you can always immune pivot in these games
#video-games
polar dragon
dire condor
But a good prediction, or a rude programmer, would have the AI select its action based on what you chose for a given turn, effectively forcing you to way overcompensate.
polar dragon
i mean there is an offchance they might use a neutral move but they don't "predict"
dire condor
So, the Voltorb would use Thunderbolt if it saw that you kept Skarm in to use Spikes or Whirlwind, but would use HP Grass if it saw you switch to Swampert.
polar dragon
yeah
dire condor
I've never actually tried a Pokemon ROMhack, but that sounds up their alley.
polar dragon
but you would have no way of knowing the torb has HP Grass
that's my fear
or a random mon carrying earthquake
dire condor
Certainly, the larger point being the game selects its moves after you, abusing type advantage and effectively-precognitive knowledge to the best of its ability.
polar dragon
because gf likes to slap eq on every mon that appears bulky
bleak coral
romhacks can be brutal
dire condor
So I suggested an OM towards the end of Gen 7 that was denied (rot in hell, Smogon user The Immortal, Smogon is better for your absence) that let Pokemon share moves they weren't using with teammates.
dire condor
Tapu Koko rarely ever used Brave Bird itself, so why not give that to Salamence?
Meanwhile, Salamence could lend Fire Blast to a Specs Koko set.
dire condor
Anyway, the Gen 8 tutors have by and large rendered my concept obsolete because there is incredible coverage to be found.
polar dragon
speaking of, what is the most ridiculous pokemon/move combo you can think of?
dire condor
Like the aforementioned Close Combat Haxorus, who was previously limited to Low Kick and Earthquake.
We talking legally available or just in general?
dire condor
Probably Urshifu-SS.
polar dragon
yeah that works lul
dire condor
Dark/Fighting on top of either Iron Head or Poison Jab (both of which Urshifu get) is truly amazing.
Enough to get it the boot!
They keep unbanning Magearna and Urshifu-Single in OMs and people just keep asking "Whyyyyyyyyyyyy?"
dire condor
Sketchmons: "Hey, maybe we can defensively handle Urshifu now!" [Gunk Shot and Sunsteel Strike intensify]
polar dragon
and how can you ride a pikachu like you ride a lapras
dire condor
I believe it was a Yellow Version meme.
I can imagine. "Hey, it's a Pikachu, Rhyhorn can block i--"
bleak coral
idk how im gonna pick between him
or rowlet
i dont wanna send a gif because im terrified im gonna get accidentally muted again
stable kindle
yeah you send them too much, use gifs sparingly~
i have nothing to say about pokeymans rn except 
bleak coral
sorry :(
stable kindle
its all good! i dont mind them too much but i think people forget (and i am guilty of this as well) that they take up more screen space on mobile
so what are we hoping for tomorrow
lusty pendant
? what's tomorrow
bleak coral
summer games fest
polar dragon
im looking for my 2nd dose tomorrow
and then moar vidya game + table top sim with frends
at night
and some l4d2
tmr gonna be good
wraith cradle
List of planned sequels I want but are in radio silence
Darkest dungeon 2
Silksong
Forbidden West
Beyond Good and Evil 2
Hopeful soon I get gameplay of some of thsese :p
lusty pendant
ayy a hollow knight fan
wraith cradle
I think half of the regulars here are xd
rancid token
I just want a peep out of the missing Nintendo Trio
Metroid Prime 4, Bayonetta 3, and Breath of the Wild 2
lusty pendant
fire emblem 17
hybrid jetty
i would be interested to see new fire emblem
rancid token
We just got a new Fire Emblem let F-Zero have a turn
Y'know, F-Zero, a franchise comparable in genre and identity to Fire Emblem
sleek quiver
Didn’t Nintendo themselves say F-Zero won’t be getting official sequels anymore? Something along the lines of “we can’t innovate anything into F-Zero anymore”
rancid token
That's fine, Wipeout is basically Better F-Zero anyway
fallen sky
the age of empires priest. what's up with that
polar dragon
Dunno
woven breach
dang wipeout 2048
polar dragon
First time hearing about it
woven breach
I don't like racing games but that game got me hooked
woven breach
yea
rancid token
Wipeout is good but very different from a standard racer I think
Like I said, very F-Zero
sleek quiver
What is the last F-Zero game anyway?
dire condor
GX, for the GameCube.
sleek quiver
Dang, GameCube
dire condor
There's a number of Wipeout games on Steam and I'm very strongly considering some of them.
rancid token
Huh, I thought they were trapped on the Playstation
Yeah no Wipeout proper is Playstation exclusive
Redout is the closest thing you'll find on Steam
scenic wigeon
That's fine, Wipeout is basically Better F-Zero anyway
and Fast RMX is pretty much just F-Zero
fathom juniper
sleek quiver
No smoking in public places
wraith cradle
It has Yuffie on a poncho, so it's half-there already
woven breach
Can't wait to play all the eps
I'm gonna wait
Prob wait till it comes to PC
Not willing to get ps5 yet
mystic wave
so if Persona is Jung, then this game is Freud? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oA5yETFqvlg
bleak coral
This game is mad edgy
but it looks like a combo of Persona and SMT with Tactics gameplay
the models look good as well
seems inspired by SMT If
normal marsh
I was thinking of getting shovel knight treasure trove on switch, for those who've played is it worth it if I've never played NES games but liked games like the messenger
rancid token
Yes, absolutely
It's not as fast-paced as The Messenger but it's a ton of content for the price
fathom juniper
https://twitter.com/nibellion/status/1402974443102773255?s=21
oh god
i hope that doesn't mean even TVs are gonna be using that clunky, blurry, stuttering, ad-ridden UI from xbawks
you guys better stick to buying companies and adding more and more stuff to gamepass 
and... basically being the only company that gives a damn about backwards compatibility and games preservation
it's not quite there yet, but by god they're trying
polar dragon
i hope that doesn't mean even TVs are gonna be using that clunky, blurry, stutte...
