i thought i've had enough of rapture games and it was time to explore some new ideas
#video-games
fathom juniper
but i guess ken levine didn't think so
or rather - his fans didn't think so
and they wanted to see more of the same
fathom juniper
cool - great
i'm not against that
but on the other hand - i like being in the sky
steady otter
And that’s awesome
fathom juniper
so who's had more of it?
on one hand we've had bio1, bio2 and it's DLCs and DLCs for infinite that were underwater
so that's 4 things
fathom juniper
columbia tho?
it had one game, one story
and it was still relying on rapture to even exist
steady otter
The actual game setting might be part too 
That whole very very American whatsthattimeperiodcalledagain?
I don’t remember
fathom juniper
my point is
steady otter
Might be cuz I’m working on 3h sleep
fathom juniper
and i somewhat eluded to this yesterday
show some spine
if you wanna pander to fans - great, do that
some of my fave games do that
if you want to do new and unique things then that's even better - more power to you
but those two things rarely mix together
and if you do mix them together you'll end up making a disjointed, confused mess of a story that doesn't do any good for any side of the conflict
there was no elizabeth in bioshock 1
there was no tears or alternate universes or time travel or any of that nonsense there
steady otter
Alternate universe
fathom juniper
until infinite came along and made a bunch of crap on the spot
i replayed bioshock 1 last year and i couldn't take anything that's there seriously because it's a mess at this point
i hate retcons like that
steady otter
You play in a different version of rapture where infinite never existed or will exist or has ever touched it
fathom juniper
and this is what those DLCs always were - a big pile of retcons made only for fanservice
oh yeah sure
shame that bioshock 1 never mentions it
we literally came to the same conclusion yesterday when talking about genres
it's all right... we're all right... nothing and no one is wrong
that's bullcrap
as much as i like those games, we have to recognize and point to their flaws
no game is perfect and we cannot ignore that
steady otter
The we in that sentence, does it include me?
fathom juniper
everyone
steady otter
Did I have a whole conversation yesterday that I don’t remember?
fathom juniper
i'm talking generally this whole channel
there was a lot of people talking about genres and other things there
steady otter
ok
steady otter
sorry, I was awake far too long yesterday/today & only had a 3h nap so my brain gets a bit confused at times
ye, I get it
even Hades can't be perfect or so many wouldn't constantly be asking for dlc or complain about ||epilogue|| 
steady otter
no game is perfect and we cannot ignore that
I know of a constantly appearing sitch in a game series I love - Rune Factory - where everyone in the circles where it's discussed tend to love the games, but there's always 1 massive complaint
and with the new RF game coming up it's become a Hot Topic again
fathom juniper
so why would let infinite's DLCs slide because they're underwater?
fathom juniper
I know of a constantly appearing sitch in a game series I love - Rune Factory - ...
and what's that complaint?
steady otter
"Why can't I marry all the bachelors/bachelorettes regardless of the gender I choose when I play?"
cuz it's a game like stardew valley & harvest moon, but if you play as a female you can only date/marry the guys & vice versa.
you can however genderbend later on in a new game+ to swap genders, but you'll still be referred to as original gender cuz it's just a "skin"
fathom juniper
heh - funny thing
now that i think about it - the same story crap that happened in infinite's DLC happened in eternal's DLC
and people hated it too 
what a coincidence
steady otter
and with the new game coming up people are starting to say "if you can't marry everyone/anyone then I won't buy it/play it"
and the most common "excuse" is that it's a japanese game & it's not actually legal in Japan yet so don't expect it to appear in the games
so the games are very close to being perfect
but they're not
rf 4 female with the bachelors
fathom juniper
slow down shadow
bot's getting angy
steady otter
rf 4 male with the bachelorettes
I do adore that game though
but it's annoying to have to remember the gender I want to play as after I've not played for a while
you can unlock extra story after you marry a character
so it's common to marry them all at some point
wraith cradle
That gif is making me anxious 😁 it always tricks my brain in that is going to last longer and then it cuts
steady otter
lol
watch the opening to the game
that's where it's from if I don't remember wrong
it's very anime
wraith cradle
Rune Factory is the kind of franchise you think died years ago but it just chugs along without a care for the world
steady otter
it did die
the company went bankrupt or so
but then it got revived
with new company
RF is a spinoff of Harvest Moon
the first RF was just "Rune Factory - a Fantasy Harvest Moon"
I only played stardew valley because I wanted moar Rune Factory & it was the closest I could find to it
woven breach
steady otter
fathom juniper
wolfenstein the new order
i'm still surprised with how well written this game is
there's actually a lot of similarities between TNO and the first AND ONLY two max payne games
max payne 3 doesn't exist
fathom juniper
in that regard...
yeah i guess - the combat is pretty solid
and i'm not against the change in tone and the enviroment
it's the bioshock situation all over again
we've had two games set in the same city, time to explore new places
go for it 
but i refuse to believe the character i played MP3 is... actually max payne
woven breach
he's an alcoholic joe schmoe
fathom juniper
it's like Dan Houser... || 
you again!|| didn't grasp what made this character interesting
i mean - i don't mind him drinking a lot
there's been some references to him enjoying some 
in previous games
so seeing him going down that hill after everything that happened in 1 and 2 makes sense
woven breach
I mean for the whole game his diet consist of Jack Daniels and painkillers
fathom juniper
it's just...
where's his sarcasm? where's the snark? where's his weirdly positive attitude towards everything despite everything that's going on?
woven breach
prob some hair he ate when he shaved it but you get my point
fathom juniper
none of what made him a compelling character in 1 and 2 is back in 3
nothing, not a single trait
monologues and swear words are not a substitute for character development
max payne 3s writing utterly stinks of that patented rockstar / modern GTA nihilism
which isn't surprising since they share the same writer
the whole story goes in circles
hinges on multiple absurd premises (the whole "you're the fall guy" and "oh yeah there's this dude we never mentioned before that's the key player now") and so on
and in the end... it arrives at basically the same conclusion max payne 2 did
so... what's the point?
