#No limit on Infected Units in battle

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faint oyster
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In Og battle nations, on the wiki it says that there is an infected unit limit on the battlefield of** only 4** and it had me thinking, especially after checking each infected's stats.

Why is that the case?

I don't think any infected units (Outside of maybe the Apex ones) are that particularly strong? The strongest (A Colossus) is essentially just a weaker level 6 wimp? Why not let those who are lucky enough to have more than 3 spam 4-5-6 etc of them? It would make them a bit more viable!

Plus it can also lead to more fun battles! If someone wants to send the hoard of the "dead" upon Gantas's base and give his people crippling ptsd of the walking infected, then let them damn it!

Maybe a limit can be put in place for only 3 apex units when they eventually get added, but the power of Apex units shouldn't hold back other units (Especially when you can spam other much stronger units like Supers and Vets/Mega's when we get them)

What do you guys think?

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unreal girder
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I think limit of 3 infected units was fine as is. Granted, if I was to do silly PvP with friends I’d likely want the limit to be removed.
The idea of fighting or seeing “the meta” of 3 R6 Wimps and 4 Colossus sounds annoying AF IMO.

faint oyster
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They aren't THAT tough, plus they do die quite easily under fire attacks. Also you can always up their PVP Unit value.
Not to mention what you just said ... can happen anyway already.

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Throw in a couple salamanders and you'll burn them good before they get a good hit in.

manic egret
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I never remember the limit existing, personally. But I am all for it. The Infected provide nothing that is abnormally strong, they aren't abnormal, they don't regen health, they are just unique in apperance. And who doesn't love Halloween?
-# If you hate Halloween I cannot guarantee your safety.

This is besides the fact many units have unique damage against Infected such as the Civilian Lumberjack. So I say, why not. It's not like Infected have any uniqueness to have reason behind the decision.

spark fable
faint oyster
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Maulers are pretty tough, but they do have no armor and that fire weakness so I wouldnt hate fighting like 5 of them if I had a fire unit or 2.

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Also true, more infected critters would be cool

spark fable
small ravine
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Colossus hits way weaker then wimps. Maulers are strong enough that you could argue a unit limit for, but certainly not for other infected.

spark fable
quiet kite
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Even if the Colossus and Mauler are the reason for it, just give them a unit limit instead of putting a limit on infected as a whole

faint oyster
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Yeah sure do that. But even still I think it'll be overkill.

A mauler is strong, but I wouldn't say its overpowered.
But yeah, a creeper or a bullfrog should not be on the same catogory as a colossus def.

faint oyster
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This is now more relevant than ever!

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GIVE US MORE INFECTED!

cursive citrus
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What is the point of a zombie horde if you can't mass zombies, gotta do something with all these bad roll creepers

faint oyster
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^
This!

fossil saddle
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Most of them arent really strong enough to warrant it

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especially compared to most of the late game monsters

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Why we gotta limit creepers?

faint oyster
subtle mesa
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Liz want more zombies

subtle mesa
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Messaging to put this too the top (PLZ MADONNA I BEG)

faint oyster
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Over 40 thumbs up yay

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LETS GET THIS TO 50!

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Please it would be cool to run an army of zombies 🙏🙏🙏

lime geode
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Tacking on to this. There should be a military defense building that lets us store our infected in to defend our base (I think a crypt / graveyard would be perfect)

celest veldt
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Yea tbh only really the colossus is really strong (and it’s just a defensive wimp with armor, still really good but nothing cracked)

faint oyster
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Also Over 50 thumbs up

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LETS HIT 60!!!!!

faint oyster
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YAY 60! Lets keep pushing for the big 7 0

dim pine
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Yeah, the limit on infected units is kinda iffy. Just do a 3 unit limit on the archetypes and colossus like the wimp.

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For clarification: 3 unit level for each, not combined.

faint oyster
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We hit 70! yay

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Technically 69 cause there’s one thumbs down

faint oyster
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technically 76

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Dangalang

faint oyster
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And now 80

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I do think if this gets like 100 this would generally have a GOOD shot at being done.

And I don't think this would be that much work to implement? Definably easier than the other highly rated suggestions.
So lets GET IT TO THAT HUNDRED!