Samsung TVs already have ads xD
If I have some spare money I would set up pihole
fathom juniper
samsungs tvs also run on tizen
which currently on... tizen 5 i think? is just as laggy and broken as it was on 3
or whatever
6 years ago, i mean
it even looks worse 
polar dragon
Is there nothing sacred anyone?
fathom juniper
well... there's doom
oh wait, no - they screwed that up too
with those... m-movies
"""""M O V I E S""""" 
wraith cradle
so if Persona is Jung, then this game is Freud? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=...
Persona at home
normal marsh
It's not as fast-paced as The Messenger but it's a ton of content for the price
I'll give it a go then, thanks!
tight trench
Redout is the closest thing you'll find on Steam
polar dragon
Genshin Impact is FREE on Epic Store Pog
stable kindle
free to play not to progress
polar dragon
but its freeeeee
I, for one, cannot wait to preorder this game for absolutely no reason. I think preorder is good tactic to support indie developers like EA. It's only $59.99 anyway expansion not included. I wish more people are aware of hidden gems like this game.
dire condor
You're aware of the Streisand Effect, right?
dire condor
I've got nothing else to add, just curious if you knew what you were doing.
polar dragon
not sure if it applies here
but i do think there is such a thing called negative press
i don't believe in all news is good news.
stable kindle
pre purchase our new shooty game that probably doesn't mix things up much from the last game 
dire condor
Look, I do hang out in groups that play shooters. I personally like a good FPS myself, and it's frustrating to me that there aren't many good MP shooters out right now.
No, I don't have anything else to add.
Nevermind.
junior crown
challenge: good mp pvp game to release and not die out quickly (impossible)
polar dragon
Overwatch is kinda that?
it's not super good, but at least it wasn't as much of a dumpster fire
dire condor
challenge: good mp pvp game to release and not die out quickly (impossible)
Melee
wraith cradle
challenge: good mp pvp game to release and not die out quickly (impossible)
Rainbow Six Siege
dire condor
That said, I think I'll be buying 2042, now.
bleak coral
Summer Games Fest in 1 hour
dire condor
I was on the fence before.
wraith cradle
I..... Have 1200 hours on it
bleak coral
challenge: good mp pvp game to release and not die out quickly (impossible)
cs would like a word
Apex
bleak coral
yeah siege was a disaster at launch
wraith cradle
Although they have screwed it up with Overwatch
bleak coral
hey Respawn did a really good job
wraith cradle
They have announced they are gonna retroactively make it a 5v5 game
bleak coral
Overwatch is tragic but its not terrible
bleak coral
They have announced they are gonna retroactively make it a 5v5 game
that was a change for the next title
bc tanks are busted
junior crown
Remember when Titanfall 2 was still pretty active and wasn't filled with people who are like masters at the game so playing it is something.
bleak coral
id rather them make a radical change then not
wraith cradle
The 1 will have that changed too, Right?
dire condor
Unless we are in fact getting a Titanfall 3 or another shooter by Respawn, I'll always hate Apex for eating that development team.
wraith cradle
Funnily enough Apex Legends saved Titanfall
bleak coral
Besides, I'm sure 6v6 will still be playable in arcade
wraith cradle
They just [[Expeletive deleted]] the E-Sports scene with that choice
junior crown
I still don't get their change to turn into 5v5
dire condor
That's a weird take and I'd love to hear how that makes sense.
wraith cradle
Now they will have to restructure their teams and fire members
twin yarrow
honestly, there are too many 'realistic' multiplayer shooters, so things like OW and Арех at least somehow outstand a bit
bleak coral
The 5v5 change was for several reasons, but the biggest were queue times and a redesign of Tanks
dire condor
I love double jump shooters.
twin yarrow
but things like quake3 or unreal tournament are not a thing anymore
dire condor
I adored Titanfall 1, and Infinite Warfare is my favorite MP shooter of all-time.
twin yarrow
champions was close, but not that close
bleak coral
they wanted to make them close up brawlers rather than all-in shield users
dire condor
Diabotical is also in that vein.
wraith cradle
Titanfall 2 is my fav non-tactical multiplayer game
dire condor
If I weren't utter trash at Titan combat I'd play more TF2.
wraith cradle
Smart gun itensifies
twin yarrow
BIG COMBAT MECH
dire condor
But even against the dudes who haven't been playing endlessly the last 5 years, my Titans deal quarter damage and take quadruple damage it seems like.
dire condor
WHERE'S MY ARMORED CORE 6, FROMSOFT?
I did hear an interesting take, as a PC gamer, last night.
twin yarrow
btw, mechwarriors recently made its way in steam
dire condor
Aim assist through 2013/2014 was livable.
I saw!
I'd be more excited but I really am getting into "Too many games, not enough time," territory and I want to hold off new expenditures when I'm still playing games I own.
wraith cradle
challenge: good mp pvp game to release and not die out quickly (impossible)
Let's try again then.
Dead by Daylight
Phasmophobia
PoE
Rocket League
polar dragon
PoE is PvP?
twin yarrow
wait, phasmophobia is pvp?
wraith cradle
Oh right pvp
dire condor
Then, with Titanfall 1 and the three jetpack Call of Duties, aim assist was ratcheted to soft aimbot levels of stickiness to compete with the advanced movment (literally did not help in Black Ops 3 or Infinite Warfare, ATVI took a bat to Titanfall's movement system's ankles), and then we got back to boots on the ground, they left the aim assist as-is.
junior crown
and not asymmetric should be added honestly
wraith cradle
Fall Guys
dire condor
Yeah, symmetric PVP is important.
wraith cradle
Sea Of Thieves?
wraith cradle
Dragon Ball FighterZ
dire condor
My roommate hasn't played Destiny since we leased our house 10 months ago, but he will still talk your ear off for hours on-end if you let him get started.
