T7 Reward Next Boss strike

[finite inlet]

They are likely gonna rework sentinel. Maybe make this suggestion after balance changes after F2P gets a chance to actually attempt the fight first.

[fast sky]

wheres info on that

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[proper flint]

Not a good idea, bs rewards shouldn’t be coming back unless it’s the same bs fight

[fast sky]

mmmmmmm

looks different to me

[quick sphinx]

I appreciate the thought but this doesn't solve the issue because 1. It doesn't resolve the issue that AS wins are tied to BS rewards and 2. It's damage is so bad that you are better off running TKs

[fast sky]

its only 25% lower than Snake

more or less

[quick sphinx]

Which is a really big difference since the viability of a unit isn't based off of raw damage alone but based on its damage improvements over alternative sources of damage like tanks or vets. At R8, it's body HP damage is barely higher than a Vet's

[fast sky]

i mean if you have vets then you dont need this

this is for poor people with no other options

[quick sphinx]

Not really. Running vets with heaviers and TKs are really low odds. Running Vets with heaviers and this is even lower. Running without vets, Cobra/TK or not, is the same as running your units off a cliff

[fast sky]

so ur saying its impossible for F2P

[quick sphinx]

Technically, no. Practically, yes

[fast sky]

even if they had 3 snakes and no vets

[quick sphinx]

Oh no snakes should be alright with a good formation (I have yet to see a decent formation publicly posted). Cobra though is guaranteed loss

[fast sky]

even though its only a 25% dps decrease from the snake

that 25% is what does the loss

[quick sphinx]

"only"

Yes

[fast sky]

can it not be overcome by relying on luck for crits

its just a lower chance of success

[quick sphinx]

Yes. That's why I said technically not impossible, but practically impossible

[fast sky]

even if its like 10% chance to win its probably still better than it is rn

[quick sphinx]

Ha 10% without vets

I would be shocked if it is more than 0.1%

[finite inlet]

My undisclosed leak says they struggled to kill AS with current units (including snake) during dev testing and were looking at nerfing AS.

[fast sky]

@shadow pewter is this true

[finite inlet]

Wouldn’t make sense to put out a boss that nobody could beat

[fast sky]

welp

[quick sphinx]

That would be surprising since that just isn't true

[fast sky]

if thats true then thread is getting deleted

[quick sphinx]

Using nano units, you can achieve an over 90% win rate

70% with heavier and snakes as long as you have vets

[fast sky]

why would they be testing it with nano units

ragebait

[finite inlet]

Just delete the suggestion and make a new one after the update if everything I said turns out to be false

[fast sky]

if AS isnt nerfed im coming to ur house

[stray star]

No it’s very doable rn

AS is nowhere near an impossible boss, heck level 40 DN is closer to that than AS

And plenty of people beat that too

[fast sky]

but the dev team tests with all F2P units like they did for GB

[quick sphinx]

Always good when someone who knows the numbers join me 😮‍💨

[fast sky]

im assuming

[quick sphinx]

Getting 2-3 vets is very doable for an F2P player tho

[stray star]

Yeah with snake + a few vets it’s very manageable

[fast sky]

if they planned it 23 levels ago

maybe

[stray star]

Heck even vets + no snake is very manageable too

[quick sphinx]

I'd also bet that the devs aren't as good at formation building as some of us top guilders

They are probably making mistakes that cost them their win rate

[fast sky]

15 levels with the Boss strike 80 nanos

[stray star]

I just realized I never even read the suggestion

Cobra is probably worse than a vet or heavier vs AS

[quick sphinx]

Hikari jumps in guns blazing without a care for context lmao

[stray star]

All I saw was AS numbers xd

[fast sky]

not in a buffed state

[stray star]

Actually no lemme correct that cobra is like 99% worse than vet or heavier

[quick sphinx]

It is worse than TKs

[stray star]

Cobra with snake resistances is 99% worse than vet or heavier

[fast sky]

well vet isnt in play because its not f2p

so its just heavier vs cobra

[stray star]

That’s… a low bar xd

[quick sphinx]

TKs have at least the chance of getting 2 body hits which goes a long way 😆

[stray star]

True lmao

[ocean ermine]

This chat is flying

[quick sphinx]

If I were F2P and snakeless, I'd save for 3 vets, run heaviers with TKs and just reset until I get like 2 body hits with 2/3 TKs 😆

[fast sky]

a R7 cobra does 62 dmg to AS body

[rugged patrol]

It was started by Liam

[fast sky]

a r6 mega does 56

tell me again

[ocean ermine]

Or just f2p it

[fast sky]

how heavier is better than cobra

[rugged patrol]

Dogpile ensues pretty quickly

[ocean ermine]

I am sure yall have looked at strats that dont use nano

[stray star]

If only it were that simple…

[quick sphinx]

I appreciate your estimates of my patience but I am not that patient

[quick sphinx]

You mean the ones with plasma units and radio tech? 😆

[fast sky]

bigger number = more dmg than smaller number

[ocean ermine]

I may do it for the vid. May need to prebook an ICU

[stray star]

Main issue is I think people don’t want snake lite for BS2

[ocean ermine]

Nah

Too long

[fast sky]

also megas do more dmg to as body than vets

[ocean ermine]

Devs gatekeeping plasma from us

[stray star]

Did you ever look at the AP?

[fast sky]

so a r7 cobra is doing more dmg than r6 vets and megas

[ocean ermine]

Give me my plasmaaaaaa

[quick sphinx]

You have one vetless and snakeless? Without a win rate higher than 1%? Because that'd be a sight to behold

[fast sky]

yes im looking at a video of someone shooting their r7 cobra at AS body

and then their mega

and then their vet

[ocean ermine]

Yea

It is not fun

But it exists

[stray star]

Look at the AP of the cobra

[stray star]

Yeah it exists

Terrible strat though

[fast sky]

its calculated in because its in a video 💀

im not telling you the raw dmg

im telling you the vs AS dmg

[quick sphinx]

How on earth do you get the base HP damage from a video???

[ocean ermine]

Nuh uh, it is a terrible strat for the one using it. Great strats for the audience

[stray star]

It’s the HP + armor value

Armor is basically never shred on AS so any armor damage is irrelevant

[quick sphinx]

Yeah but Liam seems to think otherwise

[stray star]

Bro created a strat that’s fun to watch but torture to use

[ocean ermine]

When u are too bored and the cpu is just sitting there, dark thoughts creep in

[fast sky]

yes because Cobra does more dmg to AS with trash AP than megas and vets do

[stray star]

Yeah you can’t just use the raw number sadly

[quick sphinx]

What Hikari just said

Bro just math it out

It ain't that hard

[fast sky]

lol i dont need to math it out

[stray star]

Iirc
Vet 43 ish
Mega 44 ish
R9 Cobra 49.5

[fast sky]

im seeing the video with my eyes

[ocean ermine]

Simple ans is treb does like way more raw dmg but why is it not a main dps?

[quick sphinx]

What you see is the total damage not the HP damage dude

[ocean ermine]

Bc its AP sucks, so it has to eat through armor while the other ignores

[fast sky]

it dies fast as hell

i mean you can probably bring one

[ocean ermine]

Treb has to eat through 14300 eHP while vet and mega only need to work with 6800

[stray star]

Treb base damage value is 106 ish xd

[ocean ermine]

With enough AP, u can ignore the dmg to armor completely and just focus on dmg to body

[stray star]

Doesn’t matter when 70 of it goes to the armor, but the point stands

[fast sky]

also

not to mention snakes and cobras have a crit 25% compared to 5% for megas

[ocean ermine]

Where did Owl go?