you can literally skip this whole chapter and lose nothing
seriously tho @woven breach - play TNO
it fills the void in my heart left by MP3 perfectly
such a great game
woven breach
what's TNO? 
fathom juniper
wolfenstein: the new order
fathom juniper
the one i mentioned like... 5 minutes ago 
fathom juniper
woven breach
too good
fathom juniper
i still find it hard to believe how they turned this most nothing character that was blazko in older games into one of the most well rounded FPS protags ever
while still paying homage to all the older games - including the ones from EARLY EIGHTIES ||yup - this series is that old|| in some really subtle ways
woven breach
my memory is a bit hazy
ngl
might need to replay it
hehe
I'm just finding reasons to replay old games
fathom juniper
well there you have it
woven breach
but I do remember what happened in new colossus
fathom juniper
fun fact
wanna talk about similarities between the first max payne and TNO?
fathom juniper
you never played max payne?
woven breach
I just jumped to MP3 cause I had nothing to do
woven breach
like, the visuals can be pretty
fathom juniper
can i ask why?
sleek quiver
Older game design can coincide with modern gamers expectations
woven breach
even though I've tried
steady otter
you gotta learn to play the jankyness
fathom juniper
i mean - i get what you mean
steady otter
it's part of the charm
sleek quiver
QoL touches, modern trends, etc
fathom juniper
it's not really about the jank
if anything i'd argue that there's a lot of older games that control better than their modern counterparts
sleek quiver
Just like the Diablo fandom 
steady otter
skyrim is gonna be 10 years old this year
fathom juniper
but in terms of older games...
they tend to be more focused on doing only a handful of things
as in - you're not gonna get profiles with constant drip feed of unlocks and pointless skins and rewards
tacked on crafting
sleek quiver
Just like the Diablo fandom <:shadefear:520448085151842318>
Division between players who are born before the millennium and after the millennium
fathom juniper
light stealth because that's what everyone's doing
max payne 1 is a third person shooter and that's what you're gonna be doing 90% of the time
steady otter
skyrim taught me an important lesson that I've used in subnautica
fathom juniper
simple as that - it does one thing and it does it very well instead of spreading itself thin across multiple popular genres
does that make sense?
steady otter
if you can jump you can probably climb a mountain
this also worked underwater
sleek quiver
Well, it depends on what you expect from a game. Trends become, well, trending, because people caught on to it
We don’t like it but apparently it what moves on Google
fathom juniper
yeah and that's a thing i don't really like
as in - there's way too many games that are too similar to each other
just look at sony and their recent output
third person action games with light stealth (bonus points for sneaking in tall grass) and crafting
steady otter
so, on today in subnautica
Prawn suits can climb by hugging the wall when they run out of jet power by idk standing still on nothing so long as it's on the side of the cave & waiting for the jet to power up again.
You'll never trap my Maddie! Never
fathom juniper
you get all 50 shades of the same idea in their games from the last like... 6 years
sleek quiver
At this point, whenever I think of Sony, only Spiderman comes into mind
fathom juniper
like... get this
when i say "a third person action game with light stealth and crafting made by sony in the last 5 years" - what's the first game that comes to mind?
steady otter
idk any games by sony
fathom juniper
it's a fairly specific description - it shouldn't be casting a wide net here
yeah exactly @steady otter
steady otter
I knows movie
fathom juniper
and that's my point
steady otter
but no game
sleek quiver
if you can jump you can probably climb a mountain
this also worked underwater
I wish I’ve played Subnautica, but not yet. These are the games that I see a lot of people play, idk if I’m going to like but there is a slight interest, but of course not a priority in the wishlist
steady otter
play it
it's janky in all the right ways
and it's got the perfect blend of survival & horror & fun & relaxing
fathom juniper
horizon fits this description (both of them), the last of us fits that description (both of them), ghost of tsushima fits this description, uncharted 4 fits this description and so on
and that's just last gen sony - i'm skipping way too many games here
steady otter
unless you have thalassophobia or trypophobia
sleek quiver
like... get this
when i say "a third person action game with light stealth and ...
Metal Gear Solid? Never played it so I’m just gonna bet
steady otter
wait
fathom juniper
most of the time, anyway
woven breach
uncharted doesn't have crafting, though honestly that game sticks out way better than ghost of uneaten sashimis
woven breach
kek
steady otter
they don't really mean the same in my mind
especially when my brain is at this stage of tired
sleek quiver
unless you have thalassophobia or trypophobia <:ia_think_thonk:81568073106954655...
New word of the day, trypophobia
steady otter
playstation is playstation & sony is sony in my mind
fathom juniper
yeah uncharted doesn't have crafting
but know what i'm talking about, right @woven breach ?
woven breach
yes
steady otter
like one does games & the other movies
woven breach
I very much understand
that's one of my complaints with Spoopy Tales of Island on Sashimi
woven breach
everything that is good in that game is the coat of paint
fathom juniper
anyway - my point is
go check out max payne 1 - it's one of the best action games ever made, though it might be showing it's age for younger audience
just get your expectations in check before you go in - it's a core third person shooter, there's no tall grass stealth, no cover system, no crafting, no open world, no collectibles (kinda) and so on
fathom juniper
it's just you, piles of painkillers, lots of loud guns and a handfull of trippy dream sequence
sleek quiver
Every single game from that list still does have a different focus from eachother, or at least 3 that I’ve known (don’t know anything about HZD, I live under a rock). Having features like crafting is meh in a game when it’s shoehorned in, but at this point, I don’t think developers can afford to have less “content”
fathom juniper
it's a game made by a relatively small studio, they didn't have time, money and manpower to do a lot of things so it focused on doing one thing, and doing it really well
steady otter
HZD has fun story
fathom juniper
and this is the sort of laser focus i love seeing in games
steady otter
and I love the blend of tribal communities with robot dinosaurs & animals
fathom juniper
don't focus on cramming as much bullcrap in your game because other popular games have it
direct that focus on doing one thing you do best
this might be the only recurring trait of all my fave games - as varied as they are
SGG games, COF, soma, dusk, mirror's edge, re4, split second, doom and so on
fathom juniper
all laser focused on doing their own, specific thing you won't find anywhere else
sleek quiver
Mirror’s Edge, now that’s a game that’s worth a talk. It’s a really cool runner sim (idk) that got bloated in the later entries
steady otter
parkour
fathom juniper
HOLY GUACAMOLE
remote marsh
what is quacamole
fathom juniper
fathom juniper
you'd have to scroll up like 500 messages back to get to that yesterday's convo to get what i'm making fun of here @steady otter
steady otter
no thank you
sleek quiver
I always felt like it’s unfortunate that they tried to innovate and try to break into new grounds for the second game but really ends up just bloating the gameplay
fathom juniper
I always felt like it’s unfortunate that they tried to innovate and try to break...
