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mostly for exterior the base fate cards I try to focus run buffs, then interior damage buffs if at all possible
like for exterior picking the increased rare node chance is nice, though obviously in event it's a bit murkier due to the new cards there
just note that continual buffs for the run duration >>> immediate one off buffs forthe most part, because exterior buffs continue to apply during interior of the same run
I’m not 30 in all of them either
I just grab the important stuff
Yeah my favorite is the 1 AP for boss and elite . Or the decrease 1 cost to random card
so like if you're running vero or tressa, picking the 25% chance to create a duplicate card upon card creation is a good pick for exterior
That’s nice too
1 ap for boss/elite is much less useful than envy imo
I mean I never see envy with that 1ap together
cuz there's plenty of options via items and characters (mika especially) to increase ap in a turn
Whatever is based on AP/Cost I instant pick
I mean sure you can do that, but I'd rather have the extra dmg output from envy than +1 ap / turn for boss/elites only
I mean it’s just pick whatever best u get with team u have
yea
but generally I find envy to be the best general purpose one for non-event interior
that's just my experience tho, it could be different for others
What’s envy again
Like normally +400 gold but no gold from battles isn’t good but if u have affix with reduced credits by like 60% then it becomes a solid choice
envy is the one where you gain morale based off ap used in a turn
every ap used = 1 morale
oh that
basically negates any morale debuffs + massively increases your output
because with like tressa/hugo and her 0 cost daggers you can sit at 3 ap used for the turn and continually get +60% boost on both the daggers used AND hugos extra attack output
and it probably becomes a bigger boost with hugo's hunt stack buff multiplier too
I mean it’a definitely a mix of preference, affixes, and what team ur running
plenty of options yep, just stating my preference
25% to create card when creating is normally trash but if ur playing Tressa or renoa as examples then it’s good
yeah, can be useful for vero too
Credit one is also not good but if ur running affix it becomes good
yup, so basically situational + team + affix dependant
Convert basic card to neutral card is good but if running Mei Lin it’s trash
personally I try to avoid that coversion one cuz it can fk with attempting to farm save data for a character
it's fun to play around with tho if you get a good conversion
Should be opposite because it’s only conversion cost without the remove cost no?
it's coversion + neutral card cost tho
It’s op even if the cards u get aren’t the “BiS”
That’s still cheaper than removing the 3 together
it's good yes, but I've gotten bad crap like double fruit on a dps
which basically was like "lol this run is dead from word go"
cuz it's rng which 3 it picks, and it's not limited to 1/char
not saying it's bad but it's definitely rng what you get
I mean yeah that sucks but overall it’s pretty op with obvious exceptions to characters that need their basic like Mei Lin
yup
It saves u huge gold amount
Saves u save data
And on average u get things better than basic card
yea
it can defo be good, i just play a lot with chars where their basics are decently important/useful
like losing khalipe upward slash basically gimps a run
not outright bricks fortunately, but it's definitely a gimp if you lose that initial aoe 2 cost to proc vulture
where is my passion dps guys
No Mei Lin?
Heck could put it on vero too
Or better yet
Ur boy Lucas!!
It’s okay just pray the leaks aren’t true for chizuru and she’s passion not void
Selena goated as well
this equip is so OP for t1 if you have more initiation cards
that doesn't look too random
Yea sphere is strong
lot of the free shielding is in the hp slot as well. Rly easy to not realize how good they are
Especially when stacked
Thatd be a nice surprise actually
but i highly doubt it
ill just save this for veronica when all of her stuff is prefarmed
I wouldn’t mind some more powerful items. I feel like they are being cautious
Can always spam craft it. Gamba main stat
Might have to gamba with it
But agree I feel like I see passion set the most
I swear the ATK and CD set are rigged to be negative drop rate
I guess that’s what happens when broken sets are better than 4 set
For just about every char in the game with few exceptions
I bet they buff them again
is the cost of 2nd dupe 10 or 20?
They better
ok ty
The way they are now - they’re much better in sim than chaos
It’s a step in the right direction
First buffs made them useable for outside of chaos
Yeah
But 2/2/2 is still superior in most cases for most units
Nah
The restrictions really fuck it over
Depends on unit really but
Mathmatically the passion is worse then 2/2/2 for Mei
Same for Tressa and Hugo
Unless you are 2AP spammer
Only 4 piece sets I actually like are guess what the generic ones that are only tied to card cost C R A Z Y
You are using 2/2/2
Void set actually isn’t bad either
Yeah those are the only 2 kekw
The other attribute sets suck dick and balls combined
And order is good for Luke
Majority of them you need to have enough draw/ap to make them pull ahead.
Bout it really
Yea or specific cases
If there was another good 2 piece for dps I’d prob run that over 4 piece
But they probably knew that too and that’s why there’s only 2