[fast sky]

and since it does 3 hits per attack

[stray star]

Oh we accounted for that dw

[ocean ermine]

Owlllll we missed u

[quick sphinx]

Crit chance damage already calculated into my comparison

[quick sphinx]

I agree with you. What to say when I agree already?

[fast sky]

but also the og argument is that heaviers are better than cobras for dps

[stray star]

(Base damage x crit chance x 1.85 + base damage x non-crit chance) x 0.5 (ap) x 0.25 (AS res)

[blissful kernel]

We lost owl

[ocean ermine]

Who is doing calc without factoring in crit and dodge?

[ocean ermine]

No no i dont mean that one. U just went silent

[fast sky]

i have the dodge formula

but you cant have it

[stray star]

I do sometimes for 5% crit units if I get lazy

[quick sphinx]

Died and came back to life?

[fast sky]

[quick sphinx]

Pretty sure Max came up with the dodge formula 💀

[ocean ermine]

Are u a Phoenix now then 👀

[fast sky]

one does not simply come up with the dodge formula

it is given to him

[ocean ermine]

I appreciate the compliment but it was 🐔

[fast sky]

by a greater power

[stray star]

That testing was so pain

[ocean ermine]

I am too unc for that

[quick sphinx]

🤔 gonna upgrade my name when I get my Ranged frag

[quick sphinx]

Awh

[stray star]

Half of us gave up after like 1-2 days

[ocean ermine]

I verified the dodge by Chiken then tested the actual dodge value

[ocean ermine]

What is the plan 👀

[quick sphinx]

Can we swap chickens?

[stray star]

Nyo >:(

[ocean ermine]

Nuh uh

Cant change ur starting Pokemon

[blissful kernel]

So Chiken is a pokemon now

[quick sphinx]

Luck...

How else do I get a ranged frag but luck?

I HAVE BEEN STORING MY LUCK FOR THIS

0 boss drops let's go!

[kindred parcel]

Oh the number people are here

[fast sky]

but anyway @finite inlet said AS nerf and i trust this guy

he has a trustinf vibe about him

[kindred parcel]

What is better for AS, 1 B10C B II or 3 BC-1 Snakes?

[fast sky]

that wasnt the arguement

[quick sphinx]

The devs may come to that conclusion, but the numbers they use for it may not be entirely accurate

[fast sky]

the arguement is how to find the middle ground of balance with ease of access

[stray star]

3 snake probably, with 1 boar your cds are too long

[quick sphinx]

Will tell you once I get to my spreadsheet sometime tonight 😄

[kindred parcel]

Oh no I want you to hear it from others as well, the cobra is a sh*t unit especially since we just got the Snake

[ocean ermine]

spreadsheet-maxing

✍️

[quick sphinx]

Max mentioned

[kindred parcel]

Who needs a spreadsheet when you can just go in game

[fast sky]

oh well easier is more fun

[ocean ermine]

we got test acc diff there

[stray star]

Cobra vs snake is like heavy tank vs super tank

[ocean ermine]

while I coped with an anime version of AS in python, Wihvur gets to use the real one

[quick sphinx]

Idk I kinda enjoy the exercise in mathematics. A 100% win rate like the AC is not fun

[kindred parcel]

Does cobra even increase odds?

[stray star]

Without vets I genuinely don’t think so

[kindred parcel]

I think running heaviers is better at that point

[quick sphinx]

yours is animated? Wtf we are running on DOS here

[fast sky]

yeah but our math only applies to people that spent more than 50 bucks on the game

[stray star]

You’d need vets + heavier + (buffed) cobra and even then it’s probably similar to just vets + heaviers

[fast sky]

so if you want a challenge do it all with f2p units

[kindred parcel]

Time to convert it into a pokemonesque version

[ocean ermine]

probably with cobra is that AS body laser cooked it.

[fast sky]

i did it in java

[kindred parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-blue-game-boy-dot-diglett-staryu-gif-13461373300560125715

[finite inlet]

Are we factoring in the huge stun chance the AS body attacks have?

[ocean ermine]

u may even prefer vet in that case just so they live longer. Cobra does have a slightly higher dmg to body but not worth the worse survivability

can just make the unit an dtest

[quick sphinx]

I am

[stray star]

Of course

[kindred parcel]

Just get units immune to stun

[ocean ermine]

which sim does not factor that in 👀

[fast sky]

just tell ur leak to tell them to nerf it at this point

[ocean ermine]

or just forgot to add the immunity like I did

[stray star]

[ocean ermine]

LSW getting stunned for the first time in 10 years

[kindred parcel]

[quick sphinx]

Why tf are you simming LSWs 💀

[finite inlet]

You guys are so confident and I love it. But only time will tell what happens

[kindred parcel]

Max does the first LSW nerf in history

[ocean ermine]

bc a certain person wants to try mini tank vs AS

with LSW support

[kindred parcel]

[stray star]

We have two with LSWs

[kindred parcel]

Who’d do that

[ocean ermine]

AA turret vs AS vid when 👀

[quick sphinx]

The two can just do it themselves

[stray star]

I mean hey all the other sim stuff is done might as well sim LSW

[ocean ermine]

when u are free, dark thoughts creepin

[quick sphinx]

Meh. All the top guilds have ran thousands if not millions of battles against the AS already. Really no mystery left at this point

[kindred parcel]

Why make a sim and suffer when someone else has already suffered for you?

[ocean ermine]

I have killed enough gears and widgets in sim that I can never pay back

Hope Madrona the Debt Collector wont come for me

[blissful kernel]

Do more then

[kindred parcel]

But seriously Max

When is the Pokemon blue BN sim mod coming out?

[quick sphinx]

What kinda formations are you running with such low win rates that you can't earn it back?

[left thistle]

You forced Alex to follow the thread, INSANE! CRAZY!

[ocean ermine]

that is fake Alex 👀

[stray star]

I mean when you test mega tens of thousands of times you end up losing quite a few widgets

[kindred parcel]

Pinging some random Alex

[ocean ermine]

uhmm, there was one with 0.2% as a joke

[left thistle]

That Alex is a Mammoth supporter which is amusing

[stray star]

Now test 8 heaviers

[ocean ermine]

hell nah

[stray star]

See how low we can get

[blissful kernel]

It'll be fine

[ocean ermine]

fastest sim ever bc they all just die

[blissful kernel]

0.01%

[stray star]

Way lower than 0.01%

[ocean ermine]

but I did crank it to 10M once

[stray star]

Probably like 10 0s

[kindred parcel]

All veteran run

[ocean ermine]

to see if I can squeeze a win in

[kindred parcel]

That’s probably the lowest

[ocean ermine]

all vets is bad but not the worst

[kindred parcel]

Since you’d need insane luck to get all dodges

[stray star]

Nah vet isn’t the worst

[ocean ermine]

the planned f2p one is worse 💀

[quick sphinx]

Ofc

[ocean ermine]

the R1-only was already 1h vid

[quick sphinx]

Oh dear I need to rank a few troops if I want to try an F2P run

[ocean ermine]

the AS f2p will probably be 3 days

[fast sky]

help daddy out

[torpid relic]

I hope you know that you’ll never remove all the sentinel’s armor if you run all Heaviers, on account of the 75% AP they have, meaning you’ll need ~110 rounds to kill it. Unviable

[quick sphinx]

Oh the bright side, Xeo's 8 R2 Demoman AC kill took 4 hrs!

