[wary plinth]

Slackin'

[long yacht]

Fr

[jade coral]

Already been discussed to death but Guild SP Boosts, Purchaseable SP Boosts (maybe with a buff to the merit SP Boost), Weekend SP Multiplier and R6 Units not taking SP would go a long way to making the game substantially more accessible for the casual audience as new/first-time players begin to join the game.

[queen pond]

Sure he can call it ragebait all he wants, but acting like a 13 year old when you're in your 30s is embarrassing and pathetic, its like those disney adults not wanting to accept their age

[uneven latch]

just a game, not that serious

[tardy dagger]

Life or death for these bots. They spend more time on disc arguing then R6 SP grinding.

[uneven latch]

this is why we were on the leaderboard

[tardy dagger]

You are not wrong... Next time maybe we should just send them a screenshot of our r9 snakes and "cry"

[uneven latch]

For them

next time we’ll get 6 T10 rewards 🦭

[tardy dagger]

Cry

[uneven latch]

I have more tentacles

[tardy dagger]

I hope some guild can acc pull that off - you need an insane amount of points/time… honestly don’t see it happening unless someone manages to make a superguild - where they recruit the top100 players

[tardy dagger]

I have 0 clads.

[uneven latch]

we’re right here, mm the collab

[wary plinth]

Could happen eventually as more powerful units release

[tardy dagger]

Guess I can’t see it in the near future

if we can spam r9 LSW, and LM with no restriction unbuffed, maybe

[uneven latch]

ppl complaining about maulers already, I don’t think LSW is gonna keep people happy lmao

[tardy dagger]

I mean maulers are the best f2p unit in the game atm... Like come on.

[uneven latch]

Idk why ppl don’t like it

[sweet cove]

Ya’ll really just like coming on here and ruining threads with your annoying rage bait huh. Go play your game and let people discuss, yall are grown adults

[tardy dagger]

cry

[uneven latch]

cry

[tardy dagger]

Btw we are literally also having a discussion… you daft 1diot. Let us talk.

[sweet cove]

Ya’ll seriously don’t have anything better to do than to start arguments 😂

[tardy dagger]

go grind an r6 units bud

[uneven latch]

We are just having a discussion

[tardy dagger]

Or u gonna cry its too much SP?

[sweet cove]

I already have. Unlike you guys, I don’t make it my whole life tho and put people down for suggesting things on here and having actual literate suggestions

[uneven latch]

cry

[sweet cove]

This ain’t a flex though 😂 “look at me, I don’t have a life and make this 2014 mobile game my life” “get better”

[tardy dagger]

Atleast he is happy, clearly u r miserable AF

[sweet cove]

I’m quite happy actually

[tardy dagger]

Good for you, then quit complaining and get on with ur happy life

Skill issue

[uneven latch]

I’m just enjoying the game lmao, just bc you ain’t at my lvl why you hating

[uneven latch]

Is this your way of coping?

[tardy dagger]

Cope

[uneven latch]

Cry

[tardy dagger]

@uneven latch You are a legend.

[uneven latch]

ppl like this guy make me rank up units for no reason

[tardy dagger]

Hahaha same, I will get back to my r6 melee and mauler grind lmfao

While he keeps crying about too much SP

[uneven latch]

but we need sp boost

[tardy dagger]

i run out of things to grind by week 3, but we need SP boost...

Try grinding the ironclad to max level without SP boost, then u can complain.

[uneven latch]

monster grouper took me a while

that’s worse I feel like, the clad is good

But I only have 1

[tardy dagger]

Same haha, one of the hardest ones.

[tardy dagger]

Atleast you have one...

[tardy dagger]

Yeah but r9 clad is insane. its like 1m SP.

...

[uneven latch]

…

yea f that 😭

naval is hard, they need to come out with a bfc kinda thing for naval

you can’t really grind naval troops

[tardy dagger]

Yeah this is fcked

[tardy dagger]

Hopefully they change this soon.

[uneven latch]

I feel like tentacle is worse ranking up because of the 3 turns you wait

[noble epoch]

tentacle is just bad

but that's naval for you

[tardy dagger]

yeah but realistically u dont have to rank it up, its just mid

Unless its buffed, its useless

[uneven latch]

nahh

It’s my favorite naval unit rn

I use it to fight the kraken, it’s so strong

[tardy dagger]

Its a glass cannon, when i feel like gambling its fun, but I only got 1

[noble epoch]

the amount of times it gets oneshot when you're trying to rank it

[uneven latch]

I have 3 of them so I just keep rotating them, they have good health at r3 for me

[noble epoch]

powerboat crit incoming

[uneven latch]

especially when it crits it does insane amount of damage

[uneven latch]

yea that’s just annoying

[merry jackal]

What players really need is more positive reinforcement in the grind

there's barely any atm

[muted spade]

Holy unemployment

Damn XD

Great rage bait tho

[uneven latch]

you can’t ragebait me, it doesn’t work that way

[muted spade]

no no, the other way around

[uneven latch]

can’t ragebait me

[muted spade]

i wasn't trying to rage bait you two guys rather to improve the overall game experience for the other 99% of the playerbase xD

but have it your way

seem you guys like attention

[uneven latch]

🤔

@tardy dagger are we seeking attention?

this has to be ragebait

[tardy dagger]

For sure, we are so fed up of SP grinding we are "seeking attention"

[muted spade]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-get-real-patrick-star-spongebob-spongebob-meme-gif-3444602609189057100

[uneven latch]

[tardy dagger]

Struggling with SP grinding out here, the hour it takes to grind 30k sp at BFC is too much... imma faint...

[muted spade]

yeah buddy watch paint dry for 10 hours straight just to be able to have a shot at the current boss

[uneven latch]

image didn’t load :/

[uneven latch]

wdym?

AS is easy

[muted spade]

this you?

[tardy dagger]

Literally take megas as an example tho, they can solo BFC at r5, so u can get almost 500 SP per fight - so u spend 1 hour a day grinding BFC and in 10 days you have megas r6??? I dont see the problem, not everything is supposed to be instant. Its ok to take 10 days, or 5, if you can grind 2 hours a day, or less if u happy to no life...

u can get 30k SP an hour at BFC, with the new repeat button.

If u buff this, u will literally complete the game in 2 weeks...

[ruby socket]

Suggestions being suggestions again, I see

[tardy dagger]

Like sorry, ur just lazy. Say it. Yikes.

[uneven latch]

anything but grinding

[tardy dagger]

crying>grinding

trash mentality

[muted spade]

not all units can solo clear the fast you understand that right?

