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#video-games
fathom juniper
fathom juniper
but yeah - in short
if you haven't played that many FPS games, and titles from the golden era scare you away with it's chonky pixels - doom 2016 is heaps of fun 
buuuuutttt...
you know...
dusk came out not soon after that and i think it's better in every way
fathom juniper
too bad my aim is papega
well hey - dusk has optional autoaim
which you can fine-tune to your hearts content
polar dragon
how about BPM Bullets Per Minute
fathom juniper
looks neat, haven't played it yet
i heard some mixed opinions about it, and i'm not a big fan of it's flavor of...
power metal
fathom juniper
but then again - i like me some music games here and there so once i get myself some better hadware to get a solid 60 - i might give it a shot
fathom juniper
It was not for me
huh 
tell me more
twilit wren
Oh oops LMAO played bioshock, scared me so much, forgot how terrifying that game is
fathom juniper
Felt monotonous
yeah i suppose - i've heard that from a lot of people
hidden zephyr
Hello, where are you guys from?
twilit wren
Great game, love it to death but oh my god it has made me quit because of just how disturbing it is at times LMAO
wraith cradle
Later this night I'll show you all the games I gotta finish
Right now Vermintide 2 is my priority
twilit wren
My backlog is huge unfortunately I buy like 5 games because my brain likes shopping sprees and then I'm busy playing like 1 rpg lmao
wraith cradle
Oh yeeees
fathom juniper
man...
FINISH DUSK 2 ALREADY, YOU COWARDS!
i mean...
it's made by one guy (mostly, anyway) and he's got other stuff going on right now
but boi...
wraith cradle
Fixed
fathom juniper
so...
singleplayer games
wraith cradle
Yes
wraith cradle
Gunpoint and ocean's heart specifically
polar dragon
fathom juniper
credits:
1 name
scrolling up really, really slow
and then it's just a long list of software and licences and all that jazz
wraith cradle
A game created by:
Guy 1
Additional programming
Guy 2
Fonts
Guy 3
Gal 1
Guy 4
Guy 5
THANKS FOR PLAYING
Four people for the fonts and 2 for the rest
fathom juniper
i mean...
that is literally how my credits look
been there, done that
rented out a real estate
wraith cradle
I LOVED ocean's heart
It was like feeling like a kid again
Imagine the original Zelda but with plot
polar dragon
30 finished games
17 games left
5 abandoned games
I'm almost there
for a clean steam backlog.
i have a huge backlog for DRM free, GOG, and Epic but those I got for free so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
fathom juniper
hey - yall like nintendo here, right?
well... good news!
the switch port of dusk is going to feature a...
a goodamn mario 64 level 
https://youtu.be/GJ2ZtyH0cDQ
because why not 
junior crown
beat new 4 levels of Ultrakill. Now time to P 3 of them which I didn't 
twin yarrow
i mean...
that is ***literally*** how my credits look <a:pepeLUL2:52843955354415...
You can also list the creators of your software, your libraries, your pc, your web providers, your IT teachers, your creators aka parents, etc etc
fathom juniper
i mean
after seeing flops like Hunt Down The Freeman and Fallout: the frontier i decided to be really careful about naming every single thing i used, making sure it's either public domain or under a CC licence and tracking down their creators
juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust to be sure
junior crown
junior crown
Be ready to withstand the sand.
fathom juniper
oh hey - good thing you're here @junior crown
gotta ask you
did you play dusk, by any chance?
junior crown
yes
polar dragon
kraja on dusk fever
junior crown
did play it fully, didn't go for good score, but did play it
fathom juniper
kraja on dusk fever
well... yeah
i love this game
wait
wait wait
oh those tlou2 memes will never get old
fathom juniper
https://youtu.be/E4VkcWa-_x8
10/10 
oh hey - this reminds me
remember when we talked about fuller auto a while back?
fathom juniper
NO
the S in FPS means "shooter"
it's a first person platformer
or puzzle game
whatever
with a first person perspective - FPP
bleak coral
You do shoot in Portal though
coral hawk
you shoot
fathom juniper
i'm gonna shoot myself in am inute
bleak coral
you cant deny the fact that they shoot in portal
fathom juniper
buckle up, kids, you're about to see a grown ass man lose his goddamn marbles
bleak coral
its an fps puzzle mix
coral hawk
It is by definition an fps
fathom juniper
THEY LITERALLY MAKE A JOKE ABOUT THIS EXACT SUBJECT IN PORTAL 2
bleak coral
whats the big deal
fathom juniper
It is by definition an fps
no it's not
coral hawk
it is
polar dragon
coral hawk
this man angy that you are in a first person perspective and you shoot
it is literally called a portal GUN
bleak coral
it still shoots though
fathom juniper
doesn't make it one
coral hawk
if a game had a gluegun and was in first person perspective I'd call it an fps too
fathom juniper
no - it's not that
now you're just making stuff up
if you're using a genre name, use it correctly
fathom juniper
yeah i wanna First Person Shootmyself
coral hawk
Real life is an fps clone
wraith cradle
Pokemon Snap without pokemon
polar dragon
now that's a sad one
fathom juniper
put your switch down, stop that zelda for a second
and read the first goddamn sentence
or at least try to
and show me where does it say it's a FIRST PERSON SHOOTER
cause either A - i'm blind
or B - IT DOESN'T
sonic berry
Life is Satisfactory without satisfaction 😔
Also that's another game I wouldn't call an FPS. It's like 1% of the game
fathom juniper
you're neither funny nor clever here
and you gotta work on those MS paint skills to fool me
junior crown
😤 inspect tool usage
fathom juniper
especially when the link is right there
polar dragon
fathom juniper
yeah there's ONE word
halfway through the page
doesn't describe it's genre
which is in literally the first sentence of this article
polar dragon
okay but is Sea of Thieves an FPS?
