Chaos Zero Nightmare

[sturdy solstice]

hitting with the same

[flat cedar]

it doesnt show its own

so if ur unit is fire

and the monster displays fire

its weak to fire

its not fire element

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[sturdy solstice]

which is literally what he said

[flat cedar]

but weak to it

well i read it as " if the monster is the same element as the unit"

which would not be true 😄

[spark badge]

doesnt make a difference how it's worded lol

either way, they dont interact with each other

[sturdy solstice]

yeah u see fire

u hit with fire

simple as that

[flat cedar]

[sturdy solstice]

and yeah they dont interact with each other

only relevance so far is deep trauma mode

maybe in the other content might be restrictions or something

hell i bet there is going to be something with some sort of restriction

[spark badge]

maybe with the 10 pulls from maint i can get a ssr

ya 100% in the end game challenge modes

theyll have elemental advantage/disadvantage

and theyll rotate that so people can pull

[sturdy solstice]

a lot of characters seem underwhelming at our current stage but huge late game potential

like luke and rin

[spark badge]

they do that in WuWa lol

like elements do nothing in WuWa, except for the end game mode where they slap on resist or weakness to them

just so people can pull for more units

[spark badge]

yeh i wish we couldve got a sneak peak at end game, so we dont waste resources at launch

oh well

hate building characters just to play early game and never use them again

[sturdy solstice]

they making it seasonal so im sure depending on the gimmicks and stuff certain units will be worse than others

then they might be super meta in next season

[spark badge]

or next season, theyll release a stronger version for that element

so people can pull

gotta rack up that $$$

[sturdy solstice]

idk feel like kind of hard to power creep especially for like dps and tank

like what do they do

[spark badge]

oh i m sure theyll have a way lol

[sturdy solstice]

just make a mirabell that has +50% on all the cards

i mean yeah they can obviously power creep but like

[spark badge]

i dont know anything about this company but

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[spark badge]

how is E7 in the last year

[sturdy solstice]

the game has so much combo potential that old units would be relevent for a while i feel like

[spark badge]

were the banners powercreepy?

[sturdy solstice]

i mean e7 is standard turn based gacha

so yeah power creep is lot easier

cant really compare cuz the combo potential is vastly different

[delicate jacinth]

cost of this game looking like worse e7

if you play to max

7 copies to max for combatants and partners

[sturdy solstice]

yup

[spark badge]

either way, im sure theyll find a way to get you to pull for new banners lol

[delicate jacinth]

[sturdy solstice]

fkin hoyo 1/2 character + 6 dlc formula

grossssssss

[spark badge]

and if it's a single player game, theyll just make end game content more and more difficult and tailor them to the new characters

ive played enough of these games to know how they do it

[sturdy solstice]

im not saying power creep wont happen

[boreal oak]

They need to make monie

[sturdy solstice]

but power creep in like e7

essentially makes old character completely obsolete

in this game

at least from what it looks like

old characters will have longer relevancy

[hollow jay]

that only happens in games with pvp

i bet you'll be able to clear runs with any character in this it will just be harder and more rng

[spark badge]

ya we'll see how it goes

[sturdy solstice]

dps prob the easiest to power creep cuz just crunch some fkin numbers

but id find it hard to replace units like

mika and mirabell

[spark badge]

let's just say, in hoyo games, wuwa, and some of the other games, my 6 dupe characters gets powercrept by future 2 dupe characters lol

after 1 year

[hollow jay]

impossible to power creep karyron with is 2000% dmg hit

[sturdy solstice]

yeah but again

[hollow jay]

just scales forever

[sturdy solstice]

those are completely different genres

[delicate jacinth]

wdym, dcorvus still the goat

[sturdy solstice]

i mean he always will be in gw at least

[spark badge]

ya i think itll depend on how end game mode looks like, if it's just a clear, then youll be able to do it no problem in this game

[delicate jacinth]

but yea this single player slay the spire, even if they power creep no way content becomes impossible without x, y new unit

[hollow jay]

i miss when violet's evade was op in gw

[delicate jacinth]

think this just gonna be a solid side pve game

[spark badge]

but if they make the rewards based on turns like in HSR or time based like in WuWa....then itll be tough with old units

[delicate jacinth]

that season of rta in E7 gave me nightmares for weeks bruh

the violet and riolet meta

[hollow jay]

[delicate jacinth]

full evasion with assassin cart

[sturdy solstice]

nah

[hollow jay]

was so easy for me

[sturdy solstice]

full old school

[delicate jacinth]

i hated that shit so much

[sturdy solstice]

ml baal + ml ara

[delicate jacinth]

[delicate jacinth]

nah wym that was the most fun meta

[sturdy solstice]

i bet u owned them thats why

[delicate jacinth]

SSS both

[hollow jay]

man i had them both at launch and they the nerfed her and i did the trade after the korean drama for ml ken

[sturdy solstice]

or remember

the brief period

of fire corvus

[hollow jay]

dude

that was the best

[delicate jacinth]

ml baal i had so many of his base red copy was free

my favorite meta tho was pavel cleave

[steel spear]

skill issue

[sturdy solstice]

what else was aids

degen arby

that was pretty annoying

[delicate jacinth]

senya

[spark badge]

was that the roguelite mode in the story?

