CZN gooner gang godz only

[mellow bolt]

seems like mei lin has no synergy with khalipe

[unkempt arrow]

Not the best but

Khal works with almost anyone

[faint onyx]

best waifu

I just know they'll make a lewd skin for her

I just cant prove it yet

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-doakes-squint-stare-suspicious-gif-14432154109786838518

alright I've decided, next team I take to level 50 will be Renoa

I already have Haru Khalipe to 50

Upgrading chars is so expensive

40>50 draought

[unkempt arrow]

Real

I just got my 7th lv50

It’s rough out here

[faint onyx]

7???

wtf

[faint onyx]

Bro I thought I saved up a lot of material

And I couldn’t even get Haru Khalp Mika to 50

I had to farm the exp stage

[unkempt arrow]

That realization hit different

[faint onyx]

My fault for spreading myself a bit more than I should

I like experimenting with units

I never touched the level 20 ones but I wanna try them

I heard Beryl+Orlea is fun

[unkempt arrow]

I use that combo

Orlea can boost beryl dmg a lot

And provide a variety of stuff

[rain rain]

sigh, keep getting trash runs, guess it's time to stop for a couple hours

most likely not, given there's not enough hours in the day for both games

I always find myself not having enough bandwidth as a person when it comes to games

like, I have so much I want to play but stuffing it all in a day on top of irl is just

no idea tbh

I can still play at least, but playing multiple gachas on top of regular games on top of irl + work isn't happening for me

being an adult sucks

[lyric osprey]

send help

https://tenor.com/view/marlon-wayans-haunted-house-buried-gif-23044321

[rain rain]

ngl I wonder if the devs are getting akick out of the stress caused by those missions, given the game theme and all

anyways afk for a while, got errands to run

[hasty hearth]

okay beat 8 with number 1 waifu renoa

enough zero system grind for me tonight

[mellow bolt]

you know HSR's roguelite mode?

same thing

like a super long reset period

i forgot the name

oh ya

simultated universe

[hasty hearth]

its chaos runs cept with affixes

so just harder chaos

but more rewarding and some stats via upgrade system

[hasty hearth]

yes

[lyric osprey]

Almost there 2 more lv

https://tenor.com/view/is-it-gif-20766212

[rain rain]

nice

[lyric osprey]

Need this too.. not to bad only lvl 25

[unkempt arrow]

Kayron players are happy

[lyric osprey]

Ngl I am

[mellow bolt]

@hasty hearth I got 5 copies of her today wtf

I just wanted some Mei Lin or rinoa dupes

[hasty hearth]

"casual in czn" he says

[mellow bolt]

I gusss the dream is over

[hasty hearth]

well lost the epiphanies but that's a lot of draw LOL

[mellow bolt]

I wanted Mei Lin dupes cause she felt terrible lol

There’s a monster card that lets you select a card from draw pile and it dupes it

I had 3 of them on Mika and when I was out I lost 2 lol

[hasty hearth]

yeah that card is the most op card

[mellow bolt]

Oh and the epi on it was 1 ap

[hasty hearth]

think it was in green planet

[lyric osprey]

What it's called

Can't see monster cards effect I never unlocked

[mellow bolt]

What does the score even do

That’s such a high score

You would think it would’ve kept most

[hasty hearth]

well got the chest as well

lets me discard up to 3 at the start and redraw

[rain rain]

it determines how much return currency you get for dismantling

if you mean the TB thing

[lyric osprey]

To me that the best chest period

Or piece of equipment

[lyric osprey]

Which one was it pls

[hasty hearth]

spirit kefox i think

[faint onyx]

People are shilling Beryl stonks now

[hasty hearth]

shes always been good just dont like her playstyle

[rain rain]

pretty much this

[hasty hearth]

gotta go fast

[rain rain]

also 4*, not hoog booba unit, and so on

[shut talon]

Yay killed it

[meager junco]

are u serious

[worn mortar]

i think at this rate

ur gonna quit before i start the game

[pseudo parcel]

Ehat should I use with mei lin?

[rain rain]

for what content

[meager junco]

ur mika now covers AP gain and Draw in one unit lul

tons of 4* lol

[meager junco]

holy fuck

[pseudo parcel]

farming chaos

[pseudo parcel]

holy fuck. Exhaust 2 AND 0 AP

[peak stirrup]

oh thats the card i was talking about

had a run with that but nothing else

[meager junco]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxpBsBtBw1A

what the hell did i just watch

blud dealing 29500 dmg in 2nd turn

[lyric osprey]

Oh I know that guy

[meager junco]

i was watching gacha smack livestream right now, i have a headach now

[lyric osprey]

Unfortunate wasn't very high run

Going to turn into something else now.

[meager junco]

good luck

[granite hull]

New lobby

[hollow ledge]

rin gives me enough cake

[lyric osprey]

[supple wasp]

@mellow bolt @hasty hearth

what was the dots team build again

[meager junco]

[neat grotto]

Actually massive

Im caking up rin to the max

[supple wasp]

wtf

how

[lyric osprey]

He probably stalled to infinity..

[charred citrus]

He has enough draw with nyx and vero to grab his mei’s 0 draw2 basic 4x

That’s 12 hits with the hit per passion card used finisher. He gets the rest of the hits from passion buffs plus vero draw. Small and tight deck less than 22 cards from the looks of it.

He basically drew the nuts on turn 2 tho. Sick deck

Gotta love nyx. Discard 3 draw 4 is sick

[lyric osprey]

That essential what I was running here.
My Selena is bad I need to redo her I wand this x2

[meager junco]

wtf

[lyric osprey]

???

And I thought I was lucky

[mellow bolt]

not sure about a specific dot team, but tressa hugo mika is suppose to create daggers to trigger hugo's followup

the dot is just a bonus

@hasty hearth did you say you run magna in chaos?

