Useless Bot

[jaunty swan]

Fix that bot AI player that steal a player with 4 points when another have 9 ....

[timber cedar]

Your response is "we're working on it", same we all have heard for 8 months

[nova abyss]

No, we are doing bug fixes at the moment. But we'll also work on the AI.

[nova abyss]

If the player has the resources the AI needs. Why not?

[timber cedar]

See Underworld, this is the level of support, snarky nonsensical comments similar to the AI/Bot behavior.

[timber cedar]

"we'll work on ai" as in.........not now despite endless posts/threads/request from the community. WTG

[nova abyss]

As you know we have some bug fixing to do which is our top priority at the moment. Thanks for your understanding.

[timber cedar]

bug is a broad term to use considering all the issues I see reported, one of the most common + impactful IS the AI/Bot. So if there are backend/unseen bugs, then say that 🙂

[nova abyss]

That the AI doesn't react or trade correctly is a bug we are working on. That you don't like the AI's strategy is a different think which will be handled later on.

[timber cedar]

It's not a strategy to hoard cards only to discard them all, to rob players not getting cards / advancing in pts / offering same trade 5-10 times like someone's mind is gonna change after 5mins of it. A semblance of strategy would be a welcomed change 😄

[jaunty swan]

What sense have the AI BOT wants build one more road and need my unique card, a dirt ones, when the other player have 9 points and 4 cards on his maze and maybe he can finish the game on the next turn? This road means a more disputed game?

[timber cedar]

@nova abyss played a few games since update/maintenance: Bots/players dropped in all, so the AI isn't doing the endless trade routine but they still rob remaining player in last place repeatedly, use monopoly but then hold all the cards vs bank trading & using. So, minimal but thankful improvement on the never ending/repeated trade offers 🙂

[jaunty swan]

Another stupid game with another stupid bot. Same thing that always. One player have 10 points and only need 1 more to win and the bot steal me with 8 points. Whats the point of a bot that not make the game disputed till the end? A human player in 3rd position not try to get more points without steal the leader. Stupid development.

[jaunty swan]

3 days without playing, and just today I come back ... and the same stupid thing. Another stupid bot that steal me instead a leader with 2 points of adventage (7vs5)

[jaunty swan]

... and one more time !!!! The bot steal me instead a 3 adventage points leader. The staff says: "maybe you have the resource the bot needs" ... ok ...then the bot offers a trade from one resource so the bot needs the resource right ?????... I accept the trade AND THE BOT REJECT TRADE WITH ME !!! The bot wants the resource or not ? Or simply wants ruin one specific player's game stealing him ??? Stupid development.

[steel heath]

This strategy makes the player winning, win even more, which is a bad strategy, competent player doesnt rob the ones losing, its competing against the winning player, so the game doesnt end.

Im not going to begin even to count many games AI won for someone else, when im being robbed over someone who has 5 or more points than me, also the thing that AI doesnt spend their resources, only gather them to throw them away and the "trade" offering, jesus christ, i've had games stuck on a loop to endless trade offering and since the bot does not a have time limit your stuck in the game.

Im glad that the games are filled when a player leaves, so that there's still a game to play, but the AI behavior is so toxic that you dont want to play the game, im not saying playing the game competetively should be nice, but the AI is just a complete buffoon, claiming anything else is just a lie.

[shadow crest]

Calm down. Maybe pay attention to the board. Perhaps the you are in more direct competition for space with the AI than the other player. The AI might have a greater incentive to rob you because you have more access to a particular resource that it needs. There are many explanations for robbing underdogs. Your complaint about the trading is likely also because of competition. The AI wants to trade grain for wood, but knows that you need grain, at least more than the others, and is in more competition with you for land, thus not wanting to trade with you in particular.

[jaunty swan]

" Perhaps the you are in more direct competition for space with the AI than the other player ". That´s the point ... All space competitions disapear when one player only need 1 point to win. Easy and direct. No one human player try to end in second place ... if the AI dont try to act like a human player then is not a good substitute ...

[shadow crest]

If the leader is likely going to win anyway, then it would be in the AI's best interest to try to get second place. It's not gonna sacrifice its whole hand just to postpone the leader winning another turn. Humans do play like that. I play like that. My friends play like that. It's not unheard of.