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It’s gotta be easier

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It’s removing something not adding

faint oyster
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yeh def

tribal kelp
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the reasoning is prob that infected units are very strong at early levels

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think it should stay at 3

hybrid hamlet
# tribal kelp think it should stay at 3

This is rage bait, the solution is simple make it a level requirement to get adv/arch shredders those are the only infected you can get early game that are strong

plain adder
plain adder
hybrid hamlet
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8demonen r2 kill the Ac

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I'll like to see the infected do that

small ravine
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removing infected limit still preserves balance

quiet kite
small ravine
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except for maulers, those are very strong

hybrid hamlet
plain adder
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I’m holding off on AC until I get more TKs

faint oyster
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ooh over 90 Lets get to 100 COME ON LADS

faint oyster
crude summit
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bump

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3 more thumbs up and we break 100

faint oyster
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We have hit one hundred!.

Think this has hit like top 5 in most thumbed up suggestions

quiet kite
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I didn't scroll thorugh the whole list, but I found 17 with over 100 thumbs up, so it'd be 18th at least

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there's quite a few older suggestions with a lot of thumbs up

crystal mortar
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Yeah the infected limit is super annoying. It does make sense for super early game, but once you are mid endgame it's entirely pointless to restrict them at all. This goes for a lot of units. I think for every deploy limited unit the deploy limit should be removed once you get 10-20 levels over the unlock requirements of said unit

late narwhal
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I mean

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The only deploy limits are Infected, Defenses, and Wimps unless I’m forgetting something

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And the three Wimp limit is extremely justified lol

quiet kite
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Monster Groupers as well

crystal mortar
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Yeah there's a bunch of random weird stuff that is deploy limited

faint oyster
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giving this a lil bump because why not

crystal mortar
faint oyster
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Not long left in October, might not have much relevance soon enough.

pearl gale
celest veldt
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I mean the units arent going away

quiet kite
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There is a limit on how many can be used in a battle (4) that’s what the suggestion is about

celest veldt
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well yea, that's why I meant the suggestion still is relevant

quiet kite
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I misunderstood what you were saying then

brisk crater
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Infected units have a bravery rating of 500 across all of them

slate quartz
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infected have a few advantages most units don’t have

faint oyster
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And also that lovely 125% fire damage

pearl gale
slate quartz
brisk crater
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Bravery is the stat used to calculate suppression

slate quartz
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yeah

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a unit gets suppressed when it takes damage, damage gets modified based on the suppression modifier each attack is different, if that number is higher than your bravery you become suppressed

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infected have 500 bravery which means they have to take 500 damage in a single instance of damage to be suppressed

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and by then they are dead anyway

faint oyster
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Just scrolled down in the suggestions chat. And I think this suggestion is the 7th most thumbs upped!

Yippee.

Lets get to 150!

faint oyster
faint oyster
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woah when did we almost get to 180 lol.

Sure!

Train up those cannoneers and colossus's for the boss strike!

And prepare for maulers!

crystal mortar
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really want this change soon. we will get level 56 and I want to use maulers with other infected. maulers being a frontline makes this limit really annoying

faint oyster
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I agree!

Also the Bullfrogs were ACTUALLY useful for once during the boss strike!

pearl gale
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Bullfrogs need a buff but yes

fossil saddle
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I suppose that's where the apex frog comes in

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Was he the t3 or t7 reward

fossil saddle
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T3

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Two hundred and seventeen bomboclaat thumbs up 😲

crystal mortar
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Yeah I really hope we see this qol for next update with maulers

faint oyster
faint oyster
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230? Woah mama

manic egret
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I wish to send a horde of Creepers to their inevitable demise.

surreal atlas
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Que garbage disposal unit from darktide

faint oyster
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Now we got Maulers!

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Question for you all.

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Yes

faint oyster
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Should Maulers be limited to just 4?

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🧐

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Good question

hushed quartz
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Mauler is a 5 turn cycle so you can use any other unit in that 1 turn and then you have 4 mauler attacks again

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The 4 limit doesn’t really do too much imo

faint oyster
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thaz what I'm saying

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Let the people Mauler to their hearts content!

zealous lichen
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Ok 2 infected limit it is

faint oyster
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WHAAAT

rancid bane
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this sht got upped again 1 hr ago

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<@&563545790119673857> can u guys see who did it

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phantom suggestion upper

hardy jackal
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its always same ppl bumping posts already with hundreds reactions and comments and nothing to add, devs seen these already it is just pointless farming reactions. Now they also spam the same posts with “day X of asking madrona” every day plz do something about it <@&563545790119673857>

rancid bane
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ye it is u, lmao

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tf is this

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😭

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bro's not slick

gusty pollen
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As said in the timeout message, you have been asked to stop by multiple users. Please stop. If you really feel the need to bump a post that has been dead for several days and has (by and large) devolved into joking, at least leave a comment about why you feel the need to do so.

manic egret
# gusty pollen As said in the timeout message, you have been asked to stop by multiple users. ...