[charred citrus]

Gotta love Tressa

[mellow bolt]

i m debating whether i should build her since i have her at c6 now lol

[charred citrus]

lol build her man

[lyric osprey]

Same

[charred citrus]

C6! You can tank and lame the high planets

[hasty hearth]

i havent run her in chaos in a while

[mellow bolt]

i wonder how good is her dmg potential

[charred citrus]

Wait you do have khal tho..

[mellow bolt]

cause when i played her in cbt, even with the counters, it seemed slow

[charred citrus]

I bet if you play her with khal it be nice

I can’t look at her egos tho

[mellow bolt]

tbh if khalipe+magna together can do high chaos consistently

i would consider building her just for this

[charred citrus]

Shields are just so good in this game. Mag does bonus off others shielding I thought

[mellow bolt]

ya

[charred citrus]

I rem someone was using her heavily here

Wait till they weigh in ><

[mellow bolt]

i want to see someone do like a chaos 8+ with magna before i decide

i m doing chaos 7 and these runs are god awful

[charred citrus]

Not there yet. But been watching bread’s runs

[mellow bolt]

80% of the runs, i dont get any of the 3 selector epiphanies well into half of the interior (even with me selecting all epiphany options)

dont know if it's nerfed or what at these higher difficulties

[charred citrus]

Yea that’s ass.

Some of the DPS are too heavily reliant on specific epis. I think that’s why this guy loves vero

All her shii is good

[mellow bolt]

yeh hugo+tressa, vero, haru are all nice since they dont depend on anything

their base kit is alrdy good

like mei lin on the other hand...holy she's awful without her epi + dupes

[charred citrus]

Ya hugo has draw two on one of his basics too. It can get silly fast

[charred citrus]

Ya watching his t9 clear

He was just getting crit with mei w basics which was kinda pumping with his gear/egos

But his vero was carrying hard

[mellow bolt]

yeh he also has a c5 mei lin i think which helps

[charred citrus]

Yea I rem you mentioned it was high ego

Guys was critting often with his basics for 1.2k

Her deck was shit by end of the run

Just basic pumping

[lyric osprey]

Yeah it feels so bad

[charred citrus]

We have any info on chizuru

[mellow bolt]

yeh so i think the best way to push high chaos is to find a team that can just do it without relying too much on epiphanies

[supple wasp]

so just dagger spam?

can you show me your deck

[mellow bolt]

@charred citrus btw i stopped picking up epiphany on hugo's passive card

[charred citrus]

The outbreak?

[mellow bolt]

cause when you lose the passive that let's you start at the beginning, it really screws your run up lol

[mellow bolt]

ya

[charred citrus]

Yea never man

If you get a selector just fucking pray you get an option with outbreak lol

[mellow bolt]

ya 1 sec, when i find a checkpoint ill show you

[mellow bolt]

yep...if you dont get one with it, it makes the run so sketch lol

never seen a character with self sabotage before

[charred citrus]

Ya I just pray it doesn’t get touched.

[mellow bolt]

i got a god roll one on my main build though, it kept outbreak of war and it reduced the cost to 0

[charred citrus]

If you get fan upgrade you can salvage but yea it’s annoying

[mellow bolt]

so now i can use 3 shadow dagger upgrades + mika's upgrade at the beginning

[hasty hearth]

well just beat lvl 9 with bae renoa

[charred citrus]

There’s a sick upgrade for his fiver card(extra atk dmg buff)

[mellow bolt]

is she able to do it without a good build though?

[hasty hearth]

yeah most of my runs renoa shit epiphanies

[mellow bolt]

doesnt she rely on flowers

[hasty hearth]

no that just makes her giga op

the only dangerous parts with renoa run on void planet is floor 2

specifically towards end since those normal fights are huge sponge tanks that hit like a truck

[charred citrus]

There’s a group of 4 on yellow planet that scuffed my run twice

Stopped using her there 🙁

[hasty hearth]

this one i might die tho cuz lvl 10 with max health decrease and mobs get fury

prob looking to get 1 tapped

[mellow bolt]

btw speaking of which

ive never had issues with an elite

the only ones i ever lose on is from normal

lol

[hasty hearth]

honestly elites seem easier than normal fights towards end

but beginning elites can end runs

also kind of depends on the elite

like do i really want to fight the wolf elite on this planet where he gets buffed everytime i dont use an attack card

EHHHH probably not

[mellow bolt]

you run renoa with khalipe?

[hasty hearth]

yeah just been using renoa/khalipe/mika entire time lol

[mellow bolt]

hmm

i might keep trying khalipe and veronica

end said he's able to consistently beat chaos 9 with it

[hasty hearth]

idk what planet he does but

each planet u prob want different team

[mellow bolt]

ye

btw

i went from having no luke

to 3 copies of luke now

yesterday's pull session was awful

5 magna, 3 lukes, 2 orleas, 2 rins, 1 mei lin

[hasty hearth]

casual btw

[mellow bolt]

i dont want to build renoa cause she's at C0 lol

also wanted more mei lin so i dont feel bad about building her cause every run i ddi with her felt like shit

[hasty hearth]

mei lin always feels like shit if u dont get epiphanies

[mellow bolt]

yeh i dont think i use her in my chaos runs ever again lol

gonna get a build for her in something easy and call it a day

i m convinced these are not by luck anymore

i fail 75% of my dice checks when it's under 10 lol

all those probability equations they taught us in school is a lie

[rapid fulcrum]

literally no fails till now lol

[supple wasp]

@mellow bolt you can dm me and ill check it out

i just started using the poison deck

[gaunt sluice]

so ur capping out that weekly tech tree points purchases right

[mellow bolt]

this is the build i m using for my tressa mika hugo team

ideally cut down tressa to 7 cards with 4 shadow reloads

and ideally mika deck with all those 0 cost heal cards that gives ap and remove whirlpool