bleak coral
yes
twilit wren
Is this really a hill to die on
polar dragon
Is this really a hill to die on
Always.
twilit wren
I come back from lunch to find this very intellectual stimulating conversation
polar dragon
join us more often for is XCOM a roguelite
junior crown
yeah it is, it got a bunch of guns so, it does fit the FPS
polar dragon
or is pizza a salad
twilit wren
XCOM is a rougelite,,,
polar dragon
Okay you can be on my side.
twilit wren
Well actually I'm kind of split on that idea LMAO
bleak coral
XCOM is a rougelite,,,
oh no
fathom juniper
are all nintendo fans this disillusioned, annoying little a-holes living in a make-belief world where no one stands corrected just because i said so?
most of you would know an fps if it shagged your mom
no, portal ins't an fps
no, xcom isn't a roguelite
twilit wren
Bruh
fathom juniper
i'm really fed up with going through the same convo every goddamn week
twilit wren
Man's just mad somebody disagrees with his very rigid beliefs on game categorization
dire condor
Hades had an update on Switch?
polar dragon
i'm really fed up with going through the same convo every goddamn week
Lol i love you too
fathom juniper
Man's just mad somebody disagrees with his very rigid beliefs on game categoriza...
it's not "my" rigid belief
it's literally what this game is
just scroll up and click that wikipedia link, it's not that hard
twilit wren
Okay sure but like why does it matter
bleak coral
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802615525141643265/857336163688513586/unk...
thats crazy
twilit wren
Your enjoyment of the content is not changed if I call it a FPS or if I don't
bleak coral
facts
twilit wren
It's almost like categories aren't fine lines and rather exist as a template to allow gamers to decide what templates they enjoy and don't enjoy
fathom juniper
Your enjoyment of the content is not changed if I call it a FPS or if I don't
oh yeah sure - let's call everything the wrong names
what's the worst that could happen, right?
twilit wren
Uh yeah what's the worst that could happen LMFAO
bleak coral
Mario is a roguelite
twilit wren
Legend of Zelda is a casual game
polar dragon
That's a take
bleak coral
thats the joke
fathom juniper
awesome
wraith cradle
If you think closely everything is a simulator 
twilit wren
Actually woke
wraith cradle
Pokemon is a simulator of capturing monsters and use them to fight
coral hawk
Dude I don't think portal is an fps is such an angry take
like dude is really tilted that its first person and you shoot
twilit wren
There's woke and then theres albino
wraith cradle
XCOM is a simulator of defence against alien invasion
polar dragon
If you think closely everything is a simulator <:ron:459075377906712586>
what the hell is Tetris simulating then
fathom juniper
It's almost like categories aren't fine lines and rather exist as a template to ...
this isn't some sort of weird experimental game that intentionally tries to break any or all conventions so hard that no one knows what to call it
it's a simple game - telling it's genre shouldn't be that hard
twilit wren
Death.
fathom juniper
Dude I don't think portal is an fps is such an angry take
it isn't an "angry take"
it's the simplest thing in the world
bleak coral
If you think closely everything is a simulator <:ron:459075377906712586>
4D Chess
fathom juniper
click that wikipedia link
what does it say?
"Portal is a series of first-person puzzle-platform video games"
click the steam store page - what does it say?
puzzle platformer
coral hawk
its a fps puzzle platformer
fathom juniper
i'm done
twilit wren
Lmao tanuki I love you
fathom juniper
i'm leaving this conversation and i don't care if i'll still here be tomorrow
bleak coral
Portal is a cool game though
twilit wren
Changing the subject, got persona 5 strikers on my switch 😍😍
coral hawk
Any game can be any genre cause its what you perceive the game as
polar dragon
never played it
bleak coral
I like how because its in the source engine it has a lot of fps movement
fathom juniper
if mods ban me then so be it - i'm not gonna stay here and listen to your make-belief dribble where everything is just the way you say like it's twitter
bleak coral
bhopping and the likes
coral hawk
oh no
polar dragon
if mods ban me then so be it - i'm not gonna stay here and listen to your make-b...
why would they ban you lmao
coral hawk
he brought up twitter lmao
bleak coral
Changing the subject, got persona 5 strikers on my switch 😍😍
based
good game
8 or 7.5/10
coral hawk
Dude probably complains about "cancel culture" and "woke culture" ruining video games lmao
twilit wren
Was I mad I couldn't get persona5 on an emulator since I didn't wanna spend like 360$ to play a single game? Yes
Did I pay altas to step on me more because I love when companies screw me over? Also yes
fathom juniper
Dude probably complains about "cancel culture" and "woke culture" ruining video ...
i never was, but you attitude makes me understand people that do
so good job on that front - you can give yourself a pat on the back
wraith cradle
God 27 hours left
coral hawk
I mean you're the one who brought up twitter?
twilit wren
Like just take a break for a day
coral hawk
I just thought portal is an fps was a funny take
fathom juniper
I mean you're the one who brought up twitter?
