CZN gooner gang godz only

[vague delta]

never got luke and never used the other guy

khaliphe enjoyer

[mellow bolt]

ya if you played khalipe, luke will be a huge downgrade lol

luke's playstyle is basically try to get a summon bullet card that summons 0 cost bullets

but they barely do any dmg lol

[vague delta]

im sure ppl will find a way to make it cheesy and op

[mellow bolt]

ya hopefully

it would be nice if there are OP builds for every character so it's not wasted if you pulled them

[vague delta]

I saw some guy getting 20000% dmg bonus on the shield team

like bruh

[vague delta]

from what I experienced and saw in their cord, every team synergy has an "op" way to use it

I had hugo as well, thought he was crazy until I got khaliphe

[mellow bolt]

ya itll be fun to have something to work towards for every character

[vague delta]

and I had the nun girl forgot her name, got her dupe as well

I wanted to try renoa

[vague delta]

yeah a lot to work towards everyone for sure, to farm different decks for diff builds and synergies etc

but chaos not having auto was a bit depressing

[mellow bolt]

ya i guess it makes sense since it's the building part and you need to choose

that's why i know this game will take a huge amount of time to play lol

[hasty hearth]

Renoa is fun

Can make her either single target or the strongest draw engine in the game

[vague delta]

Yeah definitely

Could still make auto with choices

[vague delta]

I saw some unhinged clips lol

Characters potential is quite easy to miss

[hasty hearth]

yeah some require multiple specific ephiphanies like the renoa draw engine build

requires 2 specific epiphanies

[vague delta]

Their last dev vid was pretty promising, hopefully they give enough currency to get a good variety of characters quickly

Rates are pretty bad

I wanna try everyone

[hasty hearth]

wot

rates aren't the worst

1% def not spectacular

but hey could be worse could be mihoyo

only character i didn't really like playing was mei lin

and it's not cuz she's bad cuz she super straightforward

[vague delta]

Is there worse than 1%?

[lyric osprey]

0.8% or whatever hoyo is doing

[hasty hearth]

hoyo is .6%

[lyric osprey]

Lmao

0.6

[vague delta]

.6 combined rate? That's insane

[hasty hearth]

SW rates are lower

but thats cuz dupes dont really do anything

[hasty hearth]

yet they are some of the most popular gachas

soft pity is like 80-90 or some shit too

[vague delta]

That sounds illegal 💀

[hasty hearth]

no it's the start of "great gacha" as told by the lukewarm IQ masses

[vague delta]

Is that what pure copium like

[hasty hearth]

it aint copium if they think it's great

man where is this prydwen character tier list

i want to see it so i can laugh at it

[mellow bolt]

people who follow it will 100% get fucked over lol

[hasty hearth]

bet they just gonna slap everyone at S or A

or well

t0, 0.5, and 1

[mellow bolt]

yeh

safest bet to not get any backlash lol

[hasty hearth]

if they put early game

id put luke bottom tier

t0:
maribell
t0.5:
Khalipe
t1:
everyone else
t2:
owen, selena (i personally just don't like her)
t3:
luke

that's my list right there

[mellow bolt]

i think they need to split it up by dps , shielder and healer as categories

but theyll prob group shielder and healer together as sustain which isnt right imo

for me maribell, khalipe, and veronica S tier

Mika S tier healer tbh

since she's also a battery

[hasty hearth]

if they split it would also have to be assumption of 0 dupes

[mellow bolt]

yeh i think they usually do 0 dupes

[hasty hearth]

cuz rin 0 dupes and rin 6 dupes are two completely different characters

[mellow bolt]

yeh

but you know

if that limited character's DPS is really that high

[hasty hearth]

haru?

[mellow bolt]

ya

[hasty hearth]

we have no idea what was used in that video tho

[mellow bolt]

then getting rin and other standard DPS units is pointless

ya true

[hasty hearth]

could be cracked gear, build, and max dupes

[mellow bolt]

but i mean realistically, khalipe and veronica would be 2 key DPS units, then you can get a 3rd hard hitter like Haru

dont know why you would need more DPS units built

[hasty hearth]

nah

[mellow bolt]

unless end game requires a lot of diff comps

maybe element advantage

[hasty hearth]

the problem with khalipe + veronica

the rare mob in level 3 chaos

the rare mob that gives purple drop

really fks them over

that dude counters cards that stay in hand

basically at end of turn he sucks the cards up and converts them into 1 cost card that gives u back random card that was sucked

but when u use it

he hits u with trauma damage

so u want characters that keep playing cards so that he can't suck any

[mellow bolt]

ah ok

ya

so youll need some of the spenders too

[hasty hearth]

was doable with just khalipe

still annoying as fk

as for veronica

i have no idea how the interaction works

[mellow bolt]

just gotta do it in a way where we dont waste resources

[hasty hearth]

like does it play veronica's cards or do they just get sucked

or do they play and get sucked

[mellow bolt]

but i guess since it's not a competitive game, wasting resources might be ok lol

worst case, youll miss out on a bit of rewards that first cycle at end game

[hasty hearth]

the one good thing to know tho

we dont need to waste any stamina on potential material

since u can just buy 50 of blue tier ones in the dupe shop

[mellow bolt]

veronica's ballista cards stay in hand, they are used after the turn ends

before the enemy goes

[hasty hearth]

well that's the thing

no idea if veronica's ballista would get sucked before being played or vice versa

or maybe played AND they get sucked

didnt have veronica so idk how that mob's mechanic works with her

[mellow bolt]

yeh i guess we'll see

hopefully RNG is on our side and gives us the units we want

[hasty hearth]

gimme max dupe rin

kthx

[mellow bolt]

there are a bunch of units i have 0 interest in playing lol

[hasty hearth]

rin is a fun character to play

only SSR i WANT is khalipe, renoa, and rin

oh and magna

everyone else is an bonus

tho i think kayron + bria partner is absolutely broken

[mellow bolt]

arent there also a bunch of SSRs that wasnt in the beta

[hasty hearth]

for partners?

