If framed in a way it is similar but not exactly
#video-games
dire saffron
rancid token
I forget, like vs lite mostly comes down to incremental progression, right?
polar dragon
I just call everything roguelite nowadays
dire saffron
I forget, like vs lite mostly comes down to incremental progression, right?
Yea it’s a difference of restart file or restart run
Iirc
polar dragon
Square and rectangle.
dire saffron
Yea lol
Game design is cool :3
Hence why I love games and just how they’re made and why I want to go into the industry
There’s a lot of flexibility and interpretation as well as solid application
And genre is one of those
also I’ve discovered that my game design knowledge is mostly from shower thoughts, games I’ve played, and only a bit of the class I’ve been taking lol
||sgg please hire me once I’m out of school it’d be sick lol||
polar dragon
SGG becomes a AAA studio and hire everyone
Then we make F2P mobile games
Let's go. The future is bright.
dire saffron
Pog I’m in
rancid token
Could be worse, could be utilizing decades-old, storied franchises people are clamoring for new entries to only as fodder for pachinko machines
But what kind of monster company would do that, right
polar dragon
Yearly Hades.
Yearly Pyre 2k
Bastion remake.
Never on sale Transistor.
twin yarrow
When I was young, there were just three game genres: walkie, shootie and puzzle..
First included point and click quests, top-down rpgs and stuff
polar dragon
We should come back to that
twin yarrow
Second - 2d platformers and 3d shooters
dire saffron
First included point and click quests, top-down rpgs and stuff
Wow you’re old huh
twin yarrow
Third - everything else from solitaire to tetris and 3inarow
twin yarrow
No, no he's got a point
polar dragon
Children smh.
twin yarrow
In the year 200X...
dire saffron
I bet you do
No I need to buy it actually
polar dragon
It's free.
dire saffron
Friends keep yelling at me and I want to speedrun it
rancid token
I remember buying Minecraft when it was like 10 bucks before they added survival
twin yarrow
Bedrock edition comes with windows though
dire saffron
Last time I played mc was Xbox360 days
dire saffron
Bedrock edition comes with windows though
Well you see bedrock sucks
twin yarrow
Indeed
It has "some" advantages, that can be easily modded into Java version
If somebody will care enough
twin yarrow
Um
polar dragon
Does this mean I have to buy it again?
twin yarrow
I know two
remote marsh
Wait how many MC editions are there?
java, bedrock, pocket (?), education (?)
dire saffron
and many different versions for each
polar dragon
MC is MC. Why would they change MC?
polar dragon
don't remember
dire saffron
Yea a lot has changed lol
Like major nether and end update, I think caves and cliffs happened or is happening soon
We got lamas
And uuuhhh
Bamboo forests
And lots of other biomes
steady otter
Caves happening soon
We got nether update tho
And the ocean one
And the one w foxes & such
twin yarrow
I really need to review my 1.2.5 mods from the pirated times, to be able to play old map with my friend again
polar dragon
ok i still have it.
twin yarrow
Like back in 2012
It's really really nice they allowed to roll back to previous versions
We had to install the mod for foxes back then.. And horses.. And others
Now its creator works for mojang
steady otter
So does terraria
twin yarrow
Terraria has.. Lots of wiki pages
steady otter
So does Minecraft
twin yarrow
Matter of taste
steady otter
or rather, should I do Terraria instead <:thanthink:669246004142538753>
If you have Minecraft, try out the new updates cuz if you’ve been away a while it can feel like a new game
Then you can always try out terraria
twin yarrow
Same with Terraria
steady otter
Mhmm
twin yarrow
Like, each update almost doubles the content
steady otter
There was the bee & honey Minecraft update too 
worldly cobalt
I'd say MC and terraria are actually pretty different. MC is more about creativity and freedom, where Terraria has a lot of more clear-cut progression and an end goal IMO
both are really great tho
twin yarrow
Shame that Starbound didn't make it
worldly cobalt
ye
steady otter
I personally just don’t like terraria bcuz of the style
I’m not a big fan of sideways
worldly cobalt
Understandable. I think it fits the more combat-focused gameplay, but as with every game, it is a matter of taste :p
polar dragon
Shame that Starbound didn't make it
now that's a name I haven't heard in a while
twin yarrow
It had so much potential
And huge modding possibilities
Probably, worldgen was not good enough
It's still closer to old terraria versions
Also lots of lore retcons, with story updates
worldly cobalt
idk. I followed the development back before the first playable version was even out, and played it a bit when the open beta (I think?) was available, but it just faded into obscurity for me
only ever played the 1.0 version for like, 30 minutes
stable kindle
same experience, i played the early beta bc i bought keys for me and my friends for it, but by the time the game fully released there was just something about it i couldn't quite put my finger on that i didn't really enjoy much, and i never played post 1.0 for more than a few hours
in regards to minecraft/terraria i would also say that combat is more something terraria focuses on than minecraft. at least we are finally past the point of everyone referring to terraria as 2d minecraft lmao because frankly both games are striving to achieve different things. while you can do some pretty sick builds in terraria, it focuses more heavily on progression and combat. i feel like the combat really has to be pointed out, specifically bosses, because the bosses are honestly the focal point of the vanilla game and a good portion of modded content. the most popular content mods often have some pretty wild boss fights
worldly cobalt
Ye exactly. It just lacked a certain amount of polish, which made the game feel kinda clunky in my opinion. Everything felt a bit to slow, to imprecise, too confusing etc.
