#CZN gooner gang godz only

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hallow trout
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i like 25 on all of em

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think its mainly gear im missing then

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i gotta start taking the trash gear

rain rain
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mostly for exterior the base fate cards I try to focus run buffs, then interior damage buffs if at all possible

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like for exterior picking the increased rare node chance is nice, though obviously in event it's a bit murkier due to the new cards there

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just note that continual buffs for the run duration >>> immediate one off buffs forthe most part, because exterior buffs continue to apply during interior of the same run

hasty hearth
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I just grab the important stuff

faint onyx
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Yeah my favorite is the 1 AP for boss and elite . Or the decrease 1 cost to random card

rain rain
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so like if you're running vero or tressa, picking the 25% chance to create a duplicate card upon card creation is a good pick for exterior

rain rain
faint onyx
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I mean I never see envy with that 1ap together

rain rain
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cuz there's plenty of options via items and characters (mika especially) to increase ap in a turn

faint onyx
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Whatever is based on AP/Cost I instant pick

rain rain
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I mean sure you can do that, but I'd rather have the extra dmg output from envy than +1 ap / turn for boss/elites only

hasty hearth
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I mean it’s just pick whatever best u get with team u have

rain rain
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yea

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but generally I find envy to be the best general purpose one for non-event interior

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that's just my experience tho, it could be different for others

faint onyx
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What’s envy again

hasty hearth
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Like normally +400 gold but no gold from battles isn’t good but if u have affix with reduced credits by like 60% then it becomes a solid choice

faint onyx
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Is that the one where the enemy is morale

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But you get AP

rain rain
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every ap used = 1 morale

faint onyx
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oh that

rain rain
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basically negates any morale debuffs + massively increases your output

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because with like tressa/hugo and her 0 cost daggers you can sit at 3 ap used for the turn and continually get +60% boost on both the daggers used AND hugos extra attack output

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and it probably becomes a bigger boost with hugo's hunt stack buff multiplier too

hasty hearth
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I mean it’a definitely a mix of preference, affixes, and what team ur running

rain rain
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plenty of options yep, just stating my preference

hasty hearth
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25% to create card when creating is normally trash but if ur playing Tressa or renoa as examples then it’s good

rain rain
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yeah, can be useful for vero too

hasty hearth
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Credit one is also not good but if ur running affix it becomes good

rain rain
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yup, so basically situational + team + affix dependant

hasty hearth
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Convert basic card to neutral card is good but if running Mei Lin it’s trash

rain rain
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personally I try to avoid that coversion one cuz it can fk with attempting to farm save data for a character

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it's fun to play around with tho if you get a good conversion

hasty hearth
rain rain
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it's coversion + neutral card cost tho

hasty hearth
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It’s op even if the cards u get aren’t the “BiS”

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That’s still cheaper than removing the 3 together

rain rain
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it's good yes, but I've gotten bad crap like double fruit on a dps

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which basically was like "lol this run is dead from word go"

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cuz it's rng which 3 it picks, and it's not limited to 1/char

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not saying it's bad but it's definitely rng what you get

hasty hearth
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I mean yeah that sucks but overall it’s pretty op with obvious exceptions to characters that need their basic like Mei Lin

rain rain
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yup

hasty hearth
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It saves u huge gold amount

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Saves u save data

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And on average u get things better than basic card

rain rain
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yea

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it can defo be good, i just play a lot with chars where their basics are decently important/useful

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like losing khalipe upward slash basically gimps a run

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not outright bricks fortunately, but it's definitely a gimp if you lose that initial aoe 2 cost to proc vulture

acoustic iron
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where is my passion dps guys

hasty hearth
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Heck could put it on vero too

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Or better yet

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Ur boy Lucas!!

acoustic iron
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its only Lucas lol

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still waiting for either mei or Veronica

hasty hearth
daring sleet
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Selena goated as well

worthy raft
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this equip is so OP for t1 if you have more initiation cards

lavish lark
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that doesn't look too random

charred citrus
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Yea sphere is strong

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lot of the free shielding is in the hp slot as well. Rly easy to not realize how good they are

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Especially when stacked

hasty hearth
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Its just a shadow of its glorious past in beta

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Man that item was so fun in beta

acoustic iron
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but i highly doubt it

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ill just save this for veronica when all of her stuff is prefarmed

faint onyx
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Almost all of 4 sets are dog shit yet they drop the most

charred citrus
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I wouldn’t mind some more powerful items. I feel like they are being cautious

faint onyx
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Can I just PLEASE get a ATK 6th slot for CD set

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And stop dropping 3x Passion

charred citrus
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Can always spam craft it. Gamba main stat

faint onyx
charred citrus
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But agree I feel like I see passion set the most

faint onyx
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I swear the ATK and CD set are rigged to be negative drop rate

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I guess that’s what happens when broken sets are better than 4 set

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For just about every char in the game with few exceptions

charred citrus
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I bet they buff them again

rain rain
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is the cost of 2nd dupe 10 or 20?

faint onyx
faint onyx
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First is 10

rain rain
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ok ty

charred citrus
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The way they are now - they’re much better in sim than chaos

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It’s a step in the right direction

faint onyx
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Yeah

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But 2/2/2 is still superior in most cases for most units

hasty hearth
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Nah

faint onyx
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The restrictions really fuck it over

hasty hearth
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Depends on unit really but

faint onyx
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Mathmatically the passion is worse then 2/2/2 for Mei

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Same for Tressa and Hugo

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Unless you are 2AP spammer

hasty hearth
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Only 4 piece sets I actually like are guess what the generic ones that are only tied to card cost C R A Z Y

faint onyx
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You are using 2/2/2

hasty hearth
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Void set actually isn’t bad either

faint onyx
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The other attribute sets suck dick and balls combined

hasty hearth
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And order is good for Luke

charred citrus
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Majority of them you need to have enough draw/ap to make them pull ahead.

