CZN gooner gang godz only

[hasty hearth]

they a million different ways they can handle action spam

we just need them to actually do something

[mellow bolt]

before that

i want them to make chaos fun again

[hasty hearth]

yo true they could make new chaos event

reroll an random epiphanied card

https://tenor.com/view/exploding-brain-mind-blown-explosion-fireworks-gif-16297776

if they want to make it op then select or pick 1 of 3

[mellow bolt]

yeh

they should let us make super op decks but make the chaos more random

like you start with 1 unit

then it's RNG on who you get as the 2nd team member out of 3 choices

i feel like ive played a game just like that

[charred citrus]

I’m in slay the spire mode now. Need new cards or new unit/class to keep playing

[hasty hearth]

eh idk most of the time u go into chaos u target 1 character's deck to be built so the random people dont really matter just need to pick who will make it easier to clear

[mellow bolt]

exactly

you pick the character you want to build as your first character

then they make it harder by giving you partners through a RNG selector

but the chances of building an OP character is higher

so they bring the roguelike fun aspect back with more variety gameplay

ive been playing nothing but mei lin + vero + mika cause im trying to optimize their decks and it's such tedious gameplay

[charred citrus]

They could do ele fusion stuff

Add some spice

[mellow bolt]

that would be interesting

ya like what even is the point of elements right now lol

[charred citrus]

Making all mutant passion weak is also kinda dumb

[nocturne kelp]

yeah the runs

are pretty long too

takes around 40 mins for me

the thought of needing to sink hours is kinda discouraging but game fun

just need to not min max to have fun

[unkempt arrow]

Is the 3rd one worth it

If it’s a flat 20% drop

Maybe I guess?

If not ima go 2

[meager junco]

i did pick the 2 draw one

2 cards that deal dmg is better than 1 card that isnt nerfed

so long as u have the AP for sure

[unkempt arrow]

True

Very good point actually

[unkempt arrow]

Cracked Yuki deck

Even with that shield card added back

It’s still cracked

[nocturne kelp]

lets go

got melin

who are her best pairs

[lavish lark]

vero or selena

[nocturne kelp]

• 1?

the last can be either?

[lavish lark]

yeah.. Mika probably for ap battery

[charred citrus]

This is why ppl think she is bad. You should always favor vuln/morale and her multipliers

Especially on subdue which is her top copy target

[unkempt arrow]

They shouldn’t have took dmg away from her best subdue card

Idk

[charred citrus]

Yea some of her epis do that. But good rule thumb is always choose those with “by”/vuln/weakness if you want more dam

[unkempt arrow]

I did for the rest of the deck

[charred citrus]

Nice. 👍

[unkempt arrow]

I had morale x3

But lost one

[charred citrus]

But yea stacking those multis make her shine vs bosses and mutants like doglord

I’ve landed 10k icebergs on that boss (with all dogs up)

[unkempt arrow]

Getting the +1 hit epi on flash with -1 cost

Was so huge

My aoe potential is really high it’s just I have nowhere to use it

[charred citrus]

Yea flash has awrsome div epis too

[unkempt arrow]

I was hoping for that one or

-1 cost with vuln

I use her with Orlea tho so

+1 hit -1 cost was most ideal

[charred citrus]

Ya weakness is nice too

Subdue gives you stackable .2 multi plus vuln then always hitting weakness gives you an additional .5 on top

It starts getting juicy with morale stack but I get why they made freezing blade unique.

[unkempt arrow]

I’m gonna try for a better build

[charred citrus]

She fun in lab. Mainly bc all the gear can stack more multi on her

Isn’t livestream soon. I’m bored 😑

[hasty hearth]

like 9 hours 15 minutes

[charred citrus]

[cold acorn]

I like yuki design but her kit gives me jing yuan ptsd

How to scale

[charred citrus]

Her top copy target is subdue. 2nd is flash or if it lands a terrible epi >> iceberg.

Good rule of thumb always pick epis with “by”/vuln/morale on them. Think about stacking these modifiers since any buffs are magnified by her aoe targets for even more damage.

Weapon armor and acc in lab can all have multiplicative mods on them to increase her damage when you draw

[cold acorn]

I see!!!

The mods are multiplicative, makes sense. I keep thinking its like hsr where dmg% is diluted

[charred citrus]

Not all. It has to say ‘by’

If it’s just ‘+%’ then that bonus is additive

For ex. This is a bricked deck but notice the diff language on flash and subdue.

[solemn yacht]

Keep in mind multiplicative is based off of the base stats. So if the card originally does 200% damage, multiplicative will be twice as effective as additive.

If the card does 100% damage, multiplicative is the same as additive.

If the card does 50% damage, additive is twice as good as multiplicative.

Unfortunatly this isn't poe, multiplicative doesn't multiply together. They scale additively.

[unkempt arrow]

@charred citrus I freaking did it

This deck is so gross man

[charred citrus]

Perf with a cass or vero baby.

Lookin gooood

[charred citrus]

Yup yup. Basically if you crunch the numbers if the card is above 100% base multi starts pulling ahead of additive when equal.

If you’re comparing unequal bonuses just math it off card value

[solemn yacht]

Has anyone done the math / testing for Memory Fragement Stats? Like is Extra Attack Damage, and Passion Damage Multiplicative at the End? or does it get stacked on top of moral so it isn't very good?

[charred citrus]

So what I know for sure is: all fragment main and sub bonuses are factored in pre chaos bonuses

[unkempt arrow]

Need a peak Cassius one

I honestly dunno what that looks like

But ima need confiscation

[charred citrus]

Anything stat changes post entry are denoted by ( ) and are additive and not affected by % bonuses from frags

[lavish lark]

element cup should multiply everything tho

[charred citrus]

Specifically elemental damage has its own bucket and is factored in at the same time as other multipliers after enemy damage reductions and weakness are applied

But yea all multis get factored in but some have separate buckets is all.