I'm 99% sure that is an alternate account / sock account. I.E, someone who was extradited by the community or was already banned.

I've seen it adding emojis to react to people in #battle-nations-discussion but it never writes anything of it's own volition.

We caught it bumping posts, which I reported. It has done so again of course. And again. (I've also seen it unfollowing again.)

And after it was pointed out that said account was just being a nuisance, it has taken upon itself to ping you / the role to try to report this behavior it was accused of.

This isn't behavior for a normal person, this is behavior someone does when they are on an alt hiding. They were using it to be a nuisance, after they were called out, they are now having fun being a nuisance again. Now they're talking after avoiding doing so, yet maintaining a presence, because that's the only way they can annoy others. (Note they went from broken English the last 2 messages to short-form English.)

There's a level of dedication present, that suggests this is someone who was an active community member hiding behind an account. It deleted it's message in #👋-welcome It's likely avoiding typing normally in long messages, so it's not called out for this.

I don't have any definitive proof it's an alt, it just screams alt behavior.

harsh yacht
quiet kite
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this would be great for other infected, even if all infected were given their own limit instead of it being shared

dim pine
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Yeah, easiest fix ever.

crystal mortar
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We really need this already

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Can't want to never get to use any other infected because 4 maulers is always strictly better

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Such a ridiculous dumb restriction at level 56

fossil saddle
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The restriction is dumb let me use my mutants all I want, I have so many 😭

zealous lichen
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Id say that running more than 4 maulers make virtually no difference in any fights alr (cycling the burrow doesnt do that much even, and you sacrifice other unit slots for that)

theres nothing that will break if theres no infected limit

so set it to 2

rancid bane
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lets make the limit 1

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only 1 zombie

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all humans

zealous lichen
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yes I agree
non fraggers have too many pity units to help them

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they should experience a BS thats 20 times harder

fossil saddle
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My maulers are max rank now, so I dont really want to use them
It's really annoying I can't mirror match enemy infected

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@inland raptor pls pls pls pls pls

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Just cap maulers at 5 and let the rest be free

manic egret
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I wish to have a cannon fodder spam of Creepers.

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It's not like the frags have a limit on them, and you can bring more than 4 killmepls

crystal mortar
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Deploy limits are ridiculous as a concept. Only a few units need it but aside from wimps and lsw it should be removed from the game wholesale

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But with infected it's just a slap in the face

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Most infected are made worthless as a result

smoky arrow
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i think they could be pretty good for PVP

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but in PVE where we are having to potentially fight giant bosses, or 4 waves of enemies

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they are pretty silly

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though there is always the argument that they make you have to strategize

crystal mortar
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Pvp I can see it but otherwise absolutely not

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all it does is make me use units that simply don't have a limit

smoky arrow
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well like for instance, the best units in the game rn are frags, and if you had 13 of them thats all you would use

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but a cap does make you select other units, or at least use a combination of ranged/melees

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afterall theres not much strategy in 13 frags

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not saying i agree with capping frags, but i do think in a better balanced version of BN caps could be useful

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just not really in this current version

faint oyster
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I want mah 5 maulers so I can cycle

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But I agree, there should not be a limit on infected as a WHOLE. Specially there are far stronger units which there is no limit on.

dim pine
crystal mortar
brisk crater
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Even in PVP?

crystal mortar
brisk crater
crystal mortar
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I said those were the 2 obvious exceptions

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Beyond that it should never be used to balance units in the future

brisk crater
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With exceptions?

crystal mortar
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Only those 2. No other unit should be designed around a unit limit unless they want to go for a deployable ancient construct for example

smoky arrow
crystal mortar
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Like the fish have a deploy limit as well

brisk crater
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The fish do not have a deploy limit

crystal mortar
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Bunch of random stuff have annoying and pointless deploy limits

brisk crater
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I have filled entire formations with bgroupers

fossil saddle
brisk crater
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I only have three mgroupers

