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[jade phoenix]

Hello! Trying to figure out what's going on with my shapers.

Voron cube is printing atm.

above are from the sb2209 rp2040

below are from the cartographer v3

Mods:
BFI, pin, galvanic arm, cartographer cnc carriage, monolith panels, klicky klacky door, titanium xy backers, omron switch in the cw2 with 5.5mm ball for filament sensor

belts tightened to 2.1 on using the pf meter

Looks like belt is rubbing…just noticed

Other side looks ok

[raven rune]

👋

just saying hi, take your time. no rush 🙂

reply to this message or tag me, so we know u are comfortable everything from the guidelines is provided 🙂

[jade phoenix]

Moved the pulley

cartographer adxl after pulley move

This was printed before I moved the pulley

Apologies I don’t have any other filament except white petg at the moment

@raven rune Done, I think that's all that's needed?

[raven rune]

do you think or did u verify? 🙂

[jade phoenix]

I verified, was more a question towards if any other pictures will be helpful

[raven rune]

the more the better, but if we have whats required we can start 🙂

anyway, great post. Thank you for taking the time, this makes our life way easier

for the ADXL please stick to CAN Board for now.

[raven rune]

white is not great for seeing ringing/VFAs, but we can make it work. we will need your eyes as camera wont pickup as much as u can see in person.
from what it looks like on picture, its likely more VFAs than ringing
is it just the picture or do u have vertical lines here? see picture

[jade phoenix]

Lines, almost straight

[raven rune]

ok so VFAs rather than ringing

do one more run with CAN board adxl please. check its being done with 5 as Square corner velocity, the carto is at 9 in the picture above

once done, lets put the fresh values into your config, confirm it via klippy.log and run vibration profile from shaketunes portfolio

[jade phoenix]

not sure why the carto one was 9, but here's the can board

[jade phoenix]

they do look like vfas rather then rining, but the other side of the logo doesn't have the vertical lines

[raven rune]

great, so use what its recommending you and verify u have 6 parameters in the [input_shaper] section 🙂

shaper x
freq x
damping x

shaper y
freq y
damping y

[raven rune]

nevermind, use MZV for X and Y

[jade phoenix]

in your oppinion, things look acceptable?

[raven rune]

for now, yes 🙂

[raven rune]

spot on, well done

[obsidian yacht]

@jade phoenix can you post belts to please

[jade phoenix]

from shake n tune?

[obsidian yacht]

yes please

[jade phoenix]

completely missed the vibration profile

i have the tmc_autotune plugin

[obsidian yacht]

That chatter you see after the main peak can be your umbilical vibrating. Please remove the plastic part and redo the belts and input shaper

[jade phoenix]

I’m assuming you’re talking about this?

[jade phoenix]

I finally got some non white petg here’s the test cube. Print settings unchanged. Pictures taken purposefully with the light reflection in the print.

and input shaper right before the print

@obsidian yacht or @raven rune could I get a once look over please?

[obsidian yacht]

Can you post your [input_shaper] settings please

[obsidian yacht]

what speed are your ext perimetrs at

[jade phoenix]

it's 400 across the board, but limited to 15mm^3/s flow

[obsidian yacht]

that is probably to fast. Can you run vibrations profile. One at 0-200 and the other at 0-450

[jade phoenix]

looks like it maxes out at 142 closer to the top

[obsidian yacht]

Go ahead and run vibrations at 0-200

[obsidian yacht]

Try setting ext perimeter to 120

[jade phoenix]

is the symmetry too low? I've probably done about 25 hours of printing now, think good idea to check belt tension now?

[obsidian yacht]

It is fine

Turn off slow down for layer time, and auto cooling

[jade phoenix]

print another cube?

[obsidian yacht]

Sure

This is the fun part. Print wait 30ish minutes, make an adjustment, print etc

[jade phoenix]

Before I started printing, I double checked my belts, they were a bit off. I retightened to 2.1 on pf.

[obsidian yacht]

can you post your printer.cfg. I am not sure you are actually using [input_shaper]

[jade phoenix]

Max outer perimeter was 118

[obsidian yacht]

also can you post the 3mf file for the cube

[obsidian yacht]

you using orca or prusa

[jade phoenix]

orca

filament isn't dried

and i haven't tuned pa on this specific color, i tuned pa on white

[obsidian yacht]

what PA are you using

[jade phoenix]

0.04

[obsidian yacht]

is this pla or petg

[jade phoenix]

kingroon petg

[obsidian yacht]

You are going to need to walk through Ellis print guide

Your PA and EM maybe need to be adjusted

you also may need to slow down. I do not print PETG much.

@rain cedar what are your thoughts

[jade phoenix]

mind doublechecking my tmc_autotune and seeing if I commented out too much?

[obsidian yacht]

For TMC autotune, I just run x and y motors. I also group it all together. What you are doing is fine. I just put it all together to make it easier to find

[jade phoenix]

sense_resistor commented out or not?

[obsidian yacht]

I am not sure

[jade phoenix]

Em and pa was taken from white petg from same brand, I’ll tune it here shortly

[obsidian yacht]

what speeds do you use for white

[jade phoenix]

Flow regulates speed

15mm^3/s

Lemme find something I printed in white, but the cube is also higher in this chat

[jade phoenix]

This should top out around 140 I think

X

Y

[obsidian yacht]

I think you might need to go to #slicers_and_print_help to figure our speeds.

Do you have pla or abs that you can print so we can see if it is material or other issue

[jade phoenix]

No pla, I probably have abs but no profile for it

Printed my parts on another printer

I’ve got black polymaker abs

[obsidian yacht]

that will work

[jade phoenix]

Will take a few hours to tune it though

[obsidian yacht]

PETG is not a standard material I work with.
#slicers_and_print_help might be better for that

[jade phoenix]

I’ll move the printer to the garage and start tuning tonight

[rain cedar]

Looking at that black cube, it is difficult to see anything except issue with motion system or toolhead. Photos are not clear but it is a clear issue with belt tension being too high or belt rubbing somewhere or part cooling fan rattling or maybe toolhead rattling. I would say it's the belts, it is distinct vertical artifacts that are easily seen on V0.2 usually.

[jade phoenix]

Here’s abs @obsidian yacht

[obsidian yacht]

Much better

I think we have a material property issue going on.

In orca pull up a prusa core one printer. Take a look at their petg settings. Make sure they are conservative. Then copy it as much as possible to a test profile. Then print a cube using the test profile

[jade phoenix]

What would you say about the petg vs abs

[rain cedar]

ABS looks great. I don't see the issues that are on PETG cube.

All I see on ABS cube is repeating issue after some edges. This could be PA issue or combination of things (speed, PA, accel).

[jade phoenix]

No mechanical changes were done between the petg print and abs…I tuned abs pa via the line test in orca (ended up on 0.026), verified via pattern but very hard to discern differences in pa pattern between 0.02 and 0.035ish. Could be speed because max flow was 25mm^3/s and it ended up being around 250mm/s I the center above the logo