hasty hearth
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Bout it really

faint onyx
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Luke

charred citrus
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Yea or specific cases

faint onyx
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All these passion pieces but Mei is better on 2/2/2

hasty hearth
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If there was another good 2 piece for dps I’d prob run that over 4 piece

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But they probably knew that too and that’s why there’s only 2

rain rain
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chaos drop op now to pray it rolls good too

hasty hearth
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Damage over time

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And hits it every time

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Calling it

rain rain
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that wouldn't be terrible since I have agony build for khalipe

faint onyx
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Juicer Khal

rain rain
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but it'd defo be less worth than other options

charred citrus
faint onyx
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If they let 2 pieces stack

charred citrus
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But there is no option so

faint onyx
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Nobody would use 4 sets

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Too bad they knew

charred citrus
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Ppl will use 4 sets when the math works out

faint onyx
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Just depends how far they willing to buff it

hasty hearth
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Big number make the happy chemicals in my brain

faint onyx
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Based on Vero damage calc, even after set buffs. 2/2/2 still better than Passion

charred citrus
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But when 1x 1cost crit can make that set worse shrug why use it

hasty hearth
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I’m sure they gonna release more sets in future

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Ain’t no way there will just never be crit chance set

faint onyx
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Gotta shill new units

charred citrus
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One can dream

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Hopefully chizuru has a crit chance epi

faint onyx
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And make set specific

hasty hearth
faint onyx
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Chizuru shilling to the moon

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That’s our 4th void DPS

hasty hearth
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Calling chizuru gonna be some “curse/seal stack” mechanic in order to break her bondaged arms basically going super saiyan

rain rain
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wtf

charred citrus
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She has steep competition so

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Hoping she’s disgustingly good

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I don’t want to use selector on mei/renoa/luke e2

hasty hearth
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I’m just holding

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If it’s same as e7

faint onyx
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Every gacha has their favorite children

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Void is one of them

hasty hearth
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Just hold them for future units

faint onyx
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And void has Renoa Kayron and the goat Tressa

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If she’s anything close to what Yuki is which is good but not broken out the gate

hasty hearth
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Lul kayron

faint onyx
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Cooked

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Tressa doesn’t need Jack shit can start slamming

hasty hearth
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Kayron still biggest bait unit I swear he exists to just get stupid clips of “1500%” on a card

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Only to realize ur on like turn 20

charred citrus
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Agree he felt terrible to play in chaos as well

faint onyx
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He’s Epiheny reliant

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But his payoff isn’t as good as other

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Unlike Mei who is dogshit floor 1

hasty hearth
faint onyx
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But does 70k+ once you get nuke Dragon and duped Move card

charred citrus
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Granted I had no Bria but he needs his golden epi upgrade otherwise it’s a rough time everytime

faint onyx
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You need to convert his futile

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Or unplayable

charred citrus
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When your only source is his ego 5 with no ego reroll… gay af

faint onyx
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If a unit is gonna be deadweight on the entire first floor waiting for Ephiney

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The payoff should be huge

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But maybe because we’re spoiled with Mei’lin/Renoa

charred citrus
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He is a e3 p2w unit for chaos imo

faint onyx
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Oh I haven’t read dupes

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I do agree dupes entirely change units

charred citrus
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Leaving Bria out bc none of the op units need their 5* partner

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Having his e3 gives you 2 ways to exhaust discarded futility in gy

faint onyx
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I see

hasty hearth
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Yeah but why do that

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When u can play the futility and go machine gun kayron

charred citrus
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lol which you said does no dmg you troll hahaha

hasty hearth
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Funnily enough tho u can just use his ego skill when u have a bunch in graveyard and it procs the extra attack

hasty hearth
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It does damage

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If u cloned it

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AND have 50 in graveyard

charred citrus
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You see that renoa 1 turn crab 9 with Nia ego?

hasty hearth
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Then he will just be waving his arms around like some orchestra conductor

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Slapping them

charred citrus
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lol

hasty hearth
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Fk do I gotta build Nia now

faint onyx
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Always thought Nia was the best partner for Renoa

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Her deck manipulation is insane

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I have her built already for my second team for basin

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Got her E6 pulling Yuki

hasty hearth
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Might as well ain’t got no one else to invest in

lavish lark
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remember she also has that epiphany where u discard all highest cost cards and does extra attack dmg per

faint onyx
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It’s either her or Cassius

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My favorite deck destroyer units

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Time to farm for 2x Dagger on Heal for Tressa

hasty hearth
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Fk man don’t got enough sr partners to go around

faint onyx
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4 runs and i don’t even get the chance to choose it

dawn thunder
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yo guys, which one is best?

hollow ledge
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just finished stage 6 let's goooo

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tier 10 run was juicy

hasty hearth
hasty hearth
hasty hearth
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@unkempt arrow ap battery + draw renoa kek

hollow ledge
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I'm having an oddly pleasant time with the event chaos today

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I just finished the first boss of phase 7

hasty hearth
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I mean ur lvl 52 should be pretty easy until 9

hollow ledge
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Hm

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what's the point cap at 9?