[mellow bolt]

you must not have been playing much

[gaunt sluice]

ideally mika with self sustained draw and ap gen

[mellow bolt]

ya trying to get to dice reroll

[mellow bolt]

u dont need mika to have draw on this team

heal = draw

[gaunt sluice]

nono

so u can infinite cycle

[mellow bolt]

that's impossible

unless you can pull from graveyard

or have like a giant deck

[gaunt sluice]

tho tbh i dont think itll work with tressa since she doesnt pull from grave and recycle

just creates a ton of shadow daggers

[hasty hearth]

could do it with mei lin instead of tressa possibly

but would require insane amount of draw power

like literally cycle ur entire deck every turn which unfortunately with gear bag u cant do since it gets exhausted

[charred citrus]

Gotta have nyx imo with mei. Bc if you have 3x copy of her 2basic draw that’s already 16 cards including draw and discard. If you have a few more draw cards you have a rly higher % turn 2 full deck cycle

If nyx ego up anyways… small deck would be op yea

Might regret going all in renoa but whatever. Surely they’ll let us get another 5* partner from that pool right…

I’ll grab that shii on my Haru khal acct

[mellow bolt]

that nyx card is insane btw

like when doing chaos runs and i get a bunch of debuff cards

can just replace them lol

[rapid fulcrum]

not much but I thought at some point I would have missed it (statistically

[hasty hearth]

how is it 16 cards u do realize the 2 strike cards with the 2 move basic isnt doing anything but moving those original 2 copies right?

3x copy + 2 basic = 5 cards

[hasty hearth]

meanwhile remember that partner tier list put nyx bottom tier

people fkin crazy anything that has draw power is automatically top tier

[charred citrus]

Oh durp you right. Got a lil excited there. Still 12 card potential is still sick

I mean draw 4 discard 3 is strong for 4 ego. Especially in chaos where you get shit hands kinda often on the first length of the run

[meager junco]

am i blind or is the middle one straight up the worst

[charred citrus]

To be fair it’s a customized size of draw power to smooth hands. Hard to value but when played you feel the qol

[charred citrus]

Never seen plus 1 dmg count. Is that just another hit?

[meager junco]

idk, reads to me as if this card hits like 6 times

idk

[mellow bolt]

ya i m not trusting any tier list until i see it from people pushing content way above their level

btw @hasty hearth do you do deep trauma

for pushing chaos zero

i just realized ive been doing deep trauma this entire time when i dont need to

[meager junco]

for this game here there is no tier list that makes sense, period

[charred citrus]

Werd

Lot of situationally good shiii

[mellow bolt]

oh wait

lvl 10 is max on chaos zero?

damn i thought it was infinite scaling

that's too bad

[meager junco]

i guess its 10 for now, prolly will upgrade it with time

[mellow bolt]

not if they follow HSR

cause it's suppose to reset

so you just do it again and again

with diff mechanics

[meager junco]

HSR DU doesnt reset

they upgrade it

[mellow bolt]

i mean same thing

they add rewards

[hasty hearth]

yeah always

[mellow bolt]

but difficulty didnt increase

[hasty hearth]

well

i feel like deep trauma always raises the chaos level faster

i did not deep trauma like 1 time and it barely raised the next choice

[mellow bolt]

oh lame

ya i m sticking to deep trauma

[hasty hearth]

idk couldve just been rng not like i exactly have a large sample size with just 1 time

[mellow bolt]

yeh but i guess doing deep trauma is also nice since you might get a nice build out of it

[hasty hearth]

@hallow trout do u know if not deep trauma raises the next choice chaos level slower than doing deep trauma

[hasty hearth]

ye exactly

i guess if u got bad luck with the choices and ur stuck with a kind of miserable planet with affixes

then u could do not deep trauma as extra precaution

[mellow bolt]

ya

[hallow trout]

no idea

[mellow bolt]

the only reason i m pushing is so i can get to wherever drops 3 memories

cause farming the memory dungeon right now is ass lol

[hallow trout]

at least renoa bug fixed @hasty hearth

but guess the breakdown bug was so important they gotta fix it twice

[mellow bolt]

@hallow trout do you only use khalipe+veronica for pushing chaos 10 or do you have other teams as well?

i guess vero + khalipe is really good since they dont require a specific build to be good

[hasty hearth]

didnt even know about that tbh lol

[hasty hearth]

HELL YEAH RENOA STONKS

[hallow trout]

uh I haven't tried any other teams since 8+

it just works so I kept it

8+ issue is the dmg hits hard even from just normal mobs so you need a dedicated shielder to avoid trauma pile up and death

[hasty hearth]

renoa worked for me in 8 and 9

going to try it in 10

[hallow trout]

so i guess if you can come up with some other tank down team should be fine

[hallow trout]

but you still had to use khalipe i assume

[hasty hearth]

yes sir

[hallow trout]

yea no khalipe prob cope

maybe magna could work dunno tho

[hasty hearth]

maybe but riskier

[meager junco]

its funny how prydwen still has not "tier list" out yet

[hasty hearth]

the nice thing about khalipe is her aoe chip damage while shielding at the same time

and her retain card is super useful as well

[hallow trout]

hard to tier list this game

[hasty hearth]

u could get away with magna in vero team maybe

[hallow trout]

ye the absolute protection saved alot of runs lol

[hasty hearth]

but with renoa dont think magna would work

[hallow trout]

gl on 10

if you get blue pot just ff

[hasty hearth]

nah

been void planet the entire time

fk blue pot

[hallow trout]

I just run swamp

[mellow bolt]

alright when i get to chaos 8 ill try this, the playstyle is nice, just a bit slow but it's comfy

[hallow trout]

since it has so many remove card events

[mellow bolt]

see @hasty hearth i told you, veronica best girl

[hasty hearth]

never got swamp as an option

[mellow bolt]

i knew it the first time i played her

[hallow trout]

vero card draw very nice

and just being able to chip dmg for free after setup t1

ideally you get epiphany for her hit through shields arrow

[hasty hearth]

i prob wouldnt use renoa in swamp

[mellow bolt]

in that team are you playing vero as a draw bot for Khalipe or are you building her as a DPS?

