#ZZZ (Zenless Zone Zero)

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mental breach
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"within the house" the doorstep is not within the house

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"on the window of the house" has two different meanings depending on whether its context is inside the house or outside the house

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If you lean out your window, you're still 'within' your house

mental breach
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leaning against the window is within your house

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hanging out the window is outside of the house

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I'm sorry, you're wrong 😦

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It's ok

mental breach
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I'm not 😦

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take it up with AI

mental breach
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AI is horrible at context

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So are you, apparently lol

mental breach
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I'm linguistically correct

cursive cloak
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You're not any kind of correct, but at this point I'm more curious why you're still banging on about this

mental breach
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I mean, read the second answer

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you ask if something at the edge of a window is included

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And it gives you an answer completely irrelevant to your question

cursive cloak
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what? it literally explains the phrase it used

mental breach
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I have enlightened you about the truth, just like the person prior to me

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i asked for clarification because I figured you still wouldn't stand being wrong without further clarification

mental breach
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Now all that's left is having you admit it

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If I was wrong, I'd admit it. But I'm not. And you seem determined to claim the same

mental breach
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But you are wrong, so it's weird that you don't admit it, you are rejecting your own statement

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As in, since you are wrong and know you are wrong you should admit it, but you aren't

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But that's because of a concept known as human pride

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some have too much of it

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jagged coral
jagged coral
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@misty sinew

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Was this you lol

misty sinew
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No lol

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My Zhu is only C1

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But that’s wild

cunning creek
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C1 is huge, able to get bullet from chain and burst, I am gonna try to get it before her banner end, if not then universal stunner

snow dragon
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this video definitely reset for good crit rng on the zhu side though shes 34 cr statpage lmao

cunning creek
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ye, her passive which give 30% crate couldn't activate since she solo, he probably don't bother changing 4 slot to crate, if she has more crate, she could clear it faster

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finally hit 40, the drop rate on pink materials is so low, dang

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oof, used coffee for boost drops, still ended up with 0

ancient finch
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We must use the blue to make purp

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yeah i started doing that. feels not as efficient, but oh well

cunning creek
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Infinite Abyss done guess I am bored

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jagged coral
ancient finch
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That's right

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Ellen feels so much better than zhu x.x

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but it sounds like there's no point going beyond 15

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just ducked out at 15 and the only difference is that you got more dennies and some of the tier 1 exp things

cunning creek
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guess I am bored

cunning creek
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can't do braindead spam attack + directional button with her

ancient finch
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Not too much more tho xd

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seems to be what folks tell themselves after going too deep on her

ancient finch
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I like ellen cause that double dash hold slash

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It's satisfying for me xd

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ellen feels a lot smoother to play, and her run speed is nice on the more open maps

ancient finch
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Facts

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Zhu circle enemies pretty fast but her dmg feels less

cunning creek
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are you sure its not your gear then?

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unlike Ellen, Zhu Yuan don't need her signature

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which make her more f2p friendly

ancient finch
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I have her sign too xd

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Ellen just hit like a truck xd

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I will wait for later game to really judge tho since both have mid stats xd

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oh my dennies

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moving 3 units and their engines from 40 to 50 hurts

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probably going to need a ton of dennies farming to go from 50 to 60

elfin bone
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Anyone got some tips for playing the game? Finally got time to play and bought an account

stable iron
mental breach
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what kind of numbers does ellen do?

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It's true that zhu seems to do less poise damage which also could be referred to as (zhu doesn't) hit like a truck

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but piper also does 0 poise damage

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That's numbers (i checked a video)

jagged coral
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You need 2 teams

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Proper weap

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Bangboo

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Disk farming

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Depending on acc lv

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Hopefully it's an acc with ellen and lycaon soukaku

elfin bone
jagged coral
elfin bone
jagged coral
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You got piper Lucy nicole good

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If you could get s11 would be better

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For now focus only on your mono ice team

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Positioning matters in chain

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Soukaku first lycaon second ellen 3rd

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Energy/ team buff into stun into ellen burst

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@elfin bone

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How?

jagged coral
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Have you been putting units wherever

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Uhh yeah

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Lycaon first ellen second soukaku last

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I would have him set up or stun someone and then swap to soukaku for buff and open up with Ellen after

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What does positioning do and when did they tell us that?

misty sinew
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My two beastly ladies

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still geyser
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misty sinew
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They are good I guess

snow dragon
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nicole lucy good too

still geyser
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No koleda

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Whose lucy

mental breach
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piper's partner

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the one with the hat and the bat

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anyone bought the level 10 gift box to see if additional boxes are available/worth it after that?

still geyser
mental breach
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They're worth it if you plan on spending anyway

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since all of them give their cost in primogems

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is it just exp and dennies? or do they add more interesting things to it?

misty sinew
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oh they have batteries too? that's nice

misty sinew
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Pretty sure it’s only 1-2 max but still good

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It been awhile since I bought the earlier lvl packs but lvl 50 had batteries

stable iron
misty sinew
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Actually…….an improvement

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i read some conflicting stuff online that suggested a different ice order

mental breach
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I always make sure to hit the actual stun with the dps, that makes it so that the special attacks always cycle back to the dps

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Using chain attacks to deal the stunning hit also seems to technically increase the duration of the stun, for the duration of the chain attack's animation

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i'm guessing there's a difficulty spike thats occuring, but i don't really understand what to do about it. i've noticed ballet twins at 50 and some of the last round hollow zero stages that despite dodging or swapping characters, i'm still taking damage

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i don't know if there was a nerf in general or if the windows in later stages are just tighter? but for some reason i'm taking WAY more damage and unable to just avoid attacks all together

cunning creek
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the beyblade move? if it is then since the twin deal continues dmg, even after dodge it will still hit if you get close enough

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the iframe for dodge is really short though, I usually dodge again and just move backward or do chain assist

wise pier
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the prophecy side quest was awesome, i totally cheesed it with bombs tho to get the true ending

cunning creek
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I did it twice just to get this achievement

stable iron
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jagged coral
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Is what th3 consensus on the official discord

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o rly? friggin prydwen

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are there good guides on the discord? perhaps i should hop over there

ancient finch
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My only 2 decent rolls

mental breach
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prydwen is just really garbage