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I'm running Selena, Mei Lin and Mika

hasty hearth
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For save data? Pretty much just higher odds of 12+ but u can get max from a tier 8

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The final boss becomes rare mob (the goo on mobs) and then it starts getting exponentially harder

hollow ledge
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I had to deal with the goo effect on the blue godfather

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shit was awful

hasty hearth
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Like lvl 8 is mob level 80, 9 is 95, 10 is 110, and 11 is 130

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And no u don’t do those to farm builds 8 is best for most chill and getting good stuff

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Can do 9 ull get higher chances at higher save data value but thats ur call as i said 9 is when final boss gets the goo

hollow ledge
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so stage 8 has up to tier 13

hasty hearth
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Yeah

hollow ledge
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I just need to finish a stage 7 run

hasty hearth
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With no goo as well

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Ull see tier 13 less compared to 9 but u can still get it

hollow ledge
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The poison one is a run ender when you don't run a healer

hasty hearth
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Oh don’t got to worry bout that in final boss

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But he hits like a truck

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I’m talking like

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Stacking morale giga fkin fast

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Lvl 130 like his 3rd turn of attacks can hit for like 3k+

hollow ledge
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The morale stacker isn't he the exterior boss

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the interior is the card absorber

hasty hearth
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Yes but that’s what happens for 9+

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Like 40k hp and gets like 8 morale by turn 4 or some shit for the lvl 130 one

hollow ledge
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Insane

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I try my best to have the cards so that I force him to regen before he increases from 3 morale to 5

hasty hearth
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Ur team should be fine for 8

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9… might be iffy but doable

hollow ledge
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I will settle for 8 I like life

hasty hearth
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Idk how that team is for chaos but I saw Mei Lin and instantly think it’s below average

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Mei Lin chaos big oof

hollow ledge
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I'm having a good experience I just had to swap Maribell for Mika

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I could really use a Passion healer

hasty hearth
hollow ledge
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I need to raise more characters

hasty hearth
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Cuz Mei Lin is so ass in chaos relies way too much on good epiphanies

hollow ledge
hasty hearth
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Her ego skill is actually fkin terrible for chaos as well

hollow ledge
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But I agree the ego skill should have been a 4 or 5 cost

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6 is too much

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If I can't get the Move epiphany I just settle for the create

hasty hearth
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This guy hits it all

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Meanwhile I get a Mei Lin run with legit 0 epiphanies

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Literally 0

hollow ledge
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Jesus

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what fuckin tier was that

hasty hearth
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8

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And yes

hollow ledge
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My stage 6 was a tier 10

hasty hearth
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It was fkin ass

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And painful

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Oh u meant save data

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That was 12

hollow ledge
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Yeah I only care about save data

rain rain
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well that's....a fun card dankpuff

hasty hearth
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Yeah that card is very nice

rain rain
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managed to keep it too, albeit the rest of the savedata sorta meh

hasty hearth
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Wish it was a 1 cost tho

rain rain
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good for khalipe honestly

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this what I ended up with, got supertrolled on all 3 copies

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cuz it gave me meh options on all 3

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still, the fact she has that draw card + only 4 attack cards is kinda nice

lyric osprey
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My favorite punching ball I somehow killed him the following turn

hollow ledge
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Judas deserves that agony

acoustic iron
hasty hearth
unkempt arrow
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We cooking just to cook

acoustic iron
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yeah feels.really intentional to make grinding through chaos the true way to progress

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if only it was order dmg since its already under that restriction, but its just damage in general

hollow ledge
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"oh sweet i got to keep my cards and whatnot, what's the catch- oh."

(all removes undone)

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remind me to build a 2-2-2 for my e2 luke

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attack, cdmg and what other set?

acoustic iron
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the beauty of 2-2-2 is that you have 2 pieces that dont really matter so you just go for best subs

hasty hearth
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Not gonna lie

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Nia feels super shit in chaos

hasty hearth
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But I want this Nia build with forbidden card then she will be even better than Mika as a ap battery

hasty hearth
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I did it the ap battery nia

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Adagio + that forbidden card is criminal

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Also unfortunately the confiscation doesn’t count as drawing so attunement doesn’t proc

acoustic iron
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wait thats 13 cards

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whats at the top 😄

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sick idea

solemn yacht
lavish lark
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wth is attunement

solemn yacht
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activates when drawn

lavish lark
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but its 0 cost..

rain rain
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yes, it activates when the card its on is drawn

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0 cost is irrelevant

solemn yacht
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oh i mean the effect only activates when drawn. the card does nothing but exhaust itself

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so you have a body for discard

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but if you dont have any discard cards its just +1 ap

lavish lark
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so u cant use it? it stays in ur hand like mutant sample ?

solemn yacht
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yeah but you can get rid of it via exhaust

rain rain
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ngl they should have made it inspiration, not attunement

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feel like there's a bit too much hoops to jump thru to make it actually useful as it is

solemn yacht
rain rain
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either that or remove exhaust

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and just let the player discard it normally

solemn yacht
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Ive been trying out this card. pretty fun with the multiparallel ring that auto uses your lead card. has pretty good ephianies (2 moral)

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not really good for like one turn burst comps so idk how useful overall it is, as it does take more than one turn to actually have 'value'

hasty hearth
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But with Nia u can proc it multiple times in a single turn

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So she turns into an ap battery + drawer essentially

lavish lark
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makes sense

hasty hearth
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If u got other ways to discard its also good but u got to wait for shuffle + draw again

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Nia only one who discard and puts it straight to top of the draw pile (besides using precision shot for hunters)

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Like this turning renoa into draw + ap battery kek

lavish lark
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oh with adagio.. I see what u mean

hasty hearth
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U can do it on vero with precision shot and probably wouldn’t be bad

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But yeah definitely best Nia build currently imo

rain rain
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I'm just happy I'm back to being able to keep monster cards now

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not being able to keep those was gimping me filling out the card codex thingie

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at least I think it was? forget if it counts if you accept it + it gets removed at the end

hasty hearth
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Pure empty deck kek

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With orb as well talk about gigachad support

rain rain
lavish lark
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how is that possible

solemn yacht
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lmao

lavish lark
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4 conversions?

solemn yacht
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4 removals + exiting early + optimal serum removal

rain rain
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yea

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or be a gigagiga chad and do it before upping potential in the first place worryKek

rain rain
# lavish lark 4 conversions?

in theory it's possible to get the chaos start fate that converts basic cards to rare neutral ones to proc 3x on one character

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haven't had that happen to me just yet, but it IS possible

lavish lark
solemn yacht
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170 is 4 removals

lavish lark
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I know

solemn yacht
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which one? idk i dont' play him much

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probably for tress

hasty hearth
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I personally like the right one

rain rain
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the choose one is good

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but the right is good too

solemn yacht
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right and savescum for it? prob makes the most sense tbh

rain rain
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depends on whether you can spare the pts for divine / want that ap gen

solemn yacht
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oh wait.