did they try to innovate with the second game?
i beg to differ
proper mirror's edge 2 was in the works years before catalyst but EA didn't give dice a green light for it
sleek quiver
Tried to incorporate aspects other than just running to justify a second entry into the series
fathom juniper
years after most of the core staff left dice, catalyst started development
and it didn't innovate squat
those things you mentioned there were only there because of current popular trends
sleek quiver
proper mirror's edge 2 was in the works years before catalyst but EA didn't give...
Huh? Oh. What was the proper ME2 then?
fathom juniper
open world, collectibles, constant EXP, utterly pointless skill trees and so on
it was supposed to be a sequel to mirror's edge
it was in early stages of prototyping when the whole thing just fizzle out
we don't know much about it besides one old video someone dug out on an old (currently dead) forum with a test map where they were testing some new properties
like improved fall damage or better animation blending and so on
also - mirror's edge gets my personal award for the most pointless reboot ever
did you know that mirror's edge: catalyst was first announced as... mirror's edge?
so we'd have mirror's edge and then... mirror's edge?
"it's an reimagining"
yeah - reimagine this middle finger
sleek quiver
Well, how do we actually improve a runner sim?
fathom juniper
the outrage was so loud that they slapped a subtitle there and called it a day
sleek quiver
The first game was great, but it was also just… a runner sim
fathom juniper
Well, how do we actually improve a runner sim?
by actually making it about running and not about crappy forced hand to hand combat?
by making it about running and not using batman gadgets for the game to do the hard jumps for us?
just throwing it out there
winter mica
@fathom juniper we don't make reeee jokes here
sleek quiver
The game might as well end up not making a sequel at all tbh
fathom juniper
<@269511032039407616> we don't make reeee jokes here
really? why not? 
did something happen?
woven breach
Prob cause they're pretty hard to reeeeeed
sleek quiver
by actually making it about running and not about crappy forced hand to hand com...
Yeah, that’s the thing, they tried to incorporate other aspects into the game and it just ends up bloating the whole thing up
fathom juniper
exactly
look up old reviews for mirror's edge 1
running, platforming and all that was the good stuff
people were complaining about combat sections
which - sure - while shooting was discouraged and hand to hand combat was... alright at best
they were rarely forced
besides the bossfight there's one section where you HAD TO fight
sleek quiver
But we can’t justify making people pay full on $60 on the same game with the same content though, I feel like people will also still complain if ME2 was made the same as ME
fathom juniper
and instead of fixing that...
here comes catalyst with overdesigned combat that looks like a slapstic comedy
and then it forces you to use it multiple times
way to miss the point there, dice
fathom juniper
But we can’t justify making people pay full on $60 on the same game with the sam...
well activision does that every year and it seems to be doing fine
im joking, of course
i'm not talking about reusing content
just look at how angry people were about saints row 4
i'm talking about improving aspects that need improving
fixing what needs fixing, and not fixing what ain't broke
sleek quiver
well activision does that every year and it seems to be doing fine
Ikr? People are fine by some games being like that, and then not fine about other games being like that lol
fathom juniper
here's another gripe i have about catalyst
did you know that the story we got in OG mirror's edge is like...
1/6th of a bigger planned overarching plot?
yup - initially it was written as a trilogy, and then shortly before the release they scrapped around 50% of it and stiched the rest together
for some reason
so instead of expanding that...
we got another fresh start for an even worse, more predictable and condescending story in catalyst
way to miss the point, dice
again
winter mica
@fathom juniper im trying to dm (dw you are not in trouble) but it won't let me, could you add me as a friend?
fathom juniper
done
sleek quiver
i'm talking about improving aspects that need improving
fixing what needs fixin...
Thinking about this, in modern day game dev, this is a post-launch content update, not a worthy sequel. Not saying that sequels should always be bombastic, but it’s another trend that we see today with games not being released as perfect as the dev wanted it to be
fathom juniper
yeah...
keep in mind that OG mirror's edge is...
13 years old at this point...
holy moly i feel old...
and besides - what i was joking there with that way to miss the point stuff is that...
i could literally go through every single aspect of catalyst and point out how it misses the point of the original vision
sleek quiver
Well, I was just thinking about how they would not be able to make a good sequel to the game no matter how they tried
fathom juniper
from world design (where's the texture? why is it made up sci fi land?), gameplay (love the fact that the combat tree has twice as many skills as running tree... in a game about running), base controls (you have to unlock an ability to turn around...), story (it's not about politics of this world, fight against censorship and corruption, nah - it's a predictable pointless family drama now that's way on the nose), writing (where's the subtle undertones and hints?), forced combat, down to character design itself
seriously - i'm a big fan of the OG mirror's edge and i've spent a lot of time dissecting it and seeing what makes it tick
and after playing it like a 100 times in a span of over 10 years i can tell you... catalyst misses the point of entirely
it may look like a mirror's edge game (though even that is arguable - look my previous post), it may sound like a mirror's edge game (Solar Fields is literally the only major player coming back for this game and he made a soundtrack that just as good - if not better in places - as the OG )
but it's just a generic modern game template wearing a different skin
i'm not saying that you can't enjoy catalyst - you can
when the game lets you to just... zone out and 
- it feels great
animations are even faster and more fluid than they were in the first one and that springboard mechanic is a great addition
i'm saying that...
