CZN gooner gang godz only

[hasty hearth]

"main this plays like some cheap mobile mmo"

[neat grotto]

but

[hasty hearth]

well maybe thats cuz

[neat grotto]

I know better

[hasty hearth]

u are playing a mobile mmo

[neat grotto]

Yeah

Ppl forget

This shit just has a client for pc

But its a mobile game

[mellow bolt]

ya no more single player gacha games for me lol, i made an exception for CZN cause of the roguelike

[hasty hearth]

rougelike gacha the future

[mellow bolt]

but after today's MoC, i m kind of dissappointed

[bold marlin]

what happened

[mellow bolt]

and from here on out, i alrdy know the story of what's gonna happen

powercreeping monsters

debuffs / buffs for new characters

just like HSR

[hasty hearth]

"not gonna max characters" - Moo 2025 -> maxed hugo shredding through content -> game is too ez

[lyric osprey]

[mellow bolt]

that happened not by choice damn

[bold marlin]

but you succumbed to it xD

[hallow trout]

universe decided to turn moo into czn furry that day

[neat grotto]

guys

[hasty hearth]

the challenge basin some stages i had to do couple times to 3*

[neat grotto]

Lets all quit until arknights endfield

Deal?

[meager junco]

no

go quit alone

[bold marlin]

i need them to announce king's raid

[hasty hearth]

arkknights endfield?

[lyric osprey]

Heck no

[neat grotto]

Been waiting on that shit

[mellow bolt]

the end game moc is quite easy even thoughg we're like so many levels behind the recommended, the first cycle of MoC in HSR was harder ngl

[hasty hearth]

easy skip

[bold marlin]

oh i see

[hasty hearth]

dont listen to him

[neat grotto]

Isnt that the thing with roguelike card games

[hasty hearth]

it's actually decently challenging especially if u not spenders like us

[neat grotto]

Can find a good build

Trivialze content

[hasty hearth]

but it definitely isnt like anything crazy difficult i agree with that

[bold marlin]

that was gonna be my next question, miracle lmao

[mellow bolt]

ya the roguelike part is really good for CZN

[lavish lark]

lets not forget he maxed Haru without knowing what she does

[mellow bolt]

but you need a north star to keep minmaxing

[hasty hearth]

yeah meanwhile it took couple tried for 3* on some of the stages

truly whale diff

[lavish lark]

Miracle acting like he is f2p

[bold marlin]

im a simple guy. if content too hard and i have to spend, i quit =]

[mellow bolt]

miracle literally has all whaled characters

[hasty hearth]

lets be real compared to @hallow trout i am f2p

[mellow bolt]

pretending like he's f2p

[neat grotto]

Hes missing 3 units

That isnt maxed

[hasty hearth]

correction

missing 1

[neat grotto]

Wait

[hasty hearth]

he can buy 2x dupes of all the characters

[lavish lark]

let me show you f2p .. this account was a reroll of 3 SSR In the first 2 10pulls

[bold marlin]

damn you only have like 1 viable team lol

[neat grotto]

Its okay

My acc looks loke that

2 rin 1 mei lin

[hasty hearth]

no renoa

bricked

[neat grotto]

1 khalipe

[hasty hearth]

🧱

[lavish lark]

didn't u reroll like yesterday @neat grotto ?

[neat grotto]

Nah i was playing 2 accs

But yeah

Im day 4 rn

Fuckin affinity 5

Bricked me

[bold marlin]

no affinity pack. trash game

[neat grotto]

Actslly

No good packs

Why is stam pack

2 refill for 7 cad

Like seriously

Game might as well be f2p

[lyric osprey]

Meanwhile I'm lookin at this

[bold marlin]

the trick is let your american friends buy packs for you. cheaper that way

[lavish lark]

level 10 wtf

[neat grotto]

I dunno man

Paypal

Is so scuffed

[bold marlin]

i never had issues with pp

[neat grotto]

The extra fees

[lyric osprey]

Tell me about it smh.

[bold marlin]

ah yeah i can see that

[mellow bolt]

these ppl going on lvl 10, meanwhile i just hit lvl 5

[lyric osprey]

I only got the BP that about it. ~~ and the scam stam pack~~

[lavish lark]

yeah u changed mains.. ur fault.. became a furry

[neat grotto]

Ur rin aint lvled

[mellow bolt]

nahhh my main is still khalipe

i m giving her my all

[lyric osprey]

I'm not touching that hoe

[mellow bolt]

just gave her a cake today

[lyric osprey]

[neat grotto]

Shes fun bro

My main

[lavish lark]

no shot u still level 5 affinity tho.. u ain't fooling anyone

[lyric osprey]

I already have Kayron

[neat grotto]

She alr got cale

Cake

[lyric osprey]

I got cake at home

[lyric osprey]

[neat grotto]

Why is ur tag

Can

Czn

And not eog

[lyric osprey]

[lyric osprey]

Been CZN ever since they let us pick it

Because I've been waiting for it, for ever

[hallow trout]

im bait gang

[neat grotto]

Im f2p gang

[ripe crest]

I'm still rr-ing gang

[lyric osprey]

Only the BP was worth anyway. And I hate haru she isn't fun

Waste mat on her

[bold marlin]

damn is haru that bad

[lyric osprey]

Nothing worth pulling

[neat grotto]

getting her to 50 was a scam

[lyric osprey]

I just don't like her

[neat grotto]

