CZN gooner gang godz only

[hasty hearth]

Yeah discards 1 card from ur hand after playing 1 card

Fk u king crab

[rain rain]

ngl what I'm wondering is whether it can discard a card that would otherwise be tied to the card you're using

like, ik it can discard a 2nd vulture because that doesn't proc immediately after the 1st card use but has to wait for the first vulture to go off before it kicks in

[hasty hearth]

U mean like renoa using card discard dirge bullet will it discard the bullet before the renoa card discards it?

[rain rain]

but can frothing rage discard the first vulture even if it would proc immediately after the card use?

something like that yeah

[hasty hearth]

No it discards after the card is played so it does its thing then discards

[rain rain]

but what if it's like a combo or celestial card

[hasty hearth]

Like gear bag?

[rain rain]

yeah or the vulture procs from khalipe

[hasty hearth]

Yeah it can discard that

[rain rain]

but can it discard it prior to it being used

[hasty hearth]

Iirc happened to me before

[rain rain]

interesting

[hasty hearth]

I could be wrong about the combo/celestial tho

[rain rain]

so even if it's the first card to be linked in a chain like that, it can still be discarded before it gets used?

I know if there's multiple it can discard the not-initial combo/celestial proc

since those happen after the first chain link happens

[hasty hearth]

Yeah that for sure can happen

[rain rain]

what I'm wondering about is whether you can use a card that procs a combo/celestial, then have it discard that combo'd card before it gets used

eg if you have only 1 vulture ejection card in hand + use a 2+ cost card other than it, is vulture a valid target for discarding from that boss skill

[hasty hearth]

I’ll try test with renoa

[rain rain]

cuz I know the frothing rage discard effect happens pre-combo/celestial proc

but post all effects on the card actualy being used in the first place

[hasty hearth]

Just confirmed

Boss does indeed discard before combo goes off

[rain rain]

yup

but did it discard the combo card itself?

[hasty hearth]

Had gear bag in hand and used card

He discarded gear bag

[rain rain]

nice

that's good info

means those sorts of strats either require multiple in hand vs crab or probably should be considered after alternative options

because sometimes the combo/celestial procs get funky with how enemies/interaction requirements happen

cuz like the parasite elite dude, using a celestial proc from using khalipe 2 cost cards is a-ok without him doing that immediate attack

same deal with using a card, getting a combo proc, then using another card from the unit that had the combo card

but then the normal stomach dude enemy (the one that's in the event in dark chaos where you feed him + he has a chance to explode from eating too much)

that guy's derangement effect DOES count the combo/celestial proc as a card used

so like if you use an attack to lower the card cost via derangement with gear bag in hand, it counts gear bag as the 2nd card used out of the 3 per turn on that effect

[mellow bolt]

Do I lv up both unique and basic cards for her?

[charred citrus]

Her 2 cost basic is pretty good early on runs

Plus it’s pretty cheap to upgrade

Unique fasho

I dm’d you pic btw @mellow bolt

[mellow bolt]

Oh ty ty

Wait I didn’t get anything

But I’ll just upgrade anything except neutral

[charred citrus]

Ahh prolly a discord setting

[molten raft]

not lv50 yet, but doing 9/9 on lv 3 is haaaard

nvm higher

I assumed it was a camo cheese angle

[hasty hearth]

Ooo ur playing? Did u quit ER

Mmmmmm pretty dang good Yuki

Would’ve liked different accessory and malchorite wep but it is what it is

[lavish lark]

yo waddup @molten raft welcome buddy

[solemn yacht]

This gacha game is too fun imo

feels great just trying to grind even with no rewards lol

the dopamine hit from a god tier save data is too tempting to chase lol

that being said getting perfect save data is a pita

[charred citrus]

I like that weap you got too. Long as it’s multi

Been trying to get some a decent ap build going but can never find the copy event oof

Been kind of a bum night. All the saves have been mediocre

[solemn yacht]

the copy event sucks so bad haha 🙁

so hard to get multiple copies now in seasonal

[charred citrus]

Yeee 🫤

[rain rain]

I'm kinda in the weird place of wanting to farm save data but also not because low level save data just gonna get replaced anyways

and farming for 44ish zero currency / run doesn't sound like a fun time

[solemn yacht]

Wow this event was the first time I saw it. Pretty good for dps rare gear

[solemn yacht]

I mean if you just escape it keeps your world. So you just need one high world to keep on rerolling till your almost set at final boss

[charred citrus]

Ya that cape is nice

[rain rain]

that's the thing, I'm not there yet on the acc I wanna push

[rain rain]

I almost got a save yesterday with that cape + the draw 1/1ap purple accessory from parasite elite dude

but dice said no on the cape

[charred citrus]

Friggin game is so sweaty at diff 11

Seems way better and chill to just farm diff 9 t14s

[hasty hearth]

That’s what I do

If u want big chill u can do 8 since the rare final boss only happens on 9+

[charred citrus]

Yea that was sweat lord ish. I almost bricked run like 5x.

Starved for gear whole time

Ended up making this ocd Mika build

Legit no other form of draw would appear. But those shots saved me over and over again

[hasty hearth]

Same with this rei build but

[charred citrus]

Only source of morale too bc of epi luck

[hasty hearth]

5 morale rei does feel really good

[charred citrus]

Niiice ya don’t sleep on rei man

I threw vero set on her and she was doing ok-ish dmg to help out. Viable sub dps

[rain rain]

I just had a thought

does the x+1 accessory apply to celestial procs?

or is that super strict on ap used

[charred citrus]

Nah card has to have the terms

[rain rain]

my hunch is it won't work but it's worth testing

well true, but if the card is X cost

and you have x = x+1 accessory, which is it

[charred citrus]

It works on khals shield-retain card

[rain rain]

basically is the chicken or the egg first

yes, I know it works, what I'm wondering is can you proc a celestial card with 1 ap only that way

[charred citrus]

Nah def would’ve seen it happen

[rain rain]

well most times you don't slap that x+1 accessory on anyone, no?

you just dismantle it for credits

[charred citrus]

I put it on khal if she has nothing

[rain rain]

fair I guess

[charred citrus]

So I can spend 0 and still get shield from that card

[rain rain]

yea, but spending 0 and spending 1 are different here

cuz spending 1 can in theory become 1+1

that's why I want to test it, even if it ends up not working

[hasty hearth]

