is chizuru a debuffer?
#CZN gooner gang godz only
acoustic iron
i wonder if chizuru ends up being an agony dps to pair with tressa
that could be interesting
mellow bolt
1st banner: single target DPS that can take multiple turns
2nd banner: shitty AOE unit
3rd banner: purple color debuffer
4th banner: healer
let's see how it goes
echo nymph
facts
hollow ledge
Beryl is both powerful and dressed respectably
echo nymph
I mean they already copied the gacha system and the artifacts so 
unkempt arrow
i wonder if chizuru ends up being an agony dps to pair with tressa
Tressa doesn’t need any more help
still sedge
they just went for simulated universe in czn anyways
mellow bolt
I mean they already copied the gacha system and the artifacts so <:dankpuff:9134...
more than just that, a lot of the roguelike is also similar to HSR's lol
also this new boss thing they added is literally the same as ZZZ
you choose more debuffs to add for more points etc
unkempt arrow
I mean systems can’t help but be recycled
So I don’t mind it it’s in a lot of games
mellow bolt
So I don’t mind it it’s in a lot of games
ye i dont mind it either since it's good
unkempt arrow
HSR and ZZZ are ass anyway
mellow bolt
but i find it so funny
still sedge
bro is a hoyo game enjoyer, but somehow their director was caught playing wuthering waves during the livestream they did
hollow ledge
There is a plus to having new characters slotted into standard banners
unkempt arrow
bro is a hoyo game enjoyer, but somehow their director was caught playing wuther...
If I was him I wouldn’t give 2 Fs either
Cuz that community sucks balls
still sedge
unkempt arrow
So I understand
hollow ledge
bro is a hoyo game enjoyer, but somehow their director was caught playing wuther...
Bro is playing according to his waifu instincts
Understandable if he wanted Camellya
unkempt arrow
They mad about that
They mad that ppl said their wackers are small
What aren’t they mad about
hollow ledge
can we catch a leak of him playing trickcal
still sedge
they always mad about everything
unkempt arrow
hollow ledge
she might be hiding knives inside of them
still sedge
fake legs maybe
hollow ledge
dagger legs
unkempt arrow
They doing a patch already
mellow bolt
ya cause she's only playable at c6
imagine having to c6 a unit just so they become T1
maybe T2
dawn flare
Dam, great thing I went all in for Haru T2 then lol
still sedge
im glad i didnt go all out and spend last night. decided to wait for people to review and test before i spend on her and seems like it was the right decision
mellow bolt
im glad i didnt go all out and spend last night. decided to wait for people to r...
i was about to max her but then i started playing the story
and she felt to ass to play lol
still sedge
mellow bolt
maybe someone will find some OP build with her
cause when haru first came out she felt mid af too
hasty hearth
well cant make like an accurate judgement since ive only used her in one chaos so far
but she seems... fine? Inflexible teammates in chaos for sure, but damage was fine for me granted i get what ur saying
very mid unit and kind of reliant on applying vuln and morale with epiphs from her own card + new neutral card
charred citrus
Some of vero animations were causing crashes too
mellow bolt
this is a pretty good yuki wep tho ngl
hollow ledge
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acoustic iron
oh dang
charred citrus
I think you guys are over reacting a bit bc we have op units
acoustic iron
that item is great
charred citrus
She’s not trash… 1 cost for 950 aoe dmg isn’t terrible
She’s just not…
Renoa or mei or hugo
Or Haru
acoustic iron
LOL
charred citrus
🙁
hasty hearth
idk bout u guys
charred citrus
If you have e0 don’t use her tho
hasty hearth
but i think her aoe damage is good
lavish lark
If my tressa is level 60 ... what dps should I be leveling.. Renoa or Rin ?
charred citrus
Ya she’s way stronger than khal in aoe
mellow bolt
does this new chaos not have copy cards or what?
ive done 3 now
and did not get it
hasty hearth
does this new chaos not have copy cards or what?
it does i got it
mellow bolt
the event?
ive never not gotten it before, and now 3x in a row with this new chaos i didnt get it
hollow ledge
i should try out the new chaos after the patch
let's see if we can do another deck with 3 purple cards for beryl
hasty hearth
yeah idk what u guys are talking about
just 1 turned final boss with yuki
did like 10k+ lol
mellow bolt
charred citrus
Ok that’s actually pretty 😂
But yea she can do quite a bit of aoe to 3+ targets with a mid hand. Just run her with a sub dps
mellow bolt
did u E2 her?
he prob e6 max potential perfect gear
hasty hearth
yeah mines e2 but that 10k was on turn 3 so technically didnt affect her
lavish lark
this fking whale 
charred citrus
Yea same. Mine e2
hasty hearth
i got her upgrade card at final boss too
lol
that accessory actually pretty damn good
lavish lark
u didnt remove a single card?
hasty hearth
shield got added back in
charred citrus
Her basics are kinda necessary
You burn through her cards in 1 turn
Like all of them usually
hasty hearth
yeah her basics are fine
since 1 cost is free
2 cost one is more eh but not the worst thing in the world
charred citrus
Yea I don’t mind that one. I stayed lazy and put 1cost cdam on her bc I had it already
I think order is best tho now we know how fast she can cycle
Gives her another multi
hasty hearth
again i dont think shes like super broken or anything
but i dont think she's as bad as u guys think she is
charred citrus
Naaah she just needs a subdps since her focus is aoe
hasty hearth
not really again i 1 turned the boss did over 10k lol
charred citrus
Had enough shuffle?
charred citrus
It just feels safer to me since vero has draw anyway
charred citrus
Nods nods
I’m thinking rei could be nice in a pinch too.