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You should just read the set effects once and you'll know which is the best

stable iron
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it either

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2 polar 4 woodpeck

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or other way around

jagged coral
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This is so true

stable iron
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crit rate

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and ice dmg

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i may consider pen but that about it

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the other set isnt good what so ever

elfin bone
still geyser
elfin bone
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Lmao, fair

jagged coral
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@elfin bone how's the game play going for ya

mental breach
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the 4-set bonus of the ice set is much better than the 4-set bonus of the crit set from what I vaguely remember

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ice 4-set, 20% perm dmg%, 20% dmg% after shatter
crit 4-set, 9% atk up to a maximum of 27% if you juggle

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of course the 40% damage is better than the 27% attack

elfin bone
mental breach
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dmg% also comes in later at the calculation than atk%, there's more sources for atk% than there is dmg%

elfin bone
mental breach
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attack is based on base attack which is character's atk + weapon's attack, so 9% for ellen is 938+714base which is 148 attack

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The only counter argument is that her signature weapon gives 25% ice damage at r1 and 50% at r5 which diminishes the value of the disc set's dmg%

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I had heard penetration is an OP stat, even in here

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so I would have thought the 2pc of 8% pen was better than a 2pc of 10% ice dmg

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mental breach
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I heard pen was overrated because characters can't properly benefit from it unlike def down

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I thought majority of ellen's damage came from her dash attack and base attack tbh but I vaguely remember people saying they just spam E on her

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I'm not sure if you can consistently keep up the 27% attack bonus since it requires dodge counter but 18% seems doable

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i generally used lycaon to knock someone down to stun, and then open up with ellen

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so she does some damage with basic or dash but most of her damage (in my experience) was from special and chain

mental breach
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I guess in that case 18% atk bonus would be more than 40% damage bonus

stable iron
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charge attack give her 1 basic ice attribute, not full charge

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so ya, for ellen

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4 set woodpecker is more ideal if you are f2p

mental breach
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the 4 set bonus of ice doesn't give ice dmg%

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But when you say it that way, getting the atk% 2-set is also considerable

ancient finch
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Ice atk and cr 2 sets

mental breach
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lol

ancient finch
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Is this the new best idea?

jagged coral
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Polar 4pc wood 2pc

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i guess it depends on playstyle, but are you really sitting there doing most your damage with her basic and dash attacks?

mental breach
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I haven't played Ellen alot so I can't judge that fairly

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On corin it wouldn't make sense of course because she only uses her chain attack or assist attack

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I assumed ellen had more of an on-field role than that though

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gura brings up a good point though. Those with Ellen dupe are probably playing her a lot different with lots of charged dashing attacks to use mostly ice attacks. i could see polar being more useful there

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but as it stand i'm mainly using lyacon til the enemy is stunned, unless we're chaining assists

mental breach
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For me my lycaon is only on field when his EX skill is up

jagged coral
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1 charge atk into max stacks then basic dash atk.

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Does the dmg before the chain combo starts

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I don't

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Only got the one copy of her

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Wasn't whaling on this game

jagged coral
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I didn't whale

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I poured all my summons into her banner only

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i mean getting 3 copies of an exlusive unit requires luck or swipes

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you got lucky, that's nice

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that would normally cost like $300 to chase though

jagged coral
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Actually not entirely true I got lucky on weap after getting her 1 time then did it

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i got very lucky at the start, getting lyacon on 1st multi on both banners

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then i went all in on Ellen but didn't get her til late

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swapped to weapon and that took a while too

jagged coral
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Damn

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didn't have much left to chase for dupes

jagged coral
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Hopefully when her banner comes back

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You can get those 2 copies

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i feel like i should spend on a 2nd team though, but i don't know how big a deal the shiyu defense really is

jagged coral
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It's pretty big

mental breach
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I got zhu yuan weapon and C1 the moment she released

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patch 1.0 gave enough resources for that

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I only lost one 50/50 though

jagged coral
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Lucky

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Did you get resonanceboo

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Aswell

mental breach
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the weapon banner being 75/25 is a saving grace

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Nahh I don't have that one yet

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I got amillion last here but am hoping to get public security boo next patch

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I don't have devilboo yet neither

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mental breach
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It is what it is

jagged coral
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I'm saving now

mental breach
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I think it only stings if you're trying to get more than r1

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when you get it or you don't get it it is what it is

jagged coral
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I need fire units

mental breach
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according to leaks no fire units for a while

jagged coral
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What ele is Jane doe

mental breach
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electro I thought

jagged coral
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Damn

mental breach
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ohh physical

jagged coral
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Wait

mental breach
jagged coral
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So nekomata

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Has competition

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hmm, wonder how that messes with a grace + piper team

mental breach
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anomaly instead of attack

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If it's about physical as a dps I don't think anything outranks piper :3

jagged coral
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Nekomata doesn't exist

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so how does grace support piper in a team?

jagged coral
jagged coral
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so grace stuns and then piper goes to town?

mental breach
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I don't know what grace does tbh, don't have her yet

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I assumed people pair them because grace gives anomaly proficiency but that was fully an assumption

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i think grace charges the shock meter super fast

jagged coral
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She also gives def dwn

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Or was it pen

mental breach
jagged coral
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Either or those massively helps piper beyblade

mental breach
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I guess this is the reason

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having piper in the team buffs grace's damage

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are they same faction?

mental breach
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attribute

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both anomaly

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There is no other anomaly characters yet

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oh i thought attribute was shock vs physical?

mental breach
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and the constuction characters are mid

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hmm good point, I am probably mistaken

jagged coral
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The rest are lol

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people are saying ben is nuts for late shiyu defense

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just shrugging off massive boss attacks with minimal effort

mental breach
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just dodge 😉

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He's the only defense type unit currently, right?

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yes

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i'm usually good at dodging, but these later stages are getting relentless with multiple chained attacks and dodges seeming to not be considered 'perfect' for slow down time

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such fun

mental breach
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best ben disc

still geyser
stable iron
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+3 in def

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you gucci

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XD

still geyser
stable iron
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and +1 in hp

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boss now need 2 shot to get you

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instead of 1

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doubled my chances!