with so many things things that are intentionally different by design... i don't think this game should've been called "mirror's edge"
that facade (along with a vaguely similar but still inferior art style) is there only for brand recognition and i feel like this game would've been remembered more fondly if it was called something completely different
as this sort of "spiritual successor" sort of thing
anyway - i hope you get what i mean
thanks for coming to my ted talk 
remote marsh
nice
woven breach
be the next BDG
fathom juniper
bdg?
fathom juniper
a bit
woven breach
well well well
bleak coral
fathom juniper
oh yeah i remember seeing a headline some time ago saying that the PS5 is the best selling console evaaaaah! ™️
it's weird considering that i only know literally one person IRL that has this... best selling console ever ™️
maybe it's super popular...
somewhere else
in scalperslad, i suppose
woven breach
it's dirt cheap on GOG
I don't have any CC, I can borrow my bro's but I'm sure as hell he won't let me pay him back
I'll find a way
fathom juniper
i mean
i already bought one game for someone here
the honk guy
(where is he anyway? )
let me check my bank account
steady otter
how can ps5 be the best selling console when no one can get ahold of it
fathom juniper
oh wait, nvm
it's not on gog
woven breach
lmao
fathom juniper
how can ps5 be the best selling console when no one can get ahold of it <:ia_thi...
yeah exactly
scalpers
steady otter
right now here those who got in a 2nd preorder or smth can't expect to recieve their ps5 until after dec 31st
so next year
fathom juniper
did they buy consoles? yes... basically all of them
are they using them? no
does it matter? also no
steady otter
doesn't matter if they bought it when they won't even have the console at home either!
fathom juniper
i have this... weird tin foil hat theory that sony doesn't want to fix the ps5 shortage because this current situation benefits in more ways than one
worldly cobalt
I mean, are there any games besides demon souls that would justify buying a ps5 even?
I didn't really keep up with sony releases
also hi :3
steady otter
idk
my brother wants one
and I want him to get one
because when he gets one I get his old ps4
for free
worldly cobalt
hehe
fathom juniper
- Earlier this month NPD said that the PS5 was the fastest selling console in US history through its first five months of availability * - The Verge
yup
you can thank scalpers for that
woven breach
stonks
fathom juniper
an unit sold is an unit sold
doesn't matter if it's actually being used or not
steady otter
I'd like to one day play HFW on it, but the game isn't even out yet so
besides I haven't even been able to finish HZD
need to do more babysitting
fathom juniper
this is why i feel like sony might not want to fix this problem
they basically have it in the bag - most of the PS5 are guaranteed to sell right away - no matter if it's for scalpers or normal clients
steady otter
my brother refuses outright to buy it at any price higher then the in store prices
worldly cobalt
good decision
fathom juniper
and people who are willing to spend twice as much to get it from a scalper might be more willing to spend more cash on other sony stuff like their services
ps+ or whatever
to get the most of their expensive console
sleek quiver
That’s actually bad because these consoles are selling below cost
steady otter
he knows he can get it from others, he just doesn't care
and I respect that
besides, I can play on his ps4 whenever I visit
fathom juniper
my brother refuses outright to buy it at any price higher then the in store pric...
good
sleek quiver
Consoles are always about after-sale service
fathom juniper
sure
sleek quiver
Consoles not being played is lost profit
sleek quiver
Thing is how does Sony going to fix this
fathom juniper
again - i don't feel like they would want to fix it
this might not be the problem for them
i don't trust any corporations like that to be any pro-consumer than they have to
this still doesn't stop me from thinking that sony might still benefit from this in one way or another
either by creating this aura of exclusivity around ps5 or really doubling down on FOMO or neutering this super dedicated fan base that is guaranteed to spend more on their other stuff
steady otter
how can they even fix it
what can sony do to fix material shortages
go to countries & help gather resources like game characters?
fathom juniper
dunno
dun care
sleek quiver
That’s another problem we have right now, material shortages
fathom juniper
yeah
sleek quiver
Scalpers could actually not be a problem if it weren’t for material shortages
worldly cobalt
😮
fathom juniper
but then again...
i'm the type of person that a crappy 200 dollars second hand laptop has more gaming value than a new 600 dollars console
cinder badger
i was at a bar last week and they had tons of ps5 just to play fifa i was very salty
fathom juniper
with a way, way, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY bigger game library spanning literally decades
among other things like indies and mods
steady otter
sure, but I like console gaming
my favorite is handhelds
I like being able to play on the go
switch was perfection
cinder badger
what handhelds are out there except for the switch
sleek quiver
Recently I’m been getting up to speed on the handheld PC gaming like the GPD and Ayaa Neo
fathom juniper
none
steady otter
and then I stopped docking it after the first 5 times or so
steady otter
what handhelds are out there except for the switch
old ones!
sleek quiver
Those devices look fun, if not expensive
worldly cobalt
DS still has a great library
steady otter
the whole handheld library of nintendo + psp/vita
cinder badger
old ones yea
steady otter
I still play on my GBA
are you kidding - I'm never gonna stop playing those old cartridges
fathom juniper
well - yeah - i wasn't thinking about older handhelds
worldly cobalt
I've played final fantasy tactics advance so much
fathom juniper
but switch is the only handheld that's still supported
steady otter
I'd play on my GB if I could remember where I put it
steady otter
but switch is the only handheld that's still supported
weeeeeelllll
cinder badger
||mobile phones are also good for some games||
steady otter
technically vita was getting games
steady otter
I said technically
steady otter
don't kill it until it's dead
fathom juniper
it was a solid handheld - a really impressive piece of tech
sleek quiver
||mobile phones are also good for some games||
Too convoluted with quick cash grabs, much more than the Switch is now
fathom juniper
and then sony screwed the pooch really hard
steady otter
ye, I like my psp more then my vita
fathom juniper
with vita, i mean
steady otter
but my psp is flaking and that's sad
worldly cobalt
Just get google stadia and play on your smart phone lul
steady otter
can still play birth by sleep with no issue tho
sleek quiver
I’d always like to think that mobile is the future of gaming, but apparently it’s just not going to happen any atm
fathom juniper
i thought that around 2009 when i experienced this deluge of great ports from DS and new games
back when microtransactions weren't a thing on mobile
sleek quiver
Mobile is perfect, it has the ecosystem, it has a great userbase, you just need exposure
fathom juniper
i was actually excited to see where mobiles could go
steady otter
you have to always keep your screen uncracked
and it's harder to do with phone then w handheld
worldly cobalt
I don't like playing mobile phone, Idk.