chaos drop op now to pray it rolls good too
that wouldn't be terrible since I have agony build for khalipe
Juicer Khal
but it'd defo be less worth than other options
Definitely on purpose. One 2x set for utility is fine tho. Unless you’re a Tressa team. Then you get 3 :x
Fk that
Maximize dps
If they let 2 pieces stack
But there is no option so
Ppl will use 4 sets when the math works out
Just depends how far they willing to buff it
Big number make the happy chemicals in my brain
Based on Vero damage calc, even after set buffs. 2/2/2 still better than Passion
But when 1x 1cost crit can make that set worse shrug why use it
I’m sure they gonna release more sets in future
Ain’t no way there will just never be crit chance set
Gotta shill new units
And make set specific
They already easily do that by making the new chaos their custom build chaos 
Calling chizuru gonna be some “curse/seal stack” mechanic in order to break her bondaged arms basically going super saiyan
wtf
She has steep competition so
Hoping she’s disgustingly good
I don’t want to use selector on mei/renoa/luke e2
Just hold them for future units
And void has Renoa Kayron and the goat Tressa
If she’s anything close to what Yuki is which is good but not broken out the gate
Lul kayron
Kayron still biggest bait unit I swear he exists to just get stupid clips of “1500%” on a card
Only to realize ur on like turn 20
Agree he felt terrible to play in chaos as well
He’s Epiheny reliant
But his payoff isn’t as good as other
Unlike Mei who is dogshit floor 1
True I don’t like him in chaos either
Granted I had no Bria but he needs his golden epi upgrade otherwise it’s a rough time everytime
When your only source is his ego 5 with no ego reroll… gay af
If a unit is gonna be deadweight on the entire first floor waiting for Ephiney
The payoff should be huge
But maybe because we’re spoiled with Mei’lin/Renoa

He is a e3 p2w unit for chaos imo
Leaving Bria out bc none of the op units need their 5* partner
Having his e3 gives you 2 ways to exhaust discarded futility in gy
I see
lol which you said does no dmg you troll hahaha
Funnily enough tho u can just use his ego skill when u have a bunch in graveyard and it procs the extra attack
Hey
It does damage
If u cloned it
AND have 50 in graveyard
That’s a bonus at least
You see that renoa 1 turn crab 9 with Nia ego?
Then he will just be waving his arms around like some orchestra conductor
Slapping them
lol
No
Fk do I gotta build Nia now
Yeah her ult proc all bullets
Always thought Nia was the best partner for Renoa
Her deck manipulation is insane
I have her built already for my second team for basin
Got her E6 pulling Yuki
Might as well ain’t got no one else to invest in
remember she also has that epiphany where u discard all highest cost cards and does extra attack dmg per
It’s either her or Cassius
My favorite deck destroyer units