all the partners were in

[mellow bolt]

no the units

[hasty hearth]

oh

[mellow bolt]

like the chungli girl

[hasty hearth]

yeah but we dont know if the rest that were missing were gonna be future banners

like haru is pretty likely as 1st banner

and then people speculate the banners after her would be the missing characters

like yuki, etc

feel like they probably won't add the others as base standard, but nothing confirmed so who knows

OP character + partner pairing:

Kayron + bria/anteia
Maribell/Magna + eishlen/erica
Renoa + kiara
Luke + Janet/serithea
Cassius/rei + Nyx
Khalipe + Noel/zeta
Mei Lin (honestly any single target dps has to be striker tho) + priscilla
Rin/mei lin + scarlet

Just the ones i can really think of

tina is the only "useless" partner because she is for rangers and boosts order and there is no order ranger

[mellow bolt]

damn lol

you're locked in and ready

and ya i m excited to see what gets launched

hopefully they list all the changes theyve done since the playtest too

but maybe not

[mighty thistle]

character + my wallet

[hasty hearth]

yeah this i hope

[mighty thistle]

we are adding in a seasonal arena mode starting November 5th, 2025

[hasty hearth]

nice meme

[mighty thistle]

[lost acorn]

Why did CZN go back to 50/50

[hasty hearth]

it was always 50-50

[lost acorn]

Oh i meant other gachas are doing 70/30 or guaranteed no 50/50 (wuwa) so i was surprised CZN went back to the 50/50

[hasty hearth]

well they keep emphasizing the game will be f2p friendly so would have to see how well that statement holds true

i dont really mind it cuz dupes on any of the 5* is really good

would suck later on when u only want the banner character, but it is what it is

[hasty hearth]

well cuz it straight up copied hoyo games

literally everything about it is hoyo except lower soft pity and higher base summon rate of 5*

[lost acorn]

i think its lower cost its like 1500 for 10 summons

but they added this 'card animation' which is another gacha

weeoooo

[lost acorn]

I remember Diluc and Mona tho, then Bronya and welt.. Look at them now hahahaha

[hasty hearth]

well same cost technically since CZN is 1600 for 10 with pity at 70 (soft pity average is like 63 or something) as for card animation that's just cosmetic honestly doesn't matter

as for powercreep there will definitely exist i mean it is a gacha game, but it's more of how good would old characters in the future (imo CZN characters will be longer lasting than something like genshin)

like for example it will be easy to power creep renoa as a single target dps character, but that isn't her only build u can make her into the strongest draw engine in the game which would be more difficult to replace

because such radical different builds can exist on a character + amount of synergies with others baseline would be harder to powercreep

[lost acorn]

I wish i can participate in the next beta.. Idk if its going to have 1 more of they going straight to release

[hasty hearth]

there isnt

just 1 playtest now we all wait until oct 22nd

[hasty hearth]

u didnt get in playtest?

[lost acorn]

oh wait its out on 22?

[lost acorn]

nope

[hasty hearth]

yeah game releases october 22nd

the playtest was also an older build of the game

[lost acorn]

fk then im going blind

ughhh

[hasty hearth]

nah we got u

there will be some nerfs to the obvious op stuff

[lost acorn]

i was told prydwen will cover czn too

[hasty hearth]

i dont trust em

ill wait to see their tier list to make any judgements

[lost acorn]

its only maxroll or prydwen for the sites

[hasty hearth]

but i already know (from playing) majority of strengths and weaknesses of the characters

not to mention plenty of others here also played the playtest

so no worries we got u

[lost acorn]

Niceeee.. Will we have a section specifically for CZN as well? Like bpsr

[hasty hearth]

yeah this is the CZN specific

idk if we'll get an actual channel and everything like it's own section

but worst case it will be this channel here

also hope they increased friend limit

in playtest u could only add 20 people

@mellow bolt this was created by some community but holy it's so bad LOL

these guys clearly did not do deep trauma level 3 when making this

[mellow bolt]

maribel not on top is crazy lol

[hasty hearth]

yeah immediate disregard of this entire list with that

[mellow bolt]

also that red hair above veronica is even crazier lol

wtf

[hasty hearth]

only khalipe + maribell deserve to be SS tier

[mellow bolt]

i wonder how good is that wolf guy with his follow ups

[hasty hearth]

probably just a better selena

didnt own him, but ive seen videos of him and seems solid

[mellow bolt]

i would say mika should be on the top too since without her, a lot of the DPS units are not even playable

since their costs are way too high without a battery

[hasty hearth]

sure i dont mind mika being SS tier either

but with what we had in playtest

healing just felt so bad

but they did say "shields might feel better early" so we'll see how good heals are later on