Might be better now of course. it's just what I remember
stable kindle
exploration in starbound somehow felt less rewarding in launch than it did in earlier builds, or that was my experience anyway
hidden zephyr
can someone recommend me a fun and rewarding action rpg?
polar dragon
in regards to minecraft/terraria i would also say that combat is more something ...
honestly that might sell it for me.
i don't like to wander aimlessly. having a given goal to accomplish is better for me.
also is gamepad terraria a good experience?
worldly cobalt
can someone recommend me a fun and rewarding action rpg?
Dark souls, if you have a certain amount of patience, is one of the best games ever made in my opinion
polar dragon
can someone recommend me a fun and rewarding action rpg?
Have you heard of Geralt of Rivia? Unironically my favourite action RPG.
stable kindle
I've never used gamepad but it's been ported on consoles and people seem to manage it fine
rancid token
Does Yakuza count as an action RPG
stable kindle
ultimately you could say terraria is about some random nobody waking up one day and deciding they're gonna kill god for the hell of it lol there's no story to it or anything so there's no reason you fight bosses other than just because but some of the endgame ones are out there
hidden zephyr
On which platform is it foxhope?
steady otter
I like Skyrim & HZD
worldly cobalt
On which platform is it foxhope?
the witcher 3 is available on most, if not all consoles / platforms. I don't know about the other two games, but three is the best one anyway
polar dragon
On which platform is it foxhope?
It's the Witcher 3 on basically everything.
worldly cobalt
which reminds me that I still have to play the DLC :p
hidden zephyr
Ah k.
steady otter
dark souls is on pc
polar dragon
which reminds me that I still have to play the DLC :p
Blood and Wine is just so good and beautiful.
steady otter
skyrim is on almost anything
hzd is on pc
skyrim is on so many platforms it's a joke by now
polar dragon
Skyrim is available on your nearest Samsung smart fridge, courtesy of your lord Todd.
polar dragon
Why are there so many games nowadays
steady otter
because it's a booming industry
polar dragon
How long until you can judge a person by their Steam library?
steady otter
what's yours look like?
polar dragon
Like how you can judge a person by whether or not they read the books on their shelves
Do you play all of these games you own?
Or are you just a POSER?
steady otter
Like how you can judge a person by whether or not they read the books on their s...
people judge others based on that? 
polar dragon
Fake gamer
worldly cobalt
Well, looks like I am a fake 😦
polar dragon
people judge others based on that? <:Porg_Shocked:700084309351989308>
It's kind of a joke, but yeah, people do that.
steady otter
what if it's inherited books
worldly cobalt
I have 300+ games in my steam library
polar dragon
You don't read cookbooks like a novel?
steady otter
you find a recipe & make it
polar dragon
What a poser
worldly cobalt
you don't?
steady otter
I read 1 cookbook
worldly cobalt
anyone ever just read a dictionary?
polar dragon
I read one whole dictionary
steady otter
cuz it was a kids cookbook with actual fairy tales & stories in it
worldly cobalt
eyy
steady otter
that's not a lot of games
worldly cobalt
this is also gonna spark some controversy lol
steady otter
I haven't finished any of my games
stable kindle
friend of mine gifted me aragami a few years back and i have yet to get to it
steady otter
the currently installed ones are
stardew valley - not gonna finish cuz it gets so boring after a while
Hades - and I play it on switch so it might get finished if I can sync up everything at some point
plague inc - ye, mega brutal is just what it sounds like
binding of isaac - so many secrets & I mostly play on switch & there's no cross saves
polar dragon
friend of mine gifted me aragami a few years back and i have yet to get to it
I got it two days ago. It gives me motion sickness and there are many hidden power ups which seems needed for the journey (but hidden). I'll probably wiki it to get everything. Otherwise, it's ok.
polar dragon
Is there like an undangerous game on Steam?
