CZN gooner gang godz only

[feral schooner]

[hasty hearth]

[hallow trout]

we gotta take Miracle to Vegas

visit Mega on the way

[hasty hearth]

id rather not go to a party with end where hes gonna make me take out a bank loan to play slots

ill live under a bridge by the end of the night

[hallow trout]

[hallow trout]

nah you'll hit big and be free

[hasty hearth]

remind me how ur last trip to vegas went again

[hallow trout]

I should have listened to Keripo and Tim tho on ASTS if I did i could probably retire by now

and just continue being a degen gacha addict and still live comfy

[hasty hearth]

pretty sure if u werent such a gambling degen

u couldve retired years ago

[hallow trout]

I'm not compromising on gacha

probably gonna be why I can't settle down

[hasty hearth]

end just needs a spouse that's as much of a gambling addict as he is

[feral schooner]

[hallow trout]

nah we'd both be living under the bridge with you then

unless we just never retire

[hasty hearth]

what u mean she will be a private jet owner like urself

[hallow trout]

is that a 2x ssr

[feral schooner]

gamblers never retire

you keep gambling

[hallow trout]

[hasty hearth]

true

[feral schooner]

[hasty hearth]

its not 1% or whatever the rate is

it's 50-50

u hit it or u dont

[hallow trout]

[hasty hearth]

marry @half mica now u can enable each other further

[feral schooner]

[half mica]

Not gay if it’s with the homies

[hallow trout]

[hallow trout]

wait what bait you even playing rn. you still coping in wwm?

[half mica]

Yeah it’s still fun and playing random steam games

Nothing interesting so far

Or upcoming

[hallow trout]

kings raid

[hasty hearth]

[hallow trout]

need to recruit

[hasty hearth]

thought u would be joining scarlet

[hallow trout]

depends on beta and how competitive eden or scarlet being

[hollow ledge]

finally she is e6

[hasty hearth]

ay nice

[meager junco]

when is next chaos season? 1 week right?

https://www.rxddit.com/r/ChaosZeroNightmare/comments/1qfb1sa/amir_narja_37k_dmg_with_just_one_shield_card/

wdf

[hasty hearth]

no should be in feb or next patch i think

[hasty hearth]

yeah this is just exploiting metallization

clearly says feb

[meager junco]

[hasty hearth]

makes sense since we got narja on 14th right?

so 3 weeks from that

which is like what feb 4th?

season 3 looks cool tho looks like they adding multiple new modes/systems

but wtf is arena in feb

aint no way that's pvp

[meager junco]

probably pvp

but i dont think ull fight vs other players

maybe some sort of boss rush or so

and u compare in real time dmg values or whatever else it might be

[hasty hearth]

think would be cool if they added something similar to the wolf co op thing from ER

probably wont tho

im assuming chaos assault is gonna be that leaked image while back with multi team chaos

[still sedge]

theres too much downtime between patches atm

its alright to have empty spot, but man, this game is literally a menu game not like we have a huge world to run around and do shit in

[meager junco]

https://i.imgur.com/GsywDx0.png

fuck this shit

[hasty hearth]

classic

[drifting flame]

[gaunt sluice]

keep rolling gear

its the true stamina game

[trail lava]

man these new modes keeping the 7 hit cap is so ass

let my goat Mei 1 shot all these enemies

[hasty hearth]

sucks but understandable why they do it

[still sedge]

cant have mei lin do 300k dmg in 1 card

[trail lava]

Capped at 7 kicks

The remaining kicks will only do 1 damage

[hasty hearth]

yeah cuz cant have her doing 300k damage in 1 card

[hollow ledge]

tier 15 nightmare btw

how tf did i get all the way to core of discord with triple un-epiphany

weird deck

[gaunt sluice]

how am i supposed to sere solo everything

[gaunt sluice]

who can stack like a billion damage onto a single card

[astral gazelle]

In theory, new girl can

since all she requires is for more of her passive to be procced with the ephi that boosts damage per stack consumed

[meager junco]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYZYoGwM3-w

[scarlet dove]

https://page.onstove.com/chaoszeronightmare/en/view/11848948?boardKey=142403&combined=false
lot of good stuff in new season
epiphany reroll, targeted unit copy card and more

[drifting flame]

No way epi reroll

[meager junco]

i thought she would be the limited one

so whos gonna be the seasonal then?

and fucking order again lol

[drifting flame]

Why so many limited

1 per 6 months is enough

[meager junco]

they said there will be 1 seasonal per season

which is going to be the third unit

so after her its another normal one and then again seasonal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk7Ldqhp0qU

sounds interesting

[lavish lark]

@hasty hearth not passion

[hasty hearth]

man i guess SG hates passion

[drifting flame]

Passion with Mei Lin and Veronica alrdy broken

Imagine 1 more passion

[hasty hearth]

holy shit

now dupe goes to specific character

god bless

epiphany reroll holy

@mellow bolt u seeing this sir

[lavish lark]

2 fking weeks tho

[still sedge]

enough time to complete endfield 1.0

[lavish lark]

@hasty hearth tell him

[next jolt]

isnt maribell passion

[drifting flame]

[gaunt sluice]

imagine having good updates

feb 10 right?

[lavish lark]

it does say 4th

[gaunt sluice]

oh huh

[hollow ledge]

one shot at being a goated equip

unlocks ego recovery

[hasty hearth]

one thing i dont like is they keep adding memory fragments tailored to characters instead of making them more general

[hollow ledge]

all the while not fixing those that just genuinely suck

If a 4-set doesn't cater to your character, you have to use 2/2/2

And most of the time it's always Black Wing + Healer's Journey + Flex

[hollow ledge]

Arthur from the leaked files

Only Passion controller I saw

[hollow ledge]

it got +3 cdmg% and +1 atk%

bleak timeline is seeing luche become a partner

[hallow trout]

you make any god decks?