[kindred parcel]

Time to commission BNAP/Dinnee

[rugged patrol]

Nah you got the ragebait all to yourself

[fast sky]

daddy does what daddy wants

[ocean ermine]

infinite content glitch for AP

[quick sphinx]

No sane strategy strips the armor

[fast sky]

daddy gets what daddy wants

[stray star]

That number is wrong I’m pretty sure

[ocean ermine]

yea I checked that for fun too. No Bueno

[kindred parcel]

Watch me

[stray star]

53 turns for heaviers

[kindred parcel]

LSW survive long enough to strip armor

[stray star]

1,700/((165 x 0.05 x 1.85 + 165 x 0.95) x 0.75 x 0.25)

[quick sphinx]

You do not fall into the category of "sane" 😝

[stray star]

Snake gets close tbf xd

[ocean ermine]

LSW surprisingly has low AP

[quick sphinx]

NO CIGAR

[ocean ermine]

compensated by big number

[torpid relic]

I think that’s gonna be the strat, legitimately. My research suggests it should take ~38 rounds to kill with an armor strip strat utilizing snakes and trebs, assuming trebs survive to get 2 raptor harnesses off

[kindred parcel]

Exactly it always does strip armor at low ranks due to the low AP on viable attacks

[stray star]

I can promise you trebs aren’t run with snakes

It’s not worth stripping the armor with trebs because they die too fast

[ocean ermine]

at best u bring 1 treb to kill arms in 1t instead of 2

[kindred parcel]

At best you just bring a Radio Tech and shave off 2 turns

[torpid relic]

Radio tech would be ideal, for sure

[ocean ermine]

from the list of units we have, radio is minimum 5t

radio zaps the body for like 327. Best is R9 Snake at around 72 dmg

[quick sphinx]

Maybe the next BS should give us radio tech or blood ninjas. Or raider recruits

[stray star]

Why raider recruits xd

[quick sphinx]

Subs in for vets for the F2P peeps

[stray star]

Oh dear god

Gonna be like 2% wr because raider recruits do negative damage xd

[torpid relic]

pls not the raider recruit

[quick sphinx]

Not for DPS lol for tanking

[stray star]

Also I’d much rather they just add raider recruit to the game, please don’t make BS give bad but AS niche units like recruit or cobra xd

[stray star]

Vet is your main DPS if you only have heaviers

Recruit + heavier probably relies on heavier for DPS which would be really bad

[quick sphinx]

Guess they better throw in a few cobras as well

[stray star]

BS2 about to be the least played BS ever unless they add a good T10

[quick sphinx]

I mean... Have you seen OG BS1? 😆

[stray star]

Why did people even play that

[quick sphinx]

It was new and exciting for the first few minutes

[stray star]

Fair enough

[proud sail]

Cobra would be a disappointment tbh

Just from a variety perspective

immediately getting the reskin?

Lame

Especially when it's an extremely weak version of the unit

[devout mica]

There're a bunch of video of either dev test build or leaked build on youtube of them fighting the AS

You can see they even being legendary critter units in and still got their ass handed to them

[stray star]

…you mean the R2 legendary critters which are level 20 something?

Because R4/R5 legendary critters kills AS so easily it’s a pure joke

@kindred parcel You’re the one that knows most about this xd

[kindred parcel]

I’m clueless about all this

[stray star]

^

[kindred parcel]

Bruh

Sub level 50 units can’t beat the AS as easily of course they get their ass handed to them

[ebon hare]

[kindred parcel]

All those units while still very broken are scaled towards the level they are available at with that rank

[stray star]

Where did the “AS is an impossible boss” sentiment even come from xd

[ebon hare]

PSC made it up

[stray star]

Sure it’s basically impossible F2P, but legendary critters can’t even win??

[ebon hare]

we are # 1 at disinformation

[stray star]

Time to blame AP

[kindred parcel]

R4 LSW isn’t shown in the current build at all and same with r5 LBoar, they wipe the floor with the AS now that all functionality is back

[stray star]

Kicked from VV for misinformation

[ebon hare]

thats basically what we do

anything goes right = take credit
anything goes wrong = blame AP

[stray star]

Reallll

[devout mica]

They brought in r3 and failed, needed r4 to win lol

Barely at that

[stray star]

@kindred parcel Did you post the R2 win attempt?

[kindred parcel]

Yes

Idk what this person is on tbh

You’ve probably seen my quick and dirty test runs

[stray star]

I’m just as confused 😭

[devout mica]

I guess I saw the wrong one

[kindred parcel]

Where I had no intention of killing

https://youtu.be/QCOJWT4kauE?si=1gcZQ2vD6wYrY_Fh

This is the actual kill at level 28

Never recorded the level 40 one sadly

These are r2 LSW

[stray star]

R2 LSW

God this thing was broken

[devout mica]

Ah I only saw the one with the boar

Damn that rover is also crazy

[sage raft]

F2P players can kill AS without snake

[fast sky]

With

[sage raft]

Itll be in the boom bus AS guide video

#plug

so you gotta wait for that to come out

[ebon hare]

https://klipy.com/gifs/you-have-no-choice-but-to-trust-me-jean-luc-picard

[stray star]

That’s certainly one way of promoting BBR

[sage raft]

i take what i can get 😂

[fast sky]

[fast sky]

Dawg why are all the videos like 2 hours long

[quick sphinx]

I will maintain that the best F2P strat is to beg Madrona for a nerf

[sage raft]

they’re podcast style episodes?

[ocean ermine]

yap zone

[fast sky]

Put time stamps on them

[stray star]

Don’t add timestamps for higher viewer retention

[faint remnant]

If you give cobra snake level damage then maybe it’d be ok, as it stands you are giving ppl a stick in place of a gun.

It’d be an insult more than anything

And a very good insult too, you can expect ppl to get very angry

[stray star]

Not even, cobra is snake with heavily reduced damage, negative resistances (yes 6/8 of it’s resistances are above 100%), lower HP, way higher SP cost, and is locked at R7 until level 61

It’s genuinely worse in every single way except the 1st attack that nobody cares about

[proud sail]

And even then I’d argue the snake’s first attack is better…

[stray star]

Yeah horizontal > vertical usually

[kindred parcel]

You can add some of my footage to throw people off when looking for it while scrolling

[past portal]

Would AS nerf also mean AS frag nerf I wonder

[grave geyser]

I think this would be really funny

Great idea

[polar dust]

With what nano units?

And does that include snake?

[hushed estuary]

Probably mega tanks and cryo tank

[polar dust]

Having only a small %age of the player base be able to beat a boss just doesn’t make sense to me

[fast sky]

vets frontline

megas and one cryo 2nd line

if you have 4 snakes one in the middle line too

and then all snakes back line

[fast sky]

thats what these people want cuz everyone in their guilds can beat the AS

i mean everyone in mine can too but thats not good for the masses

[polar dust]

Yeah I mean I’ll prob lose interest in the game over time if I know I just have to wait 1-2 years for a specific unit to pop up in the bs

Also punishing players for being in smaller guilds with cool people is dumb.

The multiplier should be raised

[fast sky]

its shouldnt be proportional to 100 guilds but the gap can for sure be shrinked

[polar dust]

Interesting psychology experiment at play here though “it’s not enough that I should succeed but others should fail”

[fast sky]

because if it was proportional then you would have no need to reach 100 people

it might actually be better to stick with 5 or 10 really good players

so there needs to be a bonus for more people

but yeah the multplier could be raised somewhat

[polar dust]

But why is there a need to reach 100 people? I don’t think players should be forced into decisions of leaving their current guild they like or being forever unable to beat a boss

Maybe they start releasing some limited time units that enable clears or they nerf it

[fast sky]

you think if ur in a guild of 25 you should get 4X points, a guild of 50 you should get 2X and a guild of 100 you should get 1x?

