CZN gooner gang godz only

[lavish lark]

yeah.. I had to grab wanderer from the last shop tho.. too good to pass on Mika

could have been worse.. at least whirlpool is usable

I've seen a 220 faint memory Kayron... I guess it's from the bugged chapter 5 chaos

[dire gyro]

is the 4pc order set just bad? like the other sets seem to give so much more unconditionally

[hasty hearth]

it's not bad but yes if ur saying for yuki u would much rather use 4 piece crit damage on 1 cost

[dire gyro]

yeah i thought so

i was thinking even going 3x 2set was better than using the order set

[hallow trout]

man yuki really struggles on s1 chaos

and mine like giga built

[acoustic iron]

this is so good lol

[still sedge]

summarize well yuki

[echo nymph]

[hallow trout]

pretty much yep LOL

[charred citrus]

Who ya using her with?

Try vero mika.

[charred citrus]

https://youtu.be/KY1RKA4k0x0?t=8993

Saw this earlier

[runic jewel]

@hasty hearth 7 more days for star savior

[lavish lark]

huh?

[hasty hearth]

it's releasing jp/kr

[lavish lark]

actual release?

[hasty hearth]

yeah

[lavish lark]

hopefully we dont have to wait 4 years like uma

[hasty hearth]

id assume like 1 year ish give or take

but they are small indie studio so who knows

[lavish lark]

game literally solved for 4 years

[hasty hearth]

honestly glad not releasing in global

they need to fix a LOT of things in terms of balancing

[lavish lark]

we'll see

[hallow trout]

i see why lin not playing WWM now

to much whale bait there

[manic knot]

isn't it all cosmetics

other than like bp nothing gives you power

[hallow trout]

ye but the whale bait is massive bait

they got a $40k boat cosmetic

[manic knot]

honestly i have my doubts eden can be competitive in a non p2w game most people have jobs 8 to 5 they gonna get destroyed by f2p

[hallow trout]

im just waiting to see how many ppl actually swipe for the boat

im dodging wwm myself cause like u said no time or attention span for it for me

@hasty hearth quarter of your c-suite salary for this boat

https://www.reddit.com/r/wherewindsmeet_/comments/1ojax09/is_this_ship_really_40000/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[hasty hearth]

u said this is 40k?

[hallow trout]

yep $40k usd if you purely gacha for it

[hasty hearth]

da fuq

[hallow trout]

u could farm for it to ofc, but gl

[hasty hearth]

"farm for it"

nice meme

[hallow trout]

apparently there are 120 individual drops you'd need and the blueprint of the ship itself

the benefits tho

@half mica you gonna buy the yacht right?

[runic jewel]

Inflation is real I can buy a real boat cheaper then that

[hasty hearth]

truly flexing whale convenience

@manic knot get on that

[manic knot]

i'm good on that

i spent more on drop boosters than cosmetics in dna

[hallow trout]

i mean toh could farm for it and pretend to be a galaxy whale

[manic knot]

yea "farm for it"

[hallow trout]

i wonder how long it would take an actual f2p to get this boat

[manic knot]

see you in like 5 years when first f2p farms it

[hallow trout]

i thought odin mythical costumes would be the biggest whale bait

think this bot is legit double the cost

[hasty hearth]

still better than star citizen i guess

[hallow trout]

ye this the cn star citizen for the cn tycoons fr

[charred citrus]

40k gacha for boat pieces is some downbad shiit

[acoustic iron]

bro globby is gonna buy everything

no wonder he was excited for it

[charred citrus]

Smh

[hasty hearth]

holy shit mei lin is so bad in this new chaos

[hallow trout]

why?

[hasty hearth]

well one the copy event isn't guaranteed so its gonna be giga pain

move and draw are not the same so the weapons from this actually fkin suck for her

[charred citrus]

Yea don’t use her lol

[hasty field]

https://tenor.com/view/sky-striker-raye-master-duel-yugioh-1girl-blonde-gif-15970066289156319915

https://tenor.com/view/sky-striker-raye-yu-gi-oh-gif-16980983581660796958

[hasty hearth]

also

wolves bane's spine

also giga bait

probably more so than the heal on crit just as bad

[charred citrus]

Heal on any crit would be cool (allies)

[hasty hearth]

this king crab aint no joke at high danger level

@mellow bolt this crab do be hard

[jaunty orchid]

game worth playing

im late af but im kinda free game-wise

[hasty hearth]

if u are asking then yeah game is really fun but i guess depends if fomo gets to u or not idk how good starting now is since lot of launch stuff went away

@rain rain has a better idea on how it is for that

[jaunty orchid]

yea ik im late af and launch freeby prob gone lol

[hallow trout]

at least haru in standard so no limited units u missed

[rain rain]

there's still about 4 multis worth of pulls in the rr

but that's essentially half of what it was a couple days ago

whether this is a good banner to rr on tho kinda debatable however

cuz yuki in her current form kinda mid apart from looks

[worn mortar]

Are ppl still cashing in this game

[hasty hearth]

yes maam

[hasty hearth]

its fked up that the seasonal chaos goes up to lvl 80 and it has legendary affixes, but we dont get the bonuses like in zero system

[rain rain]

I mean

least you have it unlocked, be happy

[hasty hearth]

honestly i have no idea what they were thinking with king crab

feel like people gonna have to farm dozens upon dozens for perfect vero/mei lin which sounds like hell

running mei lin in this new chaos already bad enough

[solemn yacht]

At least new chaos hands you purple gear quite easily

Dunno how hard it is going to be to get both 40% basic rare accessory and 40% zero equips for mei lin. I've seen them both offered at the end. but not sure if i can pick it up midway

[drifting flame]

I’m still lvl 0

[simple stump]

@mellow bolt found the meaning

i think

damage amount mean flat bonus on cards

[solemn yacht]

multiplicative vs additive is widely inconsistent in english translation

[simple stump]

sometime it just said damage

[solemn yacht]

best to look at cn resources that look at KR and translate it

[simple stump]

sometime it said damage amount

it weird af

[solemn yacht]

its just bad translation

[rain rain]

that's basically a damage reduction stack

but ye bad translation

so its a "you take 20% less dmg for 1 turn"

[simple stump]

no i have -20% damage

not take less damage

=))))))))))

[rain rain]

you sure that's not from morale loss or smth else

[simple stump]

digits color red and no debuff so

[rain rain]

but you haven't used the card, no?

so how would that work

[simple stump]

i used the card

my other atk card red after

[rain rain]

oh

[solemn yacht]

its the cost of basically doing 300% damage instead of 100% damage multiplier. Its a bad ephinay but it makes sense

[rain rain]

kinda a useless epi then

cuz rei don't do dmg in the first place due to controller partners not buffing atk much..