Extra unique dmg and that 4 morale booster
Kinda weird how the chaos isn’t for her tho
lavish lark
so.. wtf is vivid memory.. anyone?
I'm guessing this means the removals are not free. but 20 points each for basic cards no? at least
well maybe the first one is still free.. but starting from second if it's a starting/epiph card its 30 points
and next 50
unkempt arrow
“She’s not bad she just need Vulnerability, Morale, Good Card Draw and Good Epiphanies”
???
So does every dps
mellow bolt
i m kind of glad tbh
now i dont need to use resources to build her
and can finally build renoa
rain rain
I threw a couple multis at yuki banner, didn't get anything so called it quits
khalipe acc got renoa from standard tho, so maybe I should build her again
unkempt arrow
she can do 10k dmg per turn to a boss with an OP build
Haru does that without the morale
rain rain
ngl tho I kinda feel like skipping renoa on this khalipe acc for now
mellow bolt
Haru does that without the morale
yeh when we look at OP builds.... haru, mei lin, hugo, renoa, they all want to have a word with yuki
but copers can cope
rain rain
cuz I don't really feel like shifting rei outta khalipe team
mellow bolt
tbh i coped really hard with jingyuan for a long time too
echo nymph
more than just that, a lot of the roguelike is also similar to HSR's lol
honestly only thing I don’t like is the artifact system
rain rain
wonder if I can make owen/selena/mika work well enough for a basin team 2
mellow bolt
honestly only thing I don’t like is the artifact system <:dankpuff:9134690744518...
which artifact system?
the 3 gear slots?
unkempt arrow
tbh i coped really hard with jingyuan for a long time too
Same even with him E6S5
Bro sucked ass
And ppl thought his dmg was good
When seele is bursting millions per turn
mellow bolt
Same even with him E6S5
same lol i e6s5'd him on the first day and ever since the first day people have been calling him mid
i refused to believe it though
and i coped so hard
echo nymph
which artifact system?
the 6 gear slots with the randomized sub stats
such a slog to grind
mellow bolt
then when imbibitor lunae came out i was like ya jingyuan is ass
mellow bolt
And ppl thought his dmg was good
yep yuki same story, but people alrdy invested in her so they are gonna cope with it for now
also this chaos really caters to her with the bonus cards + gear
so that kind of makes up for it
mellow bolt
the 6 gear slots with the randomized sub stats
oh the memories, ya...classic
echo nymph
been farming for months on star rail still don’t have the perfect artifacts I want 
going to take me a while here aswell
mellow bolt
been farming for months on star rail still don’t have the perfect artifacts I wa...
HSR isnt too bad now, you can just whale and craft the perfect piece
too bad the game is ass though lol
meager junco
rin is now bugged lol
echo nymph
I smell some free apologems incoming
mellow bolt
stress received becomes 0?
mellow bolt
when you get hit you wont get stress
could come in clutch
but that +30% dmg on a health piece though
simple stump
pretty normal
mellow bolt
+30% dmg on a health piece is normal?
you've been playing a different game than i have apparently
simple stump
+30% dmg on a health piece is normal?
need to check is that 30% final damage or 30% bonus addon or 30% current total
eternal gorge
you've been playing a different game than i have apparently
Ofc Toby plays a very very different game
simple stump
i think it just current total of said card
eternal gorge
hollow ledge
<:KEK:1411401041156505661>
Charged Shot, Charged Shot, Opening Found, Opening Found, Charged Shot, Hidden Bullet, Opening Found, Opening Found, Charged Shot, Opening Found
plain breach
stress received becomes 0?
is that taking more damage?
unkempt arrow
<:KEK:1411401041156505661>
mellow bolt
here is weaker version (lower stars)
oh ya ive seen that one before, not often though, that's a good one too
mellow bolt
well 12% atk and 30% dmg are 2 very different things
in most games, not sure abt this one
simple stump
well 12% atk and 30% dmg are 2 very different things
lower level
4 stars give 30% of X
this is 2-3
simple stump
well 12% atk and 30% dmg are 2 very different things
but damage amount i dunno what it is
mellow bolt
ive gotten it many times lol
mellow bolt
i mean i dont know
but youre the one saying it's "normal"
but it sounds like it's all speculation
simple stump
i said i dunno
i said i know if it said Damage then it add to card
first time i see something said damage amount
mellow bolt
@unkempt arrow it's things like this that carries yuki
even though her actual character is whatever, but this chaos gives her some OP stuff
mellow bolt
look at that last card
that's kind of insane
oh wait nvm it's a random forbidden card not selector
it's still ok
mellow bolt
I was gonna give that to Vero lol
ya that would be great for them too
but does "move" count as a "draw"
wait what's a forbidden card? i just used it and it brought me a basic card lol
unkempt arrow
but does "move" count as a "draw"
Someone said it doesn’t but I don’t believe them
lavish lark
why would u not believe
mellow bolt
@hasty hearth are you getting replicate card event all the time?
ive done 5 of the new chaos now and still havent gotten one
hasty hearth
I only ran it once and got it
mellow bolt
wtf
hasty hearth
In office currently
mellow bolt
are you LO9 or what
hasty hearth
Maybe
mellow bolt
Someone said it doesn’t but I don’t believe them
i guess we can test it at some point
hasty hearth
but does "move" count as a "draw"
For what purpose? If you mean for like inspiration then yes
hasty hearth
Oh that
mellow bolt
if you put that on mei lin
hasty hearth
I have it on my yuki I think it does but would have to test
mellow bolt
if it works....200K+ mei lin turns here we come
hasty hearth
Game keeps giving me Mei Lin dupes
I literally would take any other dupe beside her
mellow bolt
youre trying to pull for more yukis?
hasty hearth
lol same for me 1 more Mei Lin for max
mellow bolt
lol same for me 1 more Mei Lin for max
ok but
at least that's a useful character
i wish i got mei lin dupes or renoa dupes
hasty hearth
It’s okay
mellow bolt
but i dont want to buy dupes for a standard banner unit
mellow bolt
wait this portal event is so bait
i just fought the elite wolf and the portal event took me to fight the elite wolf again
hasty hearth
so it's not bugged anymore?