[uneven latch]

5snakes> complain

[uneven latch]

You can use umgs as fast clears

[muted spade]

what if I wanted to rank the heavier tank which takes 440k+ sp

[tardy dagger]

Ofc, but then u can use UMGs? For half the SP, and many require much less SP then megas...

[muted spade]

yeah for half sp so 10 days turn to 20

[tardy dagger]

Take wimps, u can finish those in about 10 hours if u use UMG/wimp combo... for 1hr a day... again in 10 days u have r6 wimp.

[uneven latch]

nah

every troop is no more than a 10hr grind

[muted spade]

With umgs it takes over an hours to get a bar

on the heavier

[tardy dagger]

this is where u r wrong... do the math. not to mention UMGS are faster at clearing then megas...

[tardy dagger]

Heavier I solod at r5, it took me about 13 hours to do it... Thats REALLY not bad to get an endgame level unit max....

Like how fast do u want to complete it? 10 mins? Ur tiktok attention spasm must be taking a toll on ur mental health. ITS SUPER easy to grind if u are determined enough.

[uneven latch]

I did it at bs, finished fast asf

[tardy dagger]

Watch a film or a series with the missus for an hour and grind a little every day?

Like not to mention its not supposed to be r6 for everyone

[muted spade]

hmm 10 minutes or 30 hours so you understood that my suggestion of tripling the sp at best turns 30 hours to 10 minutes?

[tardy dagger]

Even better.. Yeah BS will be a great opportunity to get loads of SP.

[tardy dagger]

Dude idgaf what your suggestion is until you are reasonable. Your math is backwards and ur attention span is literally 10 mins.

[muted spade]

here so you understand what backwards means

[celest bay]

"umm I don't like what you are saying how about I keep repeating the same LAME insult over and over again"
you are the type of person to throw their entire salary into this game and not feed their kids so you could get another mega tank

[muted spade]

this is "Boo" backwards

[weary yacht]

ooB

[muted spade]

There would be no debate if rMAX units were not mandatory for most activities, hell you cant even clear the dreadnough consistently without max rank m10s raptors and r5 buoys.

[celest bay]

umm yeah you can if you spend idk how many nanopods for more m10s
"this content is pure rng bs? just spend more money bro"

"you dont have a clad to clear this content bro? i dont care i have 5 clads and 7 tentacles go try spending more money"

[muted spade]

Its not about atention span its wether WE as in the whol rest of the playerbase other than you two guys are down to mindlessly grind for hours on end just to be able to complete what this game has to offer.

[tardy dagger]

Yeah no, its not a insult, you guys are simply not seeing common sense. Its ok not to have everything r6 in 5 mins, its also not impossible to get units r6, its simply time consuming, there isn't a single game where you can master units this fast, it takes time and dedication to master something - the same way it does to grind a unit here. I literally havent even spent a lot on this game btw... I just spend regular time grinding every day, because I enjoy it. If you dont, nothing wrong with that, play as much as you want.

[tardy dagger]

It takes maybe 2 hours to make buoy and m10 in the current state of the game.

[muted spade]

You do realize naval encounters are limited?

[tardy dagger]

You dont need to compete tho! Either you are willing to put the time in to be the best, or you dont! and thats okay.

It requires time and dedication to be good at something as it does to get r6 units consistently in this game, if you cant see that, then idk what to tell you.

[muted spade]

There is no competing I don't care about competing in a P2W game. I just want to enjoy it on my own.

[tardy dagger]

In clash of clans it takes years to max out a hero... like you cant dedicate 10 hours to max out a troop?

[celest bay]

you meant the 10min tiktok attention span as an insult. you know that
"it takes time and dedication to master something - the same way it does to grind a unit here"
problem, this is not a mastering process, it is a repetitive grind with nothing other than time involved

[tardy dagger]

So enjoy it... the devs are working on rebalancing it anyway.

[muted spade]

So then why don't you want others to have a balanced experience?

[tardy dagger]

Practice makes perfect, yeah perhaps it is a repetitve process, but the idea is the same - u invest time into something to make it better - and it really isnt a lot of time...

[uneven latch]

cope

[uneven latch]

If you want to play f2p or causal, than don’t cry about it when you can’t play at a higher lvl

[tardy dagger]

Its not a balanced experience tho, just because its easier its not balanced. Arguably its the most balanced now??? Like its achievable but not easy or hard... Like dude it could be way worse. There are so many games that lock content behind a paywall or needs an obnoxious amount of playtime to achieve something f2p.

[uneven latch]

just mad that you can’t keep up

[celest bay]

practice makes perfect cannot be applied to anything and everything, especially this type of grind
and this is about the absurd amount of time that has to be invested

[tardy dagger]

You are literally complaining about grinding a couple hours a day is too much?

[celest bay]

when money talks 💵, the brain listens👂

[tardy dagger]

Its very little time in the grand scheme of things. I am not applying it, simply saying its the same principle. you invest time into the game, to get better at it.

[muted spade]

There is no higher level, what you refer is "HIGHER TIME INVOLVED"

If it was a couple hours a day we wouldn't have this discussion.

[uneven latch]

you think if I gave you my account, you’d play better than me?

[muted spade]

It would be that if we had the features I've proposed.

[celest bay]

yes

[muted spade]

yes

[tardy dagger]

We havent even gotten to the grindy part of the game and you guys are already crying... Like 600k SP is nothing... every other unit is gonna cost 1m+ to rank to max. Again its okay not to have it max in the first week... You can take as long as u need to get there.

[celest bay]

actually no because i would not spend any money

[uneven latch]

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-laugh-four-gif-7446278225827837893

[muted spade]

By then you wont need RMAX units to CLEAR content it would just make it easier

[tardy dagger]

Thats fine too. But then dont complain the game is not friendly to you. As its those paying who are keeping it alive.

[muted spade]

now you need it, you can't clear the as with r7 snakes, or r5 vets etc

[uneven latch]

you guys don’t even play competitive at all, you would’ve had snakes as well

[tardy dagger]

You dont need max units for anything. Except maybe AS, but even that u can clear with r5 tanks and r8 snakes...

[uneven latch]

multiple but you want to play causal

[tardy dagger]

Which should take u couple days to achieve

[celest bay]

keep allowing the 1% to dictate the direction the game is going and keep silencing the poor
nobody wants that, I hope

[muted spade]

most people don't have more than 2 snakes

[tardy dagger]

You acc can... r7 snakes are already doable, r5 is not ideal but also doable, just needs more resets

[muted spade]

and with that its not enough

[uneven latch]

there problem, contribute more to BS

[tardy dagger]

Thats a different issue. Thats to do with BS and AS difficulty and hopefully that gets addressed in the next update.