[hollow jay]

that was aids when they let everyone grab him after that like picnic artifact came out

[sturdy solstice]

BASKETTTT

[delicate jacinth]

senya ceilia meta

[hollow jay]

yeah basket

[delicate jacinth]

[hollow jay]

i think i stopped playing after senya

[steel spear]

probably

[spark badge]

ngl that was actually hard until i threw mirabel in, then it was a joke

i tried a couple comps, and everyone kept getting mental broken

[sturdy solstice]

da fuq

[steel spear]

sounds like synergy issue

[sturdy solstice]

nothing about the story was hard

even chapter 3 when it was like

[hollow jay]

yeah story you could just use the 3 starters

[spark badge]

i mean on day 1 with no spending , wdym synergy issue lmao

[sturdy solstice]

recommended lvl 25 and 29

[spark badge]

you only have so many units

[sturdy solstice]

just 1 shot through with lvl 20

[spark badge]

you build 3 units and that's all you have to work with on this

if you chose wrong, then you chose wrong

[brisk junco]

What you rate the game outta 10

[hollow jay]

9

cuz i can't use auto in chaos

[sturdy solstice]

gameplay itself a 10

gacha system a 2

[hollow jay]

gacha system is a 2 when i can't spend

[brisk junco]

Overall

[sturdy solstice]

mmmm

[spark badge]

time commitment wise 0/10 , gameplay 10/10 lol

[brisk junco]

Not specific things

[hollow jay]

overall i say 9

very fun

[sturdy solstice]

overall like 8? The gameplay is very fun to me

[spark badge]

itll depend on what the end game is tbh

[sturdy solstice]

yeah need to see more for better judgement

[hollow jay]

yeah gameplay is great i could see myself maybe not playing every day but for sure wanting to do all content

[sturdy solstice]

Basically love everything they made themselves and hate everything they took from hoyo

[spark badge]

the roguelite mode to get stronger builds = farming for better gear in other games, i wanna see what we're even getting stronger for lol

[brisk junco]

What did they take from hoyo?

[sturdy solstice]

gacha system

refresh system

[hollow jay]

they even took the when you get to promotion levels you get 1 gacha pull from standard banner

for each character you level

[sturdy solstice]

oh

translations and decriptions

are fkin horrendous tho

[brisk junco]

My only complains are the partner system and nothing somewhat competitive and no social aspect in any way. Everything else I love but those few things I dislike really make a difference for me

[sturdy solstice]

like i dont get why they didnt just copy e7 with multiple text boxes explaining keywords

[brisk junco]

Especially the partner thing

[hollow jay]

for sure and when you go to farm for a item you need the go back to character button is still in korean

[brisk junco]

I would prefer they just make straight up weapon banner

[sturdy solstice]

i agree with that

[brisk junco]

And the “partners” are playable characters

[sturdy solstice]

i think some of the partner character design are really nice shouldve been combatants

[hollow jay]

"partners" will be playable in version 2.0

[sturdy solstice]

but i mean might do an e7 thing and make an alternate that is a combatant

[steel spear]

i mean they have sprites for them

[hollow jay]

like with e7 artifacts

[sturdy solstice]

yeah

[hollow jay]

characters are now being released

[sturdy solstice]

thats what i imagine

or like ml units

[hollow jay]

what would ml units be element wise tho?

[sturdy solstice]

just without the elements

[hollow jay]

some new neutral element

yeah

[sturdy solstice]

just alternate versions

of existing characters

[brisk junco]

All the characters shown are standard

Do we know who will be the special banner character?

[sturdy solstice]

well there is 4 missing characters in the playtest

[hollow jay]

dunno

[sturdy solstice]

i would assume one of the missing ones

but who knows

[hollow jay]

i'm still waiting for the surprise arena mode to be announced

[spark badge]

yeh i wonder if this game will have a guild system and any kind of guild competition there

[brisk junco]

I hope people give actual criticism instead of “it’s too hard make it easier”

Would kill the game

[sturdy solstice]

i can see them adding guilds in a future update

[brisk junco]

[sturdy solstice]

oh yeah

and increase friend limit

why the fk is the limit 20?

LOL

[hollow jay]

if they make it easier that would be sad

[brisk junco]

I hope so and it’s not even hard just give us guild with some guild boss etc and guild hall they can come up with events later

[spark badge]

ya no making this game easier would take the fun out of it

[hollow jay]

devs should just be like "scrubs need to pay more"

[spark badge]

yeh lol

[steel spear]

didn’t they specifically said no to stuff like auto chaos

[hollow jay]

not to mention i did all content with the 3 starter characters just fine

ppl that fail are just trying to force builds

[sturdy solstice]

these are the 4 characters missing in playtest btw

oh wait missing 5 actually

[hollow jay]

yeah i was like wth where is the bottom right girl

[spark badge]

my only worry for this game is that i just know for end game itll be like, you need to enter this challenge with a bunch of diff teams which equals we need to do a lot of roguelite to minmax each character on each team

the time commitment will be wild

[hollow jay]

she is in a ton of trailer stuff

[sturdy solstice]

5th one missing

[spark badge]

it's nice when this is your only game and you want to play a lot

but when you're limited on time, games like this is gonna be too much

[hollow jay]

i think the time commitment won't be bad

it will be like hoyo events and stuff where they last like a month and you have a month to just get it done whenever

