#Nitro Voron 2.4

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south plume
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IDK how impatient you are but you could take a pi from one of your other printers if you want it to be printing now

odd dew
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I don't wanna bring down working printers lol

south plume
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I really don't know why this isn't working right

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Do you happen to have an adapter to access a serial console?

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Like I have one somewhere that just sticks onto the gpio

odd dew
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can I set wifi info in the armbian files?

south plume
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Oh wait NVM

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There should be a config somewhere for wifi yeah

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At this point you can't carry the printer over to an access point?

ashen agate
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probably not the greatest idea right now

south plume
ashen agate
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uhhh, do you have the other SD card, the small one, inserted to the m8p?

south plume
odd dew
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The one straight from armbisn did the same

odd dew
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Does it...need to be..?

south plume
ashen agate
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probably not, im not sure

south plume
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Lol

ashen agate
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is it possible you could try screwing down the cb1 any further?

south plume
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It needed to be screwed tighter than I was comfortable with, although you've got a green light on the manta so I'm not sure it's that's the issue

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Wouldn't hurt though

odd dew
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Oh boy

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I can try..

south plume
# odd dew I can try..

I mean you can try pushing down on the board where the connectors are while booting too

odd dew
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Ufhhhhh

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Ughhh

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Same shit

ashen agate
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fucking rats...

south plume
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I'm kinda out of ideas at this point

ashen agate
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so, as a recap our current thoughts are:

very long ethernet cable
new SD card

odd dew
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What a piece of shit 💀

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Let me try it I guess

south plume
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Hence why I recommended replacing it lol

south plume
odd dew
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Yes. I know. But another $70 on top of an already expensive purchase wasn't really tingling my fancy

south plume
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That's fair

odd dew
south plume
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Oh. I forgot about that part

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Sorry

south plume
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I expected like $40

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$100 for a 4gb pi4b... Jeez

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Glad I had an extra on hand I guess

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@odd dew you said you have two printers using one pi each right now correct?

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Just some enders or something?

odd dew
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A voxelab and a qidi plus4. The voxelab is a pi 3

south plume
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Argh

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I ran 3 of my old printers of a single pi3b+ but they were slow (like 50mm/s slow)

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I don't think that'll work for you either...

odd dew
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What SHOULD the lights look like when it's running properly..

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did u guys use raspberry pi imager or balena?

ashen agate
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i used raspi imager.

odd dew
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and which image?

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github or armbian? minimal..?

ashen agate
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i see on my cm1, a red light, and the green light flashes with two green blinks, a pause, repeat.

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the one from github, the one i flashed was CB1_Debian12_Klipper_kernel6.6_20241219.img.xz

south plume
odd dew
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reseated the cb1, no change.

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the weird part is no display output.

ashen agate
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the next chance you get to look at the SD card and its folders in the computer

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could you show the file list

boreal marsh
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I saw above that when you connected the sd card to your computer windows popped up saying there’s something wrong with the card. You didn’t click it and tell it to repair did you?

odd dew
boreal marsh
boreal marsh
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You are always welcome to open a #request_help ticket for more in depth help if you’d like

ashen agate
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did you edit a file that looks like this?

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odd dew
ashen agate
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should be in the same folder as the other config file

odd dew
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Am I supposed to edit it?

boreal marsh
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To put your WiFi details in it yes.

odd dew
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apparently i can jump 2 pins and power the board from a usb c then could plug it into my switch with ethernet..

odd dew
boreal marsh
boreal marsh
odd dew
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Huh?

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hold on.

boreal marsh
odd dew
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sysem.cfg is the one i edited

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had the name wrong.

boreal marsh
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Gotcha. The file above that @ashen agate is showing is the armbianEnv.txt file. I had them flipped in my head. 😅

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(I was trying to link to that section on the GitHub but my phone didn’t like me. Lol)

odd dew
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clay showed config.txt

boreal marsh
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Different name in different OS systems

odd dew
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which looks completely different

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so no i didnt edit something like that lol

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should I have an image on the screen during setup or no

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cause maybe it doesnt like the & sign in my wifi password or something stupid

boreal marsh
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So my suggestion for testing this would be the following: Flash the image from the GitHub above to the SD card, Only edit the system.cfg file to enable klipperscreen, then install the sd card in the SOC slot and attempt boot. If everything’s working you should get an output on the display and the LEDs on the Manta by the CB1 flashing. You can log into your WiFi via klipperscreen if comes up.

south plume
ashen agate
boreal marsh
odd dew
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Do I turn on btt pad 7?

boreal marsh
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Nope. Leave that setting alone. Just uncomment the KS rotation and output lines.

odd dew
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So I should get a display on the screen even if it fails to connect to wifi rhgt

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right

south plume
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Yes

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Theoretically

odd dew
boreal marsh
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You are booted up btw.

odd dew
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(still no display on 0)

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It's also not on my wifi

boreal marsh
boreal marsh
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(Unsafe because have no button to hit shutdown properly atm)

odd dew
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It wont connect to wifi still though so either it doesnt like SSIDs with periods, passwords with & signs..or the wifi antenna range sucks.

boreal marsh
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Afaik it works better on 2.4Ghz networks. For now though we should try and get Klipperscreen to show because if we can we can just its network manager to connect.

odd dew
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it is a 2.4

boreal marsh
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Something strange to try. Plug the display into your computer to verify it works then plug it back into the printer. This has worked for others before when the screen didn’t work on the manta, tested it on computer, then put it back on the manta only for it to start working again.

odd dew
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Ughhhh

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This time when rebooting I didn't even get a red light it went straight to flashing green

boreal marsh
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That’s fine

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The flashing green indicates the cb1 is alive and booted/booting.

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In theory. You can do what you suggested earlier. VUSB jumper for powering via USB (need at least 2-3A on 5v for that) and Ethernet to your network switch.

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That would get it online, you ssh into it, and then run sudo nmtui to connect it to WiFi.

odd dew
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The god damn...HDMI...want plugged in all the way on the screen side...

south plume
boreal marsh
# odd dew

Menu -> network -> connect to your WiFi now.

odd dew
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Why didn't it auto connect...