Yeah not bugged anymore
mellow bolt
not sure exactly how these save data tiers work but these new chaos runs suck
barely any rare epiphanies and i still have yet run into even 1 duplicate card event
the gears are good though
rain rain
2 more lvls on khalipe alt then I can access event
mellow bolt
there's no more after this 🙁
but i guess now we can start giving cake to the people we actually want
plain breach
is the samurai chick next?
drifting flame
Chizuru is dps?
meager junco
yes
rain rain
sigh, khalipe acc pulled hugo now from standard
hasty hearth
Chizuru is dps?
If leaks are true then ye void striker
rain rain
even more reason not to pull on yuki banner i guess
hasty hearth
Who’s also a dps
drifting flame
mellow bolt
If leaks are true then ye void striker
say goodbye to your renoa
which i just got a dupe for 
meager junco
plain breach
sigh, khalipe acc pulled hugo now from standard
same as my alt 😄
rain rain
would have preferred another khalipe ngl
rain rain
epiphanies on standard cards don't count for anything afaik
only divine adds points there
lavish lark
divine do
lavish lark
but duped epiph should add 10 no?
20 for removing basic card... 10 for dupe epiph, 30 neutral epiph, 20 for neutral and 20 for second dupe epiph
rain rain
first dupe'd card adds 0, 2nd duped card adds 20 iirc, then you have 2 neutral cards for +20 each
rain rain
if character specific I don't think so unless divine
cuz its still the character specific card
plain breach
if points are over, they randomly shuffle cards?
lavish lark
they removed a divine epiph on adagio here
and added the basic atk card
everything else untouched
rain rain
it's possible the removal forces the point gain to 0 for the first card removed, regardless of whether it's a basic or not
idk how that's done internally in the code, but I could see it working that way
lavish lark
removing 2 basic cards is 50 points tho.. that's a fk ton
rain rain
yeah
lavish lark
no wonder 5 card decks are so expensive
rain rain
because if you remove the 2nd that's 30 points from 2nd card removal + 20 for it being a basic afaik
lavish lark
5 card decks with nothing else.. is 90 points
rain rain
rip
lavish lark
if u remove all starting cards ofc.. 70 if a non-standard card was removed ( Looking at Deluge ofc )
lavish lark
Points were: 90
it exactly adds up for mika... 10 points conversion, 20 basic removal, 30 gear bag and 20 for rally
hollow ledge
I ran Tier 6 (7 because Deep Trauma)
hollow ledge
The new system is so much more bearable now that one can know how to deck build
this deck is pre-rework
mellow bolt
Will wait and see for that
now i m in the same boat as you
i started investing into her
rain rain
checking how bad the rr is now on a spare instance
mellow bolt
haru, hugo, mei lin, veronica almost all done
gonna finish up renoa, then ill be free to build whoever finally
hollow ledge
slow and steady
mellow bolt
dont really want to do this last upgrade tbh
rain rain
lol
hollow ledge
wait so the card remove cost increase
is it per character or is it a global-counter increment
i.e. if i remove a card on beryl (0 points) will remove the first card on selena be 10 points or will it be 0 points?
dawn thunder
Would ya'll say rin E4 is hella strong?
rain rain
certainly a couple steps up over pre-e4
hollow ledge
it exactly adds up for mika... 10 points conversion, 20 basic removal, 30 gear b...
the basic was replaced (basic attack into gear bag). i removed deluge.
rain rain
not sure about hella strong tho?
hollow ledge
i think i kept whirlpool
lavish lark
the basic was replaced (basic attack into gear bag). i removed deluge.
I assume deluge removal does not count cause it's first removal
unkempt arrow
haru, hugo, mei lin, veronica almost all done
Stats?
unkempt arrow
Would ya'll say rin E4 is hella strong?
Yeah
hollow ledge
Gear Bag has normal epiphany
Rally has no epiphany
lavish lark
yeah.. gear bag is 30 and rally is 20
hollow ledge
That means the removal is a global increment
Because deluge wasn't the first card I removed
Third removal is 30 which would be the actual correct score for Mika
hasty hearth
Would ya'll say rin E4 is hella strong?
Define hella strong
lavish lark
Because deluge wasn't the first card I removed
it was for Mika
hasty hearth
Like better than Hugo? No
hollow ledge
it was for Mika
Correct
hasty hearth
Better than haru? Also probably no?
lavish lark
so its not global
hasty hearth
God dang smilegate def needs like different tiers for monster cards
Like draw 4 or copy card sure I get it
hasty hearth
But some of these are not worth 80 points that’s for sure
hollow ledge
50% damage x 5 card is not worth 80 points at all
hasty hearth
50% damage x 5 card is not worth 80 points at all
Actually that one can be
U put it on renoa or any dps that pairs with rei
And rei can mega boost it
hollow ledge
oh so that card is a magnet for % buffs
hasty hearth
Turn from 5x50 to like 5x300%
rain rain
yup
hollow ledge
Nevermind my statement then
I should try stage V and record my cards
blue bonus
actually the value is already considering the blue/yellow rarity
so that'd make it 9 tier with nightmare
lavish lark
dafuk is that re-observe
lavish lark
yeah i should probably stop chaos spamming and do the actual season 1 xD
hollow ledge
xd
mellow bolt
wait so you guys know how the sava data works now?
mellow bolt
Stats?
no clue pretty mid, i havent updated their gears since the beginning lol
terrible substats
but i dont want to build any gear til they release new sets, i m saving all my crafting stuff
lavish lark
wait so you guys know how the sava data works now?
yeah, we have a lot more idea of what's happening now
for starters.. character cards and gear do not count towards save data
removing/copying/converting them do
this is the TLDR ( Start means starting cards )
maximum save data is 30 for tier 1. +10 per tier
meaning a tier 9 is 110 points
nightmare adds 1 tier
mellow bolt
this is the TLDR ( Start means starting cards )
hmmm so if we want a deck to save on a specific character, what do we need to do?
hasty hearth
hmmm so if we want a deck to save on a specific character, what do we need to do...