[hasty hearth]

the weakness bonus is massive

especially with all the free AP u get for breaking them easily

makes stress management better as well

fk

i feel like yuki is gonna be instinct single target dps

plz dont let it be true

[mellow bolt]

it would be hilarious if it was a mediocre AOE dps

following the footsteps of HSR

their first character was also a big single target dps that can go over and over again

then their 2nd was a mid aoe dps

[hasty hearth]

well seeing how few aoers we actually have might not be bad but yeah would have to wait and see

[mellow bolt]

praying itll be an OP dps

so i dont need to build renoa lol

btw when does chaos start dropping 3?

[hasty hearth]

tier 9 i think?

pretty sure its 9

[mellow bolt]

alright i think i start running a diff team other than hugo for chaos@charred citrus , hugo keeps gimping himself with epiphany and losing outbreak

[mellow bolt]

ah ok

[charred citrus]

Just run him for weakness

I think based on these guys pushing. Shielded/weakness dps/supp is the way to go

Unless you got whaled out units like bread

[mellow bolt]

yeh i m gonna do the vero khalipe team

[charred citrus]

I just got vero on my Haru khal acct. lmk how it goes homie

[hollow ledge]

ordnung muss sein

[mellow bolt]

yeh i cant compete aginst that i m a f2p

my c1 mei lin aint doing shit

[charred citrus]

Lol mine c0

Can always use hugo as supp dps too

[hallow trout]

both

[charred citrus]

I’ve been mixing orlea in and she is quite flexible if you know how to maintain toughies

Big shield or decent heals every rd with 3* for

[hallow trout]

I remove all of vero's basic cards except the arrow gen. get the hamster, get the draw 2

put in any free draw cards etc

I actually keep whirlpool on Mika for this team @hasty hearth will be happy to know

just cause its a 2 cost proc for khalipe

[hasty hearth]

knew u would come around

after seeing me survive cthulu thanks to the almighty whirlpool

[mellow bolt]

maybe i need to pull more

or buy khalipe dupes

mine is only c2

[charred citrus]

Wait for new banner no?

[mellow bolt]

yeh maybe i just do that

[charred citrus]

Nobody winning all 50-50 ><

[mellow bolt]

my luck with pulling has been kind of cringe

[charred citrus]

I’m hoping she’s lit. Go on a spree then

[mellow bolt]

i have maxed and almost maxed dupes on characters i dont plan on using but none on characters i do use

[charred citrus]

Yea that’s rough. You got your hugo done tho.

What’s your khal at? I still think c6 mag has to fuck

[mellow bolt]

yeh hugo was the only saving grace from my pulls lol hate to say it

my khalipe only c2

vero c3

[charred citrus]

Just push. Just don’t expect to do c6 work

[charred citrus]

You’re motivating me to play this Haru khal vero acct. Been so lazy on it. Just burning sta and dailies

[hollow ledge]

not this shit again bru

[hasty hearth]

@mellow bolt with all the pulls u did im sure u have a ton of the dupe currency tho right?

[meager junco]

nein

[mellow bolt]

not much left, i can only buy 3 more dupes, i alrdy spent a bunch on weapons and other dupes

but i dont really want to use it on standard banner characters ngl

[hasty hearth]

ye

[mellow bolt]

kind of a waste

[hasty hearth]

u might get them getting next banner character

so not worth

[mellow bolt]

yeh

[hasty hearth]

but then again

this is u we are talking about

why wait when i can have it now

[mellow bolt]

yeh i have conflicting thoughts lol

[hasty hearth]

resist the temptation

u can do it

[mellow bolt]

if i didnt do this so many times in single player gacha games before i wouldve easily maxed every unit

but from my experience they just all get powercrept so fast

[hasty hearth]

not to mention u will just naturally accumlate them no matter what

[mellow bolt]

and future character dupes just get more and more OP as a company needs to sell to match revenue projections for their dying game

[mellow bolt]

ya

[hasty hearth]

the free standard pulls we get and pulling on banners

[mellow bolt]

ive gotten so many extra copies above max dupe on standard characters in the past it's not even funny

biggest tilt

[hasty hearth]

just like ER

[mellow bolt]

ya ER was bad but

it was multiplayer and had pvp so i was able to be ok with it

but in a single player game with 0 competition

just feels bad lol

[hasty hearth]

not all of us can be galaxy whales like @hallow trout

must be nice being a rich korean ceo

[mellow bolt]

yeh end doesnt get feelings about bad luck

he earns 10k per minute

must be nice to be the ceo of hyundai

[hasty hearth]

woah woah that's too poor of a status

he's one of the heirs to samsung group

[mellow bolt]

oh he's your boss?

[hasty hearth]

yeah

im making him the money

while i get the table scraps

[mellow bolt]

probably expenses it all to the company too

for "research purposes"

dont worry i do it too

every dollar i spend, i write it off

[hasty hearth]

rich get richer

[hallow trout]

[hallow trout]

time to promote you to c suite but you keep your current salary

[mellow bolt]

triple the responsibility but same pay

[hallow trout]

[mellow bolt]

dont worry @hasty hearth the trick as an exec is, find the smartest people to work for you to make you look smart

it's kind of like a roguelike

you just gotta pick the best choices of their work

[hasty hearth]

dats fked up

[rain rain]

why is my immediate thought towards this convo "am I watching a potato farmer be promoted to company executive in real time?"

the confusion that would cause sounds about right tbh

[hollow ledge]

She is so pretty

[supple wasp]

@mellow bolt @hasty hearth which one

[hasty hearth]

nyx imo

[meager junco]

for supports Nyx is best

her support skill is insane

[mellow bolt]

yehh nyx 100%

these never show up when i have a good run with epiphanies

always the best mythic gear when it's a shitty run lol

[hasty hearth]

k beat lvl 10 with renoa

[crude oyster]

What level you guys at?

[hasty hearth]

account level? 47 for me

[rain rain]

lmao wtf

you know that boss that takes stupidly low dmg from attacks due to its stacks of that phlegm or w/e?