No because u are still spending the original amount (1 in ur example) but ur getting the effect of 2

That’s why it won’t proc celestial because it’s not changing the cost played just the effect amount

I have one saved let me test it to make sure

[acoustic iron]

lol having fun with low diff and managed triple softie on exterior boss

[rain rain]

I mean yes it's 1 cost for 2 effect, I guess I'm just wondering where in the process that 2 effect kicks in

[hasty hearth]

Yup confirmed it’s as I said @rain rain

[charred citrus]

shame on you. I thought I was gonna see the 5 hit finisher

[rain rain]

k

that's fine, it's still good info

[acoustic iron]

yeah sadly my destruction epiphany is ass

but this run focus is on orlea

[charred citrus]

I broke my record on interior boss earlier

[acoustic iron]

lead/initiation with nexus is the idea

[charred citrus]

Vero with 3.1k uchi mas smh

[rain rain]

lol

[hasty hearth]

@charred citrus have u tried the forbidden card the one where u draw gives u 1 draw + 1 ap

With precision shot

U can get some dank memes

[charred citrus]

I’ve only seeen it once on diff 11 and it got me killed lol

The downside before first boss where it just discards

Got trolled so hard lol

[hasty hearth]

The downsides are so imbalanced

[charred citrus]

I will hunt for that combo tho

Since you mentioned. I’m not doing lvl 130 shit again

[hasty hearth]

The one where next 2 attack cards do 0 damage is so fking annoying

[rain rain]

this is why I run tressa

[charred citrus]

Cleared once and not goin back to that torture

[rain rain]

still applies agony + agony dmg

literally becomes free from jaws of death

[hasty hearth]

Yeah cuz I was totally farming for Tressa with that card in mind

[charred citrus]

That one isn’t as bad on yuki but also annoying too

[rain rain]

but you don't have to have it on tressa tho?

[hasty hearth]

???

What do u mean by that

[rain rain]

maybe I'm confused as to what you meant by your comment

[charred citrus]

It’s a forbidden card downside he referring to

[rain rain]

yes I know

[charred citrus]

The card he mentioned makes you discard 2 cards when you pull it

[hasty hearth]

The card downside applies to entire team

[charred citrus]

It’s fking aids

[hasty hearth]

Yes Tressa overcomes it with agony

But I wasn’t farming for Tressa with that card aka didn’t bring Tressa at all

[rain rain]

fair enough

I just bring tressa because she makes that option essentially free

or nearly so

[charred citrus]

Thing was so troll. It kept discarding my ballista and draw cards

[rain rain]

maybe I'm thinking of a different effect tho

[hasty hearth]

No Malki talking bout different one

[rain rain]

cuz the one where 1st 2 damage cards do 0 is the one I was thinking of

[hasty hearth]

The one u and me were talking about is the same one

[charred citrus]

The 100% dmg reduction on next two atk cards?

[rain rain]

yea

[hasty hearth]

Ye

[rain rain]

it still applies agony/dot effects even with that reduction

even if not from tressa

[hasty hearth]

I was running Cassius/mika/Yuki and it was really fking annoying

Kept coming when I had full yuki combo

[charred citrus]

Ya bc it’s not a card nods

Makes sense

[hasty hearth]

Also for people who don’t know

The 0 cost that pulls forbidden card and draw 1

[rain rain]

yeah it can be annoying, especially with vero ballistae if you don't get enough uses in

[hasty hearth]

That also pulls the debuff card

[charred citrus]

Easiest one I’ve seen so far is the heal shield reduction

[hasty hearth]

So just be careful

[charred citrus]

That’s a “who cares” one ez

[rain rain]

oof, good to know

[hasty hearth]

Yeah that one is so easy

[rain rain]

imbalance much? lol

although I guess it depends on who you're running

[hasty hearth]

Nah even double healer teams it’s not even bad

Especially if one is Mika

I’d say if ur running like idk

[rain rain]

oh it's not 100% reduction for 2 cards like the atk one?

[hasty hearth]

Double shield and healer

Then can be annoying

But… who really does that

[hasty hearth]

It is

[rain rain]

ah

[charred citrus]

True masochist

[hasty hearth]

It’s just not impactful

[rain rain]

yeah, figures

[charred citrus]

Fell asleep with you just mentioning the comp

[rain rain]

not being able to deal damage is much more impactful

[hasty hearth]

Cuz just kill them then who cares about effect

And if ur sitting on ap just get rid of the effect

[rain rain]

cuz if you can't kill you keep taking damage

and/or stress etc

[hasty hearth]

Yeah exactly

Especially since the 1st boss

U have to do minimum 1 damage to get rid of hunger stack

So double fks

[rain rain]

mhmm

with mika on team it's slightly less of an issue due to the inbuilt ap gen with wave mechanics

but if you aren't running her OR agony damage it's aids

can still wipe to that boss even with mika if you get trolled on epi card unlock timings too

happened to me on one run on main when I was going with vero/renoa/mika

that wasn't fun, lol

the problem was that literally both of those hypercurse card options or whatever were the same thing

so I literally couldn't not pick it

[hasty hearth]

Man wish u could duplicate forbidden card

I mean guess the 0 cost is close enough as a custom search for it

[solemn yacht]

How much points is conversion to neutral + 1 ephiany?

[lavish lark]

should be 40

total

[solemn yacht]

ty

[rain rain]

you technically can, just need a specific event for it to happen

the copy event in the event dungeon can copy forbidden cards afaik, but the boss ones can't

the one where you pick the card, not the random of 3 version

[hasty hearth]

U sure? It explicitly says on the card they can’t be copied

[rain rain]

and it explicitly says in that event that "including forbidden cards"

[hasty hearth]

Man that event be rare as fk

Think I only saw it like once

And that was day 1

[rain rain]

yeah, pretty sure it's interior only too

I've gotten it twice so far, but neither run had a forbidden card proc, even the one that had tunnel happen

cuz I got the lolrare tunnel instead

[acoustic iron]

not bad my first nexus build

[solemn yacht]

I wish i knew how to nagivate the asian forums for this game. I feel like there are definite rules for where chaos events can trigger

and maybe if I wanted to get a specific event (like getting the combat test) I need to know which sections to target

[acoustic iron]

true but its also fun just trying every new thing

[hasty hearth]