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The screen is sooooo slowwwww

boreal marsh
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Probably something in that config file just wasn’t happy. It’s BTT, this is kinda expected sometimes.

boreal marsh
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@ashen agate hehe

odd dew
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i need a drink

boreal marsh
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Hooray!

ashen agate
boreal marsh
odd dew
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so...now what..

boreal marsh
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Voron docs should guide you through the config setup.

odd dew
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now i gotta do something with the 128mb card..and the toolhead board..

boreal marsh
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You don’t need the 128mb card. You can flash the manta via DFU mode and the toolhead board will be flashed via RP2 boot mode.

ashen agate
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Im in dreamland for the next 8h.

odd dew
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or..

ashen agate
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Yes

odd dew
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how

boreal marsh
south plume
boreal marsh
odd dew
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is there a guide for this

south plume
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Even the first time?

odd dew
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i dont see it

boreal marsh
# odd dew how

Following esotericals guide for flashing it as a can bus bridge. Since you’ll need that anyways.

cloud emberBOT
south plume
boreal marsh
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Make sure to do every step in the guide.

south plume
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Well... If you have issues flashing over DFU @odd dew you can use the SD card. I just used filezilla over ssh to transfer the firmware file to my laptop then to my SD card. Possibly could have been more efficient by copying it directly from the cb1 to the SD card but 🤷 . Regardless, I should probably go, good luck with the rest of the build.

odd dew
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I dont have to worry about resistors right..

boreal marsh
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Nope

ashen agate
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Not until a little later

boreal marsh
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Well. Other than the jumper on the manta and sb2209 for the 120ohm on can bus. But that’s easy

odd dew
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Am I doing the last option..?

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I dont understand how the 3 boards play together

ashen agate
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Yes. The can is connected up to the manta already, but not the toolhead (yet)

odd dew
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ok

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So im using the manta as a "can bridge" like the last section says

ashen agate
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Yes.

odd dew
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queue jeopardy theme..

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do I want iperf3 to start automatically..?

boreal marsh
# odd dew I dont understand how the 3 boards play together

So. The CB1 runs Linux and controls the printer. The Manta (which holds the CB1) has a STM32 MCU on board which controls all the motors and other things connected to it. And the SB2209 which controls the toolhead components.

The STM32 has a CAN transceiver onboard to talk to the toolhead board via a CANbus. You will flash the STM32 in with CANbus bridge firmware which will allow the CB1 to use the CAN transceiver connected to the STM32 to talk to any board on the CANbus.

boreal marsh
odd dew
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Well hopefully not casue I tried to screenshot it and it went away lmao

boreal marsh
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Lmao. Fair

low crescent
odd dew
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I make the config FIRST, then plug in the can cable, dfu mode..?

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I thought I didnt want to connect the can cable for a while

ashen agate
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You dont need to plug in the can cable until after you get through flashing the mainboard

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And, iirc, the first flash of the toolhead board is over usb. Then the rest through the cable .

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The common hardware page is the information required for you to go through the main page instructions

odd dew
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when it says this does it mean it wants me to set it now? or keep track of for later..

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toolhead board is next

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cant wait to redo all this once i get the cm4 😢

low crescent
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You will not need to redo the firmware flashing that you are doing now when you switch. Just the OS an the getting started for the CAN setup.

odd dew
low crescent
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You can add it to your printer.cfg if you want. I'd grab the one from the formbot kit repo and fill in the two UUID's.

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You will need to update the tool head temp sensor config.

odd dew
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do I?

low crescent
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It is expecting the the PT1000 and you are changing to NTC 100K.

odd dew
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ah..

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So...its safe to connect the toolhead now..? not gonna go into max overdrive and blow up?

odd dew
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I still gotta put in my y endstop

odd dew
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Boys

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Where the hell does the y end stop go

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I assume on the gantry

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I don't see this in my printed pieces :/

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low crescent
odd dew
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Says y end stop gets mounted on the a motor mount

low crescent
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Did you print the Voron on or the Formbot one?

odd dew
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I have no idea I had to keep flipping back and forth

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Maybe it goes here?

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low crescent
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Yes, that woudl be the spot.

odd dew
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Thank god

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Would it make sense for the wire to come up through the hole on the top of the motor mount?

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Edit: no

jade citrus
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The small one of for the manta board, the other one is for the cb1

odd dew
low crescent
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Wire needs to go down the chain eventually.

odd dew
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Yea

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Working on it

odd dew
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So since the toolhead board is next to flash is it now safe to connect to power and data? I know before it said to keep it disconnected..

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But it kinda has to be powered to interact with it

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Glad I took this picture

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median crane
odd dew
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bed, hotend, can board..

median crane
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the hotend heater is

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but that's not the same thing

odd dew
median crane
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I don't really keep up on what formbot is telling people to do, (their guides suck) but if you're following esoterical's guide, there's a specific step where it tells you to hook up the canbus toolhead board by USB for flashing, and then another specific step later where it tells you to switch it to canbus

median crane
odd dew
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whats the command to get a link to the esoterical guide

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cant find it

median crane
odd dew
odd dew
low crescent
median crane
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And yes, usb power is sufficient for that purpose. It’s not like you need to turn on any 24v fans or heaters 😛

odd dew
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But you have to use a jumper to allow powering it over USB right?

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guess ill rtfm

median crane
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I think there's a jumper right next to the canbus & usb connectors

odd dew
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Does the board INSIDE the front cover of the SB that controls the fans and LEDs also have to be flashed? or just the 2209 (long boi)

low crescent
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Just the main board.

odd dew
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So the SB2209 is the one mounted to the side of the SB (long one with the thick cable) and that is what the RP2040 plugs into?

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RP2040 being the one mounted inside the front cover of the SB with the leds/fans plugged in

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cant find the right jumper for that tiny terminal 🥴

low crescent
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No, the RP2040 is the MCU on the 2209 board as there is version with a STM32 MCU

odd dew
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im trying to find the bag of jumpers for that module

jade citrus
odd dew
jade citrus
odd dew
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I think the entire bag of parts from that module went missing

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I'm aware

jade citrus
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mine where in the little box the board came in

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I know that sounds obvious but with a shot

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Worst case, you could borrow the 120ohm resister jumper to power it up on 5v

odd dew
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These are too big..