[hasty hearth]

ye

[rain rain]

elementless dmg apparently bypasses that

so veronica just goes brrr and nukes it

magna too with counterattacks

[hasty hearth]

its not elementless it's extra attacks bypass

[rain rain]

well it's basically same thing

[hasty hearth]

same with dirge bullets

[rain rain]

since all extra attacks are elementless afaik

[hasty hearth]

if by that u mean they dont trigger stagger then sure but i wouldnt call that elementless

they just all extra attacks lol

[rain rain]

well they can't deal weakness dmg

is what I mean

so elementless

[hasty hearth]

aka extra attack

[rain rain]

yes, which is why I'm saying same thing but this is a pointless argument too lol

my b on not having exact terminology lol

[hasty hearth]

i mean just use a term thats in the game that people understand instead of something that people won't know when reading it at first

[rain rain]

I'm half awake lol, sorry

[hasty hearth]

but ye pointless argument

nah all good

@hallow trout just do renoa for void planet

giga chill and easy

even 10 wasn't too bad and i didnt even have that great epiphanies

[drifting flame]

new unit?

[meager junco]

doesnt look like any of the leaked ones

i think its just an extra event

[hasty hearth]

@hallow trout is 10 highest?

[hasty hearth]

or they just 9000 iq and completely new character that was never revealed anywhere

[crude oyster]

Have you been max refreshing since day 1?

[drifting flame]

[hasty hearth]

i missed i think like 2 refreshes day 1

but other than that then yes

[mellow bolt]

@hasty hearth is there a dupe that makes renoa busted?

[crude oyster]

Hmm okie

[meager junco]

appearently its her

[crude oyster]

I'm like almost 42 now only

[hasty hearth]

2nd dupe i would say is huge power spike

[mellow bolt]

i thought you said it's broken

like doesnt work

[hasty hearth]

yeah it got fixed like today

end showed me the notes

so now we go BRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[mellow bolt]

oh

[hasty hearth]

4th one would also be good

[mellow bolt]

how much dmg do you usually do per turn

[hasty hearth]

last one is eh but free damage i guess

[mellow bolt]

on average builds

[hasty hearth]

like

4k every turn minimum ish?

[mellow bolt]

right off the bat?

without any epiphanies and gear

[hasty hearth]

llike fresh off the bat? No

need all her cards

[mellow bolt]

ah ok

[hasty hearth]

But fresh off the bat aint struggling with mobs

not even optimal gear as well

definitely want 4 piece crit damage set instead of void set

[mellow bolt]

debating whether to build renoa

or if it's bait

like mei lin

[hasty hearth]

but mei lin isnt bait

[mellow bolt]

she sucks ass in chaos

[hasty hearth]

i wouldnt say suck ass

but

i know what u mean

also ive only done void planet

[mellow bolt]

like her floor and ceiling is lower than hugo and haru team

[hasty hearth]

i definitely wouldnt bring renoa to bug planet

ill try her in swamp too and see how it is there

[mellow bolt]

did you try haru team

i m doing chaos 8 and i havent really struggled at all with hugo team but i want some diversity

my only option is haru khalipe or vero khalipe

not touching mei lin again lol

also since i m lvl 48 now it's prob better not to invest in a new character, and just farm up mats for existing teams

i would imagine once characters are max lvl, chaos 10 will be easy for any team

[hasty hearth]

nope havent done haru team in LONG time

i should tho my haru build is giga yikes

[mellow bolt]

this haru build goes insane

if you build khalipe and your support to have a lot of draws

puts retrieve on anchor shot with a combo +1

and a charge energy that amps by cards in hand

[hasty hearth]

yeah ever since renoa havent looked at haru

[mellow bolt]

you need to c6 yours that's why

[rain rain]

[hasty hearth]

uhh yeah no

[mellow bolt]

i mean

if youre gonna c2 your renoa

might as well c6 haru

[hasty hearth]

im not rich like u sir

[mellow bolt]

i only have c0 renoa

youre much richer

[rain rain]

[mellow bolt]

only reason i m not building her lol

[rain rain]

c6 hugo tho

[hasty hearth]

nice max dupe hugo, magna, and haru

[mellow bolt]

almost max dupe orlea , 1 away

why

[rain rain]

oh, yay

c2 rei, can finally start building renoa team with nia

[mellow bolt]

these games loves making me max characters they know ill never use first

i shouldve been like end and just pulled on first day and not put resources on anyone

so the game doesnt know what i want

i just need to constantly remind myself that if i wait, the limited units will come out soon enough

[hasty hearth]

question is

will moo be able to resist the temptation

[mellow bolt]

Maybe if I start playing dna again and just use stamina for mats and potentials in czn lol

Do this for 1.5 weeks

[hasty hearth]

again? U stopped?

[hasty hearth]

did u spend in DNA

actually

of course u did

how much

[mellow bolt]

[mellow bolt]

like 1k lol

[hasty hearth]

was it to max a character or something?

[mellow bolt]

i kept getting baited

by characters

and they all were so not fun to play with

then same with guns

[hasty hearth]

LOL

[mellow bolt]

i bought like 8 guns

[hasty hearth]

so u dont like any of the characters?

[mellow bolt]

like i just wanted a regular gun that felt good

instead every gun had like some bullshit effect

[mellow bolt]

i think it's just the game itself

after playing so many shooters and action games, it's hard to go to something with 0 impact

when i attack the monsters, the only thing that happens is their hp goes down lol

it's not exciting

[hasty hearth]

so is it like

[mellow bolt]

but ill still play it here and there if i want to turn off my brain for a sec and grind lol

[hasty hearth]

action open world mobile combat + dynasty warriors amount of mobs + slightly better movement?