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right messes up the 0/0/0 quest right?

hasty hearth
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It can yes

rain rain
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the choose one means you can do full house 100% of the time for ez draws

hasty hearth
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Since it replaces with another random quest

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But I mean come on

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Full rng

solemn yacht
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is the 'stronger quest' the bestone?

hasty hearth
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Hand full of quest cards

hasty hearth
solemn yacht
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ah kk

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i'll just do left for consistency then

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dang thats a nice dice trick haha

hasty hearth
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The 2 cost card he has turned into upgrade that gives u random quest reward on quest complete is giga good tho

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Especially if u get divine epiph with 1 less cost

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Ur hand just filling up with random quest cards

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Best rewards def the free draw and 2 all stat for 1 turn

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But the latter one is from the quest which requires u to play 0 cost 1 cost and 2 cost aka the most annoying one

mellow bolt
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Is this game ok

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Feels like I’m not getting any epiphany selectors

hasty hearth
drifting flame
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Need more rewards

hasty hearth
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Nice mission accomplished beat king crab with renoa even tho already beat it before with Tressa got to do it with best girl

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None of that DoT bs looking at @lyric osprey

hasty hearth
solemn yacht
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dang i got an insane conversion at the start. (both forced learning apparatus and self generating experiment). but also one of my mei lin strike got converted. now i have to finish this chaos with only one strike on mei lin lol

hasty hearth
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Guess u gotta get the upgrade one that generates 2

solemn yacht
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yeah i just need to survive cause this start will be insnae for multifacted parallel universe nexus

hasty hearth
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Forever 1 strike kek

rain rain
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single strike and ur out

solemn yacht
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what do you guys think, should i keep excatasy of violence on cassius? or dead card?

hasty hearth
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Is that the 9 cost one?

solemn yacht
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yeah

hasty hearth
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Put it on a dps

solemn yacht
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my dps use the draw one

rain rain
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nonono put it on cassius, make sure you super brick the run

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it's already bricked

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now you just gotta build the wall

solemn yacht
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dude the run is insane for cassius

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well he's not going to look like cassius. he's going to be a upgrade bot

drifting flame
hasty hearth
drifting flame
hasty hearth
solemn yacht
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basically going to be this, (150 points). all my cassius ephinaies sucked so I had to nuke his cards away

hasty hearth
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Rip dice trick

solemn yacht
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Oops, it added back heal. I guess I counted wrong

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Oh maybe conversions are like 30 points not 10 points like the calculator told me

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Guess that’s what I get for trusting the calculator lol

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But was a meme build anyways haha

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Dice trick was lost due to an early misplay :(. Wish i didn't mess that up lol

hasty hearth
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Idk who to farm for now

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Maybe some god renoa build

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Should do magna but absolutely hate her now ugh

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Maybe an orlea hmm

solemn yacht
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renoa is kindof bad now that we know how to make perfect decks.
being able to kill bad cards used to be good. but now shes kindof usless since its just like additive damage increase, and moral is easy to get

hasty hearth
solemn yacht
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oh i got renoa confused with rei

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mb lol

hasty hearth
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Rei is still good cuz she adds lot of damage with her base stuff just slap the good neutral stuff and ull be slapping even more

hasty hearth
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@lyric osprey I blame u was farming for renoa but then game decides “hey I heard u wanted a Mika build for Tressa”

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U know what imma go for some degenerate magna build with 4 iron walls

granite hull
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I thought her dmg was capped and all

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Like max 8-10k with 10 bullets deck

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Maybe lower

hasty hearth
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Well now… this is definitely something truly degenerate

hasty hearth
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And stack as many bullets in ur deck

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Well technically I saw a dude get his extra attack on dirge to like 800% or something stupid

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He was critting 11k per bullet lol

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@granite hull also if u run with Nia just fill ur entire deck with bullets and use her ego skill on first shuffle

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Discarding ur entire deck works for renoa so if u have like 50 bullets in ur deck she will just extra attack 50 times with Nia ego skill

worthy raft
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Time to level and deck up Nia xD

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But damn I am in total resource hell desert AcheronFallen

lyric osprey
lyric osprey
lyric osprey
hasty hearth
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Figured out the renoa thing @granite hull

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Basically u need 2 different flowers one that discards all other combatant cards

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And one that discards up to 2 cards and amps damage based on cost

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U discard kayron 9 cost card which by the looks of it gives renoa 360% damage

hollow ledge
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just uncapped luke to lvl 60

hasty hearth
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Then u just use other flower and voila she be hitting like a truck

hollow ledge
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he only has a memory with crit chance main stat

hasty hearth
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Is urs e2?

hollow ledge
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Yes he is exactly e2

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I'll see if I can get crit chance substats on the other fragments

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Does he need a minimum of 50%?

hasty hearth
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For his 1 card yeah

hasty hearth
hollow ledge
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it needs >= 40%

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then it stacks indefinitely for every 5%

hasty hearth
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What really no cap?