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Found it

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She's alive

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My laptop did a GPU driver update last night now it keeps crashing 💀🙃

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F u windows

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Grrrrr

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jade citrus
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well the good news is the computer is just connecting to the pi, its not stored on the pc

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bad news is it need to connect

odd dew
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This is making me want to do violent things

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Now I gotta crimp some connectors on the 24v cable. Do I just use some spade terminals? The kit came with some ferrules but...the formbot guide says it connects straight to the psu which doesnt have a spot for ferrules

low crescent
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Yeah, spade terminals are perfered. Also, remove the solder if you are crimping.

odd dew
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roger

odd dew
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Stripping the insulation back on this cable is scary trying not to damage the wires

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Think I actually got it

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ffffff

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It should be showing up in katapult mode. I double clicked reset on the toolhead board now it's not showing up at all

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ok the one its picking up is the mainboard

low crescent
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Are the termination resistors installed on both devices.

odd dew
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This keeps alternating red/green

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Oh...I need that too huh..

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That is also just a regular jumper right?

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Also I know I have to change these dip switches to work with my new thermistor on the hotend instead of the pt1000

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WOOOO

odd dew
median crane
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and then you go through it and start setting up your mcus, and all the other "edit here" points

odd dew
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Is it safe to hook eveything back up?

boreal marsh
odd dew
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Pain in the ***

low crescent
odd dew
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No fit in hole

low crescent
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OK, XH -> PH

odd dew
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Ye

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Too big

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U vs the guy she says not to worry about.

odd dew
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errr....

odd dew
# 
[extruder]
step_pin: EBBCan:gpio18
dir_pin: EBBCan:gpio19
enable_pin: !EBBCan:gpio17
microsteps: 16
rotation_distance: 22.905740611
gear_ratio: 50:10
nozzle_diameter: 0.400
filament_diameter: 1.750
heater_pin: EBBCan:gpio7
control: pid
min_temp: 0
max_extrude_only_distance: 105
max_extrude_cross_section: 2
pid_kp: 57.369
pid_ki: 2.533
pid_kd: 324.854
sensor_type: MAX31865
sensor_pin: EBBCan:gpio9
spi_software_sclk_pin: EBBCan:gpio10
spi_software_mosi_pin: EBBCan:gpio8
spi_software_miso_pin: EBBCan:gpio11
rtd_nominal_r: 100
rtd_reference_r: 430
rtd_num_of_wires: 2
max_temp: 300
boreal marsh
odd dew
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I changed sensor_pin to gpio27, which is what TH0 would translate to according to this chart...same error.

median crane
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sensor type is wrong, and NOTHING from spi_software_* onwards should be there (that stuff is all for the max31865)

odd dew
median crane
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(oh, except max_temp at the very end. keep that)

odd dew
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ok..

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sensor type..

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its a 104NT..

median crane
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if its specifically a ATC Semitec 104NT-4-R025H42G, use that

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otherwise, Generic 3950

odd dew
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Where do I even see valid options to enter?

median crane
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the klipper docs, generally

low crescent
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sensor_type:

odd dew
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I have no idea what type it is, the jacket just says this...

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104NT-4

median crane
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I mean, its probably the ATC Semitec one then?

odd dew
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sure lets try.

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😮

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ohhhh shiza

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ITS ALIVEEE

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im terrified

median crane
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excuse me sir, are you aware that your mouse cursor is purple? 😛

odd dew
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😮

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woah

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well

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i should probably have endstops here eh

median crane
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eh. they'll turn up when you hit the button, iirc

odd dew
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errrr

median crane
odd dew
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the buttons?

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the printer is still on its side rn

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so i def shouldnt move anything

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it shouldnt move on its own at all right?

median crane
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and if you look just over to the top right of that panel, you do indeed see a refresh button...

odd dew
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oh that refresh button.

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i was hitting f5

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This is my first diy don't bully me

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I'm used to seeing enstops updating in realtime

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Ok all 3 end stops update properly

low crescent
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Onto the startup guide. Congratulations BTW!

median crane
odd dew
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Still so much to do after this. Gotta mount the light, screen, panels, cable manage....

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I should probably plug in the front of the SB now too

boreal marsh
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With power off!

odd dew
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yes

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and i have the misalignment protector installed

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The colors dont seem to adjust properly all the time

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odd

boreal marsh
odd dew
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my phone does not want to capture the voron logo

boreal marsh
# odd dew

Color order is probably wrong for the LEDs. Check your config and verify it’s GRBW

odd dew
boreal marsh
# odd dew

OH! Look at that led color selection window again. At the bottom is the controls for the white channel. Turn it off so that it’s just the RGB channels on.

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This is the white channel

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odd dew
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So just to make sure my stuff is wired up right, the bottom fan on the SB is the "part fan" and the top fan is automatically controlled by hotend temp right?

boreal marsh
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You had the right colors. Just the white was making them look like a different color. Lol

odd dew
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the "part fan" doesnt seem to move much air even at 100%

boreal marsh
odd dew
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oof

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i got them flipped then

boreal marsh
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Either swap the pin name in the config or turn off and swap where they are plugged in.

odd dew
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That would make more sense lmao

boreal marsh
# odd dew

Correct. You have them in the right place. But probably swapped where they are plugged in or pin names in config.

odd dew
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fixed

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ez

boreal marsh
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Bottom one is for keeping the heatsink on the hotend cold. Top on is for cooling the prints as you print.

odd dew
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this hotend temp climbs QUICK

boreal marsh
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Tiny mass. Lol.

odd dew
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Y does the same

low crescent
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Yeah, it should move 1mm and that looks close.

boreal marsh
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Sounds like coil whine. Completely normal. And the clicking is just it changing direction.

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You won’t notice it while printing. Just be hearing the movement of the printer instead.

odd dew
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Not a fan of this floppy toolhead cable.

boreal marsh
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That’s why I recommend running it up to the exhaust and down the back of the printer. Then you can zip tie it to the ptfe tube to hold it up.

odd dew
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I don't even have the panels in yet though

boreal marsh
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There’s a PUG exhaust cover for it as well. (You don’t need the panel for the exhaust cover to mount)

odd dew
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This exhaust?