[mellow bolt]

basically if you dont use guns, it's like dynasty warriors but everything is wuwa but worse lol

with the guns it feels a bit better cause you're shooting, but the guns are mid af lol

[hasty hearth]

k so nothing different from what already exists except monetization structure for the most part

and i guess co op

[mellow bolt]

if i never played TFD or warframe or destiny or wuwa or genshin impact, and this was my first game of this sort then ya

i would like this a lot

lol

[hasty hearth]

speaking of destiny

did u play their new game beta or whatever

heard the colors were BLINDINGGG

[mellow bolt]

hmm i never heard of it

only thing i know that is new is destiny rising

[hasty hearth]

Marathon

basically their take on extraction shooter

[mellow bolt]

ohh

hm

[hasty hearth]

heard it was destiny, but extraction shooter essentially

[mellow bolt]

everything is extraction lately lol

[hasty hearth]

trying to steal portion of tarkov's playerbase

especially since i heard they havent been doing well recently cuz of shit updates

[mellow bolt]

lmao what are these colors in marathon

[hasty hearth]

yeah heard that was the biggest complaint lol

[mellow bolt]

ya destiny fell off a long time ago

[hasty hearth]

oh not destiny but does apply to them as well

meant tarkov

[mellow bolt]

speaking of extraction shooters

arc raiders just came out lol

people love it

very positive on steam wow

it's rare these days for a new release on a big title to get that lol

[hasty hearth]

not huge fan of extraction shooters personally

[charred citrus]

Arc raiders is nexon no?

I heard good things too. Need to be back in la with my pc to play that

[hasty hearth]

no

if it was nexon u bet ur ass that would be mostly negative reviews on steam

probably something like "i have to pay per bullet fired? what's next pay for every step i take?"

[charred citrus]

Breath of air

[mellow bolt]

me neither but i m gonna try it, i keep trying to get into them but it's tough lol

i love me some battle royale but extraction games....

something about the concept of losing things if you die doesnt sit with me

then entering matches where people starting with better gear (if you have nothing)

i played a lot of fortnite and pubg back in the day, and those were fun, you go in do whatever, win or lose, doesnt matter lol

[charred citrus]

Dunno I always find those games are fun with the boys. It’s more immersive when your friends are about to lose everything 😂

[mellow bolt]

yeh these games with friends is always way more fun

playing with randos you never met is always weird, cause they dont care about saving you lol

they just want to save themselves and make sure they extract and keep their stuff

[hasty hearth]

this is exactly why i dont like it

ur time getting wasted

[mellow bolt]

like playing poe2 hardcore

except there are pkers in the world too

[hasty hearth]

yup

[charred citrus]

That I can’t do

There’s too much bs in that game to play hardcore

Random ass one shots. Only way to play safe is to play with no balls and low tier maps

[hasty hearth]

poe1 hardcore i can understand

poe2 tho

like last league

ritual bug with infinite hp mob that u cant kill and only way to get out is to die

nice poe2 hardcore run

[mellow bolt]

i spent like 10 min running in circles

thinking it was intended

eventually i just let them kill me

[charred citrus]

Yea last poe2 patch there was just so many ground effects

Range just always op. They need to remove tailwind from deadeye

[honest ingot]

@mellow bolt 1k dmg for a turn when DoT pop. I found that tressa really easy to build. Like if wanna go for DoT build bare minimum just need +12% att relic set. The rest just get att% and dmg overtime. Mine rn on 726 att with 30% damage over time.

[charred citrus]

77 agony procs? Noice

[honest ingot]

I believe can get higher yeah

[mellow bolt]

yeh i ran tressa with nothing lvl'd until chaos 8, then i swapped some gear on to her, she's really easy to build

[honest ingot]

Because per enhance, if u success to land on dot substats, it's like 3% increment if im not mistaken

[charred citrus]

Tressa just needs a space aids epi

Spread that shii

[mellow bolt]

what increases agony damage?

[honest ingot]

DoT substats moo

And att stats yeah

So yeah, need morale buff too

[charred citrus]

There’s a set specific for agony too I think?

[honest ingot]

Increase dmg against target that get agony

Idk if that can increase DoT, never try

Void set not affect agony dmg, i tried

[mellow bolt]

hmm so just atk% and dot%

[honest ingot]

Yeah pretty simple

[hasty hearth]

okay but

[honest ingot]

But if u wanna go min max then probably u want crit chance dot and att% as substats

[hasty hearth]

why would i want to dot them up turn after turn

[honest ingot]

I mean if u really wanna be nitpick

[hasty hearth]

when i can just kill them in 1

[honest ingot]

Yeah that

[mellow bolt]

tressa isnt the main dps tho

she's just the enabler for hugo

the dot is like a bonus

[honest ingot]

More like, idk, u have spare gear and just wanna slap on tressa. So yeah, such approach should work

[hasty hearth]

yeah tressa just hugo simp

[mellow bolt]

i remember i tried to play tressa as a main DPS in the playtest

she was so ass that i almost didnt build her for this launch

what is the level cap of characters in czn btw?

[hollow ledge]

the maneuvres of agony

[hasty hearth]

60

[charred citrus]

60 I thought.

[mellow bolt]

oh nice

[charred citrus]

Resources to 50 were

[mellow bolt]

we're max lvl as soon as we hit lvl 50 acct

[hasty hearth]

yeah i might be lucky to have 1 character at 60 when im 50

[mellow bolt]

i m starting to farm mats now

[charred citrus]

I still don’t have 50 partners just one team of 50 combs

See how many I can get done since sta reset

[meager junco]

i farm for 60 once i hit 50 lol

im maxing out potential atm

[charred citrus]

Your sexy rin

How much crit chance now?

[meager junco]

48,3%

i didnt farm any gear realy yet

[mellow bolt]

ill be almost half way to 49 today, so if i farm mats, i should be able to ascend both teams

prob wont have the mats to actually lvl them to 60 though

[meager junco]

im halfway to 47

[neat belfry]

just noticed prywden finally has a tier list now, they got best boy on top

[meager junco]

T0 furry

lulz

[charred citrus]

Mine is c1 lol

[meager junco]

their list ist is eh

Orlea T2? ....