you're the one that started making things up even though i've proven - twice - that you're completely wrong
twilit wren
good game
Like you were saying though, I do like the dynamic of them all, I honestly just wish it had the social links. I like hate the RPG mechanics so to have it as a hack n slash feels way better to my goopy goblin gamer brain
coral hawk
Also changing the subject I hope Dandy Ace goes on sale with the summer sale
cause I really want it
but don't wanna pay 20 for it lol
twilit wren
Makes sense
Steam summer sale is honestly just "okay what can I justify buying with my paycheck "
coral hawk
TRUUUU
twilit wren
I just spent 10 on kerbal space program and given I just got a huge paycheck from running around for 2 weeks I am Ready to Spend
coral hawk
I played kerbal a handful of years ago and didn't really get into it
polar dragon
just waiting for $2 L4D2 so my friends can buy it
twilit wren
HAHA yeah my friends told me to get bent when I wanted them to buy l4d2
dire condor
This whole conversation shouldn't have been taken so seriously lol it's just games man
talking about what happened earlier btw
twilit wren
I don't think games need to be categorized but that's just my hot take and I know others don't share that take lmao
dire condor
haha bot yelled at you
I'll fight that bot
twilit wren
Yeah the bot yelled at me and I felt so bad 😭
polar dragon
I mean i think $2 for a game isn't bad
dire condor
But no seriously being a nintendo fan doesn't have anything to do with talkin about what classifies as what
I mean really it's not gonna ruin your fun at all
polar dragon
Though i understand that could be a lot of money for non dollar countries
twilit wren
I mean i think $2 for a game isn't bad
It isn't but they already said the game doesn't look fun at all and I'm just standing there like hih
dire condor
anywho time to get angry with hades AGAIN 😠
twilit wren
Oh no
coral hawk
Hades is a third person shooter if you use bow
twilit wren
Hack n slash if you don't
coral hawk
Its a fighting game if you use fists
polar dragon
Hades is a survival game
twilit wren
Hades is a RTS
coral hawk
Survival Crafting game
polar dragon
Hades is a RTS
no
coral hawk
you craft weapons out of keys
twilit wren
<:isaacdelet:665758982178078737> no
Starcraft 2, hades, same thing really
polar dragon
coral hawk
Thas a good emote
polar dragon
Have you seen first person isaac?
twilit wren
What.
polar dragon
Imagine first person hades
polar dragon
You think you do, but you don't
twilit wren
I honestly don't know how to feel on that lmao
polar dragon
If the control scheme is lesss janky
And mouse input
And more than cardinal direction looking
That could be good
But then, just play old school Doom or System Shock for a better experience xD
bleak coral
Like you were saying though, I do like the dynamic of them all, I honestly just ...
yeah, no social links but the bond system is still pretty good
this game doesn't have a calender system so social links wouldnt really work
to me, the entire theme of P5S is that it's not really Joker's story anymore, rather its the entire party's story
twilit wren
Good I like that
polar dragon
Too big brained
twin yarrow
now tbh, there can be some bad things that can happen, when people don't know what some games are
youknow, banning games
or gaming as a thing
dire condor
strive is trying but still ends up being hard in certain aspects anyway
removing gatling makes combos actually harder
crimson fossil
lol, idk about alot worse bro haha, have you ever tried to do I-no combos in ggxxacp? just bnbs were ridiculous
dire condor
ino is a pretty extreme case yeah
the fist of the north star game was extreme iirc
also some kof titles
polar dragon
Okay why is hitbox good for fighting games?
crimson fossil
ohhhhh okay, i submit, i forgot about kof for a second lmao
twin yarrow
one dude on tv seriously tried to explain how games turn kids into maniacs..
dire condor
I play dizzy in +r she aint that bad
crimson fossil
its inputs are precision personified
twin yarrow
he told that there is a game called Doka 2
and in that game you have to pull out guts for 15 minutes
dire condor
like I said before hitbox isnt necessarly better
crimson fossil
hold back to forward as a charge move, and its impossible to get any accidental diagonal inputs or anything like that. its, this button is back, this button is forward. the end, no flubbing
dire condor
the reason why ppl freaked out about it is its bc it broke a game I dont remember which
because of the way hitbox registered inputs
thats not true for all games though
crimson fossil
back when it first came out it was possible to guard in both directions at once
polar dragon
the reason why ppl freaked out about it is its bc it broke a game I dont remembe...
Interesting. I know some melee players use hitbox because carpal tunnel
crimson fossil
but it has since been elimenated from scod cleaning or something like that
polar dragon
I think I'll wait for GGS to be slightly on sale and pull the trigger
dire condor
in general hitbox inputs are very precise like alk said so its sometimes easier to do frame eprfect stuff
crimson fossil
just simple stuff like dragon punch input. its so easy with hb. literally tap forward, tap down, then while holding down, tap forward. boom dp. 100% of the time. alot of people struggle with that input in the heat of it, but hb makes it braindead
dire condor
I wouldnt say that
its something you gotta learn regardless
I actually like doing dps on pad more because I know pad better :p
bleak coral
my dumbass cant even do a shoryuken consistently
crimson fossil
thats the 1 thing that most people complain about for their first couple months on stick
dire condor
thats the 1 thing everyone complains about
crimson fossil
and thats the dragon punch input i was talkin bout lol
bleak coral
oh
dire condor
ngl you could prob endlessly argue
crimson fossil
oh for sure haha
bleak coral
I really wanna try Marvel sometime
Marvel 3 specifically
but if I go online I'm gonna get clowned on by people who have been playing for 15 years
dire condor
its fun but the netcode is terrible ;(
crimson fossil
i could never get into those, i cant enjoy tag fighters for some reason
bleak coral
its such a sick concept to me
polar dragon
Huh
The last fighting game I played was one drunk night in college where we played MK vs DC universe
polar dragon
I remember being upset with someone playing Joker and spamming bullets
dire condor
zoners...we live in a society
polar dragon
its trashy tho
Haha well we didn't know any better then.