[hasty hearth]

hell no season is coming soon no point

[gaunt sluice]

need to remake decks every season

why do it now unless u need quick change to clear something

[gaunt sluice]

whos that floof

[hasty hearth]

so how much u wanna bet

the big booba cat ear is the limited one

[gaunt sluice]

damn

[meager junco]

[gaunt sluice]

i wanted to e2 narja but

i guess i’m saving

[meager junco]

what if these are the partners

i mean they are portraying 4 chars there

[hasty hearth]

oh

is there an image of season 1 one

[meager junco]

i think we had one but it showed all 3 units instead

[worthy raft]

bottom ones are chars, upper ones are partners and lower right one should be limited

[meager junco]

or one of the chars is like the one in the background here

[still sedge]

aint pulling till i see limited

[hasty hearth]

well who knows

guess we just wait and see

[lavish lark]

its actually very easy

[gaunt sluice]

did they confirm each season WILL have a limited?

[hasty hearth]

not like ill have a problem since im using end's account

[lavish lark]

boobs = combatant
no boobs = partner

[worthy raft]

nope, but I would say its quite obvious

[gaunt sluice]

imagine s2 opening banner is limited

[hasty hearth]

well they did show nine but none of the other heroes

[lavish lark]

and nine is limited

[gaunt sluice]

imagine nine is limited

[hasty hearth]

in the preview only heroes shown on the schedule were sereniel and nine

[lavish lark]

why would she be in the roadmap if she wasn't

where is Narja in the roadmap

[gaunt sluice]

because no time to save

[hasty hearth]

duh

so u have to swipe

[gaunt sluice]

[meager junco]

i feel like she will be the limited one

[lavish lark]

no shot.. that's a kid.. so a partner

[hasty hearth]

ill do u one better i bet this is the limited

[meager junco]

wdym thats a kid

she aint a kid

the kid is on the bottom right

lol

under the cat girl

[meager junco]

the great black blob

[gaunt sluice]

wheres the fire anyways

its in the title

[meager junco]

fire?

XD

[hasty hearth]

jokes on us

it's called "seed of karmic fire"

[gaunt sluice]

the season is about some kinda fire but where is it

[hasty hearth]

chizuru has a card called karmic flame

confirmed chizuru alt as limited

[gaunt sluice]

chizuru alt

[meager junco]

in the dungeon

[hasty hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/oakdice-runescape-gif-18004007

[gaunt sluice]

i dont think theyll let u use same characters if theres alts

[hasty hearth]

why wouldnt they

different characters

like ml/seasonal characters of e7

[hasty hearth]

im reading sg like a book

since we already have l/d

they releasing prismatic (the rainbow attribute that tower has)

alt units = prismatic element

dish out weakness damage but take weakness damage from enemies as well

prismatic chizuru 1st alt

https://tenor.com/view/brain-brain-meme-big-brain-big-brain-meme-big-brain-time-gif-2441110471562975014

[hollow ledge]

miyabi 2?

alt versions of starter combatants would be so funny

owen alt would explode a certain powderkeg

[lyric osprey]

we know nine not limited tho else it would've been said, they said after serenial fumble they would tell us way in advance

[lavish lark]

thats cope

[lyric osprey]

they had kr on fire they can't mess up twice

so no

[hollow ledge]

Pre-season character, season character 1, season character 2, season limited character

Haru was pre-season for s1

[mellow bolt]

ye about time lol

too bad i alrdy quit

ill come back when they add a giant chaos

[hasty hearth]

oh up to floor 100 now with no more entry tickets

[lyric osprey]

Yes saw that yesterday

[lavish lark]

what u mean floor 100... isnt it 25 floors per week

[drifting flame]

What’s that

New content?

[hasty hearth]

Just go to it or look at noticed on site

Yesterday released notes saying floor 100 in spiral and no longer uses entry ticket thing

Oops sorry floor 75

But no more weekly gated by entry ticket

[meager junco]

weekly top got removed etc. yea

u can just go ham till like 150?

[hasty hearth]

these later floors actually kind of tough

pretty nice they actually put anti spam in quite a bit of the bosses

finished 75 that was quite nice

unironically had to use haru for like one of them

[thick relic]

I stupidly missed on a wpn that gave 25% attk when holding 6 or more cards for the acc of 10% heal on a crit hit

[hasty hearth]

that accessory is giga bait

the wep u have is good for sereniel too tho

[thick relic]

Yup, learned ma lesson

[gaunt sluice]

tower getting tough now

sere cant self carry everything now

i did get narja to e2 so her stacks self sustain better

[drifting flame]

[trail lava]

might need to do 3 Spire and 2 Unity now since everything will be capped at 7 hit

[hasty hearth]

or

just not use mei lin

i even tried to use her in one of the rounds

but was big oof

[lavish lark]

mei who ?

its all sereniel now

[trail lava]

they had to restrain her smfh

[hasty hearth]

good imo

the tower content actually cool that they try to nerf action spamming

[gaunt sluice]

oh this build is interesting

no good equipment though

there is a chance to do narja charge builds

does tower even reset? i might put it off until next season to make builds that matters

[trail lava]

it'll reset once its out of beta

[gaunt sluice]

ugh how long is beta again?

so i have to make a build that isn’t spammy

i rely too much on sere

[hasty hearth]

it wasnt said when

[hasty hearth]

looks pretty meme tbh

it's reminding me of the time people were gasming over kayron gigantic number on card but not very good in reality

[lavish lark]

who would have thought more numbers were better than bigger numbers

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1064251784324988968/1230656756376670208/classique.gif

[gaunt sluice]

it needs more stacks to work right the scaling kinda bad rather than multiple 100% stack scaling hits

but it could work for tower since bonus 100% def scaling damage

the main issue is burning all those stacks when every narja stack eating card has a limit

would need a card that does like 50 hits in a single card

and 4 copies of bottomless hunger that boosts mealtime

and highroll her e2

[meager junco]

holy

[worthy raft]

what "can" be kinda problem is probably 90+tower floors, where we can probably expect 1shots from boss on turn1 without vanguard/shielder