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boreal marsh
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This is one of those times where you just take a leap of faith as well.

odd dew
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🥴

boreal marsh
# odd dew This exhaust?

The exhaust hole in is the panel. Most people end up not using that part in your hand because why would you want to remove hot air from inside the chamber.

odd dew
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The exhaust hole in is the panel?

boreal marsh
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Yea. There’s cutout on the top of the back panel. That’s the exhaust hole. Most use a cover for it to just run the toolhead umbilical and ptfe tube out.

odd dew
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ahhh..this again

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lol

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ive seen this before

boreal marsh
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All paths lead to PUG. hehe

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Or CPAP. Or both actually. 🤣

odd dew
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i actually have this on my qidi

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boreal marsh
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The little umbilical arm?

odd dew
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yep

boreal marsh
odd dew
boreal marsh
odd dew
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I have extra bearings just for that from the first one I made

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I had an issue where the steel wire pulled out of the toolhead side

boreal marsh
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I just don’t use the spring steel wires. Lol. Zip ties and ptfe tube are my support for the umbilical.

odd dew
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Fair enough

boreal marsh
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Okay. And the 250 might be cheating because it has a CPAP tube to support it as well. Lol

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odd dew
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THAT IS SEXYYYY

boreal marsh
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Thanks. That’s #1406666805249835219 if you ever wanna look more into that printer. Lol

odd dew
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I want those light bars

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looks like a nig club in there

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i also want that camera angle

boreal marsh
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That camera angle is my phone. 🤣. The led bars are custom designed by me. Not posted anywhere yet either. They are just aluminum c channel for LEDs with 144 pixels/m led strips.

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That printer is kinda my pride and joy. I spent a ton of time purely on aesthetics for it.

odd dew
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i sleep with a cpap so its funny seeing it in printers...

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how fast does that baby go to need cpap??

boreal marsh
boreal marsh
odd dew
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😮

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ive seen some very fast vzbots

boreal marsh
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How convenient that there’s a Goliath hotend in that printer. hehe

odd dew
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that means nothing to a normie like me

boreal marsh
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Goliath hotend is VZBot’s hotend. Lol.

odd dew
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oh

boreal marsh
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Yea. Lol. I just have it in a Voron.

odd dew
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Is there a printable index thing to help line the magnetic sheet up properly?

boreal marsh
odd dew
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I saw that but it didnt look right, maybe it is..

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which of these should I print?

boreal marsh
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odd dew
boreal marsh
odd dew
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I would like to use a braided sleeve but won't be right away

boreal marsh
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So print one the size (or close to it) of your cable thickness for now and then later on print another for +2mm or so.

odd dew
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Seems big brain

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My box turtle thinks there's 47g of filament left, this print is gonna take like 35...

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Let's see if we can do it

boreal marsh
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It’s a tiny bit of plastic. lol. And also this is why Vorons are so awesome. So many mods to be done. 😂

odd dew
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🤞

odd dew
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odd dew
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I will eventually but I wanna get it up and running before adding even more weight and making it harder to servic

sweet jasper
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Hows the healing going?

odd dew
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Seems ok so far

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Hoping it actually fixes the pain I was having

odd dew
#

Left inguinal hernia btw if u care to look it up lmao

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Got 3 incisions above my belly button where they stuck the davinci robot in

odd dew
#

I can't make heads or tails of it

boreal marsh
odd dew
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Not near it? Lol

#

So I need to remove the can cable from the z chain

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And run the cable...somewhere..

odd dew
#

Much better

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Now just have to figure out how long I need the PTFE and can cable

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Yes my Christmas tree is still up. Sue me

south plume
#

Doesn't really hurt to have a little extra anyways

south plume
jade citrus
#

and if you do cut it leave a good bit of extra

odd dew
jade citrus
odd dew
#

I think I'm missing the piece to secure the z chain to the gantry center

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wtf richard

median crane
#

And then the general instructions are there anyway, just for reference

odd dew
#

ahhh..ok

#

well, i think now is a good time to make sure my AB belts are properly tensioned with the phone app?

#

I did the manual/automatic moves to 350,350 and 0,0 but havent done QGL or adjusted Z yet

sweet jasper
odd dew
#

the directions want me to make sure the nozzle isnt over the bed at 0,0 but its hard to tell cause the Z is so far up

odd dew
#

I tried doing a z home and one of the corners started making a weird clicking noise so I hit the power switch. No idea why

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it was almost all the way down

low crescent
odd dew
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I'm used to an emmc which isn't so fragile

low crescent
#

I don’t think that is necessarily true and I would treat either the same way.

odd dew
#

hmm...

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well maybe ive just gotten lucky lmao

#

so....about the noise..

#

I should be able to home Z without doing QGL right? it falls first in the startup thing

sweet jasper
#

the steps should be covered in the startup guide. You would need to home Z first though

odd dew
#

omg discord mobile is being a POS

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yes im following the guide.

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i cant home z

sweet jasper
#

Can you manually lower the gantry (SLOWLY) any lower than that? The gantrey looks like it is really far off from level as well. Get your gantry close to level. and make sure the Z joints are slightly loose for this one.

#

And you confirmed motion on each Z stepper in order using stepper buzz?

odd dew
#

by turning off the motors and manually just pulling up on a corner or what

odd dew
sweet jasper
#

and they were all going in the same direction? I would triple check that

#

It looks like you have one side going up and the other going down. When you buzz the Z all should move in the same direction and back.

odd dew
#

All 4 corners first go up then back down.

#

Well

#

Well looks can be deceiving I guess

sweet jasper
#

You care about what direction the gantry moved

odd dew
#

moves?

sweet jasper
#

yes, when you buzz Z steppers it moves your gantry

odd dew
#

right

#

Z0 - CW
Z1 - CCW
Z2 - CW
Z3 - CCW

sweet jasper
#

Don't care about clockwise or not. Care about the direction the gantry moves. if it goes up in the corner and then down, it should do the same in each corner.

odd dew
#

alright then they all go up first then down.

sweet jasper
#

OK. now with the motors off, gently lower the gantry down lower than you have it now to make sure there isn't something stuck in a belt path

odd dew
#

by just..pushing on the sides..? or

sweet jasper
#

yep... slowly. do not force anything.

odd dew
#

Something isn't happy..