Don't Starve Together?
steady otter
for games I used to have installed I can't even finish them because Catalina means I can't even play them anymore 
worldly cobalt
Steam has thousands of games from many different genres and catering to many different people. Stardew valley is itself also available on steam. So yes, there are many games like that. Are you looking for anything specific?
polar dragon
for games I used to have installed I can't even finish them because *Catalina* m...
huh. oh Catalina as in the OS.
steady otter
mhmm
polar dragon
Just buy a PC 4head.
steady otter
no moneys
polar dragon
rob a bank
worldly cobalt
sad
steady otter
and I have a pc but that one is slower then the mac
it makes isaac lag
Isaac
without any upgrades
stable kindle
woof..
polar dragon
rob a bank
worldly cobalt
I played the original flash isaac back in the day
that was also the most my computer could handle back then
Also i still have to play repentance way more
steady otter
I got so many games I'll never play
polar dragon
I feel like I was Stockholm Syndrome into liking Isaac.
steady otter
Also i still have to play repentance way more
I wanna plaaaay
I only got to play a little on potato pc
hidden zephyr
@worldly cobalt i would love to play a acton rpg - but with nice (cute, for the lack of a better word) graphics.
steady otter
I need it to get on switch
hidden zephyr
not some brutal stuff like dark souls
polar dragon
steady otter
<@389043955830095873> i would love to play a acton rpg - but with nice (cute, fo...
I'm so sad you want on steam cuz I know a perfect game but it's on 3ds/switch 
Rune Factory 4/special
if you liked stardew valley you'd prolly love RF4 
polar dragon
<@389043955830095873> i would love to play a acton rpg - but with nice (cute, fo...
do you care about perspective at all?
2D side scrolling? FPP? Isometric?
hidden zephyr
Hmm good question
i prefer isometric (like hades?)
i had much fun in the mines in stardew valley
hidden zephyr
moonlighter looks great
worldly cobalt
I never played Moonlighter, but I think that'd be a great fit from what I've heard
hidden zephyr
what is R F 4?
steady otter
Rune Factory 4, but it's only 3ds/switch
hidden zephyr
ah ok
steady otter
if you liked stardew valley
hidden zephyr
i have a 3ds 🙂
steady otter
you'd prolly love it
bcuz it's like
it's cuter graphics, with farming, dating, interactions, story, monster taming & dungeon crawling
where you can do whatever you want in a day
you can ignore the farming & just go fight monsters if you want
or ignore the monsters for ages & just farm & talk with people in the game
hidden zephyr
i have fire emblem awakening. did you play this?
polar dragon
you can even ignore everything and not play the game
worldly cobalt
I also never played them, but maybe some games of the "Tales of..." Series? Like Tales of Berseria etc... but I don't know how much they'd fit
hidden zephyr
ok bye i have to go, thx for the suggestions. i think i will look into Moonlighter. 🙂
worldly cobalt
Have a good Day / night / whatever 😄
steady otter
I have moonlighter & I've never opened it
worldly cobalt
I wanna plaaaay
It's great, I just haven gotten around to playing it a lot yet
steady otter
it's just sitting there on my switch
polar dragon
Repentance is good. And I'm not even touching the alt floors yet.
steady otter
polar dragon
Though the game has significantly more burrowing enemies now.
Which is a bad thing imo. No one like those things spawning right on top of you.
worldly cobalt
ye true. But Isaac always had a lot of annoying stuff. Some got removed in repentance, some got added
scenic wigeon
wait what's Repentance
worldly cobalt
It's the newest DLC for Binding of Isaac: Rebirth
scenic wigeon
when did it come out?
worldly cobalt
April I think?
scenic wigeon
oh nice
polar dragon
(noun) the action of repenting; sincere regret or remorse.
scenic wigeon
Isaac wasn't really my thing tbh but I hope you guys enjoy it more than I do
steady otter
and you too BIG SUR!!
polar dragon
April I think?