"Don't you have good games that could be enriching your experience? Why do you continue to complain about a game you don't play anymore?"
polar dragon
Sea Of Thieves?
SoT is too slow for me tbh. 60% of the time you spend travelling and walking. It could be "chill" for some people but it's just ... boring for me tbh.
dire condor
"And why did I let you talk my ear off for 45 minutes when I only poked my head out of my room to refill my glass of water?"
I hope Bungie makes a shooter for PC players next.
After dabbling in F2P Destiny 2 and then revisiting Halo, they are console shooters through and through.
wraith cradle
I still know people that rage about Halo 5 Plot
Which granted was bad if the summaries I read are true
dire condor
I sat through a bit of the Halo 4 campaign last night watching a stream.
twin yarrow
"Don't you have good games that could be enriching your experience? Why do you c...
it's like that kind of relations with your ex, when you may hate each other, but that's bc you once lived in love. and you are still attracted a bit
twin yarrow
you can ignore only things you don't care about
dire condor
But I'm also self-aware enough to go "I should take steps to distance myself."
twin yarrow
but you do care, and the things that happen, hurt. so you hate it
dire condor
Yeah, I got a bat taken to my heart's ankles last summer, but instead of constantly badmouthing the girl who did it to my friends, I've taken steps to distance myself and found other things to keep me occupied so I'm not just sitting festering in my own filth.
It doesn't not hurt, but once I stopped picking at the scab it healed over with just a bit of scar tissue.
If you get a bad cut, you clean it, put a bandage over it, and then leave it alone.
twin yarrow
that's how i did
for now i've forgot that Destiny 2 exists
but i still do have some merch, my friend has her ghost plushie, and my doggo is still called Cayde
bleak coral
dire condor
These are all true.
In a separate conversation, do you ever go "Well, enough about what you were cooking, lemme pick at D2's drop system again"?
dire condor
Well, it's not healthy for the person afflicted, nor is it good for the people around them.
It's like the Kardashians or hot tub Twitch streamers; these things would not be in my sphere of experience if people didn't keep bringing them up specifically to dog on them.
I didn't know hot tub streamers existed at all until, in a completely unrelated Twitch stream, someone came barging in with "OH MY GOD, DID YOU SEE A WOMAN IS TAKING CONTROL OF HER OWN SEXUALITY? UGH, IT'S PATHETIC."
"It's pathetic," is a direct quote, unfortunately.
twin yarrow
(shrug)
dire condor
Some people have issues with following "Don't like it, don't play/watch it," and strictly speaking I have no issues with that.
I've been on Smogon for 11 years now, and there were times when I kept playing despite not having fun, and that's on me, but I also wasn't going around telling people how awful a time it was because it was my choice to spend time there.
wraith cradle
Control is Free?
NICE
wraith cradle
I genuinely cannot imagine the stacks of cash Epic had to throw to get that
dire condor
Without Epic cash we would not have had Hades as it is.
junior crown
And the dlcs for it are free too
dire condor
Hey, $8USD for one of 2019's standout games and its paid DLC is a pretty good deal.
twin yarrow
on the other hand, it's hard to argue
junior crown
yeah was odd to see lol
I remember them putting other stuff that are already free on shop but not putting them in the free games list
hybrid jetty
Ok Why it puts Genshin Impact like free game of the week?
i assume to promote it a little
idk it seemed weird to me too
polar dragon
Because Genshin is indeed free
They did that with one of the already free game before
dire condor
I remember them putting other stuff that are already free on shop but not puttin...
That makes a modicum to sense to me.
If you want people interested, Rocket League is already free, no point in giving that front-and-center billing.
wraith cradle
Ok, just read that it's there to promote the fact you can launch it from EGS
dire condor
But Control, Darkest Dungeon, Pillars of Eternity? These are all normally paid games, so being able to snag them with a singular button click and no transaction is very attractive.
But the best part about the EGS is that it's not bloatware like Steam, Origin, and Battle.net.
polar dragon
and the catch is that most of those games don't come with DLCs
wraith cradle
That being said
dire condor
Excuse me, DRM bloatware.
wraith cradle
Control is 100% worthy without DLCs
polar dragon
Excuse me, DRM bloatware.
steam drm isn't that bad
dire condor
I may get the Season Pass just for the value and to beef up the game even more.
polar dragon
you also get workshop
wraith cradle
10 minutes baby
polar dragon
should i watch on youtube or twitch?
junior crown
watch it from a streamer.
scenic wigeon
yeah okay so what I was saying
dire condor
Okay, let's put this "Epic buys games for exclusivity!" garbage to bed.
It's an additional free executable.
Origin didn't brick my computer.
It cost me nothing to add one more launcher.
scenic wigeon
it costs hard drive space
dire condor
So does Steam.
scenic wigeon
ALTHOUGH
I have heard that they were involved in a thing where they were basically stealing your data
wraith cradle
Lul Borderlands Spinoff
dire condor
Unless you route literally everything you have through a VPN anyway, you're on the internet, your information's being stolen.