[polar dust]

I think that is too extreme but the current bonus is immaterial

[fast sky]

yeah im saying like in a guild of 25 you get 3x points a guild of 50 like 1.4

so its good but it makes you wanna get more players still

like it shouldnt be proportional it should always make you wanna get to 100

[polar dust]

As with most things, there’s an equilibrium. I don’t think a 1.4x multiplier is equitable

[maiden lagoon]

Why would you want the cobra? Completely forgot this unit existed. And I doubt anyone will actually use it against the AS even if they don’t have snakes.

In terms of the AS, it’s supposed to be an endgame boss with endgame rewards. First time around we had to prepare and rank units and not be beating it right at level 50.

[polar dust]

End game <> perpetually screwed without specific bs unit

[grave geyser]

Legendary sandworm situation

It’s a bit of hyperbole but units which can defeat the AS do need to be available without spending lots of nanos

Which is basically the same thing as being in some T12 guild

Maybe if the next T7 reward is 1 snake

Or something like the boar

That being said you do get about 500 free nanos by level 50 so you do have options

[maiden lagoon]

This last boss strike was to solve this. They gave away snakes which would make it possible for f2p.

Which was awesome of them to do. So it’s not locked behind a paywall

[fast sky]

But they also didn’t give a lot of heads up for players not already in a discord guild

And as a result only around 40% of the player base even participated in boss strike

A even lower percentage of that got snakes at all

And a minuscule amount got 3 more or snakes

[grave geyser]

Only about 10 guilds got to T13

Maybe less

I’d say at least 50 got to T10

[fast sky]

But one snake isn’t enough for a F2P player to beat AS

I think 3 is the minimum to comfortably clear for a F2P

If you sub in vets and megas then you don’t need as many

[fast sky]

Around 56 guilds hit T10 so around 3500-4000 players have snakes out of the estimated 13000 boss strike participants

Which is another fraction of the main population

Probably like 20-30k total players

When you look at 2 snakes it gets cut down to 27 guilds I believe

3 snakes

Top 18

[maiden lagoon]

But is the goal to get all 13k-30k players killing the AS the moment it’s released?

I’m just comparing this to back in the day when it was first released, where beating the AS at level 50 was a crazy thought lol

[fast sky]

Yes but at the rate of them releasing units at today’s pace

Unless they’re doing an AS killer unit every boss strike

The disparity is about to become HUGE

[maiden lagoon]

Wouldn’t mind having the prizes being half decent from the strikes. So far it’s off to a good start.

[fast sky]

Problem is there’s like 5 good/decent units from BS like ever

[proud sail]

It’s possible they start running promo units starting with BS2 also

[fast sky]

And we already got 1 of them

[proud sail]

And many of the promo units were great for AS

[fast sky]

That doesnt solve the issue for F2P players though

[maiden lagoon]

But also a AS killer each strike might not be ideal. What’s left? There’s the boars then that’s pretty much it

[fast sky]

A game should be made to be able to be comfortably played without spending money

[proud sail]

yeah B10 Boar and Boar II are the only AS killers left in the roster

Thresher Tank can also contribute

[fast sky]

Rn a comfortable play style is like 50-150 dollars spent

[maiden lagoon]

Not when it was released. That was before all the broken stuff

[maiden lagoon]

Never used that tank against the AS. How did it do?

[fast sky]

It’s like a better brute

[maiden lagoon]

The brute is too fragile

[proud sail]

It’s a brute with ~Heavier durability

[fast sky]

Might be useful

[maiden lagoon]

Would be cool for the cold battles too

[fast sky]

Honestly I think if they buffed a tier 7 reward to specifically do heavy and only vehicle damage just for the AS

And since you get 3 of them

That might be the best option forward

That or nerf the AS which I heard they might be

[proud sail]

This plus a 70% crit rate over three hits

[maiden lagoon]

Hopefully they don’t also nerf the drops lol. Those were very fun to use

[grave geyser]

A F2P player can buy veterans and mega tanks thoughever

[fast sky]

If they planned like 30 levels ahead

[grave geyser]

Even though I agree with making the snake more accessible

[grave geyser]

You have a load of time to do that as F2P believe me

[maiden lagoon]

I’m currently doing a f2p run. Got 2 vets and can get 2 more if needed.

[proud sail]

I’m anti-nerfing the AS fragments’ stats but I think their repair costs need a nerf

[grave geyser]

I’m only level 34 and I started mid October

[fast sky]

Idk we will all see tomorrow

Ig

[maiden lagoon]

And we will all see everyone else get drops and double drops while we get nothing 🤣

[grave geyser]

The only compulsory purchases are 2 M10s so you should still have about 380 nanos and 2 vets are what? 150?

*390

[fast sky]

40 clears for AC

No drops

[grave geyser]

So depends if you fall for the ridiculous early game traps or not

[maiden lagoon]

The m10s were a must. Especially for the dreadnought

[grave geyser]

I know some player will have bought like 3 heavies and a gunner

[maiden lagoon]

Only trap that got me was the storage lol

[fast sky]

I cheaped out one 1 vault and bought 3 M10s and a heavy

When cap was 30

[grave geyser]

I’ve only bought one M10

I don’t care at all for the repeatable dreadnought, only planning for the Ancient Sentinel

[fast sky]

Well in the early days

You would get locked out of naval if you took too many losses

[maiden lagoon]

Still haven’t gotten an ironclad. Been beating it since it was released lol

[maiden lagoon]

The bar trap?

[fast sky]

Yeah

[maiden lagoon]

Heard quite a few people got stuck there

[fast sky]

Cuz it only way to get bars was from naval

[grave geyser]

But yes there do need to be options. I’m hoping for the boar next BS

[maiden lagoon]

Wish they would make air units viable for navel content

[fast sky]

lol I don’t know if boar is coming back in an unchanged state

[grave geyser]

The ironclad from my POV is only useful for grinding for more ironclads. And is therefore useless.

[fast sky]

And I think boar is more of a bs3 or 4 type of unit

But if they do that would be cool

[grave geyser]

The dreadnought rewards don’t outweigh the losses unlike the AC or AS

[maiden lagoon]

It’s a boss killer. So when they do expand the navy story then it’ll be great to have

[polar dust]

Horrendous argument, most of the player base isn’t even level 49 so how would they instantly beat the AS? Oh that’s right, they wouldn’t be able to. It’s not about beating it as soon as the update drops, it’s about beating it in 2026

[grave geyser]

More if than when

[fast sky]

It’s not even about when

[maiden lagoon]

So they got a lot of time to get ready for it.

[grave geyser]

In the OG BN it was people who had boars and people who did not, which was a problem, but the BS unit needs to actually be good

[fast sky]

It’s about there is almost no pathway for a F2P to do it

[maiden lagoon]

It’s not like there’s not gonna be more boss strikes and probably promo units coming later this year

Not to mention level cap increases

[fast sky]

But I don’t think main story line bosses should be boss strike dependent

To beat

That doesn’t make any sense

And also there’s like 4 AS killers from BS drops

So do they just keep recycling them?

[royal scarab]

Is the AS a story boss? I thought that it's just a field boss, like the AC.

[fast sky]

Its part of the ac story line

[maiden lagoon]

They really aren’t aside from the AS, but that’s also not a main story boss. It’s just a ruins that we visit each week to raid for gears lol

[fast sky]

But its main game content

[royal scarab]

There's an AC story line? Ngl I don't remember anything happening when I killed AC.