#

They all kinda seem to stop at the same height

#

is it possible to be "racked" in this direction too??

sweet jasper
#

Not really. What could be stopping it from moving down? you will need to inspect the Z drives. Have bolts instead of grubscrews or something?

odd dew
#

Well if its a z drive issue, it should also have issues going up

#

cause the motors rotate in a circle..

sweet jasper
#

so what would block them from going down?

odd dew
#

ghosts? demons?

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it wont let me go up cause its not homed

#

for testing

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it thinks its at Z 10

sweet jasper
#

don't worry about the Z 10. it has no clue where it is until it homes.

odd dew
#

well i found a way to make it go up lmao

#

if i just G28 X Y it moves up a bit

sweet jasper
#

Well yeah... Did you test the tap sensor for triggered?

odd dew
#

it has no problem going up

#

It doesnt even get low enough to hit the nozzle

sweet jasper
#

You have to manually move it and check the status turns from red to blue on the sensor.

odd dew
#

but yes if i push up on the toolhead, it does change to triggered.

#

by hand.

#

i did test that

sweet jasper
#

OK. so now, what could be blocking it from going down? You have stoppers in the z rails still?

odd dew
#

...

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fuck

#

yup

sweet jasper
#

Sometimes the answers can be easy 🙂

odd dew
#

tap works

#

hooray..

sweet jasper
#

LOL

odd dew
#

// probe accuracy results: maximum 0.087500, minimum 0.070000, range 0.017500, average 0.082750, median 0.083750, standard deviation 0.004535

#

ok SD on run 2 is better
// probe accuracy results: maximum 0.080000, minimum 0.067500, range 0.012500, average 0.076750, median 0.077500, standard deviation 0.003363

#

i wonder if the friction from the extra belts is causing issues on the side of the toolhead

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oh..would probably help if i had the screws holding the front cover on too

sweet jasper
#

make sure you adjust the magnets on the tap as discussed in the manual for it

odd dew
#

did that

#

loosened them, they snapped into place and i tightened

sweet jasper
#

Now check the tension of all of your Z belts. remember that after homing, you should be able to put moderate pressure up and down on the gantry corners without them moving very much

odd dew
#

I should probably test my bed heater too

sweet jasper
#

Follow the steps in the guide 🙂

odd dew
#

What should I do with this extra belt?

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that aint in the guide

sweet jasper
#

Cut it around here

image.png
odd dew
#

😳

#

what if i change carriers or something later that needs longer belts?

sweet jasper
#

Then leave them a little longer if you want

low crescent
#

You buy new belts.

sweet jasper
#

That will be more than plenty though.

odd dew
#

ok ok

#

I have a ton of extra z beltage

#

Ok so I home the printer then do probe_accuracy

First result is always higher: // probe accuracy results: maximum 0.110000, minimum 0.090000, range 0.020000, average 0.105750, median 0.107500, standard deviation 0.005706
2nd result is usually better
// probe accuracy results: maximum 0.105000, minimum 0.095000, range 0.010000, average 0.103000, median 0.105000, standard deviation 0.003122

I feel like a QGL would be needed for best results no?

#

Z belt tension seems good when pressing down on the gantry

sweet jasper
#

Run it a few more times and adjust the magnets again. Get everything settled

#

And make sure the bed screws are tight.

odd dew
#

It said to only tighten 1 screw fully to allow for heat expansion

#

bed heater is working

sweet jasper
#

I tighten 3

odd dew
#

little worrying but..

weak plaza
#

I have peek screws, I tighten 4 heh

sweet jasper
#

I have an 18mm thick bed, I tighten 4 hehe

odd dew
#

well i havent gotten nipped yet touching the printer with the ssr running so...hopefully that means my grounds are decent enough

sweet jasper
#

The grounds are there In case something goes wrong

odd dew
#

yes

weak plaza
odd dew
#

the bed actually did get hot impressively quick

sweet jasper
#

Might be close to qgl time

odd dew
#

have to pid tune hotend first

sweet jasper
#

Yep, but close

odd dew
#

yes

#

we do be getting close

#

i bave identified a must have...i need the SB lights to come on when FW boots

#

// probe accuracy results: maximum 0.135000, minimum 0.110000, range 0.025000, average 0.131000, median 0.132500, standard deviation 0.007176 bruhhh 0.07

#

whattttt

#

re-homed and re-ran, 0.04 now. Wild
// probe accuracy results: maximum 0.105000, minimum 0.087500, range 0.017500, average 0.100500, median 0.102500, standard deviation 0.004848

# 
17:31:59 
// probe at 175.000,175.000 is z=0.087500
17:32:00 
// probe at 175.000,175.000 is z=0.097500
17:32:01 
// probe at 175.000,175.000 is z=0.100000
17:32:03 
// probe at 175.000,175.000 is z=0.102500
17:32:03 
// probe at 175.000,175.000 is z=0.100000
17:32:04 
// probe at 175.000,175.000 is z=0.102500
17:32:05 
// probe at 175.000,175.000 is z=0.102500
17:32:06 
// probe at 175.000,175.000 is z=0.102500
17:32:07 
// probe at 175.000,175.000 is z=0.105000
17:32:08 
// probe at 175.000,175.000 is z=0.105000

Is this the "trending up" that it warns about?

sweet jasper
#

No, those are reasonable

odd dew
#

I unscrewed the screws holding the tap magnets, didnt hear anything and re-tightened them, no change

sweet jasper
#

Perfect. Keep trucking

odd dew
#

Even though im out of spec for the SD?

sweet jasper
#

Yes

#

It gets better with being used and the next steps are going to exercise it well

odd dew
#

running QGL

#

this takes a while eh

weak plaza
sweet jasper
#

First starting yes. You can speed it up as your accuracy goes up

odd dew
#

Alright well it stopped so im guessing that means its done

sweet jasper
#

What does the console say?

odd dew
# 
36:18 
// Making the following Z adjustments:
// stepper_z = 0.004500
// stepper_z1 = 0.000200
// stepper_z2 = -0.004500
// stepper_z3 = -0.000200
17:36:18 
// Retries: 4/10 Probed points range: 0.005000 tolerance: 0.007500
sweet jasper
#

Beautiful!