Idk about definite guarantees but the “area look” matters just like u can tell what elite mob u will fight based on the model used for room selection

[rain rain]

from what I can tell, events are divided into 2 major categories (interior/exterior), then subdivided further based off the node appearance

[solemn yacht]

yeah and some events seems to be first third only, some events seem tobe only in the last few nodes

[rain rain]

well there are also events that you have to proc other events first in order to access them

like this isn't specific to the seasonal ones, but for the regular dark chaos you can technically always get the copy card event every run if you focus on hitting as many unidentified nodes as possible in interior

[solemn yacht]

Just really annoying to farm tressa. I need to get mutant or a good conversion, then I need to get the right heal ephiany, then I need to get the +30% damage accessory, and the 40% 0 cost weapon, and then i need to copy the right card haha

[rain rain]

generally the rarer ones happen closer to the boss, but also may come with preceeding requirements on other events cleared (or number of events cleared)

[hasty hearth]

Well idk bout that I’ve gotten no copy card heck I even got secret shop event over the copy and I’m pretty sure secret shop thing only happens if u are “out of events” kind of like the stupid hp orb one

[rain rain]

I meant on the regular dark chaos

[hasty hearth]

Yeah this is regular dark chaos

[solemn yacht]

This is okayish, but I feel like I messed up going into dimensionsal tunnel in interior, rather than searching for the +30% damage accessory

[rain rain]

there you can 100% gurantee the copy

idk I've done like 20+ runs back to back and got it every time

[hasty hearth]

I’ve gotten the other 2 stupid events in interior without copy event

[rain rain]

but I also opened up map to plan my route out at start too

[hasty hearth]

Copy is definitely pretty common I think that was legit only time I didn’t get it

And I was pissed cuz I got those stupid other events instead of copy

[rain rain]

rip

[mellow bolt]

Copy is definitely not common in the event chaos

Unless my account is cursed

[hasty hearth]

That was about non seasonal

[mellow bolt]

Ohh

[mellow bolt]

Isn’t non seasonal guaranteed

I’ve never seen one without it

[acoustic iron]

YOOO

[hasty hearth]

I’ve had one without

[mellow bolt]

Actually I haven’t tried a non seasonal chaos since this patch came out

[mellow bolt]

Damn that’s pretty bad rng

[unkempt arrow]

Hello?

Where is the gold

Trash ass mission

[hasty hearth]

If u called them units bet it would’ve been there

[unkempt arrow]

[hollow ledge]

we are making numbers

[rain rain]

yup, basically becomes a free stuff simulator after a bit

[hasty hearth]

Only 16 more of those and u got urself 1 whole pull hugeeee

[hollow ledge]

15*

[hasty hearth]

Oh right didn’t include the one u got

15 HUGEEEE

[hollow ledge]

I already got the research point once after I ran out of buyables

[hasty hearth]

@hallow trout did u quit yet

[hollow ledge]

Looking forward to a Passion healer

Mono Passion is forced to run a 2 dps + Maribell

[solemn yacht]

what comp is fun that i should play besides mei lin and tressa?

[hollow ledge]

Personally I love Selena, Mei Lin, Maribell

[solemn yacht]

no mei lin, my mei lin comp is already super strong. looking for a change of pace

[hasty hearth]

If u like both of those then renoa

Yuki is also fun

[solemn yacht]

who do i run with renoa?

[hasty hearth]

But definitely not as good as those 2 ur playing

[solemn yacht]

I wonder if yuki is good for auto farming

[hollow ledge]

I also ran Rin + 2 of any healer / shielder

[hasty hearth]

For renoa u can run bunch of different things

Cassius, rei, Mika, khalipe any combination of those

Nia probably also works if u have her built

[hollow ledge]

Beryl retain extra attack build

[hasty hearth]

Vero also works

Anyone that can draw and is ap efficient and renoa will fit nicely

If u have kayron u can go for machine gun kayron…. It’s not that good but it’s fun

[solemn yacht]

hahaha

tbh i guess with new chaos i should probably play something that either "draws" or "zero cost"

[hasty hearth]

Renoa prob still prefers mist chaos for BiS but she can get nice build from new one

Revelations is just such a nutty accessory and she utilizes it really well

[solemn yacht]

oh true, might be worth mixing it up and playing old chaos

[hasty hearth]

U can also build her different ways

One that utilizes mostly on extra damage

Or one that makes her uniques hit really hard

Or hybrid of both

Rei just pumps her damage really hard

[solemn yacht]

tbh idk if mist chaos has any really good multiplicative damage weapons tho. i like big numbers haha

[hasty hearth]

It does have good one

[solemn yacht]

i saw the one that exaushts a card in your hand for 30% more damage

[hasty hearth]

Think the one that gives u multiplicative damage when u exhaust

Yeah

The one ur talking about is accessory tho

Revelations hands down takes accessory slot

Turns ur dps renoa into generating like 500 shield a turn

[hollow ledge]

just maxed out her level and partner

[hasty hearth]

There is weapon that gives I think 15% multiplicative when a card is exhausted

Nvm 25%

[hollow ledge]

i wish you all a

[next jolt]

Wtf left side big win

[solemn yacht]

okay i think i'm going to work on forbidden portrait of fury rin. Going to be pia to farm but at least its something new

[hasty hearth]

The nuts except for the fact that 2 of the cards have 0 epiph and wrong one for dirge bullet creation

Game really didn’t want to give me epiphanies

But bis wep and accessory for dps from seasonal chaos

With right flower and forbidden

[solemn yacht]

yeah even with the buff i'm having a hard time getting all epiphanies too

[meager junco]

I need to build him huh....