Just keep track of what ur adding/removing
As well as divine epiphanies
lavish lark
don't get past the maximum points
lavish lark
points are a debuff
hasty hearth
So technically in some cases u don’t want to remove
mellow bolt
so tier 3 is the highest right
hasty hearth
What u mean tier 3 is highest
mellow bolt
so 140 points
lavish lark
that says 13 not 3
lavish lark
thats 150 points maximum
hasty hearth
Oh so 1 less tier
hasty hearth
Still 160 tho on deep trauma no
mellow bolt
is the point cap for the entire team or each specific character?
lavish lark
that is deep trauma
daring sleet
So it looks like you don’t want to remove more than twice a character right since after 2 times the cost jumps up a lot
lavish lark
@mellow bolt individual
hasty hearth
Oh if that’s deep trauma then yeah 150
mellow bolt
hmm ok
daring sleet
And you want to convert your basic cards to neutral ones to get rid of em
lavish lark
So it looks like you don’t want to remove more than twice a character right sinc...
depends.. if u dont remove only starting cards.. it's definitely worth
manic knot
80 points per monster card
lavish lark
its expensive af
manic knot
2 already over cap
hasty hearth
With one having epiph
lavish lark
better be worth it
daring sleet
30 points even without starting card is kinda rough
hasty hearth
And you wanted to keep 3 before
Well dreamed big
Only for smilegate to shit all over my dreams
hasty hearth
Wonder if it would ever be increased in future
lavish lark
celestial card ? is that a divine epiph ?
daring sleet
Yes
hasty hearth
celestial card ? is that a divine epiph ?
That is divine epiph
daring sleet
You see the diff on the top left
mellow bolt
so according to this, on a tier 13 chaos, we can remove 2 cards, get epiphanies on all of our cards, and copy 3 times and it should save right?
daring sleet
That means it’s divine
lavish lark
And you wanted to keep 3 before
but wait.. if u dupe a monster card
u already get fked in the ass no?
by default
hasty hearth
Yes u do
lyric osprey
wHy would you
daring sleet
so according to this, on a tier 13 chaos, we can remove 2 cards, get epiphanies ...
I think no dupes on copied cards also take 20 for divine
lavish lark
because 2 monster card = 160 points
hasty hearth
Still touching them
lavish lark
I think no dupes on copied cards also take 20 for divine
they do
lavish lark
@hasty hearth test copying a monster card and nothing else
daring sleet
Nvm I misread ignore me
lyric osprey
kekw
lavish lark
see if it counts as a copied card or an actual monster one
hasty hearth
<@138347720980037632> test copying a monster card and nothing else
How am I supposed to dodge epiphanies if I’m forced to take them
lavish lark
you dont have to dodge anything
epiphanies on character cards don't add points
only divine epiph
mellow bolt
I think no dupes on copied cards also take 20 for divine
hmmmm
hasty hearth
So ur saying copying monster card might lower value because not counting it as monster?
hasty hearth
Doubt they overlook that
lavish lark
@hasty hearth 
hasty hearth
How the fk did u not know what celestial was
lavish lark
I don't have khalipe, for starters
lyric osprey
im doing a 15 rn
lavish lark
@mellow bolt it goes as high as 3 mods + nightmare + difficulty 10
every mod adds a tier I think
hasty hearth
Yeah just find a tyrant 4, decrease max health by 50%, and discard 1 random
lavish lark
even shitty ones
hasty hearth
Lemme know what that one comes out to
lyric osprey
lmao I have a no rest discard and Tyra going
hasty hearth
Oh true
lavish lark
Yeah just find a tyrant 4, decrease max health by 50%, and discard 1 random
can also be tyrant 1 , -20% health
hasty hearth
No rest is awful
mellow bolt
no rest imo is the worst one lol
i never take those
100% of my losses are due to mental break
hasty hearth
They need less punishing ones
Like
I see tyrant + decreased max health all the time
Give more mods so this shit doesn’t happen as often
lyric osprey
Haha funny not only I discard a random card but I got this on top
Because he as a cute affix
lavish lark
oh nvm then
daring sleet
You running the 2 cost 20% crit set?
lyric osprey
btw every single t14 are rolling no reset or I'm ubber unlucky
hasty hearth
Haha funny not only I discard a random card but I got this on top
Yo what if there was a boss that activates one of ur cards for itself. Imagine it had like 20 action before it moved and it took the Mika heal based on AP
unkempt arrow
You running the 2 cost 20% crit set?