[hasty hearth]

yeah this is what im waiting to see if we actually have to do sizable shield every turn to even survive a hit

[gaunt sluice]

what was the buff that reduces damage from attacks by half or something? resolve?

or it easier to weaken the enemy

[hasty hearth]

fortitude but that's only 20%

[gaunt sluice]

whats weaken debuff then?

maybe we need both even

[hasty hearth]

weaken? That's only -morale

both are flat rates not stacking as in 5 fortitude does not equal 100% damage reduction it's -100% of whatever number their "card"/attack would hit

[gaunt sluice]

oh

that sucks

[hasty hearth]

that's why resolve is typically considered better for damage mitigation

lot easier to stack massive shield amounts than trying to reduce enemy damage

but might need combination of both for later tower floors

[gaunt sluice]

is it time for defense builds?

[hasty hearth]

well to nobody's surprise

the later floors coming with nine most likely

so more than likely it's gonna be nine teams assuming the damage is still scaling as it is now

but probably not the only comp u can do

[gaunt sluice]

im stuck in the sere/narja team builds

[hasty hearth]

what u mean sere/narja team

[gaunt sluice]

and also

[hasty hearth]

they arent even like that crazy together

[gaunt sluice]

i forgot her bunny name

[hasty hearth]

well assuming good decks

selena

[gaunt sluice]

predator stacking the homing lasers and ravage refreshing

[hasty hearth]

still worse than cassius

only reason u dont take cassius is cuz of the 12 card create limit in the tower

[gaunt sluice]

i didnt bother to build him tbh

probably more optimal tho

[hasty hearth]

for tower u cant really use sereniel and cassius together

as i said 12 card create limit

[gaunt sluice]

sere herself almost hits the 12

[hasty hearth]

it still works

[gaunt sluice]

for my deck

[hasty hearth]

but it stops working later in the later floors

[gaunt sluice]

hmmm who lets u keep ur shields for next turn?

[hasty hearth]

what u mean shields

i just 1 turn kill all of them

except for 1 boss where i couldnt sereniel

[gaunt sluice]

in later floors i mean

[hasty hearth]

yeah i 1 turn kill them

[gaunt sluice]

when defense teams probably can survive

o

[lavish lark]

tower can wait for season 2.. im not building anything else

[hasty hearth]

the next set of 25 tho assuming the scaling is same as previous

might require shielder

which seems probable because they are more than likely trying to hard sell nine

[gaunt sluice]

what if u use a card that stalls their action countdown instead

so u can otk them

[hasty hearth]

that works for the 1 boss i didnt use sereniel in

[gaunt sluice]

without worrying about getting hit

[hasty hearth]

if i had the action stop count thing

then yeah works for that boss

but they did multiple different ways to stop card spam

like putting red thorns on the boss

[gaunt sluice]

ew

[hasty hearth]

which that card doesnt help with

not to mention this was me using end's account

giga whale

giga decks

[gaunt sluice]

i didnt have giga yet

only e6 sere and e2 narja and most are base lol

also need to optimize gear still

[worthy raft]

I did clear full 75 floors with e6 sereniel e0narja e2veronica ....but damn some anti spam floors(standard justice weak bosses/enemies) were extremely tight on survival..and thorns were, well..quite hurtfull

[hollow ledge]

game finally balans

[hollow ledge]

nyx is kinda fun

[hasty hearth]

is anyone really gonna do chaos lvl 120+ for crafting dust

[gaunt sluice]

u got the free time to?

[hasty hearth]

yeah i can just 2 more chaos but not worth the reward lol

[desert sequoia]

I can barely even run 1 chaos a week

[hasty hearth]

[desert sequoia]

I want an auto skip

And for it to auto play

[hasty hearth]

Is that even playing a game at that point

[desert sequoia]

I mean you still have to play the game for story and events

But if it’s something I have to do weekly for rewards

And I don’t care about my deck

Why should I be forced to play it weekly?

[trail lava]

What fomo does to a mf, just login when they add new stuff then

No need to do weekly stuff

[hollow ledge]

czn afk game

memory fragment stages should've gotten a multi-stage function too

[gaunt sluice]

im pretty sure

chao once a week isnt even that long

[trail lava]

the qol also made it so you can spend 4 tickets in 1 run

pretty nice, all i gotta do is do 1 run a week then just login to spend stamina then logout

[desert sequoia]

Yea that was nice when I did it last week. Just havnt had time this week and with Wow prepatch been occupied there. I also got a new pc and been playing other games lol. This game has just taken a back seat for now

I’m just in maintenance farm mode for now making sure I don’t cap on stam

[hasty hearth]

The story that majority skip and events I guess what u mean by that like the chaos one right now I can agree and say that sucks but not cuz I got to do chaos but because doing chaos as of right now is completely pointless due to new season coming

[desert sequoia]

Yes the 30 day long chaos event shit lol

I can’t be bothered to make sure I get all those rewards

Especially with no auto/skip.

[hasty hearth]

Well there won’t be a skip/good auto for a while I would imagine

[desert sequoia]

Understandable

It’s a rogue like game afterall.

[hasty hearth]

yeah game is way more complicated than the traditional turn based

[desert sequoia]

Just hoping one day we can choose toe skip method and bypass new decks

So if you want a new deck you have to play but if you just want the mats and spend your stam you can skip it

[hasty hearth]

but i mean

[desert sequoia]

But you have to clear it one time

[hasty hearth]

1 chaos a week

[desert sequoia]

Yea it’s way better now

My issue was before this lol

[hasty hearth]

next thing i know

someone gonna be like

well why cant i just clear up to 1st checkpoint and be done for the week

[desert sequoia]

I wouldn’t mind that

They did that with material farming

[hasty hearth]

material farming makes sense

[desert sequoia]

Only have 1 wave now

[hasty hearth]

1st checkpoint in a chaos

[desert sequoia]

So how does chaos not make sense

[hasty hearth]

i meannn sure if they add it then whatever

[desert sequoia]

Especially if you just want the materials

Couldn’t one say chaos is another form of material farming?