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And three is enough for my needs

crystal mortar
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Yes, they do

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And it’s ridiculous

brisk crater
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And I said I have three only and that's enough for my needs

fossil saddle
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It's one I could see the argument for at least, they're annoying to kill and do a lot of damage

crystal mortar
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Except I can deploy 10 ironclads

brisk crater
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Both of its attacks can cause breach too

fossil saddle
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Sure but you earned that from a boss

crystal mortar
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Stupid ass mechanic

rancid bane
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u can deploy as many AS frags as u want as well

crystal mortar
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I can deploy 10 m10s

rancid bane
brisk crater
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They also have bonus crit against gunboats and subs.

crystal mortar
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Stupid ass mechanic

fossil saddle
rancid bane
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aoe cooks everyone

crystal mortar
brisk crater
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Doesn't help that MGs have a base crit rate too...

crystal mortar
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9 square aoe

fossil saddle
rancid bane
crystal mortar
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Groupers only hit 1 at a time

fossil saddle
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never know

obtuse leaf
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They should limit arsonist tbh

rancid bane
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they can kill 3-4 m10s at most

fossil saddle
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We're limited to 3

rancid bane
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before they die to aoe

crystal mortar
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Naval is a mess anyway

rancid bane
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aoe > single target, in bn

crystal mortar
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Point is

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Deploy limits are completely asinine in 95% of cases

obtuse leaf
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Unless they start adding boss left right and centre

sturdy ice
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zombie deployment limit is ass

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ah yes creepers need a deployment limit

fossil saddle
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The limit has it's place it's just used poorly, should MGs have the limit? Who knows, naval sucks so I dont care that much

Maulers at 5 is fair, I would never want to fight a full board of them in pvp that would be ass

wimp spam being limited is fine for what it is

For the most part though the limit is just unnecessary

sturdy ice
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too powerful

obtuse leaf
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Wimp suck at bs anyway

rancid bane
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id love 5 maulers

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cycle

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spike em all

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13 maulers, go send it

obtuse leaf
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Party

rancid bane
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countered by 1 chunook

crystal mortar
fossil saddle
crystal mortar
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No. They don’t need a deploy limit

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Stupid ass system

fossil saddle
crystal mortar
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Deploy limit = I use something without the limit instead every single time

obtuse leaf
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Party just need a prep time nerf

fossil saddle
crystal mortar
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And if your response to that is to give everything a deploy limit, that’s even more ridiculous

fossil saddle
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More maulers for me then

brisk crater
crystal mortar
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So we use intelligent game design to resolve future balance concerns instead of making the game annoying to play

fossil saddle
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The limit can be used intelligently though, some units are just overwhelmingly more powerful than their competition, different maps wont stop OP units that wipe the board from doing that

crystal mortar
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Also has the side benefit of giving more units viability that didn’t previously have any

crystal mortar
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Which I have already said are the exceptions of course

fossil saddle
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Could make a case for limiting AS frags though that's it's own can of worms

crystal mortar
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Oh hell no

fossil saddle
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13 ranged frags coming up

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crystal mortar
fossil saddle
sudden summit
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Was this ever added...

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more than 4 infected would be huge

faint oyster
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Not yet 😕

sudden summit
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Damn

faint oyster
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Yo 300.

But I don't think this is ever happening is it? Booo.

I just wanna use 5 collosus oh
Collosus are pretty good for the new boss fight. Specially if you don't have wimps (which if you don't have wimps at level 56+ then WHAT are you doing), or want wimps that can survive a few attacks.

tight bay
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Thing is - Colossi and Wimps fill vastly different roles.

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Wimps are a glass cannon disposable unit with extremely good crushing damage and a strong loop that makes them premium for BSes and other throw-away test formations to probe multi-wave formations.

Colossi are genuinely, intentionally tanks. They're armored, good dodge, and sit front-and-center with disruption tools and high suppression chance.

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Even then, they're outclassed by things like Nomads for CC and literally any kind of tank for actual tanks. There's little use case especially since they're so limited, and that slot can go to Maulers instead.

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Unlimiting infected units would allow players to better use the colossus, and other units like it.

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If Madrona is worried about mauler spam - just limit maulers.

simple sparrow
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I would love a front line of five colossi and back line of stalkers and bullfrogs