#

Move on to next steps

odd dew
#

did a mesh just for fun..

sweet jasper
#

That is an excellent mesh too

odd dew
#

w

#

bed is at 100, hotend at 150 rn

sweet jasper
#

Expected. Set them to 0 now

odd dew
#

Then re-run mesh? or just continue the steps

sweet jasper
#

Just continue. Should be getting close to slicer setup

odd dew
#

ok

#

Well I guess the "fun part" is over, now I gotta clean up cables, finish securing the z chain, put on the panels...the screen..

#

ehhh panels can come later lmao

sweet jasper
#

Only a few days past your original deadline. really good actually. LOL

odd dew
#

ive been using the printer feet to "roll" the printer on the table so i dont cross my lifting weight limit

#

I must be missing the slicer setup steps, not seeing those in the startup guide

weak plaza
odd dew
#

good to know

weak plaza
odd dew
#

I think I have to calibrate rotation distance still

ashen agate
#

probably print the rock n rolls

odd dew
ashen agate
#

also this thread fixed my leds 🎉

weak plaza
odd dew
ashen agate
#

i had the stealthburner leds configured wrong so they were always messed up but saw the answer in this thread this morning.

odd dew
#

W

#

now im trying to figure out how to make the LEDs turn purple automatically

weak plaza
#

just put that under whatever LEDs you want on at startup

odd dew
#

hellll yea

#

it worked ty

sweet jasper
odd dew
#

ope

#

can i get a red circle too

#

i thought that was the end

image.png
#

do I actually have to do the e-steps...or can i just use the values from the table lol

#

im a lazy mf

sweet jasper
sweet jasper
odd dew
#

I actually gotta put filament through this puppy 😮

#

feellin real

#

With the hotend at temperature, make a mark on the filament between the roll of filament and your extruder, between 120mm and 150mm away from the entrance to the extruder. Measure the distance from the entrance of the extruder to that mark.

Does this mean to stick the filament into the extruder, THEN make the mark

sweet jasper
#

Yes. You want to measure the filament extrusion. It needs to be engaged with the extruder gears before you make the mark

odd dew
#

roger

sweet jasper
#

Extruder needs to be hot before you can hit the extrude button too

odd dew
#

I just realized I dont HAVE a way of feeding filament into this thing for an actual print, unless i fed it straight from a dry box

sweet jasper
#

Nothing wrong with that. Loop it over the top extrusion

odd dew
#
  1. Calibrate e-steps
  2. Fit PTFE between toolhead and exhaust thingy
  3. Strap the PTFE and CAN cable together...
  4. Screen?
  5. Cable management
sweet jasper
#

I mean, I would skip the screen personally but that sounds about right

odd dew
#
  1. Panels...
  2. Find way to secure CAN cable outside chamber..
#

not a fan of screens?

sweet jasper
#

Screens are just one more thing to fiddle with to me. That webpage you are on works from your cell phone too hehe

odd dew
#

lmao

#

Ok so I made a mark 130mm up, extruded 100mm and the mark was now at 37.53mm up

#

so it extruded 92.47

#

making my new rotation distance 20.97122608217

#

does that seem feasible?

sweet jasper
#

The trick is to put that value into the printer config, save and restart button and do it a second time to check your work

odd dew
#

makes sense

#

im using side cutters to make my mark so its hard not to cut straight through the filament lmao

sweet jasper
#

It is one of the most important settings on the machine. Don’t hesitate to do it multiple times

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lol. I do it with the extruder off the toolhead. Cut it flush with the bottom of the extruder and then send 100mm, whatever is sticking out is the value extruded. Makes it so you don’t have to make marks

odd dew
#

my brain cant comprehend these basic things lmao

sweet jasper
#

Yet

odd dew
#

Ok so

#

I made a mark 120mm up

#

extruded 100

#

the mark is now 14.57mm from the top

#

So the amount it ACTUALLY extruded is... 100 - 14.57 = 85.43??

sweet jasper
#

105.43

odd dew
#

heh

odd dew
#

my brain doesnt like having to do inverses

sweet jasper
#

😂

odd dew
#

shhhhhiii

#

i accidentally cut the filament

#

Got 19.28 this time

#

but its hard to measure from the EXACT same spot every time

#

im gonna say its fineeee

sweet jasper
#

For your first run, it will be fine. You will want to revisit it when you have more patience. Then you can do it my way 😉

odd dew
#

Thinking I sleeve the can cable then zip tie the can cable and ptfe together

sweet jasper
#

Yep

odd dew
#

One concern I do have is when the toolhead moves, it'll pull the ptfe further into the ECAS coupler and won't be able to come back out

sweet jasper
#

If it is pulling more out, it needs more. You should be able to go to the front corners and maintain a gradual arc

odd dew
sweet jasper
#

Nah.

odd dew
#

Alright lol

sweet jasper
#

That fitting should be screwed in on the other side of the exhaust panel technically but it shouldn’t make a difference

odd dew
#

Seems like plenty of slack

#

I definitely need a nozzle wiper

sweet jasper
#

Not bad for the first time. Not like anyone would call @crude storm to check your umbilical

odd dew
#

😭💀

sweet jasper
crude storm
odd dew
#

Is there an easy test I can do to make sure my AB belts are perfectly even before cutting anything

sweet jasper
#

If they are evenly tensioned and the tensioners are similar on each side, they are going to be good to go

odd dew
#

thats the lowest ive ever gotten on a printer

sweet jasper
#

Told ya tap was awesome

odd dew
#

QGL takes FORRREEVERR tho

sweet jasper
#

You will be able to speed it up soon. Need you to get used to the machine first. Mine take less than 90 seconds. There are a few tricks to make it faster.