Btw Tier 2 dps according to tier lists xd

Trash lists as usual

I also got him E6 so i should definietly do that

[hollow ledge]

Selena if she was up to date with modern day combat doctrine

the epiphanied maneuvering war has 2 mark apply aoe

tier 7 (nightmare included)

Ok so this confirms one thing

When you copy from an event, the cost does not count

20 for shield, 50 for 2 neutrals + 1 neutral epi and 10 for two copies (0+10)

The third copy was from the chaos ritual thing and normally it should have been 30 points more

but it appears that copies are free

The same should be for event removes (the example i was about to provide was wrong)

[unkempt arrow]

This would be the last fight lol

Can’t escape these dogs

Lost the attack! Card

Kept everything else

And didn’t get whirlpool back

Got a good Tressa build for shorter fights too

[supple wasp]

u shoud have said

yes the video is correct

yuki is best

god damn miracle

[unkempt arrow]

This Yuki cope is ridiculous lol

She’s easily T2

Only reason I’d argue T1.5 or 1 is because she’s literally the only dedicated aoe dmg dealer rn

Whenever another comes she’s dropping

He tried to run her yesterday in seasonal and died like 9 times

Coping saying “I misplayed” no she sucks ass

[lyric osprey]

Lol

[mellow bolt]

My first ever Renoa run, and it’s from the chaos event and didn’t even have a replicate event lol

[mellow bolt]

Damn I fked up that 9/9 crab with Hugo and Tressa

He didn’t even have a chance

[faint onyx]

I’m still farming a Tressa deck for crab

Diff 10 event chaos hits so hard

You don’t even get achievement for it

[acoustic iron]

@short tulip idk if u saw this

[short tulip]

oh its omega hidded

[acoustic iron]

amazing

[meager junco]

rin going AOE XD

yuki who

[drifting flame]

[meager junco]

tier 11 event chaos with enemy having +40% hp and shit lol

[acoustic iron]

sick

overwhelm is so good on her

[meager junco]

yeah

she deals SOOO much dmg with it lol

oh sweet, got this finally

[rain rain]

hmm, I guess that's okay... lack of epis + removal of the 3-cost forbidden card generator kinda sucks tho

rip me being so low lvl on the acc tho, coulda saved that card with +1 tier 🙁

you can get double tunnel tho

dunno if it blocks 2nd forbidden card gain since I got the rare version 2nd time in interior but it IS possible to get 2x tunnel in 1 run

[mellow bolt]

What did you guys use to beat chaos XI in the event?

[hasty hearth]

Renoa for me

[charred citrus]

Yuki vero

@mellow bolt you see my bagless Mika? I was starved the entire run

[hollow ledge]

So the AP cap is 9...

[charred citrus]

On st ,) no softies!

[hollow ledge]

having a deck of 4 drone bombing is quite fun

[charred citrus]

lot of cool things you can do with neutrals ya

[meager junco]

what skill did u use

[charred citrus]

I’ll show ya the deck that saved. I ended up cycling through most of em 😂

[hollow ledge]

nope, not neutrals

i managed to copy selena's drone bombing 3 times

all have the combo epiphany

[charred citrus]

Ahh you meant Selena

[hollow ledge]

BUT

it also has 2 maneuvering fires

one of which gives mark 2 on all enemies

80 point deck, 50 of which went on the neutrals alone

[charred citrus]

She’s a solid 4*. She has some nice tenacity dmg epis too

[hollow ledge]

I agree, she's the first I max leveled

I want to try and make a quadruple drone bombing deck again

without neutrals it'd only be 30 points

assuming i don't cheese basic removals with conversions, i'd have to spend 100 points on removing basic cards alone

the thing is her basic attacks aren't entirely useless because piercing damage and high power scope II works on them as well

[charred citrus]

I focused on her 0cost upgrade deck

Since I used her with mei and didn’t want her to use ap at all

[hollow ledge]

I like taking high power scope II, target spotted V, tactical maneuver I or V

as for drone bombing, my go-to is II which is the combo one. III and V are also fun

if you dupe V, it just increases the coordinated attack percentage; she doesn't do more attacks

[charred citrus]

This man loves the rabbit

🫡

[faint onyx]

Apparently Douglass is better than 4* Partners for Haru

Cause Douglas gives is multiplicative

I leveled the wrong one this entire time

[charred citrus]

Asteria has flat and multi

[rain rain]

didn't that get updated?

pretty sure last I checked she was flat and flat now

[charred citrus]

Oh you mean 4* partners

[rain rain]

but yea douglas is better than 4*

[charred citrus]

Nah

[rain rain]

oh that

yeah that part is multi

I thought you mean the ego skill part, which is also flat

....thanks game? for giving me a useless choice

[charred citrus]

Happens often

[lavish lark]

damn

[hollow ledge]

It could have been better

[charred citrus]

Tressa gang gang

[lavish lark]

my tressa is doing 100 dmg from agony

the +50% from vital attack gives it 101 dmg.. doing 201 per agony

nice 50% btw

[charred citrus]

201 is disgusting

Damn

[lavish lark]

that piece made me go from 79 to 100

oh wait.. I also changed my chalice from atk to void% nvm

[dawn thunder]

is it just me or mei lin feels kinda weak thorughout the early run

[rain rain]

that's because the +50% is in addition to the base value...which is 50%

so it's net effect of doubling

[dawn thunder]

i'm like failing the event chaos with her

[lavish lark]

oh it's additive. didn't think about that

now it makes a lot more sense

[rain rain]

[hallow trout]

nope still alive

Just playing WWM

single player game, haven't even touched multiplayer yet

[hasty hearth]

What the did grand bait u

[hallow trout]

nope

self baited

needed a good console game to play

been just roaming the world mapless

its fun side game for now

$65k boat memes

[hasty hearth]

Thought it was 40k

Bet u have it

[meager junco]

not mine but appearently this lets u get twice the rewards from a run

tops out at 25% i guess

should have saved my stamina potions huh

[worthy raft]

should be only outings in city with chars shouldnt be?

[rain rain]

isn't excursion when you use the passes for outings?

[meager junco]

oh shit

E2 here i come!

[hasty hearth]

Yeah that’s what I thought as well

[meager junco]

i wonder whose dupe i should take from the event shop now

[rain rain]

looks like I'll hit lv40 on khalipe alt in a couple days

[hasty hearth]

Could just save it

[meager junco]

if we can, sure

[hasty hearth]

Pretty sure it’s functionally same as e7

[meager junco]

Orlea E2 isnt bad either

she gets a free retain once she creates

i mean when it evolves into 3*

[hasty hearth]

It’s just a universal dupe that can be used on anyone

Only way I can see them not being same as they have it in e7 is if they limit it to only be usable on like season heroes

[meager junco]

sure hope they dont

[rain rain]

uhhh did the game just crash for anyone else or is it just ldplayer being a shit for me rn

[worthy raft]

up and running

[rain rain]

thought so

wonder why these crashes keep happening for me, it keeps throwing an "invalid login" error on occasion for me after hanging for a bit on the connecting screen

done the whole clear cache routine and I'm not doing anything beyond just playing the game so idk wtf is going on

[unkempt arrow]

Which?