polar dragon
zoners...we live in a society
Tap them on the shoulder and say stop playing lame
crimson fossil
I just remember being like 8 and getting my first ps1 game, soul blade, later to evolve into soul calibur. never looked back haha
eager hamlet
I mean yeah, MK games in general are kinda bad, course the crossover was trashy
crimson fossil
i never like the way netherrealm fighting games played. too stiff. mk and injustice
dire condor
I thought mk11 has rollback
crimson fossil
theyre good games but i like most other fighters better tbh haah
but i also hate tekken so take my opinion with a grain of salt
eager hamlet
Oh right
11 does have rollback
Eh, I found Tekken to be kinda weird too
Too much of a knowledge barrier
dire condor
I dont like tekken or mk personally
eager hamlet
I stick to ArcSys titles
dire condor
but I can say they are decent games
eager hamlet
And the PSP Dissidias
crimson fossil
airdashers are my favorite for sure
eager hamlet
And UMvC3
crimson fossil
blazblue and guilty gear are my jam
eager hamlet
It felt kinda slower and less fluid to me movement-wise
crimson fossil
yeah, thats them dumbing it down game after game to get a bigger market
they cant make that pace of play anymore
eager hamlet
Also I kinda dont truly vibe with anyone
crimson fossil
lowering the entry barrier
dire condor
its very expensive and doesnt look fun to me personally agreed
eager hamlet
Chipp lost his teleports and his best feature is staggers rather than mixups
dire condor
gonna keep playing +r
crimson fossil
im feeling giovanna and nigoryuki
eager hamlet
Millia is alright but not exactly a character Id gravitate towards
Axl uses charge inputs and I hate those
crimson fossil
anji is a savage too if you get a flow
eager hamlet
Nagoriyuki is cool though
crimson fossil
yeah i dont mess with charge characters, hard pass haha
eager hamlet
Maybe Ill be more impressed with Happy Chaos
crimson fossil
im pumped to see his moveset bro
i hope it isnt all zoning with guns, and they can do an elphelt type thing where its like rushdown guns
eager hamlet
Kinda want Answer back though
crimson fossil
I want my girl ABA in this piece
man, i wish +r had a netcode to speak of lol, im missing the good ol gears
dire condor
you dont have it on steam?
they fixed the netcode recently and gave it ggpo
its really good now
I can match aganist the other side of the planet and its still playable somewhat
crimson fossil
nah, unfortunately i only have it on my ps3
dire condor
oh rip
dire condor
its not that expensive on steam tho
dire condor
😔
crimson fossil
it can run hades, and thats its max capacity lmao
dire condor
+r should be less tasking than hades graphic wise at least
crimson fossil
it runs hades perfectly tho
dire condor
unless your internet is terrible
crimson fossil
I wouldve thought so as well, but canyourunit says otherwise
polar dragon
play Duck Game
polar dragon
I wouldve thought so as well, but canyourunit says otherwise
canyourunit is not exactly accurate
polar dragon
yeah that's a good plan
dire condor
very much so
dire condor
keep in mind
im never playing vs randos
I always search matches in fg discords
so idk how long the queue is
but the netcode is superb
twilit wren
What are we talking about? Sorry lmao
dire condor
fighting games
crimson fossil
yeah, im sure random queue is pretty long waits, but we have discord now so via lfgs is probably fine.
twilit wren
OH my b
polar dragon
and I dont care about it
then how do you know where you stand?
i come from a rts/moba background where sbmm is common. just curious for fgs
crimson fossil
yeah im pretty sure it was just connection based matches, very little consideration taken to wether you won the last 20 or not
dire condor
I know where I stand from tourneys I played and went to
and playing vs ppl in general
but I dont really care about my rank I want to improve and have fun
polar dragon
fair enough.
i guess tourneys isn't as popular here. unless you are like proper pro level, there just isn't any of that available.
dire condor
hm where do you live
coral hawk
Mobas are just time wasting simulators
dire condor
doesnt matter wehat your skill level is you can enter
most communities run beginner tourneys too
polar dragon
im currently in the US, but haven't heard of anything (albeit I also dn't look)
dire condor
us is the best country you could be in for that tbh
maybe jp too
if youre getting strive I 100% guarentee you you'll get into online tourneys
offlines you might need to travel
polar dragon
yeah.
dire condor
I need to travel too but yeah
polar dragon
ill look into it.
dire condor
dont do these often
polar dragon
you are in germany right?
dire condor
austria
it also HEAVILY depends on your game
I played more niche games
strive is the opposite of niche
dire condor
exactly
polar dragon
it looks like ggs has sbmm 
dire condor
👌
coral hawk
I'm ready to pick up some new games to play lol
polar dragon
hows your backlog 
coral hawk
Like portal my favorite fps
Actually not bad
I typically only get 1-2 games and play through it until I literally can't stand the game anymore
polar dragon
nice
coral hawk
But that's cause I'm broke
And grew up broke lmao
We got like 1 videogame a year and you either liked it or you had nothing to play
polar dragon
Me too, in the sense that I used to have a crappy PC and some handheld
So I'm more limited by what can actually be run
coral hawk
I just got a gaming laptop last year and I love it so much
I'm 30 and am able to make responsible adult purchases now lmao
polar dragon
I just got a gaming laptop last year and I love it so much
Nice. Treat it well. I have an 8 yo laptop still going strong
coral hawk
oh yeah I love this thing
polar dragon
Indie games don't take much to run
rich loom
hello Charlotte is a good game!its got uhh a mini series, dunno how u do abt horror tho
coral hawk
This is my laptop spec
AMD Ryzen 5 3600 6-Core 3.6GHz (4.2GHz Max Boost)
Graphics Cards: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 8GB GDDR6 Max-P
Memory: 32GB ORIGIN PC Approved DDR4 3200MHz (2X16GB)
Hard Drive: 1TB Samsung 860 EVO M.2
coral hawk
I haven't run across a single thing I can't run yet so I'm happy lol
polar dragon
I haven't run across a single thing I can't run yet so I'm happy lol
Oh get a second monitor if you haven't
It's a game changer
polar dragon
hold on
hitbox doesn't have 2nd joystick
how would it work in a twin stick shooter
eager hamlet
Not well I imagine
rancid token
Depends on whether you can fire at analog directions or just 8
Analog it wouldn't do, 8 or 4 you could designate a button for each cardinal
coral hawk
also laptop so I don't really know 1 how to hook a second moniter
or if I would even want one lol
And I play everything with fps and ping on just from my old days of having a laptop that literally played everything in like 10 fps with like 300 ping
lusty pendant
obtain monitor, obtain HDMI cord and adapter if needed, plug HDMI cord into laptop and monitor
polar dragon
or if I would even want one lol
yeah obviously it's up to you. but i used to think that dual monitor is unnecessary, until i get to use a setup at work and ever since, i can't live without it.
