Honkai: Star Rail v2

[stray pulsar]

You can try but not sure if I’ll be much help.

I don’t pay attention to anything lol

I just swipe and auto

[minor pilot]

I'm way to out of touch with what to expect and when.

[warped canopy]

@ivory lynx

keep going or restarting with a starter?

[stray pulsar]

I mean you have JL and RM

Why restart?

And lvl 80

[ivory lynx]

No reason to really restart. Having acheron as a new player would be nice but then you'd definitely need pela cause u wouldn't have kafka, sw or swan

Also u have Ruan mei and jing liu so u fine rn

[warped canopy]

ty

[karmic sparrow]

Why are you wanting to restart

[warped canopy]

idj

idk

[ivory lynx]

Yea u restart u get hard walled by trail blazer level for a bit unless u using all ur Stam pots

[safe elm]

Galdo always different

[quick flicker]

you get exp gated on star rail restarting isn't fun

can't do the higher lvl stages

[warped canopy]

right

thanks

imma keep the acc

i might get archeon anyway

[onyx anchor]

galdo back?

[ivory lynx]

https://youtu.be/Ytv7uVJH0Ak?si=ni0lVue_Hcu7Ngr-

LMFAO

[frank urchin]

the new pf is made for acheron LOL

[green pulsar]

i mean ofc 😄

but u know whats funnier?

its also made for JL 😄

[queen crater]

Damn that acheron jump

100 mil

Genshin could never

[frank urchin]

i mean

https://youtu.be/WH_7YaNiSBQ?si=TMruTNEBrEbFRsDg&t=119

if i cant get her to e2 at the end of the event ima spend a bit too

[hidden seal]

fk just needed 600 more points with Mid team comps

just gunna replace bailu with harmony

[hidden seal]

ight ezpz

[ivory lynx]

I won the 50/50 again

I guess I have to swipe for e2 now

[green pulsar]

[turbid hatch]

https://favorgk.com/products/1-4-scale-ultimate-collection-series-acheron-honkai-star-rail-statue-resin-statue-fallen-angel-studio/

its like the same cost as pulling e6 :D

[hidden seal]

more worth getting the figure since it won't get powercrept and u keep it even if the game dies

[frank urchin]

the game wont be dying for a while

[ivory lynx]

Imagine thinking a hoyo game is gonna die

If HI3 is fucking yeeted and deleted yet I'm sure star rail will go for a good while

[frank urchin]

ye also i read up some theories about acheron

like welt, a mei from a previous loop moving over

[ivory lynx]

Yea from the conversation they had it seems like she knows alot like him and experienced meeting look alikes and such

Also boothill says she's someone who shouldn't even exist

[frank urchin]

waiting for these theorists to puzzle smth together

[ivory lynx]

Can't wait for the boothill vs acheron arc

[frank urchin]

i still dont know who tf boothill is

he only called through once on phone

but ppl apparently know everything about him alrdy

[ivory lynx]

He's the real galaxy ranger that was supposed to be at the festival

[frank urchin]

ohh

[ivory lynx]

Not acheron

[frank urchin]

ya ik acheron off screened that fire guy

and joined the festival

[ivory lynx]

Poor Duke

[frank urchin]

duke was like teased as some strong dude in that phoenix wright side story

[runic apex]

ohh that's cool

I thought he was an unrelated bounty hunter

[frank urchin]

i kinda wanna build welt now that i got his e6

got baited by shaun

and story

[hidden seal]

E6 you can prob build him CC build and enemies will never get a turn

if u have ruan mei

[frank urchin]

his e6 is a big dmg boost tho

[hidden seal]

yeah i mean CC build is replacing ur sustain with him as the sustain

else if u go DPS Welt u might still need a sustain

[runic apex]

how much speed and ERR does Welt need for perma cc

[hidden seal]

i think u need some break effect as well

since that makes imginary break longer or something

[elder vigil]

Play doh !!!

[ivory lynx]

E2

Shes home

Won another 50/50

Cost me 100 bucks not bad

E6 Gallagher as well

[frank urchin]

gz

[runic apex]

oh does it, I thought break effect did 0 for imaginary since it only affects dadmage dealt and imaginary doesnt do damage

but a quick google tells me you're right

does the break effect affect bosses?

apparently it's 30% * (1+BE)

(and by default there's 25% action delay)

[ivory lynx]

Idk what to run now

With e2 acheron

Anyone got team ideas? No I don't have sparkle or luocha so none of those

About everyone else I do have tho

[turbid hatch]

pela, fx, bronya

[ivory lynx]

Ight bet

Time to get pela and bronya up in gear

[turbid hatch]

it just sucks you have no crit dmg buffer

[ivory lynx]

[turbid hatch]

or use sw over bronya

[ivory lynx]

Oh I can do that to

That means I just gotta properly build pela

[turbid hatch]

fx only buffs cr iirc

[ivory lynx]

