#Schism Remote Guided Missile

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mental forge
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Base Tech Level: Advanced (IS)
Level                Era                                
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Experimental         2100-3144 (Age of War to Dark Ages)
Advanced             3145+ (Dark Ages -)                
Standard             -                                  
Tech Rating: C/X-X-X-E

Weight: 15 tons
BV: 42
Cost: 295,781 C-bills
Source: (Unknown)
Role: Ambusher

Movement: 16/24 (VTOL)
Engine: Fuel Cell
BAR Rating: 2

Internal: 10
Armor: 0 (BAR 2 Armor)
       Internal  Armor    
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Front      2       0      
Right      2       0      
Left       2       0      
Rear       2       0      
Rotor      2       0      

Equipment                        Loc  
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Booby Trap                        BD  
Drone (Remote) Operating System   BD

Without an engine rating, it deals 16 x 15 = 240 damage, making it more weight efficient per damage than a Cruise Missile 120, you can also buy 10 of them for the unmodified price of a CM/120 launcher.

So really it's just a better cruise missile, assuming it doesn't get shot before it can go off, though its high speed will help with that.

glacial spire
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Cost is worse, though the logistical advantage of the reduced mass would almost certainly negate that on DropShips (to say nothing of the launcher)

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Are you familiar with the Bullet Suicide Drone?

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Also, while there are canon examples, I think it’s unreasonable to have not even BAR 2 armor. At least enough for incidental damage.

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For perspective, basic steel plating is around BAR 5

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And most civilian cars are BAR 3/4

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Oh, and that is much slower than a cruise missile

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Converted to thirty-meter hexes, Cruise Missiles in flight travel at a speed of 80

glacial spire
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Plus the primary strength of Cruise Missiles is the massive blast radius, rather than the raw damage

mental forge
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Well, then the Booby Trap has the same blast radius as a CM/90, albeit with steeper damage dropoff, counteracted by its higher raw damage.

CM/90 damage is 90/65/40/15

CM/120 is 120/95/70/45/20

The damage of this thing is 240/120/60/30.

mental forge
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The Bullet's booby trap deals half as much damage, and it's more expensive (accounting for ammo, at least), but it has an SRM 2, and uses aerospace velocity rules... so a hell of a lot faster.

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Base Tech Level: Advanced (IS)
Level                Era                                
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Experimental         2100-3144 (Age of War to Dark Ages)
Advanced             3145+ (Dark Ages -)                
Standard             -                                  
Tech Rating: C/X-X-X-E

Weight: 15 tons
BV: 45
Cost: 362,625 C-bills
Source: (Unknown)

Movement: 17/26 (VTOL)
Engine: Fuel Cell
BAR Rating: 2

Internal: 10
Armor: 0 (BAR 2 Armor)
       Internal  Armor    
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Front      2       0      
Right      2       0      
Left       2       0      
Rear       2       0      
Rotor      2       0      

Equipment                        Loc  
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Recon Camera                      FR  
Booby Trap                        BD  
Drone (Remote) Operating System   BD

I've also made a version with a Recon Camera and 1 extra MP allowing it to theoretically do some spotting before it blows up, and increasing its damage to 17 x 15 = 255/128/64/32, the extra tonnage was gained by increasing its structure rating from D to F.

This also makes it a good deal more expensive, you can only buy 8 of these for the unmodified price of a CM/120 launcher.

glacial spire
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Does a Recon Camera actually provide an advantage here? I thought that just allowed you to ignore a malus from firing weapons while spotting

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Well, in tabletop rules. You could also just have it for flavor or something

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Wait, no, it does matter

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Furthermore, the +1 modifier for the spotting unit making attacks also applies if the drone control unit makes its own attacks in the same turn (a +2 modifier applies if both the spotting drone and the drone control unit make attacks in the same turn as they are used to spot for indirect fire).

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So the Recon Camera allows the drone control unit to attack without a penalty

mental forge
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Schism Remote Guided Missile

mental forge
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Schism Remote Guided Missile
Support Vehicle (VTOL)

Base Tech Level: Experimental (IS)
Tech Rating: C/X-X-X-E
Earliest Tech Date: 2100 (Age of War)

Availability  Era                          
Prototype     -                            
Production    3145+ (Dark Ages and onwards)
Common        -                            

Cost: 384,375 C-bills
Source: (Unknown)

Weight: 15 tons
BV: 49
Role: Ambusher

Movement: 20/30 (VTOL)
Engine: Fusion

Internal: 10
Armor: 0 (BAR 2 Armor)

       Internal  Armor    
Front      2       -2     
Right      2       0      
Left       2       0      
Rear       2       0      
Rotor      2       0      

Equipment                        Loc  
Booby Trap                        BD  
Drone (Remote) Operating System   BD  
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This thing deals 300 damage with its Booby Trap, and is probably more cost-effective than attempting offensive deployment of a Cruise Missile.

peak flax
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Right, but booby traps are busted, and have no BV value.