sleek quiver
Too bad, mobile gaming got too convoluted before it even got off the ground
fathom juniper
but then...
it all quickly devolved into this disgusting, putrid pile of greed and scams aimed at uneducated users with deep pockets
steady otter
it feels wrong using my hands like that
fathom juniper
Too bad, mobile gaming got too convoluted before it even got off the ground
yup
steady otter
about the only games I enjoy on phone are point&click mystery games, some rhythm games & mindless adhd time consumers
cinder badger
botw 2 🥺
worldly cobalt
Most mobile games now are very much gacha games, searching for whales who they can make money of etc.
fathom juniper
yeah
steady otter
like little alchemy & ring jump
fathom juniper
and i don't think like that's gonna change anytime soon
bleak coral
splatoon 3, botw 2, sinnoh remakes gameplay, a smash reveal
steady otter
I like those
worldly cobalt
metroid prime 4 someone?
bleak coral
doubt
worldly cobalt
same 😦
bleak coral
thats in development hell
worldly cobalt
yeah, unfortunate
bleak coral
theyre still hiring boss creators
sleek quiver
and i don't think like that's gonna change anytime soon
Yeah, pretty much
steady otter
anything else major?
more legends?
steady otter
they got a date now after all
worldly cobalt
honestly, I'd say don't hype yourself up too much
bleak coral
theres gonna be some third party bs no one cares about
worldly cobalt
didn't go well the last few directs
steady otter
I'm not hyped at all
bleak coral
honestly, I'd say don't hype yourself up too much
For sure, im so ready to be dissapointed
steady otter
I didn't even know there was gonna be a direct today until now
worldly cobalt
ye same xD
bleak coral
but I think the direct earlier this year was cool
steady otter
but I loved the last directs
worldly cobalt
I think they are always fine
steady otter
maybe it's cuz I don't have any hopes or expectations going in
worldly cobalt
there are just a lot of toxic fans unfortunatly
bleak coral
2019 E3 was stacked as hell
steady otter
that's hardware not software tho
bleak coral
they're still gonna talk about it
bleak coral
just ports
sleek quiver
I’d settle for NSO for GBA
bleak coral
Bring ranger back
steady otter
sleek quiver
The real retro games that I want to play are GBA games
steady otter
not GB?
bleak coral
I still stand by Nintendo being one of the most fun companies to speculate about
maybe thats because Smash exists
steady otter
I'd love to get ducktales
sleek quiver
GB is fine
bleak coral
OH WAIT
sleek quiver
But my nostalgia is more for GBA though 
steady otter
but it was so cool playing scrooge & having the theme song as bgm
steady otter
my childhood was all GB & then GBA
I played on my brothers old GB first & then I got a purple GBC with a carry case that was bright yellow & purple w pikachu for it
well, carry bag
I played Pokemon Blue & then Gold & Tetris & paperboy & ducktales & this german game that was about a blue bear sea captain
I MISS MY CHILDHOOD
oh and I had TMNT
I was bad at TMNT
I'm still bad at TMNT
worldly cobalt
I played Pokemon Blue & then Gold & Tetris & paperboy & ducktales & this german ...
You mean "Käpt'n Blaubär?"
steady otter
YES
I lost that game years ago and I’m so sad cuz it was so fun
Same w paperboy - no idea where it is anymore
worldly cobalt
A friend of mine had it, I don't remember playing it tho
steady otter
steady otter
A friend of mine had it, I don't remember playing it tho
It’s a fun puzzle game
I didn’t understand much since I didn’t know German, but I LOVED IT
sleek quiver
Shapir-Edition? What country is this from?
steady otter
Also it’s so bad that I can just look at these games & hear the bgm playing in my head
steady otter
Shapir-Edition? What country is this from?
Saphir*
Germany
sleek quiver
It doesn’t say Sapphire edition?
steady otter
It’s German
sleek quiver
Ohh
steady otter
It’s says sapphire in German
I learned that whole gen in the wrong language
Still love the game
Still play it to this day
In German
I understand it a bit better now too 
sleek quiver
How many versions of the game is there for EU? Is Saphir only for German?
worldly cobalt
English Pokemon-Names are still so difficult to me, it's crazy
steady otter
English Pokemon-Names are still so difficult to me, it's crazy
I understand you
steady otter
I know how it feels after that game
I had Mudkip only mudkip wasn’t mudkip he was Hydropi
sleek quiver
lusty pendant
me starting Hades in chinese because my mom wanted to see it be like
what are these ENGLISH boon names I do not comprehend
steady otter
worldly cobalt
haha
steady otter
I had a couple german games growing up cuz we went on frequent trips to germany & games were cheaper
lusty pendant
Where did you live then
steady otter
How many versions of the game is there for EU? Is Saphir only for German?
and there's 5 or 6?
steady otter
Where did you live then
Norway
lusty pendant
oh cool
steady otter
How many versions of the game is there for EU? Is Saphir only for German?
there's German Saphir/Rubin, Italian Zaffiro/Rubino, Portugese Safira/Rubi, Spanish Zafiro/Rubí, French Saphir/Rubis & the english UK versions?
or american?
idk, there's an english edition at least
sleek quiver
That is a lot, ngl
Trying to gauge interest in each of those versions is going to be something
steady otter
well, there's a lot of countries & langauges in Europe..