March 31st, to be exact
worldly cobalt
I'm sorry for you 😢
scenic wigeon
> (noun) the action of repenting; sincere regret or remorse.
ah, yes, thank you
polar dragon
it's never coming to mac & I'm so sad
PCMR?
scenic wigeon
March 31st, to be exact
Mario died and Isaac Repented, what a day
acoustic jacinth
still on mojave for this very reason
polar dragon
can you not use Wine or something?
steady otter
no
cuz CATALINA
some things no longer work
like the whole of Adobe CS6
Catalina ruined everything
dire saffron
Damn shadow I said hi and everything earlier 😔
steady otter
oh, hi
dire saffron
Hi :3
scenic wigeon
hello
wraith cradle
Ey Griftland just came out of EA
remote marsh
wait wrong person
wraith cradle
Anyone played it?
steady otter
remote marsh
im leaving
worldly cobalt
not me
steady otter
bai
worldly cobalt
bye bye :3
Shadow I wish I could help you but I've literally never used MAC for anything xd
steady otter
I've had it since summer 2014 when my pc died & I inherited my moms old mac air
worldly cobalt
I see
there might be some way to setup a virtual machine on MAC
but I wouldn't know how
worldly cobalt
yeah
twin yarrow
probably by a way not approved by appol
steady otter
no I mean
I accidentally deleted it
and I didn't notice until AFTER I'd emptied the paper basket
so
it was gone
twin yarrow
ouch
steady otter
worldly cobalt
quick google search shows that there might be a way to set up a boot assistant, so that you can select between OS on startup
but as I said, I am most definitly not proficient with Mac's so I don't know if that would apply to your Mac air
steady otter
don't think so no, cuz my mac is very old & can't play a lot of games in general
worldly cobalt
big sad
steady otter
quick google search shows that there might be a way to set up a boot assistant, ...
once you install OS you can't go back
it's a very convoluted process
polar dragon
well then, I will just continue enjoying Repentance then muahahaha 
steady otter
well, I just needed something when going away to school - it was a live-in school on the other side of the country
and the next year I went to a graphics design class so mac was just fine then
same the year after that
I didn't play many games on it cuz I had my handhelds + xbox
twin yarrow
as sad and malevolently that may sound, but the most popular instruction of how to play on Mac looks like this:
step 1: get a gaming device
steady otter
steady otter
as sad and malevolently that may sound, but the most popular instruction of how ...
I thought it went something like
Step 1: Don't
worldly cobalt
sounds about right
steady otter
Step 2: get a pc
Step 3: if step 2 can't be achieved, get a gaming device
twin yarrow
actually, i kinda can feel that pain, cuz for a while had to use pretty old and weak linux laptop
worldly cobalt
oh no
twin yarrow
so weak, that linux was the only thing that it could decently handle
but it could run terraria with 20+ fps, so it was okay
polar dragon
I remember my Pentium D desktop with 512MB of RAM, and a whooping 12GB Hard Drive
Now I have more RAM than that Hard Drive lmao
worldly cobalt
I remember when my father bought a new GPU so we could play roller coaster tycoon 3
twin yarrow
and somehow, that was enough
now 500Gb is not enough for at least 10 games
(looks at ps4)
worldly cobalt
It depends. There are some (mainly indie) games that are surprisingly small. I recently downloaded Deep rock Galactic, and it's like, 2 GB
fathom juniper
I remember my Pentium D desktop with 512MB of RAM, and a whooping 12GB Hard Driv...
i still remember my first second hand pc i had
some sort of old pentium with 333mhz and 10 gigs hard drive that shot sparks at me every now and then cause i somehow lost the side panels for that old beige case
it needed like 10 minutes to get going
but hey - at least it ran OpFor
polar dragon
OpFor?
steady otter
I miss my old games
fathom juniper
i had those old ps/2 ports
polar dragon
I remember being so angry one day I kicked the middle white part open.
steady otter
I'm so sad I can't play my old pc games anymore
polar dragon
Old PC games, go
fathom juniper
who said you can't play your old pc games?