[solemn yacht]

I saw someone claim extra damage in frag is a seperate bucket (? not sure if its true), but then again its not like you have that much control over it.

oh interesting, i found the status info screen in run. maybe I can just look for the extra damage weapon and see if it affects it

[charred citrus]

Ah you mean the substat. Since it’s from gear it would fall under the generic multiplicative multi in the formula if it’s multi…might be additive.

That bucket is card fx, gear bonuses, partner multi if exists.

Here’s a scuffed pic of the buckets from prydwen

But this is why I value vuln so highly. It’s one of the highest multis we can stack at .5

Weakness (ele adv) being .25 and you guys have seen what we get on gear and epis etc

TLDR: you’ll get big dick dam by having every bucket then stacking as much as you can of each

[solemn yacht]

okay sounds like the extra damage here is multiplicative then i guess

[charred citrus]

Easy way to tell will be card value

Test with vero ballista

[acoustic iron]

chizuru almost here and our tax returns too

hoping shes a great unit got all the potentials for her if she is

[trail lava]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3MfM_npLFQ

[meager junco]

hmm

so they play her with Tressa huh

[trail lava]

anti Mika synergy is interesting

so Rei is BIS

[meager junco]

why anti mika?

i didnt hear since i was doing something work related

she doesnt want healing?

oh she can heal herself a bit

passion luke?

haha what a fuck up XD

also headphones missing lol

patch is tomorrow right?

[trail lava]

can't gain AP

[meager junco]

oh

ok

idk im not sold on her yet

[trail lava]

im weak to wafius with swords so im pulling regardless

her animations nice as well

[meager junco]

i mean i like her design wise

but i got rin for void dps xd

and i dont realy wanna whale on this game tbh

since i wanna opt for buffers

pretty sure the last unit for this patch is a buffer

[trail lava]

we got 4 Void dps now lol

[meager junco]

yeah thats one reason

also shes gonna be in the standard banner as well later on

its sadge tho that we barely get any regular pulls anymore

[trail lava]

yeah christmas/new year limited character is coming soon as well

[worthy raft]

She has a mechanic that whole team can’t gain AP?

[trail lava]

yeah only at the start of turn/ravage

so Mika's useless

[meager junco]

fucking told YOU

and ive been told there wont be any anytime soon

[trail lava]

Rin and Chizuru set

[mellow bolt]

So chizuru is a multi hitter ?

That’s good that means she’s not an action count spammer

We need a dps that can do dmg without spam

I guess Renoa also does that and is also void lol

[meager junco]

yea

[mellow bolt]

She looks pretty fun tbh

Kind of different

[acoustic iron]

seriously no epiphanies

L stream

[meager junco]

JP has them

but not EN

scuffed

[acoustic iron]

link?

[meager junco]

https://www.youtube.com/live/bspK6PeHLfo

hes going over them

right now

[acoustic iron]

nice

[worthy raft]

Instinct dps set? Isn’t like next char supposed to be controller ?

[meager junco]

idk

she looks fine as hell 😮

[mellow bolt]

The ultimate selling factor at the end of the day

[meager junco]

GOONERIIEEEE

[lyric osprey]

Honestly instead of these they should do the same format as E7.. it could've been all made into a 3-5 min video

Smh

[meager junco]

they can do their livestream, nothing against it but please for fucks sake... show a video of her skill set, her ephis and some small gameplay compilation

similiar to what other games do like HSR for example

[trail lava]

wtf are they planning on the streams lol

not showing the banner and 4 stars

not showing ephis

only showing a bit of her gameplay and filled the rest with just texts

[mellow bolt]

What is opening?

Is that lead?

[trail lava]

should be Initiation

[mellow bolt]

Hmm

Also on twilight bond, is that second part of each card something that activates every turn?

Ok so chizuru seems more like a sub dps or enabler?

I don’t understand half of the things in her cards but it doesn’t look like much dmg

[lyric osprey]

wHy jp showing the scoring battle

en stream was so usless

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pccNvnLJ2tU

[meager junco]

en stream getting cucked as always

[trail lava]

the fact that 3 star partners are better than 5 star is also funny

[hasty hearth]

so chizuru

is essentially a more balanced mei lin

save data obtained via codex with dimensional tunnel option can be used in season content

so no new chaos...?

they just added 2 events to current one and boss

[meager junco]

for now no

[hasty hearth]

also for the orb of inhibition set

wtf is judgement's flames

this new set seems shit why wouldnt u just use 1 cost crit damage

[solemn yacht]

So basically she’s a sub dps support. Put on cursed shackle, have your main dps do a ton of hits, then finish off with shadow of the moon?

[hasty hearth]

no

shes main dps but requires a sub dps in order to function

[solemn yacht]

Seems kind of awkward to use since she doesn’t have draw or moral.

[hasty hearth]

literally mei lin with extra steps

[hasty hearth]

shes psionic so she has access to those cards

like gear bag, learning apparatus, etc

honestly if u run her with tressa maybe just slapping void set is best

[mellow bolt]

I’m gonna wait a week before I pull this time

Not gonna get baited by all of you early glazers like yuki

[hasty hearth]

shes literally worse mei lin

put nicely a more balanced mei lin

[mellow bolt]

Like a chaos run Mei Lin

[hasty hearth]

idk bout chaos

but kit wise

[mellow bolt]

Tbh if they didn’t make the standard banner units so op

These limited units wouldn’t be bad

[hasty hearth]

she's just balanced mei lin

ur goal with chizuru is to spam OTHER combatent attack cards when they have cursed shackles

so ur essentially at least right now kind of forced to use with tressa as she can spam 0 cost attack cards

idk what is applying inhibit tho

[mellow bolt]

Or luke

[hasty hearth]

yeah or luke

[mellow bolt]

After seeing that 1 vid I’m tempted to build luke

And he did it with a 0 copy luke, mine is at 4

[hasty hearth]

bro i wouldve built luke if mine was e2

[mellow bolt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSD_s9qrlXk

This one

[mellow bolt]

Who do you run him with in chaos?