And what is 90 seconds when your preheat times are longer? Embrace simplicity. It can only get more complicated if you insist hehe

odd dew
#

yeah yeah

#

so next is slicer setup then first test print? 👀

boreal marsh
#

I mean. I’m more tempted to ignore wheels in the “what is 90 seconds” part even though he’s right. hehe

sweet jasper
#

Add this to your printer config between two macros

[gcode_macro QUAD_GANTRY_LEVEL]
rename_existing: BASE_QUAD_GANTRY_LEVEL
gcode:
    # Pass 1: Initial Coarse Leveling
    BASE_QUAD_GANTRY_LEVEL HORIZONTAL_MOVE_Z=10 RETRY_TOLERANCE=1
    # Pass 2: Fine Leveling and Accuracy
    BASE_QUAD_GANTRY_LEVEL HORIZONTAL_MOVE_Z=2
sweet jasper
boreal marsh
sweet jasper
sweet jasper
odd dew
#

yes lol

odd dew
sweet jasper
# odd dew Whats the difference?

It changes the qgl to a coarse and fine adjustment. So when you speed up, it is still accurate. I wanted it in there before you found that setting hehe

odd dew
#

oh lmao

sweet jasper
#

First pass just gets them to within 1mm of each other, second pass only moves 2mm in z

odd dew
boreal marsh
#

I do the same. Lol

sweet jasper
#

I have a whole server just for it and other things

boreal marsh
#

I just use whatever channel my pc has open.

odd dew
#

Should I be good to just use the default voron 2.4 350^3 profile from orca?

sweet jasper
#

Yup

odd dew
# 
[gcode_macro PRINT_START]
#   Use PRINT_START for the slicer starting script - please customise for your slicer of choice
gcode:
    G32                            ; home all axes
    G1 Z20 F3000                   ; move nozzle away from bed

this feels..lacking lmao

cloud emberBOT
sweet jasper
#

I wonder if it is time

#

Guess so!

odd dew
#

ahhhh shiiie

#

I dont have a chamber temp sensor yet..

#

ill be stealing it from the E3D V6 and extending it to become chamber temp

sweet jasper
#

You can comment out the temperature wait line for now

odd dew
#

I do have a nevermore, but was advised to do bed fans instead

sweet jasper
#

Whoever told you that qualifies for genius

odd dew
#

Wonder who it couldve been

sweet jasper
#

@lofty oasis?

odd dew
#

It does seem kinda weird that I dont wanna detox the air tho

south plume
odd dew
south plume
#

You shouldn't be running at 100%

#

Bed heater

sweet jasper
sweet jasper
odd dew
# 
  ##  Uncomment for bed mesh (1 of 2 for bed mesh)
  #BED_MESH_CLEAR                                       # Clear old saved bed mesh (if any)

dont I want bed mesh...?

sweet jasper
#

By the letter of the spec sheet, no, but this has been gone over for quite a few years now. It is fine

sweet jasper
odd dew
#

so, yes

south plume
sweet jasper
#

If you want to mesh, uncomment that one and the second one

sweet jasper
south plume
sweet jasper
# south plume ...why?

Because our duty cycle is so low, it doesn’t actually raise the ssr into de-rating territory

south plume
#

Why didn't anyone say that when I was building my printer :(

#

Lol

sweet jasper
#

You can always go adjust it. 😂

#

We have tests in 24p and 120 land and are talking 2-5 degrees above ambient

odd dew
# 
gcode:
  # This part fetches data from your slicer. Such as bed, extruder, and chamber temps and size of your printer.
  {% set target_bed = params.BED|int %}
  {% set target_extruder = params.EXTRUDER|int %}
  3{% set target_chamber = params.CHAMBER|default("45")|int %}
  #{% set target_chamber_minimal = params.CHAMBER_MINIMAL|default("0")|int %}
  #{% set target_chamber_wait = [target_chamber, target_chamber_minimal]|select(">", 0)|min|default(0) %}
  {% set x_wait = printer.toolhead.axis_maximum.x|float / 2 %}
  {% set y_wait = printer.toolhead.axis_maximum.y|float / 2 %}

Just comment out chamber stuff?

sweet jasper
odd dew
#

I just dont want it waiting for a temp on a non-existent sensor

sweet jasper
#

Still set chamber parameters in the slicer filament settings just like you had one. Then when you add it, you willl be ready to go

odd dew
#

alright cool

sweet jasper
odd dew
#

oh here
#TEMPERATURE_WAIT SENSOR="temperature_sensor chamber" MINIMUM={target_chamber_wait} # Waits for chamber temp

#

Its updating the SB LEDs, but I dont have the macros its trying to call such as STATUS_HOMING

sweet jasper
#

Then you can comment out those lines

odd dew
#

but...

#

i want it to update..

#

are those macros available anywhere?

lofty oasis
#

In the SB Github

sweet jasper
#

In the stealthburner GitHub

odd dew
#

oh i figured it was custonm

south plume
lofty oasis
#

There's also an LED Effects version if you want to be gucci

south plume
sweet jasper
#

LED effects just shouldn’t be used

south plume
ashen agate
#

i like my living room dark and mildly noisy

odd dew
lofty oasis
odd dew
#

ok fine..ill wait till i get a cm4

south plume
#

I mean you can try it

sweet jasper
#

You like timer too close errors? Thats how you get them

south plume
#

Just maybe don't use it with a 12h print

lofty oasis
sweet jasper
south plume
sweet jasper
#

We should probably shitpost less and start harassing our newest printer for when serial

odd dew
#

Is it just using the stock G28? is that why I dont see one defined separately?

south plume
sweet jasper
odd dew
#

ah..we cant have that..

#

we need STATUS_HOMING in there somewhere.

sweet jasper
sweet jasper
south plume
odd dew
#

no fun in that

south plume
odd dew
#

is it time..?