Welcome to 2021.
scenic wigeon
Unless you route literally everything you have through a VPN anyway, you're on t...
well that doesn't make it any less okay
dire warren
finally got my 3ds up and running again
time to make it through the 2+ hours of cutscenes and bosses i couldn't save last time
dire condor
It does make "EGS bad, Steam good!" hypocrisy, though.
scenic wigeon
I'm not saying one over the other is good
polar dragon
EGS good, Steam good
wraith cradle
Both Free I don't care
scenic wigeon
I'm just saying I don't like how EGS is buying third party games for their sites
why do I have to own two anyways
scenic wigeon
I'm trying to conserve hard drive space
polar dragon
oh boy
wraith cradle
I'm Lmaoing rn
dire condor
I own my EGS games more than any of my Steam games.
scenic wigeon
what does that mean
dire condor
I can uninstall EGS right now and still run every game I've bought/acquired through it with zero issue.
polar dragon
You can do the same with some Steam games
scenic wigeon
yeah
dire condor
Steam, Origin, Battle.net, others I'm likely forgetting, are all loaded with DRM.
scenic wigeon
RE2 I can run apparently without Steam
dire condor
I can't even turn off Steam in the middle of Hollow Knight without killing Hollow Knight.
wraith cradle
The Legend has appeared
scenic wigeon
I can't even turn off Steam in the middle of Hollow Knight without killing Hollo...
uh
what
here let me test that I'm playing Horizon: Zero Dawn right now
polar dragon
Darkest Dungeons, HK, Hades, Isaac, and many more can run without steam
scenic wigeon
update: game runs
dire condor
I've been on Steam for 8 years and in that entire time it's been completely DRM-filled.
vagrant epoch
It depends on the game
But yeah, Steam has its own DRM on top of any DRM the game might have
dire condor
The EGS (at least now, 2.5 years after its launch) has none.
polar dragon
I've been on Steam for 8 years and in that entire time it's been completely DRM-...
well that's simply not true. and EGS also has their own DRM
I don't think that's true
vagrant epoch
Which is surprising considering how much stuff they give away for free
polar dragon
Are you mistaking GOG Galaxy with EGS?
GOG Galaxy is the only one I know that is truly DRM free.
scenic wigeon
Which is surprising considering how much stuff they give away for free
well, you gotta make your money back somehow
wraith cradle
Can you bellieve Geoff is 15 years younger than Kojima?
scenic wigeon
/j
polar dragon
also can we move on to Summer Game Fest? I use Steam because the DRM isn't obtrusive and Workshop is nice, I use EGS because free games are free.
come watch the fest instead.
scenic wigeon
I can't even turn off Steam in the middle of Hollow Knight without killing Hollo...
update: tried it, game runs
I'm playing Hollow Knight rn
Steam's closed
game runs
dire condor
Did you X out of Steam? Or actually kill the executable?
scenic wigeon
Did you X out of Steam? Or actually kill the executable?
how do I do that
dire condor
Right-click Steam in the Task Bar, click "Exit Steam".
Or Ctrl+Alt+Del it with the Task Manager.
scenic wigeon
ah
dire condor
Yeah, Steam's UI is incredibly consumer-hostile.
scenic wigeon
and I'm assuming this problem is exclusive to Steam
dire condor
It's not a problem with EGS games.
scenic wigeon
Yeah, Steam's UI is incredibly consumer-hostile.
this is literally the first and only thing I've ever heard about it
dire condor
Mass Effect 3 does the same.
scenic wigeon
it's not like I'm ever gonna just...
close Steam anyways, right out of the blue
dire condor
Yeah, Steam gets all the good press.
scenic wigeon
Steam isn't without it's flaws but it's not garbage
wraith cradle
Jeff looks like a Washed out Rock star
dire condor
I didn't say it was entirely garbage, only that the EGS hate mob is just that.
It's not justified.
scenic wigeon
hey, I'm not hating on EGS as a service
I have no right to
I've never used the Store or anything like that
dire condor
Arguments of "exclusivity" are bunk as well.
scenic wigeon
and unless I crack and buy one of their dumb exclusive third party games, I most likely never will
dire condor
Bloodborne is an exclusive.
If you don't have a Playstation or significant workarounds on PC, you're not playing it.
scenic wigeon
yeah, but that's to drive the sales of A console
this is PC
it's supposed to be more free-range than a console is
it's cool there, but not really here
dire condor
Yes, and EGS games are more free-range than Steam.
scenic wigeon
that's not what I meant
dire condor
Of course it's not.
If I could have purchased Hollow Knight and Dead Cells on the EGS, I would have, because I wouldn't have to even have the EGS installed to run them.
polar dragon
@scenic wigeon just stop arguing with him lol.
You can't change his mind. He's saying literally things that are not true.
scenic wigeon
<@!700842288095690842> just stop arguing with him lol.
You can't change his mind...
I have an issue with stubbornness
I can't solve it
can you recommend a good solution please
remote marsh
~~can you recommend a good solution please~~
delete discord
dire condor
Visit Reddit less often.
scenic wigeon
Visit Reddit less often.
how do I visit it less often if I've never been on it at all
stable kindle
hey all I'm gonna formally request you switch topic at this point
polar dragon
Come watch Summer Game Fest <3
scenic wigeon
hey all I'm gonna formally request you switch topic at this point
okay
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
play any good games lately?
scenic wigeon
Come watch Summer Game Fest <3
what's that again?
remote marsh
omg i can get an among us mask by watching that
scenic wigeon
among us mask Twitch drop?!?!?! (but in all caps)
well that's it
now I have to watch it
because funny amogus
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remote marsh
do you always have that on standby?
scenic wigeon
do you always have that on standby?
yes.
remote marsh
bruh
scenic wigeon
https://www.twitch.tv/thegameawards
when does it start?