[mellow bolt]

yeh the healing not so good but having her as a battery was nice

i hope they release more battery units

cause some of these DPS feels so bad to play without it

[hasty hearth]

yeah got to rely on specific epiphanies and dupes

lucas is like a more consistent aoe focused luke

[mellow bolt]

is lucas the red hair guy?

as of what we got to see in beta, i dont know how it's possible to run 2 DPS units lol

maybe with mika, it's like ok since she can battery

i gotta see what people cook up, but in a 3 character comp, with all the mental dmg, i cant imagine a 2 DPS comp would do well unless they can clear really fast

[hasty hearth]

ye

[hasty hearth]

imo yeah only realistic way is with mika

otherwise it would have to be someone like khalipe who cheats her cards out

[mellow bolt]

CZN does something really good with this setup now that i think about it

compared to other gachas

like you get 1 character, and you have so much play value with them

in other gachas, the novelty is gone after playing the new character for like 10 minutes lol

[hasty hearth]

true

[gaunt sluice]

im pretty die ur gonna need a dps of each element

sure*

also i used mika as battery and also draw with neutral cards

[peak stirrup]

is this actually released on the 9th?

[hasty hearth]

No should be October 22nd I think you are thinking BP sir

[peak stirrup]

[hasty hearth]

can BP and CZN trade release dates

@mellow bolt here we go again

maribell B tier LOL

[mellow bolt]

these people are clowns lol

where are you even finding these

just randos?

[meager junco]

unrelatable

[hasty hearth]

random youtube vids ye

i can link it if u want a good laugh

[mellow bolt]

nah i m good lol

[hasty hearth]

"maribell is a good budget unit"

[mellow bolt]

i get theyre just trying to pump out content

[hasty hearth]

i can't

[mellow bolt]

but damn, at least make it good lol

[hasty hearth]

[mellow bolt]

0 research done, pump out content based on the first thing they see l;ol

[hasty hearth]

prob just didnt play with the character enough

like i see lot of these people put selena really high tier

but i did not like her at all

i mean i dont think she's bad

but that high? I personally don't agree with

[mellow bolt]

yeh ngl i tried them all

and it's pretty obvious who's good and not lol

like they prob played them through the story

lol

[rugged saffron]

Make a tier list moo

[mellow bolt]

never lol

[hasty hearth]

like beryl is good, but i hate her playstyle

dont like the passive playstyle

[mellow bolt]

just know maribell, khalipe, and mika is S tier, Veronica, Hugo, the SSR shield girl is A tier

[hasty hearth]

oh u had hugo?

[mellow bolt]

no but i saw a lot of gameplay from him and i read up on his cards

his followup and scaling is good dmg + low cost

[rugged saffron]

thank you

[hasty hearth]

hope they give like release notes of the nerfs/buffs they did

feel like they wont

and we gotta find out what the changes are

[mellow bolt]

ya i doubt they will

also i tried that music girl and that yellow mask guy

[hasty hearth]

nia and cassius

both are good

[mellow bolt]

yeh theyre good but

they dont fit in well with a lot of dps

[hasty hearth]

what u mean?

[mellow bolt]

like mika+maribell is the gold standard

switching them out just feels bad

[hasty hearth]

depends on what ur running id say

cassius is way better draw engine compared to mika

[mellow bolt]

i tried like 6 DPS

[hasty hearth]

and nia is more offensive compared to both of them

[mellow bolt]

and everytime it felt bad without maribell+mika

[hasty hearth]

would have to see what endgame entails

[mellow bolt]

i guess if you have a super OP Dps

[hasty hearth]

right now under the assumption its like shielder + healer + dps

but could be different later

[mellow bolt]

yeh

we dont know enough about the game yet

[hasty hearth]

also i would assume depends on content

like chaos where u have nothing going dps + healer + shielder makes sense

but if it was like that weekly boss or whatever

u could ignore shielder + healer

[mellow bolt]

also characters like Rin could be insane if they release a good battery unit

[hasty hearth]

and just bum rush dps the boss

honestly if u just do something like

mika + draw engine + rin

u could 1 turn every mob possibly

unless it's aoe room

[mellow bolt]

we'll see lol

i think theorycrafting now is pointless til we see changes

and new characters

[hasty hearth]

ye

i hope some of those units that werent in beta added to standard

highly doubt it tho

[meager junco]

im gonna play rei for sure

idc

[meager junco]

[vague delta]

[hasty hearth]

why does every one of these people like selena

like she's good but no way in hell would i put her that high

[rugged saffron]

Is it gooner bait?

[hasty hearth]

her aoe is terrible

her single target is fine

[rugged saffron]

Wait I have not looked at the char that much

[hasty hearth]

but her gimmick is basically just marking enemies

[rugged saffron]

I like the looks at all of them wtf

[hasty hearth]

which is just her follow up attacking whenever enemy gets hit

[rugged saffron]

Ah so she just seems like an ok sub

[hasty hearth]

like i swear to god are these people making these tier lists with like

double dps

cuz lvl 3 deep trauma that shit aint working

[rugged saffron]

Maybe looping mechanic with a diff char that gets multi hit?