Time to farm for 2x Dagger on Heal for Tressa
Fk man don’t got enough sr partners to go around
4 runs and i don’t even get the chance to choose it
yo guys, which one is best?
I like 1st one personally
Grats
@unkempt arrow ap battery + draw renoa 
I'm having an oddly pleasant time with the event chaos today
I just finished the first boss of phase 7
I mean ur lvl 52 should be pretty easy until 9
For save data? Pretty much just higher odds of 12+ but u can get max from a tier 8
The final boss becomes rare mob (the goo on mobs) and then it starts getting exponentially harder
Like lvl 8 is mob level 80, 9 is 95, 10 is 110, and 11 is 130
And no u don’t do those to farm builds 8 is best for most chill and getting good stuff
Can do 9 ull get higher chances at higher save data value but thats ur call as i said 9 is when final boss gets the goo
so stage 8 has up to tier 13
Yeah
I just need to finish a stage 7 run
The poison one is a run ender when you don't run a healer
Oh don’t got to worry bout that in final boss
But he hits like a truck
I’m talking like
Stacking morale giga fkin fast
Lvl 130 like his 3rd turn of attacks can hit for like 3k+
Yes but that’s what happens for 9+
Like 40k hp and gets like 8 morale by turn 4 or some shit for the lvl 130 one
Insane
I try my best to have the cards so that I force him to regen before he increases from 3 morale to 5
I will settle for 8 I like life
Idk how that team is for chaos but I saw Mei Lin and instantly think it’s below average
Mei Lin chaos big oof
I'm having a good experience I just had to swap Maribell for Mika
I could really use a Passion healer
Is that cuz u haven’t played other comps?
I need to raise more characters
Cuz Mei Lin is so ass in chaos relies way too much on good epiphanies
I am lucky with my epiphanies
Her ego skill is actually fkin terrible for chaos as well
But I agree the ego skill should have been a 4 or 5 cost
6 is too much
If I can't get the Move epiphany I just settle for the create
Ah yes so “just hit it 4head” 
This guy hits it all
Meanwhile I get a Mei Lin run with legit 0 epiphanies
Literally 0
My stage 6 was a tier 10
Yeah I only care about save data
well that's....a fun card 
Yeah that card is very nice
managed to keep it too, albeit the rest of the savedata sorta meh
good for khalipe honestly
this what I ended up with, got supertrolled on all 3 copies
cuz it gave me meh options on all 3
still, the fact she has that draw card + only 4 attack cards is kinda nice
Judas deserves that agony
Sadly even order because its multi and not additive, his low base bullets arent benefiting much from it. Its still better to go 2pc 2pc
Man they really just hired a 12 year old to make these sets or something

We cooking just to cook
yeah feels.really intentional to make grinding through chaos the true way to progress
if only it was order dmg since its already under that restriction, but its just damage in general
"oh sweet i got to keep my cards and whatnot, what's the catch- oh."
(all removes undone)
remind me to build a 2-2-2 for my e2 luke
attack, cdmg and what other set?
the beauty of 2-2-2 is that you have 2 pieces that dont really matter so you just go for best subs
Prob just hp
But I want this Nia build with forbidden card then she will be even better than Mika as a ap battery
I did it the ap battery nia
Adagio + that forbidden card is criminal
Also unfortunately the confiscation doesn’t count as drawing so attunement doesn’t proc
weird haha. the last couple of runs i did i maxed out ephianies, aside from a card ephiany that dodged me. I think im going to pick up time regulator mroe often if i see it
wth is attunement
activates when drawn
oh i mean the effect only activates when drawn. the card does nothing but exhaust itself
so you have a body for discard
but if you dont have any discard cards its just +1 ap
so u cant use it? it stays in ur hand like mutant sample ?
yeah but you can get rid of it via exhaust
ngl they should have made it inspiration, not attunement
feel like there's a bit too much hoops to jump thru to make it actually useful as it is
Ive been trying out this card. pretty fun with the multiparallel ring that auto uses your lead card. has pretty good ephianies (2 moral)
not really good for like one turn burst comps so idk how useful overall it is, as it does take more than one turn to actually have 'value'
Yup basically it sucks on its own (1 proc)
But with Nia u can proc it multiple times in a single turn
So she turns into an ap battery + drawer essentially
makes sense
If u got other ways to discard its also good but u got to wait for shuffle + draw again
Nia only one who discard and puts it straight to top of the draw pile (besides using precision shot for hunters)
Like this turning renoa into draw + ap battery 
oh with adagio.. I see what u mean
U can do it on vero with precision shot and probably wouldn’t be bad
But yeah definitely best Nia build currently imo
I'm just happy I'm back to being able to keep monster cards now
not being able to keep those was gimping me filling out the card codex thingie
at least I think it was? forget if it counts if you accept it + it gets removed at the end