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Prob 50% then yeah

granite hull
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The only problem is when 2 or 3 of discard all comes in same turn

hasty hearth
granite hull
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Yeah discard all is pretty consistent tho and need very minimal setup

hasty hearth
granite hull
hollow ledge
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wtf nihilum

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Agony 6 would've been so good on Tressa

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But this is Selena

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The sensible choice here is mark 2

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tasty as fuck

hollow ledge
#

You're right stage 8 is fun

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@hasty hearth the one time i needed the rifle on mei lin

unkempt arrow
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I wish I got a dupe often the confiscation

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Even with just one man

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She’s insane

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And since I have the upgrade variant of the mute

worthy raft
#

Confiscation draws any random forbidden card in deck right ? I mean Doesnt have to be forbidden card from “starter” deck of that unit but have to be in whole deck (so other chars can have it in their deck ) right ?

unkempt arrow
#

We can work with 10 cards

unkempt arrow
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In the case the card of choice is the hunger in nias deck

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To guarantee what I want to do tho I can’t use the forbidden attack card in anyone else’s deck

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So it’s a slight trade off

worthy raft
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Just asking since I got 2 confis in Veronica deck (no forbidden card in that run) and one with same divine as you so when other chars gets forbidden I want to use I can pair it that way if needed

unkempt arrow
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Then look for you a good forbidden to pair

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The deck can be good

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Also disclaimer the forbidden card will go to a unit at random to start

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Whenever u finish the zone ur in u can choose who u put it on

worthy raft
#

I managed to get only 1 forbidden card until now for all the runs I did..so like 1 in 10+ for me for now

hasty hearth
#

Dude I just want machine gun kayron build but it refuses to come wtf

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Why must it be so difficult to get a meme build going pepeHand

unkempt arrow
worthy raft
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Also, since the wording can be “kinda” wonky does confiscate work that it draws a card + draws forbidden card from deck ? So basically tutor +draw for free ?

unkempt arrow
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It’s slightly weaker than that

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Cuz it doesn’t work like a move card

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It’s a draw

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I have to see if u can reset a deck with it

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@hasty hearth provide an op Cassius build pls

worthy raft
#

Oh yeah.. if its like attack and for example forbidden card already used last turn in gy that part of confiscate will prob “miss”

short tulip
#

Anybody have a Cassius deck to share? Hmm

lyric osprey
#

Turn him into a sub dps too

short tulip
meager junco
#

depends, sometimes the discard whole hand = draw 5 is better

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cuz that is in all cases a +5 draw if u discard what u dont need

short tulip
#

just got it on divine 0 cost

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Prayge blessed by kyu

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oh that works even if u have only 1 card on ur deck wtf thats broken

meager junco
#

yea

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the only drawdown is sometimes ur in a bind, use it and throw away some OK cards in order to gamble for better ones or nah

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but most of the time its a very exceptional play

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especially if u can get it to be free to play with godly epi

lyric osprey
#

@hasty hearth after Judas one turn.. He is truly the Mei enjoyer

short tulip
#

lets see how this deck ends up

lyric osprey
short tulip
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@lyric osprey @meager junco kept the 2 gear bags too

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The 2 cost basic come back tho dejj

charred citrus
#

I prefer the discard 1 (hand) draw 5. The amount of cycle and crazy turns it can setup with gbags/nyx/reorgs/multiple sources for ap is nutty

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3 weeks feels too long. Bleh. I gotta find a unit work on

short tulip
lyric osprey
lyric osprey
charred citrus
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It’s pretty solid. He got good div epis

short tulip
charred citrus
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Choose full house is kinda lit for more cycle

lyric osprey
#

Yeah I still like having the option to pick my quest

charred citrus
lyric osprey
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Yep

worthy raft
#

how the fuck conversion points work? if I convert basic card thats 10 points, yeah sure.. but does that mean another +20 points for the neutral itself so basically convert is 30points all in all?

lyric osprey
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It's 10 but if you get an epi on it that another 10 I think

worthy raft
#

that still doesnt add up

lyric osprey
#

If you did get a divine on it, it's 30

worthy raft
#

although bad mute accent epi, otherwise not bad for renoa....but how the fuck is amp therapy back on t13NM ?

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3removes=100, 1convert is 10+20divine epi, dupes is +10 so what actually happened or where I miscounted?

granite hull
#

You remove 3 basic card and each one of them crawls back into the final deck anyways

worthy raft
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also given the state of deck should be 90 points not 120 ....so like... WTF?

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something fucked my points to + value more than it should so the 3rd remove could not proceed and reverted back due to points overcap

charred citrus
#

I’m confused you ran a t13 or t14

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And you had 3 removals right

worthy raft
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t13Nightmare so basically T14

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1convert on start of run to strategic point and than 3 removes

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and 1 remove reverted back at the end of the run to that basic "heal" card

charred citrus
#

Yea missing something if you had 160 cap

worthy raft
#

even the finalized deck points dont make sense

charred citrus
#

I think it does so 100 removals 10 for 2nd copy

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Then you got covert 10 then you landed div epi on the neutral

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That must’ve sky rocketed its cost

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Bc technically div epi on neutral costs 40 right

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That puts you right at 160 hmm

worthy raft
#

even in bad coding scenario that I counted on and that would be that if basic convert to point with divine would be counted as convert 10 + neutral card 20 + divine epi 20 I would be still at 50 +100 for 3 basic removals and 10 for copy

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exactly 160

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and I am at 120 that dont add up no matter how you count

charred citrus
#

I see what happened

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You got super lucky(unlucky) landing double epi on that neutral

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That pushes you over. I was wondering why that starting point looked so juiced

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Anyways that’s the only thing I can come up with. If you’re positive it was t14 that seems likely

worthy raft
#

so 50 points for double divine epi? oh fuck....

charred citrus
#

Technically it’s regular epi + div epi

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But yea…

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Oof

lavish lark
worthy raft
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10 conversion, 20neutral card , 10 epi, 20divine epi

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thats only way how it could have shot to 120 points on finalization

lavish lark
#

why are u adding 10 of epi.. that is not a thing

charred citrus
#

That’s what I’m thinking yea. Otherwise I dunno how you passed 160

rain rain
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it is for neutral cards

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it's not for basic/unique

charred citrus
#

Go look @lavish lark We’re trying to figure out how he passed cap

lavish lark
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he didnt.. maybe it was just a tier13 with nm