stable kindle
its nice even just casually, i can be full screen in a game and still keep tabs on discord or whatever. like now :)
polar dragon
yup
wraith cradle
I use Dual Monitor when I'm in a boring class so I can pop up a MTGA match in the other one 👀
polar dragon
to be fair, technically i don't even have a 2nd monitor
i just use my PC display and a laptop
but it works well enough
coral hawk
Also the big reason I have a laptop is cause I'm disabled and have trouble sitting at desks for prolonged amounts of time
so second moniter would be difficult with the laptop aesthetic lmao
wraith cradle
Personally I have a laptop cause I use it as much outside like inside
Well, for non-gaming matters I mean
twin yarrow
also, i want to notice that having 1 monitor PC + laptop is not the same as 2 monitor PC
with the first config you don't have to alttab to answer a message
when my laptop died, i had to make a decision, to buy a new one or buy a new monitor, i choose the latter
and not that i regretted this, but it's not the same
broken smelt
Hardware unboxed do really good in depth monitor reviews so that's a good YouTube channel to check out for that kind of thing
woven breach
well the research does not consist of just the monitor, measuring the size, free room I'd have, a good mounting bracket (that's not from a sketchy brand)
so it's more of
work space overhaul
but thanks for the reco 
fathom juniper
mornin' 
sleek quiver
I got my replacement ready the day I first bought my Switch 
Still haven’t actually drifted, but I’m ready for it
woven breach
When did you get yours?
I got mine last year
...from japan
My bro had the opportunity to go there
fathom juniper
noice
sleek quiver
Around January
woven breach
Ah
woven breach
Yep
fathom juniper
i mean
i have my old controller here that i paid... less than a half than i'd pay for a set of joycons
and that was over 5 years ago
it served me well for over 5 years and like... about a month ago it developed only some marginal drift in the right stick that most of the time i don't even notice
and it's got d input and x input
it's great little thing
spending twice as much twice a year for a switch doesn't really look appealing to me
and that comes from someone who wanted to buy a switch not too long ago
oh well - just add it to the list of cons i discovered recently, i guess 
sleek quiver
At this point, you really just be better off waiting for the Switch Pro and see if that improves on the situation
Whenever that’s coming
sleek quiver
It does breaks my heart a little when the recent E3 didn’t announced new Switch 
fathom juniper
never
ever
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVEEEEEEEEEEEEEER buy hardware like that shortly after it launched
it never ends well
first batches always have some issues that get fixed later
sleek quiver
Hades on handheld tho
fathom juniper
sleek quiver
Who could ever resists such temptations
fathom juniper
people tend to forget - especially now that we're on a second switch revision
but switch had some major issues at launch
fathom juniper
Who could ever resists such temptations
me
sleek quiver
A friend did commented on why I bought a Switch so late into it’s life cycle
4 years after initial release
woven breach
Breath of the wild
sleek quiver
I’m so late into the game
fathom juniper
because that's a reasonable thing to do?
woven breach
And honestly that's the only reason
fathom juniper
you've got 4 years of games and fixes for a smaller price?
woven breach
Also most indie games
sleek quiver
Well, the reasoning was, you’re better off with a Switch Pro at this point
2nd gen hardware that fixes the problems of the OG
fathom juniper
the switch pro that we didn't even see yet?
the switch pro that doesn't even have a date yet?
the switch pro that we don't even know how much gonna cost?
naaaaah
yeah nah
early adopters deserve what they get
miss me with that
same with preorders, tbh
sleek quiver
Some people did wait though, they’re still saying “just wait for Switch Pro”
woven breach
Here's the thing, it's a bit unreasonable for nintendo to at least not give us a sneak peek at E3 if they're working on it
fathom juniper
maybe it's just not ready to be shown?
it's a long and complicated process
it takes time
sleek quiver
The next best guess is late this year then
Holiday seasons?
I think, maybe?
Idk
fathom juniper
maybe
it's a really lucrative season
but seriously now
the more we talk about the switch here...
the less appealing it is to me
number of pros goes down to just... one at this point
while cons go up
dodged that bullet
gonna pay my next rent and bills with that money
sleek quiver
How bout this, have you heard of the Ayaa Neo? Or the GPD Win 3? A Switch-like with PC internals?
Price hovers around $700 to $1000 though lmao
More than double the Switch price
fathom juniper
oh yeah i've heard about them
not really a thing for someone with two laptops
like - it's a great looking piece of hardware
being able to work on my mod and then play it and test it on the fly?
amazing
but...