how is that possible
lmao
4 conversions?
4 removals + exiting early + optimal serum removal
in theory it's possible to get the chaos start fate that converts basic cards to rare neutral ones to proc 3x on one character
haven't had that happen to me just yet, but it IS possible
its clearly not that
170 is 4 removals
I know
I personally like the right one
right and savescum for it? prob makes the most sense tbh
depends on whether you can spare the pts for divine / want that ap gen
It can yes
the choose one means you can do full house 100% of the time for ez draws
is the 'stronger quest' the bestone?
Hand full of quest cards
Eh imo no it’s okay but the stronger effect isn’t like THAT crazy
The 2 cost card he has turned into upgrade that gives u random quest reward on quest complete is giga good tho
Especially if u get divine epiph with 1 less cost
Ur hand just filling up with random quest cards
Best rewards def the free draw and 2 all stat for 1 turn
But the latter one is from the quest which requires u to play 0 cost 1 cost and 2 cost aka the most annoying one
Just happened to me as well
Nice mission accomplished beat king crab with renoa even tho already beat it before with Tressa got to do it with best girl
None of that DoT bs looking at @lyric osprey
No u
dang i got an insane conversion at the start. (both forced learning apparatus and self generating experiment). but also one of my mei lin strike got converted. now i have to finish this chaos with only one strike on mei lin lol
That’s what I call a brick
Guess u gotta get the upgrade one that generates 2
yeah i just need to survive cause this start will be insnae for multifacted parallel universe nexus
But what happens if u don’t get the upgrade for Mei Lin
Forever 1 strike 
what do you guys think, should i keep excatasy of violence on cassius? or dead card?
Is that the 9 cost one?
yeah
my dps use the draw one
nonono put it on cassius, make sure you super brick the run
it's already bricked
now you just gotta build the wall

dude the run is insane for cassius
well he's not going to look like cassius. he's going to be a upgrade bot

What the
Let us know final result
basically going to be this, (150 points). all my cassius ephinaies sucked so I had to nuke his cards away
Rip dice trick
Oops, it added back heal. I guess I counted wrong
Oh maybe conversions are like 30 points not 10 points like the calculator told me
Guess that’s what I get for trusting the calculator lol
But was a meme build anyways haha
Dice trick was lost due to an early misplay :(. Wish i didn't mess that up lol
Idk who to farm for now
Maybe some god renoa build
Should do magna but absolutely hate her now ugh
Maybe an orlea 
renoa is kindof bad now that we know how to make perfect decks.
being able to kill bad cards used to be good. but now shes kindof usless since its just like additive damage increase, and moral is easy to get
Hello sir? U didn’t see renoa hitting for 70k now did ya
Rei is still good cuz she adds lot of damage with her base stuff just slap the good neutral stuff and ull be slapping even more
@lyric osprey I blame u was farming for renoa but then game decides “hey I heard u wanted a Mika build for Tressa”
U know what imma go for some degenerate magna build with 4 iron walls
She can?
I thought her dmg was capped and all
Like max 8-10k with 10 bullets deck
Maybe lower
Well now… this is definitely something truly degenerate
Yeah basically u need copies of 100% extra attack on dirge bullet on ballad
And stack as many bullets in ur deck
Well technically I saw a dude get his extra attack on dirge to like 800% or something stupid
He was critting 11k per bullet lol
@granite hull also if u run with Nia just fill ur entire deck with bullets and use her ego skill on first shuffle
Discarding ur entire deck works for renoa so if u have like 50 bullets in ur deck she will just extra attack 50 times with Nia ego skill
I'll do one of those too !
Pretty good !
Guess I'll have to work on her this week. This sounds way too fun !
Figured out the renoa thing @granite hull
Basically u need 2 different flowers one that discards all other combatant cards
And one that discards up to 2 cards and amps damage based on cost
U discard kayron 9 cost card which by the looks of it gives renoa 360% damage
just uncapped luke to lvl 60
Then u just use other flower and voila she be hitting like a truck
he only has a memory with crit chance main stat
Pretty normal no?
Is urs e2?
Yes he is exactly e2
I'll see if I can get crit chance substats on the other fragments
Does he need a minimum of 50%?
For his 1 card yeah
Does his last potential node require crit or nah?
I have her on discard all with 3 dupes of it right now, idk if I want to change it.and Pair it with the void card +40% dmg upgrade
The only problem is when 2 or 3 of discard all comes in same turn
Yeah not huge fan of gimmicky things that aren’t consistent
Yeah discard all is pretty consistent tho and need very minimal setup
Probably the most kayron will be used
he technically is required for it for the cost of his card
Kayron will always be meme material
wtf nihilum
Agony 6 would've been so good on Tressa
But this is Selena
The sensible choice here is mark 2
tasty as fuck
Big brain it get agony and put her on agony set
You're right stage 8 is fun
@hasty hearth the one time i needed the rifle on mei lin
I wish I got a dupe often the confiscation
Even with just one man
She’s insane
And since I have the upgrade variant of the mute
Confiscation draws any random forbidden card in deck right ? I mean Doesnt have to be forbidden card from “starter” deck of that unit but have to be in whole deck (so other chars can have it in their deck ) right ?
We can work with 10 cards
True yeah
In the case the card of choice is the hunger in nias deck
To guarantee what I want to do tho I can’t use the forbidden attack card in anyone else’s deck
So it’s a slight trade off
Just asking since I got 2 confis in Veronica deck (no forbidden card in that run) and one with same divine as you so when other chars gets forbidden I want to use I can pair it that way if needed
Then look for you a good forbidden to pair
The deck can be good
Also disclaimer the forbidden card will go to a unit at random to start
Whenever u finish the zone ur in u can choose who u put it on
I managed to get only 1 forbidden card until now for all the runs I did..so like 1 in 10+ for me for now
Sus build 
Ye will draw any forbidden card doesn’t have to be from that character
Dude I just want machine gun kayron build but it refuses to come wtf
Why must it be so difficult to get a meme build going 