[hasty hearth]

idk i dont use him mines lvl 1 lol

[mellow bolt]

Maybe I’ll build mine lol

I also had rei built for 2 weeks and never even used her in chaos lol

I lost my motivation cause the content outside of chaos is so easy

Ok if this new character is actually decent then I’ll build luke, otherwise back to the waiting room

[hasty hearth]

oh her upgrade card gives inhibit

bleghhh

her upgrade card seems so shit

epiphanies have to be good cuz base card is imo really fkin bad

like remove from deck tier

honestly cassius seems good with her too if u can get a lot of the 0 cost attack card

@mellow bolt the big thing i think is codex save data can be used in seasonal content

now we can farm other planets

[worthy raft]

For me it looks another few hoarder weeks.. although appearance wise she looks great.. the kit is kinda.. well , not interesting for me

[drifting flame]

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[hasty hearth]

character seems fun but yeah nothing screaming must pull

seems goal is just grab divine epiph karmic flames to change to 0 cost to stack hits onto shadow of the moon

would have to see bound at dusk epiphany but right now it seems like remove tier unless u dont plan to run with mika

[mellow bolt]

oh ya i forgot it couldnt before lol

nice, now we dont need to grind shitty seasonal chaos if it's shitty

i honestly think the problem is the standard units were too OP lol

and now luke joined that too

hugo+tressa, Mei lin + vero, renoa, luke

all can do massive dmg consistently

[hasty hearth]

yeah

[mellow bolt]

like why pull limited units when they cant even get close to the potential

even my c6 haru with a really strong deck cant compete lol

[hasty hearth]

we gonna see first time ever "content can't be ran with launch units"?

[mellow bolt]

yep lol, this is my first game where standard units were way more OP

it's actually very difficult for them to powercreep these units too without some boss mechanic to counter spam

cause how are u gonna powercreep 50k+ dmg turns lol

[hasty hearth]

release units that can do 100k+ turns

they buff bosses so hard that need the new unit

[solemn yacht]

Form two teams and battle an unkillable boss. Rankings are determined by the total damage dealt.

Yoooo

[hasty hearth]

what u mean

[solemn yacht]

Merit rankings are determined based on the highest record achieved in the Great Rift.
• Merit rankings are displayed up to Rank 1,000.

[hasty hearth]

it's gonna be meme fest

[solemn yacht]

Release the whales

🐳

[hasty hearth]

whales? More like just whoever has the best mei lin comp + renoa/hugo + tressa/luke comp

it's an absolute meme unless boss has actual mechanics that deny action spam

[unkempt arrow]

Every time I check this chat it seems like hella dooming lol

Not that its inherently wrong tho

[hasty hearth]

what u mean

galactic rift is exactly that tho

if boss doesnt have some form of denying action spam

it's gonna be absolute meme fest

[unkempt arrow]

I need to get some AP gen on my Cassius now

Or Vero

[hasty hearth]

imma just get all the rewards then dip

[solemn yacht]

Reddit is going to mald at the rankings lool

[hasty hearth]

what's there to mald about

"oh no my e0 mei lin that only does 4 million damage lost to the e6 whale mei lin that did 6 million damage"

like ????

honestly at this point i really do hope they straight up ban the launch units

no idea how they gonna make new units relevent since they keeping their power levels lower/more balanced

[solemn yacht]

Smilegate is fine with just making a little money and milking whales

Much more expensive to have whales go hard on standard than rate up

[hasty hearth]

problem is even whales arent going to want to pull new units

[solemn yacht]

Of course they will make better units in the future

I think smilegate is really happy with the player numbers and just want to keep as many people as long as possible

[hasty hearth]

well that's the other problem

[solemn yacht]

But the rankings is how they will monetize hahaha

[hasty hearth]

we need content to justify for new units, but that aint happening

it's a wait and see moment for how they handle season 2 really

[solemn yacht]

Whaling for e6 luke is much more expensive than rate up. Same with partners haha

The content will just be rankings, and they eventually will release characters and partners for rankings

[hasty hearth]

the only thing that would shock me in a good way is if this galactic rift boss actually punishes the current meta comps

doubt it will but one can hope

honestly they shot themselves in the foot when they said "no nerfs will ever happen starting from launch"

now they forever stuck with these problematic standard units

the issue tho is yes there are ways to deal with action spam but that impacts all units not just current meta comps

like chizuru for example would be affected by that

u could argue to a lesser degree and sure that is true but we'll have to see how impactful like 5 card limit is across all the characters

[solemn yacht]

Na, everything besides rankings will be pretty casual. Keep the massive playerbase to encourage whales to go ham on rankings hahaha

[hasty hearth]

i mean

[solemn yacht]

It’s going to work on me, finally I have a reason to pull out the credit card

[hasty hearth]

moo and i are whales and we both think rankings is pointless

we all know its going to be dominated by the same exact teams

and yeah u could say that applies to every ranking in any game but this game is more clear cut it's just a measure of who has the best rng deck made for those teams

[granite stump]

i mean look at the rewards

its so whatever

[hasty hearth]

were rewards revealed for it?

[granite stump]

just to flex master rank

[granite stump]

you wont get any gacha currency besides these photographs

[granite stump]

in the patch notes

[hasty hearth]

well that's what whales loveeeee

[granite stump]

i mean yeah thats totally fine im trying to get it too

but rewards wise its not a huge difference between master and the lowest rank

so people should stfu about "p2w"

[hasty hearth]

wait

this shit also has order weakness

looks like luke might be a go to team

[granite stump]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ChaosZeroNightmare/comments/1pc6ojt/leaderboard_ranking_rewards_for_the_new_event/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[hasty hearth]

honestly the only W i see is the save data from codex

[granite stump]

here they showed it in JP stream

[hasty hearth]

oh nice thanks

[granite stump]

as you can see its not that big of a deal

[hasty hearth]

yeah rewards are really miniscule which i guess is overall good thing for the game

[granite stump]

its fine
ill treat it more like time attack in world flipper

and people should do it too

[hasty hearth]

oh i get it

this new set is a support set

well offensive support i guess

huh theres no new battle pass?