[simple stump]

cost 1 and deal 340% isnt that bad

u just get debuff -20% after

[rain rain]

I mean

[simple stump]

just use it last

[rain rain]

it's okay if you use it last, but since she doesn't do dmg anyways I'd rather use the morale boosting version instead

[simple stump]

almost 400

[rain rain]

I mean that's fine

but she doesn't do dmg anyways

[simple stump]

she heal tho

[rain rain]

which scales off def, not attack...

hence my point

[simple stump]

i still dunno where her heal coming from

[rain rain]

if it's the one per turn based off attack moves, that's coming from e2

[rain rain]

that gives 120% heal 1x per turn when rei uses an attack move

[simple stump]

ohhhhhh

lmao

i tho she have it by default

[rain rain]

she almost does, just need 1 dupe thanks to the freebie

[simple stump]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1172581029068935249.png?size=160&name=ramosHmmByTyrion

i need 70% crit

[still sedge]

50% crit is enough most of the time

[mellow bolt]

I can’t even get a decent build in that chaos to even start trying the crab

And the internet on the plane is so fkin slow lol

[acoustic iron]

I joined the renoa club

[hasty hearth]

what the thought u said u werent cuz of rin

[acoustic iron]

I have both 60 now

[hasty hearth]

or was that someone else

[acoustic iron]

need someone new to build now

rin maxed to the limit already

plus I mean

I have so many extra attack subs on my gears

makes sense

😅

besides isn't renoa basically aoe

[rain rain]

basically only if you mean so many ST extra attacks she might as well be aoe

[plain breach]

I feels like small dogs are a easier to kill now

[rain rain]

they are, the dog dude got nerfed

[plain breach]

good

[acoustic iron]

You guys thing ego recovery on one gear on renoa is fine?

thinking of spamming akad for the crit when the bullets are ready

[rain rain]

if you mean main stat ehhh probably not worth it

probably better to just run that sort of thing on the controller in the team, like rei or whatever

if it's a substat I'd consider it fine tho

especially because you can only use a given ego skill 1x per battle

unless you're running multiple of same partner anyways

[simple stump]

god tier card

[plain breach]

is that 40 points?

[mystic mural]

it should just be 20, epiphany on character cards cost 0 and 20 from the divine epiph

[plain breach]

and we can get one dupe for free right?

[granite stump]

thats a lie because i tried nia and she is absolut garbage

[meager junco]

Yea yuki needs a dmg buffer

I saw a video where someone used orlea with her, she was dealing very good dmg

We Lack dmg Buffers so badly

Only orlea and rin currently

Cassius is good with her tho

Especially the card that let's u discard ur whole Hand and pull 5 New ones

If you can manage to get most of yukis card to 0 cost that's a shit load of free dmg

Especially with her own upgrade card for 130% St dmg, let's her even nuke Single bosses

Need to build mine up as soon as possible

[granite stump]

yuki needs fcking more dmg

my current yuki deck

and she still gets outdmged by giant ballista

her stats

[bold marlin]

Omg I am so dumb. Void set is actually good on Tressa.

[granite stump]

yeah because you exhaust the daggers

[bold marlin]

So retarded fml.

[meager junco]

The Video i saw, she did almost 8000 dmg in a single Turn

https://youtu.be/fDnyUaw7d5Q?si=hiOabWZLMG_Up5Sn

[granite stump]

https://kizer2736-cyber.github.io/ChaosZeroNightmareSaveDataSize/

first off

deck calc

[meager junco]

Lvl 50,no sig

[granite stump]

then i watch the vid

[granite stump]

thats actually crazy
i have a feeling that we might not fully understand how yuki works rn
on the other hand i think she might needs one of the other chars we gonna get in 3 weeks to snowball off easier like other chars

but yeah its vulnurable +4 and dmg increase from orlea which makes these big big numbers so i think you could do the same with giant ballista and very

maybe even more with kowalski

also its order weakness content so numbers are higher then in chaos

[granite stump]

yeah vero giant ballista is insane

[meager junco]

[lyric osprey]

Totaly not also because she has a buff in the dimensional twilight

I do better with my current unit without it

[granite stump]

DT 10 with her
Video from a friend
Turn2 was unlucky draw but yeah that's her power and it's still idk bit underwhelming

@meager junco

ATK and crit set

No scarab

[unkempt arrow]

Bro needed 4 morale

To do 1k aoe

Buffed the cards out the ass

Hey he made her look way better compared to those other guys

[meager junco]

4k aoe dmg at the end is pretty good idk

I mean we cant compare to Mei lin or the broken ones

Sure she's not op or broken and hopefully they will buff her but she wint trash

Imho, they should remove the - 20% debuff and give a higher base % multipler.

[solemn yacht]

I got an ridiculous Mika

Was possible by one meat removal, 3 regular removals, and escaping before whirlpool

[worthy raft]

160points ….. tier13 on nightmare ?

