Sourcing parts for a Voron V0 in Jordan :flag_jo:

[shrewd oyster]

This is where I have to abide by his rules lol

Not possible atm for a number of reasons. Plus I already ordered

It's not the most optimal way of doing things I know. But if I'm able to travel out of the country in the future, I'll probabably be using aliexpress

[weak nimbus]

uni is awful

[left smelt]

You had been quiet for a while.!

[weak nimbus]

been struggling with uni all this time 🙁

8 hours a day there go home sleep repeat

[left smelt]

Yuck. You only have to do it once though.

[weak nimbus]

3 years 🙁 but yea it will pass

[shrewd oyster]

That's one piece of the puzzle down

[deep summit]

last piece ordered, first to arrive 🤣

[shrewd oyster]

Lol yeah. It still has to make its way through the airport

[deep summit]

cant wait to see how your trident will look.
do you know what colors do you use for your printed parts?

mine needs only electrics and panels done

[shrewd oyster]

Classic black and red :)

[shrewd oyster]

Couldn't find ANY of the screws I need locally. I think I'll have to order them online

[rough raft]

Got a list of what you are looking for?

[shrewd oyster]

Yeah, the ones on the BOM for the trident

[deep summit]

not a single one?

[dawn snow]

Where are you looking? You may need to go more “industrial supplier” than home improvement store.

[shrewd oyster]

Possibly but I don't know of an industrial supplier of any sort

It's probably out-of-city

[deep summit]

maybe amazon, one screw set and the rest as small batches? thats how i done it with some of my screws i needed

https://www.amazon.de/Innensechskantschrauben-Linsenkopfschrauben-Maschinenschrauben-Gewindeschrauben-Unterlegscheiben/dp/B0FCF8K57C

somethink like this and then buy the extra m3x8 as a 100 pack or so?

[dawn snow]

This is the wrong head style but yes, this is a valid option.

[deep summit]

Uff… I always switch the names between these two… can’t keep them correct in my head…

That’s something I will never learn to translate correct in my head 😂

[shrewd oyster]

Picking the minor parts. Are these the heat inserts I need?

[deep summit]

for the m5 heat inserts yes

[shrewd oyster]

Right

This for the m3 inserts?

[deep summit]

yes

[shrewd oyster]

By the way. I can't seem to find any M3x50 cylindrical screws. BOM says it needs two of them but I haven't found any 50mm screws in the trident manual

I haven't come by one entry for M3x50 on temu

[deep summit]

havent found them myself. only i know are for the printhead

but i also cant find them in the bom picture above what i had posted

[shrewd oyster]

I see. I guess I can do away with it

Are these the "roll-in" or "drop-in" M3 T nuts I need?

[rough raft]

Those are roll in but if its easier for you to source, hammerhead t nuts work just as well. They are a little more difficult to install but not impossible

[shrewd oyster]

I think ease of installation is not much of a concern at this point lol

[rough raft]

Same

[deep summit]

j just have replaced all hammerhead t nuts with roll in because of comfort

[rough raft]

Hence the suggestion

[shrewd oyster]

You mean these hammerhead?

[deep summit]

this are slide in t nuts

[rough raft]

Id describe these as slide in and they are not what you want

[deep summit]

i think the hammerhead are mostly for the panels if i remember correct or im wrong?

[shrewd oyster]

BOM mentions these

I mean T nuts are T nuts, are they nut

[rough raft]

You should be able to replace all rollins with hammer heads

[deep summit]

yeah, and vice versa

[shrewd oyster]

These?

@deep summit

[deep summit]

this are hammerhead t nuts

i dont use them at all on my build. but if you want to save a bit of money then you can also use only these

[shrewd oyster]

Sounds good

[deep summit]

some times it could be tricky to use them. because they can slide around in the frame, can fall out or sometimes dont rotate to lock inside the frame profile. so be careful

[shrewd oyster]

Just to be clear, drop-in and roll-in T nuts are the same, right?

[shrewd oyster]

Oh. So drop-in is the same as hammerhead?

I'm confused since the manual mixes them up and I have no prior experience with them

[deep summit]

only different is how you install them in the frame and how easy you can remove them.

drop-in and hammerhead are the same, just different names

[shrewd oyster]

I see. Thank you

Are spacers not the same thing as washers?