[worthy raft]

Maybe after update ?

[drifting flame]

New BP? I can finally unbrick account

[hasty hearth]

yeah might just be same one so they didnt add to changelog since it technically isnt new

[worthy raft]

I don’t think they’ll remove it , easy money and if yes oh boy… those without nyx will be utterly furious xD

And bricked

[granite stump]

imma be real

i barely use nyx

like fr

when you have a setup that works you dont need her

she makes chaos runs a little bit easier but even then most of the time i rather use some other ego skill like veronica or some shit

[unkempt arrow]

Nyx is still the best by far

I guess ima skip Chizuru and just build Luke and Kayron

Gonna spend 700 for that E3 dupe and Bria

[worthy raft]

Well.. if you don’t have absolutely perfect decks for clearing basin etc , this one time reload can literally unbrick your 1 whole bricked turn which can be difference between 3* or not

[unkempt arrow]

Or I could aim for E2 Luke

[hasty hearth]

rich as hell

[unkempt arrow]

I Wish

Lowkey thinking E2 Luke might be more worth tho

And slightly cheaper at 400+ omega

But since I have enough to flat out buy the 2nd dupe might save omega

[unkempt arrow]

Real

Another episode of could’ve been insane codex

Dang well the game is healing

The boss seems to be immune to multi hit attacks?

[hasty hearth]

galactic rift? But isn't that what chizuru does so the boss literally punishes u for using chizuru?

[unkempt arrow]

That’s what I’m trynna see now

I think they are aiming to specifically gimp Mei

But that “gimp” needs to be dang near a straight up ban

Cuz even gimped she’s insane

[hasty hearth]

is she tho

i mean using like 6 basics is good

but i wouldnt call that insane

like 99% of her power is stacking her 1 card to hit a fk ton of times

[lavish lark]

goddamn..

[unkempt arrow]

U see this gimped ass character is the reason people are depressed lol

Also apparently

[hasty hearth]

that card is so fkin bad

like remove tier

[unkempt arrow]

The boss stops multi hit after 7hits

[lavish lark]

what card

look at the side boob

[hasty hearth]

bound at dusk

[unkempt arrow]

By gaining dmg reduction after 7+ hits from one card

[hasty hearth]

oh so u can u cant do more than 7 multi hit

honestly surprised devs gimped mei lin thank god

also gimps luke

[lavish lark]

isnt bound at dusk just 1 free ap per turn?

[hasty hearth]

no

u see the word inhibit

it's a debuff u get

"u cant get AP except for starting AP or inflicting ravage"

it's actual garbage

[unkempt arrow]

I think this boss is definitely

[lavish lark]

i see

[unkempt arrow]

Tailored for someone like Tressa

[lavish lark]

but u get 1 free ap per turn

[hasty hearth]

also technically not true

u only get 1 free ap if the card u first use is chizuru

[lavish lark]

[unkempt arrow]

@lyric osprey ur time has come my guy

Tressa meta

[hasty hearth]

yeah seems like renoa and tressa tbh

[unkempt arrow]

I can dig it honestly

[hasty hearth]

maybe chizuru but would have to see damage ceiling on that

yo but maybe

KAYRON THO?

[lavish lark]

they keep doing retain cards that don't have a retain effect

[hasty hearth]

u do have 10 turns

is it finally time

machine gun kayron?

[hasty hearth]

RIP

[unkempt arrow]

[meager junco]

https://i.imgur.com/xeVFJDi.png

if only she was AOE 😄

[hasty hearth]

15k rookie numbers

[unkempt arrow]

U used Overwhelm to do that? lol

[meager junco]

i mean

she doesnt have aoe so yea, only option

[hasty hearth]

oh true u can

rin the boss too

[unkempt arrow]

Facts

[hasty hearth]

granted pretty sure leaderboard at least the top

[unkempt arrow]

Rin can definitely cook here

[charred citrus]

Is she rly… a vero replacement

[hasty hearth]

is just renoa and tressa

[charred citrus]

L stream fasho 😂

[hasty hearth]

if only i had the god renoa build

RIP

[unkempt arrow]

My Reona is super close

[hasty hearth]

500k renoa 1 turn feelsbad

dream dead

[unkempt arrow]

My Cassius is the one

Holding me back

[hasty hearth]

well time to just nia renoa the boss

[unkempt arrow]

It’s sad the 4stars are what make me pull these banners lol

Only reason my Yuki is E3 is because of Nia

I chased E6

Hoping hers is uh Amir

[lavish lark]

I have E8 Amir or something

E2 Orlea and E1 Luke.. ( only paid for monthly and bpass btw )

[charred citrus]

I guess I e2 Luke with selector then waiting room…

[mellow bolt]

@hasty hearth u gonna play the poe2 season?

[charred citrus]

Did they release her egos?

[hasty hearth]

probably

[mellow bolt]

if i do, i m not gonna rmt this time

but we'll see, cause WWM is keeping me quite busy

[hasty hearth]

rmting in poe is so dumb dude

[mellow bolt]

i m farming mats for my luke now

im inspired by that vid

[mellow bolt]

yeh it's cause of fubgun

fkin made it impossible to build last time

[lavish lark]

lets see if they finally let us play druid

[mellow bolt]

had no choice but to rmt

[charred citrus]

Been waiting. Now’s the time since chizuru is more subdpsish

Yea miracle right. Poe2 rmt kills the game loop

We talked about this haha

Never play fungun builds unless you rich

[lavish lark]

just play HCSSF ... problem solved

[charred citrus]

Solid strat is always profit OFF of fubgun builds

[mellow bolt]

SSF i can see the appeal....but not HC

death = uninstall and wait for next season

[mellow bolt]

lol this is pretty smart ngl

[charred citrus]

Hc is for diehards. I like pushing limits too much in arpgs

Hopefully Druid has some farming nodes

[lavish lark]

I don't even enjoy playing if it's not HC anymore

[charred citrus]

Something to nick tailwind meta

[charred citrus]

0 stakes feeling?