[solemn yacht]

Yep. Basically t8 seasonal chaos nightmare. I think 170 points is possible if you take hard modifiers

[worthy raft]

I have yet to start doing seasonal .. will get to it today, but the new seasonal chaos looks like a friggin pain and for basin etc builds its just straight up better to do chaos zero runs

[unkempt arrow]

Of course they would start out all attacking

When I have my hp cut by 40%

And can’t heal at safe zones

This is my ego rec vero too can’t one shot immediately

[hasty hearth]

u kidding me

.7% crit chance off for renoa 60%

[lavish lark]

so the conversion was actually 0 points?

cause removing 3 basics is 100 points, and 3x20 cards

the conversion is not accounted at all there

[unkempt arrow]

They released a goated unit like Haru

Had to make the next one kinda ass it’s only fair

WG been trynna get her to work for almost 2 days now

Even he saying she’s ass

[bold marlin]

man building decks for meilin/vero is a doozy

[acoustic iron]

yeah and hes famous for saying everyone can work

[granite stump]

That's exactly what he trying to proof

That she needs tons of investment for shit other units do for free

looking at giant ballista

[unkempt arrow]

Real

[granite stump]

Rat gang

We on top

[acoustic iron]

I still dont understand how that works since I have a rin deck with 170 and I never got to tier 10 on zero system my highest was 6-7

this is before Yuki released

[lavish lark]

might have been from difficulty 5 when it was bugged

I've seen 220 points deck

[acoustic iron]

nope I didnt get that during the bug

it was quite a few days after the fix

[lavish lark]

then you found another bug.. cause it's not possible

[acoustic iron]

whatt the hell

like im an extremely lazy player I barely do chaos

[lavish lark]

170 points is tier 13 ( max ) with 3 mods

[acoustic iron]

yeah idk

why cant they just make a simpler system

[solemn yacht]

Personally I think the faint memory system is new. Ie it operated under a different system so some decks are able to exceed

[acoustic iron]

could be yeah

thought about that too

[hasty hearth]

Hey I’ll have u know 7/9 king crab with yuki okay

Should farm for Mei Lin but Mei Lin chaos makes me sick

[acoustic iron]

isn't she good at chaos she keeps basics?

[lavish lark]

so this dimensional tunnel thing.. is it just extra combats ?

or is there something else to it

[granite stump]

You can trigger an event from it that gives you 3 rewards like the 3 chest special room

[hasty hearth]

Absolute dog tier

Needs them epiphanies asap

[lavish lark]

but I'm guessing u have to do it in both floors?

[hasty hearth]

Sort of. It is combat but essentially u come out somewhere random 3 points ahead~

[hasty hearth]

No random

I’ve gotten the end reward event on one floor and not the other

Sometimes in neither floor

It’s actually terrible

[lavish lark]

didn't get shit on the first floor.. lets see if i can clear the second one

yep.. did it twice.. got nothing

[charred citrus]

It’s random ya. Skip if you don’t want risk

[lavish lark]

my avg luck

[charred citrus]

Working on a strong save etc

[lyric osprey]

Not 9/9 trash sorry

[lyric osprey]

I tried earlier I was getting ill everytime I was getting the wrong epi I was FF the run

Because what the point she has 2 viable option every time

I never get them

[plush sandal]

my best vero so far

[lavish lark]

wait.. how the fk is that only 80 points

should be at least 100

110 if we are technical

[acoustic iron]

this game makes no sense

thats what i learned to understand

[lyric osprey]

My seasonal Vero for the boss

I'm so close to clearing 9/9 but my Kayron slacking

[plush sandal]

idk about faint point

getting 4 repose + kowalski 0 ap makes me happy

[lyric osprey]

Unfortunate you can't use it in any of the seasonal stuff

[plush sandal]

i'll farm after hit lvl 50

tier 5 chaos meh

[mystic mural]

If the basics were converted before being removed it lands on 80

Because a converted basic costs less to remove than just removing a basic

[lavish lark]

so u are saying converting a starting and then removing is half the cost

[mystic mural]

Yeah. Conversion doesn't count as removal and there isn't a penalty for removing neutral cards.

[hollow ledge]

So if you get early conversion from the kyrken meet up at the start of a run, take it

it can be pretty gamba if you have mei lin in your roster though

[meager junco]

which one is for potentials again

middle?

[drifting flame]

wat r potentials

[meager junco]

the traces

like in HSR

lol

[drifting flame]

wat is hsr

[meager junco]

neither of these are potential discs

sadge

gonna take unit exp

[drifting flame]

[lavish lark]

has anyone figured wtf frothing rage is for?

cause I don't see a difference when it does

[meager junco]

oh did they finally fix the missing crit rate?

cuz her 60 pot thing didnt apply it

jup getting more atk will give more crit 😄 finally fixed

[rain rain]

nice

[meager junco]

road to 100% crit rate xd

[rain rain]

one more rei dupe on my khalipe acc then she e6

[lyric osprey]

[lavish lark]

they just want us to abuse some broken combos

[still sedge]

at this point you need the 100k dmg mei lin combo for some of these bosses

[lavish lark]

yeah and u gotta build it again cause.. season

[lyric osprey]

Just needed another try

[hollow ledge]

shaping up well so far. everyone before haru is uncapped to 60

[lavish lark]

tressa mika and who?

[lyric osprey]

Veronica

Somehow I lost a devine epi..I should've kept it i was right at 180

It was a draw one too. This game trolled me

[lavish lark]

what tier were u doing

[lyric osprey]

15

[lavish lark]

15 is 170 max points

[lyric osprey]

Dang I shouldn't have picked up rally I scammed myself

Give us tier 16 thanks

[simple stump]

who said she deal no damage

[lavish lark]

yeah what is that.. a 400 hit? k

[acoustic iron]

kek

its fun to consider rei with actual crit in the future tho

[simple stump]

14xx

u guys deal no damage cuz you guys didnt gear her...