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the new arcade game is even worse than snake

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fortunatley you can finish it in 10-15 min

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oh no, there's achievements for polychrome, gross

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oh i guess that's more for the solo version of it

mental breach
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really? I liked the new arcade game

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Was very fun and fast paced

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I don't achievement hunt though

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at first i thought it was going to be more strategy

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like find the larger blocks of color and cut your way down

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but it's mostly spamming the attack button and hoping you land on a better path than your opponents

mental breach
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Thinking takes too much time on it yeah

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At most you move to a coin

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i won all but 2 games, but the strategy was simply, go down as fast as possible while avoiding spikes

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even picking stuff up didn't seem worth the effort most the time

cunning creek
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there are a 3rd arcade game? isn't the event using the 2nd one which already available since launch

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i'd never seen soul hounds before. maybe it was, but i also didn't do snake any more than i had to

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as part of the story, with billy and for the recent event

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dang, weekly challenge in hollow zero is normally to do interior and above. didn't read it carefully as now it's heartland and above

mental breach
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Yeah, same

visual cedar
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hollow zero takes so long, i wish we didn't have to do 5 per week

mental breach
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It's pain

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I haven't cleared nest yet though

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is that the last one? i haven't unlocked it yet

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i'm nearly 43 so i'll be able to do the last ballet twin soon

mental breach
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Yeah, it combines the effects of all three of them and you get to pick practically

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But it's more randomness

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70 Poly for codes - KANURBT5MQ8D, CATCHABOO

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now that i have butler and plugboo i don't know which bangboo to bother chasing

mental breach
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The event bangboo is just too OP

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the physical anomaly 4* bangboo

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I got butler, plugboo, revolver looking boo, amillion

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Now I'm saving for securityboo

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mental breach
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yeah

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wtf

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i'm just realizing we have these?

mental breach
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we get them on the battlepass

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yeah, i just didn't realize there were wildcard mats

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been farming when i didn't need to

mental breach
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I always save them up for when a character with a new mat releases

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But I can't see that happening in this game since there's no need to introduce new enemies since it would imply a whole new class or element

jagged coral
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1.1 soon can't wait for new content

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Hopefully they add more games at god finger

mental breach
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I'll be pleasantly surprised if they add street fighter

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not that i care bout fighter games, but an arcade isn't complete without one

cunning creek
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Need bullet hell

mental breach
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They should hire touhou and implement touhou

cunning creek
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best I can do this SD

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i'm having some difficulty picking which w-engines to update while i wait for s-rank ones to drop

mental breach
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I'm still behind on shuya defense since I'm pre-farming lv60

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i had ignored s-defense for a while

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just went in and rolled a few today

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think i hit 9 and was A rank by like 30 seconds, so i'll have to wait a bit

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my 2nd team is still kinda iffy

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but i'm real torn on what w-engines to invest in for lycaon and grace

mental breach
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I'm also split at spending many more resources on lycaon and grace since they're standard characters

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I feel like i should upgrade the hot pot for lycaon though

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Currently using the fossil one

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i was going to do the hot pot too, especially since you can craft more in the engine shop

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but i didn't know if when i got enough currency from summons if i would just buy his s-rank

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right now i'm using the maxed out b-engine for him as it's an easy 12% daze increase

mental breach
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at first I was saving up the currency but around 400 I got too lazy and just traded them all in for 20 rolls :3

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anomoly is tougher though. Pipper at least has a signature one. but I'm not sure which to use for grace. the other 3 are all comparable

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mental breach
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The s-rank standard weapons don't look too appealing in effect

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for lyacon it did

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"Lycaon's Signature W-Engine, an engine with good Stun buffing stats but also higher damage output compared to many other generic options. Grants 18% Standard Impact unconditionally and a stacking buff each time the wearer hits an enemy occurring at most once her skill. This buff can be stacked up to 5 times, lasts 8 seconds and increases the wearers Basic Attack Daze% and DMG% by 6% for a total bonus of 30% DMG and Daze. A reasonable option for all Stun characters with competitive stun buffs, but trades the energy regen of some other stun W-engines in exchange for a damage buff."

mental breach
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I think I really like the BP anomaly one, I don't have piper's signature yet so haven't seen that one

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18% impact with a stacking 30% dmg AND daze?

mental breach
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lycaon signature
18% impact
30% daze (after 5 hits)
30% dmg (from basics)

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yeah the BP one is alright, the upside is that if you keep doing the BP you'll be able to max it without having to put much effort into it

mental breach
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steam oven
50% err
25.6% impact

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I only use lycaon on field for his EX skill or ult, rarely for his basic attacks

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But if you play him with his basic attacks signature is 100% better

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ah, i'm usually using his basic attacks to crush out a stun

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do you prefer his ult over ellens?

mental breach
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In my experience so far lycaon's EX + his ult gets the enemy to 80 and the remainder I just do with piper's EX

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i sometimes use it just to get a large chunk of stun in if i need to break them again quick

mental breach
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I don't have Ellen's, against bosses I prefer lycaon's ult, against mobs I prefer zhu yuan's ult

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otherwise i just use him to break them down, then open up with ellen and drop her ult then EX's

mental breach
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If the enemy gets stunned quickly anyway I just use zhu yuan ult

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For a lot of content I also don't use a stunner anymore tbh, but that's because I just dish out so much damage

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My main team is piper - corin - zhu yuan currently dankpuff

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Which of course I need to split up for shuya defense

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corin and piper both have high interruption resistence so stuns don't really do anything for them

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zhu yuan gets a huge damage buff when the enemy is stunned though

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currently zhu yuan does 60% damage in my runs and piper 40%

cursive cloak
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i didn't bother getting zhu yuan yet. saving for future since free currency and summons seems to dry waaaay up

mental breach
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I was lucky to get C2R1 for relatively few rolls, seems like we're getting ~80 rolls next patch though which is a bit on the low side

snow dragon
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all done

ancient finch
mental breach
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shuya defense is running on 15 day cycles after all, we are already on shuya defense 3 x..x

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rip

cunning creek
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are you sure?!?!? isn't someone said the first one was a month long? linstare

mental breach
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ahh that might be the case, but I kind of doubt it