1 - that price is a bit 
and 2... i'm already doing all that on a laptop so
in my opinion you buy into a console ecosystem for experience you're not gonna get anywhere else
i'm not talking just about the games themselves - most of which play pretty much the same across most platforms, and get ports by the boatload
i'm talking about stuff like the HD rumble or how you can split joycons and enjoy some couch gaming with a buddy and so on
and now that xbox and pc are pretty much interchangable in terms of AAA games
and sony is so far up it's own ass it can almost taste it's stomach acid
nintendo is basically the only one offering that
but after all those talks...
what they're offering kinda stopped appealing to me
you know what i mean?
like - i'm not trying to dunk on them here out of spite or anything (god knows i've done alot of that already)
i'm just saying that... switch just doesn't seem like a good purchase for someone who already plays on a PC
sleek quiver
Well, yeah, most of the time, you don’t need more than one platform
One is enough, just wait for the ports if you’re that desperate, it’s worth the wait
So, it’s basically a question of how does these platforms differentiate from each other
And when they start doing that, they start to not being able to cater to everyone
fathom juniper
yeah - exactly
and this was the biggest plus for nintendo - the switch is completely different and unique
but it comes with so many caveats
the nintendo tax on games, degrading joycons, paid online of... questionable quality and so on
and that's besides things like battery degradation or closed ecosystem or less power - which is understandable in a mobile device
and besides - someone's gonna mod that extra dusk level from switch back to pc in a matter of days anyway
so i'll just have to wait a few extra days and get it for free
god, i love mods so much 
and speaking of dusk...
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/638031423340806185/857590061767983134/unknown.png
spoiler - it's still not out
it barely just passed the nintendo certification thingy
bleak coral
mystic wave
bleak coral
woven breach
If that's true anyway
woven breach
then again I'm against buying a 60 bucks remaster anyway
rancid token
Yeah if I want to play it, it's on the Wii U virtual console for 20
Motion controls still suck, but not 40 bucks to fix suck
twin yarrow
Motion controls still suck, but not 40 bucks to fix suck
sounds like a tongue twister
twin yarrow
i mean
i have my old controller here that i paid... less than a half than i'd pa...
and actually yes, the old dualshocks had much better stick quality. problem appeared with the second version, they have changed the hardware supplier of sticks
to the same supplier who makes sticks for new хвох controller and all the joycons
i had to throw away three dualshocks bc of that.. while the original one worked longer than all of them together
and would've been working today, if wasn't slammed against the wall
woven breach
both of my PS4 controllers are still working till this day
been 5 years
yay
though my knock off pro controller somewhat outlive my joy con...
fathom juniper
and would've been working today, if wasn't slammed against the wall
well i dunno who's making sticks for this little dingus i'm using right now so
but i can relate to that bit you said about slamming your controller against the wall
though i didn't do that with a single controller, there was a period when i tried to go back to a competetive online FPS and, uh...
seeing my skills decay after not playing for so long made me develop such anger issues i was...
burning through around 4-6 mices a month
just throwing them at the floor, the wall
still plugged - just yeet it at the wall and let it unplug itself on the way
this is why i don't play competetive online FPS anymore 
sleek quiver
With the Switch, you throw the whole system
sleek quiver
Why only spend $60 again when you can spend $300 again
bleak coral
Twitter
coral hawk
I've had my switch about 2 years now and just started getting mild drift. And steam sale starts in roughly 30 minutes
I'm excited to spend all my money lmao
dire condor
I think I'm officially over Nintendo.
coral hawk
I can see it too but I'm just surprised that a ton on my wishlist isn't on sale this time aroudn
fathom juniper
yoooooooooooooo
look at all those great deals 
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/225916795008188417/857672902069059634/unknown-23.jpg
wraith cradle
My god so tempting
fathom juniper
i know, right?
polar dragon
Tfw strive is still full price
fathom juniper
oh hey - ultrakill is 20% off
fathom juniper
4.3k currently
which is... more than average
usually it orbits around 2-3k
i'd say - go for it now
cause it's a double xp week
and double item drops
junior crown
finally a sale, where the games I look out for, are on sale.
fathom juniper
oh wow
this... is actually a damn good deal
https://store.steampowered.com/bundle/15435/Wolfenstein_Alt_History_Collection/
for some really damn good games
and...
one really unfortunate one
sonic berry
TNO has its soundtrack at -50% 
fathom juniper
tbh i don't think it's worth buying
don't get me wrong - it's a good soundtrack
it fits the game perfectly 
but it's probably not something you'd listen to in your free time
besides like...
two tracks
sonic berry
Oh well 😦
hidden zephyr
all my games on my wishlist are like 30% off.... great sad inside. 😦
harsh blaze
https://store.steampowered.com/ - Summer Sale is live
wraith cradle
LMAO anime Catgirl in the cover
tall hornet
cat girl summer
coral hawk
Ok so it did just take a while for everything to go on sale
junior crown
LMAO anime Catgirl in the cover
yeah the current theme of the summer sale
is to pick your favourite genre and that be your path for adventure?
and Anime has its own genre set off
sonic berry
Does anyone know what Lucas Pope is up to these days?
twin yarrow
There were what, 3 games by him?
twin yarrow
And something about.. Papers as well?...
fathom juniper
paperboy!
twin yarrow
I remember something about papers and railroad, but mb im mixing it up with something
wraith cradle
glory to arstotzka!
twin yarrow
Glory
fathom juniper
man
that owolfenstein sale looks pretty tempting tho
next patio
My friend asked me where the steam sales are and just sit there like: wut?
wraith cradle
https://store.steampowered.com/app/733790/Not_Tonight/
In case you need more Paper Please
The Steam Sales were the friends we made along the way
sonic berry
I noticed the game last summer, but didn't get it. But now...
wraith cradle
And this one too
This is the most British game I've played
It's like playing a Monty python sketch
sonic berry
How's the music on those two?
fathom juniper
wraith cradle
The first one can't remember. The second one has actually quite good music. There is also a variety of genres with hip hop, rap, pop all stylized with the 90's
sonic berry
I'll check them on yt then. Thanks
fathom juniper
ok, so...