[uneven latch]

https://tenor.com/view/pera-algorand-algo-hopium-copium-gif-16765445473855345349

[tardy dagger]

You arent wrong... Like its not a given u get to unlock all this content and instantly complete it... those who spend and play more are obviously going to be better then those who dont... That is just the way it works.

[muted spade]

either way woundn't you rather farm your outpost encounters for sp rather than to do the same encounter 3 hours straight?

[hasty fjord]

stockholm syndrome if it was a thread

[muted spade]

ofcourse spend more be better

[celest bay]

+1
make the grind BETTER, not remove it

[uneven latch]

They knew what there guild was capable of and still stayed, they don’t rank up any units or get what’s required to get ahead in BS and they say “ it’s not f2p” they put no effort

ridiculous

[tardy dagger]

No I wouldnt, i prefer turning off my brain and grind in autopilot while watching or listening to something

[celest bay]

when money talks 💵, the brain listens👂

[uneven latch]

then get your money up, ima enjoy my acc

[tardy dagger]

No point arguing with them... But they are a loud minority. I highly doubt Madrona will give SP changes even a look... If anything once we get harder units we will get SP boosts.

[tardy dagger]

money talks because thats what funds the game - what have you done to support development? Other then complain.

[muted spade]

enjoy bro when the game goes EOS thanks to people like you

[uneven latch]

https://tenor.com/view/speak-gif-9578947274896178319

[muted spade]

then there is only you playing

[uneven latch]

I support the game I like, you think it’s free to run a game like battle nations?

[tardy dagger]

It will literally never go EOS becuase of people like him, infact the only reason the game is alive because of people like BOO! He put his own money forward and buckets of it to bring this game back from the dead.

[muted spade]

And here it is

[tardy dagger]

There was 2/3k patreons active.... And this game will find its playerbase wether its you or not, it doesnt really matter.

[tardy dagger]

What is here? Did you support the game yes or no?

if yes, how?

[uneven latch]

it’s not just me too, 200+ ppl have mammoth tier purchased one or twice just to revive the game, that just speaks volume

[celest bay]

umm yeah its free
ofc its not free the problem is not with people supporting the game
the problem is with people supporting the game being the only voice heard
just beacuse you have money to spend doesnt mean your opinion is more valid than mine

[muted spade]

Look when i joined this server

I've been here since this game had ever formed the concept of coming back

[tardy dagger]

they arent the only voice heard, you are simply unreasonable!

[muted spade]

Do you only think people who spend all their cash support a game?

[celest bay]

decided to play and recommend it to other people, just as it has happened to me extending the reach of the game
duh

[uneven latch]

I never said my opinion is more important then yours, I’m just saying I’m supporting the game and want it to stay alive so I donated

[celest bay]

maybe not the only one heard
but the loudest one
by far

[tardy dagger]

You are arguing that the game is too grindy at getting 30k SP an hour... Bud thats lightmode compared to like 99% of mobile game! Not to mention you litearlly get access to 90% of the game f2p.

[muted spade]

Great so let others who can't afford that enjoy the game also

No need to gatekeep

[uneven latch]

so don’t complain that it’s “ p2w”

[muted spade]

I don't i complained that there is no alternative either swipe or grind hours on end

[tardy dagger]

Ofc they listen to people who pay aswell?!?! At the end of the day WE are paying for the game to keep being developed... Not you. What happens if we leave because your ideas get implement? Then the game will terminate in weeks. I promise you.

[celest bay]

it is

[muted spade]

If this idea was implemented it would have no NEGATIVE effect on you

I didnt suggest to BUFF MY PERSONAL SP GAIN.

[tardy dagger]

Yes it would, you would make the game too easy and we would run out of content to grind even sooner!

[muted spade]

Rank up every unit ingame you would find something to do

[muted spade]

You'll find something to do im sure

[uneven latch]

better than having to upgrade troops with resources and wait 3 weeks to upgrade one lvl

[tardy dagger]

It should take weeks, if not months to grind out units. Not days. And that is the way it is.

[muted spade]

no

[tardy dagger]

Atm its a small minority who minmax everything in the first weeks, and instantly asking for new content, if this way implemented, everyone would be bored after a week or so.

[tardy dagger]

yes.

[celest bay]

no

[muted spade]

You guys are the minority?

[tardy dagger]

As hard as it is for you to see, it is the truth.

[muted spade]

Don't you see

[celest bay]

talking about tiktok attention span...

[tardy dagger]

No those are who have minmax-ed everything and want new content every couple weeks

[muted spade]

Even other people who pay don't agree with you

Its not about paying

[tardy dagger]

Well they spend hours grinding the new units every update... and finish them quick looking for new content

[tardy dagger]

Sure bud

[uneven latch]

many people do that, even f2p

[muted spade]

You do realise there are people who don't play the game 8 hours a day everyday

they only log in a couple of times

[uneven latch]

you think we do?

[muted spade]

yes

[celest bay]

we also do that those wimps and vets didnt get to r6 by themselves, htats not the point

[uneven latch]

I only log in a couple times a day, maybe 30 a day and just play on weekends

[muted spade]

otherwise you woundn't have problems of ranking up units too fast like your buddy

[celest bay]

yes

[tardy dagger]

Whats your point here?

[uneven latch]

you just think we play 8hrs a day bc that’s how behind you guys are

[tardy dagger]

Because as I have said, it literally takes 1hr to grind 30k SP! So in 10 days, you can grind pretty much any unit to r6!

[muted spade]

that there shound't be content gatekept to mindless grind, let it be achieveable easier with grind but achieveable in any way without it

or make the grind easier

[tardy dagger]

Its achievable now tho?

[celest bay]

play the game like a job, have a job to throw money on the game, have a family
pick only 2 thats the point

[uneven latch]

you can have a family and grind

[muted spade]

send me a video of doing the as without any unit rank max

and i'll agree

[tardy dagger]

If you think a 10 hour grind for an r6 unit is a lot just look at how long it takes to master a gun in cod. Or to grind anything in CR or CoC.

[uneven latch]

that’s why you max out units

[celest bay]

give me a f2p snakeless AS setup

[muted spade]

no, you should max out units to make it easier not possible

[tardy dagger]

At the end of the days the devs need to make money, not make the game easier. If there is a solution in all this, a common ground it wont be made easier for f2p, there will simply be an option to pay and speed up the grind.

[uneven latch]

Why do you think there’s lvl caps for?