At least 40 for the pulls

[gaunt sluice]

pair half hp with tyrant 4

[hasty hearth]

trueeeee

[neat grotto]

I like how the devs did the event stages

They showcased her with multiple team compa

Comps

[gaunt sluice]

i liked that too

[neat grotto]

Actually pretty smart

[gaunt sluice]

like she hits hard because of gear but

[lyric osprey]

Ngl she was good in event, she just not fun to me

[gaunt sluice]

it’s too ap costly to swing

[neat grotto]

YO speaking of

That nun girl

With the sword

Looks nice

[lyric osprey]

Who

[ripe crest]

yea there are some 🔥 looking units... that are bad 🙂

[gaunt sluice]

maybe she could be a lot better if she got epihany from marsh

-1ap cost

gonna make haru much much better

cycle the anchor more

[neat grotto]

Temporary ally

With that combo skill

[bold marlin]

maybe when yuki drops, it'll help you guys forget about haru xD

[lyric osprey]

Oh yeah

[gaunt sluice]

i also realize

[lyric osprey]

I already erased her from my memory

[gaunt sluice]

i don’t need a tank do i

[bold marlin]

well shit lmao.

[hasty hearth]

hope shes a vanguard

aint nobody need another dps

[bold marlin]

true

[lyric osprey]

Real

[bold marlin]

or healer

need a pure ssr healer

[gaunt sluice]

i would like another self ap draw engine

[lyric osprey]

Give us someone that isn't Mika ty

[mellow bolt]

khalipe legit never wanted to come on a walk since day 1, she baited me fr

[mellow bolt]

that's true, one of the cakiest, the main reason miracle plays her

[lavish lark]

screenshot or didnt happen

[lyric osprey]

Ngl I feel you had the same issue before I opened more meeting spot

🫂

[hallow trout]

[bold marlin]

@hasty hearth she feels like a 4* vanguard

[hasty hearth]

aint no way 4*

[ripe crest]

wait. should we not be rr-ing?

[lyric osprey]

Yeah aint no way

[bold marlin]

shes probably not. but idk why i get the feeling she is

[hasty hearth]

dont listen to end hes a galaxy whale

[ripe crest]

oh f that 🙂

[lavish lark]

you are gonna hold ur pulls for next limited anyways.. so might wanna take ur time

[lyric osprey]

This was my rr

At least I'm guarantee whatever is next

[ripe crest]

i'm just trying to get khalipe off of the beginner discount banner

[gaunt sluice]

does targeted pity carry over?

i’m just trying to get veronica dupes

[lavish lark]

yes

[gaunt sluice]

o

then i don’t need haru lol

[mellow bolt]

oh ya i m not going the bottom path, trying to rush the top path for dice one day lol

[lyric osprey]

I want that lvl 10 friendship

[gaunt sluice]

i went middle path

[lyric osprey]

[hasty hearth]

need them event encounter rerolls bad

[gaunt sluice]

then top as filler

so policies cycle more often

so i can xp faster

[lyric osprey]

Best thing about our banner has to be this.

Unlike HSR and the others

[neat grotto]

69

[hasty hearth]

we talking 1% rate instead of .6% right?

[unkempt arrow]

Why are u fighting that

[gaunt sluice]

wanted to try it

it wasn’t a good idea

[unkempt arrow]

[lyric osprey]

The fact they get added to standard

But the 1% too

[hasty hearth]

and less to pity

[lyric osprey]

Everything is better

[gaunt sluice]

i still haven’t redeemed my 300 pull selector from standard

is that a one time thing

or is it recurring

[hasty hearth]

yes 1 time

[gaunt sluice]

dang

but ballista

i have her

but i want dupes

i have a copy of meilin

[hasty hearth]

how bout

[gaunt sluice]

i don’t use her

[hasty hearth]

instead of either of them

u go renoa

best girl

[gaunt sluice]

i have

budget her

[lyric osprey]

Legit will do that if I don't get her

[gaunt sluice]

aka tressa

[hasty hearth]

dont u dare compare my girl

to some hugo simp girl

[gaunt sluice]

LOL

but i refuse

and i have him at +2

let me see what i have again

[hasty hearth]

honestly

just go the total opposite

go hugo

actually too good

go luke

[gaunt sluice]

tbh

probably yeah

i wanted +2 veronica effect though

so she stops randomly targeting

[hasty hearth]

im at +3 veronica

never use her for dps

i dont even use her outbreak of war create a ballista

[lavish lark]

If I had my selector.. i would probably wait to get a dupe on any SSR.. and select that one..

[hasty hearth]

just draw draw draw

[gaunt sluice]

but free 4k+ damage atm

[hasty hearth]

rookie numbers

[gaunt sluice]

i can go higher

if i had gear

[lavish lark]

what do u use it for then

[hasty hearth]

and i dont got to hear her shout everytime a ballista goes off

[gaunt sluice]

and buff/debuff setup

[hasty hearth]

draw draw draw

[gaunt sluice]

oh

mine draws for free too

[lavish lark]

there's no draw outbreak

[gaunt sluice]

2 draw 0 cost

[hasty hearth]

oh u mean what i use in opening?

i use triple create dirge bullet duh

[gaunt sluice]

lol

oh it’s reset time

[lavish lark]

so.. if u get 5 outbreaks on a team.. do you always get the same first hand?