[hasty hearth]

but i dont want the game to be THAT simplified imo

[desert sequoia]

Well lol

That’s for sure one side of it

But can’t use materials make sense but this material farming doesn’t lol

[hasty hearth]

it's 1 chaos a week that u can leave at each check point

so technically

u can do 1/4 a chaos across 4 days if u wanted to

like idk

if u dont even want to do a single chaos a week

then go play like an idle/afk game

[gaunt sluice]

next thing we know is

why not remove the roguelike

[hasty hearth]

[desert sequoia]

[hasty hearth]

not to mention u dont even HAVE to do the chaos a week

not like the rewards are anything crazy

[desert sequoia]

Yea I’m very happy about that

[gaunt sluice]

it’s mostly the season rewards that are good

[desert sequoia]

I don’t feel punished if I don’t complete it

[hasty hearth]

why would anyone ever feel punished in

a single player pve game

if u miss out on gems sure i guess bit more understandable

[gaunt sluice]

he missed sere

[desert sequoia]

Ngl I’m shocked I’ve been playing this long

I don’t play rogue likes cuz they get super boring

I went in blunt and been enjoying it

[gaunt sluice]

he’s gonna quit next patch

[desert sequoia]

Bljnd*

Naw

Yo many waifus lol

Too*

[hasty hearth]

czn is great a breath of fresh air in the gacha space imo

[desert sequoia]

And I enjoy the game

[hasty hearth]

different than the shitty open world genshit like games

and traditional turn based

[gaunt sluice]

and auto play

might as well watch a movie

[desert sequoia]

I’m so over open world shit

[hasty hearth]

honestly i would hope more gachas go the CZN route

until it becomes literally majority of the games then we can get sick of it like with the open world stuff

[gaunt sluice]

i rather play

a mmorpg tbh

if there’s open world

[desert sequoia]

Yea that’s why I play WoW

[hasty hearth]

WoW as in rereleasing the same game and community frothing at the mouth due to nostalgia

god blizzard such a shit company now

[gaunt sluice]

tbh ive been playing around with vr and modeling lately

learning the basics

[desert sequoia]

Yes I don’t deny that lol. I just play retail with a bunch of friends. We do the new raid on heroic and then chill till next raid

Super casual

[desert sequoia]

I wish I can do VR. I get motion sickness

[gaunt sluice]

a friend takes dramine thingy 20 mins before playing

i’m used to it cause i played fps and flight combat at a million dpi

[desert sequoia]

I started doing that for roller coasters and it’s helped. So maybe it will help with VR

[scarlet dove]

ready for next batch tower of scream

[meager junco]

https://i.imgur.com/9n0PJ3u.png

[hasty hearth]

nice

[lavish lark]

she doesn't draw they said

actual good deck tho

[lavish lark]

Draw Healing AND Cost reducion in the same card

[granite hull]

I think for her 0/1 cost vetocity gain cards + 0 cost sheild cards 3-4 copies works best

[hasty hearth]

wonder what the season mechanic will be

cuz the forbidden cards were good

[hasty hearth]

nice deck shame that it's so close to the season

[lavish lark]

it was my second try with narja.. so i didnt grind anything

basically the weekly chaos

[zealous niche]

how do you properly upscale this game on pc? it looks like dog shit

[hasty hearth]

uh idk game looks fine to me

[meager junco]

a pair of glasses might help

no but seriously show a screenshot and check ur settings 😄

the game has good graphics

[trail lava]

Treasa’s dead

[granite hull]

Rip

[lyric osprey]

rip

[hollow ledge]

let's have a look...

Oh wow Agony got reworked to hell

20 stack cap

no more heal dagger spam

Is there also Cassius rebalance?

Hard cap on removes and dupes per save data

[granite hull]

Wish I got few more sheild cards

Even the equipment were perfect for it

[hasty hearth]

so conversion got nerfed essentially

and yeah holy

tressa got gutted into the ground

love how they changed agony saying "it's not very intuitive" instead of "this shit was too strong we are nerfing"

like wtf are they bullshitting about "provide clearer damage expectations" it fkin highlighted their hp bar on how much it was gonna do

at least they were honest about cassius "this shit is too powerful and not good for long term health"

[hollow ledge]

there were even more operator buffs

[hasty hearth]

honestly

cassius wasnt even nerfed that bad

u just take full house now instead of triple 0

they just took away him as a dpser for rifts really

[hasty hearth]

oh nevermind

[hollow ledge]

basics becoming a lil more useful, separate healing from her ego effect

[hasty hearth]

they nerfed his random quest reward

k i mean he is still okay especially for drawing purposes but his damage got gutted into the ground

[hasty hearth]

better as a healer worse as a dpser

[hollow ledge]

Wait so inhibit now lets AP generate from Chizuru's own cards?