As you go up, units get stronger and beat harder bosses

[tardy dagger]

Different conversation - that is again not to do with sp grind, but with troops. And AS I HAVE said, the devs already said, that hopefully with the release of prestige and 56, f2p will have a better chance

[uneven latch]

you saying it shouldn’t be like that just shows you don’t want to grind

[muted spade]

bosses get harder also, so?

[uneven latch]

Yes they do

[tardy dagger]

Acc they dont.

[celest bay]

coc takes less, the 14 day eagle upgrade is not the problem
cod is a bad example the games are dying by the year

[tardy dagger]

The AS is the hardest boos

[uneven latch]

DN, kraken, all get harder

[muted spade]

the dreadnough becomes harder at level 60 for example

[uneven latch]

At one point the DN was impossible but now it’s easy even as f2p

[tardy dagger]

LESS, 14 days?!?!!? The heroes take years! The hero equipment takes months of grinding to collect the gems to upgrade them...

[celest bay]

true about the troops not sp part, but still relevant to the whole grind thing
in the grand scheme

[tardy dagger]

It literally is borderline impossible to max f2p in coc.... Everything is made p2w.

[muted spade]

complete it without any m10s

[uneven latch]

I used to be max14 and still couldn’t keep up, that game is boring

[uneven latch]

It’s easy, just use R1 and baby groupers

[tardy dagger]

As it stands, even if u r6 everything, it still wont help u with AS, you realistically need snakes for it to not be a gamble. So yes it is a different conversation

[muted spade]

I agree its way cheaper to swipe in BN that COC

[uneven latch]

I have them maxed out, I can complete it easily f2p

[celest bay]

fake info
halloween, christmas and other seasonal events give you more than enough
and what is with this years for a hero thing? the game is made to be time gated, not grind gated

[stable vector]

I think there’s a separate convo but I would much rather my sp farm be encounters, any other varied fights than 1000x bfc

[tardy dagger]

By that point you should have a scaleable army to defeat it, infact if you get a drop or 2 clads it becomes v doable even f2p (and its v possible now f2p? will be even easier at 56)

[uneven latch]

it’s definitely slower

[muted spade]

what if I dont drop any clads?

[uneven latch]

But not by much

[stable vector]

Maybe 20%? I did do a bit of encounters to have some varieties

[celest bay]

snakes are from BS, which needed high to max rank troops to get to rank 12 at least
so yes, it is relevant
in the grand scheme of things

[weary yacht]

Yuh the time investment for R6 is fine. It’s just boring af right now

[tardy dagger]

It takes like 40 mins to clear all encounters atm? And I am sure you get 20k SP during that time... So again, if u dont have time or dont wanna grind, you hop on 2 times a day, grind some SP and work towards r6... it doesnt need to be instant, or any faster than that

[stable vector]

But I’d much rather see encounters getting buffed to be on par with bfc, if not a little better

[tardy dagger]

Rough. I dont have one LOL...

[uneven latch]

what about tronks base

[stable vector]

I know. Just tired of bfc after like 3k of it in two weeks

[tardy dagger]

As a f2p you should invest in m10s anyway, and should be doable

[uneven latch]

r1s also work

[muted spade]

Thing is nobody other than you two would complain if we get thrown a bone here

[tardy dagger]

Yeah but you dont need to grind it at BFC, you can grind your encounters 2/3 times a day... And the further we get into the game the more encounters we will have anywa.

[uneven latch]

why would I complain?

[celest bay]

most veterans who spend a lot would complain, so not true

[tardy dagger]

Tbh I wouldnt even complain. I just cannot see any adjustment being made other then SP and XP boost being implemented... but at that point you guys will probably complaing that p2w get all the good boosts lmfao.

[celest bay]

depends if the normal boost is x2 and the paywalled one is x20

[uneven latch]

no 20x should never be allowed

even 2x shouldn’t tbh,

[weary yacht]

Lemme just buy unit ranks

[muted spade]

So what do you think about rMax units not wasting total battle sp?

[weary yacht]

$1 per 1000 sp

[tardy dagger]

I mean it probably will be... not that extreme but in the old game you used to get a 30min of 1.25x boosts (every 24hr) and better ones for nanos.

[muted spade]

Added benefit of maxing out a unit

[tardy dagger]

ANd there used to be 2x events.

[celest bay]

🖕

[uneven latch]

I like $1 for 100 sp better

[merry jackal]

To be absolutely fair, here, while I'm generally not in the kill the grind camp, uh....

[weary yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/broke-no-cash-gif-25565154

[merry jackal]

Some of these grinds are frankly silly

[muted spade]

just make it 5MIL so they have plenty weeks of "CONTENT" XD

let them have something to do

[tardy dagger]

These are all endgame units... that yeah they should be hard to grind. And considering how much SP you will get from encounters and BS, should not be impossible to complete - yeah it will be a grind tho.

[stable vector]

I just want to kill bfc, but it’ll be funny if it backfires and we don’t get a replacement sp source that’s as good…

[merry jackal]

Well, that's the thing, uh

SP gain from encounters kinda plateaus after level 51

and BFC never actually gets replaced by a new grind spot

[celest bay]

so true bestie

sry for this

[merry jackal]

I listed these ones as these are the 4 that are generally considered "mandatory" in endgame

in that they dwarf everything else so severely in power level that there's really not much point in using anything else

[tardy dagger]

Yeah but you dont need to have them max...

Infact all the old youtubers had these near max... and were actively grinding to get them higher.

And thats OK.

[uneven latch]

no sp buff 🔊

[charred kettle]

Why are we still continuing this thread? There are 91 positive votes against 4 negative votes for this change. And as always, it's the same people who try to "ragebait" (even though they are 100% serious) just to flood the thread every time with their elitist opinions that an extreme minority wants to follow.
Everything has already been said about the positives of this change, there's no need to have the same conversation every 2 days because some people are bored and want to entertain the gallery (of 2 people)

[muted spade]

They like attention

[merry jackal]

Well, when PvP returns, synchronous ladder and asynchronous arena challenges alike

yes you will

[weary yacht]

Amount of 👍 doesn’t matter

[merry jackal]

max rank will be mandatory then

[uneven latch]

I represent the 4 thumbs down 🖐️

[celest bay]

saw a 2v1 and wanted to even the odds

[celest bay]

shove them up your a

[celest bay]

then remove that from the threads duh

[muted spade]

Goodnight guys respect to the Soemone guy for at least holding some statements

[charred kettle]

Yes it does

[uneven latch]

this is why you guys will never reach top 100 with this mentality

[muted spade]

Of course you reach top 100 with your wallet 💰

[tardy dagger]

Wallet doesnt matter. Grinding does.