[brisk junco]

I just wish they took more from e7 like it’s understandable if they want e7 to Bebe the competitive guild system game etc

[hollow jay]

i bet

[brisk junco]

But e7 is old news

[sturdy solstice]

i mean

looking at the combo potential of units in this game

[spark badge]

if end game is like hoyo games, then itll be a piece of cake, but farming for gear in hoyo games, takes like 5 min per day on auto

[sturdy solstice]

pvp is definitely never going to happen

[hollow jay]

buzzkill

[sturdy solstice]

pve challenges will probably be a thing

but aint no there will be pvp

[hollow jay]

let me invade other nightmares

[brisk junco]

Yeah idc about pvp

[sturdy solstice]

0 balance whatsoever

[hollow jay]

with like 1 character

[spark badge]

lol elden ring style

[steel spear]

shadow dagger otk

[sturdy solstice]

i mean theres tons of stupid things

[steel spear]

f2p friendly

[sturdy solstice]

guild + guild boss i can definitely see tho

[hollow jay]

yeah they need to do that

[steel spear]

+25 split stress per turn

[hollow jay]

or also for fun, maybe a mode that doesn't actually give rewards but just to play

have a coop chaos run mode

where you and friends can bring one character

[brisk junco]

Nobody will do it if no rewards tbh

F2P love free stuff

[hollow jay]

i would

[brisk junco]

[steel spear]

a medal to put on your profile o

[hollow jay]

but i guess it could also have random matchmaking

for ppl that don't have friends

[sturdy solstice]

what u mean get back into chaos for the perfect build

[brisk junco]

We will see what they do after beta

[spark badge]

they could add pvp and keep it unbalanced but just gives nothing lol

[steel spear]

gotta have all mythical items and minmaxed units or kick

[brisk junco]

Maybe on launch they surprise us with new things we didn’t expect

[steel spear]

who goes first

[sturdy solstice]

btw

[hollow jay]

i mean there could be some kind of reward just you can't save a build cuz you could just have a friend power level you then\

[sturdy solstice]

did anyone full refresh everyday

[spark badge]

dice roll lol

[sturdy solstice]

if so u can probably hit account 30 and do the new bosses in the chaos zones

[steel spear]

loss due to otk

yugioh all over again

[spark badge]

i mean if it's optional pvp that gives nothing, people dont have to do it

just the freaks

[sturdy solstice]

true thats just yugioh

[spark badge]

but it's fun for those who wants to even if it's super unbalanced

[sturdy solstice]

whoever wins coin toss wins

[steel spear]

that’s literally yugioh

[brisk junco]

These are not in beta right or did I miss them?

[sturdy solstice]

elexia is

shes partner

same with ur bottom right

[spark badge]

chizuru holy

[sturdy solstice]

and priscilla

i already posted the ones not in the game

[brisk junco]

Bro how do they make elexia a partner instead of playable

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[sturdy solstice]

these 5 are the ones not in the game

everyone else is

[brisk junco]

2 of them look like 5 stars

[spark badge]

yeh ngl some of these partner designs needs to be playable characters

[still thunder]

[brisk junco]

2 and 4

[sturdy solstice]

might be in future

[brisk junco]

Trax there’s no underaged girls here

[spark badge]

yuki and chizuru, i dont care how much they suck, i m maining them

[brisk junco]

Not your type of game

Which one is yuki

[sturdy solstice]

last one

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[spark badge]

the chungli looking one

[still thunder]

[brisk junco]

A person of culture you are

I’m going to goon to her

[sturdy solstice]

she was in the trailers

[spark badge]

alright ttyl

[brisk junco]

[steel spear]

have fun

[brisk junco]

Just give me guilds and I’ll be happy

[steel spear]

gimme some multiplayer content

even if it’s 2 teams

coop

in an exponentially harder chaos

[brisk junco]

Just give us a boss we have to attack and highest damage = higher rank

[sturdy solstice]

true one thing ill give ER credit for is the wolves co op thing they should do something like that for this game tbh

2 player co-op fight 3 different bosses (just do as much damage in certain number of turns as possible) each person takes 1 wolf each and 3rd wolf u both put units u own in there to make final team

[steel spear]

inb4 otk builds can’t auto play

[sturdy solstice]

never used it but i heard the auto is pretty bad

[steel spear]

how am i supposed to do unlimited shadow dagger works

[brisk junco]

bro i miss when games would give out limited characters as rewards

[steel spear]

maybe that should be my goal for the playtest

[brisk junco]

Now it’s just x amount of pulls or some shit

[steel spear]

40+ shadow daggers

in a turn

take a ss

then label it “this is broken (please don’t fix)

is it actually possible to infinite loop

mika can ap gen but what has enough draw power

[sturdy solstice]

could look into cassius maybe

a lot of neutral cards also have draw power

[steel spear]

usually it’s a cycle card

rather than +1

cycle for 0

i use those cards lol

[sturdy solstice]

2 cost card (can decrease it to 1 with epiphany) draws 2 and uses them automatically

[steel spear]

isn’t vickys draw better then?

draw 2 for cost of 1

and cannot draw self cards

[sturdy solstice]

depends on purpose

because the neutral card uses the cards u draw automatically (cheat the cost)

[steel spear]

infinite shadow dagger

[brisk junco]

Lin and doctor girl are the reason I play

[steel spear]

well infinite anything even

any form of infinite loop

u should be able to thin mikas deck enough and add orb

to prep for otk

[spark badge]

maybe ill try tressa with mirabel

poison+shield is always good

amir looks nice too if her dmg reduction can become an upgrade

[spark badge]

wait amir is cracked ...