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and he missremembered

charred citrus
#

I mean i said that but he’s sure it was 14 lol

worthy raft
#

I always reroll for t13

rain rain
#

it'd defo a NM run due to the tb text being purple

charred citrus
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Curious bc if the card epi’d twice

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I can see it counting the extra 10 but I’ve never encountered that

rain rain
#

my hunch is check 2nd dupe cost

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in the help tips

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ik first is free, but if the 2nd is 20 cost that might explain it

lavish lark
#

no second dupe is 10

charred citrus
#

Yea all the lit says 10

worthy raft
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must be the double epi

rain rain
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so wait

worthy raft
#

counts as divine+normal epi separately

rain rain
#

it re-added amp therapy or?

worthy raft
rain rain
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then you had 4 removals, not three

lavish lark
#

1 conversion @rain rain

rain rain
#

unless that's the convert from basic

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ok

worthy raft
#

point is converted

rain rain
#

so 1 convert, 2 removals of basic + 1 of normal card?

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cuz removing basics does cost more than standard removal

worthy raft
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1 convert, 3 removes

rain rain
#

yes, I'm asking which cards were removed

worthy raft
#

1remove got reverted back

lavish lark
#

not just basic

rain rain
#

where does it say that

lavish lark
#

@worthy raft did the G Chord have an epiphany when u removed it?

rain rain
#

afaik first remove is free if it isn't a basic or epiphany card

charred citrus
#

In the pins

lavish lark
#

it doesn't.. I tried it.. Deluge, Whirlpool, epiphanied blue card.. they all count as 20 points @rain rain

rain rain
#

weird

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unless that's what they mean by "epiphany"

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which is kinda stupid

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because the terminology is used twice for different meanings

charred citrus
#

Base 8 yea even regular epi cost 20 base

worthy raft
#

and yeah the all count as basic

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even lets say adagio remove cost remove+20 for basic card

lavish lark
#

tbf, it doesn't say basic cards.. it says starting and epiphany cards

rain rain
#

no they count partially as epi and partially as basic but the effect is the same

lavish lark
#

which are the character cards xdd

rain rain
#

right but epiphany could also occur on neutral cards

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so therein lies the confusion

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because it's called the same thing, that help point is not very clear

worthy raft
#

if you count my deck that I posted, which is 2removes, 2dupes, 1convert to neutral with divine it doesnt add up

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unless it counts the double epi on the neutral card as divine for 20 and normal epi for 10 separately

charred citrus
#

3 removes

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Let’s make sure you’re precise here lol

worthy raft
#

3removes before finishing the run

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1got removed after run finish

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and my deck is at 120 points that shouldnt be on 120 points

lavish lark
#

what u mean removed after the run

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then that's what's missing

charred citrus
#

Oh shii he had mutant

lavish lark
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when u go over the limit.. the count doesnt make sense anymore

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because it changes cards

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@worthy raft what was removed after the run? do u remember?

worthy raft
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nothing

rain rain
lavish lark
worthy raft
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it added card back

rain rain
#

it makes sense if it was 3 removes + one added back

worthy raft
#

remove amp from what I posted and that was my run finish deck

rain rain
#

thing is, if you hit 8 cards held on a character at once during the run, it tries to keep that amount in the final deck afaik

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so that could be why the add back

charred citrus
#

Ugh you keep saying remove when you mean readded right

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You didn’t have mutant removal then

worthy raft
lavish lark
#

it definitely feels like it's a 160 points deck

worthy raft
lavish lark
#

probably just got scammed by coding worryKek

charred citrus
#

Did your neutral epi then div epi?

worthy raft
lavish lark
charred citrus
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Bc that’s way stronger than normal based on what I’ve seen. 2ego 2draw -1 cost

worthy raft
#

yeah its basically epi+divine epi in one card

charred citrus
#

I mean just cuz we haven’t seen it happen doesn’t mean it can’t?

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I bet it’s the bug epi div epi thing on Reddit

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Adding extra 10

lavish lark
#

but aren't most divine epiph like that anyways?

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u get the normal epi effect on top of the divine one

worthy raft
#

thats exactly what we concluded kinda too

charred citrus
#

Not always. Sometimes it’s just the icon bonus

worthy raft
#

because than that means 10extra points and I am over the cap by 10 points so it re-added last removal back and would also make sense for that 120points for that deck

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so I got fucked over by this insane double epi on neutral aaaaaaargh.. xD

rain rain
#

so you removed 2 or 3 cards

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cuz if you removed 3 I can see why you went over

lavish lark
#

can you?

worthy raft
#

I surely didnt

charred citrus
#

That’s just a guess but best guess so far

lavish lark
#

to be sure about that we would need a deck that wasn't scammed

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cause when u get scammed.. points just scramble

rain rain
#

10 from conversion, 20 from neutral, 10 from basic epi on neutral, 20 from divine epi on neutral, 100 from removals, 10 from duplication = 170 yeah

charred citrus
#

Example from Reddit

rain rain
#

the thing is regular char card standard, non-divine epi is free

charred citrus
#

Same situation

rain rain
#

its neutral where it actually costs something

lavish lark
#

so are you saying every divine neutral is 50 points?

rain rain
#

no, 30

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yes

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in effect yes

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cuz of base card cost

worthy raft
#

can double epi happen on char cards also?

rain rain
#

no, because regular epi is free there

charred citrus
#

Correct yep

worthy raft
#

now we know for sure

charred citrus
#

Feels good to solve it at least

worthy raft
#

so that neutral converted double epi card cost is 60 and thats what fucked my run to 170 points and why it reverted the 1 remove

rain rain
#

what I find weird is that it didn't just chuck off the divine epi instead

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because that would land the pt total closer to cap