I have class in like, 26 minutes
oh wait it's already started
remote marsh
nice
scenic wigeon
yeah sorry I can't watch it until I'm fully done with class
remote marsh
rip
polar dragon
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remote marsh
you lookin kinda sus
scenic wigeon
https://cdn2.bulbagarden.net/upload/1/13/591Amoonguss.png
THEY KNEW
dire warren
i like this game but the ai likes arguing with itself
having a team of 6 that can't be made to not all bunch together is just, wrong
our heavy hitter kept getting cut off by a guest we're keeping in the party for only this dungeon
our glass cannon is leading and gets zero of the usual backup because there's two melee-onlys who refuse to go anywhere useful
polar dragon
which game is this?
dire warren
pmd
polar dragon
oh lol
steady otter
our glass cannon is leading and gets zero of the usual backup because there's tw...
Then why you have the cannon lead?
dire warren
it physically won't let me not have the cannon lead
steady otter
Sad
dire warren
gotta be at postgame for that
steady otter
Too bad
dire warren
thankfully we're back to two members again
manageable
polar dragon
so you cannot tell your teammates what to do in pmd right?
steady otter
Well
dire warren
teammates you can, guests you can't
polar dragon
i kinda stopped playing after like 2 hours
polar dragon
huh
dire warren
that was two teammates and three guests, and i didn't want my partner to be wandering around
polar dragon
salt and sanctuary 2
bleak coral
of course companies are gonna save their big stuff for e3
but for all the non e3 companies, this is cool
dire saffron
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im sorry if yall were having an actual conversation
i just needed to respond with amogus
bleak coral
We were
scenic wigeon
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/838872435955859526/839131533264158720/i...
A M O G U S
bleak coral
new Amogus update looks kinda nice though
scenic wigeon
new Amogus update looks kinda nice though
what's the new update again?
all I know is that there's a tan color now
scenic wigeon
new map already?
bleak coral
Yeah
scenic wigeon
I swear the Airship came out not too long ago
bleak coral
They doubled their staff in the past year
scenic wigeon
ey good for them
bleak coral
yeah :)
dire warren
that was the strangest cutscene
bleak coral
They went from 3 people to 4 with their social media manager
and now they're 8
total
scenic wigeon
niiiiiiiiiiiice
polar dragon
for honor 2
remote marsh
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/838872435955859526/839131533264158720/i...
what
remote marsh
nice
wraith cradle
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468419754139451394/852619436019941409/unknown.png
For being a game made by a dozen people it looks outright gorgeous and AAA at times
polar dragon
Riot Arcane, Witcher, RE, Cuphead adaptations coming to Netflix
analog blade
i’m not even watching it lol
but i’m seeing stuff for it in other servers
polar dragon
kenobi
fathom juniper
wot
analog blade
so i’m just checking stuff out yknow
polar dragon
just saying hi
fathom juniper
sorry i was too busy doomin'
i'm gonna watch it just to get angry at the industry before going to bed 
polar dragon
yeah that's a good roguelite
analog blade
yea hi
polar dragon
no paydays
normal marsh
do you think a switch pro controller would be worth it for me if the only games i have are mario kart 8, FE: three houses, swords of ditto, and shovel knight
polar dragon
get jebaited lol
analog blade
Uhh yea sure you do you
normal marsh
like is the experience that much better with one
analog blade
i have a bunch of games but no pro controller
the issue i always have is delayed inputs instead of drift or anything
fathom juniper
oh hey
a shooter inspired by sixties and seventies TV and entertainmnent?
as in - another one - after deathloop
this one's co-op
wraith cradle
This reminds me Deathloop still exists :p
fathom juniper
co-op shooters are slowly dying
so the more the merrier
wow...
a pre-rendered trailer for a DLC fast and furios tie-in
neon pivot
fathom juniper
fathom juniper
tales of arise
i saw that title card and i just...
just...
had to do this 
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/317322464772489216/852624362996760646/arise.jpg
i'm sorry
||no im not 
||
wraith cradle
This one looks cool
fathom juniper
oh hey - planet of lana actually looks pretty cool
i mean - it does this a bit too common "platformer about a big-headed kid in a spooky forest" thing
but it looks pretty
that title card tho...
i could make this one way, way worse
oh woooooow...
we're getting a new segment dedicated just to... two new overwatch models 
what padding?
SOMBRA LOOKS THE SAME
i can't even spot the difference
sweet jeebus...
fathom juniper
i've been hating blizzard since 2005
oh hey - i see we're doing this good old "scripted gameplay with fake reactions" thingy again
ubisoft called - i'd like it's old ideas back
polar dragon
real actors, paid person
fathom juniper
study shows that most actors are - in fact - people
and most of them are paid too!
wraith cradle
Reminds me to this hilarious video
Guys who take the scripted cringy gameplay videos and roleplay as real players
fathom juniper
"you can co-stream this performance"
god i hope twitch craps the bed again and mutes the whole thing
please, twitch
for once in your awful existence do at least one do thing right and mute this trash
fathom juniper
i love the lack of enthusiasm
this whole thing makes me feel like i don't even like videogames
or play them
look at all those videogames going on right now
also - remember what happened the last time when someone tried to have a live performance on twich like this one?
junior crown
that was an... interesting trailer for endless lol, still excited.
fathom juniper
yeah it looks... alright
why do so many games share the same overwatchy-artstyle tho?
smooth shapes, simple texturing, bright pastel colors an soft shadows?
scenic wigeon
it's popular
scenic wigeon
it's a dumb reason
but
it's popular
rancid token
Better than realism, imo
fathom juniper
but - you know - there's such a thing as "too much"
scenic wigeon
yeah I know
junior crown
same thing can be said "why is there so many pixel games"
fathom juniper
Better than realism, imo
yeah
scenic wigeon
I'll say this, I'm not sticking up for them
scenic wigeon
I'm just providing a reason
rancid token
I think blanketing as pixel art is a bit too broad a net
scenic wigeon
yeah
fathom juniper
yeah
scenic wigeon
Dead Cells and The Messenger are two pixel games
fathom juniper
oh hey - look at Gus pretending to care about video games
rancid token
Shovel Knight and Blasphemous are two wildly different art styles within the medium, for example
fathom juniper
yeah
but i was talking about a highly specific style there
in that endless dungeon example
rancid token
Oh sure, that's more in response to Wok
It's also probably likely a popular art style because it can run on so many different hardware specs
fathom juniper
HOLY MOLY AM I HAVING A CIVILISED CONVERSATION HERE?