[hasty hearth]

unless the dps is a def + shield based

then just run triple that

[rugged saffron]

Unless her card is just a one time cd per turn

[hasty hearth]

doesnt work like that

she doesnt hit every hit

so like if multi hit

she isn't gonna attack after every hit

just a singular hit

[gaunt sluice]

the main issue i have

[hasty hearth]

and then reduces the mark counter by 1

[gaunt sluice]

it’s specific mechanic based subbosses

it CAN totally kill your team

[hasty hearth]

like imo hugo is just a better selena

[hasty hearth]

thats the thing i can only think of like 1 situation where u would want a character like selena

and that's if they have stacks of something that gets removed per hit so selena would make sense

outside that and like mono passion teams i dont see a point

cuz the fact ur bringing selena in chaos already means u need another unit with aoe cuz she has like 1 aoe skill that most definitely aint killing them

[rugged saffron]

People just see a strong okay kit an they S tier

IMO for pve games tier list are a joke half of the time

[hasty hearth]

yeah swear like they just reading the no epiphany cards and judging on that

[rugged saffron]

I’ll just play my game and win on any char, if games like HSR and Arknights have taught me anything, it does not matter what u play it works

Especially if this game rougelike has buffs and changing effects during each run it won’t matter, I have not played it, so maybe you and moo can give output on that

[hasty hearth]

it does ye

[rugged saffron]

So yeah tier list are a joke then

Unless they broken like, can’t lose the game broken

Supports tank etc

Funny enough a single target dmg dealer and or AoE dealer are not broken in most games it’s mainly the tank or support

[hasty hearth]

maribell and khalipe essentially were that

maribell due to stupid amount of shield u can generate

khalipe due to sheer versatility in her kit

imo nobody comes close to those 2 characters

and they both getting nerfed by release

[rugged saffron]

Dam must be strong still even with nerf lol

Unless kit change which normally does not happen, just numbers getting tweaked

[hasty hearth]

id assume noticeable nerfs

i know they showed in one of their past videos khalipe gimmick requiring 4 stacks instead of 3 (it was 3 in playtest), but that's a buff to her not a nerf

[half mica]

Damn

These tier list are shit

[hasty hearth]

when even grand knows

[gaunt sluice]

i bet they closed the game when they say the “thanks for playtesting” screen

[arctic veldt]

Hmm

[hasty hearth]

[wise yew]

aite im back in the waiting room bois

bp is too much for me

[drifting flame]

Just work in BP

[hasty hearth]

LOL really? How long did u last

if u think bp is too much i think CZN def going to be too much for u

[wise yew]

like 30 min

im cooked bro

these old bones cant game anymore

[hasty hearth]

well i mean

its a turn based card game so... at least ur not running around pressing buttons constantly

just swipe cards at enemies so.... maybe...?

[drifting flame]

Me until beach shit thing

in beta

[lethal kraken]

damnit.... get back out there.....

[wise yew]

No sir…

[lethal kraken]

retirement is 2 early for u

[wise yew]

[hasty hearth]

it's okay sleep until CZN hopefully u last longer than 30 minutes

[wise yew]

[drifting flame]

[mighty thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/chaos-zero-nightmare-chaos-zero-nightmare-mission-failed-gif-7720540776357448794

[mighty thistle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnpARZIZoLk

[hallow trout]

@hasty hearth

how hard we getting baited for this game tho

i told salty i wouldnt whale more than you, so you better be chilling in this game

[hasty hearth]

when u said how hard we getting baited

[hallow trout]

[hasty hearth]

u mean whale?

oh u told salty u gonna match me?

alright dropping 10k

[hallow trout]

you gonna be tim day 1 om

[hasty hearth]

nah jk gonna be chill

idk

maybe 2k?

[hallow trout]

Tim got baited down bad lol in scarlet

[wise yew]

Hows bp end

[hasty hearth]

down bad in what

he quit jan

followed u

LOL

[wise yew]

Dropped 2k to quit the day after?

[hasty hearth]

pretty normal for end lets be real

[wise yew]

Yup

[hallow trout]

i blame the tina bait

[wise yew]

[hallow trout]

i was whaling for something i didnt even use for my class

[wise yew]

Tf

[hallow trout]

all i heard was tina op etc etc so i thought i needed to max her

[wise yew]

What class

[hallow trout]

marksman

[wise yew]

[hallow trout]

on paper she sounded universal tbh, cooldown reduction is good for anything

but apparently no

[wise yew]

Ff bro

Cya for czn i guess

[hallow trout]

[wise yew]

10 days

[hallow trout]

its ok they add a pvp mode surely @hasty hearth

just like uma

[hasty hearth]

in czn?

no they wont

[wise yew]

Time to look at guides

[hasty hearth]

the synergies/combos u can do in czn

[hallow trout]

[hasty hearth]

is absolutely crazy

[hallow trout]

whens star savior

[wise yew]

Need a crash course in czn

[hasty hearth]

kr/jp in november

[wise yew]

No shot we playing non global

[hallow trout]

they changed since beta so just wait

[hasty hearth]

i got u

[wise yew]