[lavish lark]

pretty much

[charred citrus]

I used to play hc in d3 so I get it. Poe2 has so much upgrade dopamine and progression tho. Feels less necessary for me

[lavish lark]

playing HC in d3 was a meme tho.. it was very hard to die there

unless u played the first 2 weeks

[charred citrus]

True that’s why normal was just not worth

[lavish lark]

those Lacuni.. aware

[charred citrus]

Don’t rmt this time and set goals.

Like clear every max tier boss.

Or pushing max deli.

[unkempt arrow]

I would play too cuz why not but

Swamped with school

Can’t grind how I’d want to

[charred citrus]

Yea first week is always the most fun but time consuming af

[unkempt arrow]

Rei and Tressa are the 4stars for Chizuru? Perfect

Can skip with no complaints

Both of them are e6 already

I think the only one I don’t have E6 is Cassius unfortunately

[lavish lark]

mine are both E3

[unkempt arrow]

[charred citrus]

Pull for rei e6 then chill :/

These sets look awful

[hasty hearth]

the void one is offensive support

because it raises all void damage

[charred citrus]

It’s still additive tho

And puny

[hasty hearth]

yeah

legit only tressa or chizuru can use it and even then not great

or renoa but nice meme

[charred citrus]

+20% is poopoo man

You saw they plan on adding a tower lol?

[hasty hearth]

the instinct set is wtf tho

[charred citrus]

Typical gacha fashion

Need content? Add tower.

[hasty hearth]

free content is free

[charred citrus]

Yea. I guess that’s a good way to look at it

Maybe they’ll do it well like 7k tower

Each floor needs a specific Strat/comp

[hasty hearth]

i mean idk how tower is really that different from basin tho

unless they plan to make it harder

[charred citrus]

(Then they released Kyle who just blasts through every mechanic until fl 200)

[hasty hearth]

plot twist

tower restricts characters

forced to use owen for entire thing

those bastards

[charred citrus]

Specific floors punish draw

2 weaken for every additional draw

[hasty hearth]

id laugh if it said

"dudes only"

[charred citrus]

Next floor extra attacks cause counteratk 9000

Next floor pp only haha

[hasty hearth]

i mean

[charred citrus]

Flat is justice floor

[hasty hearth]

weaken one isnt even bad

[charred citrus]

Dd side boob floor

[hasty hearth]

whoopedie doo -20% damage perma

like thats gonna stop mei lin from 1 shotting

[charred citrus]

True would need high hp total

[unkempt arrow]

TAC went through this as well actually now that I think about it

When they make Chole SP she was so broken

Every Ultra Hell Quest for like the next 8montha

Could be done with just her and full cleared even tho they were tailored for new units

[charred citrus]

I don’t mind it. It motivates the f2ps/light spenders

[unkempt arrow]

Took them almost an entire year to start making anti chole quests

[charred citrus]

The lifeblood of the game pop

[unkempt arrow]

Right. That’s why it was so hard to balance those quests in the first place

[granite stump]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ChaosZeroNightmare/comments/1pcb1cl/updated_leveling_costs_from_jp_livestream/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

updated leveling cost from jp livestream

[charred citrus]

Ridiculous

[hasty hearth]

man

the global stream is an absolute joke

[charred citrus]

Why even have lvls lol

[granite stump]

i can prob max out all my chars once that update drops

[granite stump]

stat increase

time sink

gold sink

[charred citrus]

Oh totally being sarcastic

[granite stump]

https://tenor.com/view/react-gross-cringe-what-gif-26403746

[charred citrus]

It’s just funny how drastic they are going

[granite stump]

promotion cost are still the same

which is fine

and materials for promotion are also the same

so not really that drastic

[charred citrus]

Dunno with this livestream stonks are down for me

[granite stump]

it was just way way way to high

[charred citrus]

I don’t see chizuru topping 10m. What you guys think?

[granite stump]

wdym topping 10m ?

revenue ?

[charred citrus]

Yea Nov rev was 10m after 6m launch week

[granite stump]

her partner alone might go over that 10m haha

thats some really good partner

[lavish lark]

can also be used with Tressa.. cause Eloise fking sucks

[granite stump]

exactly

really really solid partner

[lavish lark]

fierce winds is actually insane on tressa

[charred citrus]

Agree but I’m done playing Tressa so 🤔

[hasty hearth]

true could just slap the partner on tressa

[granite stump]

thats why i said prob the partner alone gonna generate some really solid revenue

way better then westmascott

[charred citrus]

I doubt it honestly but who knows

Just thinking about our whales buying behavior

Miracle set fire to $500 trying for rei copies

Moo the same for Haru e6 but partner is 1 copy gucci kinda thing

Chizuru kit is ambitious tho.

Her egos.

Same formula spike wise.

[mellow bolt]

2x cheaper nice

so are we getting the new stuff tmrw?

or is it after today's reset

[lavish lark]

u could say it's tmrw for you

[mellow bolt]

are we not on the same reset?

[lavish lark]

yeah but its not at reset time

[meager junco]

maintenance is in 6h 40min

and it will be for like what.. 5h?

so roughly another 11-12h till the patch goes live

[mellow bolt]

ah ok so it's in this reset nice

[meager junco]

yeah after this reset happens

fml i cant 3* stage 9

[drifting flame]

Haven’t attempted yet

[meager junco]

10mins left

gogogo

[austere wing]

I did it with these teams

[worldly ingot]

That'll do this time

[meager junco]

it was kinda funny how stage 10 was easier for me

[lavish lark]

stage 10 is much easier for everyone

[meager junco]

how come

[lavish lark]

less tanky

[meager junco]

my issue wasnt tankyness

it was the fucking spam of filling my deck with debuff cards

i kept getting 1-2 turns full hands of that shit so a free turn skip...