[sturdy solstice]

yah

one of the broken SRs

[spark badge]

metalize is crazy

[sturdy solstice]

i dont own her tho

[spark badge]

ngl these SR units have better kits

[sturdy solstice]

what does metalize do

[spark badge]

than a lot of the SSRs

metalize does dmg everytime a shield gets applied

1 stack of metalization does 80% dmg to a random enemy based on defense

using her with maribell is kind of insane lol

just keep stacking shields and itll do dmg on its own

LOL with maribel's upgrade where doing dmg applies a shield makes this comp op af

everytime you attack, you gain a shield triggers amir to attack and apply another shield

oh nvm you have to keep that as a skill instead of a psssive, since metallization doesnt trigger on passives

@sturdy solstice she also has a lot of damage reduction which is 30% DR on top of all the shielding, this team is never dying lol

the dmg is kind of low though lol cause you're relying on counters from mirabel and amir's dmg is quite low even though it's free

[sturdy solstice]

yeah anything that has turn limit prob dont want to run the counter shield team

[spark badge]

ya

how much more damage reduction do i need

[sturdy solstice]

fortitude 4 for -80%

[spark badge]

would be so cool if overflow DR becomes healing lol

then you wont even need a healer

[sturdy solstice]

what do u even need a healer for with maribell

[spark badge]

true

i love shield teams in these kind of games

especially with mental damage

you legit just bypass that whole mechanic

[mild wharf]

I beat that mf sand worm

And they nerf it after

[mild wharf]

You’re finally listening to me… 😭

They didn’t believe

But I knew she was cracked when I saw her design, they spent too much time on it to be anything but good

[spark badge]

this team is pretty cool lol spam a bunch of upgrades for passives and it starts flying

[spark badge]

yeh also visually she's extremely nice to have on screen

who are you running your amir with?

[mild wharf]

I was running her with these two since dirge bullets can be exhausted, but I swapped Kayron for orela or whatever her name is

And then I just auto heal 50 a turn without using healing cards and renoa does the big numbers

[spark badge]

is that the nun healer?

[mild wharf]

Yeah

Since she free stacks healing with toughie and her partner

If you retain toughie

[steel spear]

i havent really struggled with it i didnt know it was hard lol

skill issue

[mild wharf]

I beat it the first time but it was definitely annoying

[spark badge]

ya it seems like she's sort of designed to go together with Amir

[sturdy solstice]

the story one was stupid easy

[spark badge]

since amir has healing buffs

[sturdy solstice]

the weekly one was harder

[steel spear]

story for the most part was easy

[mild wharf]

We’re talking about the weekly one no?

[sturdy solstice]

no story one got nerfed

[mild wharf]

Story one only had like 500 hp

What <_>

[sturdy solstice]

weekly one is untouched pretty sure

and if they nerfed it then

[steel spear]

story just had a ton of stats no?

[sturdy solstice]

hope they stop nerfing content

cuz my god

[steel spear]

i didnt lose but

it was challenging

[sturdy solstice]

i beat it with 3 different teams

how are people struggling

da fuq

[mild wharf]

It was challenging for sure

But it was satisfying

[steel spear]

it wasnt impossible

u had to think

[mild wharf]

Almost cried when the big mf came through

“How the fuck do I beat this 😭 “

[sturdy solstice]

[sturdy solstice]

u dont need to think with the tank + spank comp

da heck

[mild wharf]

My comp you need to

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[steel spear]

im running more traditional comp

tank healer dps

[mild wharf]

I made it myself

[sturdy solstice]

i even ran standard

i ran agony comp

[mild wharf]

[sturdy solstice]

standard

and tank

[steel spear]

infinite shadow dagger when

[mild wharf]

Standard wasn’t even tank in the beginning

That little ras mf is a warrior

I was surprised

Gotta abuse elemental advantages too

[sturdy solstice]

the only one that had a challenge was my

renoa + khalipe + mika

and thats cuz they were level 20

[steel spear]

im trying to level 30

[mild wharf]

I beat both at lvl 20

[steel spear]

to do tier 3 chaos

[mild wharf]

O.o

[sturdy solstice]

agony was stupid easy with it

[steel spear]

bexause chaos is locked by level

[sturdy solstice]

and tank comp didnt even take a single point of damage

[steel spear]

not content

[sturdy solstice]

oh right

agony doesnt decrease his buff

forgot to mention that yesterday

[steel spear]

so when u gonna run

triple agony weapons

with more agony stacking

[sturdy solstice]

not even gonna make agony team on release

not until more agony units release

[mild wharf]

My goats

[sturdy solstice]

ill still build a tressa

but later priority than in playtest for sure

[steel spear]

gl pulling them on release

[sturdy solstice]

well amir is free at least

[steel spear]

also why arent u going into the harder mode

[sturdy solstice]

no way they dont give us even if we dont hit milestone right

speaking of deep trauma mode

they need to add QoL to not toggle it back to normal when swapping characters

not even sure why that is a thing

btw did anyone spam stamina refresh during playtest

i did some, but dont think ill hit 30 until tomorrow

rather play with new toys then spoil new content

[steel spear]

i did a few but not fully

[steel spear]

theres no new content

just slightly harder content

[sturdy solstice]

the

2nd boss in chaos zones appears

starting from level 3

[spark badge]

these mirabel passive upgrades makes the game so easy lol

[steel spear]

wait really

[sturdy solstice]

yeah go look at ur chaos zones

click on 3rd level

2nd boss shows up under appearance

[spark badge]

@sturdy solstice you're captain lvl 30?