so it's a matter of y'know
sleek quiver
I don’t think the games have language selection back then
sleek quiver
Yeah, and you have to know how much you need to manufacture and all that
steady otter
usually that's be france, belgium, switzerland
there was also a french canadian edition
for canada
prolly some more eu countries but I know for sure those speak french
sleek quiver
Today it’s a lot easier because nowadays we have CDs and higher storage for game CDs
sleek quiver
Well, I’m not saying it’s bad, but game localization is definitely not easy
steady otter
and since the games are mainly for kids it's nice for them to be able to understand
speaking of pokemon there
sleek quiver
Voice acting has always been a challenge for big game releases
steady otter
I know everyone plays them, but the gameplay is still mainly kids
good thing pokemon didn't have any then
only the pokemon sounds
and they weren't really very human sounding
sleek quiver
Yeah, it probably was not that hard then for older games
dire condor
va isnt rly an issue as long as theres subtitles I think
steady otter
exactly
depends on the subtitle language ofc
my nephew still can't read english & is just starting to read norwegian so he still needs some help with some of the game stuff when he plays botw & age of calamity
sleek quiver
VA gets less impactful if people instead had to rely on subtitles
dire condor
hmmm I play with subs a lot
dire condor
yeah movies are the same
steady otter
not everyone knows english/chinese/korean/norwegian/french/insert-language-here
and so they use subs
sleek quiver
So, it’s a toss up of getting good VA for the language you’re trying to localize into, or just getting subtitles in and some things gets lost in translation
dire condor
unless you live in germany bc they dub everything here
dire condor
lol
steady otter
you thought normal twilight was cringe - try german twilight
worldly cobalt
tip: don't
steady otter
that's how it is when we chat here too though
not all of us are native english speakers
dire condor
good translations usually make it for it by using different proverbs and references ect
steady otter
so ofc things get lost in translation when we chat
there's jokes I want to make that I can't because they literally make no sense unless they're in norwegian
sleek quiver
That’s why I said it’s not easy to do localization
steady otter
no one said it was easy
but it also doesn't mean that things are less impactful
some things don't need words
sleek quiver
And I’m not complaining though, just trying to appreciate the work done into it
worldly cobalt
fun fact: because germany does dub everything, every movie gets dubbed over in a studio, whereas in the (often english) original release, the sound comes from what is spoken on the set itself. That is why many germans consider the original version to be inferior in sound quality
steady otter
wraith cradle
I'm contractually obligated to tell you I'm not responsible for any lost days spend on a TVtropes binge
Watch at your own peril
sleek quiver
To be fair, I like dubs when a) it syncs with the lips, and b) the meaning of things, emotions and everything in between doesn’t get lost in translation
dire condor
they usually do a good job for movies, videogames I've seen a lot of bad dubs tho
more like heard
steady otter
I'm contractually obligated to tell you I'm not responsible for any lost days sp...
you say this like I haven't already spent months on TVtropes before
wraith cradle
Dubs also have the problem that they make look like there are only 20 VA in the industry
sleek quiver
Meaning of language is easier to do, but for lip syncs, devs usually have to simulate lip movements from the get go when the game cutscene is first made, so that it goes well into any localization they wish to make in the future
And that is crazy
wraith cradle
Here we have a new brand AAA game. Starring:
- Troy Baker as the tough guy protagonist with a Darker Past
- Laura Bailey as the foul mouthed coprotagonist which a quip for every ocassion
- Steve Blum as the Big guy
- D.C Douglas as the megalomaniacal bad guy
- Yuri Lowenthal as your favourite sidecharacter you can't remember the name
- Erica Lindbeck as your quirky tag along
Also guest Starring Matt Mercer as Himself (We actually didn't hire him, he just appeared on the set and voiced a few lines in exchange of a coffee)
worldly cobalt
is this just the critical roll cast?
wraith cradle
Dunno, don't watch it
worldly cobalt
You should
But also it's not, that was just a bad joke xd
wraith cradle
I really don't have the time to watch Podcasts lmao
I heard of the Matt Mercer Syndrome, tho
steady otter
didn't podcasts start as something to listen to
wraith cradle
🤔
worldly cobalt
deep
wraith cradle
But yeah my point is that sometimes I feel that hearing the same VAs over and over again makes me lose my suspension of disbelief
Cause I hear the actors not the characters
steady otter
I've grown out of that ages ago
had to
every cartoon/animated movie/series dubbed ever has the exact same VAs here
it's like that joke at the end of Cars
all the roles be the same guy
you just learn to ignore it
wraith cradle
"Don't get me wrong, I love the voice acting in this game. But occasionally we have Chris Metzen congratulating Chris Metzen for slaying Chris Metzen."
— Anpnymous about WoW
worldly cobalt
I don't know, maybe I am just spoiled, because Germany, as already said, has a pretty good localisation-industry, but I also don't find it to be that big a problem.
Also because a lot of my favourite games don't even have VA I think
steady otter
like Mushu is Timon & Mike from Monsters inc
worldly cobalt
grunt
junior crown
Or the good ol' "Bepehebehehpe"
Damn I just realised these sounds are almost indescribable
worldly cobalt
Now imagine having to write subtitles for this
steady otter
it would be fun
worldly cobalt
especially because you can just come up with the wildest things
who is gonna dispute you
you literally just invented the word describing that sound
like "Bepehebehehpe"
steady otter
Bephehebehephe
worldly cobalt
I have literally no idea what that is or how to pronounce it
I don't think that's important tho
wraith cradle
[Indesrcriptible otherwordly noises]
worldly cobalt
that would be subtitles for either a Cthulhu game
or animal crossing
fathom juniper
Here we have a new brand AAA game. Starring:
- Troy Baker as the tough guy prot...
add Nolan North as Random Guard no. 3 and you've got my vision of hell
it's got pointless crafting, it's got brain dead basic stealth, it's got crammed in skill trees, and it's open world for no reason with a bunch of busywork sprinkled on top
bonus points for being set in a postapocaliptic version of modern world where everything is overgrown
it's...