Yuh
hasty hearth
Just heals itself to full
Or better yet u have the excess healing is shield
Just sitting on 20k shield
hollow ledge
- Drone Bombing normal epiphany
- Target Spotted normal epiphany
- Opening Found normal epiphany
- Blessings of Waves normal epiphany
- Source of Water normal epiphany
- Copied Heavy Weapons Specialist (+0 Beryl)
- Removed Deluge (+0 Mika)
- High Power Scope normal epiphany
- Guilty Pleasure nihilium epiphany (+20 Beryl)
...Mika why do you have 20 points
unkempt arrow
U didn’t remove anything
hollow ledge
Deluge
unkempt arrow
The deck is dang near the same as when u started
hollow ledge
I removed Deluge tf you mean didn't remove anything
unkempt arrow
U only removed one card bruh
hollow ledge
But why do I have 20 points
unkempt arrow
2 normal epis
hollow ledge
hasty hearth
Maybe it counts ur regular epiphanies when u don’t hit point cap
Just so it doesn’t say 0
unkempt arrow
Probably
lavish lark
+ Drone Bombing normal epiphany
+ Target Spotted normal epiphany
+ Opening Found...
character card epiphanies don't add points
hollow ledge
Beryl has 20
lavish lark
divine epiph.. I'm not sure
hollow ledge
all she has is a divine epi which adds 20
hasty hearth
Divine epiph is 20 points
hollow ledge
she also has normal epi
hasty hearth
10 more than regular
hollow ledge
but only 20 points because one divine
daring sleet
Unless somehow deluge is counted as starting card?
hollow ledge
I didn't get deluge at the start
daring sleet
I know just maybe wacky code
lavish lark
Unless somehow deluge is counted as starting card?
should not
daring sleet
Cuz I can’t think of other ways of getting 20 points there
lavish lark
it's be4 this patch.. maybe they changed something internally
we shouldn't count decks be4 the patch honestly
daring sleet
Or maybe you had epiphany of deluge cuz removing an epiphany adds 20
hollow ledge
I just did this deck
lavish lark
deluge can't have epiph
daring sleet
Ok nvm
hollow ledge
Or maybe you had epiphany of deluge cuz removing an epiphany adds 20
deluge can't get epi
daring sleet
No clue
hollow ledge
pink cards never get epi
lavish lark
deluge can't get epi
oh right.. 25 is the year.. always confuse me
hollow ledge
oh right.. 25 is the year.. always confuse me <:worryKek:585843728716005376>
I literally recorded all card events above lol
daring sleet
Sooo could those none epiphany cards all count as starting cards actually
lavish lark
that deck should be 0 memory
hollow ledge
I should check Selena's
daring sleet
Even if they didn’t start in your opening hand
lavish lark
maybe there's just a minimum
lavish lark
Sooo could those none epiphany cards all count as starting cards actually
starting cards are the first 4 of each deck
lavish lark
ok so there's no minimum then
hollow ledge
I practically didn't touch her besides normal epi
hollow ledge
Copying it is still free the first time
Because I did it with Beryl
I should try another run and see
lavish lark
Beryl has 20
yeah this one is probably 20 points cause of divine epiph
hollow ledge
yeah this one is probably 20 points cause of divine epiph
Beryl checks out
20 because of divine epi
first copy is 0
lavish lark
the thing is.. we dont know yet if divine epiph on character cards count as 10 or 20
cause normal epiph is 10.. so divine should be an extra 10
hasty hearth
Also true
hasty hearth
If it counts 0 normally for regular epiphanies on cards
Does that mean divine would be 10 or 20 still
daring sleet
10 is for neutral cards
lavish lark
yeah, normal epiph on character cards are 0.. that is pretty much given
but going from epiph to divine epiph should be 10 points.. not 20
hollow ledge
divine is 20 on any card
lavish lark
that's what doesn't add up
daring sleet
Is 20 no?
hollow ledge
doesn't matter if neutral or character
lavish lark
that's what I wanna know
hollow ledge
character normal epi = 0
neutral, monster normal epi = 10
divine epi = 20 on all
hollow ledge
I used this as the reference point
hasty hearth
but we need proof
Then why is his beryl 20 points?
lavish lark
the tutorial does mention that divine epiph is 20 .. doesn't mention on what card
daring sleet
Adds 20 on the base card cost prob
lavish lark
I'm not gonna question Saintone.. he is usually right
hasty hearth
@hallow trout also where this guy been
lavish lark
now the real question is.. why is that Mika 20
hollow ledge
Here's a previous deck I made of Mika.
Gear Bag was converted from an event (formerly basic attack). It also has a normal epi which is 10 points.
Rally was bought. That's 20 points
Deluge was removed. Not the first card removed in the run, but the first removed on Mika.
3 character normal epis
The run was on a 90 point cap
lavish lark
we need to convert one starting card.. and do nothing else on that deck.. to see if it's 10, 30 or 50 points
lavish lark
Kasuya having slow turtle moment or something
why is the mika 20 tho 
hollow ledge
I'll try a zero run where I can have a chance to get the conversion starting event
hasty hearth
why is the mika 20 tho <:worrymyBrik:585694766021214208>
That’s what we were talking about ya slowpoke
We trying to figure out that mystery
hollow ledge
I'll also document when I unlock every card this time
lavish lark
so why am I the slowpoke.. if we haven't figured it out yet
hasty hearth
I wonder if they fked up code and if u proc divine epiphany it auto counts it even if u don’t pick it
lavish lark
nah there's no way it counts divine epiph if u dont pick it
hollow ledge
I wonder if they fked up code and if u proc divine epiphany it auto counts it ev...
that'd be funny actually
exhibit test
hasty hearth
Well his Mika makes no sense to me
@hollow ledge do u know for that 20 point Mika if it procced any divine epiphany and u just didn’t pick it?
hollow ledge
<@188606692689182720> do u know for that 20 point Mika if it procced any divine ...