Also, since the wording can be “kinda” wonky does confiscate work that it draws a card + draws forbidden card from deck ? So basically tutor +draw for free ?
It’s slightly weaker than that
Cuz it doesn’t work like a move card
It’s a draw
I have to see if u can reset a deck with it
@hasty hearth provide an op Cassius build pls
Oh yeah.. if its like attack and for example forbidden card already used last turn in gy that part of confiscate will prob “miss”
Anybody have a Cassius deck to share? 
what build is that
I'm also trying
I got a build but mainly for tressa and it not a seasonal one
Turn him into a sub dps too
this one its the best one right?
depends, sometimes the discard whole hand = draw 5 is better
cuz that is in all cases a +5 draw if u discard what u dont need

just got it on divine 0 cost
blessed by kyu
oh that works even if u have only 1 card on ur deck wtf thats broken
yea
the only drawdown is sometimes ur in a bind, use it and throw away some OK cards in order to gamble for better ones or nah
but most of the time its a very exceptional play
especially if u can get it to be free to play with godly epi
yea can see it, crazy card, got to copy it
lets see how this deck ends up
Like he did it's situational. I like this one and the one that moves stuff best
I prefer the discard 1 (hand) draw 5. The amount of cycle and crazy turns it can setup with gbags/nyx/reorgs/multiple sources for ap is nutty
3 weeks feels too long. Bleh. I gotta find a unit work on
Still pretty good