[hasty hearth]

well isn't that technically tankyness then or another way to look at it do enough damage to 1 turn it

man really unlucky with the card gacha

[acoustic iron]

@charred citrus yeah ima just get all void units ig

[nocturne kelp]

can someone show me their mei lin build?

[granite stump]

is mostly the same everyone is chasing

get 3-4 copies of "move 2 strike to your hand" + the card that gets +hits per passion card used that turn

for the upgrade card its tenacity dmg

[nocturne kelp]

is the new sword girl good as well?

[granite stump]

she is alright in the right team comp

[nocturne kelp]

do we remove anything?

[granite stump]

but not game breaking

[granite stump]

shield

[lavish lark]

the shield and the epic in my opinion.. the 2 cost destroy one

it's usually not that worth

[granite stump]

also get this

[charred citrus]

She’s gonna be solid for your other void units unironically

Funny how that worked out lmao

[nocturne kelp]

also how does combo work?

[acoustic iron]

yeah my reasoning is she and tressa decimate any boss together

rin is just fun

and renoa is my "aoe" unit

[charred citrus]

You need enough card draw to draw multiples of her move/create basic and the +hit per passion card used on dragon spire epi

[granite stump]

also pair mei lin with selena if you wanna go for the chad build

[acoustic iron]

I think there's a difference between other combatant combo and same as user combo but it doesnt specify so play test

[nocturne kelp]

right okay

[acoustic iron]

we dont talk about kayron

homies still lv 20

[charred citrus]

Don’t blame ya

You got all the girls lol

You still playing Eversoul?

[acoustic iron]

nahhh

I only play czn for gacha i dropped all others

focusing on trading more so.my free time goes to that

[nocturne kelp]

u guys gona pull multiple copies or no?

[charred citrus]

Of chiz?

[nocturne kelp]

yerp

[acoustic iron]

im probably going until max rei and tressa

insane 4star rate up

[nocturne kelp]

oh

is that the 4*

i might do the same then

[charred citrus]

Yea see how many I get til e6 rei

[acoustic iron]

yeah

[nocturne kelp]

im only couple copies off

[charred citrus]

Don’t plan on spending at all tho

[lavish lark]

she shares with Rei and Tressa...

[nocturne kelp]

same yeah

[acoustic iron]

also serenial could be the first instinct dps if that set release is a teaser

[nocturne kelp]

perfect combination lol

this game kinda generous

[acoustic iron]

so idk if shes the unit we all thought initially

[charred citrus]

We thought she was support

[acoustic iron]

yeah

but im not upset about a instinct dps

[charred citrus]

But who knows maybe the leaks were fake news

[acoustic iron]

Although I doubt the first one will be broken

[nocturne kelp]

missing rei 1 copy and 3 tressa

hopefully can get it in one rotation

[acoustic iron]

I need so many rei

but jist 2 tressa

[charred citrus]

I just need 2

[granite stump]

you gonna get tons of em

[nocturne kelp]

must pull banner anyway

regardless if u want chizuru or not

[charred citrus]

I’ll pass on Tressa. Played her to death on Hugo acct

Spawn dagger drag dagger no brain used

[granite stump]

btw dont sleep on selena

[acoustic iron]

its fun for me

[charred citrus]

Makes me fall sleep

[acoustic iron]

I like brain dead

[charred citrus]

Do 30 chaos runs

Will become zzz

[acoustic iron]

yeah no

I barely do 4 a week

[granite stump]

selena + vero with piercing ballista is such an easy Judas 10 cheese

[acoustic iron]

early stages is just farming mats for everyone and doing the bare minimum

[nocturne kelp]

banner in 11 hours?

[charred citrus]

Piercing is coo but the rally devour tech trivializes him too

There are a ton of builds that can 1 rd him. Mei renoa Luke Hugo+tress haru rin

[lavish lark]

Judas is not a threat if u are a Tressa enjoyer

[granite stump]

its not

its just also a very cool cheese

[nocturne kelp]

so mei lin still bis dps ?

in terms of damage?

wondering if i should pivot now or wait and still build my mei lin

[charred citrus]

Agony is strong af ya

[granite stump]

you thinking wrong of the game

BiS dps like whats your team ?

whats your setup

what you wanna do

[nocturne kelp]

idek

[lavish lark]

every dps is strong in a good setup

[nocturne kelp]

i have decent amount of characters

[lavish lark]

mei lin just cheeses with Vero/Cassius

[nocturne kelp]

i still dont know what i wana run

[charred citrus]

Context like Mei has the highest and easiest to use sim dps

But running chaos is the loop

[nocturne kelp]

should i post my box and you guys give me a quick run down

[charred citrus]

Play the decks you find engaging imo

[granite stump]

go and read the characters and then come up with a combo

[charred citrus]

Bc sooner or later you gonna get bored and try new decks/teams

Hugo tree, renoa rei, Luke vero, Mei vero, rin rei, haru khal are all strong chaos combos

[granite stump]

orlea rin goes nuts

[nocturne kelp]

yeah

need to find whats fun

[charred citrus]

True there’s another

[granite stump]

then play the game and try out

[nocturne kelp]

i am

all boring

[granite stump]

you dont have any limits going into chaos

[nocturne kelp]

lmao

from what i tried anyway

[granite stump]

is it because you dont get the combo you want or because there is no synergy ?