[jaunty swan]

Maybe you and your friends play with a rule or a system that give recognition to the second place. My friends and me not.

[shadow crest]

Catan Universe rewards 2nd place more than third place, so I assume that you would play with that system as well.

[jaunty swan]

Im not play for ELO

Im play for win

like the 99% players that play this game

[shadow crest]

So if you can't win anyway, you would rather be third place than second place?

[jaunty swan]

I dont care the second or the 3rd place

And if 2 players start to rob to the leader maybe they can avoid his victory

[shadow crest]

So it wouldn't make a difference to you to be dead last or runner-up. This shows that your goal here is clearly flawed. And avoiding a victory that is one point away is very unlikely, unless the others are also very close and are close to taking longest road or largest army away from the leader.

[zinc zodiac]

@shadow crest What’s your position on defending the Catan Universe Devs so much? Every post I’ve seen of a complaint you’ve commented on trying to defend them? The game is clearly in a bad place right now and the logic used by the OP is sound. But anyways keep defending the people ruining a board game we all love!

[shadow crest]

They aren't ruining a board game, they are doing a poor job at adapting it into a video game. I am defending them because no one else is, and the only thing that I see on this server are complaints.

[zinc zodiac]

The only thing on a feedback forum you’re seeing is… feedback? I don’t think the devs need you to swoop in and save them from a justifiably upset community.

[shadow crest]

Not all of it is justified. There are countless complaints about dice rolls, showing that some of these people clearly have never played the game on a board.

[zinc zodiac]

I will say that is the one issue I have no comment on being as statistics can legitimately be anything. You could roll the dice 1,000,000 times and every time show 7 and statistically that’s possible, albeit improbable. But this is not a dice roll thread 🙂

[jaunty swan]

I played tons of games on a board with my friends. I have the Catan Plus for 6 players and never, NEVER, anyone of us steal a player who is in 3rd position: All against the leader. This is like human plays. No one care finish in second place

[upper palm]

I once thought bot behave horrendously because it has a fault. Now, I believe Devs definitely designed bots to behave that way.
First reason, bot is not smart enough. Can not calculate future directions. Good alogorithm implementation is Chess AI. Chess AI figures out a million way to achieve a win in first move. Look it up on the youtube. I do not believe Catan developers go as far as that much. But bots should be able to anticipate at least future 5 moves.
Second reason, bot is so useless that master level bot does not mean anything. Human can always win. So bots instead gang up against a human player. Bot puts robber on human player all the time.
..Now it goes into rigging dice and bots play..
To have bots to win, they rigged dice. Even I have all numbers but I do not have 4. 4 will roll after roll after roll. When robber is on my number, dice will roll. Even let's say i have all the number on the game. I have 9 with bricks. Guess what 9 will keep roll since it is no value at later game. But will roll 11, 2, 10 repeatedly if bots have that number.
Another thing Catan is rigged, development card.. Bots will have much higher chance with good development cards. And have better chance getting them.
For example, I have 3 cloths only. Bots have coins and papers.. Guess what coins and papers will keep roll in dice.
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I gotta say it is not useless bot. It is designed that way purposely.
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I read Reddit catan board. This dice thing was brought up from many years ago till now. Even on discord, search dice.. it will go down into years.
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one more.. 7 rolls.. once i have 8 cards.. 7 rolls.. i can even predict most of times..

[shadow crest]

The creators of Catan Universe cannot create AI as smart as chess AI because chess AI play chess. It is predictable. It is solvable. Catan has dice. Thus it is not predictable. Thus it is not solvable. And I have a question. Do you really think 5 moves ahead in Catan, especially considering that dice make it near completely unpredictable? As for the dice rolls, you would need a ridiculous amount of data to prove that the dice are rigged. My friends and I used to talk about complaining to the creators as a joke. There is no grand conspiracy to make you have a hard time when you're playing Catan. You get unlucky (at least when you notice). That's not the game's fault.

[timber cedar]

That whol reply makes no sense with what plays out with AI. It's not in the competition at all as it rarely builds, monopolies then does nothing with the cards - no bank trade in, no building, the only thing it ever really does(if it can) is buy & use dev cards. It's AI, it doesn't care about what place it finishes and 2nd more more often than not loses pts. So maybe "pay attention" to all the issues reported about the AI.