[hasty hearth]

yes u do

[lyric osprey]

Mircale trying to sell us his dps girl. Ngl I wish I had her she look so fun

[hollow ledge]

i won't have to worry about enemies clogging my deck if i clog it with dirge bullets instead

[lavish lark]

imagine 5 maneuvers

[gaunt sluice]

i messed up my deck once

[hasty hearth]

yeah sorry no room for creating ballistae here

got too many dirge bullets to create

[gaunt sluice]

becuase i only made someone upgrades only

then they got hit with breakdown

never got out of breakdown

[hasty hearth]

thats nerfed as well

damn game added back in basic card and lost epiphany on maneuvering fire

[hasty hearth]

jeebus renoa last node hard to activate

need 60% crit for bonus

[lavish lark]

@mellow bolt did you figure out how not to get the laziness card after failing a run ?

cause i just got screwed by the cards

look at this shit

[hasty hearth]

oh did u pick the turn 3 neutral cards?

[lavish lark]

yeah

the other 2 were dogshit

so wanted to gamble..

[hasty hearth]

i never pick that with mei lin

because of that

[rain rain]

get to a waypoint then quit

literally just need to unlock save data acquisition for a run to not proc the laziness card next run

[lavish lark]

if u get an epiphany on every character be4 the waypoint.. can I escape then?

[rain rain]

don't think so, it's the save data possible that matters

and you need to hit first waypoint to unlock that

[lavish lark]

epiphany creates save data no?

[rain rain]

no?

you need the ability to RETAIN the save data

which needs that first waypoint

you could try it if you want tho

[lavish lark]

does that mean if u escape be4 first waypoint they all get sent to epione ?

[rain rain]

no?

it just means you get the laziness card next run

[lavish lark]

uhm

[rain rain]

that's what I'm saying

look at the comment I responded to above

[gaunt sluice]

i never left at waypoint

what is this laziness card

[rain rain]

it's not an actual card, it's one of the chaos start cards

where you left before waypoint the previous run iirc

[lavish lark]

its a fate that gives u 10% max hp.. and u dont get to choose anything else

[rain rain]

yea

[gaunt sluice]

o

so to prevent that u have to at least reach a waypoint then quit the run?

[rain rain]

yes afaik

[meager junco]

https://i.imgur.com/IzjM9n4.png

[rain rain]

grats lol

[gaunt sluice]

the hecc

op

[meager junco]

out of mats

but JEJAS

[drifting flame]

[meager junco]

40% crit rate

can still get 8% from potential and another 15 from last node

would set me up to 63%

[gaunt sluice]

im still trying to get potentials done before doing gear runs

[drifting flame]

does the cost 1 set effect work on cards whose cost that have been reduced to 0?

[meager junco]

2800dmg one skill xd

[hasty hearth]

basically to prevent people from leaving immediately if the starting 3 choices for the run (card selection buff) isn't what u wanted

if u restart u get laziness as the only option which is 10% max health

[gaunt sluice]

ballistas dont count as any cost cards for cost bonuses right?

[hasty hearth]

correct dont think it even shows a cost

[gaunt sluice]

the only modifiers it can use is “creation” and “extra attack” right?

[hasty hearth]

attack scales with it too

[gaunt sluice]

yeah extra attack scale of atk, crit

[hasty hearth]

but for other mods

yeah extra attack or something that says "when a card is created" or anything like that

[drifting flame]

can i use the 4 set cost 1 gear on meilin?

[rain rain]

if it calcs based off the base card cost, yes, if not no

[drifting flame]

[rain rain]

I would assume yes

but not 100% sure on that

[hasty hearth]

someone told me it should be based on original cost not what end cost becomes

not sure if true or not tho

[gaunt sluice]

i think its original cost

[hallow trout]

you farm gear dungeon or just chaos runs?

@hasty hearth best way to farm for gear im pretty sure is chaos zero runs lol

60 stam for 3 legendary

[hasty hearth]

sorry im not a pig lucker like u

[meager junco]

i was doing the mission so 12 runs it was

and yeah, chaos is better

u can legit select what u want

[hallow trout]

wtf this wasnt luck

[meager junco]

if u see gear u dont like, u skip it

[hasty hearth]

i havent seen 3 yet

[hallow trout]

its pretty consistent @hasty hearth you just need to farm difficulty 9

[meager junco]

lol

[hallow trout]

[hasty hearth]

ah yes makes sense

sorry my f2p ass isnt on difficulty 9 yet

[hallow trout]

just run the broke back mountain team

khalipe, veronica, mika

almost impossible to fail chaos runs with that unless you int your paths

[hasty hearth]

resident sleeper

[faint onyx]

Am I just dogshit? Anyone have tips for beating this? I beat every Diffculty 4 in Nightmare besides this first one

The boss just fist me

[meager junco]

BRO

EPIC PIECE

[hasty hearth]

da fuq

did they change ultimate keyword to finale?

[meager junco]

eatinnn goooood

[faint onyx]

Yeah

[hasty hearth]

meme epiphany

gain +1 AP

but finale

[meager junco]

sadge it went once into atk%

[hasty hearth]

[hallow trout]

yep LOL

[meager junco]

would love crit dmg but it is what it is, gotta reach 1k atk anyways

[hallow trout]

imagine hitting divine epiphany draw +1, ap +1 on FINALE cards

[meager junco]

damn son im left with 1.44m credits

[hallow trout]

yep welcome to credit drain

500k credits to promote lv50 to 60 to so keep that in mind

[meager junco]

xD

ur lvl 50 acc?