[sturdy solstice]

no

[spark badge]

how are you playing on the 3rd lvl of chaos?

[sturdy solstice]

but if u refreshed constantly throughout playtest

u can hit account level 30

[sturdy solstice]

im not lol

[spark badge]

oh ya

i shouldve done that tbh lol

i m using the same team ive got on day 1

might as well have just used gems for stamina

[sturdy solstice]

meh whatever

[mild wharf]

It’s not a question as to whether I will or not

[sturdy solstice]

more surprise content for release

[mild wharf]

But as long as I have Amir I’m chilling

[spark badge]

ye

[spark badge]

you should try mirabel if you have her

for me she's far above everyone

but i dont know how well she pairs with other DPS

[mild wharf]

I never pulled her

[spark badge]

her and veronica together just clears this game like a joke

[mild wharf]

I feel like you definitely need a tank

For end game

[spark badge]

100%

shielder or dmg reduction just completely bypasses mental damage mechanic

which is the most annoying thing

[mild wharf]

I wasn’t expecting a four star to be so amazing

She does a good deal of everything

[sturdy solstice]

just run the full tank and spank comp

[mild wharf]

Improve healing, counter, damage reduction, aoes

Never

Renoa is really good too, but I think there’s prolly better dps

Kayron needs a specific exhaust-riddled team but he does good numbers too

[steel spear]

infinite bullets when

[mild wharf]

If the dirge bullets get turned to 0 cost

Then we’re really cooking

I still think Hugo has massive potential though

He spams follow up attacks that are the same damage as her bullets

[steel spear]

but u can just fire all of it at once with a skill

[spark badge]

Luke has 0 cost bullets...

but he feels terrible to play lol

maybe ill try him again now mirabel can solo clear stuff

i wish i can try Hugo, he seems like a very verastile unit

just pure followups, can go into any team

[sturdy solstice]

luke is late game potential

he has to crit right?

[spark badge]

i cant remember

but his dmg seems low

but he can take advantage of that 0 cost weapon

that gives crit

[mild wharf]

Oh fuck

A fourty pull??

[mild wharf]

Ehhhh, I like holding them for the ballad but I get what you mean

Lemme go pull rq

Got a doggo dupe and two amirs

[sturdy solstice]

did u just sign in lol?

[mild wharf]

Yeah lmao

I’m deployed rn so my schedule is fucked

[sturdy solstice]

still 0 amirs for me

dupe renoa

[mild wharf]

Oh wow, her first two dupes

They’re really damn good

Start with metalicize and her ultimate doesn’t take all the stacks anymore

[green pilot]

So hows the game bois

[dry urchin]

Yea dupes op on this game like genshin honkai

[tall sierra]

Just max everything

Simple

[tall sierra]

Goty why you still ask

[green pilot]

Fuk

[tall sierra]

Time to use your retirement funds

[mild wharf]

[brisk junco]

It’s not perfect but not bad

[green pilot]

No competitive aspect right

Sounds like another r1999 where i just clear everything and dip

[brisk junco]

Yup

[mild wharf]

Might be like Morimens

Where there’s leaderboards down the line

[spark badge]

holy

you got the best girl

[brisk junco]

Which one

[spark badge]

veronica

[steel spear]

i want to have her be able to self load more ballista

[spark badge]

this build gives me 2 free ballista every turn

[spark badge]

ngl playing tressa feels like a shitty version of veronica lol

the dmg from agony is so low (unless you get a good turn where you can throw like a million knives)

[mild wharf]

Tressa is so adorable tho

She made a bead necklace 😭

[spark badge]

cant deny that lol

she's really cute

[sturdy solstice]

it's a dot unit

not supposed to be big bursts of damage

[spark badge]

i mean

it performs in the same way

so you look at total dmg dealt in between turns

but tressa is still good, just not as good as veronica even though they basically serve a similar purpose

[stray comet]

Man the more I play the more this gacha system pisses me off lol

It’s literally the one thing that’s ass about the game

[sturdy solstice]

cant think of it the same what

just because both do damage doesnt mean they the same

dot does fixed amount of damage

so if a gimmick was like the boss has like 70% damage reduction throughout entire fight

dot's would be more impactful

like yes both do damage and raw numbers she would lose to veronica but that's like a given da heck

if dot's could do big burst numbers why the hell would u go anything but dots since it can ignore damage reduction

[spark badge]

not even gonna argue about this lol

they both do dmg after a turn

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[spark badge]

one does little bits of dmg based on each stack, the other does a burst

you can word it however you want, but it does the same thing

theyre different in the mechanic, but they serve the same purpose

[sturdy solstice]

well obviously damage is damage, but u cant strictly say that burst character damage is better than tressa is what im saying

[spark badge]

you havent even played veronica lol

[sturdy solstice]

i dont need to to understand what she does da fuq

[spark badge]

i m not saying a dps is a dps character

[sturdy solstice]

u quite literally are

ur literally saying

[spark badge]

does it matter if it's burst ?