[muted spade]

Again off topic

[celest bay]

im sorry my guild did not pay for concrete 😭😭😭😭😭

[uneven latch]

your right, I’m just happy my wallet is thicker

[merry jackal]

Also endgame boss strikes look like this

So

[tardy dagger]

Ultimately, those grinding during the BS will have better rewards anyway to those too lazy to grind

[uneven latch]

your lose

[celest bay]

when money talks 💵, the brain listens👂

[merry jackal]

good luck doing that without r6 Artillery Plasma Cannon

[uneven latch]

complain> get better

[celest bay]

*loss

[muted spade]

uga bunga

[celest bay]

when money talks 💵, the brain listens👂

[uneven latch]

your lose

[muted spade]

can we get a poll to make this your pfp

[uneven latch]

https://tenor.com/view/wheelchair-dancing-happy-happy-dance-cheering-gif-5735769911863981544

[stable vector]

I win you lose

[noble epoch]

It would be really funny

[celest bay]

4 thumbs up
ready to be shoved up someones a

[uneven latch]

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-talking-to-a-wall-talking-to-a-brick-wall-brick-wall-in-1-ear-out-the-other-gif-17785834849687082129

[weary yacht]

How do I jump to the top of the thread I don’t even remember what I’m arguing about

[celest bay]

ew you used a gif with THAT guy

[uneven latch]

honestly, idk either lmao

[merry jackal]

and endgame PvP in the original game looked like this lol

[celest bay]

up arrow

top right

[weary yacht]

[celest bay]

ow

ouch

[muted spade]

Boo called backup

[uneven latch]

what did I do

[noble epoch]

Sometimes the up arrow doesn’t happen

[muted spade]

Throw rock stun units

[uneven latch]

I ain’t even MM, we just have common sense

[charred kettle]

Discord mobile version is so trash

[muted spade]

thats kinds your thing

[uneven latch]

that’s kinds

[stable vector]

You guys read the top of the thread?

I just see whoever I don’t like is talking and flame them

[weary yacht]

That be true. I’ve accidentally jumped to the top before but idk how to do it

[celest bay]

you are at a loss for words huh?
sorry, your at a lose

[uneven latch]

it’s not hard to ragebait here

just disagree with the thread and people will jump at you

[weary yacht]

I’m just here to helicopter parent some1

[stable vector]

Unfortunately I’m on team sp buff

I’m going to have to jump you

[muted spade]

as is everyone else

[uneven latch]

[celest bay]

. so called "master ragebaiters" refer to this comment

[uneven latch]

if sp does come out

It shouldn’t be less than 100 nanopods for 30 mins

[muted spade]

youll change your pfp

ok?

[uneven latch]

For 1.2x

I think that’s fair

[celest bay]

wont matter he will make another alt

[stable vector]

??? Think bigger. $49.99 for 30 minutes of 30x sp

[tardy dagger]

Aint u supposed to be in bed? Nursery is on again tomorrow

[uneven latch]

https://tenor.com/view/hehe-gif-15484253710579183342

[stable vector]

And Patreon tier give you sp buff too

[celest bay]

your mother is keeping him awake

[stable vector]

You better mammoth every month

[tardy dagger]

Ofc she is, still needing mommies milk

[muted spade]

and i complimented you that you tried to be reasonable now you just try to dis everyone

[uneven latch]

I’ll mammoth every week

[stable vector]

They stack ofc

[uneven latch]

you and me both

[tardy dagger]

I had enough, now ragebaiting comes

[celest bay]

sad that its him and not you who is getting it
):

[tardy dagger]

No point to reason anymore

[stable vector]

My mammoth goes to another school

[celest bay]

refer to the above comment please "master ragebaiter" san

[muted spade]

There was no point since even if what you promote is right people dont want that.

[uneven latch]

this is my sign to join mm, the rich

[tardy dagger]

Past your bedtime

[celest bay]

past you brain activity level
its off the charts!

[tardy dagger]

Btw you couldve grinded 30k SP! ON ANY TROOP! During this time... No let me argue here.

[uneven latch]

that’s why he has 5 snakes

[stable vector]

There is no point to this, I’m just fueling the conversation so I have something to watch while I bfc

[fallen ether]

it takes years to max a hero is Clash of Clans ??? it takes at most a week or two. Unless you're talking about going from TH7 to THMax

[uneven latch]

I agree with these people just so I can stay ahead, it always works

[celest bay]

when money talks 💵
you know the rest

[regal oak]

Whats the problem with have free multiplier sp weekends for those who don't want to put money on and the option to freely buy boosters for those who want to put money on?

[celest bay]

when money talks 💵
you know the rest

[weary yacht]

Ok I figured out how to scroll to top

And I don’t like any of the suggestions

[tardy dagger]

Money talks... thast why I owe your mother

[stable vector]

@weary yacht Come back

[uneven latch]

No, 100nanopods for 30 mins, 1.2x boost

[tardy dagger]

i mean they could be top100 in next BS if they would grind this much....

Instead they are grinding up to their boyfriend, whole arrging here. L

[uneven latch]

Instead of making there accounts better they argue with us

[celest bay]

so poor cant even pay for the cheapest hooker
yet throw money on a video game?
you children must despise you
i assume you have children since any idiot can bag

[regal oak]

I mean, if thats the market rate you are willing to pay then fairs but a double sp weekend once a month doesnt devalue that for those wanting to pay for that convenience?

[tardy dagger]

Dont have children.

[celest bay]

you dont need to make your account better because your wallet can just do that -_-

[tardy dagger]

Do you? Do they complain this much aswell... Bet you would slap them the f up they would be constantly crying like you are

[celest bay]

so not every idiot can bag huh

[tardy dagger]

Daddy, work too hard and too much

[uneven latch]

yea my wallet upgrades my units

[tardy dagger]

Please NOOo, I dont wanna study and get smarter, take too long

Give me Study boost and less work.

xD

[muted spade]

@tardy dagger enough bro give it a rest if you have nothing interested left to say

[fallen ether]

The hell has this devolved too. Both yall looking like fools.