(for the purpose of divine epiphanies)

[hasty hearth]

eh not really only affects people who dont have narja

narja is kind of like a better rei

but a buff to rei is nice especially since her healing is very very bad

effect values of creations will be increased by orlea

god bless

maybe now we can actually use her

[hasty hearth]

LOL what a surprise for yuki

"damage increased"

simple as that

[hollow ledge]

lol

spark of passion is no longer dogshit

[hasty hearth]

from reading inhibit yeah either for chizuru own card or from effects like narja reduce cost when voracity spent (i think this is what they mean by continuous effect)

[hollow ledge]

It would be really funny if they still don't fix torch

[hasty hearth]

damn yuki's partner kind of cracked

man

nerfed psionic combat suit those bastards

i dont think czn devs realize

that netural cards (aside from season mechanic) are actually dogshit

u would much rather have full deck of divine epiph (or specific + dupe) than adding neutral cards to deck

[hollow ledge]

they also rework monster card costs

[hasty hearth]

doesnt matter

only way that is relevent is if any of them cost 0 to add into deck

or if the really good ones only cost like 20 maybe 40 like spirit kefox

[hollow ledge]

well

[hasty hearth]

which is highly unlikely

[hasty hearth]

oh spirit kefox got nerfed

no surprises there

[hollow ledge]

Points (20 / 50 /80)

20 common 50 rare 80 legendary

[hasty hearth]

yeah all the 20 options automatically bad

[hollow ledge]

Neutrals also have fixed points cost regardless of epiphany (except divine where it's a +20)

[hasty hearth]

the offensive ones like shy gardener and sorroful godfather

are just worse than the forbidden card for same cost

the rare ones also not good for 50 cost

u would rather just have a divine epiph

[hollow ledge]

Yeah

Still, transforming got ruined

[hasty hearth]

evil spirit salamander or spirit kefox only ones i can see as usable

[hollow ledge]

Do starting cards mean only the basics or is it also the 4th card?

[hasty hearth]

only way it isnt is if they slow the game down then dominion can be good but they would really need to slow the game down

[hasty hearth]

u talking about for save data changes?

[hollow ledge]

50 points for a card with exhaust 2 and draw 4

[hasty hearth]

yeah because they are slightly better than forbidden cards

[hollow ledge]

yes

[hasty hearth]

well better in the short term not long fights like rift

[hasty hearth]

yes only basic cards i think

[hollow ledge]

removing cards is still the same cost but now you can't remove more than 5 cards

[hasty hearth]

that's fine

[hollow ledge]

copying cards was changed to 0 / 0 / 40 from 0 / 10 / 30

which is quite neat

[hasty hearth]

especially since they changing how duplication works u choose the character instead of 3 random cards showing up

[hollow ledge]

oh with that, duping is more baller

[hasty hearth]

this is a nerf not a buff

if u do 4 duplications to 1 character it will cost 80 points total instead of 70

[hollow ledge]

4 dupes?

wasn't there 2 boss + 1 event?

[hasty hearth]

if ur talking about the lab yes

but some planets like shadow base planet u can do 4 duplications iirc

[hollow ledge]

hm

I wouldn't know because i mostly did blue pot, lab or city of mist

[hasty hearth]

isnt city of mist the shadow base planet?

[hollow ledge]

maybe the new dimension will bring 4 dupe

[hasty hearth]

and yeah it's more for future i guess

i mean overall it is a buff

the ceiling is nerfed

[hollow ledge]

yes

much easier to settle for two characters with 2 dupes throughout the run

[hasty hearth]

love how they buffed rin to not have hit limit on one of her cards

but that doesnt matter because they already added hit cap to lot of shit

wow they buffed it by 2 x 80% for all the content with hit cap

[hollow ledge]

at least they fixed the dark stance gain on destruction card

as seen in this deck

[hasty hearth]

overall lot of good changes imo

tressa nerfs was needed

[hollow ledge]

it was funny that i had to keep an unepiphanied destruction so i had a dark stance card

but now qol happens which is nice

[hasty hearth]

tho i dont think she shouldve been gutted into absolute oblivion

[hollow ledge]

oh no, that's lore accurate. she should've seen that bad luck coming

[hasty hearth]

cassius definitely wasnt healthy long term i agree with that 100%

[hollow ledge]

yeah imagine your controller out-dpsing your damage dealers

[hasty hearth]

while also drawing + buffing + healing at the same time

[hasty hearth]

well my brother will def be happy

[hollow ledge]

I'm intrigued about this currency though

[hasty hearth]

it's the thing they showed in road map

the save editing thing

[hollow ledge]

So I complete a run, I have a save. And then out of the run I can edit my save?

[hasty hearth]

yeah

[hollow ledge]

And that doesn't incur any points cost?

[hasty hearth]

basically only used if u have near perfect deck and u want to fix any epiphany

[hollow ledge]

Baller

[hasty hearth]

it doesnt because ur just changing one epiph to another

so doesnt affect the outcome of the deck

[hollow ledge]

I think I might have some epiphanies to fix

[hasty hearth]

technically u dont

[hollow ledge]

but that is a moot point

[hasty hearth]

since new season

[hollow ledge]

because new season yeah

[hasty hearth]

which means farm new decks

[hollow ledge]

Ah yes, Magna's card "Adjustment Direction"

[hasty hearth]

magna so fkin bad

reactive playstyle is just not good currently

[hollow ledge]

Anyway, I'm gonna spend the first few days trying to fish a fun Rin deck

[hasty hearth]

they have to fundamentally introduce lot of multi hitters to make magna work

right now ur just sitting on 20 counters (max possible) and getting hit once and wow congrats 1 counter done

thanks magna

[hollow ledge]

The whole counterattack gimmick should be redefined into something else

[hasty hearth]

that could be one option

maybe something like

hmm

[hollow ledge]

Adding more enemies specifically to make a system work is lazy game design

[hasty hearth]

when hit u counter (use up all stacks and increase counter damage per stack used)

and if enemy does not have attack action then counter buffs up ur next attack card

like max stacks used 5 or something

[hollow ledge]

Yeah countering should buff your cards since that way it's like you're building up momentum if the enemy does nothing

[hasty hearth]

i mean i do think it's funny/satisfying to see magna countering like 8 times

but overall it is very bad and definitely needs a buff

[hollow ledge]

That way Mirabell would also be better even though her kit is pure defense

[hollow ledge]

with aoe effect

I still want Magna because she's fun to play even if she sucks

[hasty hearth]

currently not fun to play at all

shield gain is pathetic

damage output also pathetic

[hollow ledge]