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people were basing it off of the shop timer but the shop timer is always a month

cunning creek
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here

mental breach
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I don't think blitz reached the limited shuya defense mode by then, they were only interknot level 41

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there's no chat log confirming that he made it there so he probably based it off of the shop timer too

cunning creek
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he said only first floor

mental breach
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Ohh you're right

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Then that's slightly more reassuring

cunning creek
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'-' you even respond after that

mental breach
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I must've thought he meant one of the earlier floors, one towards the end of the normal ones is also ether

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snow dragon
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whats wrong with the shark

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i honestly don't know, i thought that's what we were supposed to use original

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but then everyone started talking about butler

still geyser
cunning creek
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Dragon ballllll

still geyser
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Mega still playing?

meager dagger
mental breach
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Lol hsr this patch ouch

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genshin impact banners are also so lame this patch, I think they'll maybe make 5.000.000 this patch

cursive cloak
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kinda surprised ZZZ doesn't have more bundles

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i mean, it's nice that they don't

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but if you did want to whale on a banner your only option is just a normal swipe

mental breach
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That's the case for all of hoyo's games I think though

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Very surprised by it too though

cursive cloak
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you can't convert lower quality disk parts into higher quality ones, can you?

mental breach
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In a roundabout way

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lowest grade has an 11?% chance to make an A-rank disk, mid grade has an 11% chance to make S-rank

cursive cloak
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eh

elfin bone
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it's so cute! Which one should I go after next?

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mental breach
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securityboo

elfin bone
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I got recommended Resonaboo

mental breach
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too few ether characters yet

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that one is only recommendable if you're using both nicole and zhu yuan in a team currently

elfin bone
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I don't see a securityboo yet

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mental breach
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securityboo releases in 1.1 ye

elfin bone
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so save my tickets, got it

mental breach
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the first next ether character probably releases in 1.3 so if you don't have/aren't going for zhu yuan resonaboo should be skipped

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that's my opinion currently ye

still geyser
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gotta catch ém all boos

ancient finch
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Ngl this game has the absolute worst events of all three games xd

jagged coral
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Lol

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yeah i feel like i'm running out of shit to do pretty quick

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nearly done with side stories, about to be done with hollow zero

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other than shiyu defense and daily stamina, what then?

still geyser
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do 1 shiyu per day

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instead of 17 per day

cunning creek
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thats basically every gacha

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login > daily > event > logout and waiting for the next patch

cursive cloak
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At least new wow patch is coming

still geyser
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Livestream today

meager dagger
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UNDERCOVERRNB

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NEW CODE

still geyser
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24hrs only

cursive cloak
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is it just me or does this never work?

snow dragon
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its translated wrong

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ur meant to get a random value up to 999 back

mental breach
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patch 1.0 is just really poor but I heard 1.1 events aren't gonna be any better

ancient finch
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Oh gawd

cursive cloak
cursive cloak
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uhh the lyacon trust missions are... questionable in content

mental breach
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There is a beta yeah but 1.1 livestream was today too

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qingyi quest
jane doe quest
phathon quest
no other content worth mentioning
hollow zero shortened in time it takes

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Stories are good to release but if the only content in a patch is story it's a little dry

cursive cloak
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shorter hollow zero? yes please

snow dragon
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Hoyo games aren’t known for their quantity of content tbf

still geyser
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Ya

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Maybe ZZZ will be different

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Then ppl will complain too much shit to do

cunning creek
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its actually their strategy since most hype part usually the first two weeks of the patch and their other games update schedule is two weeks apart each (excluding hi3rd and ToT), they want us to jump between their games every two weeks (ever since they introduce Hoyoplay)

mental breach
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That's just a way to counteract the human limitation of development and beta testing s:

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But either way, star rail quickly introduced more end game modes and doesn't have the concept of character quests

Genshin always has time gated content that takes me forever to clear

ZZZ seems to be taking the route of being chracter story focussed (especially since animations improved) despite looking like it would be end game oriented

cursive cloak
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not really sure which upcoming unit to chase for my 2nd team, or if we'll need to start considering a 3rd team

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seems like grace + pipper sort of conflict with both of the new units coming though, so my ideas on 2nd team will need to change

mental breach
#

jane doe replaces grace but keeps piper

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piper acts as a damage buffer additionally to a physical anomaly buffer, which jane doe is too

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But of course element diversity is important in the mid game so grace isn't fully irrelevant

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qingyi is just what zhu yuan is missing in available characters currently

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seth I don't really know what he does yet

cursive cloak
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so qingyui and zhu yuan will be used even though they're in different elements?

mental breach
#

Yeah, they are both pubsec

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qingyi is also a stunner, not a dps so her element is only half relevant

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(there's also literally nothing else that pairs with zhu yuan)

cursive cloak
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dang, so it seems grace will get shelved and since i didn't go for zhu yuan i won't have much need for qingyi

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might be best to table grace regardless and go for jane doe and make a physical team

mental breach
#

Can always swap them based on demand yeah

cursive cloak
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anyone doing level 50 challenge levels able to say how much better the drop rate is there?

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is it worth prefarming at 40, or just wait til you can do 50?

cunning creek
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I myself do disc farm since 45 and will farm mat when I reach 50

cursive cloak
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I’ve been doing most the same but just worry I’ll end up short on mats and with bad discs haha

cursive cloak
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omg, it's not fair. just ran polar/freedom and got two S-tier freedom discs. both were crit/crit substats. why can't i get this stuff for ANY of my mono-ice dps

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almost all of pipper and grace's gear is crit/crit and it's a total waste

mental breach
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I've beeb farming mats since 42, currently nearing 48 but don't have all mats yet

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haven't even started on talent mats yet

cursive cloak
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oh dang

mental breach
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This is for 7 characters

cursive cloak
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oh dang

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that's a lot of characters

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i've expanded my focus from 3 to 5 right now, was waiting for a decent 6th

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but with the new units coming i think i need to rethink my entire 2nd team so i'm just focusing on the mono-ice still

mental breach
#

lycaon
piper
corin
anby
ghost maid
zhu yuan
jane doe

qingyi
hands kitsune
hands pink hair

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this is my current focus and delayed focus

cursive cloak
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Rina would be nice to run with pipper and grace

jagged coral
mental breach
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piper is the strongest dps in the game currently

