Blackfire
Base Tech Level: Advanced Mixed (Base Clan)
Level Era
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Experimental 3067-3079 (Civil War to Jihad)
Advanced 3080+ (Jihad -)
Standard -
Tech Rating: F/X-X-E-D
Weight: 40 tons
BV: 900
Cost: 7,157,827 C-bills
Source: (Unknown)
Movement: 5/8/10
Engine: 200 XL
Double Heat Sinks: 10 [23]
Cockpit: Standard Cockpit
Gyro: Standard Gyro
Internal: 67
Armor: 116/137 (Standard)
Internal Armor
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Head 3 9
Center Torso 12 16
Center Torso (rear) 5
Right Torso 10 13
Right Torso (rear) 3
Left Torso 10 13
Left Torso (rear) 3
Right Arm 6 10
Left Arm 6 10
Right Leg 10 17
Left Leg 10 17
Weapons Loc Heat
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Heavy Machine Gun LA 0
Heavy Machine Gun LA 0
Heavy Machine Gun LA 0
Heavy Machine Gun CT 0
Heavy Machine Gun RA 0
Heavy Machine Gun LA 0
Heavy Machine Gun RA 0
Heavy Machine Gun RA 0
Heavy Machine Gun RA 0
Heavy Machine Gun LA 0
Heavy Machine Gun RA 0
Heavy Machine Gun CT 0
Ammo Loc Shots
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Heavy Machine Gun Ammo [Full] RT 100
Heavy Machine Gun Ammo [Full] LT 100
Equipment Loc
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Partial Wing RT/LT
ECM Suite HD
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ocean blaze
vestal orbit
Holy hell lol
Id been tinkering witha 50t, using xxl (eeew)
This is much better and scarier lol
vestal orbit
That's what, 36 on a full alpha
vestal orbit
If you can get in behind, not a lot of mechs have anywhere near that kind of armor
ocean blaze
with that mobility, that wont be a problem
vestal orbit
with about 16 shots for all of them
That should be plenty for most engagements
This is basically exactly what I had in mind, though i was trying to go too heavy i think
I wonder how it would do, if properly supported/screened for
ocean blaze
i have my own numbers for what you should aim for in terms of mobility type, engine type, and either target weight or speed if you want to see it
vestal orbit
Id love to
ocean blaze
ill dm you it, but its a physical paper, but ill post the summarized points
vestal orbit
There's nothing on there that's even complicated or fancy either, which is nice
Oh, I see, there's no need to do anything special
ocean blaze
this is the build if i use proto-i-JJ
Blackfire
Base Tech Level: Experimental Mixed (Base Clan)
Level Era
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Experimental 3067+ (Civil War -)
Advanced -
Standard -
Extinct 3069+
Tech Rating: F/X-X-F-X
Weight: 40 tons
BV: 969
Cost: 6,287,027 C-bills
Source: (Unknown)
Movement: 5/8/10
Engine: 200 XL
Double Heat Sinks: 10 [23]
Cockpit: Standard Cockpit
Gyro: Standard Gyro
Internal: 67
Armor: 116/137 (Standard)
Internal Armor
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Head 3 9
Center Torso 12 16
Center Torso (rear) 5
Right Torso 10 13
Right Torso (rear) 3
Left Torso 10 13
Left Torso (rear) 3
Right Arm 6 10
Left Arm 6 10
Right Leg 10 17
Left Leg 10 17
Weapons Loc Heat
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Heavy Machine Gun LA 0
Heavy Machine Gun LA 0
Heavy Machine Gun LA 0
Heavy Machine Gun CT 0
Heavy Machine Gun RA 0
Heavy Machine Gun LA 0
Heavy Machine Gun RA 0
Heavy Machine Gun RA 0
Heavy Machine Gun RA 0
Heavy Machine Gun LA 0
Heavy Machine Gun RA 0
Heavy Machine Gun CT 0
Heavy Machine Gun LT 0
Heavy Machine Gun LT 0
Heavy Machine Gun RT 0
Heavy Machine Gun LT 0
Heavy Machine Gun RT 0
Heavy Machine Gun RT 0
Ammo Loc Shots
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Heavy Machine Gun Ammo [Full] RT 100
Heavy Machine Gun Ammo [Full] LT 100
Heavy Machine Gun Ammo [Full] RT 100
Equipment Loc
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Partial Wing RT/LT
ECM Suite HD
thats 18 HMG, or 54 alpha damage
and still 16 shots each
and only gaining 69 BV in the process
quiet quartz
this is the build if i use proto-i-JJ
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Blackfire
Base Tech Level: Experimenta...
Pirahna, but beeeg
Now set them all to rapid fire
vestal orbit
Lol
vestal orbit
Is this a mech you'd consider semi-regularly/regularly fielding?
Jesus, 2erml ersl and twelve MGs lol
vestal orbit
I made one that's 5/8/10 that's got 16 cMG and 4 cERML
So, throwing 1.5t of ammo, which is 300pt of damage into side torsos feels like a bad idea, but the arms seems like a worse one
I took out the lower arm and hand actuators, which makes the arms semi-turrets
quiet quartz
Is this a mech you'd consider semi-regularly/regularly fielding?
Imo, no
void kernel
If it had MG arrays, I might, but not as it is
quiet quartz
If it had MGA's I'd double not use it
Because MGA's suck
But it's more than it's a really limited design that's still a medium mech even if it goes 10 jump, its threat range is literally 2
ocean blaze
I don't like arrays, they take up weight and makes them cluster weapons, meaning that even if it is possible to auto hit, there will still be some that miss, it could've been another MG or ammo.
ocean blaze
Is this a mech you'd consider semi-regularly/regularly fielding?
I might field a few, but not in any meaningful numbers, yes it can dish out damage in clusters, but it's a niche design
quiet quartz
I don't like arrays, they take up weight and makes them cluster weapons, meanin...
MGAs take away the main "advantage" of MG spam which is the ungodly number of rolls you get to hit
vestal orbit
MGAs take away the main "advantage" of MG spam which is the ungodly number of ro...
The flavor of MGAs makes them sound good. I'm surprised they're terrible. I'd hate rolling 18 hit rolls every turn. And I'm pretty sure any living player would too
Even using cMGs instead of cHMGs makes it 6, but drops the damage down by 33%, it's still dubious
quiet quartz
On the one hand, you're absolutely right, it does suck, but if you brought a Piranha/MG Spammer, you brought it, aside from turning infantry in fine paste, because you're a fan of rolling a lot to hit. MGAs take more weight to roll less and just, become a trashy SRM pack
vestal orbit
Making a Piranha 45t and giving it 4 cERML with a cECM, and the rest cMGs (16, with 2t ammo) with that 5/8/10 looks more viable
Eventually you will take a hit though, and then: dead
If you have 200mg ammo in an arm, and that arm is destroyed (not blown off), obviously it blows up, does it take the side torso with it?
uncut swift
If you have 200mg ammo in an arm, and that arm is destroyed (not blown off), o...
depends on whether the arms are CASEd
quiet quartz
If you have 200mg ammo in an arm, and that arm is destroyed (not blown off), o...
With CASE, no, without, yes
ocean blaze
And any location on a clan mech, even the arms, legs, and head, automatically gets case if they have explosive components
vestal orbit
And any location on a clan mech, even the arms, legs, and head, automatically ge...
I didn't know it was all clan designs, I thought it was just Omni's
Err I guess all modern clan mechs are omnis...
ocean blaze
Nope, unless a certain year of a clan mech says so, then ANY location is automatically equipped with CASE for free