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unless that last removal happened after the divine epi did in run

worthy raft
#

or normal epi -10 and that would be exact 160

rain rain
#

then I could see why it reverted that 50 cost removal

charred citrus
#

Coded behavior

lavish lark
#

doesn't seem to count the extra 10 on character card divine

charred citrus
#

Seems like it always checks removals first

lavish lark
#

dark condensation is normal epiph + divine

worthy raft
charred citrus
#

Since that’s -50 then it stopped

rain rain
#

if it goes by order of stuff happening for priority that would make sense

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so it exceeded point cap with the final removal and just reverted that

charred citrus
lavish lark
#

this pretty much confirms it's 50 for neutral divine

charred citrus
#

Ya the Mei ss is same

worthy raft
#

thats really good to know for knowing what to look out for

lavish lark
#

so divine epiph on a neutral is basically always +30 .. cause u always get extra options no?

worthy raft
#

from what I looked through my SD right now , yeah divine on neutral is always double row effect and +30

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thats a real hard miss, damn it xD

charred citrus
#

Eh we’ve only been hawking the data since seasonal started

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That post was on Reddit 5 days ago tho so…

#

Here’s the post anyone catching up

hasty hearth
meager junco
#

?????????????????????????????????????

#

i just did this mission

short tulip
meager junco
#

where the fuck are my credits

#

it even drained my credits

#

i had 60k left

#

the fuck is going on

hasty hearth
# neat belfry what build is that

Basically turn black hole into the upgrade card that does extra attack when u exhaust futility and get 3 copies of it. So every time u exhaust futility he’s just flailing his arms around

lyric osprey
#

Also sad there no more

lyric osprey
meager junco
#

man im SOOO pissed that this shit is bugged

#

i think it didnt even give me exp either

lyric osprey
charred citrus
#

Oof

lyric osprey
#

I did get the exp

#

Also dunno if someone already posted

#

She's fixing my Kayron issues surely

charred citrus
#

Bleh cdam 4pc stonks dipping

lyric osprey
charred citrus
#

Omega heals on that kit damn

lyric osprey
charred citrus
#

Skill card usage -1 is lit

lyric osprey
#

Man SURELY it's real all of it

charred citrus
#

Haha 🤣

#

I mean it bet what we get is close

hollow ledge
#

I finished the game, where's my New Game+

charred citrus
#

We missing some epis but solid af so far

lyric osprey
#

Need to know the heck is fairly stuff

#

Yeah

hollow ledge
#

not bad for a first time deck

lyric osprey
hollow ledge
#

Luke's pretty fun just need to experiment some more

charred citrus
#

Her buff card

hollow ledge
#

sweet relief when you get wanderer of the void on turn 1 against this boss

charred citrus
hollow ledge
#

I barely found a lvl 50 coordinate

meager junco
charred citrus
#

She looks solid in general. Just no ap from what we’ve seen

#

But low cost decks won’t need that much

lyric osprey
#

Yeah but I love this

#

It has retain too

hollow ledge
#

People are saying "don't send this child to fight cosmic horrors" but Beryl's already doing it

meager junco
#

this is made for big nuke high cost attacks

hollow ledge
charred citrus
#

Yea that epi looks sick

hollow ledge
#

the one that costs 4 AP

meager junco
#

3 it says

#

but it doesnt matter, after this, u pay zero xD

charred citrus
#

That card having outbreak is just sick

#

Dunno how she gets that but yuki can’t have any good buff with it ><

hasty hearth
hasty hearth
charred citrus
#

Maybe part 3 seasonal girl will be crazier ><

lavish lark
#

how long is the Yuki banner btw? didn't check

hasty hearth
#

So wait is forbidden cards tied to the chaos dungeon itself aka available even after it ends or only until next chaos opens and gone forever

hasty hearth
lavish lark
#

so chizuru only 2 weeks away?

hasty hearth
#

Yes

charred citrus
#

Dec 3rd

lyric osprey
charred citrus
hasty hearth
charred citrus
#

So ppl can always grab those cards if they want them

hasty hearth
#

Wait so it’s universal rare event after event over??

lyric osprey
#

The heal on draw feel nice

#

I don't even need Mika now

#

Between that and the futility accessory

hasty hearth
charred citrus
#

Filthy

hasty hearth
#

It’s actually pretty bad outside of Tressa

charred citrus
#

Can def do Mika less runs just takes good rng

lyric osprey
#

I'm Cassius Mika Tressa enjoyer

#

But the new SR surely enable my Kayron

charred citrus
#

This guy posted a mei rei vero run

lyric osprey
#

Will be able to do my big turn

charred citrus
#

I dunno how fun it will be in chaos tho

hasty hearth
charred citrus
#

Bricked oath of vanity hurts

lyric osprey
hasty hearth
charred citrus
#

lol I mean rei only is kinda nice

charred citrus
#

I wouldn’t run that shiii

lyric osprey
#

Still loving this

#

It isn't perfect but works

charred citrus
#

Solid epis

hasty hearth
#

I use my rei as morale bot now

#

5 perma morale with blade pushing to 9 for a turn

#

Should aim for the other upgrade card as well for another 2

lyric osprey
#

Yeah

hasty hearth
#

But idk since all content beat and we most likely can’t use the current chaos saves for next one

#

Might just chill

charred citrus
#

I bet seasonal saves will be fine

#

Doesn’t make sense to differentiate them

#

Like lab 2 saves only

#

Gay

hasty hearth
#

Well it does cuz they want us to farm the new stuff

#

Otherwise just blast with what we have and can ignore it entirely?