Game: The game: Remastered
preorder now for 69.99 to get your own exclusive The Game can of redbull to not fall asleep
steady otter
you say that title like it's a joke when it could become a reality
polar dragon
Don't do Laura Bailey dirty like that.
steady otter
Blackpinks first full album was simply titled The Album
worldly cobalt
just name the next thing you Publish "The"
What is it? What can it do? No one knows
steady otter
The Game
worldly cobalt
50$ pls
steady otter
The Game: Collectors Edition
fathom juniper
videogames were a mistake... 
worldly cobalt
The Game Two : 2 Retribution
steady otter
I kinda wanna get binding of isaac card game, but I got no one to play with so what's the point 
scenic wigeon
The Game: Collectors Edition
can't wait for Game 2: Gamier
remote marsh
Game 3: Gamiest
scenic wigeon
where the combat is slightly better but the puzzles are worse
steady otter
The Game 4: The Gamer
worldly cobalt
what have we done
steady otter
everything
worldly cobalt
this might be the next SGG game 🤔
scenic wigeon
this might be the next SGG game 🤔
now that's a game I'd game
steady otter
The Game spinoff - The Game Game Simulator
scenic wigeon
but I really suck at RTS' :(
steady otter
I don't like rts
worldly cobalt
If It's from SGG I'll probably like it no matter what genre lol
dire warren
at this point game doesn't sound like a word anymore
worldly cobalt
they can make "Mario's missing" and it would be amazing
scenic wigeon
okay I'm gonna go back and take a nap
fathom juniper
please be a horror game
scenic wigeon
don't game too hard, gamers
steady otter
I'd love for them to do a novel game cuz they do real pretty art & good storytelling
worldly cobalt
pyre
steady otter
no
polar dragon
I want gameplay though
steady otter
wrong novel game
steady otter
think more doki doki, but maybe not full otome?
polar dragon
I understand some of those words
steady otter
that would be interesting
steady otter
I understand some of those words
worldly cobalt
sweet summer child
polar dragon
It's a new day
steady otter
it is?
polar dragon
11:40am but I'm not out of bed so it is
remote marsh
nice
steady otter
ah
polar dragon
What good should I do today
polar dragon
It's a new day somewhere in the world
worldly cobalt
preach
polar dragon
No screw that guy
remote marsh
lmao
worldly cobalt
learn to code
steady otter
cure the world in plague inc with the cure mode
worldly cobalt
works well if you don't like yourself
steady otter
that's gotta count as a good
cuz it's way more fun to kill the world
you could eat an ice cream cuz that tastes good so it automatically counts as a good
fathom juniper
uuuuuuuuuuuughhh
folks, i need some help
what's your go-to videogame soundtrack that gets you pumped?
steady otter
the unseen ones
remote marsh
ye unseen ones is good
fathom juniper
something energetic and loud that gives you energy to work
i mean an entire soundtrack
fathom juniper
a whole thing
i need a pretty long playlist to get through this mess
fathom juniper
Mad World / Anarchy reigns
i haven't thought of that
remote marsh
i always listen to terrarias' music:
fathom juniper
terraria's slow and comfy soundtrack is going to make me go 
steady otter
I'm far more likely to put on just non-video game music
remote marsh
terraria's slow and comfy soundtrack is going to make me go <:PES2_PijamaSleep:6...
ye true
fathom juniper
i need a musical equivalent of slap in the face and two redbulls in my stomach
steady otter
remote marsh
i dont listen to other soundtracks from games
polar dragon
what's your go-to videogame soundtrack that gets you pumped?
HELLMARCH BABY
steady otter
i need a musical equivalent of slap in the face and two redbulls in my stomach
Babymetal - Road of Resistance
it's not games, but it's epic
Babymetal in general is fun
remote marsh
you can listen to doom eternals' ost
bleak coral
Things that are hype?
dire warren
i need a musical equivalent of slap in the face and two redbulls in my stomach
~~i just use pmd's monster house theme for that but that works best with terror of that theme built up over years
i hear the first two notes and i am UP~~
bleak coral
I dont really listen to any osts that are completely energetic at all times
Persona has some good ones
dire warren
i'd second doom, probably, that might work
steady otter
my problem is that really energetic music makes me sleepy
lusty pendant
worldly cobalt
persona 5 OST is amazing. But it's more funk / Jazz
fathom juniper
there's gotta be some new Crypted Chaos or Beneath The Altar or Super gore nest that i don't know of
some game with a banging OST i've never heard
somewhere out there just waiting for me to discover it
fathom juniper
you can listen to doom eternals' ost
played it to death
that's why im asking
polar dragon
Borderlands 2 and Tales from the Borderlands have some sick soundtracks
fathom juniper
i'm looking for some new stuff
remote marsh
oh
worldly cobalt
scourge bringer slaps
worldly cobalt
scourge bringer slaps
Hard
steady otter
np
was first result for youtube search "great game metal ost"
figured maybe someone else had been looking for the same thing as you once upon a time
fathom juniper
also
of course!
a new warhammer game came out yesterday
made by the team behind E.Y.E.
gotta take this OST for a whirl first
steady otter
enjoy
fathom juniper
i mean
it's not gonna make what i'm working on any more enjoyable but 
it might get me through it
this and some coffee
steady otter
I love the world of warhammer - the lore & such, but I've never played any of the games
I just love reading about it
warhammer 40k \0/
blood for the blood god
skulls for the skull throne
fathom juniper
i never really got into the warhammer universe
even though it might look like my thing
i love the aesthetic of it
there's just... so much of it
where do i even start?
where do i go?
what do i do?
steady otter
idk why I love it cuz I'm not into war
or guns
or fighting
or genocide or xenophobia or anything like that
but
I love the chaos
steady otter
i love the aesthetic of it
there's just... so much of it
where do i even start...
with Ciaphas Cain book series
so much fun
polar dragon
I mean kraja
steady otter
"Warhammer Fantasy is basically a grey-and-black dark fantasy setting. Warhammer 40,000 is a black-and-black-hole dark science fantasy setting."
polar dragon
Warhammer is a medieval fantasy world with magic.