i could either get myself ultrakill
or pay just a little bit more and get two good wolfenstein games
and one crap one
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 
wraith cradle
Coins were invented for something 
fathom juniper
yeah
for doing crits https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgyfQNDpMiE
maiden ermine
Me: I am not that obsessed with Animal Crossing
Also me: has paid off all of my house loans in full
eager hamlet
Funny how its the steam summer sale, and the only game I care for is the one thats not on sale since its coming out today
I feel like I have just bought every worthwhile JRPG on steam already
wraith cradle
You gonna buy Nexus on release too?
eager hamlet
Prolly
wraith cradle
You think they gonna pull a Code Vein and make it ||A God Eater Spinoff too||
wraith cradle
I'm enjoying a quite nice RPG as we speak
Iron Danger, not japanese tho
It comes with a Demo if you are interested
eager hamlet
Sadly not a fan of tactics games
coral hawk
oh no I tried to buy Dandy ace and steam bugged and has it listed as a "pending" purchase and I can't cancel it and it wont let me purchase other things until this goes through
the whole purpose of steam is that I can buy the game and play it instantly lmao
rustic falcon
oh no, contact steam support?
coral hawk
Yeah I waited til later in the day to buy stuff because I knew steam has problems the first like 2 hours of big sale
but I figured 4 hours later it might be ok lol
mk it let me cancel now
but it said they might still charge me for it lmaoooo
steam a bad today*
wraith cradle
I'm just reinstalling Warhammer 2 now I bought two DLCs for it
coral hawk
I went back after cancelling and it purchased instantly so now I'm installing dandy ace
which is a really fun rogue like (check it out gamers)
it has a free demo (not paid not sponsered)
fathom juniper
ok, going back to what i was talking about yesterday
dusk is -45% off
and it's a really nice price for such a game
https://store.steampowered.com/app/519860/DUSK/
check it out, gamers lol lmao not sponsored
also @polar dragon
KF2 just went down to about 2 bucks
-75%
it's not gonna get any lower
wraith cradle
I personally full FOMO
I fear there is a cool game out there I will not realize I can buy for sale before the sale ends
fathom juniper
there's always key resellers
not the best source of getting games, but hey
they're there
wraith cradle
Lmao
It is, by the way, a complete coincidence that the 44th President of the United States has the same name as this domain.
coral hawk
I have seen that game around before
Though I will say its interesting I looked through the reviews for dandy
and one person compared it to transistor
a few compared it to hades
but strange that two people compared it to different supergiant games lol
coral hawk
ha
lusty pendant
got my hollow knight switch cartridge whoo
now I have all the indie games I like on 1 console
eager hamlet
Say, Albino, did you play Crystar by any chance?
wraith cradle
I started that game two times
Because I lost the saves when I got my new computer
And then I accidentally deleted them :/
It's a very play the story tolerate the gameplay type of game
It gets repetitive fast
But the story is nice enough to keep going
At least the 10 h I managed to play
eager hamlet
I see
Also huh, Scarlet nexus is available
Ill just wait for a couple of reviews before buying it
Just in case of technical issues
wraith cradle
I'll also wait cause as I said Steam seems overloaded
So the download speed is shot
You'll probably gonna play it at the same time that if you hadn't waited
Gonna see the worst reviews by journos to see the flaws
polar dragon
also <@!162305901892599809>
KF2 just went down to about 2 bucks
the $2.49 is the upgrade to the digital deluxe version
the game itself if $7.50
ill mull it over
my friend is telling me to get divinity 2 so we can play together
polar dragon
i mean it's still quite cheap
fathom juniper
yeah
and hey - double xp
4 times the drops
and enough freshies to dunk on by getting that no. 1 spot
polar dragon
also me yesterday is like okay lets not buy anything this sale
me today: okay maybe one or two games
coral hawk
Divinity 2 is on sale for 18 when its normally 45
that is a great deal and d2 is a great game
*IF you have someone to play with its a tad boring solo
polar dragon
*IF you have someone to play with its a tad boring solo
yeah the only reason im getting it is because my friends are
im checking with them to make sure that we can actually start a campaign
coral hawk
I'd love to have someone to play it with lmao
wraith cradle
Ok, game finally downloaded, Time to play as the Obama
vivid mesa
I remember getting Odama and Okami confused way back when I was younger and was only playing OG XBox since it was the only console I had (so only one I paid attention to 😛 )
wraith cradle
Well, finally bought Library of Ruina
Ended doing it before getting out of EA and raising the price
lofty pecan
can anyone recommend any jrpgs or arpgs with a similar bright cellshaded art style to scarlet nexus/persona 5 plz?
lofty pecan
thx
eager hamlet
Eh, Ni No Kuni is a different kind of cel shading
Much softer
There is SAO: Fatal Bullet, which is an actually surprisingly decent FPS RPG which is cel shaded
wraith cradle
Red Steel 2 although not really an RPG
coral hawk
Fatal bullet made me sad, it has some screen flashes that you can't disable that triggered my photosensitive migraines
Which when hades changed to the second Death defiance effect also triggered which luckily they reverted after I and osme others asked them to please get rid of it lol
eager hamlet
Fatal bullet made me sad, it has some screen flashes that you can't disable that...
It does? Damn, I didnt know
That sucks
Is there a mod to disable it by any chance?
rich loom
@maiden ermine moving the animal crossing convo from the fanwork to here, the biggest issue is drip marketing rather than one big update that ive seen alot. it's fine from time to time but theres only so much in the game that can be done before it gets boring.
rich loom
yeah. it also cut out a bunch of stuff from older games, and while thats not an issue at first, gives a lot of limits to what you can do
even simple decoration things got cut for no reason
scenic wigeon
challenge time:
can you name a roguelike that's not hard?