[uneven latch]

for you it’s allowed, not for these other people

[celest bay]

ik thats what im saying

[tardy dagger]

No thank you

[weary yacht]

If you’re on mobile and u tap just above the title it jumps to the top

[tardy dagger]

Gotta get this thread locked up

[weary yacht]

You’ll just get muted

[tardy dagger]

Eh couldnt care less

[celest bay]

nooo but then he wont have any other place to release his frustrations ):

the other interesting suggestions in this server looking at him

[regal oak]

This is equity i can get behind lol

[stable vector]

Any convo is keeping this thread up and working to our advantage tbh

[uneven latch]

only for you

[tardy dagger]

i dont have any frustrations... unlike you when I do, I spend it grinding SP at BFC... xD

[muted spade]

1700 messages for the love of god

[weary yacht]

I just don’t think any of the suggestions made are appealing to the devs

[uneven latch]

you can stop this at any time and grind

[stable vector]

I have one screen on bfc and one screen here, I accumulate anger from bfc and I vent it here

[tardy dagger]

Sure bud, the devs have seen this thread weeks ago... and have continued to ignore it and will ignore it into the future...

At most its a minor annoyance to them

[muted spade]

don't want to delay my content

[stable vector]

Oh yeah right why am I thinking that z3 will do anything

[celest bay]

im not a doctor but that must not be good
search for one, might help
fr

[uneven latch]

I’ll give Alex a years salary to not see sp boosts now

[weary yacht]

Game is just full of holes rn. They’re trying to build a business and a game at the same time

[tardy dagger]

I mean thats why they have spent so much time in here engaging with your AMAZING ideas. Infact they are implementing it NOW as we speak! The more you scroll on tiktok the faster you SP rank up!!!

[muted spade]

great response

[tardy dagger]

Look at that!

[stable vector]

I’ll give Alex $5 to watch another guild implosion on donchat

[celest bay]

what suggestions have they implemented? (real question)
how much do they care abt suggestions? according to some high paying rank guy: they dont care
not what i said, not what i hope

[uneven latch]

I can make that happen

[stable vector]

Pls! Pls! Pls!

[tardy dagger]

Dont need to do that as the SP boost havent even been mentioned in the roadmap going forward... xD

Clearly they are happy with this the way they are... Hence why 0 changes have been made to the system...

But OH NO its Too hard and long to grind...

Well thats what you mum said to me too xD.

[weary yacht]

They’ve added a couple I think

[fallen ether]

Now I agree this game should have more SP available for limited times for F2P lest it becomes a game only for whales as more stuff is added. Isn't it how it died the first time anyways, stuff took to long while other games shortened time investment over updates.

[celest bay]

thats good, a couple is good for a start

[stable vector]

I’m going to achktually here

Z2 killed BN by squeezing the whales dry

[weary yacht]

But adding suggestions is definitely 2nd to getting the game in working order

[stable vector]

Z3 can keep it alive as long as they keep mammoths happy, but whether it’s a fun and accessible game is another question

[weary yacht]

Which is where pretty much 100% of the dev time is going to

[tardy dagger]

It died the first time because Z2 sold their soul... nothing to do with game balance btw.

[tardy dagger]

Well as long as they make money who cares right?

[celest bay]

we cant know, we dont know, we wont know
we can hope, we do hope, we will hope

[stable vector]

I care, because I want BN to be a fun game I can recommend to others

I did grind the hell out of bfc, but if I told my friend that is the endgame

Are they going to buy it

[celest bay]

reach is also important

[fallen ether]

Nah, I see no sane person picking this up over CoC unless they have nostalgia

[weary yacht]

They probably have a pretty fleshed-out plan for making SP grind more tolerable. That’s why I think this suggestion will be mostly ignored

[stable vector]

CoC went full p2p with hero equips

I don’t want to spend $$$ or be around all the time to keep up

[weary yacht]

I doubt it will involve massively shortening the time investment though

[celest bay]

96.5% of the people in this thread hope for this

[fallen ether]

After more research, I can confirm. Bought out like EA does companies then made it super predatory on spending.

[stable vector]

I mean it can be as simple as making encounters give sp efficiency on par with BFC

Like a 30% boost

Would go a long way in not making sp grind like eating a block of concrete

[tardy dagger]

Yeah... no sht. I do hope endgame stuff gets changed. But I think the rest of the game only need minor tweaking and the rest of the features implemented to fully function...

[stable vector]

Z2 killed BN leading up to the king acquisition btw

To stretch their financials

[tardy dagger]

Dont need to... its f2p LOl

[stable vector]

King got a dead IP and some useless devs

For hundreds of millions prolly

[tardy dagger]

Many people dont like grinding, if it aint for you, no problem, plenty of other games that you can play that dont need you to grind

[stable vector]

And then King got the IP snatched from them too

[tardy dagger]

Dead IP? Based on what? Sure the game was plagued with cheaters, but had the same potential coc did... Only difference is, they didnt sell the game out, they kept on developing it

[stable vector]

BN is ultra dead after arena challenge

King isn’t saving it after that

[regal oak]

I feel the frustration probably comes from a point of view that you feel inclined to spend on premium units to have a fighting chance as the game scales. Like, yes its possible to beat the AS with free units at r5 but your probability of success is much lower compared to that with megas or vet spams. Then you would need to grind units to r6 to increase your odds with your free units and thats were the fatigue comes in. Im not against the grind personally, but it certainly does wear down the enjoyment.

[stable vector]

Z2 was and will always be the mega winner

[celest bay]

please make it clear now
are you one of those veteran whales that cannot understand the that changes people suggest are not black and white (grind to hell or NO grind)
or are you voluntarily ignoring this whole thread for your "master baiter" plan?

[tardy dagger]

Tbh vet and mega span are both really bad too. AS is just not a fun fight unless you have snakes.

[stable vector]

Yeah we want slightly easier and less bland grind not no grind

[fallen ether]

I'm sure soMe_1_Else isnt baiting. Just a different perspective

[tardy dagger]

I am not a whale btw.

[ruby socket]

autism isn’t exactly a perspective

[stable vector]

I think after getting mega r6 done I was going to stab someone if I see another striker spit

[celest bay]

"light spender" sorry

[tardy dagger]

I spent a max of £300-500 altogether on this game... Since I started supporting it.

[stable vector]

Ok we need to define light spender lol

[celest bay]

...

[tardy dagger]

50/50 btw

[ruby socket]

See, delusional

[stable vector]

I consider myself a light spender but I only spent $30

[fallen ether]

oh, welp

[tardy dagger]

Thats tiny compared to what some have spent lol

[celest bay]

people like you that cannot understand the value of money sadden me

[stable vector]

You are like big dolphin, 1 grand onwards is whale

[tardy dagger]

Nah I just studied and made a decent life for myself... and can spend on whatever I want lol.

[celest bay]

that is closer than 300-500 kilos

[tardy dagger]

Atleast you understand...

A single mamoth is like £250... many have bought that 2x atleast.