I wouldn't mind if they reworked her into being a striker and also give her the damage to match

But that'd defeat the purpose of on-release Vanguard

[hasty hearth]

not true

i bet u

nine will be the first true vanguard dps

well

2nd i guess

[hollow ledge]

No, Nine will be the first Vanguard that works

[hasty hearth]

1st being amir

[hasty hearth]

nah have u seen amir + narja

kind of gross

[hollow ledge]

I haven't cause I was too busy with other things

I would've tried it out if I had Narja

[hasty hearth]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ChaosZeroNightmare/comments/1qfb1sa/amir_narja_37k_dmg_with_just_one_shield_card/

[hollow ledge]

I'll keep the flip for Nine

[hasty hearth]

but narja supposed to synergize with nine

selling the remote (narja) with no batteries which nine will be

thanks smilegate

[hollow ledge]

so the whole gimmick relies on having full metal hurricane ii dupes and then you use shackles of hunger?

[hasty hearth]

ye

[hollow ledge]

Right

That's effective assuming you have ways to make FMH cost more bearable

easier if it has +1 AP or "reduce cost by 1" divines

[hasty hearth]

well even then not really as long as u have stacks of voracity

since shackles cost 0

and full metal hurricane is 2

if u want to stack up multiple full metal hurricane

then yeah

[hollow ledge]

Yeah that's what I meant

stacking multiple hurricanes

That 37k was done by stacking at least 3-4 cards

not sure if that was 4 or 5 hits per voracity remove

[hasty hearth]

4 full metal hurricane i think

[hollow ledge]

And even ignoring the whole AP cost conundrum, you need someone like Nia to cycle good

[hasty hearth]

since 1 base and 4 hits added for 5 hits total per

[hollow ledge]

Without crits and let's say she sneaks one card, that's 1207 * 2 * 4

9.6k damage

It's still pretty enough for the enemy he just beat, seriously wounding it if not KOing it instantly

[hasty hearth]

man

agony as a mechanic is so shit now

hopefully they change that leaked character who was also agony

[hollow ledge]

lol they better

[hasty hearth]

at least we can get refunded mats for tressa and cassius

@lyric osprey did u sign tressa's tombstone?

[hollow ledge]

In hindsight refunding the materials will only help me in the event I get a new character at this point

Everyone I have has max level

I guess it can help to divert some purple crystals to Rin

[hasty hearth]

key thing might be affection + potential crystals

[hollow ledge]

well not like I'd gain much out of it

I don't have Hugo so that's another reason I didn't fully invest

which is a shame because i have his bis partner

If I could trade her for someone like Janet I would

lol what carroty is still locked

crazy

[hasty hearth]

LOL

the f2p life

[lyric osprey]

Long time ago

[hollow ledge]

I'm not F2P

I spent 2 battle passes and a monthly

I just got a metric fuckton of Rosarias

[lyric osprey]

Renoa been my main menu

[hasty hearth]

well according to lin if u spent under 1k ur f2p

[hasty hearth]

a man of culture

[lyric osprey]

Goood ol days

[hollow ledge]

According to Lin if you are Romanian you are F2P

[hasty hearth]

are u romanian?

[hollow ledge]

Yeah

[hasty hearth]

so ur like super f2p

spent under 1k and romanian

[hollow ledge]

Maybe by that notion I am F2P

[hasty hearth]

c r a z y

[hollow ledge]

My lobby rotation is this

[hasty hearth]

technically

i am f2p with end's account too

all these gems i didnt spend anything

[hollow ledge]

I have everyone except these four

Luke e2 is alright but Yuki e3?

I think I might be eating good when she gets buffed

[hasty hearth]

f2p btw

[hollow ledge]

hahaha

this shit better not be yuki e4

[hasty hearth]

it will be

then u can main ur freshly buffed yuki

[hollow ledge]

the yuki buff was promised to me by smilegate 3000 aethers ago

[hasty hearth]

well tbf

my brother mains yuki currently and cleared all the content with her pretty much

[hollow ledge]

he's a believer

and his faith will be rewarded

For me it's Selena, Luke or Rin

I took advantage of Sereniel's banner since Selena was on-rate too

But Narja's banner let me finally e6 Selena

does your bro have yuki e6?

[hasty hearth]

he does

[hollow ledge]

I expected no less

i gotta fix her gear, 4/6 have dot substat which sucks

[gaunt sluice]

i wonder what’s the theme for next season though

[hasty hearth]

hopefully equal in terms of power to forbidden cards

[hasty hearth]

also wonder who gonna get the first skin

[hollow ledge]

Rei

[hasty hearth]

oh u mean her original look

that's true

okay first REAL skin

[hollow ledge]

She had an original look?

[hasty hearth]

yeah if u look at the original main wallpaper screen or whatever it has rei's original look

let me see if i can find it

this is rei's original intended look

they updated her to the current look/wallpaper which is this

[hollow ledge]

Oh I see

[manic knot]

i like the new look way better who wears skirts like that

[hasty hearth]

I like the new one better too old one very plain and boring

[meager junco]

finally lvl 40 😄

[hasty hearth]

damn the rin love and dedication

[hallow trout]

farm a rin deck

how acct doing actually haven't logged in ages

[hasty hearth]

pretty much the exact same since doing nothing but dailies until season starts

[hasty hearth]

what the

they released tower up to floor 75 which was cool they actually tried putting anti spam into them

[plain breach]

isn't tower up to floor 100?