[rain rain]

I mean gearing her with attack buffing gear is kinda a waste

cuz ok you did 14xx dmg with 1 card.....even veronica does more every dang turn with her ballistae

[still sedge]

yep

she isnt a must pull unit, just another unit that perform on par or lower than the ones we have atm

[lavish lark]

an SR unit with no rate up will never be a must pull

u either get it or u don't

[rain rain]

when ppl get confused we're talking about yuki when we're really talking about rei, you know yuki's dps is bad

[strong storm]

Is there a guide

[meager junco]

watch WG: CZN videos

[lavish lark]

who dat

[meager junco]

https://www.youtube.com/@WG_CZN

extremely knowledgeable ytber about CZN

[simple stump]

her only use is buffing my kayron Cards

[rain rain]

well she's dang good at that job

[simple stump]

she have good exhaust feature and buff 1 cost cards

I haven't done in-depth learning yet.

does other char def reflect whome team

i want to build mika

do i build atk hp or just hp

[lavish lark]

u mostly only wanna remove cards on her

her basic atk, whirlpool and deluge

also remove whirlpool be4 it gets epiphany.. saves u 10 points

and then get Rally or Wanderer on her for neutrals

@meager junco WG thinks removing a special card also costs 20 points

[meager junco]

idk maybe he does, but if thats all that is wrong... XD

[charred citrus]

I tried her as sub dps. Hp Def atk set with hp crit chance neck. Mainly bc you’re using her cards as filler or for the morale 4 buff. Lil healing doesn’t hurt either

You could optimize further but it def works without nerfing your hp/def in chaos this way

[charred citrus]

It’s aight man. Happens to everyone lol. I miscalc’d a forbidden run on yuki earlier and got slaughtered

[bold marlin]

I think you’d wanna build her hp, the set that gives extra basic healing, and maybe defense

[charred citrus]

Wait. You haven’t built mika?

[rain rain]

well, she's basically usable without hard building her

[charred citrus]

Did you push to diff 10 without her? Gigachad?

[rain rain]

so it's kinda understandable?

[simple stump]

orlea and tressa beat everything so....

free shadow dagger

[charred citrus]

Ahhh orlea

[charred citrus]

Well pre-40 yea. But zero system you need either her or orl

[charred citrus]

Full support = scarab/def/hp

Not sure what you goin for tho since we were talking about sub dps rei earlier

[granite stump]

Failed to get -2 on the aoe

[charred citrus]

-1 is ok 👌

I don’t aim for 2 bc I use cdam set on her

[granite stump]

Also after testing the 130% random DPS is way more worth running then the 60% to all enemies

Especially when you combine her with giant ballista vero

[charred citrus]

Agree

Always pick the most dam from that upgrade

My man. I only ran her with vero so far.

[granite stump]

I'm still trying to get a solid draw + giant ballista vero for the season

[charred citrus]

I’m just aiming for 3x triple repose enhanced or giant ball

[granite stump]

This is my off season vero

[charred citrus]

Hard to get it copied. I got a save with 2 copies

I’ve been using this so far bc it just autos so well with vero

Was from an early diff too can’t get better yet

Auto pulls off 8-10k in sims

[granite stump]

I still think they need to buff her DMG numbers a bit

[lavish lark]

2 vulnerable RNG on Aoe is crazy

[charred citrus]

Almost 200% cdam on 1cost

🤷

[charred citrus]

I’ll take a buff. I think most of the ppl rioting are e0 crap stat Andy’s tho

Or maybe vero-less? She kinda fills in her weakness in chaos well

[granite stump]

Vero giant ballista didn't have any problems in chaos

[charred citrus]

Yea runs are always feelin good if you have enhanced or giant

[rain rain]

I'm still having fun nuking stuff in the midgame with tressa + khalipe

[charred citrus]

Usually takes a week of zero grind then I get bored

Gotta find a new team then

You end up getting to 35 yet?

[rain rain]

yeah

not 40 yet tho

[charred citrus]

Nice 👍 no more complaining then haha

[rain rain]

well I only have exactly 1 chaos I can do in event (and it's too easy to clear rn)

so I'm more afraid of getting bored

[charred citrus]

Yea the 2nd acct thing gave me 3 new teams so it kept it alive

[rain rain]

the team itself I'm playing with is great fun

but there's no challenge atm

so hopefully acc lv40 will change that

[charred citrus]

Push on main

Your main is 50?

[rain rain]

main is mid-40s

not refreshing

[charred citrus]

Gotcha so slow going

[rain rain]

yea

but since not refreshing I can take a lot of breaks too

[charred citrus]

Yea I only did cheap refreshes and hit 50 like a week behind moo miracle

Takes awhile

[rain rain]

having more fun with the khalipe alt ngl, cuz it's silly fun watching the tressa -> khalipe nukes out the wazoo

[charred citrus]

Happens. I got bored of Haru khal so got 2nd acct: hugo mei renoa

[rain rain]

tressa vital hit with the 2nd trigger is really nice ST dmg, then khalipe comes in with many aoe followups to mop up mobs

[charred citrus]

Vital being the only Tressa trigger sucks tho no?

[rain rain]

nah

[charred citrus]

I guess you can use khal cards

[lavish lark]

I've done 3 runs with Vero.. didn't get epiphany on her ballista once

[rain rain]

I dupe vital 1x since there isn't much need for other stuff

basically dupe cursed gouge 1x, vital 1x, then curse 1x

so ideally I'd have 2 copies of vital for this build

kinda running whatever rn tho since there's not really much point in farming shit pre-40 when I'm already on easy mode with this team

[charred citrus]

Nah wait til zero yea

And craft crit necks

[rain rain]

yea

[charred citrus]

Khal becomes a raid boss with full gear

[rain rain]

she already is kinda for me

cuz backed by zeta + rei buffs

I did a silly build thingie that was sorta a meme but actually turned out interesting

basically since I have a vulture x3 in the same build as this, I have the choice of using this as a 1-cost for stupidly high dmg without procing vulture OR procing vulture with another card from tressa or khal then following up with this as a 0 cost if shit still alive

[charred citrus]