[charred citrus]

Team only lacks shields. I’m gonna test them with some orlea runs

Yea I agree with you. Ppl sleeping on her

[hasty hearth]

how dare they put renoa at t1

[charred citrus]

If you don’t have khal. She kinda slaps for flex shielded

[hasty hearth]

automatic trash tier list

[charred citrus]

Put her next to rin ….

[mellow bolt]

miracle renoa not on top, he cant agree with this

[charred citrus]

Owen is also bottom tier?

I dunno since so many 4* are quite good with ego maybe they have no clue

Or didn’t read his shit

Also a solid flex shielder but he can’t heal like orl

[mellow bolt]

tbh a tier list for CZN doesnt make sense unless you break it up

one for chaos and one for outside of chaos

some units are dogshit in chaos but can be gods outside

aka they have a super high ceiling but super rare to get there

[charred citrus]

Ya with good rng almost any 4* kit can get patched up with the right neutrals

[mellow bolt]

oh thank god lol

let me go ttake a look at this

[meager junco]

lol

chaos is where its at xD

[mellow bolt]

ok

there is no tier list under chaos lol

ill wait

[meager junco]

there wont be

ever

[hollow ledge]

did i get punished for losing the 2nd boss?

[hasty hearth]

thats what i call an OOF

[hasty hearth]

probably and save data has limit ull lose a lot of epiphanies

thats what harder difficulty is for u get to save more of ur stuff

[hollow ledge]

right, the limit

i need to get this account to lvl 40

[thick relic]

Does anyone has a khalipe acct that doesn't bot want....?

[mellow bolt]

i died to a npc drone in tutorial @hasty hearth

[dawn thunder]

I just gave one away TT

[mellow bolt]

i unloaded 3 magazines on it with an AR and it didnt die and it killed me in 2 hits

[hallow trout]

[mellow bolt]

try it @hallow trout

arc raiders

if we ever have to live in the apocalypse IRL, we'll be rdy

[thick relic]

Nuuuuu

[neat belfry]

i would give u mine but its bound to one of my emails unless i can unbind

[thick relic]

Quit?

Or 1 too many?

[neat belfry]

its was a potential main acc i had but ended up using a diff acc

its lvl 14

[thick relic]

Oh wow

[dawn thunder]

Holyyy

Better than mu acc rn frfr

All the necessity

[rain rain]

rip it not keeping the +1 ap on the original repose

weapon also kinda trash but eh for a drawbot that's not as much of an issue

[charred citrus]

When flaps take on new meaning

Why her sword look like a lance smh

[gaunt sluice]

oof

i made my way up to 51

tyrant 4

its over for me

[charred citrus]

Sheesh you goin ham huh?

[gaunt sluice]

i had bad luck trying to get 51

and the one i got

[charred citrus]

One team 60?

[gaunt sluice]

was tyrant 4

[charred citrus]

Oh you mean index

Gotcha

[gaunt sluice]

nah spamming zeros

to level up a index

to 51 so i can raise difficulty

[charred citrus]

That bread guy beat tier 9 tyrant 4 with Mei vero mika

[gaunt sluice]

+0 mei +0 vero?

[charred citrus]

Hell nah hahaha

[gaunt sluice]

or a whaled out one

[charred citrus]

He not like us

[gaunt sluice]

cause +2 makes huge difference already

[charred citrus]

Yea some are huge

What are you running? I haven’t had time so have only done a handful. 4 but didn’t push diff hard was trying to make sure I got the decks I needed

[gaunt sluice]

im right now using mika magna vero

[dawn thunder]

is kayron/tressa/mika better or kayron/rei/mika?

[runic jewel]

Use rei/cassius

Nia can work tho

Cassius has a lot of search cards and draws cards based on completing quests so more atk cards you want and bullets for renoa

[rain rain]

sadly don't have

hence why I'm going nia, as it's team 2 and mika in team 1 obvs

[charred citrus]

Nia is good too if you make use of her ego and plan around it. It’s just that Cassius can do it multiple times with shuffle epi

[hasty hearth]

da fuq

[mellow bolt]

How did I over cap my health lol

[hasty hearth]

hax

[mellow bolt]

Ya the game is boring af, probably will get more interesting later

I did 5 rounds just now, looted 2-3 major buildings each time and fought nothing but drones

And extracted

This would’ve been more fun as a battle royale

[hasty hearth]

oh is this arc raiders?

[mellow bolt]

Ye

[hasty hearth]

i find extraction shooter not that different from BRs which i also dont like

only difference is u start out with good shit in extraction (or at least the goal) and in BR u dont

[mellow bolt]

extraction shooters ppl are too scared to be wreckless

in BR some people just want to fight right away lol

in extractions, like most people just want to loot lol it's so boring

btw for CZN, is there any way to play on PC without stove or an emulator?

stove is the most annoying shit, it keeps popping up messages about being disconnected or something

[hasty hearth]

dont think so

[mellow bolt]

damn

[mellow bolt]

btw you should start using stamina on mats for leveling

it takes sooooo much

[hasty hearth]

yeah i did

i have promotion mats for khalipe and renoa

[mellow bolt]

nice ya i have mine for hugo and khalipe

i think if we only use stamina for mats, we might be can do 2 teams by the time we hit 50

prob not partners though lol

the next 1.5 week is basically mats and passives

and gear if it's a good pull from chaos

[hasty hearth]

@mellow bolt magna is weird none of the sets are good on her so got to do some weird 2/2/2 with probably like crit damage/hp/def

she also just feels worse to use than khalipe overall

[faint onyx]

I personally starting using the discard all

The dopamine hit is too high

Basically Renoa/Kayron if they wore a school girl outfit

With your anchor buffs that multiplicative I hit the chaod boss for 1.8k without crit

And my gear is ass

Will try the combo anchor next

No setup needed either

[runic jewel]

How do I craft equipment?