Yea I saw. But at least I can focus more so cdmg and attack subs

Hopefully

[turbid hatch]

like what kyu said a while back

you only need like 43%

if you ran fx

and have e1

[ivory lynx]

LMFAO my crit is exactly 43%

Thats funny

[turbid hatch]

heh

[frank urchin]

imagine having fx

[elder vigil]

Could have been adventurine and firefly

[ivory lynx]

No ty

[elder vigil]

You mean yes ty

And time for wild heart as well

[ivory lynx]

Even tho the story changed my opinion on adventurine like with a 180

I hated that mofo from the start

Now I like him and feel bad for him

Crazy how character development does that huh

But I also have fu

So I don't need him tbh

1 tank is good enough

[frank urchin]

hes gil at home

[ivory lynx]

He definitely is

[turbid hatch]

aventurine is trash lmao

[ivory lynx]

Especially after that cutscene

[frank urchin]

mans coming in hot

[ivory lynx]

The next story needs to drop already mannnnn

Let's skip 2nd half of 2.1 and go to the next part

[frank urchin]

idk i think 2.1 was pretty hype

2.2 prob gonna be mid and 2.3 is gonna be hype again

[elder vigil]

Yeah the tragic family stories always hit hard

[ivory lynx]

No yea it's been great so far for 2.1

I'm just impatient and want more story

[ivory lynx]

Story kinda reminded me of Noel from ff13-2 being the last of his ppl and shit

[elder vigil]

Reminds me of me

🐥

[ivory lynx]

Also lowkey I wanna pull for jade she's hot give me jade

[ivory lynx]

[elder vigil]

[elder vigil]

It's actually a boy

[ivory lynx]

[west notch]

IPC have all gemstones name 😄

is this the first time we see Jade?

[elder vigil]

They also have a Stone for their name

[turbid hatch]

heh

[novel mauve]

damn HSR double the second place in revenue for mobile

[turbid hatch]

(its the same company)

[ivory lynx]

Acheron sales?

[turbid hatch]

and sparkle

they're both in march

[ivory lynx]

Oh yea I forgot her

I forget every old banner real fast

What are the relics for pela

[turbid hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/d2-i-dont-know-cuh-travis-scott-confused-gif-16575027

[ivory lynx]

[ivory lynx]

Just saw the 2.2 boss fight oh they cooking

I want 2.2 faster now

[elder vigil]

Thats right

[novel mauve]

im about to get to adventurine boss fight soonish, maybe? idk been on story for 3h and still not done

pretty good but long af tho

[hidden seal]

yeah cause they don't let u skip the story

i wanted to skip everything lol besides the cut scenes

[west hull]

pf wasn't too bad

acheron on sigonia worked nicely

[craggy depot]

how's acheron compare to J Liu?

[turbid hatch]

broken

[queen crater]

For waves clear jingliu is better

No idea about dmg

[ivory lynx]

Jing who?

Acheron supremacy

[hidden seal]

lol wtf discord has lootboxes now

just got the clown animation for free

[turbid hatch]

[ivory lynx]

[gentle falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-cat-dance-cat-cat-meme-chinese-cat-gif-12629347036627000898

https://tenor.com/view/cat-deranged-mental-cat-insane-cat-crazy-cat-gif-10172547694494451971

[winter sluice]

wut da, how, i wanna be a clown

[elder vigil]

[ivory lynx]

I can help

[daring burrow]

@frank urchin u build welt yet?

forgot to mention cause u got e6 sw u need a lot less ehr on him

cause of s2 e2

[frank urchin]

not yet building units so hard

i spent like 300 stam to completely gear my acheron and another 2k stam to not even get a single piece of good gear for my other units

[hidden seal]

try clicking that, it just randomly pop up for me

[hidden seal]

Skipping Acheron since everyone has her, so when co-op comes out I'll have the advantage

[elder vigil]

Everyone has everyone tho

No unit special sadly

No wget acheron xd

[frank urchin]

if u wanna be special

e6s5 her

not everyone does that

[elder vigil]

It's still obtainable by all tho xd

[hidden seal]

ight if they drop a limited fate collab banner

i can E6S5 Gilgamesh

and the banner will never return

[frank urchin]

if they ever do a fate collab

ima open my wallet

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/415111491214376971/862686655466569738/mCKosfA.gif

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/861870309107171328/861870658307751956/baitfffff.gif

[stray pulsar]

Dbz collab let’s go

[runic portal]

Fate collab would make me leave dolphin status

[runic portal]

Fate collab plz

[frank urchin]

fgo collab could even work

in terms of story

[hidden seal]

fgo collab conditions - all collab units have to be stronger than Acheron

[stray pulsar]

Guess I’m a minority here lol

Never liked fgo

Rdy for all the flaming lol

[frank urchin]

matter of taste

the story is great tho if u play the ones written by the main author

guest author stories kinda mid some are ok-good

[elder vigil]