alright - back to complaining about videogames
fc6
rancid token
At least they walked back pretending it won't be political
scenic wigeon
HOLY MOLY AM I HAVING A CIVILISED CONVERSATION HERE?
rarely happens here?
fathom juniper
rarely happens to me
scenic wigeon
ah
scenic wigeon
yup
scenic wigeon
I've always wanted to make a video about why the crossovers in Fortnite aren't good
I dunno why I'm saying this but I am
fathom juniper
i've always wanted to make a video about why fortnite isn't good
i dunno why i'm saying this but i am
wraith cradle
Does a genre truly die?
rancid token
2B more like 2Bean
fathom juniper
BOMB IT!
scenic wigeon
but I wanted to talk about something generally overlooked
wraith cradle
Or they become so niche they are released only by one or two companies
scenic wigeon
to tell people that they're chugging along?
it'd be nice to know it's not cancelled
fathom juniper
not for vapid corpo-talk about some made up theoretical videogames that may or may not exist
wraith cradle
Example: One single company releases almost all musous
scenic wigeon
the what nows
rancid token
Musou titles
Dynasty Warriors and the like
I can't think of one that's not from Koei-Tecmo
wraith cradle
DW is THE musou in a way
fathom juniper
excuse me
scenic wigeon
I can't think of one that's not from Koei-Tecmo
shoot I was gonna say Nintendo
scenic wigeon
Age of Calamity?
fathom juniper
christ almighty
scenic wigeon
SONIC UNLEASHED, NO LESS?!
is it a rendition of Endless Possibility?
wraith cradle
Publisher: Koei Tecmo
rancid token
Age of Calamity is still Koei Tecmo
scenic wigeon
ah
fathom juniper
wow - i've never seen sonic unleashed running at this stable framerate
oh wait, it's prerendered
polar dragon
fathom juniper
oh hey
finally we might see some gore
ok - i'm cautiously optimistic for back 4 blood
key word being cautiously
they still might screw this up
or worse
polar dragon
I WANT MOAR B4B
fathom juniper
make it dull
remote marsh
No
scenic wigeon
which is worse
a boring game
or a bad game
fathom juniper
oh wait - a new game with...
smooth shapes, pastel colors and diffused lighting and bloom?
remote marsh
Boring games are boring, bad games are bad
fathom juniper
gee what does this remind me of?
polar dragon
Boring games are boring, bad games are bad
big if true
dire saffron
well a "bad" game can still be entertaining
like bad to a point of comical
or albeit not the best designed, still is fun in ways
while if its boring, you dont feel that
fathom juniper
well a "bad" game can still be entertaining
like re6
stable kindle
pops by briefly and sees musou mention, hello
dire saffron
theres also the question of subjectivity in bad and boring
scenic wigeon
theres also the question of subjectivity in bad and boring
hm?
like, what makes a game boring?
fathom juniper
don't want to say "artstyle" because i'm using this word so much it's slowly losing it's meaning
polar dragon
like, what makes a game boring?
artstyle
dire saffron
like, what makes a game boring?
yea, like some people find grinding a pain and want nothing to do with it, while im perfectly fine with it
and some people find strategy games boring
remote marsh
Hey
fathom juniper
shush
dire saffron
its a question of "is boring or bad worse" is subjective in a way due to that. some people find some things boring/bad while some wont. like i personally find boring the worst here. since boredom is boredom. but "bad" does have more of an objective hold
they're both subjective, but bad i feel like has more objectivity
hence why i feel like bad isnt necessarily bad since it takes a lot to be bad to a point of not fun
while once something is boring, it loses all semblance of fun
like for some examples monster hunter and fire emblem 3 houses hold 2 different views to me
dire saffron
monster hunter, albeit not the best at times and takes a lot of dedication, the "bad" parts of it i still find fun in a way and everything else about the game that is good helps me pin it as a good game
while 3 houses is just boring
fathom juniper
oh wait it's elden ring
dire saffron
after 1 and a half runs the game just wasnt fun
devout fjord
HERE IT IS
fathom juniper
oh god here we go
we'll never hear the end of it
oh hey - a release date
noice
polar dragon
new dank souls game
fathom juniper
the game actually isn't canceled
am i the only person here that isn't that hyped for elden ring?
fathom juniper
i mean - don't get me wrong
i like this new from software
junior crown
oh wow a date
fathom juniper
oh god here we go again...
polar dragon
fathom juniper
what a waste of time this show was
fathom juniper
i mean - that's always the case with your E3s and your VGAs and what not
but i usually watch them just to laugh at the absolute state of the industry
but this?
this was so sterile and tightly scripted and performed it was just... boring
i'm off to bed
wake me up when Tim Willits comes back to id software
i paid nothing and i still want my money back
fathom juniper
also - excuse me
WHERE'S PAYDAY 3?
they clearly showed some of it in that intro bit
did i miss it?
did i just... zone out?
or maybe... it just wasn't there
junior crown
they just got bought by a publisher
like some other game studios
or something
that is it really lol
fathom juniper
yeah but...
they clearly showed some new content in that intro roll call or whatever
polar dragon
it was just a tease bro
fathom juniper
then why did they tease us by showing it there and just left us hanging?
junior crown
trailer from payday 2 for golden grin dlc and picture for payday 3 reveal
all that was shown from there
fathom juniper
polar dragon
then why did they tease us by showing it there and just left us hanging?
because they know you were watching
fathom juniper
i don't even like payday that much (imho payday 1 is more interesting than 2, even with a fraction of the content)
but it was...
legit the only interesting thing i kinda wanted to see more of
at least for me
but nah
junior crown
was shown for some collab or something
wraith cradle
Bets in Elden Ring getting delayed?
polar dragon
nope lol
bleak coral
like, what makes a game boring?