[celest bay]

good for you
but you did not study (not in school related environments) anything abt economy
as in the larger scheme of things

[stable vector]

I mean ur a heavy spender, just not a whale tier

[tardy dagger]

Who cares what I studied?

Economy is nothing to do with it

If I can afford to support the game I love, I will

[tardy dagger]

I guess. Over the course of IDK, like 2+ years, its really not that much...

Its like a netflix subscription to me lol

[celest bay]

says 300-500 kilos is not a lot of money
says people can / should spend more
argues about f2p / p2w
doesnt know anything about money
huh?

[regal oak]

Snakes really are detrimental, i dont really see how players are managing without tbh. Though in part, the last bx kind of felt like a taste of whats to come - in the sense that whoever had more hvy chem tanks would get more snakes lol.

[tardy dagger]

What is kilos to do with it??? I am like not following at all lol.

I am saying if you can afford to, you should support the game.

[weary yacht]

4th on the leaderboard was using 1 HCT

[tardy dagger]

But again the conversation is like going in a completely different direction?

What is how much I spend anything to do with SP lol

[weary yacht]

I think it was more about the communication around fire mod

[celest bay]

and thats good
lets say I cannot afford anything more than food on my table due to multiple circumstances out of my control
am I not allowed to have a real chance of playing the game?
or do I have to spend money to clear content higher than lvl 19 raiders? (exaggeration)

[uneven latch]

what did I miss?

[weary yacht]

The mvp of BS1 was a f2p unit

[stable vector]

True. I base heavy spender differently for different game. For me it’s the point at which p2w have a completely different experience.

$100 is firmly heavy spender territory for me. With $100 (3000 nanos) you can have a full suite of adv repair, adv iron/coal + 2 steel, fleet of m10s, megas, supers, vets and support nano units (demos, HCT, even brimstones), a couple of morgs and other nano shops. With $100 you can play a completely different game.

[celest bay]

your train go sleep in a puddle

[uneven latch]

skill issue

[regal oak]

That is hella impressive, but you cant take away the fact it was a huge boost to the majority

[tardy dagger]

I mean you literally have access to the whole game, minus AS... Like I dont get your argument here. If you are struggling ofc u dont need to spend

[fallen ether]

it's only $30 a month if it's 500 pounds spent. However, you shouldn't HAVE to spend to enjoy a free game.

[uneven latch]

if you had real problems you wouldn’t be sitting here arguing with us

[weary yacht]

Yeah I can’t argue that the game is in a state that’s F2P-friendly. But I don’t think that’s intentional

[uneven latch]

it’s still bringing back the whole game

[tardy dagger]

I mean how much I have spent on BN is tiny fractopm compared to what I have spent on COD, CS, Fortnite even (7/8 years ago)... I guess that is subjective... I have never been in a position where I went, yeah I can drop a bag on CS skins just cas.

[celest bay]

i didnt say that i cant afford more than bare minimum
it was a hypothetical situation
yk what they say abt pp who cant understand hypothetical situations

[uneven latch]

well if that’s the case, said individual shouldn’t be play games at all

[weary yacht]

Yuh it’s just f2p has the short straw in terms of gameplay holes rn

[uneven latch]

yea

[weary yacht]

No one would be having issues if occupations were a thing

[uneven latch]

there not brining them back

[weary yacht]

Bridged the gap massively in the OG

[tardy dagger]

Yeah I mean clearly f2p will get reworks and help once the devs have finished reimplementing everything

[weary yacht]

Ikik

[weary yacht]

Yuh

[celest bay]

now its AS
next it will be the PvP and other things
you shouldnt have to spend to be able to enjoy any type of content in the game

[fallen ether]

Yeah, I never spent a dime in CoC but have spent here because I miss the game and want to support it. I don't want to see it die again when only grinders and a small pool of whales aren't enough to keep it afloat anymore.

[uneven latch]

no sp boost anymore 🥂

[tardy dagger]

We just need a way to earn more nanos through achievements or smth for f2p. But again thats a different convo

[uneven latch]

It’s being worked on rn, it’s just gonna take time

[regal oak]

I think long term thats what matters the most. Just that with the slower releases, people become more eager to rush past the next milestone

[uneven latch]

but in the meantime bfc it is

[tardy dagger]

We have no idea what PVP will be like. Hopefully with the next cap AS will be easier for those without snakes.

[celest bay]

*doable but yeah share the feeling

[weary yacht]

If I hadn’t played bn before and I wanted to try it I’d probably last a couple days f2p

Then uninstall

[tardy dagger]

It is enough to keep it afloat tho... atleast until the devs iron out things and work on advertising.

i personally love grindy games... and would stick around for the cool units and such. Which sold me back then and still is super attractive for my gameplay style rn

[weary yacht]

If you hadn’t played before you’re not just gonna instantly buy a barge for funsies

[tardy dagger]

Ofc not, but if I enjoyed the content and the art, sooner or later I would...

Not to mention its not hard to get a grasp of the game through youtube and disc...

[uneven latch]

same reason why I started coc but then it just became a joke

[weary yacht]

In its current state I think BN would fail to draw me in

[fallen ether]

I like grindy games too. Played Borderlands and farmed perfect rolls of weapons for hours on end. My problem with this game is that there isnt much variance in grinding. It was more tolerable in Borderlands due to it's gameplay. Here... its just the same few clicks on the same enemies a lot of the times.

[stable vector]

^^^^

[tardy dagger]

I mean unfortunately COC has become v pay to win recently, I havent enjoyed it at all recently.

[scarlet igloo]

My mans get timed out?

[tardy dagger]

You say that, but there is literally like 7-10 types of encounters to do... Like if you dont grind hours on end, and clear 1/2 times a day those encounters it really isnt that bad

[tardy dagger]

For what?!?!? LOL

[stable vector]

Even warframe grinding is ok until like the first nightwave, I dropped it after getting the umbral Forma never picked it up again

[scarlet igloo]

He prob wrote a word the bot didn't like but the little icon there infers a time out to stand in the corner

[celest bay]

rhetorical question

[tardy dagger]

I am aware hahah. So is mine lol

[uneven latch]

make it make sense

[scarlet igloo]

Can't write t for teenager

cannot write the shorthanded version of teenager.

for some reason.

[tardy dagger]

dont say the t word...