I didn't get any divine epiphany on Mika
But I'll be on the lookout for that use case
hasty hearth
Real head scratcher then
neat grotto
exhibit test
2 massives and a mini
hasty hearth
2 massives and a mini
Comfy being comfy
lavish lark
why are u doing difficulty 5 with level 51+ characters tho
hollow ledge
Removing Mei Lin's shield should be 20 points.
hollow ledge
why are u doing difficulty 5 with level 51+ characters tho
it's the only coordinate i have lol
lavish lark
so just reroll it?
lavish lark
If you don't care about the chaos.. and only care about testing.. u could surrender as soon as u remove deluge honestly
hasty hearth
so just reroll it? <:worryKek:585843728716005376>
Look at this rich guy over here
hollow ledge
lole
hasty hearth
Wonder what it’s like to have units
meager junco
we talk about the 45k coins cost
brah
aint no rerolling that for infinite amount of times
lavish lark
I know the costs..
hasty hearth
I know the costs..
Clearly not if ur telling to reroll 
Everyone should be broke as fk
hollow ledge
It's his fault for accepting that codex.. not mine
Brother it was there since ever
hollow ledge
I didnt' even roll it it was just there
lavish lark
Brother it was there since ever
I know.. probably from day 1 of ur codex
hollow ledge
Record:
Shield card removed (0 first remove + 20 starting card Mei Lin)
Taking Leadership (3 basic cards randomly replaced with Rare Neutral: 2 selena, 1 mei lin RIP)
- Strike replaced with Sacred Strike (+10 Mei Lin conversion?)
- 2x Selena basics replaced with 2x Maneuvering Fire (+20 Selena conversion?)
Selena: + Drone Bombing
Maribell: + Shelter Mk. II
Wolves' Dome: picked normal epiphany, no divine trigger.
Mei Lin: + Flame Dragon's Sovereignity (pink)
Selena: + Sniper's Domain (pink)
Flame Dragon's Jewel: picked normal epiphany, sekred (divine) triggered. (must check if code is buggy and applied 20)
Resolute Blitz: picked normal epiphany, no divine trigger.
Shield card removed (have to check if 0 or 10; + 20 starting card Selena)
Shelter Mk II : picked normal epiphany, no divine trigger.
Maribell: + Shelter Strike (pink)
Sacred Strike: picked normal epiphany, no divine trigger. (+10 neutral normal epi)
Mei Lin: + Union of Attack and Defense
Maribel: + Oh... I see
Attack card removed (have to check if 0 or 10 or 30; + 20 starting card Maribell)
Rising Dragon Spire: picked normal epiphany, no divine trigger.
Oh... I see: picked normal epiphany, no divine trigger.
------- Kentris Defeated -----------
Duplicated Maneuvering Fire (0 because first copy; Selena)
Target Spotted: picked normal epiphany, vytor (divine) triggered. (must check if code is buggy and applied 20)
Encounter: Selected Epiphany on Union of Attack and Defense
Union of Attack and Defense: picked normal epiphany, no divine trigger.
Maneuvering Fire: picked normal epiphany, no divine trigger. (+10 points neutral epi)
--------- Copy Event -------------
Duplicated Maneuvering Fire w/ normal Epiphany (10 + 10 Selena)
Bought Relentless Endurance (Maribell +20)
Bought Maneuvering Fire (Selena +20)
Encounter: Selected Epiphany on High Power Scope
High Power Scope: picked normal epiphany, no divine trigger.
Maneuvering Fire: picked normal epiphany, no divine trigger. (+10 points neutral epi)
Selena: + Tactical Maneuver
Encounter: Selected Epiphany on Drone Bombing
Drone Bombing: divine
i edit this message until i rescue
hasty hearth
It's his fault for accepting that codex.. not mine
What kind of logic is that? Ur the one making the complaint/telling him to do something about it. He’s the one who doesn’t give a flying fuq
lavish lark
bro acting like I'm telling him to do 3 multis on the partner default banner
hasty hearth
No im just stating facts here what kind of gaslighting is that lol
lavish lark
aren't u the one gaslighting ?
hasty hearth
How is anything I said gaslighting? U were the one that told him to do something
That is a fact
lavish lark
I only asked why is he doing that one, and suggested to reroll it
hasty hearth
And you also were the one that said he should accept consequences when he just doing something for testing
Which is also a fact
rain rain
what is also a fact is miracle is blowing this way outta proportion
hollow ledge
Why is it such a big deal what zero I do lol
rain rain
like chill dude, there's no reason to create drama over this
unkempt arrow
If I skipped the wep to dupe a card can I get the weapon again?
lavish lark
its 50k coins.. it takes 1.5m to get a character from 50 to 60
hasty hearth
what is also a fact is miracle is blowing this way outta proportion
He’s the one saying I’m gaslighting when I’m just explaining all the sentences??
Da heck
unkempt arrow
He’s the one saying I’m gaslighting when I’m just explaining all the sentences??