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Unless you have ellen/zhu yuan at higher than C2

jagged coral
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I do

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Rina and grace though

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2 long range 1 short range

mental breach
#

wdym?

jagged coral
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Also don't they get further way when using there ex

mental breach
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When you use perfect assist the short range teleports to the enemy

jagged coral
#

Ahhh

cursive cloak
cursive cloak
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ugh hollow zero weekly is core only now

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just did 6/11 challenges and it's getting dicey

cursive cloak
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anton just hit 6/6, i'm praying qinyi + grace and him is a decent team

stable iron
cursive cloak
cursive cloak
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dead game? dead chat?

jagged coral
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Nothing going on

mental breach
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new patch in 4 days

meager dagger
still geyser
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Everyone busy with #1269133775321829416

ancient finch
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Busy with socks

cursive cloak
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Oh yeah i forgot to finish reroll in that

cursive cloak
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man the absolute majority of 4 and 6 slot disks rolling def/hp% mainstat is bonkers. and any time you get atk% all the substats are flat stat to boot

mental breach
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I haven't faced the rng yet

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But I somehow got 4 anomaly mastery during this event with crate and cdmg stats

cursive cloak
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all my anomaly pieces coming with crit/crit is disheartening

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i think i'm going to have some last minute FOMO pulls for ZY

mental breach
#

anomaly mastery is anomaly buildup rate, anomaly proficiency is the damage it deals

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so anomaly mastery does pool up with crit damage/rate well

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It seems like corruption (ether anomaly) causes the enemy to take increased ether damage, so it sounds like crit damage would just double that increase

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ice anomaly increases crit damage taken
ether anomaly increases ether damage taken

physical increases daze taken
fire does DoT
electric does DoT (when the enemy gets attacked, chance for extra shock damage to proc exists)

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so the first two are busted as fuck

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the second especially

cursive cloak
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oh the only units I saw that wanted anomaly mastery are the ones using anomaly proficiency, which i was told can't crit

mental breach
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Yeah the proficiency can't crit but the mastery you would want on zhu yuan since it buffs her ether damage

cursive cloak
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as a main stat or just minors?

mental breach
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mastery can only be main stat

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so anomaly mastery competes with atk% with wanted mainstats

cursive cloak
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right, i find it hard to believe you'd want that over atk%

mental breach
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So longer fights would want anomaly mastery since you benefit from the ether dmg% more, short fights want atk% because the enemy gets corruption way less anyway

cursive cloak
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but i haven't seen any comparisons, so i don't really know

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atk% seems more balanced then and anomaly mastery for pushing new content?

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i guess it's not a big deal since it's just one disk to swap back and forth and not an entirely new set

mental breach
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for end-game content yeah, but just farming content is done in no time anyway

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Either way it probably matters little s:

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So the best way to go about this is: whichever has better substats

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Another note

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Enemies weak to ether get stunned when corruption is applied which means zhu yuan gets both the ether dmg% from corruption and 80% damage buff when enemies are stunned from her core skill

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This is partially assumption, I don't know if the stun refers to a daze stun only or any stun

cursive cloak
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I’m going to lose it. Just did two 10x on the banner. Got double A on both. 4 Ben in 20 pulls. He’s maxed. Still m0 Nicole

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scratch that 5 in 30. you can keep pulling him after maxing him. isn't that fun?

ancient finch
cursive cloak
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haha... 6 in 40. This game truly hates me

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melted down, instead of saving for future units, decided i would try and build a ZY before Q comes out to pair with Nicole. Pulled Ben at a 3:1 ratio to Nicole. Lost 50/50 to Kolada and still didn't end up with ZY. big oof

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the upside is i have 620 residual signal. now i need to decide if i convert them into summons to get ZY, or just get a signature engine for lycaon

mental breach
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it gives a free roll towards pity

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I'm skipping lycaon signature, he's good but also good with 4* engines

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and will get powercrept strongly anyway

cursive cloak
cursive cloak
mental breach
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With an A rank pity I look at it this way, it's a 50/50 to get a rate up character and then a 50/50 to get the rateup character you want

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So currently it's a 75% chance for the character to not be nicole (unless you're on guarantee pity)

cursive cloak
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converted all the signal to summons, and hit her 10 from pity. so probably won't have enough to pull on Q without swiping now

mental breach
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I'm at 62 rolls saved up with some content to clear still

cursive cloak
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fancy you!

mental breach
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Nahh I mean, I'll also be struggling to get both qingyi and jane doe

cursive cloak
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i was in pretty good position, it's just ZY was very unlucky to me

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foolish endevour, i should have held my ground haha

cunning creek
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physical defense dankpuff

ancient finch
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Nice

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Think I like Jane more still xd

mental breach
#

wow is that the next character from piper and lucy's gang

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that design hits way harder than I was expecting

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sons of calydon, it is yeah

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I wonder how she would synergize with them

cursive cloak
#

wow 2 defenses announced. wonder if they'll be changing the meta up

mental breach
#

what is the other defense?

cursive cloak
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isn't seth a lightning defense?

#

hp% should be removed from main stat slot 4, this is getting ridiculous

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lol i wish i was joking. just ran the same disks, the second run was two MORE 4s and they were hp% and def%. It's an absolute joke

mental breach
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Ohh I guess yeah, I assumed you meant a new unit or a 5* unit

cursive cloak
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i did, the link above is Seth, the new lightning defense coming after Jane

mental breach
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He comes out during jane and is a 4*

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He's one of the two 4*s on Jane's banner

cursive cloak
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oh, i'm fucking blind

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my bad

cursive cloak
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i know it's hyo, but jfc, why is it acceptable than nearly 90% of 4/6s are hp/def?? just crafted like 40 chaotic metals and they're all useless

ancient finch
cursive cloak
cunning creek
stable iron
cursive cloak
#

fuck this game

ancient finch
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Lolol

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That's messed up

sonic haven
mental breach
#

yikes

cursive cloak
sonic haven
#

your time will come, I believe.