I'd guess it's to do with precision?

[deep summit]

Here you can see the difference

[deep summit]

a spacer has differnt lenghts. a washer is stamped out of a sheet metal. shims are cutted out and have precise thicknesses. washers can vary a bit

[shrewd oyster]

Is this the correct M3 locknut?

[deep summit]

yes

with the nylon insert at one end

[shrewd oyster]

You mean the blue part inside?

That is at the one round end, indeed

[deep summit]

This is to ensure that the nut does not come loose on its own.

[shrewd oyster]

I take it that "shims" are the same as spacers?

[deep summit]

where do you read spacer?

[shrewd oyster]

The BOM

[deep summit]

then its the shim yeah.

bom says M5 1mm Thick Shim/Washer

[shrewd oyster]

I guess I'll have to use washers. I can't find any "shims" nor "spacers" on temu

I only found these but they're $1.50 for 2pcs 😭

[rough raft]

[rough raft]

How many does it call for?

[shrewd oyster]

24

18 dollars for washers

[rough raft]

[hybrid gull]

Is there no where else you can get them?
Not even a local hardware store???

[rough raft]

Where are these used again? I think on the extrusions

[shrewd oyster]

Obviously I could get washers locally

That's what I'm gonna do

[rough raft]

Oh, these are the shims for the belt paths

I think

[shrewd oyster]

On the joints and stuff

[rough raft]

Yeah these are important

[shrewd oyster]

Washers will do

[rough raft]

The critical dimension is the thickness

[rough raft]

Unfortunately they won't. You do want the 1mm thickness

Yup

This is important

@shrewd oyster do you have access to a machine shop or jlc cnc

[shrewd oyster]

I'm already spending $100 on bullshit screws lol

[shrewd oyster]

Nope

[rough raft]

@quiet blaze you might be able to help seeing as you ship to wierd places

Whats your shipping policy to Jordan

[shrewd oyster]

The thing with the screws is that all the woodworking or home improvement shops have self tapping screws

[deep summit]

you have many spare ones after the build, so... that they are dont a waste, just build mods for your printer to use them, or build another printer

i dont know how much i spend only on screws for my builds. but its way to much... last buy was m5x16 100pcs for 12€ and m5x10 50pcs for 8€... i only needed around 20 of the 5x16 and 10 5x10

[shrewd oyster]

I get that. I have the money but I feel like the build cost is creeping way up now

All things considered it's now a $1200 build

It was my fault for not considering the screws and pulleys and stuff. I thought those were gonna be cheap and easy to source

[deep summit]

for self sourcing its ok i think.

its more expensive then a kit when you compare the parts cost because they buy everythink in bulk

[shrewd oyster]

This is the idler I need for the belts?

GT2 20 tooth

"20 Teeth 5mm Bore GT2 Idler Pulley"

Ah yeah that is what I want

5mm bore 6mm width

[deep summit]

what are the dimensions of the flanges? you dont want them to big that they are rubbing against your printed parts.

[shrewd oyster]

I don't quite understand

It only has this diagram

Do you mean the widths of top and bottom?

[deep summit]

this

if they are to big they can rub on this part and position

cant say if 18mm will work. i think if you find ones with 16mm they are fine.

maybe someone different can give you an answere there.
i dont use the standard gantry

[shrewd oyster]

Is there an alternative to the GE5C bearings? I can't find those...

[deep summit]

you order the parts via temu atm right?

https://share.temu.com/OUfNWjNvMhB

[shrewd oyster]

Yes

[shrewd oyster]

Not available for me for whatever reason

[deep summit]

would aliexpress work too?

[quiet blaze]

Tell me

[shrewd oyster]

No just temu

[rough raft]

Whats your shipping policy to Jordan

[shrewd oyster]

Yeah I can't find GE5C bearings at all. Nor GE5E

Considering this again https://www.printables.com/model/963865-voron-trident-ge5c-bearing-alternative-flexure

I guess ABS is out the window until I find these bearings

[deep summit]

they will deforme under heat and the weight of the printbed assambly, dont know if this will work for a long period of time

[shrewd oyster]

50 dollars for bearings from amazon...