steady otter
well, they literally can't run on newer windows
and I have a mac
they are all cd rom
fathom juniper
there's gog, compatibility modes, fan made patches, sourceports or hell - you could even set up a VM
steady otter
these are not those kind of games..
fathom juniper
or just dosbox them
twin yarrow
you could even get an old PC, they shouldn't cost much
fathom juniper
there's always a way
polar dragon
Red Alert 2
Warcraft 3
Cossacks European Wars
Virtual Cop
Road Rash
Unreal Tournament
Alien Shooter
Insaniquarium
Pet Racer
worldly cobalt
has anyone else played a game called frozen fruits when they were young?
polar dragon
I remember modding the heck out of Red Alert 2
steady otter
twin yarrow
dosbox is a neat tool, it can emulate the speed of calculations, to make up for fast modern processors
worldly cobalt
that was my jam
polar dragon
it's a surprise to me how I managed to get through games despite not being able to read, let alone English.
worldly cobalt
ye same
steady otter
I learned english in kindergarten
worldly cobalt
I played chrono trigger when I was like, 10.
I understood nothing
steady otter
and I had 1 fully english game
by the time I was in school I had basic understanding 
twin yarrow
i could play PC games first when i visited my uncle, he was an engineer and had a PC. first among other relatives
steady otter
Payuta was one of my fave games as a kid
twin yarrow
there was no windows, but he had several games, i think, there was some tetris-like things, Sokoban, Supaplex
polar dragon
I played chrono trigger when I was like, 10.
I understood nothing
I played Chrono Trigger when I was like, 24.
I understood everything.
Almost like I finished it two days ago xD
steady otter
another was Kiyeko
twin yarrow
actually
worldly cobalt
xD
twin yarrow
for some people, me including, games was the easiest way to learn english
worldly cobalt
I learned mostly through English YouTube, I'd say
twin yarrow
school course was not bad, but it has given way less than games
worldly cobalt
I watched a lot of AVGN back in the day
polar dragon
for some people, me including, games was the easiest way to learn english
yep. I learned a lot of English through games. my ma always got on my back for playing vidya though.
steady otter
I learned english via kindergarten, but remembered it via travel abroad
twin yarrow
gaming YT was a way for colloquial english, though
steady otter
and by reading books & maybe playing some games I guess
polar dragon
ma, you need to understand, to git gud in vidya you need english to google and read guides.
steady otter
but I didn't really read the text for most games as a kid
polar dragon
practical application, right there.
steady otter
I just skipped over that
twin yarrow
my mom used to read the texts for me, when i was playing old NES games
steady otter
when I was playing games I wanted to play - I didn't need to read
steady otter
my mom left me alone with games
polar dragon
god i wish that was me
steady otter
I got no help from either parent cuz they didn't understand games & were too busy
fathom juniper
bruh
worldly cobalt
I have a huge family, so we mostly played Mario party / kart etc. Not a lot to read there
twin yarrow
my mom also was always busy, but she used free time to spend with me, sometimes even playing
steady otter
by the time I was 6 I knew just what to do to boot up the pc, insert the game I wanted to play, pick the language I wanted & then play it
and the gameboy was always easy to play
just put in game & start up
polar dragon
I have a huge family, so we mostly played Mario party / kart etc. Not a lot to r...
good for you. monopoly was too much for my family to handle.
worldly cobalt
My parents never told me how to install games on pc, so I'd always wait for one of them so they could ignore the license agreements and click "next" for me
scenic wigeon
good for you. monopoly was too much for my family to handle.
same
steady otter
I have a huge family, so we mostly played Mario party / kart etc. Not a lot to r...
my family is 2 accountant parents & a brother thats 13/14 years older
scenic wigeon
Monopoly is really ding dang long
remote marsh
Monopoly is really ding dang long
yeah
worldly cobalt
I have a lot of siblings, older and younger, so we'd always find a way to entertain ourselves
steady otter
My parents never told me how to install games on pc, so I'd always wait for one ...