I hope we get a horizon zero dawn collaboration

[west notch]

lol

[runic portal]

I’d be fine with that

[karmic sparrow]

https://x.com/DimPacifistV2/status/1775108592175059175

Dim (@DimPacifistV2) on X

goddd pleaseee we need to gatekeep hsr from tiktok literal worms for brains what do you mean Clara and PRESERVATION MC in the same team is strategy... the comments praising it too god

Twitter · Apr 2, 2024, 10:30 AM

God please take all of aventurine's suffering and give it to hsr fans on tiktok

[gentle falcon]

Ruan Mei on gold and gears diff 5

ez run for sure

[gentle falcon]

game decided to fuck me over lmao

[winter sluice]

My discord actually crashed last night and the loot box setting appeared and I was able to loot 3. But then I crashed again and now it won’t show up at all

[winter sluice]

OH WAIT THAT WORKED ty, just had to do it on laptop

[west notch]

omg, this movie minigame is horrible

[queen crater]

ikr

[minor pilot]

Is it? I haven't done the sequel thing yet, but first 2 where fine.

[green pulsar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGgRE9l7_-4

2 things here

RIP FX she cannot tank this new boss

and rip meta, moving forward bosses will have multiple break bars

[winged kindle]

Challenge accepted

[green pulsar]

3rd phase will yoink her out of existance

gl 😄

[winged kindle]

tbh I got bored watching halfway through so didn't see P3

fine I'll just bring Lynx as well

don't need SW

already has weakness

[green pulsar]

he deals like 80% of ur hp

to everyone

[winged kindle]

Then I'll just use funny aha team with ratio/numby/aventurine

[queen crater]

nah hes just weak

wtf 1k hp

[winged kindle]

Yeah it's either lower TB level or just beta numbers

[green pulsar]

i saw a different video

with FX

she got yoinked

lemme find it

[winged kindle]

Just get E2 FX then

or Bailu

[green pulsar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jucxOHI5riQ

ok idk qualy too low to see proper hp

but robin has 2200 hp left at half hp

so i assume its not low

[winged kindle]

FX has 9.2k hp

[green pulsar]

so ya

[winged kindle]

so that's max level

I'll still try

get Lynx to give her more max HP xD

[green pulsar]

u can use gepard or aventurine

[queen crater]

my gepard is naked

i fed all his relic

[green pulsar]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6B59ZHIbFiI||

idk why but here he deals no dmg i mean the boss

somethings weird here lol

[queen crater]

must be some gimmick

[green pulsar]

ahhh its due to Breaking his bar

[queen crater]

need to see his skill

[green pulsar]

that reduces dmg taken

[light elbow]

@green pulsar does he do that 80% hp move more than once?

[green pulsar]

every 7 stacks

and u can negate it by breaking all of his bars

[karmic sparrow]

put a spoiler tag on this boss 😭

[green pulsar]

done

soz

[stray pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/how-i-met-your-mother-himym-barney-stinson-neil-patrick-harris-challenge-accepted-gif-4594551

[elder vigil]

F2p e2 bby

[ivory lynx]

Get gud e6 when

[elder vigil]

E6 for nubs who can't handle a little heat

[ivory lynx]

I'm Mexican I'm all heat

[elder vigil]

No u are wildheart material boii

[stray pulsar]

Grats

[elder vigil]

This good enough for Stats right

[stray pulsar]

Yea, can probably tweak CR down a bit but overall doesn’t look to shabby. Think ~40% is ideal. I’m running 33.3% and rarely miss crits.

[elder vigil]

Oh thats good then

Like this then?

[stray pulsar]

Yea that looks better

[cedar solar]

How are yalls have so much atk

[ivory lynx]

Just hit good attack subs with cdmg

Or get rid of speed boots run attack boots and have a good amount of speed subs

[stray pulsar]

Get something like that lol

[stray pulsar]

This is what I got so far

[elder vigil]

I want an atk boots

I only have spd lol

[ivory lynx]

Yea u Def used attack booties

[stray pulsar]

Yea lol

[elder vigil]

My luck lol

[stray pulsar]

That’s a real nice piece

[elder vigil]

Wish more crit dmg xd

[stray pulsar]

Meh you got 15.5% atk

Still good

[green pulsar]

man i spent 300 euros just to get 1 extra copy of Acheron

(she was E3 prior)

foking YQ

and now i lost 50/50 to bronya

rip dream of E6

[stray pulsar]

At least it was Bronya. I lost 2 50/50 and got both bailu lol

[green pulsar]

E2 bronya

[stray pulsar]

Now welt, yq, and bailu are e6 just from lost pity and Bronya is still e2

[green pulsar]

also im not too sure if i wanna unlock E4 if i ever get it lol

that FUA action advance can ruin my speed tune

[stray pulsar]

lol

[green pulsar]

unless it gets offset by that 30% speed boost

[stray pulsar]

I’m not sure with that

[green pulsar]

i mean good thing is JL has 10% advance herself

[stray pulsar]

I just want her to be e6 lol

[green pulsar]

so it might be alright

otherwise my JL needs more speed

[stray pulsar]

You run both on same team?