[sturdy solstice]

"damage is damage"

and veronica number > tressa

[spark badge]

i m saying they both do dmg after a turn

if veronica's gameplay = do dmg after a turn with ballistas

and poison/agony = do dmg after a turn

what's the difference?

[sturdy solstice]

because agony

does fixed damage

do ballista's do fixed damage?

aka

[spark badge]

ok so

[sturdy solstice]

go through damage reduction

[spark badge]

it's worse?

lol

like right now it's worse

[sturdy solstice]

yeah sure if u say shes worse for like current stuff i can agree

[spark badge]

what, you want me to make a statement based on some unknown future instead?

[sturdy solstice]

but just strictly saying

she's better when agony mechanic obviously would have uses

[spark badge]

i mean

i dont talk about unknowns and theorycrafting

cause that's just guessing

[sturdy solstice]

u dont need to though? Like i agree for current stuff ur statement holds true

But just because we haven't seen something yet doesnt mean to disregard the potential uses lol

heck for example

current weekly sandworm guy

has high amount of carapace which is damage reduction

[spark badge]

well when that time comes and there is data then we'll know lol

[sturdy solstice]

and tressa just trivializes it

obviously it's not the only strat

but it's a good pick into that kind of thing

[spark badge]

but right now it's obvious who's stronger

[sturdy solstice]

yeah of course

[spark badge]

ya when end game comes i guess we'll have better calcs

but for early game investment

i wouldnt put anything into tressa if i have veronica

[sturdy solstice]

agreed

[spark badge]

most likely by the time agony becomes needed, there will be a 5* that will be strong at it

[sturdy solstice]

im not planning to put anything into tressa, but eventually i will

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[sturdy solstice]

especially if they incentivize some sort of

specific archetype or element restriction

[spark badge]

actually ya, when breaking the element is needed, maybe i would invest into tressa early on too but we'll see

does agony break the enemy?

i couldnt tell

[sturdy solstice]

like trauma damage?

[spark badge]

or does it have to be a direct dmg from a card instead of a status effect

ya

[sturdy solstice]

not sure ill test that

[spark badge]

also what's the difference between agony and poison?

they dont explain it, i tried clicking on the text but there was nothing

[sturdy solstice]

poison is debuff that applies more agony when u apply it

and confirmed agony does not do tenacity damage @spark badge

[spark badge]

ok ya figures

cause the bar barely moved when i tried tressa

it was probably coming from the card dmg

onl;y

[sturdy solstice]

basically poison applies 2 agony when u apply 1 agony

so pretty good

[spark badge]

ya

when tressa has her ego up with the one that applies a bunch of aggony + gives daggers

and you have a dagger card + poison stacks

and you can throw like 8 daggers at once

that's when she gets pretty nice

but other than that, her dmg is a bit low

ugh 3.5 weeks to go

ill prob just pull so i can get a copy of each unit, dont think ill be maxing dupes on this game

[sturdy solstice]

oh just to clarify

poison isn't like whole turn debuff

loses a stack when u apply agony

[spark badge]

oh

that's still decent i guess

[steel spear]

infinite shadow dagger otk when

[hoary ledge]

I dont want to lose this account

[sturdy solstice]

just swipe on release np

[steel spear]

too bad

ur swiping on release

[spark badge]

need game to release now

nothing to play for 2 weeks

we just got 30 pulls

log on!

got a rin dupe...this game lol, i only got 3 SSRs and their dupes

[spark badge]

im gonna try out this guy...lol

[spark badge]

wtf

insane

[weak leaf]

i have 5, 5 stars now

[surreal rover]

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[weak leaf]

still have beginner banner

RIP my release luck

[spark badge]

wtffff lol

should go out and buy a lottery ticket

ok i dont know if it's cause my owen is at max dupe or what, but he's super strong

[spark badge]

ok ya this guy is actually on crack, big shields big dmg and big debuffs (he has a couple super OP cards, not sure why it doesnt show up on this screen)

his ult does big dmg + shield too

[mild wharf]

Yeah he’s a great starter

Baby Ras goes hard

I got this shield off two cards 😭, chaos mode ain’t nothin

[sturdy solstice]

i just got rin

holy fk

shes a whale unit for sure

she needs ego 4 and i think she's absolute nuts character

[spark badge]

yeh she's a big dmg character

[dry urchin]

yea rin is op

i said it

[spark badge]

she definitely needs a battery unit to go with her though

[sturdy solstice]

for sure

or

big brain

just get 3 spheres start with almost ur entire deck in ur hand with 12 action points

[spark badge]

i wish this game gave 4 characters per team lol, it would make it so much easier for team building

[sturdy solstice]

just 1 turn kill them

[spark badge]

but i guess then it would make it too easy

[sturdy solstice]

even base kit

she does a LOT of damage

[spark badge]

yeh i m gonna try her tmrw once i get more stamina to get her ascension mats

i got her 1 dupe

[sturdy solstice]

but shes just a different flavor of mei lin

mei lin is kind of similar cept like easier set up compared to rin

[spark badge]

so far mika+mirabel is just straight up S tier

you can run any DPS with them and youll clear the hardest chaos without losing 1 hp

[sturdy solstice]

funnily enough

rin's trauma goes against that

not a huge deal, but might come up in the larger chaos space

she gains stress if u didnt lose any hp during a fight

[spark badge]

rin's trauma?

which one is rin again

[sturdy solstice]

dual katana chick

[spark badge]

oh

is she good?