I figured it out eventually by just watching them do it
twin yarrow
and a good way to sow the seeds of discord among the family
fathom juniper
I have a huge family, so we mostly played Mario party / kart etc. Not a lot to r...
well
the first two PC games my uncle ever let me play were...
the first resident evil and the first diablo
i was 6 at the time
worldly cobalt
I figured it out eventually by just watching them do it
I am not a smart person
fathom juniper
and he was supposed to be the responsible one back then
scenic wigeon
well
the first two PC games my uncle ever let me play were...
the first resident...
wow, Resident Evil?
steady otter
I used to watch my brother play military games
fathom juniper
resident evil?
steady otter
all tactical & shooting & stuff
fathom juniper
that's the lesser of two evils
scenic wigeon
your Uncle is a terrible Uncle
/j
fathom juniper
you guys don't remember diablo 1 ?
steady otter
it was ok so long as I didn't speak
polar dragon
I was dead scare of horror games or games with gore in them.
polar dragon
Warcraft 2 Orc campaign was a nightmare for me lmao
fathom juniper
well - diablo 1 to this day has some of the nastiest, disgusting and downright cruel stuff in it
like - the stuff that i don't even want to describe here unless i want to get banned
steady otter
I was.. 1 y/o when diablo came out
stable kindle
ah fond memories of coming home from grade school and sitting on warcraft 2 after homework
fathom juniper
it wasn't in the gameplay, mind you
it was all just details on the levels
stable kindle
i almost got suspended from school once bc of warcraft actually
fathom juniper
seriously - look it up
diablo 1 has sprites of completely mutilated, headless naked corpses just... splattered against some of the nastiest medieval torture devices known to man
and that's just the background details
man - my childhood was awesome 
jk
polar dragon
i almost got suspended from school once bc of warcraft actually
worth?
remote marsh
seriously - look it up
diablo 1 has sprites of completely mutilated, headless na...
perfect game for a 6 yr old
fathom juniper
hell yeah 
polar dragon
I always have the urge to play old childhood games
then quit 15 mins in because I can't stand the control anymore
fathom juniper
and from that point on i went on to explore classic FPSs
shareware doom, HL1 and opfor, later serious sam TFE an TSE and so on
worldly cobalt
I do still enjoy a lot of the Snes era games. Super Metroid, Mario World, Link to the past etc.
polar dragon
I wanna play PAYUTA
i think you can get a $20 old used computer from ebay
fathom juniper
i guess this is why i like horror games so much nowadays and why barely any of them even phase me
polar dragon
and use that instead
stable kindle
worth?
my parents got called in bc they confiscated a note i wrote a friend that had a traced orc drawing. it was recess roleplay stuff. the principal thought it was gang recruitment. we were like literal 9 year olds
remote marsh
lmao
polar dragon
the principal thought it was gang recruitment.
of course, the logical conclusion.
remote marsh
those damn kids
worldly cobalt
y'all didn't join the orcs?
stable kindle
this child is clearly in a gang
polar dragon
kids and gangs, name a more iconic duo
worldly cobalt
I remember just straight-up walking home one day during recess because I wanted to play Mario kart for GC. Unfortunately, one of my brothers caught me.
stable kindle
when pokemon red came out like a year later one night i was doodling the charizard off the cover of the guide book i had and my dad joked about not writing more notes to friends
steady otter
humans are space orcs tho
polar dragon
how?
worldly cobalt
deep
steady otter
omg you don't know
polar dragon
nope
steady otter
there, now you can go see
worldly cobalt
(Ye I know, I wrong channeld the "wrong channel". I even wrong servered the "wrong channel". already deleted though xD)
steady otter
worldly cobalt
I've gotta go now and get some food though. You all have a wonderful day you beautiful people 😄
polar dragon
come again
worldly cobalt
I will 🙂
twin yarrow
u too
polar dragon
i'ma make some food and listen to whatever humans are space orcs thing
steady otter
twin yarrow
that reminds me, untill some age i was sure that orcs are supposed to have boar snouts
like in Heroes of M&M~~'S~~ II
twin yarrow
or warcraft orcs, that were stolen from WH, which were stolen from Tolkien, which were stolen from european fairytales
orcs predate space exploration. fact.
steady otter
hehehheh
fathom juniper
man...
now i got super nostalgic and i'm listening to this
https://youtu.be/S5MnLtAix4M?t=1187
blizzard doesn't have the spine anymore to even get anywhere close this heavy style d1 and d2 had
steady otter
"Orc is derived from the Latin Orcus which was another word for the Roman-Greek god Pluto / Hades who ruled over the underworld and the dead, and can be compared in the biblical sense to demons and the like."