[green pulsar]

ya E6 makes her sparkle 2.0

[green pulsar]

no

[stray pulsar]

Okay lol I was wondering why JL was names dropped

[green pulsar]

ignore HH

but thats about the team i use

[stray pulsar]

2nd team got it

[green pulsar]

mainly cuz i use her with JL

sparkle is too fast

and it makes no sense to use her with her

[stray pulsar]

Well sparkle and JL don’t mix well.

[green pulsar]

unless i drop speed boots

[green pulsar]

why?

[stray pulsar]

Can use it but ideal for seele or Acheron

[stray pulsar]

JL doesn’t really need skill points

[green pulsar]

i mean yea but she buffs stronger than bronya

[stray pulsar]

And most of her team isn’t SP heavy

For sure not disagreeing with that part

Bronya and ting still good if you wanna run the hyper carry for JL

[green pulsar]

everyone else uses sparkle xD

[stray pulsar]

Yea lol

[green pulsar]

we need a 5* pela

[stray pulsar]

We do

Black swan

[green pulsar]

or at least i need a second aoe def down

[stray pulsar]

[green pulsar]

too weak

20% is not enough

[stray pulsar]

It gets the job done lol

[green pulsar]

also funilly enough Bronya + sparkle with JL works well together

she goes hyper bam with E6

i was thinking of swapping her to ERR Rope lol

so she stays in ult form for a bit longer

[stray pulsar]

Nice

[cedar solar]

mine...

[stray pulsar]

Dafuq is this lol

[green pulsar]

wannabe barkeeper

[frank urchin]

tf are these monster stats

show gear

[stray pulsar]

This is monster stats?

Can’t wait to get her lc to 5

Cdmg should be close to 250% or higher lol

Also give me a sec I’ll sign in

She is doing like 1.6M dmg outside of SU

[green pulsar]

monster stats he says

[stray pulsar]

My chest is a joke

Has horrible sub stats

@frank urchin here you go

[stray pulsar]

Can do so much better lol

[green pulsar]

yea

mine is also not too good

good crit yeah but low crit dmg

[craggy pawn]

Wish pictures would load at work

[green pulsar]

xD

[stray pulsar]

I have to sign into my shitty WiFi just to play

At work

[craggy pawn]

Yall get wifi?

Boeing doesnt even give that

[stray pulsar]

We have WiFi cuz we have to have it

It’s bare minimum

Like 2 up 2 down

[frank urchin]

wait those stats are padded with the lc

at least the cdmg

[green pulsar]

the stats u see are with everything

[stray pulsar]

I have lc1

Shit ain’t padded lol

[green pulsar]

padded?

[frank urchin]

i have like 3 sss tier pieces and my stats dont come close

[stray pulsar]

Think your issue is relying on that site

[green pulsar]

yeah

dont look at those tiers lol

[stray pulsar]

I have never used that site

[green pulsar]

just focus on % stats

[spark ether]

Facts

[frank urchin]

yall must hate math lol

it gives me good insight how well my stats rolled

[stray pulsar]

Put my gear in that site

Let me know what it says

[green pulsar]

no but they calculate shit and say an item is OP

[frank urchin]

are u using atk planar

[green pulsar]

nice but the stats arent what u want

[stray pulsar]

Bet my chest says it’s c tier

[frank urchin]

or lightning dmg one

[green pulsar]

yes

thats what u want on her

[stray pulsar]

Double atk

[frank urchin]

ahh theres the issue ic

[spark ether]

Trash

[green pulsar]

she scales soooo hard with atk

[spark ether]

[stray pulsar]

It’s in the SS

[west hull]

Do cdmg chests even drop? This game stinks. Acheron at 70/270 before crit buffs I think I can swap crit chest to cdmg now but haven’t seen one in days

[spark ether]

Is this the sfd sipe we recruited @stray pulsar

[green pulsar]

xD

[spark ether]

[green pulsar]

id say u should go for crit dmg

crit rate is for F2P

[stray pulsar]

[green pulsar]

[west hull]

[spark ether]

[stray pulsar]

Crafting is your friend

[west hull]

Hp and def chests love me

[stray pulsar]

…

[west hull]

[stray pulsar]

Can 100%

Cdmg

On chest

If you use the item@

[west hull]

I used all my resin

[stray pulsar]

[west hull]

[stray pulsar]

On what

lol

[west hull]

35cv boots

[stray pulsar]

Im still chilling on like 5/6

Why my chest is so ass

It’s my only cdmg

But said fuck it

[stray pulsar]

Why do you ask?