[gaunt sluice]

they didn’t have a given time before it resets right? i can do it next season then

[hasty hearth]

yeah no confirmed time frame when tower actually gonna be released

[plain breach]

Do chaos up to lvl 90 to get some summon mats, I think that is weekly

[hasty hearth]

it is weekly

[hasty hearth]

no currently 75

with 150 being last (at least seen on the actual screen)

[gaunt sluice]

imagine the scaling

[plain breach]

oh ok

[gaunt sluice]

gotta minmax an otk deck

[hasty hearth]

u could go tank and spank route tbh

but yeah why do that when u can just otk them

[gaunt sluice]

i invested into sere e6 just for the funny im not doing a defense deck yet

[hasty hearth]

yeah u can sereniel the entire thing so far

granted for one of them u do need the action count doesnt decrease if u plan to sereniel it

[plain breach]

they are going to change my kefox card after patch 😭

[hasty hearth]

honestly fair

[plain breach]

I know

it is too op

[hasty hearth]

that monster card would actually be mandatory if it wasnt a monster card

[gaunt sluice]

im mostly just waiting on next season to make stupid builds tbh

[hasty hearth]

held back by the point cost which even then still good

[hasty hearth]

we all are

hopefully season 2 mechanic is good

[gaunt sluice]

im pretty sure sere can solo 90% of the new season though

[hasty hearth]

i would assume probably minimum equal to s1 forbidden cards

since if we get tower up to 100

we gonna need some more power

[hasty hearth]

depends

[gaunt sluice]

buff stacking mechanic soontm

[hasty hearth]

i feel like the current tower the devs were testing their anti spam

and they will make it harder in season 2 is my guess

[gaunt sluice]

probably

then itll end up being a long back and forth

or a strong card with high %that can stack

agony gets a hard cap next update right?

[hasty hearth]

not to mention they explicity nerfed the 0 cost freeze action count

which will only make their anti spam in tower harder

[hasty hearth]

yes agony is pretty much dead now

20 stack max and loses half stacks every turn

[gaunt sluice]

ew

[hasty hearth]

tressa would unironically still be good if her change on the card was "proc all agony" instead of "proc this character's agony"

[plain breach]

does Kyron's Futility cary over each wave in tower?

[hasty hearth]

yes it's wave based kind of like the pre changes to simulation

[gaunt sluice]

imagine next season is retain boosting and buffs for not attacking

upgrade stacking meta

[hasty hearth]

well i think nine will be our first real vanguard dps

[plain breach]

cool, i'm going to try Kyron. He is more suitable for longer fight.

[hasty hearth]

but will have to wait on kit to find out

[hasty hearth]

for tower just making ur life harder

the later floors even the trash mobs hit for pretty much ur entire hp bar almost

[plain breach]

Yeah, I am currently stuck at 55-60

they hit so hard

[gaunt sluice]

time for you to add those 1200+ hp shields

[hasty hearth]

or just kill them with sereniel before they hit u

[gaunt sluice]

inb4 they revert damage to shields ephiphany back

[hasty hearth]

tbf i did haru one of the set of 5 lvls

because i didnt have the stop action count

so couldnt sereniel that

[gaunt sluice]

i honestly don’t have a character built that has strong single hits

[plain breach]

that's what I've been trying every time 😄 I hope they don't add counter or mechanic like judas

[gaunt sluice]

judas? burst his phase 1 then otk phase 2

[hasty hearth]

no he just means levels with his mechanic

with the stacking thing when u take action

[plain breach]

yeah

[gaunt sluice]

but specifically it says next turn bonus attacks

otk anyways

[hasty hearth]

66-70 was the hardest

that's the one if u dont have stop action count

cant use sereniel

or well u probably still can but cant otk

[gaunt sluice]

is it preventing multi hit or multi card usage

[hasty hearth]

both

the 2nd to last dude

if he runs out of actions

[gaunt sluice]

that’s rough how u gonna ravage them

[hasty hearth]

every time u use a card

he will counter attack

[gaunt sluice]

oh

[hasty hearth]

so u still technically can

but u cant otk him

[gaunt sluice]

why not use her whatever multi hit laser and pale moon then

[hasty hearth]

unless u have the stop action count

[plain breach]

there is one elite with that skill, I forgot the name

[gaunt sluice]

instead of homing laser spam

[hasty hearth]

yeah its elite from blue pot planet

[plain breach]

after he used his card

[hasty hearth]

66-70 is blue pot stuff

[gaunt sluice]

technically 1 card but multi hit

[hasty hearth]

final boss takes extra actions if u move after he runs out of actions

idr if he had red thorns too or not

[gaunt sluice]

that would be pain

[hasty hearth]

let me check

i haru this set that i know

okay no red thorn just the extra action when he runs out of actions

he doesnt hit as hard tho so as long as u dont spam ur good (he does ramp tho so gotta finish it kind of fast)

[gaunt sluice]

so just burst fast instead of playing solitaire

[thick relic]

Anything about Yuki?

[meager junco]

Buffed

[hasty hearth]

her and her partner got buffed

[drifting flame]

More booba now?

[hasty hearth]

[meager junco]

Yes

It will be spilling out of all cravices

[worthy raft]

I did it with sere xD although E6 , but it’s doable ..but I had nearly died ofc

[hasty hearth]

yeah it is doable

just not otk

[worthy raft]

Well given how tough the higher bosses are , nearly all of 60+ bosses (4-5 slot in waves) are not OTK-able even with good builds..

[hasty hearth]

i otk almost all of it

except for the blue pot stage

[worthy raft]

What’s worst is that if you somehow whiff draw on second turn , if you can’t kill by the end of your turn 3 you are dead

[hasty hearth]

because as i mentioned didnt have the stop action count

but yeah the tower content actually getting tough which is nice

[worthy raft]

Yeah I didn’t use stop action count

And although narja is good sustainer with decent build.. most bosses can one turn kill you by like turn 3 unless you stack shields

I don’t hate it either , it’s fresh change..but we will see how it goes with more floors xD btw anyone know when the next batch after 75th floor unlocks ?