Hades
is an Orc
the OG Orc
fathom juniper
i mean - he's got the right attitude already
and the body type
just paint him shrek green and boom
warcraft 3 orc
yo i really wanna replay this game again
with the HD mod
which might just be one of the best mods this whole series has ever seen
like - if anyone here wants to give diablo 1 a shot - go for the HD mod
not only it adds support for modern resolutions without changing any assets (which is super important in this case), it also adds quality of life imprevements like better UI controls, mouse wheel support for zooming in and out, personal loot chests from diablo 2 and - this is the best thing - it brings back cut content and greatly expands on the whole experience
twin yarrow
is there the cow level?
fathom juniper
that butcher cutscene before his bossfight that was cut for being too violent? yup - it's here
along with a whole level dedicated just to his bossfight (instead of one square room)
andariel from d2? yup - she was supposed to be in d1 before being cut - she's back
there's a bunch of new sidequests and even a whole new zone never seen before in the vanilla game
fathom juniper
is there the cow level?
funneh
there's one in diablo 2 ||where it belongs||
wraith cradle
I always found the orcs in Warcraft funny
Those one in wow have a screwed up spine
fathom juniper
don't worry
their tencent overlords have them stored somewhere in their golden vault
twin yarrow
@remote marsh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gex_(video_game)
remote marsh
nice
rustic falcon
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1180660/Tell_Me_Why/
free to keep as long as you claim it during this month :D
junior crown
3 chapters for free.
junior crown
yeah the good ol confusing "1 chapter is always free" for LiS stuff and stuff alike.
fathom juniper
confusing? 
i mean...
that's literally how the shareware model worked in the nineties and earlier
you get 1/3rd of the game for free and then just pay up for the rest
eh - whatever
it's still a nice gesture to offer this one episode for free
especially for a relatively new game like this one
bleak coral
FF7 Remake is a good game
fathom juniper
well - there you go
here's another example of a 1/3rd of a game...
...sold for $60
seriously tho - how did square enix get away with this with little to no criticism is beyond me
wraith cradle
So I guess this game is a deal shorter than LiS. Right?
If it is then I'll binge it in the weekend
fathom juniper
considering dontnod's previous games i'd say this free episode is around...
3 hours, give or take
rustic falcon
the entire game is for free right now
all three episodes
the banner art just promotes the free first episode because thats what is usually free
fathom juniper
but the description on the steam store page says that chapter 1 is free
ey?
what's going on here?
rustic falcon
because that is what is usually for free, but now the entire game (all three episodes) are on giveaway. you just need to press "add to account" to get them all
fathom juniper
oh yeah i see that now
it's on the community hub
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1180660/view/2997688104043123612
still - they could update their store page to reflect that 
bleak coral
seriously tho - how did square enix get away with this with little to no critici...
Its still a 40 hour game
the original ff7 was 3 discs, sure you got them all at once but still
they "got away with it" because the game they released is good
polar dragon
I need to wait 30 mins for food to be ready
ugh
can i play vidya to forget about how hungry i am
ya watch your damn language lyte
fathom juniper
theres too much to put into ff7 for one game
well they somehow managed to do it as far back as 1997 
bleak coral
things change I guess
I didnt consider it like they were robbing anyone of their time and money
the product was released and it was good
it doesnt need to be the whole thing yet, they gotta do an open world experience now
fathom juniper
so where does the story in remake end?
bleak coral
too much stuff and the game wont come out for a decade
Right before the party leaves Midgar
fathom juniper
so...
it's not the full story yet
and yet they sold this game for full price
fathom juniper
imagine if capcom did the same with the resitent evil 2 remake and shipped only the police station for 60$
and then made us wait... god knows how long for the next two major zones
bleak coral
But what if they made the police station with a crazy amount of depth?
and 40 hours of content?
fathom juniper
while we're not even sure if we're be able to play the rest of the game on the same console we bought the first 1/3rd for
same deal
1 - there is actually more depth to that police station when compared to the OG game (which i still like btw)
2 - there is actually more content that takes longer to complete when compared to the OG
wraith cradle
I mean what's the difference between a videogame and a book?
I didn't buy Game of thrones expecting to get the full plot of the series on it.