[west hull]

The chest piece needs to go

[cedar solar]

Were supposed to use ATK% sphere?

[stray pulsar]

Bro

[stray pulsar]

wtf set are you using lol

[west hull]

Lmao PF set

[stray pulsar]

Is the way to go

[west hull]

[stray pulsar]

Izumo so good

12% atk lol

[west hull]

Izumo is nice yeah. I’m swapping between sig for PF and salsotto

Don’t have a good izumo set yet

[stray pulsar]

I just crafted 2 atk ones and called it a day

[west hull]

[stray pulsar]

Used 4 resin on her

Why my gear is ass lol

The secondary stats are so weak

[west hull]

Lol it’s ok she still does well even on mid gear

[stray pulsar]

Yea

Can’t wait to see her at

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-maximum-power-power-spongebob-squarepants-full-power-gif-22777727

[west hull]

[stray pulsar]

4-12 she will be maxed

[west hull]

[stray pulsar]

Yea baited into some shitty idle game lol

Not afk journey

[west hull]

I can barely keep up with honkai idk how y’all play multiple games

[frank urchin]

k atk is barely better than lightning dmg on acheron

comes down to substats

if u go down to the nitty gritty lightning dmg is actually better than atk

cause u lose out on the atk sub stat

[green pulsar]

barely?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL8Hv49KVZs

[frank urchin]

its 0.5-4.5% and he compared 0 substats planars

lightning dmg can come with an atk stat of 4.4%

[green pulsar]

her main dmg comes from ult

[frank urchin]

that 4.4% would make the diff

[green pulsar]

no

4,4% atk sub is not equal to 4% dmg increase

[frank urchin]

thats just the base

[green pulsar]

also that dmg showcase was without a proper team

the more dmg u stack on her the more valuable atk gets on her

sure u can run dmg% but its not optimal

if u go that way

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qvf5m863Weo

explain this

also 5%

just go atk % chest

[frank urchin]

need to see the stats hes working with

[green pulsar]

they show it in the video i believe

[frank urchin]

the vid u showed

said cdmg is better

?

[green pulsar]

yes

im saying

[frank urchin]

i thought it was an argument for atk

[green pulsar]

u said its just 4.5% diff

so

[frank urchin]

no u misunderstand

[green pulsar]

the crit dmg chest is also only 5.4% better

[frank urchin]

im saying the lightning dmg planar has an atk sub stat

that u can sub into

[green pulsar]

yes

[frank urchin]

u could reason with atk planar with full cdmg

to compensate

[green pulsar]

but first of all hit such a piece

and then on a different note

get high rolls too

on crit dmg

in any case atk% orb is flat out better

even if u get an atk sub on dmg% orb

[frank urchin]

no its barely better

even the vid said so

u use to disprove me LOL

[green pulsar]

4.5%% is not barely

[frank urchin]

he said it comes down to substats

[green pulsar]

sure it does

[frank urchin]

how are u cherry picking his statements LOL

[green pulsar]

which is why i said good luck rolling atk/crit/crit.d

and then roll high rolls into crit dmg

[frank urchin]

i mean thats besides the point

[green pulsar]

its easier to roll atk% with just 2 subs

what im trying to say is, if ur lucky and ur dmg% orb has good subs, sure ignore atk%

[frank urchin]

a perfect atk planar vs a perfect lightning planar the difference is less than <4%

[green pulsar]

but if ur trying to aim for highest possible dmg atk% is better

[frank urchin]

and the chance to hit a good lightning planar is higher than atk

cause u have 3 useful stats crit/cdmg/atk

[green pulsar]

since ult is what counts and it heavily scales with atk%

especially stronger when u have supports that buff dmg% by a lot

[frank urchin]

arent supports so far buffing atk+cdmg

[green pulsar]

nah theres more dmg% than anything else

[frank urchin]

i mean we honestly only look at what

sparkle

?

[stray pulsar]

This I why I just swipe and auto

[green pulsar]

bronya 66%
sparkle 40%? i think
RM 36% (or higher, i dont remember)

[ivory lynx]

Ruan mei does damage buff to

[green pulsar]

etc.

[ivory lynx]

[green pulsar]

and acheron herself buffs dmg% quite heavily too

[stray pulsar]

Why my games have to have auto/skip features

[frank urchin]

thats the reason why atk is a possible contender

cause of diminishing returns

but even then its barely anything

[green pulsar]

exactly why im saying atk% orb makes her scales much harder

[frank urchin]

the tests were suboptimal

[green pulsar]

especially with proper buffers

[frank urchin]

if u run bronya it tips towards atk/cdmg

[green pulsar]

unless u throw too much atk% instead of crit dmg/dmg%

[frank urchin]

if u run sparkle it tips towards atk/%dmg

[stray pulsar]

What if you run both?