[rain rain]

if you already have the +50% agony dmg vital hit epi secured I would probably go with right one

[unkempt arrow]

It’s between 0 and 2 costs

As long as my vital is a good one

Two isn’t a bad choice

[rain rain]

middle is decent too but less useful since it's only one per turn, albeit on everything

that being said there is a niche for middle if you manage to dupe it 1x that it'll apply a 4 stack every turn, meaning the vital hit extra proc epi is free without any further agony application

[unkempt arrow]

But with the ideal build middle is pointless

Ur always stacking

[rain rain]

yea

[unkempt arrow]

If u have the cycle potential to go infinite

2 is kinda whatever too

[rain rain]

nah, 2 is super useful in tandem with cursed gouge

cuz it applies an extra 2 stack of agony for each application, so that extra +1 stack means you get 2x2 extra stacks each dagger used

for a total of 2x3 + 1x1

but if you aren't going for an agony application build, eg using her as hugo support instead, 0 cost is good too

tldr if the goal is to use her as hugo support, I would go with the 0 cost, if you're going for an agony stacking I'd do the 2-cost, probably avoid the middle unless absolutely necessary for your build / it's already fk'd by other epis anyways

[main isle]

Yoooo, quit most of my other gacha

Yall still liking this game?

[rain rain]

yea its fun

lots of potential for timesink without spending

[main isle]

Cool, might buy a reroll account and give it a swing

[rain rain]

depending on what you're looking for I might have one I can slide your way

have a couple accs that are guest-based that I'm not really actively playing rn

[main isle]

Thanks! I'll look up what the possibilities are after work and get back to ya

[rain rain]

sure np

[faint onyx]

I hate the dupe

It’s always something useless

[rain rain]

rng be rng, yeah

[faint onyx]

They give you shit like Hugo Shield / Whirlpool / Vital

[rain rain]

vital hit is arguably good

assuming you already have the +50% agony dmg epi on it

but agree that the rng is not kind a lot of the time

[lavish lark]

vital is a good one cause tressa is very ap efficient

[faint onyx]

When you only have 1 dupe chance since it’s so rare in event

I need the shadow reload

Or else it’s a delete

Idk why the chance to dupe is so low

Meanwhile I get the same event the last 4 runs

[faint onyx]

Is cast twice or +50% better?

The cast 2x makes Hugo send 2 dogs too

I just want a deck with 2x shadow reload

[rain rain]

+50% agony dmg (specifically the agony dmg itself version) has more potential vs super hard content

but the 2nd trigger is more useful if hugo is your main dmg source

[faint onyx]

Oh that

Yeah if you stack enough

One day I’ll get a dupe healing shadow

Either it’s the wrong epiphany or I can’t dupe it

[molten raft]

my union just disbanded lmao

[molten raft]

ayo

[unkempt arrow]

This Vero deck is so gross man

If only I picked up that Second Method

Had to cope with a sneering

Still works for this boss tho

[lavish lark]

it doesn't even proc with ballistas no?

it's extra attacks.. so it shouldnt

[unkempt arrow]

They fall under extras I believe

I know they are unique 100%

Extra I’m confident but not 100%

[molten raft]

its extra

kinda in pull regret atm

got kayron e3 and no khalipe/mei lin

[hasty hearth]

Like… no notice randomly boomed?

[lavish lark]

just get khalipe from the default banner selector

[molten raft]

apparently a few people all sold their accs mid GvG

and recruiting was already hard

we're still top30 I think

dedge game

but yeah, I'm still logging in daily but i'm not doing ethernet / ember trek cause it's just not fun any more

[molten raft]

been sat on that for a while

part of me just wants to all in on kayron at this point

[lavish lark]

Khalipe is very versatile.. and will carry ur chaos saves

[molten raft]

yea I haven't built magna up so I have tons of mats for vanguard

[hasty hearth]

Da hell lol I’m surprised people were actually buying accounts for that game tbh

[molten raft]

yeah they don't cost much nowadays

[hasty hearth]

Well welcome to an actually good game

[solemn yacht]

I'm worried about this game haha. I don't really understand how i'm supposed to spend money long term unless they start powercreaping like crazy lol

[hasty hearth]

Gooner skins we all know it’s gonna come

[solemn yacht]

hahaha. i did hear on reddit that the game isn't set up for skins (after all each character has pretty nice animations and the card close up, so its probably a ton of a work)

like its basically very difficult / the same amount of work as releasing a new character

[lavish lark]

surely the creators of Epic 7 won't work extra for skins

[hasty hearth]

Pretty much same for e7 tbh they just replace the model with one with the skin

As well as same thing for animation

Card outfit prob won’t be updated but kind of understandable for that

On paper it shouldn’t be difficult at all reuse animations on different model and that’s really all that’s needed

Unless they set it up as like an entire package like hard coded animation to the model then that’s a different story

[solemn yacht]

hopefully they make some nice skins haha I def would want to spend on some

[mellow bolt]

Ofc lol I gotta try it

[mellow bolt]

Was it tough with vero and yuki? lol I m almost done her potentials then I’ll try her

[mellow bolt]

How is the game? I can’t wait to get back and play it

My pilot has been playing it like 8 hours a day

When I take over I’m gonna know nothing about the game lol and worst part is, the new Tof is launching the same day

[hasty hearth]

I probably wouldn’t recommend 130 with her unless it’s jacked

Cuz it’s still hard as fuq

[charred citrus]

It was stressful and not fun. Run almost got bricked 5x, every fight I was scamming for hp and praying for crits lol 😂

Quadruple reorganize Mika saved me

Used all 20 sand as well… super sweaty

She’s way more fun farming diff 9 t14s.

[solemn yacht]

how much points is copying a normal card with a divine epihany? like 0+20?

[charred citrus]

1st one ya

[solemn yacht]

my first run of rin so far has been rediculously lucky hahah

guess i have to count points

[short tulip]

decent build for vero?