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Then it returns to garbage for 100 pieces

cursive cloak
#

my first 2 pulls in this game were gold, then it all went to shit. my disks have been shit. i'm due my run for pure gold! i'll let you know if it ever happens

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i'm so tempted to burn batteries to get from ik48 to 50, but i'm thinking it'd be better to be patient and just hit 50 then burn batteries

sonic haven
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that'd be the responsible thing to do, yes

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now if only the tin master would let me have a second cup of joe

cursive cloak
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yeah the responsible thing to do would have also been to save 160 summons for jane

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but i burned that shit on ZY

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i was able to m6 Nicole but now I need to pull Qinyi, which given this run is going to be expensive

sonic haven
#

i got lucky with ellen but my hubris lead to me failing pity with zhu yuan and having to pull more

cursive cloak
#

i feel you brother

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i'm real bummed i didn't even have a chance to pull for ZY's engine

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gotta settle for starlight with her

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but moving forward i think engines are probably just bait

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gotta stick to units

sonic haven
#

she functions fine with it anyhow

cursive cloak
#

those crits would be nice. i'm having trouble getting decent subs for her

sonic haven
#

the epitome of all hoyoverse games sadly

cursive cloak
#

yeah, i'm starting to remember why i quit their others

#

the heavy weighting they give to disks is awful

sonic haven
#

it's been getting tamer with each iteration at the very least

cursive cloak
#

well i regret not just being patient and making a grace + jane 2nd team but now that i'm going in on ZY + Q, I just hope I don't have to break the bank. will hopefully wise up after that and be able to save responsibly

ancient finch
#

Wow look at that bangboo

cursive cloak
#

don't think my phone is going to have enough space to get these bit patches

#

my company also wants to halve my HD space. may have to finally drop iphone for an android

jagged coral
#

Andriod is the way

ancient finch
#

Facts

cursive cloak
#

at this point i'm just so deep into apple i don't want to deal with having to move my 15 + year photo library

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or having it inaccessible on an android

cursive cloak
#

finally beat shiyu defense 10 and now i see it unlocked a timed/seasonal section

#

wish i hadn't been sleeping on that

cursive cloak
#

the level 60 thanatos is so dumb. he attacks with no telegraph and was even hitting me while dodging

sonic haven
#

a boss designed wot waste time

ancient finch
#

Guess it was meant to be

elfin bone
#

Is Qingyi worth it?

ancient finch
cursive cloak
#

I'm guessing Cui would be worth it if you're running ZY + Q but I'm curious how he performs

cursive cloak
#

wow qingyi feels really fun to play in the demo

#

ooo 3 new quest chains to do, should help bridge the gap to 50

cursive cloak
#

fuuuuuuuck. my 3rd lycaon.... never hit the 50/50

stable iron
ancient finch
#

She feels so broken xd

leaden sand
jagged coral
mental breach
cursive cloak
#

i'm running out of resources, i think i built too many units heh

mental breach
#

I haven't been farming disks yet so I'm pretty alright

#

have the resources to bring qingyi to 60 but she hasn't come home yet

cursive cloak
#

i ran out of exp disks for her at 40

#

going to be a lot of farming required once i hit 50 to get everyone to 60. i'm now understanding why i should have been prefarming a lot more mats instead of disks

stable iron
mental breach
#

Yeah, the mats rewards increase by 25% at level 50 but you just need so much that starting to farm them at 40 doesn't hurt

#

Eventually you're gonna be farming drive discs eternally anyway

#

I got soldier 11 on my 50/50 for qingyi so I'm suddenly farming for her now too, she's a character I wanted anyway but that's side tracking at its finest s:

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(I am also out of exp discs)

cursive cloak
#

I got such a nice disk for her but don’t have her yet

#

Got 3 Lycaon now though lol

#

Had to chase Q hard but now I need to do some serious farming to round her out and get the rest of the team ready for 60. Will probably take a while and I’ll need to start farming dennies

ancient finch
#

She is sus

#

She just be a fan of the rover

stable iron
leaden sand
#

why didnt luck sac for shark girl bruh

still geyser
#

i lost 5050 on zhuyuan and qingyi

gritty river
#

missed 5050

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but hit lycaon

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so its a win

#

ima save for sword girl now

cursive cloak
#

i lost 5050 on all 3 units, 2 were lycaon and the last was koleda. game wants me to stun, i guess

#

maybe they'll make it up to me with jane, but for now i think i have my 2 teams locked

#

oof, man exp disks are a real concern. can't believe how many we actually need after we burn through the freebies

sonic haven
#

Poverty

ancient finch
#

Happened to me in star rail but it's only temporary

mental breach
#

In star rail I just hit it again :3

#

Have no more exp materials there

cursive cloak
#

finally hit 50, the drops are much more appealing for farming now

cursive cloak
#

wow, 50 to 60 takes a L-O-T of exp

sonic haven
#

☹️

ancient finch
ancient finch
cursive cloak
#

start stocking up on promotion mats, exp and dennies

#

i probably did way too much disk farming up front but i don't even have enough to make a single unit to 60 yet, let alone a full team

mental breach
#

I get the pass on genshin but I only now started leveling a bunch of meta 4* characters

#

It has helped me since I can now consistently clear 12-3, I just didn't bother for a long time

#

I have 2 units level 60 and 5 units lv 50 + ascended

cursive cloak
#

new code: BANDP43VWC7H

#

60 credits, 6000 dennies

ancient finch
#

Hmm

cursive cloak
#

man, i'm debating using my selector to build one of those for her

#

nice substats, not the best rolls

mental breach
#

I'm hesitating super hard

#

I'm nearly at soft pity for qingyi on the 100%

#

but should I save that for jane doe/burnice

#

so split

sonic haven
#

🗣️

cursive cloak
#

Trying to decide if I should go for qinyis sig machine. But doubt it. I may end up skipping Jane as I have two full teams now

#

Tapes on normal banner gave me Rinas sig. and I don’t have her yet. Big RIP. Much sad