[sturdy solstice]

yeah

kind of annoying to use

unless u have the potential or i guess preferably dupes

pretty much perma stance at max dupes

just did a run with her with 0 potential and even then she is strong damage number wise

u def need god run tho of the special upgrade that would reduce cost of card by 1

[spark badge]

oh wait

rin is BDSM girl?

[sturdy solstice]

yeah

[spark badge]

ah damn i was gonna try her tmrw lol

maybe i shouldnt since i dont have any units who can support her

[sturdy solstice]

shes still good

u can run her with mirabel + mika and be fine

[spark badge]

hmm

[sturdy solstice]

but her playstyle

definitely annoying at first

especially without the potential which alleviates it a little

[spark badge]

i might wait for the 30 pulls tmrw and see if i can get someone else

btw who else is a battery besides mika?

i havent really seen anything

[sturdy solstice]

no one

lol

[spark badge]

lol

[sturdy solstice]

technically

nia is a different form of battery

and khalipe as well

nia can like copy cards or something

[spark badge]

hmm

[sturdy solstice]

khalipe can be an ap battery but only if they take tenacity damage

[spark badge]

but they dont have action points right

other than mika

oh

[sturdy solstice]

yeah only mika gives action points really

or well directly from her own cards

[spark badge]

i hope one of the characters at launch is is also a battery

having so many AP hungry DPS in this game with only 1 battery unit is tough

[sturdy solstice]

well

[spark badge]

at least mika is also a healer so she fills 2 roles at once

[sturdy solstice]

there might be better items and stuff that help with it

like the sphere thing

but maybe a more consistent +1 every turn or something

[spark badge]

yeh

[sturdy solstice]

also there is special upgrade epiphany

that can decrease cost by 1

[spark badge]

ya

i think for launch ill go with either the veronica build with ballistas or Hugo with FUA

so AP is never an issue

and i can run that team with a shielder+healer

[sturdy solstice]

imma build all da characters

well ssr and some of the srs

i tried to cheese chaos by leaving as soon as i saw entrance cards werent what i wanted and re-enter

then i only got 1 option instead of 3

[spark badge]

oh are you gonna whale on this

[spark badge]

ya

they stole that from HSR lol

in the HSR roguelite mode it's like that too

atleast they give you the 10% here, in HSR they just straight up dont give you the beginning buff lol

[sturdy solstice]

ill spend but not sure if ill go whale

[stray comet]

Same

[steel spear]

oh

level 30 chaos is so fun

THERE’S 2 ZONES now u do back to back

[brisk junco]

Wish it was launch already tbh

[steel spear]

2nd in a row

[steel spear]

smh they didnt translate this

i lost lol

normal mobs having 4k hp x3

and hit for 1k per turn

and i was hitting over 500 shields from dpsing alone

cause of this card

[sturdy solstice]

yeah we all know bout that lol that's why maribell is op as fk

[sturdy solstice]

theres a legendary ring that got huge potential. Basic card attack count +1

[spark badge]

oh nice i got magna from my 30 pulls today

i wonder who's her best team

reading her cards, she seems like a worse version of maribel lol

[sturdy solstice]

shes more dps oriented

but overall yeah

worse maribell

fun unit tho cuz she can stack lot of counterattacks so u can just counter 8 times in 1 turn lol

definitely has aoe over maribell tho

[spark badge]

yeh

i wish i got khalipe

she looks really strong

[sturdy solstice]

shes the most versatile unit in the game imo

slap her on any team and she will work

[spark badge]

yeh seems like it

big dmg big shields

guess we got some choices for the launch at least

[sturdy solstice]

her single target isn't the best

but everything else is

i think if ur gonna reroll u would reroll for khalipe

[spark badge]

for me im going for veronica

ill prob play the exact same build , it's by far comfier than anything else ive tried

mika maribell veronica

[sturdy solstice]

dps is definitely the easiest thing to replace tho

[spark badge]

the thing about veronica is

you dont need to play any cards from her to do big dmg

it's just a passive

[sturdy solstice]

well u would like khalipe then probably lol

since majority of her cards have celestial which is played for free if u use a 2 cost+ card

[brisk junco]

Luke the best

I’m unstoppable with Luke

[sturdy solstice]

doesnt luke revolve around crit?

i know there is the weapon that gives 25% on 0 cost cards

[spark badge]

wait do you have her?

[sturdy solstice]

khalipe? yeah

[spark badge]

so everytime a 2 cost card goes, the next one costs 0?

[sturdy solstice]

i use her on every team ive tried lol

no

it just automatically gets played

[spark badge]

but if you only have 3 AP per turn

doesnt that trigger only once per turn then

[sturdy solstice]

no

wait

what do u mean by that

so

if it's lets say for example

1 2 cost card and 4 of her celestial cards

and u play the 2 cost card

all 4 of her celestial cards get played automatically

[spark badge]

oh

is it common to get that set up?