[maiden lagoon]

The Goliath tank for example. Is a main story boss

[fast sky]

You unlocked the AS

[grave geyser]

The only real solution here is to nerf the AC it seems

[fast sky]

When you killed the AC

[grave geyser]

*AS

[maiden lagoon]

It’s a couple dialogues that amount to nothing story wise

[fast sky]

with the one punching guy

And then later there’s like a golden AC

[royal scarab]

I don't remember that happening. Was there a bug that skipped the dialogue?

[fast sky]

Well it’s not in the game so that might be why

[maiden lagoon]

Maybe you got a little tap happy lol

[royal scarab]

Ah so it unlocks content that doesn't exist. No wonder I don't remember it.
I wouldn't call that a story line tbh.

[fast sky]

It would exist if you were level 50

[maiden lagoon]

But there’s some lead into the AC boss. The stuff surrounding the ancient civilization seems almost like a side quest rather than the main story.

[royal scarab]

Ngl making the first AC kill at lvl 50 is weird. Not impossible, but most people prob killed it by then.

[maiden lagoon]

Would be neat if they go more into that area

[maiden lagoon]

AC is doable once tks are unlocked

[fast sky]

They probably left it vague to add more stuff in

[royal scarab]

Exactly. So the usual experience is killing the AC, having the game and world not react to it, and suddenly there's a dialogue 20 levels later.

[fast sky]

I would consider Kraken DN AC AS Goliath Tank and Wasp queen

All to be story line bosses

[maiden lagoon]

Well those are all the repeatable bosses

[fast sky]

Yes

But they first appear as a mission boss

And then become repeatable

[royal scarab]

Kraken and DN are bosses with actual missions attached to them, both with lead up and (very) short epilogues.
Afaik Goliath is the same. No idea about the spiderwasp.

AC and AS (afaik) are nothing like that. Unless the golden AC is locked behind AS.

[grave geyser]

There is dialogue leading up to both

[fast sky]

When you first fight AC

Is it not a red icon

For mission

[grave geyser]

It is

[fast sky]

And clearly the game had more plans with the ancients story line

[maiden lagoon]

I’ve never saw the AC or AS as having any impact on the story, or really much other than a couple dialogues leading into it then nothing.

[royal scarab]

Yes and no.
Technically it's a mission, which is why killing it immediately spawns the identical repeatable version.

However it's a hidden mission with zero follow up. IIRC there's not even a post-fight dialogue. It's basically purely an implementation detail.

[fast sky]

Based on the vaults everywhere

There’s a vault in the ocean

Etc

Clearly AS isn’t the last one in the questline

[maiden lagoon]

That’s where the kraken came from

[fast sky]

Is it?

[maiden lagoon]

Yes

[fast sky]

Oh

Nvm then

[grave geyser]

The ancient stuff needs expanding on a lot once the game is restored

It’s debatably the most interesting lore

[fast sky]

Idk but there definitely more ancient lore

[royal scarab]

It's implied that the kraken is the contents of the vault, though it sounded more like speculation by the navy dude. They didn't even examine the insides of the vault. They just assumed and left.

[fast sky]

I think the original game might have had some time travel plot line

Planned

Probably linked to the ancient plot

[maiden lagoon]

The main story is cool and all. But I want more lore and backstory behind the ancient civilization lol

Also we still gotta find the uranium we set out for. Which gets lost in the story

[royal scarab]

Afaik that plotline gets resolved later. Kinda.

Turns out the outpost doesn't have any nuclear engineer/physicists. So we just have radioactive rocks.

[maiden lagoon]

Yeah I can’t remember lol

[fast sky]

Isn’t there like an old general ashe too

[royal scarab]

(spoilers for a lvl 63 mission)
"Resolution" of the uranium plot I mentioned @maiden lagoon

https://battlenations.miraheze.org/wiki/Level_61-65_missions#Get_the_Lead_Out

||So we don't know what Uranium is, or how to use it, but I feel like, you know, we've come this far… can we dig it up?||

||On the plus side, we've completed the mission we were sent here for, by a government that no longer exists to support an army that has been defeated in a war we've already lost.||
-Morgan

[royal scarab]

Present day general ashe more like. The man can't get any older than that for spoilers reasons.

||Unless that was a decoy ashe and he's playing us for fools||

[fast sky]

Idk man

We will see

[stray star]

Cobra genuinely is so garbage it doesn’t help people beat AS

If it was snake I doubt so many people would downvote

I don’t want cobra not because I want people not to beat AS, I don’t want cobra because it’s a terrible unit

I’d rather they just give out a unit that actually helps with AS like snake or boar rather than “Snake from Temu” that doesn’t benefit whales or F2Ps

[half crystal]

Cobra as next t3 maybe?

[quick sphinx]

Yes

[stray star]

At best it would be a T3

If you’ve seen the stats on this thing it’s really bad

[proud sail]

If we get SWs as BS2, Thresher Tank is a possibility and that thing stands a chance of being genuinely helpful

[stray star]

If you could R9 it it’s probably a heavier tank sidegrade

[quick sphinx]

It does come with the disadvantage of needing to be placed in the frontline, triggering Melee checkerboard attack. Probably will help but probably not as good as the snake

[stray star]

695 hp + armor though…

[stray star]

62.2 hp damage

Don’t even feel like that’s high enough to justify running it frontline ngl

Maybe it can help with arm killing to replace TK?

[quick sphinx]

I saw the pre crit figure 👀 Melee Arm can be worked around by changing up formations. I wouldn't say it replaces Heavier in function. More that it replaces snakes and TKs in function

[stray star]

I know about melee arm yeah

Just saying it’s too squishy

TK replacement is way more likely

Even still I don’t think it helps that much

[proud sail]

Yeah

[quick sphinx]

How do you define "that much". If it is 10-20%, that's pretty good no? A quick reload means you can run it a lot. High crit means easy resets

[stray star]

I don’t think it’ll be 10-20%

I would’ve thought like 3-5%

[proud sail]

The main thing I'm thinking of regarding Thresher Tank is that a pair of them at r9 have a ~10-15% chance of killing the Ranged Arm together plus they get to damage the main body at the same time

[stray star]

Yeah, really just depends on how fast they die

[proud sail]

Oh they are sizably squishier though

hmm

Does drop a thug which can stall by taking an extra punch, though...

[quick sphinx]

Over F2P????

[stray star]

Two threshers and the rest heaviers?

[quick sphinx]

Was thinking 3

[stray star]

It’s already awful I don’t think thresher saves it much

Also

3 threshers is probably T12

[quick sphinx]

Do y'all have the sim for Thresher already?

[stray star]

Nah

We simmed LSW and LB instead

[quick sphinx]

Cause I am pretty sure I can put together a decent winning formation in a few minutes

[quick sphinx]

Wihvur's influence no doubt

[stray star]

It’s just my own basic napkin math

[quick sphinx]

Not even a spreadsheet?

[stray star]

That’s a lot of work for a maybe

Also thresher is probably T10 and if you need 3 for the F2P formation it kinda doesn’t help

[quick sphinx]

T12 easy doable with 6 players and 14 alts 😄

[stray star]

Okay which F2P that can’t beat AS is scoring that high xd

If they’re that good they’ve probably beaten AS

[quick sphinx]

Fair enough but just saying T12 is quite achievable lol

[stray star]

For you and me yeah, but way harder for casual players

[carmine lintel]

Boss Strike rewards should reflect P2W units that way it balances out for F2P players. They should also reflect the resources invested into them. Not everyone is gonna be pumping hundreds of dollars into MegaTanks and Vets just to frag the AS. The same goes for all repeatable Bosses on the over-world, aside from AC, that pretty much require the need for nano units to beat.

