New Kind of Boss Strike

[vast loom]

Sorry if this isn’t that Coherent just got off a flight and got nothing better to do while waiting anyways onto the idea.

So we all know Battle nations has issues with Nano units tending to become useless a couple levels after they are gained or completely out classed(Super Tank Ho!) So the idea is to eventually have strikes designed around units gained at certain levels. So for example the boss strike is based upon units gained from level 20-30 this means only these units could be used in the strike.
Now I intentionally worded it this way because lets be real the TF2 Units would obliterate everything so I intentionally didn’t include them. Im more than willing to elaborate but its a interesting thought experiment to give these lower tier units some longevity in our current age of Super/Mega Tank and Vets

[carmine flower]

Terrible idea, player should use whatever units they want or enjoy using and not limited or restricted at all.

[hollow hornet]

i like this idea, alot of card games have simular formats where drafts are locked to a single set

i dont think this idea will be very popular with the general playerbase tho. theres just not enough units per lvl block

[vale sandal]

Like the idea, but I feel like this would just be more frustrating than anything

[hollow hornet]

even less so if ur f2p

[vale sandal]

Infantry only BS was insanely unpopular for a reason, people hate unit restrictions

[hollow hornet]

i think no unit restrictions is limited in its own way tbh

[vale sandal]

Because of meta?

[hollow hornet]

theres a lot of unused units in this game

yes

[vale sandal]

Forcing bad units just sounds frustrating though

Imagine you were forced to deal with constant ranger greys

[hollow hornet]

the point of a new format is to bring unused units to the forefront

[vale sandal]

Buff the unused units not force people to use them

[hollow hornet]

theres too many units for tht

[vale sandal]

Forcing formats just lead to frustration

[hollow hornet]

theres always going to be smth worse than smth else

[vale sandal]

Well yeah but in open format you can pick whatever

And it’s not like bad units have a lot of fans anyways

[hollow hornet]

and theyll suck yea

[vale sandal]

A lot of people hate using ranger, forcing that just means people won’t play that format

[hollow hornet]

im fine with ranger

[vale sandal]

Or you lead to an event where people hate every minute of it but are forced to play for rewards

I mean

[hollow hornet]

theres some traditionally bad units tht i like alot

[vale sandal]

It’s like forcing you to use firedrake rn

[hollow hornet]

but ill never use them in bs

[vale sandal]

Firedrake + jugg + tempest vs normal BS

[hollow hornet]

honestly a jugg frontline for bs would b baller

[vale sandal]

Every wave takes 4 minutes because you have 0 dps

I would not touch that gamemode with a ten foot pole unless it gave like boars or frags xd

[hollow hornet]

the assumption is tht the bs will be balanced for the block if units given

[vale sandal]

Still doesn’t sound fun

Forced to use ranger/tempest for damage

[hollow hornet]

i think it adds variety

[bleak jewel]

This is the worst thing ever, might as well skip BS

[hollow hornet]

but the blocks are too small

[vale sandal]

Yeah same

I would not play that unless they made rewards insane, then I’d play it and hate every minute xd

It sounds worse than wimp spam for 10h

[hollow hornet]

if u used tempest vs a bs of lv 13 young boars it wouldnt be as bad

[bleak jewel]

A BS of lvl 13 young boars.....

Nah

[vale sandal]

It also doesn’t sound fun

[bleak jewel]

Yeah

[hollow hornet]

personally ive always enjoyed limited formats

[hollow hornet]

not just tht ofc

[vale sandal]

I mean the first step is infantry only BS

And it’s shown to be extremely disliked

If infantry only isn’t even liked, forcing level 20 units would be way worse

At least infantry only you have wimp and pk and vet

[hollow hornet]

im aware tht a lot of ppl would dislike it

thts why i mentioned it in my original comment

but i personally am open to it

bc ive played limited formats in other games

[vale sandal]

They need to make it a sidemode to BS if they want to do this idea

You can play normally or play limited format for similar points

[hollow hornet]

im fine with tht

but it probably wont be balanced

[vale sandal]

Forcing it on the entire playerbase is a horrible idea though, it’ll cause way too much frustration

[hollow hornet]

theres always going to be a better version if theres two parrallel bs

thtll only be figured out once players have chosen their mode

[vale sandal]

I’d rather it be a bit worse than normal just to reduce frustration

If they make it better the frustration will also be high

[hollow hornet]

thts just bias

[vale sandal]

Why?