[sturdy solstice]

yeah

[spark badge]

like a 2 cost + a bunch of celestials

[sturdy solstice]

she has couple cards that aren't celestial

which are also 2 cost

[spark badge]

hmm sounds pretty good then

[sturdy solstice]

but u obviously just want to stack as many celestial cards in her deck

[spark badge]

maybe depending on what the other units, ill make a veronica team and a khalipe team

[sturdy solstice]

funny thing is

her main gimmick

actually nerfs her

[spark badge]

most likely we'll need 2 teams for early end game anyways

[spark badge]

who are you running with him? i kind of want to try him again before this playtest ends

[sturdy solstice]

she has 3 cost card that does aoe damage + shield that has celestial

and when she activates it 3 times

the card turns into a 2 card bigger aoe dps card

but it doesnt have celestial

it doesnt change back to the celestial 3 cost until u play it

so actually nerfs her

if u max dupe her that converted card gets reduced from 2 cost -> 1 cost

[brisk junco]

Ngl I don’t know the names but I was runnng guitar girl and the 5 star girl with white hair+gun

[sturdy solstice]

nia and renoa

[spark badge]

what the heck lol

[surreal rover]

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[spark badge]

you're such a whale

[sturdy solstice]

?????

[spark badge]

alrdy talking about max duping

[sturdy solstice]

what

im just saying max dupe effect

i aint max duping

[spark badge]

here comes 20k max dupe miracle day 1

[sturdy solstice]

thats u wtf

[spark badge]

is Nia good? i have her but i dont have enough resources to lvl her anymore

i guess she's a healer and a support

[sturdy solstice]

lot of people like her

interesting unit

[spark badge]

yeh

btw magna also has a skill that gives shield based on dmg

it's 50% instead of 30%

can this one upgrade into a passive as well?

if so, then she just straight up powercreeps maribell

[sturdy solstice]

ur talking bout like mirabell with all attacks?

[sturdy solstice]

i havent seen it but could just be rarer so i didnt see it

ill run couple more with magna and see if it exists or not

[spark badge]

i think there's a way to check actually

once i get out of the game

in the menu option, you can see all epiphany choices for each card

[sturdy solstice]

oh ur right

no nothing like that

[spark badge]

damn

ok then that sucks

i mean it's still ok

but at this point maribell is just straight up better lol

[sturdy solstice]

overall yup i agree

[spark badge]

this is etheria all over again

when the 4 stars are better than 5 stars

[sturdy solstice]

kind of different tho

like mirabell is strictly better as shielding unit

magna is more sustainable in terms of AP usage than mirabell imo

cuz magna cards have lead on it

which decrease cost of card by 1 if it procs (50% chance)

and magna is definitely way better dps wise than mirabell (exclusing the single target damage based on shield)

[spark badge]

hmm i guess ill play with magna a bit more today to see how she works

[sturdy solstice]

especially in terms of aoe

just pop the 2 cost that turns her counterattacks aoe

[spark badge]

ya i havent seen many of her cards yet

i m on my first run with her and her cards barely popped up lol

i guess the good thing about this game is that there is a lot of replayability

[sturdy solstice]

dude

some of these rare events

are so fkin op

[spark badge]

minmaxing each character in chaos + make multiple diff builds for diff reasons

[sturdy solstice]

i just got this new rare event

gives u a a0 cost card that decreases a attack card in hand to 0 or 1

[spark badge]

oh ya

[sturdy solstice]

or u can remove 2 cards from ur deck

[spark badge]

ive gotten that one before

it's really good

actually magna will be needed for the other team

if i want to do healer+dps+shielder

we'll most likely need 2 teams for early end game, if theyre following hoyoverse design

[sturdy solstice]

@spark badge oh dont forget magna has card she gains counter whenever u gain shield

so the counters can stack up real fast

[spark badge]

oh that's pretty good

ya i think if there is an enemy that attacks fast and often, magna will be pretty op

but so far it seems like most units have good use cases

the abundance is in DPS units

while shielders and healers are all good

@sturdy solstice i m gonna try seven knights and just play it casually while waiting for the next game to launch lol

[sturdy solstice]

7k

fuqin netmarble

[spark badge]

yeh i dont like netmarble

did i tell you

i went to their head office this year in seoul lol

[spark badge]

wait what's 7k?

[sturdy solstice]

7 knights

[spark badge]

ohh

[dry urchin]

[spark badge]

ya

gonna try it for a week and uninstall

gonna be so bored with no game to play

[dry urchin]

you won't have fun without spending alot

[sturdy solstice]

perfect for moo

since hes rich

[spark badge]

ya i m gonna just uninstall when i hit a wall

[dry urchin]

true

[spark badge]

nah ive learned my lesson

i m done with spending on games that i dont enjoy lol

[dry urchin]

oh you'll hit a wall fast they made units level cap 30 without whaling

[spark badge]

wtf lol

cant believe they still doing this in 2025

[sturdy solstice]

can totally believe it it's netmarble

[spark badge]

sad times

i wish there was another genre of games that gave the same excitement as gacha lol

just not as fun without the gambling aspect lol

holy there is this 1 buff for Chaos you can get that makes rare rooms more common

i just got the 3x chest room 3 times in 1 run lol

look at my gold lol

[sturdy solstice]

dats a lot of gold