[green pulsar]

XD

[frank urchin]

then it tips towards atk

cause ur cdmg/%dmg too high

need atk otherwise diminishing returns

[green pulsar]

sparkle + bronya is not great anyways

u lose crit dmg

[frank urchin]

but only in perfect stat scenarios

also running her lc tips it towards atk too

[green pulsar]

u want bronya to move after sparkle boost the dps forward, then it overwrites the crit dmg buff

[frank urchin]

im not saying atk is bad im just saying its barely any better tbh

and that it finally comes down to substats

more than main stat for planar

[green pulsar]

when i see an ult from an not so good buffed acheron deal 370k instead of 350k

with just atk% orb instead of dmg% orb

[stray pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/calculation-math-hangover-allen-zach-galifianakis-gif-6219070

Y’all talking about sub optimal stats

[green pulsar]

and when i think about her getting even higher dmg boost buffs

that 20k diff

can be 100-150k easily

if not more

[frank urchin]

?

[ivory lynx]

Nah yea that's how it usually is when min maxing. I'm just watching

[frank urchin]

idr math working like that but ok

[cedar solar]

me put relic. me press auto. me happy.

[frank urchin]

%dmg is a final multiplier

[green pulsar]

no

we had this already

xd

[frank urchin]

yes and im pretty sure it was shown that it is

[green pulsar]

its fairly early on

[frank urchin]

u do know that a multiplier can be put anywhere in the chain like that

and still doesnt change the outcome right?

look for base dmg formula

its some mix of atk and crit and crit dmg

[green pulsar]

sure then lets put def multiplier before dmg multiplier xd

[frank urchin]

wait do u think a x b x c = x is not the same as b x a x c = x?

[green pulsar]

not when its calculated in brakets

if u place for example base dmg behind a dmg reduction multiplier ur base dmg gets reduced prior to further dmg amplification

cant tell me it doesnt affect the final dmg

[stray pulsar]

100%

[frank urchin]

i dont see brackets in the formula

[green pulsar]

so u have a 100 base dmg which u boost, then divide by dmg midgation etc. ur saying it wont make a difference if u place that before the 100 base dmg?

[frank urchin]

wheres division in that formula?

[green pulsar]

https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Damage

theres too much

look it up

thats the base

theres tons of further calculations in between

but yea

totally makes no diff if u change up the formula

[frank urchin]

my man aint mathing, i cant explain it i aint no teacher

all i can say is 2 x 3 x 4 = 3 x 2 x 4

how u get to the 2 / 3 / 4 is what the formula shows

and ofc u aint changing that

but its fine thats why we have youtube videos trying to explain it in simplified fashion

[green pulsar]

i know that multiplication doesnt change the outcome if u change whatever is in the multiplication itself

[frank urchin]

u are right that atk is better just wrong on the part that its a HUGE difference

i mean if u increase the numbers of course the 5% looks bigger

[green pulsar]

what i was trying to say is theres sort of deminishing returns after xx amount of stats gained, if u stack 300% dmg increase another 30% is not much unless u can place that 30% into lets say atk or crit dmg

which in return adds more dmg overall

[frank urchin]

yes i agree with that

[green pulsar]

and thats why i was saying that 5% can yield to much more if u pair her with the right supports/debuffer

[frank urchin]

no but the opposite is true too

if u use atk buffers u can scale the %dmg better

[green pulsar]

if u stack too much atk ofc

[frank urchin]

to even the scales

its all about evening the scales

[green pulsar]

but so far we barely have enough atk% buffer

[frank urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

usually u never have enough %dmg to even the scales its just acheron innately has so much that atk seems plausible besides for dot chars

[green pulsar]

nah theres a few

BS

Xuyei

who else lemme see

[frank urchin]

ok i dont know 4*

who is BS tho

black swan?

[green pulsar]

Ratio could also be said to have much self dmg%

[green pulsar]

yes

[frank urchin]

isnt she a dot unit?

[green pulsar]

she is

[frank urchin]

ya like i said for dot atk makes sense

[green pulsar]

the thing is

she scales off EHR

which in return buffs her dmg%

[frank urchin]

sounds like smth for math bros

i dont have her or kafka

not looking into it rn

[frank urchin]

once i have them ill think about it

hmm

[green pulsar]

she needs 120?% ehr to reach 72% dmg bonus

i mean even on kafka

u want dmg% orb

not atk%

[frank urchin]

but ya u have to cuck urself so much to get %dmg

meanwhile acheron

[green pulsar]

since u also have skills and ults

[frank urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/its-free-real-sate-gif-7215175