[noble epoch]

Creepy people several years ago

[uneven latch]

[fallen ether]

All this talk about SP while im sitting here waiting on Iron for promotions at level 15

[uneven latch]

we all start somewhere

[stable vector]

Yeah this precisely… spenders and mammoths won’t mind waiting, as we have waited for years already

But new player experiences need to be fixed fast

Or BN will have no momentum and be forced to become increasingly predatory to stay alive

[weary yacht]

99% of the spenders and mammoths played the OG and are on a nostalgia trip

[scarlet igloo]

In it's current state I stick around cuz sunk cost phallacy, honestly I think cutting the current game out of my life would do me good, there's so many better games that ask for my attention far less than this one, and are far more enjoyable

But I play this one because I just cross my fingers it becomes good eventually

[weary yacht]

We don’t care if the game is not good rn

[fallen ether]

No no no, 10 iron per battle is WAY too much. Decrease it to one.

[uneven latch]

only reason why I came back, I feel like that BN plan, bring og players than advertise

[tardy dagger]

This is a way bigger problem then SP

[stable vector]

I know, but SP grind, at least the variety of it, is a sore thumb

[tardy dagger]

They need to create a comprehensive and intuitive early game for new players - this is why I dont think we have seen any advertising yet.

Infact I think f2p nanos, pvp and early game is way more important in the long run. As the game wont retain any new players till the devs fix those up.

But it seems like they are working away at those anywa.

[uneven latch]

exactly

[fallen ether]

Yeah, for early game, im maxed out on SP but I just have NO resources to promote. Living in Iron poverty. I can farm 50 stone at once. 15 wood in 1 turn. 10 iron ? takes 4 turns per try.

[uneven latch]

just have to get all the iron nodes and max them out as fast as possible, it does take a while to max everything

[fallen ether]

Yeah, im currently advance upgrading every Iron node I get. Screw getting iron

[stable vector]

Iron is always an ass

After you maxed iron, you hate it more because now your only way to get more than your daily allocated quota is to farm more Gantas

[weary yacht]

It gets better

[tardy dagger]

Just nano it

[stable vector]

Or swipe

[fallen ether]

Nano Tier 1 resources ?! Madman...

[weary yacht]

I didn’t see these

Golly

[fallen ether]

Yeah, that is a LOT lol depending on the unit you're leveling, you could always get 5x XP. With others. 10x consistiently.

Heavys would probably always have 10x SP gain at those rates

[weary yacht]

I stand by my 👎

[scarlet igloo]

(The lengthier solution would be to maybe do away with some of the ridiculous SP reqs)

x2-5 SP is an awful lot and can go out of control quickly

I think the easier solution would just be to nip it in the bud.

[weary yacht]

Idk I think the current sp on R9 is alright

[scarlet igloo]

some of these units will be a smooth 37k, then it's like "Aktuhally 1 million"

Wuh?

[weary yacht]

When ur maxed 70 and got nothing to do you can chip away at big sp units

[fallen ether]

Yeah, individually decrease SP amounts needed seems more balanced honestly. You could insta rank some units if SP was simply multipled in general.

[scarlet igloo]

Some units are powerful enough to justify lengthy SP grinds others are just confusing.

Like as some people said you don't need R6, it's just nice to have. But on some units they fall off so quickly and R6 is a long ass time to grind

[weary yacht]

A lot of the R9 stuff isn’t worth it

Stat increases drop off from R7-9

[fallen ether]

In combination with decreasing SP needed on certain units. Just in general not splitting SP to units already maxed on SP would be extremely helpful.

[weary yacht]

I’d settle for uneven sp split for maxed units

[scarlet igloo]

SP system just needs to be observed as a whole. Current system is... Hmm.

And you can't really bandaid it.

[weary yacht]

Yeah the current suggestion feel like a bandaid

They’ll cook something up

[scarlet igloo]

Hopefully! That's been my hope the whole time I've been playing!

[weary yacht]

But I think it’s too big to base off a suggestion

[scarlet igloo]

There's a lot of archaic elements in this game I'm not really happy with but, I just kinda hope one day the Developers agree and work on it. For now we're kinda just hoping blind / taking their word for it

[weary yacht]

They prob got a monstrous to-do list

[strong beacon]

I got first and I ran 2 HCT 1 pyro as my nano units (super was replaceable by heavier)

[scarlet igloo]

Well, I only hope I live to see the game improve.

[weary yacht]

Yuh I’m just putting BS1 score discrepancies to dev miss-communication

[vernal sparrow]

I just think all the stuff with sp costs above 2mil, should be reduced to 2mil, maybe 3mil instead of 2

[strong beacon]

[vernal sparrow]

Keep it roughly as approachable as Wimp

[strong beacon]

Yeah BS1 was actually less P2W than most BS if you had proper stuff prepped

[weary yacht]

I really enjoyed using dragons, pyros and flame turrets though

[strong beacon]

It was fun yeah

[scarlet igloo]

There was a comment I can't find where they said something along the lines of considering more things like firemod but not directly firemod

but I can't find it

[vernal sparrow]

Crush mod next BS would be nice

[fallen ether]

wait, you could actually use those units ?!? Idk, I havent ever played a Boss Strike

[weary yacht]

Is it in the BS recap announcement?

[scarlet igloo]

don't think so

it was somewhere in dono gen

but I checked and couldn't scrounge it

someone quoted it, or maybe they just fed me BS

[strong beacon]

Crush mod would be awful xd

[scarlet igloo]

wouldn't be the first lol

[strong beacon]

Spam wimp and melee frag

[vernal sparrow]

Wouldn’t it just be wimp spam?

[weary yacht]

Yeah - firemod sets all fire-type resistances to 220%

[strong beacon]

Yeah exactly

That’s boring asf

[vernal sparrow]

Maybe give us raider brawler before hand

[weary yacht]

But the dot on those were multiplied by 2.2^2 due to how dot is calculated

[strong beacon]

No strategy, no tactics, just “who has R6 wimps (every single top player) and who can sit there wimp spamming the longest”

[scarlet igloo]

In my dreams...

[weary yacht]

It’d be cool if they gave all attacks a small chance to freeze for BS2

If it’s a cold environment BS

[vernal sparrow]

I’d rather every attack freeze just because the rng would be awful

[weary yacht]

Lemme just pull out my field agents and score 20m points

[fallen ether]

nerve gasses the whole board

[vernal sparrow]

This would be interesting to find out, but yeah unless someone finds some crushing unit, it would be boring

[vernal sparrow]

Maybe every single target attack

Or only pierce/crushing attacks

[strong beacon]

There’s none xd

[strong beacon]

The only aoe crush are wimp, melee frag, imperial dragoon, colossus, zombie stalker, frontier tractor, wolf scrapper

And promos obviously

[weary yacht]

I was gonna say

Crush mod + jedrek promo

But most of his attacks are explosive?