Unlucky you didn't get the choose quest
It’s pretty solid. He got good div epis
i got to pick it but i rather the +1 ap
Choose full house is kinda lit for more cycle
Yeah I still like having the option to pick my quest
Jacket lit. Sideboob looks preposterous doe
Yep
how the fuck conversion points work? if I convert basic card thats 10 points, yeah sure.. but does that mean another +20 points for the neutral itself so basically convert is 30points all in all?
It's 10 but if you get an epi on it that another 10 I think
that still doesnt add up
If you did get a divine on it, it's 30
although bad mute accent epi, otherwise not bad for renoa....but how the fuck is amp therapy back on t13NM ?
3removes=100, 1convert is 10+20divine epi, dupes is +10 so what actually happened or where I miscounted?
You remove 3 basic card and each one of them crawls back into the final deck anyways
Yeah no clue lol
also given the state of deck should be 90 points not 120 ....so like... WTF?
something fucked my points to + value more than it should so the 3rd remove could not proceed and reverted back due to points overcap
t13Nightmare so basically T14
1convert on start of run to strategic point and than 3 removes
and 1 remove reverted back at the end of the run to that basic "heal" card
Yea missing something if you had 160 cap
even the finalized deck points dont make sense
I think it does so 100 removals 10 for 2nd copy
Then you got covert 10 then you landed div epi on the neutral
That must’ve sky rocketed its cost
Bc technically div epi on neutral costs 40 right
That puts you right at 160 hmm
even in bad coding scenario that I counted on and that would be that if basic convert to point with divine would be counted as convert 10 + neutral card 20 + divine epi 20 I would be still at 50 +100 for 3 basic removals and 10 for copy
exactly 160
and I am at 120 that dont add up no matter how you count
I see what happened
You got super lucky(unlucky) landing double epi on that neutral
That pushes you over. I was wondering why that starting point looked so juiced
Anyways that’s the only thing I can come up with. If you’re positive it was t14 that seems likely
so 50 points for double divine epi? oh fuck....
10 points for conversion + 20 neutral + 20 div
10 conversion, 20neutral card , 10 epi, 20divine epi
thats only way how it could have shot to 120 points on finalization
why are u adding 10 of epi.. that is not a thing
That’s what I’m thinking yea. Otherwise I dunno how you passed 160
Go look @lavish lark We’re trying to figure out how he passed cap
I mean i said that but he’s sure it was 14 lol
I always reroll for t13
it'd defo a NM run due to the tb text being purple
Curious bc if the card epi’d twice
I can see it counting the extra 10 but I’ve never encountered that
my hunch is check 2nd dupe cost
in the help tips
ik first is free, but if the 2nd is 20 cost that might explain it
no second dupe is 10
Yea all the lit says 10
must be the double epi
so wait
counts as divine+normal epi separately
it re-added amp therapy or?
yeah
then you had 4 removals, not three
1 conversion @rain rain
point is converted
so 1 convert, 2 removals of basic + 1 of normal card?
cuz removing basics does cost more than standard removal
1 convert, 3 removes
yes, I'm asking which cards were removed
1remove got reverted back
all character cards are 20 points btw
not just basic
where does it say that
@worthy raft did the G Chord have an epiphany when u removed it?
afaik first remove is free if it isn't a basic or epiphany card
In the pins
nope
it doesn't.. I tried it.. Deluge, Whirlpool, epiphanied blue card.. they all count as 20 points @rain rain
weird
unless that's what they mean by "epiphany"
which is kinda stupid
because the terminology is used twice for different meanings
Base 8 yea even regular epi cost 20 base
and yeah the all count as basic
even lets say adagio remove cost remove+20 for basic card
tbf, it doesn't say basic cards.. it says starting and epiphany cards
no they count partially as epi and partially as basic but the effect is the same
which are the character cards xdd
right but epiphany could also occur on neutral cards
so therein lies the confusion
because it's called the same thing, that help point is not very clear
if you count my deck that I posted, which is 2removes, 2dupes, 1convert to neutral with divine it doesnt add up
unless it counts the double epi on the neutral card as divine for 20 and normal epi for 10 separately
3removes before finishing the run
1got removed after run finish
and my deck is at 120 points that shouldnt be on 120 points
Oh shii he had mutant
when u go over the limit.. the count doesnt make sense anymore
because it changes cards
@worthy raft what was removed after the run? do u remember?
nothing
you mean 3 removes, since the amp was added back?
?
it added card back
it makes sense if it was 3 removes + one added back
remove amp from what I posted and that was my run finish deck
thing is, if you hit 8 cards held on a character at once during the run, it tries to keep that amount in the final deck afaik
so that could be why the add back
Ugh you keep saying remove when you mean readded right
You didn’t have mutant removal then
yeah re-added sorry
it definitely feels like it's a 160 points deck
nope
probably just got scammed by coding 
Did your neutral epi then div epi?
1tap
that is not a thing 
Bc that’s way stronger than normal based on what I’ve seen. 2ego 2draw -1 cost
yeah its basically epi+divine epi in one card
I mean just cuz we haven’t seen it happen doesn’t mean it can’t?
I bet it’s the bug epi div epi thing on Reddit
Adding extra 10
but aren't most divine epiph like that anyways?
u get the normal epi effect on top of the divine one
thats exactly what we concluded kinda too
Not always. Sometimes it’s just the icon bonus
because than that means 10extra points and I am over the cap by 10 points so it re-added last removal back and would also make sense for that 120points for that deck
so I got fucked over by this insane double epi on neutral aaaaaaargh.. xD
can you?
so you knew double epi on neutral (maybe even on other cards) costs 30?
I surely didnt
That’s just a guess but best guess so far
to be sure about that we would need a deck that wasn't scammed
cause when u get scammed.. points just scramble
10 from conversion, 20 from neutral, 10 from basic epi on neutral, 20 from divine epi on neutral, 100 from removals, 10 from duplication = 170 yeah
Example from Reddit
the thing is regular char card standard, non-divine epi is free
Same situation
its neutral where it actually costs something
so are you saying every divine neutral is 50 points?
can double epi happen on char cards also?
no, because regular epi is free there
Correct yep
now we know for sure
Feels good to solve it at least
so that neutral converted double epi card cost is 60 and thats what fucked my run to 170 points and why it reverted the 1 remove
what I find weird is that it didn't just chuck off the divine epi instead
because that would land the pt total closer to cap
unless that last removal happened after the divine epi did in run
or normal epi -10 and that would be exact 160
then I could see why it reverted that 50 cost removal
Coded behavior
doesn't seem to count the extra 10 on character card divine
Seems like it always checks removals first
dark condensation is normal epiph + divine
yeah , last removal was after epi
Since that’s -50 then it stopped
if it goes by order of stuff happening for priority that would make sense
so it exceeded point cap with the final removal and just reverted that
Yep bc char card or base 8 epis are free
this pretty much confirms it's 50 for neutral divine
Ya the Mei ss is same
thats really good to know for knowing what to look out for
so divine epiph on a neutral is basically always +30 .. cause u always get extra options no?
from what I looked through my SD right now , yeah divine on neutral is always double row effect and +30
thats a real hard miss, damn it xD
Eh we’ve only been hawking the data since seasonal started
That post was on Reddit 5 days ago tho so…
Here’s the post anyone catching up
Tbh could be lot better but hard to get double dice trick like this
Didn't rly worried too much ab draw cuz the gear bags
where the fuck are my credits
it even drained my credits
i had 60k left
the fuck is going on
Basically turn black hole into the upgrade card that does extra attack when u exhaust futility and get 3 copies of it. So every time u exhaust futility he’s just flailing his arms around
Also sad there no more
I like the one that give morale or the 0 DMG scaling card
man im SOOO pissed that this shit is bugged
i think it didnt even give me exp either
And if I had E2 he also does an extra pew pew every 2 I think
I def didn’t notice…
Oof
I did get the exp