[shrewd oyster]

It'll get me going at least. I can always print more of them

[deep summit]

@rough raft do you think it would be possible to hard mount the bed assambly with the z mechanik like some guys to in the v2.4 with the gantry? it wouldnt flex this much. but the bed does not need really too. or will this create problems?

i think it could be better then printing this flex parts linked above 🤔

[rough raft]

No idea. Best to ask in #voron_trident_questions

[shrewd oyster]

BOM mentions a 5x30mm shaft. I assume this is for bed leveling? I've opted for klippy for probing

[shrewd oyster]

I'll ask

[deep summit]

its for the z endstop, but you dont need it when you go clicky. then you need to calibrate your z offset manuelly. when you install the endstop it can do auto z calibration after configure

[shrewd oyster]

Got it

[deep summit]

@shrewd oyster i have maybe an idea for your ge5c problem. but then you would need to print the r1 z parts.

or find someone that can edit the r2 parts to work the same like this
https://www.printables.com/model/498198-voron-trident-ball-and-magnet-z-mounts

instead of the ge5c bearing your using a metal ball and a countersunk disc magnet. only problem is that the bed can fall when you put the printer on the side

[shrewd oyster]

I'll keep it in mind. But I may be able to get hold of bearings locally

Manual says I need a 3mm ID PTFE tube for the idlers. Will 2.5mm work? Bit of a stupid question but I just can't find 3mm ID tubes

[rough raft]

That might be a little tight

The 3mm is used to allow the front idlers slide. And a m3 screw goest through them

You can always drill the tube out tho

@shrewd oyster the important dimension is the outside diameter

[shrewd oyster]

I recognize that

[rough raft]

I believe its 4mm outside but dont quote me on that

[shrewd oyster]

It is according to the manual

[shrewd oyster]

That's good to know

This project has so many stuff I've never dealt with before lol

[rough raft]

Welcome to voron

[shrewd oyster]

Hope it goes well...

5 ports and 2 ports?

[shrewd oyster]

Is this fine for microfit connectors? https://mikroelectron.com/product/me-15207

I can't tell what it's used for. No direct mention of it in the manual

[shrewd oyster]

I don't know if I should just buy all of this stuff from temu

These results are just so sparse. I doubt I even know the thing I'm looking for 😅

[shrewd oyster]

Think these'll work? I'm concerned that it's 10mm wide

F695 is 15mm

Ig it works

[dawn snow]

No. The screw will expand it too much.

[dawn snow]

You may not need the MicroFit stuff depending on how you wire.

[dawn snow]

Did you look with the DIN standard mentioned?

[shrewd oyster]

Sorry I didn't explain what I'm looking for. This shim is for this part: (not DIN rails)

[dawn snow]

No, I read and understand what you were looking for.

There is a DIN/ISO spec for all of the parts and that would be something to search for.

[shrewd oyster]

Oh, the BOM doesn't say. I'll check the sourcing guide

[dawn snow]

I would not use nylon.

[shrewd oyster]

DIN 988

[shrewd oyster]

It's quite difficult to find on temu unfortunately

I found this which says "washer" but looks solid. Doesn't say the margins unfortunately

[dawn snow]

I used AliExpress but I was thinking about if you were sourcing locally.

[shrewd oyster]

I might find them locally but it'll be a short while before I go looking

[dawn snow]

That looks punched and is likely a fender washer.

[shrewd oyster]

Right on the dot 😅

All the washers look punched tbh. I guess it's what makes them washers and not spacers

[dawn snow]

I may have a few orbits around the sun under my belt....

[shrewd oyster]

Forgive my naiveness

[dawn snow]

Hey, you don't know until you know.

[shrewd oyster]

I have to make the temu order. I'll try to source metal spacers locally, but I'll also get the nylon spacers just in case

[shrewd oyster]

I guess I'll need to drill through it. I only need 35mm tubes of the 3mm ID, so it should be easy enough

[shrewd oyster]

Are you saying I can decide what "plug shape" (what's it called?) to use for the electronics?

[hybrid gull]

For certain things yes, iirc the microfit is sometimes used for Canbus

[dawn snow]

Kinda? Microfit was recommended for direct wire maintenance before but if you use a tool head board then you don't have long runs of individual wires.

[shrewd oyster]

I'm sure I can find the right connectors locally