[quick sphinx]

If you ain't got money you need to put in the sweat

[stray star]

And those are gonna be the ones struggling on AS

[stray star]

If you’re willing to put in the sweat you can just go beat AS F2P

[quick sphinx]

Thresher tank will make it much more doable trust

[stray star]

You think so?

I kinda doubt it with that specific strat

You have higher dps elsewhere and want tankiness, which definitely isn’t the thresher xd

[ocean ermine]

thresher will help

[stray star]

That’s surprising

[ocean ermine]

chain is around 62 dmg

[stray star]

In the F2P strat it’ll help?

[ocean ermine]

i dont count thresher as f2p

[stray star]

Oh lmao

Fair enough

[ocean ermine]

[stray star]

Yeah in mega vet strats it’ll help

[ocean ermine]

it exists and will help players clear AS

[quick sphinx]

What elsewhere? For F2P?

[ocean ermine]

will need to check for the details but too

[stray star]

Iykyk

[quick sphinx]

Oh god you are gonna put R1s on land and hack in radio tech

[stray star]

R1s? Nah clads is where it’s at :3

[ocean ermine]

but AS is a bit difficult atm for f2p, but wont be like that forever anyway

we have enough tools soon for it

[stray star]

Very painful tools but beatable xd

[ocean ermine]

such is the life of f2p

either u pay money for time or u spend the time

[stray star]

Flashbacks to iron/wood/stone/lumber farming instead of buying adv xd

[ocean ermine]

lvl 10 all morgans were fun

poor shock trooper

[quick sphinx]

I am cladless. Would never have thought of it

[quick sphinx]

Heck you you took all my clads

[proud sail]

This thread is way off topic atp

[stray star]

Good, please don’t bring us back to Cobra for AS 😭

[fast sky]

Make cobra a reskinned snake

And BRING IT BACK

FOR BS

Honestly just make snake T7 atp

[proud sail]

that would be a positive slap in the face to the guilds who grinded for it lmao

[quick sphinx]

👆

[fast sky]

I mean

Then reskin it to the cobra and everyone wins

Buff the cobra

Also it’s happened before when a T10 becomes T7

It’s quite common

Snake was actually supposed to be a T7

[proud sail]

It happened literally twice ever

[fast sky]

And maverick T10 💀

[proud sail]

the Maverick because of a community vote

and the Apex Colossus to make room for Apex Mauler

[fast sky]

Which actually did more harm than good if you think about it

Cuz if snake was T7

And everyone got 3

The AS is much more accessible for a greater portion of the community

[stray star]

Funny you think they’d give out 3 snakes for T7 xd

[fast sky]

They’re giving 3x whatever from now on

So

[proud sail]

We don't know that for certain

[fast sky]

It would be a weird thing to do a one off

[quick sphinx]

Might as well start giving out vets and megas at that if they are just handing out top level units for free...

[proud sail]

I mean like

I genuinely don't see why this is a problem

[stray star]

It was 3x dirigible and 3x mav because they were awful xd

Doubt it will ever be 3x snake if snake is T7

[proud sail]

"Only the people who have performed well get rewarded for it?! What is this?!"

Boss Strike exists as a challenge that gives out rewards

it's not a stimulus check to F2Ps

[fast sky]

I don’t care about the BS

[stray star]

People want rewards

[fast sky]

I care that like 85% of the players really can’t beat AS unless they spend money

[stray star]

3 different people have said it’s beatable F2P

[fast sky]

I have I have 4 snakes and I spent money

[quick sphinx]

Isn't the next patch supposed to be Prestige as well? Arctic trooper + heaviers + radio tech probably renders the problem mote anyways

[fast sky]

lol 3 whole people?

That’s a lot

[stray star]

Afaik no?

Prestige wasn’t confirmed

[proud sail]

that's an unsubstantiated rumor

[fast sky]

Didn’t the leaker literally say they’re nerfing AS cuz devs can’t beat it F2P

[stray star]

3 people who have been working on AS strats for a few months now yeah

[proud sail]

F2P AS is very possible

[fast sky]

Drop the formation

Without 3 snakes

[stray star]

It’s pretty painful but very winnable yeah

[proud sail]

Can't

[fast sky]

Why

[stray star]

Can’t sorry, we’re not leakers like GF

[proud sail]

Not gonna leak

[fast sky]

lol we hog Strats cuz we want a head up on the community

[proud sail]

Not my choice to make

[fast sky]

In a pve game btw

[stray star]

Why not make your own sim then and release it?

[fast sky]

lol it’s happening in the background

[stray star]

Good for you, feel free to release all your strats when it’s done

We’ll do our own thing

[fast sky]

lol then keep doing ur own thing and pipe out of the suggestion

[stray star]

I’m allowed to call a suggestion bad if I think it’s bad xd

[fast sky]

Bro has me blocked and then is in every suggestion I make

Just ignore it

[stray star]

Nah

[fast sky]

You literally have to manually click on my messages to read each one

[stray star]

I like chatting with Owl and Max and Pearl here about AS strats

Thresher tank convo earlier was pretty fun

[fast sky]

Just pretend like I don’t exist

[proud sail]

GoodFellas moment

[fast sky]

Blocked me over a cat gif btw lol

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meow-big-lips-gif-13233291

[stray star]

What other unit would be good for AS

[fast sky]

I mean I’m not the aggressor in this scenario am I

If I was I’d be doing the blocking

[stray star]

@quick sphinx Ever test gunship?

[fast sky]

Bros like one of my exes that keep blocking and unblocking me and then messaging me and then blocking me again

Gonna marry that woman someday

Love of my life

[blissful kernel]

It's very clearly pvpve

[fast sky]

Once it comes out in 1-3 years

[blissful kernel]

Pvpve already happened with boss strike

[fast sky]

That’s not PvP

[blissful kernel]

And PvP was said to be coming this year

That's PvP

[fast sky]

Pvp is like football

[blissful kernel]

You're competing against others

[fast sky]

BS is like bowling

There’s no player on player contact

[blissful kernel]

You're actively competing for who does better

[fast sky]

Competing is not PvP

[blissful kernel]

[fast sky]

Pvp is one player actively playing against another player

[blissful kernel]

When two people compete against each other it's called PvP

[fast sky]

Is speed running Minecraft PvP?

There’s a leaderboard for it

[wide trail]

im thinking about it

[blissful kernel]

Are you competing for first place? Yes

[stray star]

Isn’t the definition literally “player vs player?”

[fast sky]

Lmao what

[blissful kernel]

Correct

[fast sky]

So a single player game can be PvP

If it has a leaderboard

[stray star]

If you’re vsing for a better time it’s pvp then

[quick sphinx]

Tbh most of my theory crafting has focused around units that doesn't use T3 and T4s to heal so I didn't explore it that much. It seems snake-like

[blissful kernel]

Use funny blimp

Trust it's funny to play with

[fast sky]

Eleanor is that you?