[hasty hearth]

no one knows

im assuming next set of 25 would be when season 2 starts but that's just me guessing

[worthy raft]

Oh , okay . I thought I just missed some announcement or something

[worthy raft]

That sounds most probable

[hollow ledge]

Close enough, welcome back Rawiyah Convallaria

[hollow ledge]

i swear to god if i get dot substat on both

[hasty hearth]

got my nine gear ready

[worthy raft]

what you use? also will there be new sets/gears?

[hasty hearth]

maybe? No idea. For now order set + defense set

but u can probably also use def set + cdmg + whatever as another option

[worthy raft]

are you going more "support" route with like 3xdef or more offensive route with cr/order/def ?

[hasty hearth]

offensive

shes supposed to be a dps pretty sure

going defensive/reactive in this game currently is really really bad

[worthy raft]

thats what I kinda hope so.. def scaling dmger that also shields

[hasty hearth]

yeah i imagine shes pretty much khalipe but more single target and higher damage ceiling

but would have to wait on kit

[worthy raft]

they wrote something about it in dev notes that they will try to do something with vanguard etc , but didnt fully read it

[hasty hearth]

because the 4 piece 1 cost set or if shes 2 cost then those sets could work

[hasty hearth]

yeah basically they figuring out how to make vanguards more viable

for now they just upped stuff like magna shielding + counterattack buff

but i think they thinking of a more long term solution that we dont know

the fact that defense damage scaling requires narja who can easily buff like fkin 200% for defense damage and still only match dps of some of the characters

tells u how weak defense damage scaling is

[worthy raft]

well..that would be kinda ideal, since most of the time is like why would I use vanguards when they are so "slow" and ineffective, but ofc some ppl who dont care that much about meta or high end game , it doesnt bother them

[hasty hearth]

which i guess u can argue makes sense because defense scalers supposed to also bring shield but all the content revealed so far doesnt require shielding at all

[hasty hearth]

yeah this exactly

players can technically go about beating stages with kind of whatever team combination they want

[worthy raft]

well, thats basically their idea of roguelike that devs went with and as it kinda should be.. buuuuuut that def-scaling chars went kinda awry, at least for now

[hasty hearth]

yup i think nine might be their first attempt at testing out defense scaling dpser

so could be broken as fk

or garbage

leaning towards broken dont think they want a repeat of yuki

and probably want a ceiling

we already have the floor (magna)

[lavish lark]

have they mentioned if she is limited yet ?

[hasty hearth]

nope but since they didn't say she was limited i assume she isnt

cuz when sereniel was revealed wasnt it immediately said she was limited?

[lavish lark]

no clue

[hasty hearth]

took a look at past posts and guess we will see when patch notes is revealed

it said sereniel was limited in patch notes so that is probably when we can confirm for nine

but devs did say in videos sereniel would be limited so we knew beforehand iirc

[lavish lark]

might be an exception cause she was the first

[hasty hearth]

but highly doubt nine is limited

[lavish lark]

we'll see

[granite hull]

[hasty hearth]

lol RIP cassius

chizuru and haru stonks

[trail lava]

Damn no hit cap?

[hollow ledge]

I'm expecting the banner rotation to be this:

preseason character, season character #1, season character #2, limited season character

then repeat

season 1 was haru, yuki & chizuru and then sereniel

season 2 should be narja, then nine and another character, and an unknown limited

nine doesn't make sense to be limited when sereniel was so recent

[trail lava]

Its the blonde twintail after Nine

Easy clear even when she’s restrained

[hollow ledge]

very nice a free ten pull

[meager junco]

yep

[hollow ledge]

imagine getting a divine like this one

[hasty hearth]

[plain breach]

I got a divine for a card with 'final' that draw a card lol. That card is useless since your turn is eneded.

[meager junco]

-1 cost

upon use u get +1 AP

if that was a thing, that would be great xd

deal dmg and gain ap haha

[hollow ledge]

yeah but there's already a 1 AP divine

[meager junco]

i know

[drifting flame]

Which gear set for nine?

[hasty hearth]

im doing order + armor for now

[hollow ledge]

thanks nia (i'm kinda bored and i need those 2 limited pulls)

[still sedge]

btw is nine limited character

or she is going into standard banner

[drifting flame]

Standard

[zealous niche]

looks like i'll be chillin here starting tmr i got alot of catching up to do

[hasty hearth]

where the hell is nine motion pv or whatever

[lyric osprey]

Tomorrow most likely

[hasty hearth]

u mean when we already have streamer showing her actual kit and everything?

[lyric osprey]

[hasty hearth]

let us know if u have any questions

[lavish lark]

Bojiga is a gamer.. we might be asking him questions soon

[drifting flame]

Nine broken?

[hasty hearth]

not revealed anything yet

we gonna get the freakin stream before we even see her card animations

[drifting flame]

Late

Skip

Who next

[hasty hearth]

i mean

nine will either be broken as fk

or extremely mid

cuz i think it's SG's first real attempt at making a defense scaling dpser

will have to wait and see

[lyric osprey]

I'm going to skip Nine even tho she prob going to be peak in S2

I'll wait for the limited

I'm literally coasting now

[lavish lark]

might do the same thing.. unless she replaces Khalipe ( dont have her )

[still sedge]

if nine isnt limited ill probably skip her unless she fits well in 1 of the team i have

[lavish lark]

that's why I mentioned Khalipe.. she fits in most teams.. even tho it's not the best times for her

[still sedge]

i have khalipe but havent build her yet, since there was no need for defense that much

[hasty hearth]

minimum e2 for me and if she looks op then e6

but prob e2 most likely even if good want to mass pull standard banner like come season 3 or something

right now standard pulls do nothing for end except that new dupe currency but can't really buy anything with it that's good

[lyric osprey]

I'd E2 anything if i had 300k gems just sitting too

[still sedge]

true

[hasty hearth]

like literally whale currency doesnt do anything for the man

[still sedge]

and on top of that theres nothing worth whaling for in this game that much