[hasty hearth]

cant even get lvl 50 by this reset

unless they give us a fk ton of stam pots

[meager junco]

figured

[drifting flame]

[faint onyx]

I guess I just suck

And can’t beat Nightmare on this

[drifting flame]

u not alone

[gaunt sluice]

khalipe doesnt shield enough for me

[faint onyx]

She has ephines where she shields a lot

But I prefer silver veil build

[faint onyx]

Dude my Haru got trauma mid fight

Like wtf

[drifting flame]

[faint onyx]

All the stress stacked on to her that fight

And then she died and it’s GG

I was so close

[drifting flame]

i have yet to finish a single chaos

[faint onyx]

Huh

[drifting flame]

havent done much

and lost all 5 ive attempted

[faint onyx]

Really

[lavish lark]

[meager junco]

i love rin xd

[faint onyx]

You never finished 1 Chaos at all?

[drifting flame]

died midway

[gaunt sluice]

upgrade and try again

[drifting flame]

im 40 now

[gaunt sluice]

upgrade and try again

unless u have bad team comp

don’t tell me u stacked 3 dps

rin tressa renos

[drifting flame]

meilin/haru kalipe mika

[gaunt sluice]

renos*

i haven’t played mei or khalipe enough to know their ap usage

[drifting flame]

mei is 0 cost

[hasty hearth]

wow

rolled two 1's in a row

@hallow trout just not skilled like this guy at dice

[dawn thunder]

Can i see ur rin build

[meager junco]

ill show it after this run
just stats and cards is fine?

[drifting flame]

whale build

[meager junco]

what whale

i realy havent whaled, with buying the acc i spend like 100 bucks total xd

[drifting flame]

[meager junco]

lol
the mob showed through shield, about half health bar left, after the skill it was gone...

[faint onyx]

Do I really need to upgrade my blue gear

To beat level 40 chaos

Like bro I cleared every other chaos world

Besides the 1st one

No passsion sadge

[mellow bolt]

what does that even mean? what's difficulty 9

[mellow bolt]

what's that? i m a beginner you guys should be teaching me

also that reminds me, i should finish building my mei lin and veronica instead of farming gear and getting all def pieces

[hasty hearth]

welp

thats not getting saved

only 2 of them got saved

half the draw power REEE

[mellow bolt]

how do yuou change the difficulty of chaos zero

[hasty hearth]

when u beat the one u have it gives u 3 harder choices to pick from as next one

[mellow bolt]

hmm

so no choice to actually choose what difficulty?

i only see difficulty 5

[hasty hearth]

u can but thats when u beat harder ones and have mats to craft it

if u try to add new one u can see crafting and u can choose the difficulty tier

[mellow bolt]

ah ok

[meager junco]

with Lilian Partner

[dawn thunder]

What set are u using

[meager junco]

crit dmg with atk%

will swap the atk% to crit dmg if i go over 1k atk

[ripe crest]

Am i done rring? I have 3200 gems left... do i try to get more mika dupes on haru banner?

[meager junco]

if ur fine with Khalipe then sure

i would still finish the beginner banner tho

also up to you if u want haru

new char coming soon i guess

technically u have 1 full team right there for story

Tressa + Khalipe + Rei

or mika instead of rei

[hasty hearth]

me personally

no renoa smh

for kyu tho

no rin smh

[meager junco]

imma get E2 rin with dupes

no worries

[ripe crest]

Ive never seen a renoa or rin drop. Nor khalipe until now

[hasty hearth]

if u want to stop u can

id suggest what kyu said

do beginner banner

if its like a khalipe dupe

then maybe back to reroll

[ripe crest]

Beginner banner has 1 more discounted pull. I could def do that

But i got the guaranteed 5* already

It was khalipe lol

[hasty hearth]

what u mean

u always get guaranteed on 50th

[ripe crest]

Nope

[hasty hearth]

u can get more than 1 SSR in beginner banner

did they nerf it in recent patch?

[ripe crest]

Every rr I've done, if i get a 5* earlier i wouldn't get it from #50

Maybe

[hasty hearth]

huh maybe they changed it recently then because we were able to get more than 1

[ripe crest]

Well that sucks

[hallow trout]

zero system difficulty, you can see it on the right side when you go to zero system

default iirc was 5?

[ripe crest]

I did my final 10 pull

[bold marlin]

wait

fuck. you shouldn't have finished the beginner banner lol

oh well

[mellow bolt]

damn so now you can craft difficulty 9 anytime you want?

i didnt even realize there was a difficulty setting there until you said it earlier lol

[ripe crest]

Discounted pull still.

[bold marlin]

yeah but if you pull an ssr before the pity, you dont get another one. might as well use those summoning mats towards the standard banner pity

[mellow bolt]

whale wtf

[mellow bolt]

what build do you run on veronica for this t eam?