[stray star]

Ngl

Never noticed it costs T3s xd

I kinda just assumed all BS units would cost close to nothing to heal

[fast sky]

A PvP (Player versus Player) game is a type of video game where human players compete directly against each other, rather than against computer-controlled enemies (PvE

Are we playing against people

Or ai

[quick sphinx]

It is easy to say you shouldn't hog strats when you aren't the one who have put in thousands of dollars worth of labor hours to theory craft and test this stuff

[wide trail]

god of goodfellas when he cant bestow a formation upon his cult:

[fast sky]

You probably shouldn’t do that on a mobile game or any game in general

[fast sky]

That’s more cult like than anything

[stray star]

It’s so fun though xd

[quick sphinx]

You say that to the two top whaling guilds in the game

[fast sky]

I mean

I don’t think bragging about a mobile game whaling is a flex

[quick sphinx]

I didn't say it is a flex. I said people are dedicated. Plus it is fun

[fast sky]

You do you champ

Hold on I’m texting and driving rn

[spark spruce]

"congrats you can curb stomp the computer good for you"

[blissful kernel]

Endangering others on the road argue in a suggestion is p bad

[barren flare]

the real thing is if you do it for fun, why are we gatekeeping fun from the rest of the community in a purely your own performance game? great way to grow the game

[fast sky]

But I’m in a tank

So it’s ok

[spark spruce]

i feel endangered by people thinking that comp-stomping is pvp, you can't fix low IQ

[fast sky]

If it hit a tree or two is whatever

[wide trail]

i feel like crashing a car is categorically different from getting a big number in a game

obviously getting a big number brings more harm to me

[quick sphinx]

So you shouldn't do it, but if you do it, I'd like to benefit from it for free?

Well winning is fun too. As is competition

[wide trail]

also hsc isnt gatekeeping itll be released with boom bus radio

god forbid we share after content arrives

[quick sphinx]

MM will likely as well

[rugged patrol]

Honestly then there’s no beef. You guys are ultimately right that you’re not required to share and we should work on doing our own work if we want it shared

Don’t let Liam rage bait you guys into thinking all GF likes to rage bait either

[barren flare]

you're just straight up misconstruing my argument here. If you are delving deep into the game because you're passionate, awesome, but what benefit do you have to not sharing to those with less time or passion for the game in a game revolving around how far you can push yourself. why are we actively sabotaging the rest of the playerbase that isn't as involved, especially new players to the game

[rugged patrol]

Though we do have Cikeu lol who’s a pro

[stray star]

Tbh I’ve always thought that I shouldn’t expect info from others, and if they don’t want to share with me it’s their own choice

[barren flare]

but again, you're not obligated to, and we all do appreciate sharing as a collaborative community

[wide trail]

there is a benefit to not sharing! there is a non-negligible body of players that wish to compete for first clear

[rugged patrol]

Yeah, and that makes sense to me. Temporary gatekeeping is way different from permanent

[sly grotto]

Sharing is caring ❤️

[barren flare]

yeah that's chill af, it's just the permanent gatekeeping of strategies that makes this game such a high barrier to entry to hurdle for people new to the game

[stray star]

Has there been any strat that’s been permanently gatekept?

I think all have been shared afaik

[rugged patrol]

I think most of us are in agreement with this

[wide trail]

^i think thats very different from whats being asked here

[stray star]

DN and Kraken strats were known almost immediately after 1st kill

[sage raft]

After the 1st AS kill is achieved, i will be dropping the full HSC formation guide on youtube

along with a fully F2P formation

[barren flare]

my goat bronny james

1/12 from 3

[rugged patrol]

Thank you Oolkki

[barren flare]

clannkkkkkk

[sage raft]

i should probably change my name back soon 😂

[barren flare]

anyways like message for wet meat slapping sound

[rugged patrol]

Also, Liam found a unit and thought it looked cool and viable based on vids he watched

That’s all this was

[fast sky]

Ok I did hit a tree

And it did a crunch

Like a toothpick snapping

[spark spruce]

HECK YEAH BROTHER

https://tenor.com/view/flexing-my-muscles-hulk-hogan-mr-mcmahon-showing-my-guns-showing-off-my-strength-gif-17093933950370519082

[fast sky]

My odds of hitting another human drifting a tank in the Alaskan wilderness is lower than the chance of a F2P player beating AS

[barren flare]

https://tenor.com/view/youtooz-big-chungus-spin-funny-gif-26470160

[quick sphinx]

You are right that first part was more appropriately addressed to Liam, but the second part still applies though. Competition is fun. I like outsmarting my competition and I even enjoy seeing how my competition outsmart me. How boring would this game be if the entire competitive side revolves around waiting for top guilds to release the strats and seeing who can follow it better to a T?

[rugged patrol]

Yeah this is a fair argument

[fast sky]

lol idc that you guys won’t share it

[quick sphinx]

Not to mention, HSC already said they will release their strat and MM will probably put out something as well. Even if we only put out a fraction of what we have, it will likely be a dozen times better than anything anyone else has released

[rugged patrol]

Like was said the big bad is permanent gatekeeping not temporary

[maiden lagoon]

We just had a strike with the unit. Let’s have more variety instead of bringing back the same units each strike.

As for the cobra i really dislike how Z2 made worse versions of useful boss strike units.

[fast sky]

It’s the I have it but I won’t share it altitude

Like not you

But I feel like someone else like the attention of doing that

[barren flare]

i think the other point where we were lost here is that f2p atm feels very very unachievable for AS, and my reason for looking for snake to be t3 or 7 is that it provides another avenue for f2p players not in a good guild/didn't achieve t10/11 to have an option atm for AS

[fast sky]

It’s like if you have it and don’t wanna share it then don’t even talk about it

[sage raft]

there are also formations with 0, 1, 2, 3 and 4 snakes in them for every guild level

[stray star]

The F2P strat will be released for sure

[sage raft]

like we literally covered every base

[quick sphinx]

Idc that you don't share it but I care that your attitude is you won't share it... What?

[rugged patrol]

Amazing I’m excited for that

[barren flare]

involve nano units or no?

[sage raft]

Vet

[stray star]

There’s one fully F2P, no snake no vet no mega

[quick sphinx]

I enjoy talking to Hikari and Max about it. Are you really gonna get on my back about that?

[sage raft]

there are vet-less formations

[stray star]

Rest use vets

[barren flare]

yeah i mean imo shouldn't need to buy nano units to have a solid chance at clearing

[fast sky]

Yeah it’s like how little kids when they get candy

[rugged patrol]

I think he’s saying that the people who like nag about it as a way to feel superior

[fast sky]

And the tell the other little kids that don’t have candy

That they have candy

[rugged patrol]

Discussing it isn’t a big deal

[sage raft]

ehh, dread at 40 was no different. It’s not talked about now because R1s are viable at 46+

[fast sky]

They do it for the attention

[quick sphinx]

How are we doing that? We are just saying it is possible. Then Liam made it personal

[sage raft]

as time goes on the boss will get easier and easier to clear

[ocean ermine]

Or u can put in the works to get the candy?

[rugged patrol]

That’s why he said “not you”

[barren flare]

that's fair, but clad isn't as game warping as AS frags

[ocean ermine]

There is no such things as a free lunch

[rugged patrol]

^

[fast sky]

No it’s not about that it’s about dangling it in front of other people for attention

[sage raft]

even so frags aren’t changing guild tiers as a whole

[barren flare]

it's a pretty huge bump in power level to your account

[fast sky]

Like we get it lol

[sage raft]

individually yeah

[barren flare]

like it really opens the gap between p2w and f2p if f2p doesn't have a viable clear

[sage raft]

nobody is bragging about anything

[quick sphinx]

It was relevant to the convo bro. It isn't like we said it out of nowhere

[fast sky]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-omni-man-are-you-sure-are-you-sure-invincible-gif-3935116808772397515

[fast sky]

It happens like 30 times a day everywhere bro

Also I’m not talking about you

For the millionth time

[barren flare]

so like atm not accounting for nerfs to AS, i think that some type of BS unit at t3 or 7 to help with AS clear is a very solid solution to give f2p players an avenue to AS

[stray star]

Doesn’t… that just result in the same issue where if you miss a BS you miss your chance?