[charred citrus]

Yea? I’ll hunt a new build on her

[runic jewel]

I wanted retrieve in my anchor pointer 🫠

[charred citrus]

Fellow pulverize enjoyer I see

[runic jewel]

More a renoa enjoyer

But have to show my second team a little love

[charred citrus]

Just a solid card for her

I’m learning the ways with renoa

I tried the Nia ego and cass shuffle combo. Pretty nasty tbh

Works well when you don’t get her busted flower and just ridiculous when you do

[unkempt arrow]

475439391319

Add me!

Imma redo this chars spread

Need to switch some

[charred citrus]

Haven’t done any. They should do something for the social/guild aspect asap -_-

[unkempt arrow]

[hasty hearth]

@hallow trout beat swamp 10 with renoa i even picked shit epiphany cuz i didnt read

also wtf the achievements dont retroactively complete

just beat swamp 10 and only unlocked "clear swamp 5" achievement

[runic jewel]

Renoa is best

[hasty hearth]

❤️

[mellow bolt]

damn, is magna not good at shielding compared to khalipe?

tbh khalipe is doing like 0 dmg when i run her, she's just a shield bot lol

[hasty hearth]

its not so much the shielding

[mellow bolt]

also i did a chaos 9 with haru but i had a GG build

[hasty hearth]

but the aoe damage and other utility she brings

magna literally only brings counter, vuln, shield

[mellow bolt]

they added the shield back

this couldve been good

[hasty hearth]

khalipe can vuln, shield, aoe damage, retain ur hand

[mellow bolt]

retrieve on all anchors lol

[mellow bolt]

yeh well not like im ever gonna be build magna anytime soon anyways lol

at this point we're sticking with the teams we alrdy have

unless we wanna gimp our progression

[hasty hearth]

shes also like

giga ap hungry IF the leads dont proc

basing my efficieny on 50-50's is not fun

[rain rain]

hold shit it saved

[hasty hearth]

crystallization is also an ass mechanic

it's like giga fkin bad

[rain rain]

the retrieve on flower means I can double whack with last ditch

[mellow bolt]

you gotta wait til when everything is maxed though

to see

[hasty hearth]

i dont need to

crystallization is 20% fixed shield

[mellow bolt]

right now some things will be better for pushing above their content

[hasty hearth]

5 stacks of it means 100%

which is literally worse than her 1 cost shield

get 2 crystallization per turn on 1 of her cards

40% fixed shield

[rain rain]

well, crystallization applies to her "gain shield via ability, get counterattack"

[hasty hearth]

yeah i know

[rain rain]

so I'd say even tho it's ass its still okay, just not great

[hasty hearth]

but it's not even good

the main problem is that

[rain rain]

it's useful if you don't have another shield source that turn

but with magna that's kinda iffy to happen

[hasty hearth]

u need shield to survive the hit in order to get bonus counterattack damage

and idk what the proc mechanics are for her to slap 50 bajillion times

[mellow bolt]

it's to help her build counter attack

everytime she gains a shield, she gains a stack

[hasty hearth]

but pretty much ur just countering 2 times against a single enemy

im just sitting on 10 counters constantly

[mellow bolt]

and you do no dmg with 10 counters per turn?

[hasty hearth]

if they all procced everytime

then the damage would be respectable

but no it's essentially like

340 damage worth of counters majority of the time

[rain rain]

it really depends on content imo

if you're bringing magna into a bossfight she's not gonna do much beyond support

if you're fighting a high count mob wave she's gonna go nuts

if built properly anyways

[hasty hearth]

not really the only conceivable situation where u would bring magna is

1. u want vuln and dont have khalipe
2. for some reason they have a boss where extra damage is the only way to do damage to it and u dont have renoa/veronica/tressa quite literally any other source

oh also her 2 cost that converts damage to shield

ONLY GIVES SHIELD IF U ACTUALLY DAMAGE THEIR HP

if ur hitting a shield then u get 0 shield from damage done

20/10

[rain rain]

this is why I go aoe or +50% dmg when enemy is shielded for that epi

and don't bother with it for shields beyond the aoe version

[hasty hearth]

there is no conceivable realistic situation where i would go "yeah i want magna here instead of somebody else"

legit only reason is u want to play counterattack playstyle or shes ur waifu

[rain rain]

or you need craptons of extra attack dmg and veronica alone isn't enough

[mellow bolt]

one day theyre gonna release a character that can drop a casual 1k shield per turn

we're gonna revisit this convo

[rain rain]

but that's the extent of it

[hasty hearth]

veronica alone isnt enough???

nice meme

[iron marsh]

Im playing Magna main because of this tbh lol

[hasty hearth]

one of the safest teams for t10 zero system is vero/khalipe/mika

[iron marsh]

counter attack waifu

[rain rain]

if your'e pushing content while underleveled/geared I could see it

[mellow bolt]

how much dmg is your vero doing usually per turn without using her ego skill

[rain rain]

but I'm not saying I disagree with you

[hasty hearth]

u asking the wrong guy i dont play vero in chaos

[hasty hearth]

thats also completely wrong

she doesnt do enough compared to other combatents

if we take a 1 to 1 comparison of magna and khalipe

[rain rain]

no, but she provided high survivability

[hasty hearth]

no

she provides even less than khalipe

[mellow bolt]

i did it once, and the run felt so sketch cause the dmg was so low - so vs an enemy that scales up, itll just eventually kill you

since you cant kill it fast enough

[iron marsh]

I actually use them both together because then Magna can trigger Khalipe's counter attacks

[rain rain]

yes, and not everyone has khalipe

[iron marsh]

One of Magna's epiphanies is an upgrade which makes all counter attacks AoE

[hasty hearth]

yeah u also forget that costs 2

[iron marsh]

Tis fine

[hasty hearth]

and khalipe doesnt need to do anything for aoe

[iron marsh]

2 cost can trigger Khalipe's celestial procs

[hasty hearth]

yeah

but i can also just kill them instead

like ???

[rain rain]

I guess what I don't understand is why you're getting mad or whatever when you have khalipe