[nocturne kelp]

can b a skill issue too

not knowing what cards to pick etc or toss

like i just ignore the random cards i can g et

except the enemy action halt ones

im running hugo tressa, yeah tahts fun

[granite stump]

sounds like you didnt took your time to understand some game mechanics that can pop up on cards

[nocturne kelp]

yeah where do i even startt

[granite stump]

like coordinated attacks and shit

[granite stump]

go to the game8 site and look up a char you find interesting

then read the page

[nocturne kelp]

i never look at guides just started playing and translation is kinda ass

[granite stump]

for example we take uuuhh luke

https://game8.co/games/Chaos-Zero-Nightmare/archives/560625

it shows alternate team members and stuff

prob the most important thing is to look up a char and understand what its trying to do like what its purpose and what can it do with epi

this game doesnt really hold your hand on that like other hero collectors that get shit out every week it wants you to use your brain (so you can turn off your brain with a solid setup)

[acoustic iron]

yeah Luke is so good man

im excited to see him and chizuru

with dance creating stacks

chizuru will pop off

[charred citrus]

Yea I’m gonna e2 mine

See if that keeps me going

I am gonna try rin chiz rei too

[granite stump]

people placed him t3 on release

now people where high enough rank to farm some good memory cores and stuff and woow look at him he T0.5 now

fr this one of the gacha games i hate tier lists

[acoustic iron]

yeah for sure

but we always knew Luke would shine over time

since his kit required better stats

[granite stump]

ofc everyone who has eyes and a braincell knew

[nocturne kelp]

At what point should I start farming cores

I’m level 44 atm

[acoustic iron]

most of your cores will come.from chaos runs

but I like to do 1-2 frag a day rest potentials

[nocturne kelp]

Yeah okay

[acoustic iron]

40 unlocks highest diff no?

[nocturne kelp]

50

[acoustic iron]

ah shit so yeah till then its just rely on chaos

[hollow ledge]

mei lin if she was fair and balanced and just made her basic attacks punchier

[acoustic iron]

so does chizuru come out with the update or will she come out before maintenance?

yuki says 1hr left

[still sedge]

after maint

so in 6h

since i dont have a void dps ill pull her and get rei dupes while at it

[acoustic iron]

Yeah her rate ups are so good

maybe i get her e2 if im lucky

but i wanna finish rei and tressa

so the maint is starting in 6hrs or ending in 6

[lavish lark]

ending

[acoustic iron]

oh shit sweet

guess i can finally use these pulls

[thick relic]

How long of maint?

[lavish lark]

5 more hours afaik

[hallow trout]

@hasty hearth time to e6 e6 chizu and her partner?

[lavish lark]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1064251784324988968/1230656756376670208/classique.gif

[hasty hearth]

typical korean ceo end

[manic knot]

sounds easy for yacht owner miracle

[hasty hearth]

da fuq thats u not me

[charred citrus]

Don’t be so humble

[hallow trout]

dont try to hide we know you secretly that Scy guy

[hasty hearth]

whos scy

[hallow trout]

you

[acoustic iron]

[mellow bolt]

ill show you

i m on their boat right now

lol

[solemn yacht]

I think you can farm up to difficulty 9/10 in normal chaos, which will allow you to get 3 gold pieces. That being said, yes I think 50 is needed for the best save data in seasonal.

I think maybe after the update since you will be able to add dimensional tunnel in normal chaos you can get 'good enough' seasonal save data, while also farming gold pieces at lvl 40

[mellow bolt]

@hallow trout youre not buying a boat?

[hasty hearth]

too poor for him he rather have a real boat

along with his private jet

[mellow bolt]

@hasty hearth you should come play this game

there's proximity chat

people partying on this boat and playing mahjong and shit lol

there are girls for you to goon on too

[hasty hearth]

no thanks not interested

[mellow bolt]

cause no lolis

[hasty hearth]

hell i might skip chizuru

for now ill do what moo is doing

wait a week and see what people think

[lavish lark]

u did spend a ton for Rei E6

[hasty hearth]

dont remind me

[drifting flame]

[hallow trout]

[mellow bolt]

when is update over

[mellow bolt]

and ya not gonna happen

as you as you hear some hype, your fomo will kick in

[charred citrus]

Wouldn’t blame him. Outside of Tressa teams prolly gonna feel clunky

[mellow bolt]

He falls for fomo easily

[charred citrus]

At least they did another bug fix for his renoa

He prolly happy af

[drifting flame]

Can’t have fomo if she’s going to standard afterwards

[solemn yacht]

I probably should skip her, but i just might pull for the lolz

She really dosen't look very good

Especially now with rankings, it’s prob better to finish my carries than invest in some chaos only character

[stuck idol]

is the game up yet

[hasty hearth]

says u

[acoustic iron]

thats actually cool as hell

man im so cooked staying up just to do pulls

[meager junco]

that my man... is called addiction

[acoustic iron]

yeah

[meager junco]

maint got extended by 1h

[acoustic iron]

between czn and watching the market at 2am

[meager junco]

[acoustic iron]

NAH

[meager junco]

7AM instead of 6AM UTC

[acoustic iron]

bro

[meager junco]

go to sleep 😄

[acoustic iron]

nah im staying up for markets anyways

but fuck

I wanted to roll

[meager junco]

what market is opening?

[acoustic iron]

London open at 2am

futures

[meager junco]

US stock market is not it since it opens way later

ah

[acoustic iron]

that really sucks man I was really looking forward to pulling

I need my new void unit

gotta collect them all atp

[meager junco]

i love her design

but i have rin for void dps... im fucking torn... i WANT but i dont need her.. yikes

ya know what... imma throw maybe 1-3 mults in and see if i can get an early or not

[acoustic iron]

im the biggest rin main too

but still want lol

rin is selfish chizuru is more team focused so its a different flavor of katana gameplay

im only 28 away from first copy lets see how many pulls I need to max tressa and rei though

ill need her partner too

[hasty hearth]

all about having fun

if chizuru will make u have fun then why not

who cares if it's another same element

[meager junco]

https://x.com/CZN_Official_EN/status/1996051769450012975

Chaos Zero Nightmare (@CZN_Official_EN)

◤Chizuru’s Concept Art Revealed ◢

「You found me even though I was hidden... I’ll end you in a single strike!」

Check out the concept art for Chizuru, the successor of the Moon Shadow Sword and shaman from the planet Umishiro!