I’d rather they add a permanent F2P unit good for AS

[quick sphinx]

Even if you are talking about Hikari, Max, or Oolkki, I will defend them too

[barren flare]

yes but the gap to clear is much lower, not need to hit t10

[rugged patrol]

Yea this is a fair too

[stray star]

And the 2nd issue is that cobra itself isn’t good for AS

[barren flare]

i think they just bring snake back

[stray star]

I’d expect 90% of the downvotes to be because cobra is such a bad unit

[quick sphinx]

If radio tech releases soon, would this still be a conversation?

[sage raft]

T10 is easy though, if you DONT hit T10 i genuinely think you should have a tougher time clearing AS

[stray star]

And people don’t want it back xd

[barren flare]

tougher is fine, it's like near unfathomable imo, and like a solid 70% of the player base didn't hit t10

[rugged patrol]

Prolly not lol

[stray star]

Remember also that cobra is also locked at R7 until level 60

It’s not uncapped at 51 like snake

[sage raft]

theyll just have to work harder to get the kill. it’s still possible for them to do it

F2P has always had this disadvantage

[rugged patrol]

Honestly I just want an airport

[quick sphinx]

Yeah I am pretty sure the solution is not a BS unit but to just release the radio tech

[wide trail]

While we’re at it let’s make bs3 contain a new helicopter called the mamba

[barren flare]

imo that's a problem, but a broader more systemic problem with the game

[quick sphinx]

Pfp checks out lol

[wide trail]

Every boss strike will have a helicopter

[stray star]

Way more than just possible tbh

[barren flare]

like f2p shouldn't have to be this optimized to sniff viability

[stray star]

Pretty doable

[sage raft]

it’s a f2p mobile game with micro transactions lol

[rugged patrol]

Ooohhh that sounds cool

[fierce basin]

https://tenor.com/view/what-happened-huh-wdym-what-do-you-mean-deadpool-gif-1710621234567938104

[rugged patrol]

Except that’s actually bad bc of events……..

[sage raft]

the strat for F2P even without radio tech is VERY doable

[rugged patrol]

Kobe RIP

A helicopter called the mamba 💀

[spark spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/kobe-bryant-kobe-legendary-gif-26049590

[barren flare]

bruh what

[spark spruce]

gotta be PG, no cursing

[barren flare]

i believe but it just extends beyond this issue, the bar for f2p is just so high in terms of effort, but if that's the case then awesome

[sage raft]

it’s the type of game we’re playing

unfortunately F2P players don’t keep the servers open for madrona

[barren flare]

yes but we don't have to stay like that type of game

[gaunt vale]

[rugged patrol]

The issue is revenue

[gaunt vale]

Liam move like this alien and ill drop as strats

[rugged patrol]

Gotta break even somehow

[stray star]

Ehhhh is it so high? Other than like storage and rss, the fights don’t feel insanely hard F2P

[rugged patrol]

Hopefully sooner than later

[sage raft]

i’m being realistic, hoping for a F2P and P2W balanced game is an illusion

[barren flare]

that's just piss poor mentailty tho, if you increase the playerbase the better, whales can't live without other players and they aren't infinite revenue

[stray star]

Storage and rss are awful for F2P, but the fights themselves feel fine tbh

[fierce basin]

Not having nano units for BS, even without firemod is rough

[sage raft]

F2P players are not disadvantaged enough to get them to leave. F2P can compete at the highest level if they choose, or they can stick to a more casual mindset and still succeed.

the game is not pay to win

[stray star]

BS is a whole other story, but outside of BS the fights feel fine

[sage raft]

it’s pay for convenience

[stray star]

Tbh BS should just be reworked xd

[gaunt vale]

Madrona make it more pay to win

[barren flare]

i straight up disagree with this statement

[sage raft]

do I plug my suggestion?

[lavish pumice]

Are people angry we spend time on AS strategies

Sorry

[stray star]

Yes do it

[stray star]

Where’s the death to MM and death to HSC cat pictures xd

[gaunt vale]

Hikari what is that blue thing? Is it a rabbit?

[fierce basin]

Yeah well if you either need BS unit rewards and/or premium units to fight an in game boss that's part of the main story......

[stray star]

You genuinely don’t

[lavish pumice]

Fr death to anyone who does any theorycrafting whatsoever

[sage raft]

https://discord.com/channels/463817609130016788/1440468675420491846 my suggestion for a BS rework

[steep sparrow]

No they are angry we didnt give them to them on a silver platter

[stray star]

It’s completely doable 100% with 0 BS 0 nano units

[gaunt vale]

The cats name is zazu

https://tenor.com/view/zazucat-openingmounth-gif-15473176046473294726

[lavish pumice]

Oh good point yes they deserve

[rugged patrol]

I mean tbf most of us were fine as kids f2p

[sage raft]

^^

and still are today

[lavish pumice]

We’ve got people in Mm and KRM who will kill AS 100% f2p

[sage raft]

F2P just means you have to play optimally -> IF you want to play at the highest level. If you choose to be casual, you can play however you like and still succeed

[fierce basin]

If thats the case why are some of yall mammoth tier if the game is completely fine F2P

[barren flare]

coming from f2p i'm not saying we can't

[steep sparrow]

I am spending money mostly bc i want to have EVERY unit

And play around with them

[sage raft]

what even is this argument LMAO

[stray star]

We have a challenge to do it in HSC, quite a few will probably xd

[golden lantern]

Day 1 no snake f2p kill

[stray star]

[ocean ermine]

Almost 1k msg

[sage raft]

10 trooper

[ocean ermine]

Lets go everyone

[lavish pumice]

Is your definition just no nanos? We’ve got people who just don’t spend & used limited nanos on vets who will be

[stray star]

Good luck to whoever tries that

[stray star]

No nano units and no snake

[fast sky]

Pause that thought I lost service

[sage raft]

no nano units

[stray star]

So no vet or mega or snake

[lavish pumice]

That’ll be a cool accomplishment

[steep sparrow]

Depends on how far the lvl goes tbh

[ocean ermine]

Gotta wait a bit but doable in the close future

[barren flare]

the effort gap between being casual and even semi competetive is a bit ridiculous in the game, the problem isn't p2w shouldn't be stronger, it's that f2p has such a rigid gameplay formula for nano spending and options

[maiden lagoon]

Then what do you even spend nanos on?

[lavish pumice]

Ooh no snake either that’s a feat

[sage raft]

no that’s only for the F2P AS kill

[broken hill]

i want the cobra back for t10 my guild didnt make it to t10 and i want more oppurtunities to get it

[stray star]

Whatever you want really

[sage raft]

the cobra is terrible, i promise you do NOT want it😭

[stray star]

Trust me you don’t want the cobra, it’s snake but 3x worse 😭

[sage raft]

if you want to play in a T14+ guild

[lavish pumice]

Guys mm and HSC should share their strats so there’s no incentive to join them

[broken hill]

why is it worse its the same unit is it not it looks the same

[lavish pumice]

Duh

[stray star]

[steep sparrow]

The stats are like 1/3rd of the snake

[stray star]

It’s not the same unit

[sage raft]

no other level of play needs F2P to min max nanod

[barren flare]

no not really tbh, the gap is really bad

[maiden lagoon]

Cobra is a nerfed version of the snake

[lavish pumice]

You don’t need 5 snakes to kill 😃😃😃😃😃

[broken hill]

it just looks the same but with new color

[fast sky]

Ok I’m back

[sage raft]

considering HSC has F2Ps in both our casual and competitive guilds, no it’s not

[fast sky]

Where’s the argument at now