#

Would have been thrilled to get some kind of decent stunner one

sonic haven
#

i mean, most of the 3* and 4* does pretty well for stunners

cursive cloak
#

Was using the vortex and not terribly impressed

ancient finch
cursive cloak
#

this is some of the most unfun bullshit i've ever played

image.png
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shadow jane is cheap as fuck and even dodging her attacks ends up getting your teeth kicked in

mental breach
#

I've made a decision

#

I'm skipping qingyi and pulling both jane and burnice

#

then stun + anomaly + zhu yuan will be team 1 and stun + anomaly + anomaly will be team 2

cursive cloak
#

Why so much anomaly?

still geyser
mental breach
#

anomaly is broken dankpuff

#

Before I thought piper would only be broken mid game but end game she still is dankpuff

#

My opinion of burn anomaly has also changed after I've learned burn combo proc causes all of the burn procs to proc at once

#

burnice bound to be broken

#

I also got grace's engine on standard a moment ago

jagged coral
#

Finding out burn is broken now

mental breach
#

the only burn characters are ben and soldier, right

#

burn on ben would defs not be broken and soldier isn't really an anomaly applier

cursive cloak
#

hmm, people in maincord were saying burn is useless. guess they haven't learned it's power yet

mental breach
#

burn by itself just applies DoT which is pretty useless but the burn disorder is that all of the DoT procs at once

#

So burn by itself = bad, burn with another anomaly is good

#

There's just nothing that applies it fast enough to match piper's application

#

But burnice applies the anomaly off field meaning piper gets to do both physical and fire anomaly damage

cursive cloak
#

oh, i guess i don't get how disorder works either

sonic haven
#

It's that bar that fills up around the element symbol

mental breach
#

That's anomaly

#

Disorder is when you trigger a second anomaly shortly after the previous, a special effect occurs

sonic haven
#

ah

steel onyx
#

is jane a cow

still geyser
#

rat

steel onyx
#

i thought i saw hooves

still geyser
#

u saw ass

mental breach
#

weird design but I guess the red smutches are supposed to be the red claws

still geyser
#

she identifies as waifu

steel onyx
#

i see

#

she considered a furry?

still geyser
#

no

steel onyx
#

oh ok

#

idk if i wanna pull for her

#

ellen beats the whole game i need a big strong looking dude

still geyser
mental breach
#

Rumors are lighter got turned form a 4* to a 5*

#

but he's still a twink

#

I guess you mean you want Lycaon but a dps

steel onyx
#

i saw something a big dude

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leader of something

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i forgot the name

#

it was something about the first ever proxies

mental breach
#

Ohh that youtube video

steel onyx
#

this one

#

smash everything with the big dude

mental breach
#

Considering the name looks like a defence character though

#

I forgot what the trailer said his special mark in history was

steel onyx
#

probably is

#

just from his build

#

kinda like ben

cursive cloak
#

would be neat to have an S defense that did something unique

cursive cloak
#

finally some decent luck

#

was going to craft a crit dmg chaotic metal but managed to get it as the only decent 4-6 disk crafted out of 30 by luck

#

it added crit rate on the 1st roll and then dropped 3 into it

mental breach
#

Ohh nice, I crafted mine yeah with selector

cursive cloak
#

i'm now struggling to find a decent 2nd woodpecker for her as i got 3 crit/crit 3 slots to drop and one was decent, which is leaving me short one

#

i have an A-tier ether dmg, which is a step down from my S-tier one, but that has shitty substats, so it might be worth using for the time being

mental breach
#

I'm currently leveling soldier 11 but I think I should put that on hold soon, I'm better off bringing Rina to 51 and then prefarming jane and burnice

#

will need so many resources whenever a character comes around

#

and ideally I'm able to prefarm drive discs for both of them

#

a new anomaly set releases next patch though

cursive cloak
#

the jump from 50 to 60 on stats doesn't really feel any different

#

and this new 'story' fight against shadow jane is so god fucking awful

#

it feels like it breaks all the combat rules the game has had in place that you've played to date

#

it feels cheap, broken and just plain unfun

sonic haven
#

I hate farming for woodpecker

#

Only ever getting the other set

cursive cloak
#

i stopped farming for it and just use the disk parts to craft it

#

because you're right, getting the def set sucks

#

but i'm getting really fed up with this typical hoyo bullshit. of the 30 disks I crafted, I think 12 or so were 4-6 slot. I no joke got 8 Def%, 2 HP%, 1 electric damage (on an ether dmg set) and 1 crit dmg. So really only 1 decent out of 12 of those 4-6 slots

mental breach
#

I haven't fought Jane yet

#

But fighting playable characters means alot for future content

ancient finch
#

Crazy how pen is all I get as upgrades on this character

stable iron
cursive cloak
ancient finch
#

I just see electric character and put electric set on and build impact

mental breach
#

I heard electric set is better for mono electro teams, any other team the other set is better

cursive cloak
#

Though I hear Q does decent damage don’t may not be the worst idea. I’m running her with ZY so just using her to start the combo asap

leaden sand
mental breach
cursive cloak
#

Wait why are you rolling the weapon banner??

#

That’s like whale only territory and generally if you want the on banner sig

mental breach
#

have you read her weapon :3

cursive cloak
#

I’m tempted but with my luck I’ll bomb it and won’t have shit for Jane if I decide for a disorder team

mental breach
#

in star rail they also undid the whale territory thing on wepaon banner

cursive cloak
#

You but if you don’t have her why do you want it?

mental breach
#

I did roll the normal banner and am guaranteed to get her within 15 rolls so I have a failsafe

#

weapon banner I'm still 40 away from soft pity

cursive cloak
#

Oh nice.