#

Obviously if we can make cool builds of other mechanics some people will but bet more people prob won’t than would

charred citrus
#

Dunno as it is I don’t wanna play the old units past what I’ve done

#

I thought the attraction would be new forbiddens and rewards but maybe they’ll go seasonal specific

#

If they do that I’m not playing anything but chizuru lol

#

Anyways

lyric osprey
#

It's kinda depressing that the only place we can use our builds are in the mode that reset

#

It's not even hard to begin with

#

I'm asleep

charred citrus
#

That’s why the appeal for uber perfect isn’t there for me

hasty hearth
#

Yeah hopefully they release more content where we can use any save

#

They have to make old planets relevant imo can’t just keep doing whatever is newest planet is only thing relevant

charred citrus
#

Agree how to make zero relevant with seasonal

#

Bc zero if you’re maxed is just credit drain sooner or later

hasty hearth
#

We just need more content like Judas 10 and basin

lyric osprey
#

Yeah also not being able to get futility stuff in current lab is triggering me

charred citrus
#

Sides the only good lvl 30 thing from zero is that cube

hasty hearth
#

Oh wait

charred citrus
#

Rest is kinda whatever

hasty hearth
#

Does that mean that leaked thing coming later in season

#

The 2 team chaos thing

lyric osprey
#

In about two week I think

charred citrus
#

Maybe part 2 yea

hasty hearth
#

I wonder if that’s the new chaos or just a new mode

charred citrus
#

That would def keep me interested

#

More combos. More unit usage

hasty hearth
#

Well depends how it works

charred citrus
#

Basin but chaos would be cool

hasty hearth
#

Personally hope it’s new mode if it’s new chaos like

#

Does that mean 4 floors 2 for each???

charred citrus
#

Like two fights for ever my normal and elite battle

unkempt arrow
#

Time to make a Cassius build

hasty hearth
#

Sounds bit too long and way more rng compared to right now

charred citrus
#

Use each team once. Kinda cool

lyric osprey
#

I assume it's this

hasty hearth
lyric osprey
#

Isn't that the thing that need two teams

hasty hearth
#

The infinite hp punching bag boss

lyric osprey
hasty hearth
#

Yeah it does require 2 teams

lyric osprey
#

I'll cripple it with Tressa

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And Mei

charred citrus
hasty hearth
#

Fk Mei Lin

charred citrus
#

He’ll zone out now

hasty hearth
#

Shit now that u mention it

#

Imma actually need to farm the 600k damage renoa

lyric osprey
#

It's not good but good enough with my Vero

#

I don't bother with her tbh

#

I hate her

#

99% build are unplayable

charred citrus
#

Why she op

#

Solid animations

hasty hearth
#

Ugh but the renoa one is giga rng

charred citrus
#

Just busted

#

I don’t play her bc I don’t have her on main lol

#

Played enough of it on alt

#

I told ya Nia ego was sick like weeks ago

#

Shit is disgusting

lyric osprey
hasty hearth
#

Farming for a deck with 2 different flowers is gonna suck

lyric osprey
#

Ngl I dig it

hasty hearth
charred citrus
#

Nah that was end

lyric osprey
#

Oh true

charred citrus
#

He wanted procedurally generated infinite chaos lol

lyric osprey
#

I'd love it

hasty hearth
#

I’d hate it

lyric osprey
#

Also just give me ability to reroll epi

hasty hearth
#

What’s the point

#

We already kind of do with just increasing the planet level

#

Like lvl 11 seasonal is 130 which is big pain

lyric osprey
#

Yeah I did it once wasn't fun

hasty hearth
#

Then u just go to what 150 which will just be even more pain?

#

Nty

charred citrus
#

I cleared it twice just to make sure I wasn’t tripping

#

I think they nerf epi chance and gear

#

Bc both runs were starved af

hasty hearth
#

Right now?

lyric osprey
#

I mean every since they did the update NGL maybe I'm coping I did few run where I wasn't full epi

#

Heck I did a run where I got to last boss end I didn't have joker on Cassius

#

Idk

#

Very sus

charred citrus
#

I finished run where vero wasn’t full epi and Mika got deluge on last boss

hasty hearth
charred citrus
#

I was also missing weapon on vero like 75% of the run aids

lyric osprey
#

I just want a decent Cassius seasonal build

#

Why is it so hard

charred citrus
#

Relies on div epi luck

hasty hearth
lyric osprey
#

Yes

lyric osprey
charred citrus
#

Cursed run lol

hasty hearth
#

Honestly they need to rework counters in this game

#

Does way too little and doesn’t do anything if enemy doesn’t hit u

lyric osprey
#

Yes

#

Dodge or eva is even worse get proc by gengren or whatever

#

Like why

hasty hearth
#

Evade honestly is better than counter

charred citrus
#

Yea makes camo useless

#

I prefer gangrene on every reroll…

lyric osprey
#

Same

unkempt arrow
#

@lyric osprey is ur Cassius at 700hp before chaos?

#

Can show gears

lyric osprey
#

My Cassius might as well be naked he's 40 too

#

He has like 400 hp

unkempt arrow
#

Interesting

#

Cuz I wanted to build him with 700 hp somehow

#

But offensive stats line somewhat

charred citrus
#

For pushing diff11?

unkempt arrow
#

Rn I’m at 550 hp 42% CC 176cdmg

unkempt arrow
#

About to run him in seasonal

#

Never played him so I’ll just learn as I go

charred citrus
#

Well you gotta sacrifice somewhere. Hp substat can land 40+

#

He has a lot of dead cards early, focus removals and pray for good epis

lyric osprey
#

Yeah

mellow bolt
hasty hearth
#

Do i really want to farm for gimmick renoa build just for galactic rift

hasty hearth
#

New SR controller

mellow bolt
#

Damn these SRs supports are op

unkempt arrow
#

Which one?

unkempt arrow
#

Haru going crazy

#

I didn’t get the right anchor so this is fodder unfortunately

unkempt arrow
hasty hearth
#

He crazyyy

#

Mines at a comfortable 394 hp Dab

unkempt arrow
#

Mine is currently at 550

#

I wanted the fortitude buff too

#

Ima save his crit build for Tressa

#

Make a quality only build with 700hp for anyone else I use him with

hasty hearth
unkempt arrow
#

I already have that ready to go my guy

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Used it when I first started using Magna Orlea Beryl

hasty hearth
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I have to update it tho cuz it’s on 3star gear

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