[solemn yacht]

remove the basics, tbh that forbidden isn't good with her since her average cost is so low

[charred citrus]

Pretty good. Useable just keep in mind giant ball is better for aoe than st like judas

[short tulip]

ye i have the piercing for judas

[charred citrus]

I like the enhanced but it’s a pref

I always aim for 0 cost repose and kowalskis but yea lev made some good pts too

[short tulip]

ye the only good one i hit was on piercing

been trying to get same but with giant

and its so hard

[lavish lark]

how the fk did u get 3 divine epi with -1 cost

[charred citrus]

Seasonal is annoying bc it’s hard to get 3 copies

[short tulip]

yea

so much rng

almost got 4 repose

but then wasnt on last boss

[charred citrus]

He copied one ☝️

[charred citrus]

Yea it’s lame

[short tulip]

ig time to go back the mines

[charred citrus]

Perhaps they realize some cards are too strong

[short tulip]

need a good save for mika

yesterday got this one for mei

so only mika left for now

[charred citrus]

Nice not bad

[short tulip]

[charred citrus]

All you rly need is the functional combo. The rest is icing but nice to have

[hasty hearth]

Nice

But fk Mei Lin

[solemn yacht]

dang i think i got basically theperfect rin build. I really regret not going for tier 13 instead of tier 12. i had to escape before neutral ephiphany

[rain rain]

me here nearly becoming crab with frothing rage cuz I'm less than 10k exp away from lv40 acc for 2nd time

basically having to close the game for now so I don't int my precious freebie stam refresh currency before I have legendary memory fragment access

[charred citrus]

That’s good. 👍 but this is 13 if 150. 14 is 160, 15 is 170etc

[solemn yacht]

yeah i meant 13+ nightmare

i was too conservative on my white currency to roll higher

[short tulip]

its so hard to get the right epiphanies and move on same run

[charred citrus]

Yea at least in season you can drop planets without bankrupting yourself tho

[mellow bolt]

Ok so after haru, Mei Lin, and renoa, the team that kills Judas the easiest and quickest is still my Hugo team lol

3 runs in a row, killed him in the same turn as he goes into phase 2

[charred citrus]

Hugo Tressa hard to beat. Combo starters are all outbreaks is chefs kiss

[mellow bolt]

Ya so I got a new build for it

2x Hugo initiate + 3 shadow reloads so I’m never out of followups

[simple stump]

love this card

[solemn yacht]

well that was easy haha

[mellow bolt]

And I have a small deck on all 3 characters with a lot of draw on Mika

[simple stump]

free 1k damage (on crit) every turn

65% crit chance kayron

[mellow bolt]

I was doing like 12k+ every single turn regardless of what I pull and not including any of the DoT from Agony

[charred citrus]

Double hugo initiation = 2 hunts per skill? So damn good lol

I just can’t go back to that acct. I’m gonna new character cycle until the game sucks

[solemn yacht]

okay rin is way more fun than tressa. big numbers go birr

[charred citrus]

Way more fun

Tressa is great at what she does tho. Her outbreak is prolly one of the strongest combos if not the strongest/most consistent

[rain rain]

I love when things like this all come together correctly

[simple stump]

damn Kayron item

[rain rain]

eh, it's kinda iffy

cuz it's 1 of any card in hand

and it happens pre-veronica ballistae launch too

[simple stump]

i made like 6 Cards almost every turn

kinda good IMO

[mellow bolt]

Ya it was game changing, that was the problem with the single initiate on Hugo before, the follow-ups kept running out

[rain rain]

it's good for kayron yes

not so good necessarily for the ppl he's with in team

cuz it can randomly eat their cards too

[simple stump]

ye i mean it just good item

[rain rain]

yeah not denying it has its uses

if it happened after vero ballistae that would have been super amazing for her too

sadly it's before so you can eat your ballistae for nothing gained

[charred citrus]

Should’ve done the same. Too busy playing mei and renoa ><

[rain rain]

not looking forward to seeing my 7.4m units go poof once I hit lv50/60 units

[charred citrus]

It’s not so bad now honestly.

[rain rain]

that's good

[charred citrus]

I’m already over 2milly w. 5x 60s

[rain rain]

still feel it would be semi-stretching myself too thin resource wise to start more units on this acc when I'm about to hit a resource drop point soon anyways

[charred citrus]

Not rolling zero diff 10 is huge honestly

[rain rain]

yeah, I'll bet

still, I'm playing a bit conservative with resources for now until I'm sure I'm not stretching them too thin

[charred citrus]

With 7.5m you’ll be fine

Just don’t raise partners to 60 thst aren’t 5*

Not worth at all stat wise

[rain rain]

ye

but I have zeta on khalipe already

[charred citrus]

Do that as luxury later

[rain rain]

part of why I'm being conservative

cuz I know I'll wanna up at min that + khalipe herself + rest of main team to 60 when I get there

[charred citrus]

You can raise your fav team to 60 and have leftover millions. You’ll be 👌

[rain rain]

[charred citrus]

Potentials and crap are annoying part

Take forever with no stam refresh

[rain rain]

not looking forward to that either

but not really worth dumping stam into those pre-40 much either I think compared to char exp

and/or upgrade mats

after I hit 40 I'll need to use my chaos 4/4 thingies to nab some decent memory fragments, then fill out what I'm missing with the freebie stam refreshes

sadly looking like that'll be another 1-2 days out at this point, given I'm like 9500 exp away rn

[charred citrus]

lol

You’re like eons behind

[simple stump]

men unlock zero level is painful

[rain rain]

single player game

don't care if I'm behind

[simple stump]

it didnt unlock until i beat last highest level

[rain rain]

I'm having fun and that's what matters

[charred citrus]

Yea it’s just so behind I can’t relate 😂

[rain rain]

fr, I knew I'd be super behind once I settled on acc(s)

[charred citrus]

I had frag sets when I was at your spot

[rain rain]

especially since not doing gem refreshes

[charred citrus]

And major potential nodes done for the most part

Bc of the shop refreshes

[rain rain]

oh I have blue ones on my chars

oh

lol

yeah I can't get gold ones from the memory frag sims yet

so not much point in farming those yet

[simple stump]

@rain rain u can grind my account

[solemn yacht]

yeah just farm potential till you turn 40 and can push zero

[simple stump]

[charred citrus]

You mean diff? Yea you gotta beat a 10 for ex to unlock 10

[rain rain]

nah I'm good, too lazy for that

[simple stump]

it too tandom to unlock diff, i beat 2 x7 to unlock 8

[rain rain]

having fun being a hyper casual ngl

[charred citrus]