[hollow hornet]

bc ur proposing tht they purposefully make one mode worse than the other

just bc balancijg both would be impossible

[vale sandal]

They make the one that’s more frustrating worse yeah

Because if the more frustrating one is better it becomes meta and forced

That’s the problem

[hollow hornet]

i dont think eithers more frustrating

id be fine with either

[vale sandal]

Jason, believe me when I say this that you’re in the massive minority of this opinion

[hollow hornet]

ive also been in the majority on other issues

[vale sandal]

It’s like if they made a gamemode where bio grenadier was the only usable unit

[hollow hornet]

its all the same

[vale sandal]

Ruky and I wouldn’t care, but you’d probably hate it

[hollow hornet]

?

[vale sandal]

Bio grenadier only Boss strike

The only unit you can use is bio grenadier

[hollow hornet]

ik wht ur saying

thts a strawman

and not wht im arguing for

[vale sandal]

Not really, it’s forcing people to use units they don’t like

It’s why I brought it up

[bleak jewel]

^

[hollow hornet]

its unit blocks

[vale sandal]

Most people don’t like level 20 units, and being forced to use them would be frustrating

[hollow hornet]

not single units

[bleak jewel]

I rather be able to use my entire arsenal, than be limited

[vale sandal]

Idc about unit blocks, I don’t want to use ranger or tempest or scout bike

[hollow hornet]

and for ppl who dont like the late game units?

[vale sandal]

There’s a much bigger majority that like later game units, that’s the problem

You have to account for the playerbase too

[hollow hornet]

ur right on tht

[vale sandal]

At the end of the day, player enjoyment is everything

[hollow hornet]

i think so too

[vale sandal]

I think a late game unit only BS would be frustrating too

Like PArty only

[bleak jewel]

This would be horrendous as well

[hollow hornet]

and i do think tht most ppl wont like this idea

[vale sandal]

I just don’t like forced limited formats

[autumn moth]

[hollow hornet]

but im personally ok with it

[bleak jewel]

Yeah anything limiting is not fun

[hollow hornet]

theres games tht do it right

[vale sandal]

The problem is what if it’s limited to units you don’t like

[hollow hornet]

esp those with alotta content

[vale sandal]

That’s why I brought up bio

[autumn moth]

maybe some modifiers where a unit is disabled but not a ton

[vale sandal]

Would you still like it if you were forced to use only units you disliked or hated?

[bleak jewel]

BN is still building up it's game, maybe if you really want when we get everything back, but I personally would not like it

[hollow hornet]

i like this but it'll only affect the bs if its smth ppl would use

[autumn moth]

bs with only trooper

[bleak jewel]

Lobo consider me getting 0

[vale sandal]

Trooper is better than tempest and ranger xd

[autumn moth]

nuh uh

[hollow hornet]

tbh i think a low level bs would b neat

[vale sandal]

Wasn’t this just infantry only BS and nobody liked it? xd

[hollow hornet]

troopers, shock troops, dragoons

[autumn moth]

[vale sandal]

I mean you can make an alt for that

No need to force everyone to do it

[hollow hornet]

eh

plus isnt there a lvl restriction on bs?

[autumn moth]

i think u can start at like 10

or was it 12

[vale sandal]

No earlier

6 I think

[autumn moth]

[hollow hornet]

and arsonists still wouldnt be viable

[bleak jewel]

Arsonists are just bad

[vale sandal]

There’s a level 1-10 BS formations

So definitely possible before level 10

[vale sandal]

That’s the arsonist’s problem xd

[hollow hornet]

i wodner wht the sw formstions look like

[autumn moth]

10 ak47 users

[vale sandal]

You weren’t winning to say the least

[autumn moth]

+3 leaf blowers

check my suggestion

[vale sandal]

Level 5 pickup did 32-39 x 3

gg

[bleak jewel]

This just kills every unit does it?

[vale sandal]

Yeah

Other than maybe if shock trooper dodges

[autumn moth]

1 JO is enough to win trust

[bleak jewel]

I forgot you r6d your jo

[autumn moth]

peak unit

trust

itll give me a lot of points

[bleak jewel]

Style points yes, bs points uhm gl with that

[autumn moth]

your just a doubter

[bleak jewel]

Yes I am, I have doubts and usually rightfully so

[autumn moth]

be a dreamer

[hollow hornet]

100 hp cruel bus 💀

[bleak jewel]

No thank yoy

[autumn moth]

they have snipers?

gimme em

[bleak jewel]

Yeah their sniper have stun apparently

[hollow hornet]

always have

[vale sandal]

The sniper does 13-17 for some reason

[autumn moth]

why

😭

[vale sandal]

No clue

The pickup is exponentially stronger than everything else for some reason

[hollow hornet]

honestly even if the low lvl pickup was nerfed

itd still be brutal for new players

[bleak jewel]

Pickup is literally sws burst unit

[hollow hornet]

like imagine tryna take down a 100hp cruel bus with armor with ur 12 starting troopers

[bleak jewel]

Yeah that would be horrid

[hollow hornet]

if i had to go thru tht, im expecting a frag