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I'm open to the concept, but I'd never make one that does that much damage.

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Also, you'll really want to devote some tonnage to an Angel ECM set to counter enemy ECM.

mental forge
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Yeah, fair, Booby Traps really should have BV.

woven breach
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Pretty expensive

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Much more than a capital missile

mental forge
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Capital Missile, maybe, Cruise Missile, eeehhh.

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Each one is only a little more expensive than a Cruise Missile 120 launcher.

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Dealing more than twice the damage with a slightly smaller blast radius.

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And a single CM/120 missile costs 140,000 C-bills, so the price lines up there too.

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And then you take into account that these are much easier and cheaper to deploy offensively than any Cruise Missile will ever be.

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Even a Killer Whale only does 40 ground-scale damage, not 300.

tardy rock
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Cruise missiles are at minimum 50 aoe and have 50 mapsheets of range and can't be countered by ecm

mental forge
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Drones controlled by an Aerospace DRCCS have uh, a range of ~6 million map sheets.

tardy rock
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Your system costs as much as you one of my drones and my drone carrier combined

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Your system also costs as much as two thumper artillery pieces and two tons of ammo

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And only does 20 aoe

mental forge
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What?

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WDYM only 20?

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It does 300 damage to things it shares a hex with.

tardy rock
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Really? I haven't read the booby trap rules in a while

mental forge
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It's kinda busted on Support Vees, honestly.

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For things that use Engine Rating, it deals damage equal to Engine Rating.

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On things that don't use Engine Rating, I.E. Support Vees, it deals damage equal to its Cruising Speed x its Tonnage.

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20 x 15 = 300.

tardy rock
mental forge
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And half that for each hex away from the hex it was in when it exploded.

mental forge
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So this thing deals 300/150/75/37.5 damage in its blast radius.

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That's why I compare it to a Cruise Missile.

tardy rock
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It may actually just be a rendering issue

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I mean the jeep has an engine rating and it's only 5 tons

mental forge
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Strange.

tardy rock
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Maybe not?

tardy rock
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Have you considered using ammunition to augmented a standard vee

mental forge
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What do you mean?

tardy rock
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I mean

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Mg ammo does 800

mental forge
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Well, ammo explosions being able to deal damage to nearby units is an optional rule from Tactical Operations.

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Also the wording from that rule implies that the ammo explosion has to be caused by the ammo being crit, not just the unit being destroyed.

tardy rock
mental forge
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I'm not sure if the Booby Trap works that way.

tardy rock
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It does in universe

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Look up the buffalo

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They filled one up with ammo and drove it into a building

mental forge
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Huh, well alright then.

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Though this thing lacks any leftover tonnage for Cargo.

round loom
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would it make sense to use some kind of cheap wheeled vehicle for the carrier? i mean it doesn't have to be super armoured since it's sitting in the back, and if you're worried about it just park a hunchback next to it for a nice 9 hex bubble of warding off light mechs. it would be cheaper in BV and also a bit more realistic as a drone command vehicle.

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plus if it looks kinda like a logistics truck it's easier to hide from a fluff perspective

mental forge
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Yeah, precisely something like that.

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DRCCS has a range of 160 map sheets, so it doesn't have to be even be within artillery range to the front lines.

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and these things are also Fusion powered, so it's not like they'll run out of fuel, they don't need a transport to carry them far.

tardy rock
woven breach
tardy rock
glacial spire
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That design is canon, admittedly, but I don't like that rule in general on that basis

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To my mind ammo explosions shouldn't be able to engulf a thirty-meter hex like that

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And the idea that CASE, which directs the explosion outside the unit, eliminates the damage is absurd

tardy rock
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Much less 30-60

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Ammo explosions are spectacular

glacial spire
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I thought they were a lot more concentrated than purpose-built explosives

tardy rock
glacial spire
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OK, I'll be honest, my main complaint about it is that it completely screws over swarming infantry

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The rest is just motivated reasoning, even if I stand by it

tardy rock
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Swarming is already suicidal