[rain rain]

regarding this, while I'm uber late make sure to grab the 0 cost card for mika that blocks enemy action counter from decreasing

getting 1-2 of those on her makes that fight SO much easier, especially if you aren't running passion/fire units for the elemental weakness

using that card I mentioned properly means I'm clearing difficulty 3 without memory fragments basically in their entirety (I've done exactly 1 stage run of farming those on this acc lol)

ah, it's called wanderer of the void

[hallow trout]

just repose epiphany and card draws

she exists just to make sure khalipe can draw into valky ejection

and her ballista dmg

stacks up pretty well

its like a super safe team for high lvl content rn, khalipe to stack shields, especially when you get good epiphanys and her x cost card etc

mika for uber heals, if you can get the epiphany to give shield on overheal to

so stall team into khalipe ults constantly and veronica sniping

[rain rain]

I do something similar except it's basically pure end of round dmg with veronica + magna

but I also don't have khalipe rn so

[bold marlin]

on veronica, is the create ballista random, or do yuou get to choose

[rain rain]

the epiphany can result in you picking which type you get every turn

[bold marlin]

ah okay

[rain rain]

but some of the other ones from her other cards are spawned randomly between all types

[gaunt sluice]

i mean

i beat chaos 4 with the free gear when i was at 40 cap

with magna veronica mika

idk if magma is the right play though

[rain rain]

she's useful when you're down on gear

like, the memory fragments stuff

cuz more defensive than khalipe

[mellow bolt]

ah ok ill give this a try, i havent played much veronica, only 1 time

[gaunt sluice]

veronica kinda auto plays herself after she sets up

[bold marlin]

same. im gonna have ot learn how to play her soon

[rain rain]

yeah she does, tho there's some variance depending on which ballistae type you end up getting in a run

[bold marlin]

i think hugo comp melted my brain. idk how other units work lol

[rain rain]

obvs giant is great for aoe

[gaunt sluice]

the thing about her is that

u can stack her damage multipliers

[faint onyx]

Oooooo

[gaunt sluice]

passively

[faint onyx]

It’s a Mika card???

[rain rain]

but imo shelling ballista has a lot of potential for ST dmg

[faint onyx]

I’ll have to try it out

[rain rain]

no it's only possible on psionics + controllers

[gaunt sluice]

but piercing

[rain rain]

which is mika for your team

it's neutral

[gaunt sluice]

just ignore shields

make shield fights a joke

[rain rain]

piercing is good too, but shelling does a lot in tandem with her other cards

[gaunt sluice]

oh

[rain rain]

cuz that +100% from kowalski becomes double that

due to shelling hitting twice

[gaunt sluice]

mostly i shove as much multipliers into a single ballista

[rain rain]

yeah that's what I mean

[gaunt sluice]

yeah

[rain rain]

the multiplier stacking becomes even more ridiculous with shelling since 2 hits

[gaunt sluice]

well it’s rng what ballista u get

[rain rain]

but ye rng how the run plays out

[faint onyx]

Ohhhhh

So I have to go shopping for it

😦

[gaunt sluice]

i actually never pulled a insp for shelling lol

[rain rain]

shopping or some of the other card areas

it's defo worth it for blue pot

cuz that end boss is a pain without it

[gaunt sluice]

i just want to gear her

to crit critdmg

and make big number

[mellow bolt]

i played her everyday in CBT and she was my goat, super high QoL

[faint onyx]

I hate blue pot

Every other Chaos I cleared fine

Almost no brain needed

On Nightmare mode too

[rain rain]

well yeah

[gaunt sluice]

what’s wrong with blue pot

[faint onyx]

Blue Pot shoving a blue dildo up my butt

[rain rain]

blue pot you gotta either bring that card or get boned

[faint onyx]

Idk

[rain rain]

or be overgeared

[faint onyx]

It literally slams me

I’ve failed 3x now

😦

[shut talon]

Huh...

[faint onyx]

Most recent run my Haru trauma mid boss fight

[gaunt sluice]

where u getting these gifts

[bold marlin]

ohhh. she one of those units that barely got touched from testing ?

[shut talon]

Buying it

[gaunt sluice]

from where

[rain rain]

well it's the mechanic where it gets 2nd action if you let it take a first before you end your turn

[shut talon]

nono

[gaunt sluice]

if it’s policy shop

its over for me

[hallow trout]

i only buy the policys

[shut talon]

Policy shop

I hoard all policy

[lavish lark]

@shut talon I feel ur pain.. not even a random cake can save me

[gaunt sluice]

why would u

slow down ur policy income

[hallow trout]

cake only gives 30 affinity?

[faint onyx]

Waifu > progression

[lavish lark]

that one is 60

but its not random.. that one u buy

[hallow trout]

ok thats slightly better

[faint onyx]

Most important thing is research but who care

Waifu better

[hallow trout]

if only there was a way to trauma farm consistently and not have to do 30min runs

[faint onyx]

Real

I need to mind break my kahlipe

So I can heal her

[shut talon]

30min?, im doing it for an hour

[bold marlin]

30 mins ? must be nice lol. i feel like im doing hours for one run

[shut talon]

[bold marlin]

jinx

[gaunt sluice]

what are u building

[hallow trout]

[gaunt sluice]

a counter attack team?

[rain rain]

mystojinx where

[bold marlin]

kekw.

[mellow bolt]

ya she seems the same tbh, just kind of an auto attacker without costing anything and a draw bot

[bold marlin]

word okay. ima have to build mei and her deck here pretty soon since i hit 30. i have no idea how to play/build them

[mellow bolt]

i think if ur gonna run chaos with her, you should do a stall team like end does with khalipe

mei lin + vero in chaos seems kind of sketchy

[rain rain]

yeah pretty much

[bold marlin]

dont have her =/

[rain rain]

do you have magna/

[bold marlin]

nope !

[rain rain]

magna or even owen can work in that spot

[gaunt sluice]

oh

maribelle can replace magna no?