It goes by lvl Toby

I think diff 10 starts around lvl 77ish planet

[rain rain]

it's like wake up, spend stam then dip for more than a couple hours

[simple stump]

it isnt go up unless i beat it

[charred citrus]

But yea sometimes you gotta grind it up

Yea but leases that’s free haha

[simple stump]

too much play time for it

[charred citrus]

Brick and you lose it. Spend 100k for new one

[simple stump]

i dont have that

[charred citrus]

Yea it’s def gaming time investment

[rain rain]

you can temp stop runs tho

[simple stump]

it ok i still have 5M golds

[rain rain]

don't hazve to do it all at once

just get to waypoint and temp leave

[charred citrus]

Ya i do it bit by bit sometimes

[simple stump]

i font even have 1 hours to do daily

if leave i cant do daily

[charred citrus]

Just do it while you shit only

1 chaos a week

[simple stump]

@rain rain just shutdown the game

[rain rain]

toilet gaming moment

[simple stump]

no need waypoint

[rain rain]

yeah you can do that too

[simple stump]

my hubby will ask me why im in there so long

then i will have really long night

i need sleep

[rain rain]

say you're constipated from looking at too much futility

it will be accurate and the truth cuz kayron

[simple stump]

@rain rain wanna coplay? my account have almost all chars

and have all meta chars

[rain rain]

I have my own acc

[simple stump]

i will buy u dinner with me

[charred citrus]

Be hubby#2

[rain rain]

no thanks, I don't need to be number 4 after ur irl hubby, kayron, and that old brick wall under the lake you keep putting on read

[simple stump]

my list keep getting longer

but it ok

[rain rain]

don't tell me you already forgot how much you neglected that wall

[simple stump]

i think you will be officially 16th

not 4th

[rain rain]

fair, but might as well just skip out on it entirely at that point

being 16th dinner date of the night makes me feel like I'd be dating a blimp

[simple stump]

nah it become a family dinner

[rain rain]

but I thought you said you buying me dinner

[simple stump]

old england style of dinner

[rain rain]

[simple stump]

I can invite and introduce you to my other hubby.

[rain rain]

family dates aren't my thing, thanks

[simple stump]

[rain rain]

[simple stump]

okay i can buy u dinner for just us

where salty i didnt see him anywhere lately

[lavish lark]

he is probably playing WWM

[simple stump]

i play that 10 mins then ran out of time

sad

[rain rain]

I wouldn't expect him to be itc anyways, given it's both a thread + single player game

[simple stump]

well made game

[simple stump]

isnt it have party

up to 5-6

[rain rain]

I meant this game, not wwm

itc = in this chat

[simple stump]

ohhh

no he said he like deck building game

he was in here

[hasty hearth]

Or be like moo and raise almost everyone

[mellow bolt]

This is only because I keep getting jebaited

And at the end of the day my Hugo team just does everything anyways

[charred citrus]

I like deck variety. I played a ton of hugo mei renoa. Wanna try other good ones

[rain rain]

I'm surprised I've lasted this long going with khalipe/tress/rei for that reason

tho perhaps being forced to not play due to not doing gem refreshes helps a bit 😂

[simple stump]

they need to add convert these into core shards

we have too much of these

[rain rain]

lol

feel like the fact both the green and blue memory fragments get dismantled into only the former is more of an issue

green is one thing, but blue should give some of both, and gold should give only the higher tier imo

that would solve the issue in one swoop, without changing much in the way of how they're sourced

[simple stump]

look at this combo @rain rain

55% bonus

[acoustic iron]

thats a alot of damage

[rain rain]

works well for tressa I'd think

not sure about kayron because you'd have to either manually exhaust them, or discard then exhaust them, no?

[rain rain]

so unless you have the card that converts futilities into actual attacks

[simple stump]

kayron futi have damage

[rain rain]

turn 1

yeah I know

but don't you need to use the upgrade for that to kick in?

[simple stump]

it init so...

i alway forced upgrade it

[rain rain]

like I know it's good, but it just seems a bit awkward because you have to keep track of when the 35% is active or not

because unless you're using the futilities back to back for continual exhausts, you'd have card turns where youd need to use smth then exhaust again, no?

[simple stump]

or do big damage summon 7 Futi use Kayron ego then use Black Hole

[rain rain]

to re-gain the buff

[simple stump]

ez 450x2

[rain rain]

fair I guess

but I would think that relying on ego always not 100% a good idea

[simple stump]

that is 3000% damage right there

[rain rain]

not saying it's bad by any stretch

only that it's more to keep track of in terms of when or not a buff is active

[simple stump]

ego point ez to get

i dont think it is a bad idea

[rain rain]

not saying it is, only that to me, arbitrarily having to keep track of 1 more thing might get annoying at times

[simple stump]

ohh

i mean my combo usually do big damage after exhaust futi

[rain rain]

then all the power to you

[simple stump]

it just my play style fit with that combo

[rain rain]

for me since I'm playing on emulator the buff icons are tiny so sometimes having to keep track of all of those can be headache inducing

[simple stump]

my aoe deck

my ST deck

[rain rain]

nice

[simple stump]

i forgot my god AOE deck

it alway cost 0 at turn 4

[hasty hearth]

That ain’t machine gun kayron tho

Very disappointed

[rain rain]

I'm just gonna go sleep I think, get more exp toward lv40 in the morning

[simple stump]

i mean i can do 3 black hole

[rain rain]

[hasty hearth]

Sorry no I need him to do 4 extra attacks every time he uses futility

[simple stump]

4 extra attack ?

u mean using this ?

[hasty hearth]

No

U can turn I think it was black hole

He does extra attacks every every time he exhausts futility

Then just make copies of that

And then he just machine gunning

Is it good? Not really

But it’s funny

[simple stump]

u mean this

[hasty hearth]

Ye

[simple stump]

for damage it isnt good IMO.

[hasty hearth]

Yeah I already said not very good

But it’s funny

[simple stump]

i love this upgrade more

[hasty hearth]

He just machine gunning

[simple stump]

it become 2nd ultimate

how many level do we have rn

grind these took so long

[hasty hearth]

Zero system? 10 but technically can keep scaling if u beat it over and over

Seasonal one 11

[simple stump]

ye zero

i stop playing S1 it made for yuki too much

[hasty hearth]

U can get good builds in new one with other characters

[simple stump]

it stop being fun when it all yuki decks

[simple stump]

i didnt build them yet

[hasty hearth]

I think new one really good for supports

[simple stump]

wait i dont think we can keep save data season 1 right

[hasty hearth]

Heck dps too but gear choices are def not ideal for some

[hasty hearth]

Yes we do

[simple stump]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1172581029068935249.png?size=160&name=ramosHmmByTyrion

oh

i just found this exist

[mellow bolt]

What are you guys using to farm bis decks without putting too much risk on failing a run?