#

time?

sweet jasper
#

That’s not a dinoclip

sweet jasper
odd dew
#

I smell catastropic failure incoming

sweet jasper
#

Did you set your z offset?

odd dew
#

Uhhhh

#

Nope

#

Well

#

yes?

sweet jasper
#

Skipped a step in the startup guide?

odd dew
# 
#*# [probe]
#*# z_offset = -0.800
#

I did the paper thing

sweet jasper
#

Cool. Full send

odd dew
#

and I did it hot so I added an extra 0.01

#

even though that caused the paper to rip when i pulled it out

sweet jasper
#

It will be ok, you are better off starting a bit too close and then backing off. It’s like a slice in golf. Gotta go the other way and work back to the middle

odd dew
#

ok

south plume
#

Though paper for the first run isn't bad or anything

odd dew
#

Yeah but even with beacon you gotta do some manual calibration too

south plume
#

You have beacon?

sweet jasper
#

Beacon sucks

south plume
sweet jasper
sweet jasper
odd dew
#

It hasn't committed suicide yet

#

...yet

sweet jasper
#

Well, you built it from a pile of parts. Everything is common and off the shelf. You can fix it if it goes sideways

odd dew
#

I think it's just soaking right now

#

Looks like it

Screenshot_20260428_201159_Chrome.jpg
sweet jasper
#

Probably. I removed that section from the macro.

odd dew
#

I also hate knowing what the printer is doing hehe

#

They hot glue mold turned out great

#

That*

sweet jasper
#

It becomes so commonplace that I don’t even watch them start.

sweet jasper
odd dew
#

For the voron logo in the sb

sweet jasper
odd dew
#

Maybe someone else sent me it

#

Whaaat

#

Ur joking right lmao

sweet jasper
#

The glue will become mobile as the chamber temps start going up. I had it leak down into the fan, the duct, and the tap. Glued them all together and crashed the gantry so hard it broke parts.

Not joking.

odd dew
#

💀 wtf

sweet jasper
#

Not a problem with the panels off, but don’t put them on

odd dew
#

Whoever recommended that to me needs public execution then

#

It seemed like a good alternative to spending $20 on a roll of clear filament

south plume
odd dew
#

I don't have white ASA or anything higher temp

south plume
#

Well it wouldn't hurt to have white abs on hand

sweet jasper
#

#voron_tap message

odd dew
#

Christ

sweet jasper
#

Leave it with no diffuser vs hot glue unless you are only going to run PLA ever

odd dew
#

It's fine until I put panels on at least right

sweet jasper
#

Yeah. Past 60 it shouldn’t be there. I would even trust the high temp hot glue

south plume
odd dew
#

The B belt keeps slapping against the extrusion during high speeds

sweet jasper
#

Tighten it a little. It can be done while running

odd dew
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Aight

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See, if you had your Reddit username, discord username and the date on a piece of paper, that could be a serial video

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😭💀

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It’s still running, right? 😂

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Yes

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The qidi discord is plotting my downfall

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So of a bitch IMMEDIATELY after sending that my print broke free from the build plate

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So, it sounds like it is time to tune your z offset and make sure the plate is clean.

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Welllll I gave it the IPA wipe down..

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Yeah yeah

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VFAs go crazy

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Would've been boring if it worked the first time

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Textured plates are hard mode. Smooth sheets or bare steel and glue are so easy to tune

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You just need it in the post title according to the subreddit instructions

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I would put it on the paper too for completeness

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Doesn't hurt

odd dew
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Ehhhh

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You will not be the last

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sweet jasper
# odd dew VFAs go crazy

You don’t care about those right now. You still need to work on belt tensions, first layer, and so on

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That ^ I was more asking out of curiosity

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its the same PETG profile from my other printer

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You might want to halve those 10ks for a little bit until you break in the machine

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Yeah that's a bit high for now

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Though eventually you should be able to get it higher than that by a fair margin

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hopefully that for now stands true, i got this thing to go zoom zoom, def dont want it to be SLOWER than my other printer

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good good..

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odd dew
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god damn

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I have A4T and am running the motors at 1A though so ymmv

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Zoom zoom comes quickly. You just don’t want to be frustrated working up to it

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fair enough

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i scrubbed both sides with dawn/water

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sitting in the dish rack drying rn

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I'm too impatient

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I try to keep normal runs at 300 for most speeds and 14k. I can always speed it up, but I have to have reliable machines

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Oh yeah I should say my outer walls run at 5k accel though

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7500 on outer so similar. That is the only place it matters as long as the hardware can handle what you push on the inner parts of the print

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So first step is z offset

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Search my name and nasa fabric. I walk through a simple way to live tune that forces you to get to close to the bed and creep back up to perfect

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on...youtube? xvids? discord?

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The hub

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sweet jasper
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Did you pick that from IS or just from printing?

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sweet jasper
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I meant I picked 5k because it was about the max suggested by IS

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So should I do 4x4 to start..?

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sweet jasper
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What mods do you have?

sweet jasper
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Oh right rigid z is one

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Rigid z is the only real mod aside from a ton of insulation, bed fans, A4T and some qol

odd dew
sweet jasper
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Will rigid z make a 2.5k difference?

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sheeesh 3 hour print

sweet jasper
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odd dew
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Ok so print it, watch it while its doing the hexagon outlines, babystep it down... 0.01 at a time? until the hexes touch, then come back up..?

sweet jasper
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I what

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oh ok

sweet jasper
sweet jasper
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Fair

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Perhaps I enjoy chasing unicorns too much heh

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You will have that loose screw fall out on its own before you just randomly find it. It’s called 3d printing, not worrying about an acceleration number that limits less than 10% of the print. until you run out of stuff to fix on the other 90%, you have a high probability of chasing your tail instead of unicorns

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It would appear I need to enable gcode arcs..

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cause its spamming unknown command g2/g3 in console lmao

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Disable them in the slicer. There is a greater chance of ttc errors with them on

odd dew
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They get automatically enabled depending on z hop setting too so what z hop do u use

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Not near a machine to get a value you for you, but I do know you want to disable the arcs.

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Nvm it was my wifi takin a dump

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# odd dew Nvm it was my wifi takin a dump

So you know why to disable the arcs, klipper converts them to lines anyway, so you waste the CPU’s power for zero gain. Start doing a lot with the cpu and it can cause errors on low powered devices

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Where paper >:(

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sweet jasper
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The nozzle is too close to the bed?

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Oh yeah

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Ah..

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Welp lmao

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There should be a gap between them

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Looks like it's printing with hot glue lmao

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Use coarser moves at first to get it close

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Toolhead is so big it's hard to see how close their are together around it

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They are*

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Yeah, I know. It can take an attempt or two to get into the reasonable zone. Also helps to slow WAY down, like 20mm/s while you are doing it. Gives more time for your changes to become apparent

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Think we're getting there

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Also, it looks like the devils filament