[rain rain]

yeah if you wanna go full turtle stall, she can

owen basically somewhat more offensive variant, but mari works too

[gaunt sluice]

i need higher reload cap

[rain rain]

lol

[gaunt sluice]

her screen funny

[meager junco]

how

[mighty thistle]

obv cheating

[gaunt sluice]

play test

lol

i got called out to be cheating

music changes btw

[simple stump]

im ready

[acoustic iron]

[rain rain]

nice, just passed 10k gems myself on this day 2 alt

[lavish lark]

@rain rain there has to be something else with ur formula.. i keep getting scammed on less than 30 points builds

maybe u can only have 1 divine epiph? and the purple item counts as a divine?

[rain rain]

I think it's divided into 10 points for equipment + 20 pts for skills but I'm not 100% on that

[lavish lark]

so ur cards max is only 20?

[rain rain]

that's my guess, but I'm not sure

[plush sandal]

can i see your haru build?

[rain rain]

the other thing is I'm not sure whether it's a global or individual thing

eg do you have 60 points for skills across the team or 20 each per character?

because sometimes it seems like one character retains a lot more than others

I also need to look into how point values vary between support and attacking skills

[lavish lark]

this build is exactly 30 points

[rain rain]

if there's any variance there that might explain it

[lavish lark]

nothing was scammed pretty sure

and there's even a divine epiph on incognite mode

maybe replicateds are not 0 points

[rain rain]

it's possible they aren't

it's also possible that if you hit the cap exactly the game stops there and doesn't check for anything further

[plush sandal]

anyone use kayron?

[rain rain]

so the replicated skills wouldn't be added then even if they're 0 cost

[lavish lark]

kinda weird that gear never gets scammed

[rain rain]

it's because that gets calc'd first before skills

[lavish lark]

this is 32 points.. 25 in cards

[rain rain]

yeah, that's why I think difficulty might matter slightly

[lavish lark]

not sure if anything got scammed cause its from 2 days ago

[rain rain]

I know for sure initially the cap is 30

I'm less sure about stages 3+

and how the save data value factors in

my guess is each change in the "save data value" adds +1 to overall cap

so very low = 30, low = 31, normal = 32, high = 33 and idk if there's anything beyond that yet

[lavish lark]

I mean.. that orlea is only 32k, and has 32 points

its pretty low for 32

[rain rain]

this is because gear is outsized effect on the TB thing

an orange/gold gear is worth like 3600 pts

not sure if it varies gear by gear but I tried skipping the 2nd piece given to you in the tutorial and that was how much the score went down by

[lavish lark]

oh u checked in the tutorial? interesting

[rain rain]

while rring, yes

game forces you to take the sword, but you can skip the armor

[lavish lark]

I wonder if u only the 4 epiphanies and 0 items.. what score u end up on

[rain rain]

my hunch is this might vary character by character

[lavish lark]

why would it change

[rain rain]

because iirc the effects might play into it, such as "unique" status or potentially the text color/rarity of the skills themseves

like, idk how many unique category skills you can stuff into a kit

[lavish lark]

wait wtf? now it shows as a div epiph ?

this fking game

[rain rain]

lemme edit my post in the pins with my guess as to score caps being influenced by the save data value thingie

[lavish lark]

ill test something for the lulz

[gaunt sluice]

i got a fat magna deck

0 nerfs to the build

and she auto use her upgrades

[lavish lark]

@rain rain 0 epiphanies.. 2 blue neutral cards.. 1 replicated..

1 of the neutral cards got scammed

if the replicated is 0 points.. it would be 24 points total that got scammed back to 20

[gaunt sluice]

i think save amount isn’t calculated no? what’s your save data rate for that run

did u pick normal save data?

[dawn flare]

OH I liked this save for Hugo. Too bad the shield got back in, but still

[lavish lark]

so many neutral cards.. and 2 divine epiph.. how did u get to keep all that

[dawn flare]

No idea LOL

[rain rain]

yeah that's why I'm wondering whether it's a global thing or not

[lavish lark]

ngl it's kinda crazy u get to keep 2 manuevers that are not replicated

[rain rain]

its possible my pt calc for neutral cards is off, and they could be individually based

or effect based

since that has exhaust it might be worth a lot less point-wise than something like shock

[mellow bolt]

using this one

also have this one but i think the other one does more with combo+1 hit

i play this with a khalipe with 3x draw cards and nia

[bold marlin]

a lot of people using her

[hasty hearth]

if ur trying to use her as draw then yeah if ur using her as dps then no

u could still get rid of it as dps if u want tho

[lavish lark]

thoughts? @rain rain

also Manuever was the first card I got from all those

[rain rain]

I think it didn't like the massive amount of deletion you did, there may be a specific number of required "character-based" cards

then it proceeded to add the rest of them in since it was already at that point in the codex

[lavish lark]

manuever was a conversion, now that u mention

[rain rain]

yea

but that basically is the same as "deletion"

[lavish lark]

I deleted the purple skill too

[rain rain]

but what I think is it goes in codex order for readding

so the char specific stuff gets added first

then it ran out of room to add back in the rest of it

[lavish lark]

pendant was the one that was added first

[rain rain]

or just noped because of how its coded

right but the deletion readding may take priority in the internal code

then it just nopes because it's jumped to a later point in the code, so can't add back the rest of the stuff

at least that's my guess as to what's going on there

[runic jewel]

I got a deck on renoa with 2 maneuvers

[steady yacht]

For those who are lv40-50 now, what material that u lack of most, im lv30ish trying to spend stamina

[rain rain]

pretty sure its probably gonna be char/partner upgrade mats or credits

[steady yacht]

upgrade mats? exp mats?