Aite im ready for the 100 page doc

[hallow trout]

czn gonna be a chill game tho

[hasty hearth]

i can speculate on some of the nerfs they doing

[wise yew]

Like that uma one

[hasty hearth]

da fuq

[hallow trout]

ngl probably gonna be my side game for a while, unless partner gacha fucks me hard

[hasty hearth]

then just go look at prydwen

[wise yew]

[hasty hearth]

partners arent like

[wise yew]

Isnt czn a main

[hasty hearth]

that huge

[hallow trout]

if only partners werent a thing +100 pts for me

[hasty hearth]

they are good, but like

[wise yew]

Infinite grind

[hasty hearth]

they arent as mandatory compared to other games

[hasty hearth]

technically yes and no

[hallow trout]

no its the fact they exist i dislike lol

[hasty hearth]

u can infinitely grind for perfect build

[hallow trout]

they should just be real characters

[hasty hearth]

yeah true

[hallow trout]

and add artifacts or something instead

[hasty hearth]

they might do something like e7 tho

[wise yew]

How bad was it to grind

Like months to grind?

[hasty hearth]

make them playable characters in the future

[wise yew]

Playing 10hr a day?

[hasty hearth]

well we only had access to lvl 30 content

with level cap being 60 i think?

[hallow trout]

its just slay the spire uma

[wise yew]

[hasty hearth]

yeah

think uma

but slay the spire

[wise yew]

I never got into uma bro…

Fuk

[hasty hearth]

well

[wise yew]

So we can giga min max

[hallow trout]

as much time as you wanna put into the grind you can min/max and grind infinite

[hasty hearth]

uma as in infinite replayibility

gameplay like slay the spire

[wise yew]

Noted

[hasty hearth]

a big portion of ur character power yeah

[hallow trout]

yep but if you just wanna get through shit prob like 10-30min dailies depending on how long runs are

[hasty hearth]

basically ur character is made up like this:
75% deck (the infinite replayibility mode)
25% gear/partner/potential/dupes

i just threw numbers but the deck is definitely the most important part

[wise yew]

Well fuck

Ill see you guys there

[hallow trout]

btw dupes in this game giga op

[hasty hearth]

@hallow trout for whaling u can look at pinned i put down some strong SSR partners with characters

[hallow trout]

[hasty hearth]

yeah they are

[hallow trout]

like actually game breaking with dupes

[hasty hearth]

dupes are really strong

but u can farm them

[hallow trout]

"farm"

[hasty hearth]

and buy 2 copies in shop through mileage

well "farm"

but pretty much they give them out each season

kinda like they do with slates in e7

[hallow trout]

maybe if we enjoy czn enough we can do some eden event stuff

there are guilds iirc?

or were there no guilds?

idr what they said

[wise yew]

I mean

[hasty hearth]

no guilds

[wise yew]

Even if there are guilds

Probably just a guild boss

[hasty hearth]

but given what guilds are in like every gacha

[hallow trout]

[wise yew]

Or something

[hasty hearth]

they definitely can add them in the future

but as of now no guilds

[wise yew]

Yeah we play

[hallow trout]

[wise yew]

End gone in 2 weeks

Never to come back

[hallow trout]

someone gets to inherit the acct then

[hasty hearth]

they better expand friend list

in playtest

u could only add 20 people

[wise yew]

…

[hallow trout]

nah acct got the fun uid i gotta stay locked in surely

[wise yew]

[hallow trout]

or i can sell to ppl who like those unique uid stuff

[wise yew]

Huh

U get to preorder uid?

[hallow trout]

wait fack beta linked to my personal

ok i stay commited at least 1 month right

[hasty hearth]

well ill give u really general overview

[wise yew]

Perfect ill take it

[hasty hearth]

have u played slay the spire jan?

[wise yew]

A little bit

And the board game too

[hallow trout]

https://tenor.com/view/slay-the-spire-gif-20560732

[hasty hearth]

okay so u know how it works like

[wise yew]

Yeah

[hasty hearth]

u pick starting point

and u pick where to go

that's the main loop of CZN as well

u enter with team of 3 + 3 partners

u can honestly think of CZN exactly like slay the spire gameplay

[hallow trout]

partners like your artifact in e7, they just exist

[hasty hearth]

difference is the cards like

for example when u do a chaos run

ull see a golden glint on the card

[wise yew]

So what are we whaling for

[hasty hearth]

which is an epiphany

[wise yew]

If the deck is farmable

[hallow trout]

main unit

[hasty hearth]

which gives u one of the characters unique cards

[hallow trout]

and partners

[hasty hearth]

or upgrades the card (3 choices and u pick)

[wise yew]

Ok

Wait so card and deck upgrades

[hallow trout]

every unit has there own cards, u need only 1 copy to unlock all their cards. but dupes giga buff the cards

[hasty hearth]

basically everything else is exactly like slay the spire

[wise yew]

Are permannet?

[hasty hearth]

yes

[wise yew]

Oh lit

[hasty hearth]

they are permanent and when u complete the run

[wise yew]

[hasty hearth]

the chaos gear + cards u got

[hallow trout]

card upgrades ye, deck upgrades via the actually gameplay

[wise yew]

Cool

[hasty hearth]

are saved kinda like uma career

[wise yew]

Easy

[hallow trout]

[wise yew]

Bet

Surely i got infinite time right?