Preferences
wraith cradle
Excessive Grinding is almost an universal consensus tho
polar dragon
oof
fathom juniper
oh hey
new episode 
https://youtu.be/49o1JJkKvJg
rancid token
There sure were several games announced today
junior crown
yeah a lot of nice indies
fathom juniper
bleak coral
Elden Ring looks really good
bleak coral
Twitter
fathom juniper
as a reward?
dorito pope, mate - that was more of a punishment
next time show it first - save me from suffering through the whole damn thing
could've saved me those two hours
stable kindle
You know that other people may have been interested in those other titles? No need to put them down because you weren't personally interested in them
rancid token
There were a couple things that piqued my interest for me today
Elden Ring, Sable, Metal Slug Tactics, and Tiny Tina's Wonderlands off the top of my head
Couple of those require wrangling with being involved with bad people tho
fathom juniper
You know that other people may have been interested in those other titles? No ne...
yeah, i know
sorry for that
it's just... this show was so disappointing it put me in a bad mood
stable kindle
I get that and I understand but sometimes the negativity gets a bit much. No one made you watch the show other than FOMO. you could have easily skipped it and checked the trailer by itself
I know your thing here is complaining about video games but maybe keep in mind that your negativity has an effect on others
fallen sky
the whole e3 watch party thing has always been intriguing to me. i'd literally watch my friends in high school gather around a phone as they watched the conferences between school blocks
also i've finally decided to ease myself back into playing video games by replaying life is strange
and seeing kate marsh safe is imperative
hybrid jetty
i care less than zero about dark souls 4 feat george rr martin but hey, solar ash 
rancid token
Definitely forgot about the Solar Ash footage, that was dope
wraith cradle
The Lana game looks dope
And endless dungeon is all I wanted from a Dungeon of the Endless sequel
polar dragon
it's funny to me that they went from Dungeon of the Endless to Endless Dungeon
like
woven breach
well
it's definitely coming to PS4/PS5
and not switch
but I must say
damn the char design is on steroids
none of them I don't like
clear pier
You forget to mention the PC release as well
woven breach
well
yes
I didn't know cause that only shows PS4/PS5 release
cause y'know
playstation japan
clear pier
2:51 timestamp to see, it's also coming out for Xbox series X/S and Xbox One
I do not understand the naming convention for the Xbox's out right now and frankly, I wouldn't be interested in trying to figure out the differences.
tall hornet
xbox two
woven breach
PC three
also
Tiny Tina's Wonderlands
hmmmmm
not sure what to feel about it
cause it looks like geabox is trying to get fans back
graceful galleon
Metal Slug Tactics looks good
scenic wigeon
sees like a conversation is going on here but I want to share this
https://twitter.com/Stop_Cart_Per/status/1403169480591646720?s=20
https://twitter.com/Stop_Cart_Per/status/1403169539739701249?s=20
polar dragon
Metal Slug Tactics looks good
Yes. I love that
i think any game with tactics in the end gets me
lethal drift
wraith cradle
We gonna see tons of new emotes next three months
hybrid jetty
Tiny Tina's Wonderlands
"assault on dragon keep was the only good thing we made, let's just do that again"
woven breach
yes
hybrid jetty
my worry is that it will be one or both of two things:
- incredibly easily dated humor like most of the rest of borderlands (with tales being the exception)
- it will play almost identical to borderlands again
hybrid jetty
oh yeah bl3 combat is great its just
more of the same
also the fact that its borderlands 3 and I will not give randy pitchford my money lol
woven breach
I bought it on discount
and boy oh boy
was that a good idea
60 bucks is too high for BL3
hybrid jetty
i got it for free with some computer part i bought and couldn't bring myself to finish it
woven breach
you don't miss much
rancid token
I find it funny that the DLCs are consistently more interesting and more well-written than any main Borderlands story
And yet they're all smoked by a Telltale game
woven breach
Handsome Jack is the highlight of BL2
rancid token
He's the highlight of the franchise, frankly
I also hope that there's some substantial gameplay shakeup but I'm not counting on it
My concern with a customizable player character is that you'll also end up losing one of the other strong points, the Vault Hunter personality and quips
But I'll probably end up getting it anyway because few things make the monkey brain clap more
woven breach
what I'm counting on is keep BL3 combat, hire better writer
rancid token
Sure would be nice
FWIW I'm going through the DLCs for 3 because the full thing was pretty cheap and the writing is consistently better than the rest of the game
woven breach
oh yea
rancid token
Doesn't hurt that one of them features one of the good pairs of characters
woven breach
Moxxi heist is my fav
rancid token
Love Wainright and Hammerlock
woven breach
3rd's opening is great tho
rancid token
The Vault Hunters in 3 are also more interesting mechanically than previous ones, I think
Very happy with the decision to move to multiple action skills per character
woven breach
ye, makes the game a lot more fluid
polar dragon
We gonna see tons of new emotes next three months
who do you get your dank emojis?
i need sources
rancid token
I wish they'd just oust Randy somehow
Dude sucks
Or hey hire the Tales from the Borderlands writers
polar dragon
Tales from the Borderlands were a solid game
rancid token
Second best Telltale game imo
woven breach
First is The Wolf Among Us
rancid token
Batman S2 first, Wolf Among Us at third, Walking Dead S1 at 4
woven breach
ok I didn't play batman
rancid token
It's the most interesting interpretation of the Joker I've seen in a long time
woven breach
I love wolf among us
rancid token
And I'm absolutely sick of the Joker otherwise
winter mica
@polar dragon sorry, gotta delete, not appropriate for the server
polar dragon
Okie my bad then
winter mica
it's all good just misuse of chemicals isn't family friendly u know?