[rain rain]

but I'll let those there confirm/deny that

yes

[steady yacht]

oo

[rain rain]

the promotion, exp, credits get expensive at 40/50

if you don't have the promotion mats lined up probably do those first, then focus on the exp for characters I would think

[steady yacht]

i see

[mellow bolt]

When a card gets used does it count as being discarded

[rain rain]

if it doesn't have exhaust, yes

or remove

if it has multi-exhaust eg exhaust 2, the first use its discarded, the 2nd it's banished/exhausted

[mellow bolt]

Ah ok nice

Ty Ty

[rain rain]

same deal with multi-use remove

[mellow bolt]

Yeh I wanna make a Nia build with heal on discard

But wasn’t sure how that worked

[rain rain]

basically as long as either number here goes up post-card use compared to pre-card use, it counts as a discard

left number is stuff already in the discarded pile from prior turns, right is the stuff being added from the current turn

once draw pile on the left hits 0 discard pile becomes the new draw pile after being shuffled

k alt is now main, 4 multis total for haru + asteria

[shut talon]

+1 hit is her main kit, combine it with her c2

[lavish lark]

Maribell one is a debuff.. she has bigger tits

[simple stump]

holy moly

[lavish lark]

[mellow bolt]

Ahh ok gotcha thank you!

@hasty hearth

All I had to do was switch Nia and Mika so I can survive on stage 10 with haru team

[simple stump]

damnnn

hit all 7.5%

[shut talon]

Very nice

[runic jewel]

Pre prep your lvl 50 promotion mats for hero/partners I wouldn’t lvl 50 3 star partners though, the rest I would work on potential you will need tons of it

[runic jewel]

You level 50 already ?

[mellow bolt]

Nah they moved moc down to lvl 45

[runic jewel]

Oh for real damn I can do it then

[mellow bolt]

Yep

[drifting flame]

wtf is moc

[mellow bolt]

Memory of chaos, from hsr

The two stage thing

I dunno the name in this game, but they copied it

[rain rain]

I feel like "memory of chaos" should be replaced by "trauma of chaos" here

[hasty hearth]

hyperspace basin

[rain rain]

cuz farming setups is traumatic in its own right

[drifting flame]

wtf is hsr

[ripe crest]

home star runner

[rain rain]

hangry stupid rabbits

[faint onyx]

@rain rain

I still got my ass handed to me on Blue Pot

For boss do you kill little guys first

[hasty hearth]

u have to like quite literally forced to

[rain rain]

wtf

another case of the gacha players not reading

tldr that entire fight is basically determined by how fast you kill the little ones, one at a time starting from the leftmost and working your way right

every time the little mobs move they lower the turn count threshold for how quickly the boss will move each turn, and the boss gets a 2nd, insanely powerful action if you don't end your turn before it takes the first action

so yes, not picking off the summoned mobs = you get boned super easily

you basically have to kill each mob, in order, in 1-2 turns each

this is why for blue pot I basically load up my characters with single target skills rather than aoes

because the boss itself isn't an issue if you have wanderer of the void card + can kill the mobs quickly

[hollow ledge]

extra card chance upon creation is brutal on renoa

[rain rain]

veronica is silly too

[hollow ledge]

when you make 3 dirge cards you can end up with 4-6

[hollow ledge]

yeah her and renoa are very fun

[rain rain]

especially when you pick the +50% chance of 2nd ballistae generation / other ballistae genning cards

[hollow ledge]

it also includes when you create them in draw or discard piles

[rain rain]

having 4 nukes in a turn backed by reload buffs is just silly

like, I've had it where my lv30 ungeared veronica starts doing 500+ dmg each ballistae hit

[hollow ledge]

discard all other combatant cards, create 2 dirge bullets for every discard
discard all other combatant cards, gain reload based on discarded cards

[rain rain]

yeah but dirge bullets have cost if used directly, and don't have as much boost to their output individually as the ballistae do

so it's a tradeoff, number of hits vs powerful hits essentiallt

[hollow ledge]

At which point it's comparing apples to oranges

[rain rain]

yup

both are good

[hollow ledge]

one of my accounts runs mei lin, veronica and maribell

trying to get used to no heal runs

or rather "heal only in shelter or artifacts"

[rain rain]

ngl i'd run a 2nd shielder for those

[hollow ledge]

yeah 2nd shielder does help

[rain rain]

also make sure to stock up on morale boosting epis so you don't get shield derped by enemies that lower it

[hollow ledge]

veronica
piercing ballistae

[rain rain]

nono I mean YOUR shields

not enemy's

if your morale goes less than 0 iirc it starts reducing shielding % on top of dmg%

tho I may be thinking of resolve or smth

pretty sure it's morale tho

[faint onyx]

I just try to rush the boss KEKW

fuck mechanic

[rain rain]

you're inting then for blue pot

because if you don't kill the mobs it takes like 80% reduced dmg

[faint onyx]

i got that card once

but i greeded and thought I can spam agony on boss

[rain rain]

[hollow ledge]

resolve is shield gain

morale boosts damage

[rain rain]

yeah

was misremembering

but they can go negative

not just positive

[hollow ledge]

i noticed with the repent card

[faint onyx]

resolve is shit

[rain rain]

no?