[hasty hearth]

it's important cuz the zero system or whatever

has a deck CP limit

so like zero system lvl 1

[hallow trout]

i mean you survived grind blue fantasy surely you do

[hasty hearth]

ur capped at like 33k CP

so if u have a 50k+ CP deck

u cant enter with it

[wise yew]

[hallow trout]

they also have new modes we didnt get to try during beta

[wise yew]

Grind blue

Bro

J clicked auto

[hallow trout]

so i hope those are lit

[wise yew]

I autoed everything except 1 raid

[hasty hearth]

yeah one of them is for farming gear pretty sure

[hallow trout]

you can auto here to, but gl if you do

[hasty hearth]

we only had access to some resource farming stages

and chaos up to lvl 3

we didnt have the dusk/dawk thing

and no zero chaos system

[wise yew]

Yeah…

[mighty thistle]

plus we didn't get pvp arena during beta

[hasty hearth]

shut up jaego

[mighty thistle]

[hallow trout]

who gonna last longer in czn

me or jaego

[wise yew]

[mighty thistle]

totally me i even got czn next to my name

[wise yew]

Bro…

Whats even left after czn

I havent kept up at all

[mighty thistle]

like a million open

world game

[wise yew]

Open world exploration

Oh

Skipping em all

[mighty thistle]

i might try the dark souls one and gta one

[hallow trout]

ananta (anime gta), duet night abyss (anime warframe)

[mighty thistle]

wait warframe? pass

[hasty hearth]

here's my tier list

[wise yew]

is that

azur

[hasty hearth]

this is only assuming up to content we had

[hallow trout]

surely one day we get e7 but FGO. thats when i go full liquid and max

[hasty hearth]

and the top 2 units maribell + khalipe are 100% getting nerfed on release

[hallow trout]

[mighty thistle]

never happen

fgo too easy to make money don't need two of them

[hallow trout]

wtf is this garbage doing in A

[mighty thistle]

low quality - max profits

[hasty hearth]

what

magna is good

she was one of my most used units

[hallow trout]

wtf

[mighty thistle]

yeah i bet magna gets a nerf

[hasty hearth]

no

shes pretty balanced

[hallow trout]

i used her in 1 run and she got out dmged by like R units

[mighty thistle]

yeah i already called up the czn devs

[hallow trout]

[mighty thistle]

nerf her and all sheilds

[hasty hearth]

she was the weakest on the full shield team

[hasty hearth]

thats cuz she is all about shields + counter

it's funny watching her counter like 8 times tho

[mighty thistle]

too bad i don't have the gif still of the full counter team

doing 20 counters

[hallow trout]

i just wanted my good old lad kayron

[wise yew]

i didnt even sign up for beta

cuz i forgot

L

[mighty thistle]

kayron was a beast if you built around him

[hallow trout]

https://tenor.com/view/kayron-epic7-gif-23496096

[hasty hearth]

lol da fuq

[mighty thistle]

2000% dmg

[hasty hearth]

combining kayron with mob psycho

[mighty thistle]

e7 players smh

[hallow trout]

kayron on e7 got so many versions now LOL

https://tenor.com/view/czn-kayron-kayron-czn-gif-10420738637785750055

[mighty thistle]

i saw

[hallow trout]

https://tenor.com/view/epic7-game-epic-seven-kayron-anime-gif-8712801807268019810

[lyric osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/czn-kayron-kayron-czn-gif-10420738637785750055

[hasty hearth]

honestly

kayron without partner

[lyric osprey]

Best looking lad

[hasty hearth]

def prob b tier

[mighty thistle]

if i use kayron at all again, every time he has a mind break episode imma be sure to just erase memories

[hallow trout]

[mighty thistle]

can't risk him going back to e7

[lyric osprey]

Lmao

[hallow trout]

man i wonder how my e7 acct doing

[mighty thistle]

mines full of dust seeing howi only played for the first 2 years

[hallow trout]

i still get notifications for it and im just trusting pilot isnt fucking me over

[mighty thistle]

[hallow trout]

wait you still playing that goddess game with ex?

[mighty thistle]

yeah great game

if only it had content

[hallow trout]

oh no

this gonna be another what was that anime copyright game again?

the one with like genderbent def not anime characters

[mighty thistle]

that one you were able to spend way more money in

that one had too much content

[hallow trout]

sepia there we go

is that still alive or they get dmca

[mighty thistle]

they just added a new character

[hallow trout]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-ulquiorra-gif-18539858

[hasty hearth]

looks like an end kind of game if ive ever seen one

[hallow trout]

what they do to my boy

wym im reforming

[mighty thistle]

improved him

[hasty hearth]

u cant hide what's inside

[hallow trout]

no idea who this is tho

[mighty thistle]

ok how about this one?

[hallow trout]

thats not levi right

[mighty thistle]

nope it's guts i guess lol

[hallow trout]

[mighty thistle]

https://i.imgur.com/lyj7rH8.jpeg here lets do an easy new one

[hallow trout]

[mighty thistle]

[lyric osprey]

This game tf

[hallow trout]

mha:tsh trauma triggered now

[mighty thistle]

https://i.imgur.com/9C8UzXi.png here is the character you didn't know without the mechanic outift

[hallow trout]

wel;p now its obvious

[mighty thistle]

outfit was pretty cool it even changed the ult where she was driving a car

[lyric osprey]

SP rarity ?