Kinda nifty

[rain rain]

it's actually be kinda interesting to play around with, since I have plenty of 2-cost sources to use

and it's really easy to get vulture into hand too with zeta ego skill + khal ego skill costs totaling out to 7

[charred citrus]

Yea zeta got nerfed and still one of the best partners in general

[rain rain]

so full bar, I can in theory start with vulture in hand, use rally to draw 2nd, zeta to draw 3rd, khal ego to create 4th then nuke

[charred citrus]

Like nyx. Nerfed but in a class of its own

[rain rain]

and tressa vital does kinda silly high dmg for very little gear

she's already doing over like 900 dmg total from 1 use with no crit, no weakness bonuses, and no rei buffs

and she's only lv40

[charred citrus]

Dmg is kinda relative

[lavish lark]

I feel like vital is for the +50% agony dmg.. that 50% almost feels like double dmg

[rain rain]

nah

you want the 2nd proc imo

at least for this comp

[charred citrus]

She’ll be doing less in diff 10 vs higher defense but yea she 💪

[lavish lark]

2nd proc is just burst.. but if u have a lot of shadow daggers.. agony dmg goes bonkers

[rain rain]

well yeah obvs

but stuff is still dying too fast to my current comp for her to build up that many stacks

cuz that vital hit often followed up by multiple khal vultures

oftentimes agony doesn't even proc for me rn despite having a handful of stacks due to stuff dying too fast

[charred citrus]

Think Ros uses the +50% agony dmg on his Juda’s slayer Tressa ya

[rain rain]

I'm sure that'll change tho

yeah I'm sure it works wonders

but rn I prefer the 2nd trigger

[charred citrus]

Strong but that’s sim stuff

If you like the combo in chaos. Enjoy it

[rain rain]

mostly because if you kill a target with 1st trigger, 2nd trigger auto targets smth else if applicable

so I can nuke a mob + still get dmg on the boss, then followup with khal

[lavish lark]

2nd trigger doesn't even dent Judas

meanwhile agony dmg will destroy him

[rain rain]

well yes, I know that much

but I'm not playing that mode rn, since I don't have have judas unlocked on the acc I'm playing on yet

I know the agony dmg buff is insane at higher tier play

but I don't need it yet so I'm just enjoying the silliness

while I still can

[charred citrus]

@lavish lark

l2vero xd

[lavish lark]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1062131454248763484/1234265554710171698/image0.gif

u picking shelling right?

[charred citrus]

Course not. Don’t be an idiot lol

🧐 Fkin kayron cost on right

[solemn yacht]

Right is actually really good

[charred citrus]

-1 per card or -1 per ability?

[solemn yacht]

since the cost decrease lasts the entire fight, and it doesn't need to be in hand

and there is a card that draws 1 + pulls a forbidden card. if you get it

its easy to get the right one over and over for 0 cost every turn

left also is really good too

[charred citrus]

Aight I’ll try it

[solemn yacht]

of course this assumes you have good drawers like veronica

[charred citrus]

Yea I’m a vero Mika chaos guy

[solemn yacht]

i think i'm going to try to get left into a tressa build or something, maybe even my mei lin haha

[charred citrus]

Debating bc tunnel was early

Tx @solemn yacht

[solemn yacht]

np haha. yeah at first when i was watching the preview video i was like forbidden cards kindof suck. but then again playing a bit with them i realize some of them are really powerful and fun

[acoustic iron]

this chaos is way easier than zero system

idk why ive seen people say its too hard

[solemn yacht]

I think ifyou use mei lin its easier. i haven't tried other chars

[acoustic iron]

no mei lin just rin gaming

[charred citrus]

Yea dunno. I ran it straight to diff 8 with yuki no fails

[solemn yacht]

Hard to tell for me. I did a 60 update right as patched dropped and stopped trying to chaos Tressa hahah

[charred citrus]

you at diff 8? Tried tier 13 yet?

Doing my first 13 lab rn

[solemn yacht]

the new lab is made for yuki. i think the problem is the hp is really high. and the main source of scaling damage is the new equips.

so if your main dps doesn't synergize with the new equips it becomes pretty hard

[charred citrus]

Yes just stat sticks

I bet it’s doable tho with renoa mei etc just a bit harder

[lavish lark]

anyone knows what the first stat is? is it just more dmg to mobs weak to justice?

[acoustic iron]

does anyone have the total mats required to max a character?

i wanna know how many days im stuck in potential mines

[charred citrus]

There’s a pic on Reddit somewhere

[acoustic iron]

bery creates expose weakness with one of her cards iirc

[acoustic iron]

oke ill look

[lavish lark]

but it's not called expose weakness no?

[acoustic iron]

prob another translation thing

[lavish lark]

is it opening shot ?

[acoustic iron]

yeah prob

[charred citrus]

@acoustic iron https://www.reddit.com/r/ChaosZeroNightmare/s/Shovhv33w8

[faint onyx]

All of Yuki power is in her boobs

She sucks ass

[lavish lark]

more like shoulders

[faint onyx]

nerfed khalipe with her legs chopped does more damage than her

[charred citrus]

she’s top heavy

E2 or don’t bother honestly

[faint onyx]

I pulled and level cause shes hot and my favorite design after Khalipe of course

But yeah, shes E2 or skip

[charred citrus]

Otherwise pretty good for aoe and fun mechanic

[faint onyx]

actually just wasted materials

[acoustic iron]

that doesnt really show potentials

but im using this infographhic its fine

[faint onyx]

Based on her trial, story team I feell ike shes meant to be subdps

Cause shes paired with Renoa

but shes AP hungry herself and requires draw to combo to do anything

[charred citrus]

I dunno I think most of the ppl crying are e0/horrible gear andys

[faint onyx]

IDK what the devs cooked

[acoustic iron]

i always felt they were tryna sub dps renoa there

[charred citrus]

She’s pretty good at e2 just not super broken

[acoustic iron]

but i used her isntead of yuki to kill

[faint onyx]