Also dunno if someone already posted

She's fixing my Kayron issues surely
Bleh cdam 4pc stonks dipping

Omega heals on that kit damn

Skill card usage -1 is lit
Man SURELY it's real all of it
I finished the game, where's my New Game+
We missing some epis but solid af so far
not bad for a first time deck
Nvm I'm blind it's the first card
Luke's pretty fun just need to experiment some more
It’s too left yea
Her buff card
sweet relief when you get wanderer of the void on turn 1 against this boss
New game + is diff 11 tier 14 seasonal or lvl 100* planet zero basically
Now I need to start unlocking more difficulties in vanilla zero
I barely found a lvl 50 coordinate
looks like she could be used in Rin team, shit loads of skill cards with dmg buffing
She looks solid in general. Just no ap from what we’ve seen
But low cost decks won’t need that much
People are saying "don't send this child to fight cosmic horrors" but Beryl's already doing it
this is made for big nuke high cost attacks
this is for the quadruple whirlpool mika deck 
Yea that epi looks sick
the one that costs 4 AP
That card having outbreak is just sick
Dunno how she gets that but yuki can’t have any good buff with it ><
Isn’t this character supposed to be SR? Da fuq why are the SRs more broken than SSRs
Very interesting
Shit out quest card build
Maybe part 3 seasonal girl will be crazier ><
how long is the Yuki banner btw? didn't check
So wait is forbidden cards tied to the chaos dungeon itself aka available even after it ends or only until next chaos opens and gone forever
I said that to my friend

13D
so chizuru only 2 weeks away?
Yes
Dec 3rd
We probably will get another gimmick next season.
Ya they said it be added to the pool of chaos planets
Oh nice
Ah okay nice
So ppl can always grab those cards if they want them
Wait so it’s universal rare event after event over??
The heal on draw feel nice
I don't even need Mika now
Between that and the futility accessory
That’s cuz ur a Tressa enjoyer
Filthy
Can def do Mika less runs just takes good rng
This guy posted a mei rei vero run
Will be able to do my big turn
I dunno how fun it will be in chaos tho
Already said Mei Lin already lost interest
Bricked oath of vanity hurts
Real
What u mean u can enjoy ur kayron…. As biggest damage amper for renoa