#

I’d make sure to get her first. She will be used in so many teams it seems

mental breach
#

Her weapon is also not exclusive to her in this case

#

weapon gives 0.7% impact per basic attack up to 30 stacks and 20% damage buff to whole team

#

18% impact as secondary stat

#

that sounds godly on lycaon too

#

But yeah, if I lucksack the weapon I will spend a bit for the few more rolls I need to get her

#

if I don't get the weapon I'll get both jane and jane's weapon

cursive cloak
#

Right I get that. But it seems to shine for her given how FAST she attacks

#

I am tempted to go for it too given that she’s currently using the blue vortex engine

#

But as it stands I’m completely out of dennies

#

I need a bunch of farming still to finish folks to 60

#

Right now I’m basically trying to decide if I want her engine or Jane more

#

As I had to spend more than I wanted to get Q after chasing ZY a long time too

mental breach
#

That's some damage

#

(execute triggered on nineveh)

sonic haven
#

my neck appreciates this

mental breach
#

s: sorry

ancient finch
jagged coral
#

Jane doe is so good glad I skip the last 2 banners

ancient finch
#

Did u have to skip them xd

cursive cloak
cunning creek
#

in my experience of hoyo, pulling on universal limited buffer/debuffer is better than dps in this game case stun and support role, not only they are universal, they also last longer in the long run compare to dps

jagged coral
#

You play what you like

cunning creek
#

until you realize the character you pull got replace 3 patches later, and rage quit the game

snow dragon
#

Is true

#

Supports are da wei

ancient finch
#

True but I feel we gotta start at one of the dps xd

cursive cloak
#

i get that ellen and ZY will get power crept, but it's not like they're going to be useless, right?

mental breach
#

I read jane's constellations

#

and oh god

#

her default kit also lets phys anomaly crit

cursive cloak
#

whaaa? really?

#

so much for skipping dps, eh?

mental breach
#

If the dps is also a buffer, 👀

#

she wants 300 for max benefits C1 and that gives phys anomaly a base crit rate of 88%

#

the cdmg is only 150% but c2 increases that to 200% but also provides a 15% def down debuff

cursive cloak
#

fuck that does look pretty OP

#

they make maxing characters and engines take so damn much, the speed they're releasing them i'll never be able to keep building the units hah

#

but those duplicate buffs are getting wild. sure turning the whaling up to 11

sonic haven
#

That's the cycle until a year or two in

cursive cloak
#

I’m such a dope

#

putting faith in this games gacha is sadge

#

got the tea pot, but man did it take damn near pity

mental breach
#

I think it'll take me the remaining of the banner time but I think I will get it before the end

#

I haven't done 1.1 content yet, need to do some character stories and am 40 rolls away

cursive cloak
#

time to rebuild my stash (or warm up my card) if Jane seems like a good idea

#

but man do I still have a ton of farming to do to finish up these units. i'm largely ignoring the 2 support units

mental breach
#

the exp materials too :/

#

I feel like star rail was lighter to farm

cursive cloak
#

The subreddit had a lot of people pointing that out too. No other hoyo game has been THIS stingy out of the gate it seems

mental breach
#

I'm surprised baout the maount of content they were able to push out on 1.1, I expected an expressive game like this to have a harsher release cycle

cursive cloak
#

i'm guessing it's a 'skill issue' but it still feels pretty wonky, but anyone done this shiyu yet?

image.png
#

even when you're dodging this guys hits land and they do an absurd amount of damage

#

i can dance all around him and then all of a sudden i get smacked once or twice and my unit is nearly dead

#

feels WAY over powered for a level 53

mental breach
#

He's super punishing yeah, eventually I got him to the point where no hp bar was visible but then I calmed down and then he KO'd my corin

#

I was questioning whether it was my choice of characters, anby corin piper

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He also becomes 10x harder if he enters his enhanced state or when all of his prompts suddenly become red prompts because red prompts still do damage to your characters in the background when you swap out

cursive cloak
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missed by a fraction of a second

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uhhh wtf

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but now on the map it says S rank

mental breach
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lol

stable iron
mental breach
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not bad

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if only I had a ice character

sonic haven
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Sumday

leaden sand
mental breach
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I just did the bare minimum for rewards :3

leaden sand
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im too much of a tryhard so i need that last one or ill go insane

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fish eye lens and all

cursive cloak
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new event is tons of tv

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seems like they might have been hearing the complaints about needing to farm a ton

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this event may give a bunch of mats and at least also gives an EXTRA 60 energy from a 2nd coffee

still geyser
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I got 1 S and all A

stable iron
ancient finch
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Lol

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What is that xd

mental breach
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tom and jerry reference s:

snow dragon
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i am ready

still geyser
still geyser
snow dragon
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never

mental breach
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It's 3.9m dennies to max a character dankpuff

still geyser
stable iron
mental breach
cursive cloak
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Swipe

stable iron
cursive cloak
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game is becoming zzz

mental breach
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I'm so hype for Jane, I haven't completed all chracter quests yet though

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I've been enjoying hollow zero more now that my characters actually can manage max intensity nineveh

cursive cloak
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i feel kinda dumb having chased ZY + Q so hard

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I should have stuck with my gut and waited for jane

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Q feels so weird to play, as she gets hit and interrupted during her combo so much

mental breach
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You know where I'm at

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I'm at guaranteed soft pity on qingyu and nin guaranteed soft pity of the weapon

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I praised that if I get the weapon before soft pity I would get qingyu too, I didn't get the weapon

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A full 30 pages with just soldier 11

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150 rolls x..x

cunning creek
cursive cloak
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for some reason she just seems to take more damage than any other unit

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i don't know if her windows are shorter or what

elfin bone
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I barely play this game due to school kicking my ass

still geyser
cunning creek
ancient finch
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Can I use this for anything

cunning creek
mental breach
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Jane

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Jane has crit rate and damage in her kit

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anomaly scales with phys% and pen but not crit

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but since jane has crit in her kit it's fine on her

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oh that's c6 :3

ancient finch
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Lol

stable iron
cursive cloak
ancient finch
tropic schooner
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so

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how do you enjoy this game, some weeks later

mental breach
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it's so good

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the artifact grind is much less bad than I expected

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I still have some story to complete

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hollow zero is a 10/10 once endgame characters have been reached

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the weekly bosses are still tough

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the new shuya defense mode is interesting, also tough enemies

tropic schooner
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in short, you recommend ?

mental breach
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with emphasis on "some weeks later"

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anything not end game is a bit of a chore to go through

cursive cloak
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and there's not a huge rush to clear the end content now as the rewards are SO minimal

sonic haven
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I like it, the sfx tickles my brain

ancient finch
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Yeah this more casual game for story lol

steel onyx
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im still level 39 and ive been playing since release

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its kinda fun but extremely repetitive button smasher

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i do dailies and one quest a day

iron lily
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same

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im 37, i barely play