Explain my question then pls
hasty hearth
Explain my question then pls
Not enough experience with new chaos but I think that weapon is specific to that event
hasty hearth
Yeah I got it from that exact one as well
Think moo posted one let me see if it’s same event
rain rain
pretty sure that's a general kind of event where you choose what you want, so no you can't get the weapon again in that run, but you can get it again in a different one afaik
if it's anything like the regular chaos variants anyways
sometimes events have like 2 versions of the same one, one more common than the other
hasty hearth
Yeah moo got it from the floor 1 rare event
So it’s from either floor rare event it seems
rain rain
so as long as you trigger the same version in a different run, the resultant possibilities should be the same
hasty hearth
Explain my question then pls
Since urs is floor 2 rare event then no u cant get the wep again pretty sure
If it was floor 1 then yes
charred citrus
tbh i coped really hard with jingyuan for a long time too
Never say that name again please
rain rain
pretty sure you can't get the same event twice in 1 run regardless
hasty hearth
Pretty sure in my 1 run I got both
And didn’t get chimerite as option for the first floor event like moo did
I only got it as option for 2nd floor one
rain rain
you probably got both variants
of the event
not same event exactly
that's what I mean
sometimes events have 2 different variants with slightly different options
but getting both with the same variant probably isn't possible in 1 run
I know at the very least in normal chaos you can get floor 1 specific events in floor 2 if you go thru all of the floor 2 possibilities before the end
not sure if it's similar in the new one tho
hasty hearth
Would have to confirm when I get back but don’t think this is variant event and are completely different events because the one that cyk and I are talking about is the floor 2 “god event” that is different from rare variant of floor 1 event that moo posted
rain rain
fair enough then
hasty hearth
And god events from what know don’t have variants
It’s just “the god event”
What ur talking about if im understanding correctly is the same event but essentially different rarity like “typical normal event” and “same event but legendary rarity” right
rain rain
yeah that
sometimes it's called the same thing but has rarer options to choose from
that being said, I have encountered the oddity of floor 1 events happening on floor 2 in normal chaos after all of the floor 2 possibilities have been done
I've only seen that a couple of times tho cuz it's super rng whether you get enough nodes for that to happen
hasty hearth
Oh I think ri roll is right moo got the lesser rarity one and @unkempt arrow and I got legendary version
So this new chaos doesn’t have its own dedicated god event (copy card event that’s almost guaranteed)
It’s a variant event that u gotta get lucky to get copy option in this new chaos
hasty hearth
Has anyone seen forbidden card from event or shop yet
rain rain
I've been pushing all my accs up to event access rip
lv35 is kinda a pain for anything recent
unkempt arrow
Since urs is floor 2 rare event then no u cant get the wep again pretty sure
I skipped that trash ass paradox world event
In floor 1
Then got it again in floor 2
hasty hearth
I skipped that trash ass paradox world event
The one where u fight 2 elites before getting rewards?
unkempt arrow
I saw someone post a forbidden card
unkempt arrow
The one where u fight 2 elites before getting rewards?
Yeah
hasty hearth
Same
What was it got like epiphany for random combatant, 100 credits, and forgot 3rd thing
Gear…? Idr
still sedge
2 streamers so far went all in for yuki and tried to build her the best they could and seems like she can even come close to the units already out still
she is most likely gonna get buffed
unkempt arrow
I’m expecting a buff
still sedge
100%
unkempt arrow
Cuz why the hell do I have her most optimal attacking set
charred citrus
I’ll take some buffs 💪
unkempt arrow
With good gear
charred citrus
She aight otherwise.
unkempt arrow
Needing all this cycle just for 10k dmg ina turn
charred citrus
Fun for 3 wks
unkempt arrow
Haru does that on her own without all the cycling
charred citrus
I mean she calls her best card over and over
Cycling same diff
I think they played it safe bc she aoe
If freezing wasn’t unique it wouldn’t be op but more fun with copies
charred citrus
Nah she does more
still sedge
no way they didnt do dmg testing
unkempt arrow
Not by much
charred citrus
Khal has some shit synergy in her kit
unkempt arrow
It’s not like she’s knocking khal out the park or anything
charred citrus
She’d be more competitive with yuki if that wasn’t the case
By shit synergy I mean with memory fragments
Silver veil not getting justice bonus and shii like that
hallow trout
<@171812853676900352> also where this guy been
passed tf out
charred citrus
If you don’t have her e2 tho it must feel like complete ass compared to our fav units
charred citrus
Greed no?
unkempt arrow
If you don’t have her e2 tho it must feel like complete ass compared to our fav ...
Which is crazy
Why is Hugo running circles around her
At e0
charred citrus
I know but ppl are dramatic
How you guys like the new content I couldn’t run shit til now
still sedge
havent ran anything yet
rain rain
How you guys like the new content I couldn’t run shit til now
iunno, new content locked behind ridiculous acc lvl requirement for new accs
that's kinda iffy to me
still sedge
i played last night and im getting home soon
rain rain
most games you'd think the devs would want the new players to be able to play the event
but here you gotta wait at least 3-4 days if not doing gem refreshes to even unlock the damn thing
lyric osprey
charred citrus
but here you gotta wait at least 3-4 days if not doing gem refreshes to even unl...
35 isn’t so bad homie. Just feels like sweatshop labor bc you living it deprived rn
rain rain
I mean I don't think it's super duper bad
but it's still a couple days without refreshes, even using the free refresh items
most games the event is unlockable day 1 with a minor amount of effort
charred citrus
I expect they didn’t even think about it and figured 35 is a good or where ppl know what they doing
rain rain
just noting the discrepancy here
charred citrus
Yea events are usually low bar
rain rain
I expect they didn’t even think about it and figured 35 is a good or where ppl k...
bruh I doubt 35 would matter one whit for some ppl
hollow ledge
Record:
Shield card removed (0 first remove + 20 starting card Mei Lin)
Taking L...