lol I mean rei only is kinda nice
Go away
I wouldn’t run that shiii
Solid epis
I use my rei as morale bot now
5 perma morale with blade pushing to 9 for a turn
Should aim for the other upgrade card as well for another 2
Yeah
But idk since all content beat and we most likely can’t use the current chaos saves for next one
Might just chill
I bet seasonal saves will be fine
Doesn’t make sense to differentiate them
Like lab 2 saves only
Gay
Well it does cuz they want us to farm the new stuff
Otherwise just blast with what we have and can ignore it entirely?
Obviously if we can make cool builds of other mechanics some people will but bet more people prob won’t than would
Dunno as it is I don’t wanna play the old units past what I’ve done
I thought the attraction would be new forbiddens and rewards but maybe they’ll go seasonal specific
If they do that I’m not playing anything but chizuru lol
Anyways
It's kinda depressing that the only place we can use our builds are in the mode that reset
It's not even hard to begin with
I'm asleep
That’s why the appeal for uber perfect isn’t there for me
Yeah hopefully they release more content where we can use any save
They have to make old planets relevant imo can’t just keep doing whatever is newest planet is only thing relevant
Agree how to make zero relevant with seasonal
Bc zero if you’re maxed is just credit drain sooner or later
We just need more content like Judas 10 and basin
Yeah also not being able to get futility stuff in current lab is triggering me
Sides the only good lvl 30 thing from zero is that cube
Oh wait
Rest is kinda whatever
Please
In about two week I think
Maybe part 2 yea
I wonder if that’s the new chaos or just a new mode
Well depends how it works
Basin but chaos would be cool
Personally hope it’s new mode if it’s new chaos like
Does that mean 4 floors 2 for each???
Like two fights for ever my normal and elite battle
Time to make a Cassius build
Sounds bit too long and way more rng compared to right now
Use each team once. Kinda cool
I assume it's this
Rift is the leaderboard thing
Isn't that the thing that need two teams
The infinite hp punching bag boss

Yeah it does require 2 teams
4 floors sounds crazy. They already fielding complaints from the plebs that chaos takes too long and will look for ways to shorten gameplay
Fk Mei Lin
It's not good but good enough with my Vero
I don't bother with her tbh
I hate her
99% build are unplayable
Ugh but the renoa one is giga rng
Just busted
I don’t play her bc I don’t have her on main lol
Played enough of it on alt
I told ya Nia ego was sick like weeks ago
Shit is disgusting
I think it was you who said it would be cool to have an infinite map
Farming for a deck with 2 different flowers is gonna suck
Wasn’t me def someone else I think
Nah that was end
Oh true
He wanted procedurally generated infinite chaos lol
I'd love it
I’d hate it
Also just give me ability to reroll epi
What’s the point
We already kind of do with just increasing the planet level
Like lvl 11 seasonal is 130 which is big pain
Yeah I did it once wasn't fun
I cleared it twice just to make sure I wasn’t tripping
I think they nerf epi chance and gear
Bc both runs were starved af
Right now?
Yeah
I mean every since they did the update NGL maybe I'm coping I did few run where I wasn't full epi
Heck I did a run where I got to last boss end I didn't have joker on Cassius
Idk
Very sus
I finished run where vero wasn’t full epi and Mika got deluge on last boss
Full epiphany? More like 0 epiphany literally
I was also missing weapon on vero like 75% of the run aids
If I could go negative I'm sure it would happen oh wait.. not getting every cards on a chara is legit that

I just want a decent Cassius seasonal build
Why is it so hard
Relies on div epi luck
So this hasn’t happened to u? Literally 0 epiphanies
Yes
Kekw on Mei Lin that so cursed
Cursed run lol
Honestly they need to rework counters in this game
Does way too little and doesn’t do anything if enemy doesn’t hit u
Evade honestly is better than counter
Same
Interesting
Cuz I wanted to build him with 700 hp somehow
But offensive stats line somewhat
For pushing diff11?
Rn I’m at 550 hp 42% CC 176cdmg
In general
About to run him in seasonal
Never played him so I’ll just learn as I go
Well you gotta sacrifice somewhere. Hp substat can land 40+
He has a lot of dead cards early, focus removals and pray for good epis
Yeah
How do you get this?
Do i really want to farm for gimmick renoa build just for galactic rift

Da heck 700 hp
He crazyyy
Mines at a comfortable 394 hp 

Mine is currently at 550
I wanted the fortitude buff too
Ima save his crit build for Tressa
Make a quality only build with 700hp for anyone else I use him with
I already have that ready to go my guy
Used it when I first started using Magna Orlea Beryl
Now that’s degenerate team
I have to update it tho cuz it’s on 3star gear
They literally take no dmg