woven breach
Going Under is 50% off on switch USA
I thought it's gonna have discount on steam but no
weird 
anyway I bought it
see y'all until I beat it I guess
fallen sky
👀
tell me how it is!! or just the chat in general lol. the devs are such supergiant stans
woven breach
Just finished one dungeon
It's fun
The combat is cathartic, the writing is hilarious. Nice music too
And prob the biggest thing is
It's easy to learn
I can imagine someone that has never played a roguelite or action games pick this one up and be good at it.
dire condor
Marvel's avengers has too few characters
Of all the irrelevant heroes they have, they chose to go with Kamala
They could let us finally play with Snowflake or Safespace
woven breach
I thought Kamala is fan favourite?
dire condor
There is a marvel hero called leather-boy
fathom juniper
There is a marvel hero called leather-boy
oh hey would you look at that - that was my highschool nickname
||no it wasn't - i was too lame for that ||
dire condor
In all seriousness though, they could release characters like Maggot
polar dragon
What good should I do today
steady otter
play isaac without breaking the game
fathom juniper
What good should I do today
play some doom
or quake
or blood, or shadow warrior, don't play duke, serious sam, dusk, half life - the list goes on
dire condor
I used to play Serious Sam when I was a kid
fathom juniper
same
still playing it to this day
the first two games are timeless
then there's serious sam 2 - which is actually a third game in the series, buuuuuuuttt...
we don't talk about this one
and i actually really like BFE which a lot of people seem to not like that much
or like...
at all
dire condor
None talks about Serious Sam almost at all xDD
I haven't heard of that name for like 10 years or so
fathom juniper
u wot
well that depends on what places you visit on this disgusting information highway we call the internet
it is a fairly niche series, i'll admit
it doesn't have much "reach" and there isn't much buzz around new releases
but i admire the sheer audacity of it and the devs behind it
they're always big and technically impressive
they always develop their own tech - which is just nuts - especially nowadays
and they're just... doing their own thing, no focus testing, no blind trend following (for the most part)
dire condor
If you put it in modern day standards, SS looks like a game on its beta stage
fathom juniper
which one?
fathom juniper
well yeah it might not look all that fancy
it's still pretty much a really tiny studio
but they look clean and easy to read - which i'll take over post-processed mess anyday
and again - they all run on their own, in-house engines
i mean - look at serious sam 4
find me any other game released in the last... 5 or more years that can handle more enemies on screen at the same time
on maps this massive
now that's impressive
dire condor
It's fun simple gaming I would play it anytime
over most AAA games released the past couple of years
fathom juniper
yeah
i mean - i wouldn't call serious sam my fave series, or anything like that
but i still quite like them
in fact - the only one i didn't like is the only one that had the most corporate meddling
which was serious sam 2
dire condor
I only played Serious Sam 2 xD
fathom juniper
wait
you serious?
dire condor
yeh I am that old
fathom juniper
it's got nothing to do with age
i mean - i'm as old as doom
i'm just wondering...
what made you start with serious sam 2 of all things?
dire condor
See
I used to go a lot to net cafes when I was a kid
And there weren't stuff like League so you had to innovate a new game to play on every time
because nowadays all net cafe gamers play league or Warzone right
damn did you know that there was a ss vr game?
fathom juniper
there's like... 5 of them
dire condor
Really? I watched a video just now and it only showed 1 vr game
polar dragon
And there weren't stuff like League so you had to innovate a new game to play on...
Bro I miss the good old W3 custom map and LAN AoE or RA
dire condor
Nowadays it's league of legends or fortnite
The rest take 30 minutes to install
So it's just not worth
dire condor
League is okay if you don't play the game as intended and try to do your own thing
The game really lacks variety so you end up playing the same game with the same build and the same runes again and again
fathom juniper
Really? I watched a video just now and it only showed 1 vr game
mate - there's serious sam VR: the last hope
serious sam VR: the first encounter
serios sam VR: the second encounter
serious sam 3 BFE VR
and there's probably one more there i'm missing
pulsar schooner
Elden Ring got me hyped. But I havent played a single souls game in my life, should I be intimidated with this game? lol
polar dragon
i think vr would be the only reason people would ever build a personal pc
in a few years i think streaming services like game pass would be the way most people play games
fathom juniper
in a few years i think streaming services like game pass would be the way most p...
oh that is a dark and scary future
polar dragon
that sounds fine to me?
more mainstream vidya is good?
imaging playing any game, indie or AAA, on your phone or chromebook
fathom juniper
this is the endgame for literally every publisher because it gets rid of piracy and opens all the doors for all kinds of 💩 they would love to pull off
you wouldn't even have the files for those games so mods - gone, completely
there will always be additional delay to the games - competetive gaming wouldn't rely on it
and there would be nothing stopping them from just removing games from their lists whenever they please and there would be no one to stop them
just ending game preservation
a future where all games are streamed is the future where i give up on games completely
polar dragon
sure, but i should clarify I guess that by game pass, i don't mean its model specifically.
i think there should be models where you own the game, and rent a server computer to stream to whatever device you want
akin to what nvidia offers right now
fathom juniper
that, yeah - sure
polar dragon
i do agree that if you can only own games through subscriptions, that would be a nightmare
fathom juniper
but you know me
i got burned on those corporations one too many times
give them an inch and they will take the whole mile
polar dragon
but renting a computer to do the heavy lifiting for stuff you already owned, that sounds awesome to me.