What does that even stand for

[mighty thistle]

money

[lyric osprey]

[mighty thistle]

https://i.imgur.com/jA3Xdpl.png now end got me looking at all the new characters

[mighty thistle]

https://i.imgur.com/NG4Hu49.jpeg

[hallow trout]

[wise yew]

Bro…

Didnt even hide the cheatsheet here

[mighty thistle]

most of them when they aren't in an outfit are obvious

man might have to grab ex and see how the game is doing

[hallow trout]

huh ex still playing wtf

[peak stirrup]

pin release date pls

[lyric osprey]

We only know it's on the 22nd right? No actual time

[drifting flame]

is jsut iOS release date

ohh announced 22nd no time

[peak stirrup]

i was told 15th for android

or smth

and 22 ios but idk

[lyric osprey]

its 22 for everyone

[vague delta]

I wish they had a steam launch

The stove launcher is so horrendously shit

Or a standalone launcher.. anything would be better

[mellow bolt]

BP alrdy out of content , need this game to come out asap

[peak stirrup]

LOL

it hasnt been a week for bp

[mellow bolt]

ya... lol

[drifting flame]

feels like amonth

[peak stirrup]

is salty nr 1 there

thats what he said

he gonna be

[mellow bolt]

he's pretty high up there ya lol

i think he's waiting on his rebate

the game still hasnt rebated anyone yet from CBT lol

[hasty hearth]

isnt it cuz ur time gated

@mellow bolt also made my own

[mellow bolt]

yeh timegated everyday lol, do 1-2 hours and out of content

this tier list i can somewhat agree with lol

[hasty hearth]

this was just assuming up until what we had in playtest

luke definitely way higher in the end game prob

[mellow bolt]

i m gonna just believe the limited DPS are way more OP

[meager junco]

is that Ulqiorra in female? from bleach lol

[lavish lark]

wtf is Era of Sepia

that still CZN ?

how's the reroll in this game btw

is it at least fast?

[hasty hearth]

Think it’s like 10-15 min or something?

[wise yew]

Is it even worth rring

Or just drop some $$ and go

[mellow bolt]

ofc this option

time is money

[lavish lark]

I'm not gonna start empty handed.. that's for sure

[mighty thistle]

if you are gonna drop money there is no point in rerolling cuz its gonna average out anyway

[wise yew]

yep

[lavish lark]

@hasty hearth imma need a reroll tierlist.. I'm going in blind, and it took me 70 rerolls to get lily in Etheria

like a top5 or something

[hasty hearth]

1. khalipe 2-5 anyone else ur preference really lol

she is getting nerfed on release, but she should still probably be the go to because of how versatile she is

for 2-5. probably a strong single target dps i guess so mei lin, rin, veronica, kayron, renoa

[hasty hearth]

there is since u never know if the one unit u want to get will be ur first SSR or ur 3295392th

i've seen moo suffer from missing 1 unit before

imma just reroll until i get 2 SSR in the beginner that i want then ill whale

[lavish lark]

there's no reason not to.. anyways

unless u are a hardcore reroller like me.. losing 3-4 days on rerolling

[half mica]

Reroll?

https://tenor.com/view/fadding-homelander-gif-16156538903600882075

[hasty hearth]

im not rich like u sir

[half mica]

Oppa you gonna spend anyways

Why reroll

[hasty hearth]

cuz i dont want to be like moo

missing a unit 20k in

[mellow bolt]

btw this month is actually so stacked for games

[mighty thistle]

that's a badge of pride tho

[mellow bolt]

after czn we got DNA then arc raiders right after

what are we gonna do

[half mica]

What’s arc raiders

[lavish lark]

have u played Tarkov Moo ?

[half mica]

Bro dna has an ai

Review and promote their game

[mellow bolt]

it's been awhile but ya

[lavish lark]

1.0 release on the 15th nov

[mellow bolt]

i m not 100% sure but the PvEvP community seems super pumped for it

[hasty hearth]

so overhyped disappointment probably right

[half mica]

Oh shooter game ye?

[hasty hearth]

[mellow bolt]

it's the same people who made the finals

[lavish lark]

extraction shooters basically

[mellow bolt]

so itll be good i m pretty sure

[mellow bolt]

you know what's a disappointment? BF6

ive never been so bored in a FPS

[half mica]

Imma play czn for sure

[lavish lark]

after playing extraction games.. u can't just go back to normal games

[half mica]

But probably skipping duet

[lavish lark]

there's no pressure

[mellow bolt]

yeh of all games coming out this month, CZN is the one i m most excited for

i hope whaling wont make the game boring though like all the other single player gachas

[half mica]

Duet looks like a project that failed already

They removed gacha have some ai reviewing the game

[half mica]

I mean

think that’s for every game

[mellow bolt]

there's no way DNA wont be boring after 2-3 weeks like every other looter shooter

[half mica]

Go semi whale

[lavish lark]

2-3 weeks better than the 3 hours on bf6

[half mica]

Czn has something duet doesn’t

[mellow bolt]

yeh i think CZN semi whale is the way to go

[half mica]