#CHAOSZERONIGHTMARE #CZN #ChaosZeroNightmare

X · Dec 3, 2025, 3:00 AM

https://www.rxddit.com/r/ChaosZeroNightmare/comments/1pcvexj/wallpapers_chizuru/

first one looks good, rest meh

[drifting flame]

[meager junco]

ITS UP

[acoustic iron]

bruh why does the servers gotta be so slow

[meager junco]

10m

jejas

[acoustic iron]

🫣

HOLY

[acoustic iron]

how many units you gonna lv 60 now

[meager junco]

as many as i can

ill be hard capped by exp mats tho

[meager junco]

71k only lol

[hollow ledge]

BIG

[acoustic iron]

i tried to claim my 100k and client closed

Lol

[acoustic iron]

huh

GG

[meager junco]

hmmm i can get a 5* in the next 15 pulls

[acoustic iron]

OMG

i got a early

first 10 after pity

MAGNA

[meager junco]

wew

[acoustic iron]

literally 2 pity lol

i guess i can e2 if i want

[meager junco]

oh i won 50/50

[acoustic iron]

i think i get partner before extra copies right?

psionics have shitty partners for her

lol I needed 1 each

ggs

kk E2 secured

went from 300 to 476 of the mats needed get partner

farming those max duped units is OP

[meager junco]

😄

[solemn yacht]

intresting, score will increase by 110% if rearguard perfectly blocks attack

Also the boss has a debufff for hitting more than 7 times with a targeting attack lol

oh wow, some of my later mei lin hits got reduced to like 1 damage i think

[trail lava]

bro im out of slot

[acoustic iron]

ive never used that feature wth

[granite stump]

Need better crit chance

[worthy raft]

E2 first single after getting her. And 5 multis after E3 with Haru …well…might as well go E4 and than E6 with dupe from zeronium shop and dupe from new chaos shop

That’s how pulling for rei looks like lol

[acoustic iron]

GODDAMN

may as well prio the weapon

theres not many good options for a psionic dps

[trail lava]

isn't the 3 star partner good?

i kept hearing 3 star partners are better than 5 star

[meager junco]

it depends

[acoustic iron]

me too lol

thats e2 haru as well now

[granite stump]

Fixed the crit chance

[acoustic iron]

I guess i have to just finish her E4 now

[meager junco]

Blanche lol

oh look, i have gotten her 😄

[worthy raft]

Weapon already secured.. was like first thing I got before even chizuru herself.. was in mindset like lets see if I get partner in 60 (since my luck fucking sucked until this point, extreme high near full pities for everything) and I got it in that 60 and then went like lete try getting rei while also chizuru.. and well , got E3 chizuru at same rate as rei from E3 to E5 with like 10 Tressa’s so .. heh

[worthy raft]

Gj there

[acoustic iron]

holy

[acoustic iron]

so we but sitting at e3 lol

not the worst e4 is good

ill definitely finish her

[trail lava]

nahh what is this anti Mei Lin tech

im doing 1 damage per kick 💀

[worthy raft]

Already at E4 and thinking about that E6 by shops xD

[acoustic iron]

lmao good shes ungodly broken

[pseudo parcel]

First yuki now chizuru. Wonder what the next character design for gooner will be

[meager junco]

rookie numbers

[acoustic iron]

yeah its bugged

shes gonna get nerfed sadly

[meager junco]

just visual

or dmg wise too?

[acoustic iron]

no the stacks

[meager junco]

it should cap right

[acoustic iron]

are being added by other combatants

[meager junco]

oh

[acoustic iron]

its not meant to

specifically tsukiyomi card

[silver oriole]

ive been half dying to ask in the 10min wait 😂

how many tsukuyomi cards and how many turns did this take?

Also what happens once Moon+ is binded 5 if we get more OniFire. Binded 6?

[pseudo parcel]

Clearly by design.

[acoustic iron]

would like that to be the case but the card says her attacks not others

[granite stump]

doesnt really look bugged because all of her stuff stacks because her tsukoyoumi or whatever that shit called also stacks the hits

[acoustic iron]

the bug is on their official site guys

[granite stump]

so if you copy it it 4x with the +2 hit all of em stag

[acoustic iron]

im just relaying what they posted

[granite stump]

yeah

so

still the hits stack

[silver oriole]

so... basically in current bugged state. her tsukuyomi is broken Owen whole core kit at 0 cost?

doesnt seem to affect her own gameplay tho??

[mellow bolt]

Who do you run chizuru with in chaos?

[drifting flame]

Chizuru yuki another bewbs

[mellow bolt]

Sounds like a great chaos difficulty 1 team

[meager junco]

not mine so i cant answer that, the poster did also not explain anything beyond the pic

[meager junco]

i saw Rei being used a lot

other than that someone said Luke would be the BiS for her

due to his multiple multiple hit cards

u wanna pair her with a buffer/sustainer + anyone else that can push multiple hits

[mellow bolt]

I guess time to lvl up Luke

Rei Luke and chizuru?

Ngl this team sounds so bait in chaos lol I’ll give it a try

I’ll stick to a lower difficulty

[meager junco]

xD

[mellow bolt]

Ok so with the bug she’s good

Without it she’s mid af lol

[hasty hearth]

they changed the art on quick shelling da heck

[unkempt arrow]

I saw her do around 6.5k to 7.5k after stacking

Haru slings that in her sleep so ion know

Imma get the partner 100% tho

[mellow bolt]

She bugged tho

So even with the bug her potential is mid lol

[unkempt arrow]

Bruh wth