playing around with an advanced anti-air mech
#Cloudsweeper
spiral dust
Why would you ever use the first one over the second one? The second one is far better suited to an actual AA role
dark holly
Heat sinks
spiral dust
Statement still stands. One is horribly oversunk, and the other is undersunk. And even then you can just alternate fire for the second one to get more longevity out of your AA weapons
dark holly
I was playing around with HAG 30s but they are partially in the side torsp and wasn't sure how that works with AES
spiral dust
I mean the HAG20s are fine. Youve just got a lot of tonnage in short range weaponry that doesnt even serve as good bracket firing
dark holly
a bit of an issue with crit space
spiral dust
Yeah. I can see you went crit min maxing.
dark holly
was kind of forced into it when I used ferro lam
spiral dust
Honestly switching all of the first ones secondaries to ERMLs would do fine on its own. Youd be a little undersunk at that point, but only if firing all the lasers.
Hmm. You might actually be underweight at that point.
spiral dust
Hmm. You should only be 3 under.
4 ermls weigh 4 tons
2 mpls weigh 4 tons
2 erspls weigh 3 tons
spiral dust
removing other weapons and adding er larges
Yeah. This would work.
Fire 2 ERLLs 1 turn, then 1 plus the HAGs the next. Youd never exceed 5 heat over.
Or just fire the ERLL and the HAGs if the target is particularly annoying
dark holly
an effective design?
dark holly
Anti-acraft targeting, and AeS against aircrarft is -2 for the ER Larges, and the HAG at a further -2 leads to a -4 for them
spiral dust
Actually, HAG IIRC gets a full -3 versus air
dark holly
so a -6 total?
spiral dust
Which would be -6 total
dark holly
ouch
spiral dust
Yeah. Actual AA weapons with AA targeting get incredibly potent incredibly quickly
dark holly
HAG 40 anti-aircraft design
Assuming that the AES still works
I like too much that I can flip arms
if I swap to ferro fibrous I open up 4.5 tons
leaden field
playing around with an advanced anti-air mech
Swap to 2cerll 2hag
dark holly
ended up doing that
leaden field
Move the cerll into the arms if you can
leaden field
That isn't is tech
leaden field
removing other weapons and adding er larges
Add jjs
dark holly
dark holly
leaden field
Lap is decent
dark holly
it was a spare half ton, it was basically that or er small
dark holly
it's roll is a better Anti-air platform
leaden field
Ok but someone somewhere is going to deploy it in general use
dark holly
it'll do better than a Rifleman
and even if it is deploted it will still do considerable damage
hallow sedge
Why does your IS mech have Clan weapons
Especially when Silver Bullet Gauss is a thing and way better for AA
dark holly
Never seen rules for Silver Bullet Gauss Rifle
hallow sedge
Never seen rules for Silver Bullet Gauss Rifle
It's a Gauss LBX
Always fires 15 point cluster
spiral dust
Why does your IS mech have Clan weapons
Especially when Silver Bullet Gauss is a...
HAG is as good if not better than SBG
hallow sedge
HAG is as good if not better than SBG
HAG is 5 point clusters
That's 4 chances to lawn dart from a HAG20, 8 for a HAG40
Silver Bullet is 15 one damage hits
spiral dust
Silver Bullet is 15 one damage hits
Umm. You only get 1 lawn dart check
If you take ANY dmg its a lawn dart check
Exception is criticals which require you to pierce DT, which 1 point wont do on nost anything
The only thing SBG is better at AA wise is against VTOLs
spiral dust
Silver Bullet is 15 one damage hits
Also you still roll cluster on SBG
leaden field
Inner sphere can't reliably replace hag en masse
Silver bullet is the inner sphere version
hallow sedge
Umm. You only get 1 lawn dart check
my bad
hallow sedge
The only thing SBG is better at AA wise is against VTOLs
that
leaden field
Since the weapon idea was scrapped
It's not actually all that uncommon
spiral dust
It's not actually all that uncommon
Its a prototype weapon with fairly low availability.
leaden field
It's still not an inner sphere weapon
Itd be better to do something with lbx or flak or something
spiral dust
It's still not an inner sphere weapon
This clearly isnt an IS craft
leaden field
He labeled a variant as IS
spiral dust
Yes. But with the amount of clan tech in it, its not an 'IS' craft. Or if it is, its built late enough clan tech is readily available
leaden field
That's kinda my point
It's hardly an is variant if it's still pretty much all clantech
spiral dust
For AAA?
Having an advantage only against specifically VTOLs is not that big of an advantage. Especially since there are other targets an AA fighter would probably prefer shooting at. Like other fighters
Since engaging a VTOL makes it highly susceptible to being shot at by other fighters [and possibly lawn darting]
Now for a ground based AA, sure. But at that point just use an LB10. Which is far easier to aquire.
hallow sedge
Having an advantage only against specifically VTOLs is not that big of an advant...
AA Fighter?
This is a mech
spiral dust
Oh my bad. I got my conversations mixed up
The problem here is two SBGs would be another 10 tons
Since HAG 20s are 5 tons lighter
SBG also takes an extra crit slot. Mind you youd probably get that by trading out the ERLLs
Ah. The last build also has 3 spare crits
hallow sedge
SBG also takes an extra crit slot. Mind you youd probably get that by trading ou...
Yeah the energy would get downgraded
Maybe LPPCs?
5 point hits are fine for AA
spiral dust
Yeah the energy would get downgraded
It couldnt just get downgraded. Youd need 10 extra tons. Which would probably come from having to drop the lasers entirely
Youd basically be just two SBGs and thats it
And now you have no real capability to scare fighters outside of control rolls
At the cost of 4 range and 10 potential dmg, you could switch to twin LB10s and gain 8 tons back. Which could be used for something like 2 LPPCs and 2 ERMLs.
Which would cover your lost potential dmg.