[green pulsar]

look at JL

she gets everything

50% crit
2000 base atk
lots of crit dmg

XD

bonus dmg%

all shes missing is a good buffer to match acheron

[frank urchin]

i mean she got powercrept

[green pulsar]

well

it depends on how u see it

[frank urchin]

not as badly as my boy JY

but somewhat

[green pulsar]

take JY

each new harmony unit

heavily buffed him

[frank urchin]

but also all the other dps

[green pulsar]

yeah but he had weaknesses which those units covered

the only other weakness is slow LL

if there is a new support that makes summons move faster

guess wat

[frank urchin]

or u know

buff him

[green pulsar]

they wont

[frank urchin]

they will if they keep powercreeping

[green pulsar]

what im trying to say is a new support can make an old char be realy strong while not buffing a new char that extremely well

depending on kit

[frank urchin]

cause otherwise his rerun banners no1 gonna pull

[green pulsar]

i think in genshin they only ever buffed 2 units or so

they dont care

[frank urchin]

probably

but if sales look shit

they care

like jing yuan banner not making money? quick buffs

hes a cool character

but ppl prob scared to waste resources on a mid unit

[green pulsar]

i wouldnt say ass

if u calculate dmg per cycle

acheron has high dmg per screenshot

but if u cannot make her charge ult fast enough other units which energy u can replenish (TY+HH) can make quite the dmg in a short amount of time

just need a few turns in a cycle

[frank urchin]

his ult aint hitting hard enough for that,

LL cycle gotta be better

with TY he overcapping stacks most of the time

[green pulsar]

his ult can hit for 200-300k if it hits fully buffed 5 enemies

[green pulsar]

how?

mine doesnt

and my TY has 173 speed

[frank urchin]

i use him with bronya

[green pulsar]

i use him with sparkle

[frank urchin]

idk mine overcaps t1 t2 and maybe by t3 i sometimes have 8 stacks

but thats with trash support if my ty had better stats

i could upkeep her ult better

and by default his ult

[green pulsar]

whats ur speed on JY and bronya?

[frank urchin]

id have to check but they quite slow

i have no gear

on bronya either

[green pulsar]

hes very delicate with speed

too much = overcap

not enough = no 10 stacks

[frank urchin]

maybe but i dont even run speed on him hes all dmg

[green pulsar]

by overcap i mean being at 10 and then casting another skill/ult

sometimes it happens yea but even then it doesnt matter

[frank urchin]

yea i mean that too

[green pulsar]

when ult hits for 200k++ and can be spammed like twice in a cycle

• skill

[frank urchin]

i mean acheron is not only ult her skill also does decent dmg just that it hits 3

[green pulsar]

like sure acheron deals very high dmg with ult and ppl might say shes uber broken

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnGL_9ipOkU

what does this mean then xD

300-400k skill

500-800k ult

ppl need to calculate cycle dmg not turn, unless u can nuke an enemy in a single turn or two

like funnily enough ppl say Acheron hyper powercrept JL but JL can go like 3-4 times easily and each time she moves she deals 150-200k per ult or 200-300k per skill (E6)

[craggy pawn]

@green pulsar how is my acheron only slightly worse than yours

[green pulsar]

wdym

u make it sound as if mine should be weaker

[craggy pawn]

I’m like 50.2/170 crit

[green pulsar]

ur short 40% crit dmg

lol

[craggy pawn]

its more im shocked my dog pieces arent that much worse

[green pulsar]

44*

[craggy pawn]

I run crit rate body

[green pulsar]

ooooof

is ur acheron E0?

[craggy pawn]

i could go cd but my pieces almost never come with crit rate

yeah

[green pulsar]

ah ok

then ur crit rate is needed

[craggy pawn]

Id e1/2 if i wasnt going for aventurine

[green pulsar]

if E0 u actually need crit rate body

ur missing the 18% from E1

[craggy pawn]

I could have rolled for e1

But i went e0s1 and got e0 luocha

[green pulsar]

mine is actually overcapping 100% crit rate lol

by 4%

[craggy pawn]

thats not terrible though

[green pulsar]

i mean yea

[craggy pawn]

Could be like 10-20%

[green pulsar]

all thx to this thing...

[craggy pawn]

4% is a fixable number

[green pulsar]

i have so many pieces with no crit dmg

it sux

[craggy pawn]

I can roll crit dmg

I cant get crit rate to save my life

[frank urchin]

the dude

[stray pulsar]

Can you plug in my characters gear lol

[frank urchin]

briefly went through a e6 welt

[stray pulsar]

I’m very curious now

[frank urchin]

very relatable build

everything e6

[green pulsar]

he has acheron e6 too

well mainly cuz

some whales donated him loads of money

on the last stream a few days ago

so that he could E6 acheron

i mean yes acheron does powercreep and she deals out of the box high amounts of dmg

but dmg overcap is also a thing

also E6 4* isnt special 😄

[craggy pawn]

What site is this

[green pulsar]

https://www.mobilemeta.gg/honkai-starrail/

[stray pulsar]

Ah do I need to like sign in and link to my account or can I just put stats in and call it a day!