I m wondering if chaos zero lvl 9 gives max tier gear

[solemn yacht]

They are both multiplicative so its 1.35*1.2 which is a 62% bonus

[solemn yacht]

it will be added to one of the later seasonal shops

[solemn yacht]

yeah it gives max tier gear, but tbh the tier of gear doesn't make much difference. Seaonsal is better than chaos zero for farming for most characters since 1) more save data available, 2) easier to get mythical weapons (assuming you are okay using seasonal mythical) 3) access to forbideen cards 4) zero cost of restarting your run

[mellow bolt]

Only thing about seasonal chaos that annoys me is that the duplicate event is pretty rare and if you get it, you can’t select from the entire pool

Other than that, ya the seasonal is better for sure

I like the difficulty with the lvl 80 monsters, it’s so easy

[hasty hearth]

I do 8’s nice and chill because the bosses don’t get the rare mob gimmicks

Gives max lvl gear and u can get tier 12+ pretty easily

So it’s most chill while maximizing gains

[hasty hearth]

Debating if I want to farm some of my… lesser played characters

[hasty hearth]

Man every time I use magna feels so ass

Which sucks cuz she was so fun in beta

[supple wasp]

which difficulty do you farm

[hasty hearth]

That one is 8

Most chill and still get 12+ save data + max lvl gear

[supple wasp]

ay meta changes

r still poison team

[hasty hearth]

Don’t think Tressa will ever not be good unless boss has agony immunity

[mellow bolt]

8s in the event or zero?

[mellow bolt]

For me I’ve been only doing chaos in the event since it came out but I’ve had pretty much no upgrades since I can never get the duplicate event from that lol

So I’m probably gonna go back to farming chaos zero

[hasty hearth]

Event

[hasty hearth]

True but depends if they gonna release any content where we can use ANY save data and not just whatever season it’s on

[mellow bolt]

Hmm true, I just did a chaos zero and it feels kind of bad without all the cool seasonal cards and gear

[hasty hearth]

wtf

I legit just did a Mei Lin run where got all her cards but literally 0 epiphanies on all of them

??????

Like wtf?? 0 epiphanies

[shut talon]

https://x.com/JPT_Struggles/status/1986915863652597912?s=19

💢 JPT says 何? 💢 (@JPT_Struggles)

X · Nov 7, 2025, 9:57 PM

[hollow ledge]

holyyyy back to back

[unkempt arrow]

U can if u get the rare version of the event

The rare variation is:

1. Choose Chimarinite
2. Select one card for Nil epiphany
3. Copy 1 Selected card for 2 Schizophrenia

[unkempt arrow]

This was my Tressa run and I’m tired of not getting the cards I want so f the runs

Ima just keep backing out until I see the combo

[worthy raft]

Seasonal chaos?

[lyric osprey]

I've been doing that

[unkempt arrow]

Yeah

I copied it

And got Nil on the next one

Both were trash

[mellow bolt]

Once we get epi reroll it’ll change the game

Next week

[unkempt arrow]

Ikr

I’m so hyped

[unkempt arrow]

10th run in a row where this happened

[lavish lark]

inbefore 1 epi reroll costs like 12 sands

so u can only do it once a day

[unkempt arrow]

@hasty hearth dang apparently the 4 cost +35% cdmg set on 1 cost cards doesn’t work on dirge bullets

[drifting flame]

Who designed this shitty gear system

222 sets literally BiS for almost everyone

[faint onyx]

PLEAASSSEEE

WHY CAN I NEVER GET THE HEALING ONE

LIKE WHYYYYY

This is the 3rd run

I’m gonna crash out

[unkempt arrow]

We keep getting trash

[faint onyx]

It’s so bullshit man

[hollow ledge]

epiphany reroll is next week??

[hollow ledge]

wait so that divine's effect goes into the original heal value?

oh wow it does

[unkempt arrow]

Yup yup

[hollow ledge]

so a 90% heal bonus assuming you use 3 AP without the gem

[granite hull]

More administrative index

[charred citrus]

Diff 8/9 tier 13s seems to be the sweet spot to reroll without spending much. 10 and 11 specifically has this huge spike in difficulty, not sure if it mob defense scaling or what but dmg falls off noticeably.

[charred citrus]

Hey they buffed the elemental sets. Thats a start lol

Now they have to remove the conditionals ><

[drifting flame]

[faint onyx]

10 kicks my ass

[charred citrus]

Ya it starts getting challenging at 10

[faint onyx]

Yeah I found 8 is good for farming

[charred citrus]

11 you end up making every decision towards finishing the run so it’s not ideal. Felt like I was getting less random epi/gear as well

[faint onyx]

At Diff 10,the elite hits for like 1K

At inner floor

I barely survive and then I have to fight bosszzzz

The dude with 4 arms, did 250 per hit

😭

[rain rain]

whooo managed to find enough freebie xp to hit 40 just now

[charred citrus]

Fate rng is huge as well. Some of the fates are giga busted

[faint onyx]

Fate?

[rain rain]

fates are the cards you get to pick from at exterior and interior start points

afaik anyways

that give buffs/effects to the run

hmm, orlea from the 2 freebie standard multis due to hitting lv40

[faint onyx]

Ohhh

Which ones do you like picking

Or what’s good

[hasty hearth]

⚰️

So ur telling me

Well guess still fine

[hallow trout]

how long it take to farm lv30 on all worlds @hasty hearth

[hasty hearth]

Not that long…?

[hallow trout]

ok guess thats my next project

[hasty hearth]

I mean

[rain rain]

of the base variants for interior (the event added new ones, haven't seen all of those yet so can't really comment much there) the Envy card is by far and away the best for dps output imo, cuz it's free +1 morale per ap used in a turn; even with the reset of that buff every turn it's amazing. Some of the others are good too depending on which team comp you're running, like the basic attack +1 hit can be great with mei lin, but less so with others etc etc

[hasty hearth]

Guess depends on ur current progress