[faint onyx]

boost shield gain

like bruh

[lavish lark]

that's impair btw

[hollow ledge]

you can debuff morale and resolve

[faint onyx]

what if I dont have shielder

kekw

[rain rain]

bruh lots of non shielders have shield skills too

and there's equipment passives and neutral skills as well

it's not like shields are exclusive to the vanguard class

also if doing non-healer chaos runs shield becomes much more important

which is kinda the entire point of what we were discussing in the first place, so yeah

also yay, free character gifts in mail

[faint onyx]

yeah but I discord them

[rain rain]

this part of why you keep losing vs blue pot boss

[faint onyx]

you need to line up the buff with actual shield skill

[faint onyx]

I just wanna go brr

Idk blue pot takes brain

[rain rain]

mechanic too hard, just wanna keep dying

[faint onyx]

I literally just nuked every other Chaos world on NIghtmare

[rain rain]

well they had to put at least one in there y'know

[faint onyx]

[rain rain]

otherwise game boring

[faint onyx]

they also made it so that you always take stress now

even if shield fully block damage

sadge

wasnt like that in cbt

[faint onyx]

okay I will try blue dot

but actualy use brain

and yes I got that card that makes the enemy not gain action

my dumbass just got greedy

and started unloading on boss

[rain rain]

lol

yeah pick off the mobs quickly and it just becomes easy

[faint onyx]

and by the time i realize he wont die , its too late to kill ittle guys

[rain rain]

because yeah the little ones also get multiple actions / turn

[faint onyx]

they evolve

[rain rain]

so it ramps up fast

[faint onyx]

if they dont die

[rain rain]

yup there's that too

[faint onyx]

@rain rain what two teams do you main

just curious

[rain rain]

I recently swapped accs so I technically only have one team I'm focusing rn

[faint onyx]

oh right u a reroller

[rain rain]

old main got pseudo pull cucked with a huge dry spell

[faint onyx]

My account got super lucky

I have a good amount of units in 137 pulls

but now I can't decide on what to commit for two teams

[rain rain]

like hitting pity 3x in a row off f2p pulls was a big yikes

[faint onyx]

Well I already decided Khalipe Haru Mika (Cause Khalipe my waifu, idk why they dont have sexy trauma art for her though)

[rain rain]

even if the rr itself was good

[faint onyx]

yikes yeah

I can also agree after trying her, Renoa is very fun

[hollow ledge]

the sexiest ones are the ones who try their best to keep their clothes on

[faint onyx]

real

Kayron becomes nuclear missle

if he gets the right ephiney

bro sucks balls before that

[hollow ledge]

One of my favorite teams is Rin, Magna, Mika

[rain rain]

this is my new main atm, still in process of upping various stuffs tho

[faint onyx]

[rain rain]

I'm basically chaos running while waiting for stam regen with magna / veronica / mika tho

cuz I can do that without memory fragments

[faint onyx]

HOLY

THEY GIVE YOU 3 CAKE!

[rain rain]

yes

I just said that

free character gifts in mail

[faint onyx]

Sorry I was too busy looking at my screen

[hollow ledge]

did you find a 4th cake on your combatant?

[faint onyx]

Sadge that she kinda suck...

Shes vanguard, but 1 singular shield skill

and its mid

🙁

[faint onyx]

yes

[faint onyx]

My waifu

I didn't know she had ears till recently

[rain rain]

bad husbando to your waifu

[rain rain]

not knowing your waifu has ears smh

[faint onyx]

i would too ngl

[rain rain]

but as for what teams I plan on running

[faint onyx]

but yeah Reona is fun, I just need to make a better deck for MIka and Nia lol

[rain rain]

if I can get a 2nd dupe of rei I plan on using her + renoa + nia as offteam

[meager junco]

sweet

[hollow ledge]

ready for round 2 old man?

[meager junco]

almost there!!

[rain rain]

3* going brrrr on veronica

[hollow ledge]

man judas is so much easier now that i completely understand him

lol does he have 0.1 hp left?

[rain rain]

I think he has another health bar

its just you hit exactly the threshold between them

I think that's what those dots above it mean?

[hollow ledge]

no that's just his phases

normally it should've brought him into 2nd phase

just one more level

[meager junco]

wow u love rei huh? 😄

[hollow ledge]

just kidding

[meager junco]

lul

[hollow ledge]

alright let's clear area 5

😭

[lavish lark]

@rain rain might wanna check these https://page.onstove.com/chaoszeronightmare/en/view/11022916 .. maybe there's valueable info

[bold marlin]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ChaosZeroNightmare/comments/1ofe1n2/bruce_lee_build_22_combo_part_2_with_save_data/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

has anybody watched this

[hollow ledge]

pendant of resolution with 0 AP cost

he's got 3 of them

[rain rain]

ya

[hollow ledge]

since veronica is passion, it all counts as a passion card

Retrieve 4 means it comes up to 4 times from Discard back to hand

[rain rain]

personally rather than those I prefer 3x stacks of the upgrade one with 50% chance of extra upon other combatant skill use

that one is great for a one off

but the upgrade one means you're doing it every turn

[bold marlin]

this looks like a boss build

[rain rain]

ye

[hollow ledge]

that's because it is one

you just retain the pendants

[bold marlin]

looks cool

[hollow ledge]

then when you get mei lin's card, that's when you start spamming it

i imagine that's why devs added extra action mechanic on enemies

[bold marlin]

i wonder how long it takes to ramp up to do that much hit

[hollow ledge]

well

you have to cycle the card 5 times

use, retrieve, use, retrieve, use, retrieve, use, retrieve, use

that's 5 uses per card