Warhammer 40k (40k refers to the year) is a gothic sci fi world with stuff like Space Marines, Imperial Guards, Green Skins (Orcs), Eldars, Tyrannid, etc.
steady otter
it's a wonderful place
worldly cobalt
Are the Humans space Orcs?
steady otter
no
worldly cobalt
shame
steady otter
humans are space marines
worldly cobalt
missed opportunity
steady otter
and humans are veeeery xenophobic
worldly cobalt
The only thing I know is that there is the super god King of humanity or smth?
steady otter
but hey, we got the God Emperor of Mankind
worldly cobalt
A lot of people do
steady otter
maybe I just need the chaos & destruction sometimes - and like I said, I don't even play the games
I just enjoy the lore
worldly cobalt
I might get into it more as well
if only because a friend of mine has a bazillion minis
which still need coloring
steady otter
read Ciaphas Cain
wraith cradle
Warhammer or Warhammer 40k
That's why people usually refers to the former as Warhammer Fantasy
worldly cobalt
I am reading a song of ice and fire rn, but I might pick it up after I'm done :3
worldly cobalt
yes
hidden zephyr
just got a 50€ gift card
worldly cobalt
👍
wraith cradle
Funnily enough I'm just finished with Total War Warhammer II
steady otter
ooh
wraith cradle
Now I'm gonna wait for III
steady otter
I own a couple warhammer games, I just can't play them
wraith cradle
Yeah got burned out
hidden zephyr
what should i buy: moonlighter or dead cells? 🙂
steady otter
maybe I should just watch let's plays of them
worldly cobalt
I am (once again) gonna go and prepare some food now. Have a great day / night / whatever everyone 😄
steady otter
baai
wraith cradle
Already won with Tyrion, Malekith, the dreadfleet and MARKUS WULFHART
steady otter
https://youtu.be/O1CQ7Vwz8Eo
wraith cradle
It kills me the Endless Space 2 shot in the middle
polar dragon
what should i buy: moonlighter or dead cells? 🙂
Not saying you should do this. But if I was you, I would buy one of them, try it for an hour, and refund if I don't like it.
Let's learn about our neighbors like the Christians learned in Rome
Oof
wraith cradle
Endless Space also gave us one of the most hilarious factions in any 4x setting
polar dragon
yeah?
wraith cradle
The Horatio. A guy so narcissistic that he went to space, found an abandoned planet with cloning technology and from there created a planet of beauty where everybody is Horatio
And he plans to spread his beauty for all the world
Cause not being horatio is afate worse than death to him
polar dragon
lol that's good
wraith cradle
TBF he was born deformed so his narcissism was a way to cope with the laughs
polar dragon
have you ever been so narcissistic you developed a purifier hive mind colony
wraith cradle
They even made a Dating simulator where you are an Horatio seducing other Horatios
polar dragon
I honestly love the rogue servitor idea
an ai becoming sentient and decided to "paternalized" its master race
wraith cradle
Yeah, there is even an alternate Earth preset empire
junior crown
I love Endless takes on factions and empires
wraith cradle
Yeah It's quite assymetrical
steady otter
polar dragon
https://tenor.com/view/yoongi-min-yoongi-suga-bts-bangtan-gif-13057682
no, screw that guy
junior crown
No other game allows you to aggressively occupy a solar system by simply being very diplomatic
wraith cradle
With the Lumeris you can outright BUY the galaxy
junior crown
I just love that endless legends and space have these aggressively friendly factions, that can force a friend treaty that you can't refuse.
Oh yeah and can't forget the trading factions of these games
junior crown
"Why make colony ships, when you can just buy the solar system with money."
steady otter
"blank the rules, I've got money!"
polar dragon
wraith cradle
That's literally the Lumeris Playstyle Shadow
steady otter
so they are all YGO abridged Seto Kaibas then
junior crown
also can't forget the "I am war faction" in these series, which unlike some other 4x games are really just war faction since you CAN'T side with them or make a diplomacy deal, just extend the time before they attack
wraith cradle
That and the fact the Cravers deplete the resources of their own planets making them eventually to barely produce FIDS forcing them to aggressively expand or have their civilization to collapse in itself
Same with the Necrophages in Legends which their farming techniques aare so hopelessly innefficient they need to be at war to consume enemies to create Food
junior crown
or Vodyani who have like giant church ships which they drive around the galaxy
hidden zephyr
Guys, i have got the torment of choice. If you had 50€, what game would you buy?
sleek quiver
I will keep it to buy Diablo 2 Resurrected later this year
wraith cradle
I already said it before but Celestian Tales is dirt cheap and I loved it
polar dragon
Also wait for sale
wraith cradle
God, I just remembered DD2 is something that is yet to exist and get sad
polar dragon
Summer sale should be some time in June
junior crown
yeah there is some info on DD2 already
or well screenshots and such
it will be like ROR2 sort of
junior crown
was in PC Gamer article
so here is the link which shows the pages
I love how the comments speculate on possible Death Blow resist status on enemies lol
polar dragon
I dislike that new "normal sized" head
It looks too comical
Everything else is sick
junior crown
yeah I am not used to the characters look for now, as in they changed style quite a bit, but I am sure I will get used to it.
And yeah this stuff rocks by the look of it!
polar dragon
It looks to me that it's gonna be XCOM strategy map with the skull counter acting as the Avatar project countdown.
Combat will still be positional 4 on 4.
A bit more character customization in term of gear.
But I want my big head back, it looks normal to me. The new heads are small as heck.
fathom juniper
this is the moment when i'd rather play video games instead of making them
doing spritework in photoshop is just 
does anyone here know any good tutorials for spritework?
or making textures or whatever
polar dragon
Darkest Dungeon is a roguelite
polar dragon
Or is it 
fathom juniper
no it's not 
polar dragon
Or. Is. It
fathom juniper
No. It's. not. 
hidden zephyr
Me again: did someone play "Slay the Spire"?
rancid token
Yes it's very good
polar dragon
I cam whole heartedly recommend StS
If you like card games, you would love this one.
sleek quiver
Still salty on how the mobile one doesn’t have cross save
So, it’s me unlocking everything all over again
junior crown
oh that does remind me
polar dragon
Minecraft is a roguelite
junior crown
Griftlands is out of Early Access!
polar dragon
Griftlands is a roguelite