(continuation)
Drone Bombing: divine (vytor) +20
Maneuvering Fire: picked normal epiphany, diallos divine trigger. (must check if code is buggy and applied 20)
Mei Lin: + Spirit of the Aromata
-------------- Soul Collector Defeated -------------
Duplicated Maribell Shelter Mk. II (have to check if 0 or 30 because it's first copy on Maribell)
------------- Zero Ended ------------------
rain rain
like, if it were 30 I'd be 100% okay with it
charred citrus
bruh I doubt 35 would matter one whit for some ppl
Most ppl just bad at the game too
That showcase was a perfect example actually
rain rain
cuz that shit is doable in 2-3 days
rain rain
yes and that's an extra day or 2
charred citrus
I rem 40 being pretty fast
rain rain
so new players just starting because of gooner yuki should be locked out of the event for 3-4 days?
that's all I'm questioning
hollow ledge
Selena: 100 points
Mei Lin: 60 points
Maribell: 40 points
hollow ledge
Ok time to check the numbers based on the records
charred citrus
But I I always did 2-4 refreshes the 50 and 70 cost to catch it up
rain rain
ngl I guess my worry is that they're going the genshin route where you gotta do all the previous main story content to unlock new events
so like next event will have a requirement of 45 or whatever
mystic mural
I mean half of the new stages are locked behind 50
Before that you can only go to chaos 3
charred citrus
Gotta carrot these lazy fks
rain rain
yeah, just kinda feels arbitrarily restrictive
rain rain
like I get it, but at the same time why can't we try hitting harder stages while underleveled?
charred citrus
Create fomo = more game time played = more $$
rain rain
timegating isn't fomo tho?
rain rain
timegating to an extent I can agree with, but having it extended into the events is kinda iffy to me
like why would someone even bother playing in the first place if they knew they were gonna be gated from enjoying the new content for a couple weeks?
that doesn't smell like a tactic to obtain new users at all
still sedge
couple week? doesnt take that long
rain rain
to hit 50?
still sedge
im 52 and how long game been out
rain rain
3 weeks
hence my point
it would be even longer for those not doing a lot of stam refreshes with gems
still sedge
the new event is locked behind the lvl 50?
still sedge
interesting
still sedge
id love to see the demographic of level players are atm
charred citrus
Go farm zero lowbie scum
rain rain
I mean
charred citrus
Lucky you get chaos 3 in event scum
0 star twilight fkers
Suffer
Play your free game
charred citrus
For hours and suffer!
rain rain
save myself the headache, leave that to fools
still sedge
tbh if you dont enjoy the game as is theres no point playing it anyway
im playing cuz i like the chaos stuff
charred citrus
Yea progression always part of gacha
rain rain
I enjoy the game, I don't enjoy the massive gatekeeping for literally 0 reason
it's an event
it's already timelimited, why you gotta limit participation further?
like, it should be exciting
being locked out of something arbitrarily because oh you didn't start day 1
still sedge
wait which event i time limited
both are 61 days
unless theres another event that is like 20 days im missing somewhere
rain rain
61 days seems like a lot but it really isn't when you need roughly 2/3rds of that to even unlock all the content of the event without doing refreshes I think
hollow ledge
Selena: 100 points. (since it's tier 8, selena reached the maximum possible which is 100 points)
20 early conversion (this means another 40 from added neutrals) - see Mei Lin section
20 removed shield card see Maribell section
30 neutral epiphany (10 each)
20 duped neutral (0 because first copy and 20 because it's an added neutral?)
40 duped neutral with epiphany (10 because second copy and then 20 because neutral and finally 10 because it had neutral normal epiphany? the reference did say plus any modifiers on duped card)
20 bought neutral
20 picked divine epi
so 60 + 20 + 30 + 20 + 40 + 20 + 20... that is a whole fucking 210 points yet my selena scored 100. so what the fuck happened here? i'll tell you.
the deck at 100 points saved:
3 maneuvering fires (2 conversions and 2 neutrals added means 30 + 30 = 60, then another neutral for an additional 20 meaning EIGHTY POINTS from that alone. no epis.)
drone bombing with divine epi (this is 20 points)
the shield card was restored even though i've removed it!!
conclusion: don't hoard too many neutrals lol
Maribell: 40 points
Bought neutral (20 points)
Removed basic attack (20 points)
This Maribell proves that when you remove cards, the cost increase is per character. Not shared. I removed her basic attack after I removed Mei Lin and Selena shields and I was not charged extra. This also goes for the copy cost; that's also per character - she has two shelter mk 2s and globally it was the third copy yet i was not charged additional points
Mei Lin: 60 points
10 early conversion
20 removed shield card
10 neutral normal epi
Mei Lin only checks out if we add another 20 because we technically added Sacred Strike by performing the conversion. I think it makes sense
I had five or six maneuvering fires in that run which led to that insane overfill number on selena
hollow ledge
Selena: 100 points
Mei Lin: 60 points
Maribell: 40 points
decks for reference
hallow trout
i was tired lol
lavish lark
this was with 100 points maximum.. I got fked cause Wanderer got epiphany on the boss, so they returned Whirlpool
hollow ledge
normal epiphany on wanderer?
hollow ledge
so you removed basic attack and whirlpool?
lavish lark
and deluge
hollow ledge
right, so that's 3 removes
0 + 10 + 30, 40 points
divine epi on character card is 20 points
removing basic another 20
lavish lark
wanderer 20.. the epiphany 10
lavish lark
also confirms deluge is not 20 to remove.. probably
hollow ledge
so pink cards have nothing special in terms of cost
lavish lark
rarity does not matter
hollow ledge
90 saved:
0 + 20 basic remove
10 deluge remove
20 divine epi
20 wanderer
wait
actually
lavish lark
I assume when u go over the limit.. points reflected are not correct
cause it scams something
hollow ledge
whirlpool was added back so the points were as if it wasn't removed
but you don't have deluge
and in my run i also don't have deluge but I didn't touch whirlpool
maybe pink cards do have a 20 remove cost after all
lavish lark
I would have known if wanderer didn't epiphany T_T
hollow ledge
the fuck
this is pre re-work
but
divine epi 20 + 3 copies (0 + 10 + 30)
60 points
and game says 50??
there is also a distinct lack of her purple card
i wanna shoot myself at this point
hasty hearth
this was with 100 points maximum.. I got fked cause Wanderer got epiphany on the...
the unseen epiphany be the deadliest