Standard units are too op

so when a mid limited unit comes

It makes her seem worse

[charred citrus]

Her aoe is up there

[acoustic iron]

Yeah i hope devs dont listen to the outcries and speed up creep

this is actually good

let us enjoy our characters lol

[faint onyx]

Not a must pull

Which is a good thing

[charred citrus]

I just see a lot of complaining and I know it’s ppl with e0 horrible stats don’t wanna use brain just want draw card massive damage

If they made an aoe like that then why run anything else

[faint onyx]

thats what happens when you make units like Hugo and Haru who are brain off doing 5k+ a turn

[charred citrus]

Yea but not from the jump in chaos

But I get wym. Way easier

[charred citrus]

There were ppl complaining about Haru being shit too if you rem lol

[acoustic iron]

i dont remember that but i do remember hearing shes not must pull

cause just generic dps

[charred citrus]

Both of those whiteboys in the steamer case said they hate haru

And think she’s mid

[drifting flame]

She is mid

[charred citrus]

That’s what this community is like in global. Just test and see if you can rock out

lol shaddup migi

[acoustic iron]

omg i finally got 0 cost epihany on rin

pls let me find rfs now

[charred citrus]

Gl

[faint onyx]

Also

why is event planet not green

arent they suppose to shill the new unit

[charred citrus]

@solemn yacht dude it’s per card!

Fkin sick

[acoustic iron]

i think its so its more accessible for people

[charred citrus]

They shill her with gear and armors

[acoustic iron]

since we have more void dps than anything

• free tressa

[faint onyx]

subtle apology

for owen NTR?

and shilling Renoa??

or what

[charred citrus]

True Tressa is f2p goddess

[acoustic iron]

Yeah i cant wait to really build her out

NOOOO it didnt let em copy the card malki

[faint onyx]

how so

she just needs dot

shes pretty low investment

[acoustic iron]

boss selected some shitty neutral i got

[charred citrus]

lol that is life

[faint onyx]

for crazy payoff

[acoustic iron]

Boss dropped RFS too!

what the fuck game

[charred citrus]

Yea sometimes you just choose the best out of the 3

[solemn yacht]

and. its insane if you can find the netrual card that draws 1 + 1 forbidden card haha

hahaha

[faint onyx]

had the game give me 3 unupgraded cards to copy

legit worse moment

[charred citrus]

Sometimes it’s all shit like deluge blessing etc

[charred citrus]

Rly sick trying to stay under so it saves. It counts as 80?

I forget

[lavish lark]

happens on the first boss to me every 3 runs

[solemn yacht]

20

[acoustic iron]

i need to dupe it badly man

otherwise wasted

[solemn yacht]

i wonder if its "opening found" damage hahahaha

[faint onyx]

i just wanna quit the game

when it happen

[lavish lark]

I feel like it is @solemn yacht

[rain rain]

I guess that's an okay result for chaos 2 lmao

rip the divine epi on one of the gear bags tho

[faint onyx]

devine on neutral

cost so much

[rain rain]

yeaaaa

[faint onyx]

now that we know how data is calced

cant believe removing basic is 20 cost

😭

cant thin your deck for shit

[rain rain]

converting is cheaper than outright remova

[solemn yacht]

conversion is so op. too bad seasonal only has only a few conversions

[faint onyx]

yes

convert->remove is OP

[solemn yacht]

converting into a gear bag saves tons of cost

[faint onyx]

I am a whirlpool hater

fuck that card

Any Mika deck with WHirlpool is auto delete

[lavish lark]

its only 10 points tho

[faint onyx]

yeah

[lavish lark]

but yeah, better with extra steps

[faint onyx]

better than 20

Wait

i thought first removal is free

convert doesnt cost points iirc

[charred citrus]

First is yea

[lavish lark]

it is.. starting card is the 20 cost

[faint onyx]

convert -> remove is free

[lavish lark]

convert costs 10

[faint onyx]

you right I checked

better than 20 at least

[lavish lark]

now what I'm wondering is... the second convert is still 10 points no? it doesn't stack like remove/copy

meaning a second conversion would be -20

[faint onyx]

hmm

not sure

I finally hit 300 standard pull and got Mei lin

finally get to try Vero Mei

Is it viable in chaos

Or do I need to run them with Mika Khal carry boat to farm decks

[lavish lark]

wish I had Khalipe

playing hard mode over here

[rain rain]

hmm, interesting

wasn't expecting both divine epis on vulture to keep

but works nicely with that accessory anyways

[faint onyx]

That’s a fat deck

[faint onyx]

Yeah it adds your basics back

To keep divine

[rain rain]

nonono I never removed the basics for that

[faint onyx]

Oh really

You keep her 1 cost attack?

[rain rain]

I did because I wasn't sure whether that would be +20 pts or not

[faint onyx]

Oh it’s +20 for sure

[rain rain]

kinda unsure since 1st removal is 0 but removing basic is +20

so yeah

kept it in there

since I'm running her with rei it's not terrible to keep either

[faint onyx]

Why can’t first removal be free man

Sadge

[rain rain]

it is if it's not a basic

[faint onyx]

Ruins the point

I don’t want a fucking 1 cost attack on Mika

[rain rain]

u right

whirlpool should be 0 cost instead

free point of ap

[faint onyx]

True

I hate whirlpool

If you remove upgraded whirlpool

Cost even more

Instant delete for Mika

[rain rain]

fr

[lavish lark]

yeah gotta remove that shit be4 it epis

its 10 extra points

[rain rain]

ngl this on khal was kinda interesting that run

gave me yet another way of pulling in high cost attack cards

I kinda wonder with that new deck whether I'd ever run into the instance of 6x silver veil in one turn

cuz I have 5 sources in the deck itself, plus the option of create an extra base vulture with her ego skill

[solemn yacht]

convert -> [remove] is free

there are two events, meat and mutant sample that do it

[lavish lark]

but it's only if the remove card has actual remove on it

[rain rain]

yes, and both of those do

[faint onyx]

Ooo

Time to try to get those event

[rain rain]

meat is in standard chaos iirc

[faint onyx]

So event that remove means it’s free

[rain rain]

but mutant sample is in season 1

[faint onyx]

If convert -< remove

Wait yeah

That’s what we talking about

[rain rain]

if it has the remove card effect, then yes it becomes free

[faint onyx]

But converting basic to neutral is +10

So cheapest way to remove a basic still cost 10

[acoustic iron]

@charred citrus look how cursed this run was

no epi on even destruction

[charred citrus]

Smh what pushed you over

[acoustic iron]

nothing

thats literally how it ended

thats what im saying

[charred citrus]

Da fk

[acoustic iron]

yes...