I can name one:
||Pajama Sam in "No Need to Hide When it's Dark Outside"||
tall hornet
minesweeper
scenic wigeon
minesweeper
Minesweeper is hard what are you talking about
tall hornet
my winrate in minesweeper is higher than in hades
tall hornet
what possibly makes a game easy
i think if i can play a game and win a lot it's an easy game
dire condor
I was gonna say Hades on 0 Heat isn't too tough.
scenic wigeon
I was gonna say Hades on 0 Heat isn't too tough.
well, it's hard starting out
hybrid jetty
depends on if we mean on a first playthrough or just overall
scenic wigeon
depends on if we mean on a first playthrough or just overall
let's go with first
hybrid jetty
because i can't really think of any off the top of my head that are easy on a first go, due to how the genre works
unless we start really bending the definition of "roguelike"
scenic wigeon
well, let's say roguelikes and lites
a roguelike is a game that randomly generates the layout of levels each time you play
with permadeath being a staple of the genre
and a roguelite is the same thing, but after every run, you are slowly progressing, where as a roguelike shows no physical progression between runs
something like Oregon Trail is a good example of a roguelike
and Hades is a good example of a roguelite
hybrid jetty
okay if that alone is the bar then I choose Heat Signature
since it is very easy to get a character to retirement with the most minimum of risk
polar dragon
challenge time:
can you name a roguelike that's not hard?
Pokemon Mystery Dungeon
It's more roguelike than most games and is a Pokemon game so difficulty isn't a thing, really.
sleek quiver
A roguelike that isn’t hard… isn’t that kinda against roguelike designs? Like, roguelike has such short gameplay loops, the difficulty has to be hard to keep players engaged? From my perspective, it should be hard (at least harder than normal games)? Idk really but I feel like it should be
vivid mesa
it takes a sweet spot of being hard, I feel
can't cheat and just artificially inflate the difficulty
sleek quiver
True
thorn tundra
Minesweeper isnt hard its just hard cause people dont know how to play it
Just read numbers
The only time its hard is when you're in a 50/50 situation
scenic wigeon
A roguelike that isn’t hard… isn’t that kinda against roguelike designs? Like, r...
I've never seen that as part of the roguelike/lite definition so I don't count it as such
scenic wigeon
Minesweeper isnt hard its just hard cause people dont know how to play it
well then how do I play it
give me a run down, I'm curious
thorn tundra
The number tells you how many bombs there are in a 3x3 grid
If the number says 1, then there are 1 bomb in the 3x3 grid
If it says 2, then there are 2 bombs in the 3x3 grid
Its that easy
thorn tundra
Literally just watch a youtube video about it
Its easier to visualize
Once you see how it works
thorn tundra
Its pretty much just following what the number tells yoi
scenic wigeon
this is the EASY mode
thorn tundra
Sudoku is a lot more complicated version of minesweeper basically
thorn tundra
The first one, might be depending on the game, is always clear
scenic wigeon
one cannot find all the mines based on the numbers alone
thorn tundra
As I said, its only hard on 50/50 situation
And that isnt even difficulty
Thats luck
That isnt skill
Thats just literal luck
scenic wigeon
And that isnt even difficulty
well, it's difficult to finish the board due to said luck
no?
polar dragon
well, it's difficult to finish the board due to said luck
Not that often.
thorn tundra
Its not difficulty though because its a sitaution of no matter how good you are, youll still have 50/50 chance
Its not something you can overcome with skills
polar dragon
Most of the time you can clear. A few times you get down to 50/50
Well it also depends on the difficulty
thorn tundra
Like you can have a bad early game on Enter the gungeon or hadrs
polar dragon
And I think their is a skill ceiling in the game (barring time attack)
scenic wigeon
because the luck (usually) doesn't triumph over skill
polar dragon
You can master Minesweeper. It's not a hard thing to do.
thorn tundra
But when it comes to just clearing the game, it isnt that hard
polar dragon
Doing it fast is another story.
scenic wigeon
although
we are basing this off of first playthrough
thorn tundra
Minesweeper doesnt have a tutorial(at least most apps dont) which is its biggest downfall
polar dragon
Even on first run.
thorn tundra
If they implemented a tutorial many people wont be confused by it
scenic wigeon
Minesweeper doesnt have a tutorial(at least most apps dont) which is its biggest...
yeah I think if it had a tutorial I'd be more inclined to master the mechanics
polar dragon
Unga bunga see 1 and a bomb next to it
Unga bunga click the rest
Unga bunga see 6
Don't click
thorn tundra
I play more sudoku though
Sudoku is fun and still hard when playing hard/expert mode even without the timer
Since you have to learn the possible numbers inside a cell and when you can consider two cells have two exsct possiblr numbers as one cell to eliminate the possibility of other cells in the same column, row, and 3 by 3 grid to have it
sleek quiver
Erm, I should get a Sudoku for my Switch, I loved playing Sudoku when I still only had my phone as my gaming device
scenic wigeon
is Sudoku free on the Switch?
sleek quiver
Don’t think so, I’ve scoured the free games list on Switch, never saw Sudoku, unless I missed it hard
thorn tundra
Yes Id rather have my phone stolen than my switch even though my phone contains more information about me
sleek quiver
I mean, I’ve played most of the free games on Switch
scenic wigeon
if it's not free, don't bother, imo
I don't think Sudoku is worth a price tag
thorn tundra
Its worth if it has levels that were made by actual people
thorn tundra
But if its ai generated not really
scenic wigeon
if you want to get it, I recommend you do
I'm just pitching in my two cents
thorn tundra
Just buy it with gold coin
sleek quiver
The internet quota that I’ll used to download that Sudoku is probably more expensive than a $5 game
scenic wigeon
bottom
thorn tundra
Thats a sleak looking minesweeper