Ain’t trying to work that hard

[ivory lynx]

I think u just put ur user ID and it looks at ur account like that

[green pulsar]

u can put ur ID

but if u use ur account u can save it

so u dont have to put it in every single time

[stray pulsar]

Umm

[frank urchin]

show ur gear

[stray pulsar]

Yea I don’t get it

Might be cuz I’m on mobile

Nothing for me to click on to add iD or anything

Click manual entry and nothing lol

[frank urchin]

are u on phone?

[stray pulsar]

Yea

[stray pulsar]

Since I’m at work

[runic portal]

https://www.levelpush.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Honkai-Star-Rail-Boothill.jpg

[frank urchin]

wait those stats are wrong

[stray pulsar]

I can do manual entry

But not doing that now

[ivory lynx]

[ivory lynx]

Welt lc?

[elder vigil]

Oh this how u do that

Ig mines not that bad

[frank urchin]

press relic scorer

scroll down and u see a field to enter UID

[green pulsar]

why are u using welt lc XD

[frank urchin]

cause i dont have her lc

i need to e2 her first

[green pulsar]

smh

still

welt lc sux

wheres ur gnsw

[frank urchin]

that welt lc is s5 its prob slightly better overall than s5 good knight

[green pulsar]

oh

[frank urchin]

it doesnt have the peak dmg of gnsw

[green pulsar]

i forgot

[frank urchin]

but its avg dmg is better

[green pulsar]

that this is megas acc

[frank urchin]

he almost has 2 s5 welt lcs

[green pulsar]

i mean it still is only 40% even at S5

the atk bonus is also only for skill

so GNSW should be better

[green pulsar]

since its 72% dmg buff

[stray pulsar]

Can’t get the link like you guys have maybe cuz mobile

[frank urchin]

its better at 3 stacks

[stray pulsar]

But there u go

[frank urchin]

but same ish at 2 stacks

[green pulsar]

i mean

[frank urchin]

also i dont have resources to max lvl that one

[green pulsar]

3 debuffs is ez

[frank urchin]

u forget im behind on a year of grind

[green pulsar]

300% soon

[frank urchin]

getting that acheron gear

in 1 day

was actually ridiculous

back to back drops

[green pulsar]

well rng it is

[stray pulsar]

Yea my stats are shit lol according to this site

[frank urchin]

ya id like my rng to not pity acheron

show ss

[green pulsar]

he did

[green pulsar]

^

[frank urchin]

oh

[ivory lynx]

Smh get to that lc and e2

[green pulsar]

this hurts

[frank urchin]

i did say ill swipe if i dont get e2 in time

[green pulsar]

so much red

[frank urchin]

idk about lc tho

[stray pulsar]

Yea I thought so

My JL

Is beast mode

Sss on one item lol

[ivory lynx]

Didn't they say missing her lc is a int for her cause that's like the best one for her unfortunately?

[frank urchin]

yes

[ivory lynx]

[frank urchin]

cause that one gives ridiculous dmg

[stray pulsar]

Yes none are really viable for her

[frank urchin]

nihility has no real good lcs

[green pulsar]

need one?

[frank urchin]

and that one is the best for all future nihility units probably

[green pulsar]

KEKW

[ivory lynx]

Oh yea I kno. Im a nihility main kek

[frank urchin]

[green pulsar]

still not sure if i wanna S2

[frank urchin]

i wouldnt

tbh

[green pulsar]

i mean

[ivory lynx]

Nah dont

[green pulsar]

who else would like it

[frank urchin]

u get like a what 10% increase in stats?

[ivory lynx]

Just get 100 like that one guy and you'll be good for the future

[frank urchin]

better off using it on another nihility dps

[green pulsar]

14%

[frank urchin]

its either s5 or not at all imo

[green pulsar]

shes my sole nihility dps unit

xd

[frank urchin]

future units

who knows

[green pulsar]

i mean wait i do have welt but still

[green pulsar]

i pull for dps LC

so theres that

[frank urchin]

unless u wanna s5 that thing

[green pulsar]

any future dps will have its own BiS LC

[frank urchin]

better keep

[green pulsar]

if only i had the funds lol

cant even E6

[frank urchin]

ya its expensive for us europeans

[green pulsar]

out of funds

[ivory lynx]

If had more funds I'd be e6 rn

[green pulsar]

sitting on guaranteed

but no gems/$$

[frank urchin]

i think the way to go is

save till rerun

[ivory lynx]

True

[green pulsar]

tbh

[ivory lynx]

Just splurge on rerun e6

[green pulsar]

i wanted to S5 JL LC

[frank urchin]

i like her as a character

[green pulsar]

but that plan went to the drain

[frank urchin]

so i wanna max her at some point

so far the only units i rlly liked were JY and Acheron

well and kafka

[stray pulsar]

@frank urchin I’m never using this site. lol making feel like my gear is ass.