[charred citrus]

So unlucky

Did you get like a 7 event interior or some shii?

[acoustic iron]

7 event?

[charred citrus]

😂 40 is hella low holy

[acoustic iron]

bro idk

this was tier 11

at least

[rain rain]

yuki is cursed ig

[charred citrus]

Just unlucky. Sometimes even trauma doesn’t get you procs

[acoustic iron]

im able to clear this with cursed rng

rin stonks are up

[charred citrus]

They fixed her potentials so

Def

[acoustic iron]

fixed?

what changed

[charred citrus]

They work now lol

[rain rain]

before the extra crit didn't apply

now it does

[charred citrus]

The crit chance per atk node

[acoustic iron]

no wayyyy

lmaoo

well yeah im at 62% rn

[charred citrus]

Should feel way better now if you got 1k atk

[acoustic iron]

still not 1k atk

but ill get there

max star weapon pushes me to about 960

[charred citrus]

Either way more crit is juice. Just annoying that such a big thing for her was broken

[acoustic iron]

atp its either a 5star partner diff or get more subs

[charred citrus]

I bet 960 is enough to get the full 10%

I forget

[acoustic iron]

nah you need 1000

its every 40

[charred citrus]

Oh ok then

Hurry up

[acoustic iron]

yeah but ita not like 1 crit changes much

lol

[charred citrus]

It can make the difference between stress or no stress

[acoustic iron]

lmao true!

[charred citrus]

They fixed some other shit on her card too

[acoustic iron]

yeah it feels really nice

im 2 turning the interior boss

[solemn yacht]

meat is only in blue zone i think. mutant sample is season 1

[charred citrus]

They are being stingy with these foil card pulls

Just 5 in the shop? 😒

[rain rain]

yeah, it's only in blue pot chaos, but that's technically what I meant, just wasn't specific enough

[solemn yacht]

too bad blue pot chaos doesn't have a good mythic weapon

[rain rain]

they did buff the parasite elite one tho

[solemn yacht]

i think thats the main reason I'm farming seasonal. way easier to get mythics

[rain rain]

it's now 18% up from 12%

that's not exclusive to blue pot itself however so eh

I've seen lots of other blue/gold gear got buffed too

[solemn yacht]

The new draw 1 for 35% damage is so insane. I think its multiplicative too

[rain rain]

I've been enjoying the buffed gastronomicon on khalipe ngl

especially since I'm running tressa alongside her

[rain rain]

nice

[charred citrus]

Add turn count @simple stump

So we know if you’re improving or not lol

[simple stump]

5 turns

[charred citrus]

Bar set

[simple stump]

to 7

it depend on lucks

i can get that number when i use my whole deck

rotation

[charred citrus]

Nods

[simple stump]

31 cards with 7 of it just discards

or rotate

[charred citrus]

Ya I like lean decks in sim too

[lavish lark]

maybe its just me but.. 10 cards per character is not thin

[charred citrus]

He said 7 of those were futilities or mb I misunderstood him

Most of my sim decks are 22 cards

Also again

[solemn yacht]

nice haha

[charred citrus]

This armor is solid af

[lavish lark]

its very good on Orlea specially

0 projects done.. already S tier

[charred citrus]

It’s so fast now

Not struggling like week 1 bc of upgrades

[acoustic iron]

Yeah all of mine are almost 100

lol

[drifting flame]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ChaosZeroNightmare/s/hGIeBaQdYB

[bold marlin]

does reloading on vero count as passion card used

[rain rain]

the reload itself does not count (if it comes from a passion skill card use and/or bombardment prep those would, but not the reload byproduct)

basically, passion card used is cards only

if you try for reloads past the reload cap via that divine 0 cost strat on the retrieve version of that one vero card, those still count as usages even if they don't give you more reloads

[lavish lark]

converting the basic into gear bag is 10 points, it adds up

exactly 100 points

wait no.. it doesn't check out.. cause I removed one of the cards with epiphany

unless epiphany on character cards don't count when removing them?

[rain rain]

standard epis on char cards are 0 cost iirc

only divine count towards the total on those afaik

the removal itself might add points depending on which card(s) were removed in what order of removal

[lavish lark]

nah my math is wrong.. it should be lower than 100

basic was converted to gear bag = 40 ( epiph )
20 for removing basic card
10 for the second copy
and the only thing missing is removing this card, cause it's dogshit

so removing that card was somehow 30 points

second remove

[charred citrus]

Did they say they removing broken decks?

Apparently my tinfoil hat strategy unintentionally used exploit lol

[rain rain]

conversion is 10 pts, 20 for basic removal, 30 for epi removal (10 for 2nd removal + 20 for it being epi I guess?), 10 for 2nd duplication, 20 for neutral card, 10 for neutral card epiphany = 100 pts @lavish lark

just checked the help notes

and it checks out

[lavish lark]

its literally what I said xD

so removing a non-starting epi card is 20 points?