Gooner material

[lavish lark]

huh? duet is full goon too

[half mica]

Not like czn

It’s weak

[lavish lark]

that's true

[mellow bolt]

DNA character models look like a slightly worse version of WuWa lol

[lavish lark]

definitely not the first descendant

[half mica]

Yeah

[half mica]

That’s the game

I feel like duet tried to make it like that one mainly

[lavish lark]

game was fun for a couple weeks

I'm just drawn to roguelike

[mellow bolt]

czn roguelike is actually good even outside of gacha games

most roguelikes you beat it a couple times and you never go back

czn's roguelike actually has a purpose which is nice

but i hope they have some sort of group or guild content so it doesnt feel like a solo game

[lavish lark]

its from smilegate.. probably wont feel like a singleplayer

[half mica]

So far nothing hinted

[mellow bolt]

yeh sadly

10 more days!

[wise yew]

[hasty hearth]

Gotta play with friends

Place ur bets on how long @wise yew will last

I give him maybe 2 days tops

[arctic veldt]

10 days to go

https://tenor.com/view/chaos-zero-nightmare-chaos-zero-nightmare-banner-gif-12525648267784852802

[meager junco]

must suck if you seek dopamin for such a short amount of time

[wise yew]

[hasty hearth]

who the heck is that

[hasty hearth]

what u gonna bet on urself

[mellow bolt]

if you quit czn then you're not a true gooner like miracle

goons must stay together

[hasty hearth]

da fuq

[wise yew]

Im baiting my irl friends to play

[hasty hearth]

is that how ur gonna stay by baiting them?

[lavish lark]

that's a good strat ngl

ur friends better be gooners tho

[wise yew]

Only 1

And hes f2p

[mellow bolt]

you guys can goon together while playing

[lavish lark]

well rip then

[hasty hearth]

u can show him the power of ur whale account and convert him

[arctic veldt]

I typed in the game name on the gif and that was there

[hasty hearth]

dont think that's a character in the game

[mellow bolt]

everytime i see a CZN ad on tiktok, all the comments just say "gooner game"

[hasty hearth]

have they never seen browndust 2

and dont listen to @hallow trout when he says it's a "wholesome game"

[wise yew]

Nah my friend is f2p

Its cooked

[lavish lark]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1064251784324988968/1230656756376670208/classique.gif

[hasty hearth]

for now

[lavish lark]

this game has less goon = not a gooner game

[hasty hearth]

until u show them all ur SSRs they dont have

[mellow bolt]

ngl the actual gameplay of CZN is not gooner at all

[wise yew]

Yeha i did in r1999

He didnt budge

Then i quit cuz i clear everything on auto

[mellow bolt]

how are you gonna goon to tiny chibi characters during battle with a giant monster right there

[wise yew]

[hasty hearth]

[mellow bolt]

only time this game is goonable is during the home screen

[lavish lark]

and ults

[arctic veldt]

Still have the test installed

[lavish lark]

like epic7 .. their other game

[wise yew]

Most games is home screen gooner bro

[hasty hearth]

well now u can whale -> clear everything but not on auto

👍

[wise yew]

U right

[hasty hearth]

can put that old brain to use

[wise yew]

My friends actually play roguelikes

So they are actually interested

Instead of jsut me baiting them

[hasty hearth]

and now

u can flex ur whale powers on them

[wise yew]

I always do bro

[hasty hearth]

their f2p ass struggling

[wise yew]

These f2p/minnow bros…

[hasty hearth]

then again they did say CZN was gonna be f2p game

so maybe they'll laugh at u

"way to pay 2 lose"

[wise yew]

Yeah?but

“Do you have this char?”

[hasty hearth]

trueeeee

hit em with the "ur just jealous i have someone u dont"

[wise yew]

Oh

But one of then is a sacc

So maybe theyll just hit everything

Wins most 50/50, never needs to hit pity

[hasty hearth]

well seeing how in their earlier video that they didnt really do much about the currency acquisition

might be difficult saving for characters

depends on how the events are i guess

like dailies give u 60 currency

u need 160 for a pull

[wise yew]

[hasty hearth]

i think in the playtest we had in terms of raw currency we got from playing

we might've had enough to do like... 20 pulls ish?

[wise yew]

??

What is pity?

[hasty hearth]

70

soft pity starts at 50

[wise yew]

What are the packs we can buy

[hasty hearth]

i think the average someone calculated was like 63

[wise yew]

Was there $$ in cbt

[hasty hearth]

no

[wise yew]

Fuk

No prices

[hasty hearth]

and as for prices

someone did find something

[wise yew]

Genshin prices?

[hasty hearth]

it was on JP server i think

no

cheaper

[wise yew]

Oooohkay

[hasty hearth]

but idk if that was regional pricing or not

[wise yew]

I am from brunei

[hasty hearth]

let me see if i can find an image

ah they closed the playtest channel in czn discord

@wise yew basically according to the image i saw it was pretty much genshin currencies but highest pack was not $100 but i think $85

[wise yew]

Say less

[hasty hearth]

but this was in JP apparently so no idea if that is the correct pricing or not

and the 2x bonus thing for first buy

iirc u got the bonus 2 times i think instead of once

it was 2 or 3 times i forgot

i think 2

[wise yew]

Ok bet