[rain rain]

yea

removing any epi card in general is 20 pts

[charred citrus]

You mean starting 4 right

[rain rain]

if the removed card is a starting card or an epiphany card, 20 points is added

that's what the help says exactly

[charred citrus]

Bc that image says base 8. I miscalculated just now on a Mika deck and got deluge readded

[lavish lark]

oh right.. I'm retarded.. for some reason I thought it was 10 points for removing epi card

[charred citrus]

Same fk

[lavish lark]

so yeah.. that epi card was indeed the 30 missing points

[rain rain]

I think you confused that with the epis on non-char cards

which is indeed +10

[charred citrus]

I’m never gonna top this anyway

[rain rain]

lol

[lavish lark]

240 points

[charred citrus]

Fkin 240 lol

Lean and mean baby

[lavish lark]

definitely not a hotfix target

[charred citrus]

[lavish lark]

but yeah.. that's kinda crazy.. 170 points in removals

[charred citrus]

I salute your lvl of goon mig

o7

[solemn yacht]

You can do better haha

[charred citrus]

Ya I had one tactical copy removed too honest

[solemn yacht]

but that mythic is pretty good ngl haha

[lavish lark]

how the fk

[charred citrus]

Let me go check what this cass is

I don’t think as much

[solemn yacht]

1 serum removal, and then exiting before whirlpool ephiphany, that gets rid of 2 cards for 0 cost

[charred citrus]

On other acct

[charred citrus]

80 pts less sir!

Bwaha

[lavish lark]

what serum we talking about

[solemn yacht]

mutant serum

ie the season version of meat removal

convert a card into mutant serum. it removes itself from your deck with 0 cost

[lavish lark]

haven't seen it once

[charred citrus]

O shii just looked closer. Seasonal 👍 nice

[solemn yacht]

its a pretty common event in seasonal. requires you to roll 13. so make sure you rush dice reroll

[mellow bolt]

Is there something you need to do to get the replicate card event in the chaos event?

I still have yet to see it

[lavish lark]

I have the dice reroll.. but I have yet to see that specific event

[lavish lark]

same

[mellow bolt]

Meanwhile miracle got it on his first run

[lavish lark]

the only "big" event I see is the one where u get to procc a niphilim epiph

[charred citrus]

Yet to see it. 12-0 tho with yuki, Moo

[lavish lark]

also cleared 5 dimensional tunnels and 0 rewards

[mellow bolt]

Ya the one that usually is suppose to have the replicate card. The third choice is always reduce stress by 9 or something

Instead of replicate

[charred citrus]

Dim tunnel scamming is wtf

[mellow bolt]

12-0 what do you mean

[charred citrus]

Why just battles and no card? I’m 2/5 or something

[solemn yacht]

i think there is a very rare one in the second half. but copying is pretty hard in seasonal

[mellow bolt]

Like 12 chaos runs ?

[charred citrus]

I cleared to diff 8 then did another 5 runs or so ya

Got my decks to try turtle now

[mellow bolt]

Oh nice

So yuki is good after all?

[charred citrus]

Did you just push to max diff in 1 night?

[lavish lark]

Moo ? for sure

[charred citrus]

I think she pretty good for seasonal honestly

[lavish lark]

its only his 5th gacha

[charred citrus]

But my yuki is e3 and geared well

Haha I mean the turtle

Kasuya, you already did max distortion/diff?

I thought miracle was on 7 so it was kinda hard

[lavish lark]

fk no, I'm close to f2p.. with E2 Orlea and E1 Luke

I'm cursed

[charred citrus]

lol ok ok

[solemn yacht]

I'm basically f2p not by choice

[charred citrus]

I’m Eden f2p

Less than moo and miracle is f2p

[solemn yacht]

my wife pulled me every single 5 star within like 80 pulls haha

[charred citrus]

Insane

Diamond hands

[solemn yacht]

I really want to whale in this game, cause its so fun

but nothing worth whaling on rn lol

maybe that angel looking char will be a 5* version of mika haha

[charred citrus]

Nah the packs make it antiwhale for me

[lavish lark]

this is mine

it was a reroll of Orlea - Luke - Mei Lin in the first 2 10pull

haven't pulled a single SSR outside of softpity since then

[charred citrus]

You need one more luke and he’d be a good option

[lavish lark]

I could lowkey choose him on selector.. im at 260 pulls

[solemn yacht]

there will be a free manifest ego item soon

in one of the later shops of this season

[lavish lark]

Orlea's E1-E2 has to be one of the worst dupes ingame for SSR

[charred citrus]

I think her egos are bad yea

But your ass is making lemonade so

[solemn yacht]

i really like it tbh. but mainly cause only reason to use orlea is with tressa haha

[charred citrus]

Or beryl sims yea

[lavish lark]

also have lucas E6 .. so Luke is definitely a target for the free ego

[charred citrus]

What is there synergy even like. Lemme look at him

[lavish lark]

beryl becomes a monster with Orlea

[charred citrus]

Oh he has bullet buff epis

Plus draws

[solemn yacht]

man i wish they allowed you to share your friends save data

so i could flex my mika more hahaha. but to bad no one understands the game on reddit

idk i've been out of gachas for a while and everyone on reddit seems noticably stupider than pre covid

[charred citrus]

Not just Reddit

Just in general now

[lavish lark]

the new gen has a hard time thinking

[solemn yacht]

yeah i've been hearing shit about the quality of american education going down... didn't expect it to affect me this soon haha

[charred citrus]

Tech has made it worse fasho

Critical thinking and self awareness at unseen lows

[solemn yacht]

i wonder how it is in asia/europe, if it is as bad

[charred citrus]

Nah they haven’t taken a hatchet to their education system

It’s actually some insane uno reversal

We have some of the best institutions but the lowest general education lvls across the entire population

[granite hull]

Mostly just because of social media and reels

[drifting flame]

[bold marlin]

ive always been told that american's education system is so far behind from everybody else

[charred citrus]

Public yea. Private some of the best bc of $$$

Plus after ww2 the govt collected nerds like pokemon

She can cook.

[rain rain]

I don't think that crab tastes good tho