FFVIIR has a third part arc based on a smaller arc of it's original
fathom juniper
nah - square enix totally got away with it and it's not the first instance of their anti-consumer tactics
well there's a difference
because in this case...
this plot already exists
the full game it's based on already exists
steady otter
so
polar dragon
a novel doesn't cost $60+ and then ask you to pay another $30 for the whole experience.
fathom juniper
exactly
steady otter
you didn't buy dvds or so when they came out
because the novel already existed in full
fathom juniper
and then probably wants you to buy a new console
ps5 is already here, ps4 is getting older by the day
steady otter
they split it in 2 because it was too much for 1 movie
fathom juniper
and i doubt that people who bought this first part of the remake will be able to play p2 and 3 on that aging console
better pay up for that ps5!
polar dragon
I dream a dream
A dream that one day everything will be cross platforms and exclusives are a thing of the past
bleak coral
okay lets be real though, if you were an ff7 fan you were absolutely getting a ps5 anyway
fathom juniper
bleak coral
that doesnt make a difference
fathom juniper
hell no
polar dragon
not if im too poor for consoles
bleak coral
Eventually
steady otter
I dream a dream that one day you can play anything regardless of how old it's supposed to be
you can just put it in & it'll run
wraith cradle
Exclusives are going always to exist
rancid token
The idea that FF7R isn't a full game is wild to me
polar dragon
Exclusives need to exist
I dream a dream that this comment is wrong.
fathom juniper
^
bleak coral
I dream a dream that this comment is wrong.
Exclusives give us a reason to buy products and competition, which in turn fuels better products
wraith cradle
If everything was cross-platform the quality would be the one adapted to the worse console
bleak coral
it makes it obnoxious on our end but we get sick games when companies want our attention
rancid token
I'd like a reason to buy a console that actually involves the merits of the console
steady otter
is it bad that I like exclusives becuase I enjoy having multiple consoles as too much stuff in one place overwhelmes me & makes me not wanna use it ever again
too many choices in one place
fathom juniper
Exclusives give us a reason to buy products and competition, which in turn fuels...
how about - and hear me out here...
how about buying a product...
for the quality of said product?
instead on vapid promises of games that may or may not come out in the next decade?
of which quality we can't even be sure of
steady otter
stresses me out >.<
fathom juniper
i know it's a wild idea
scenic wigeon
Exclusives give us a reason to buy products and competition, which in turn fuels...
this
fathom juniper
again - why would i buy a ps5 based on promises that some cool exclusives might come out in god knows how long?
scenic wigeon
it stings, though
I really want to play some PS exclusives but I own no PS consoles
fathom juniper
exactly
bleak coral
agree to disagree I guess
steady otter
why not buy it because of games that are already out on it?
bleak coral
¯_(ツ)_/¯
fathom juniper
what games?
wraith cradle
Anyhow there are projects to bring the games to pc
steady otter
you don't have to buy based on "might be"
fathom juniper
oh yeah - the games that are mostly cross platform and ONE REMAKE of a 12 years old game?
yeah sure
wraith cradle
Like days gone
fathom juniper
but hey - TLOU3 might be cool
might
if it comes out
steady otter
what games?
how would I know?!?
I'm not interested in the ps5 cuz it's sold out everywhere
scenic wigeon
oh yeah - the games that are mostly cross platform and ONE REMAKE of a 12 years ...
uh, what?
lusty pendant
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802615525141643265/849329881896714260/May...
WC3 was such a great game, and then it got demaked
scenic wigeon
what's the remake gotta do with anything
steady otter
it was just a comment on consoles in general
polar dragon
Exclusives give us a reason to buy products and competition, which in turn fuels...
they can also compete in other forms, such as function, especially functions.
example: switch is "switchy." no one buys a PS5 for the go. no one buys a switch expecting 4k or 1080p 60 fps.
there are room for market differentiation that does not involve exclusives.
fathom juniper
what's the remake gotta do with anything
it's a sony exclusive
and this whole convo started with us talking about remakes
scroll up
scenic wigeon
they can also compete in other forms, such as function, especially functions.
ex...
yeah that
polar dragon
also people used to buy ps3 for the bluray player
polar dragon
but ill concede that platform exclusives is just a very easy way to achieve market differentiation.
fathom juniper
they can also compete in other forms, such as function, especially functions.
ex...
exactly - this is what i said earlier
polar dragon
and company like easy
steady otter
exactly - this is what i said earlier
that's what you said???
scenic wigeon
it's a sony exclusive
and this whole convo started with us talking about remake...
no I meant like, why does it being a remake change anything
I thought that DS was on the better side of remakes
steady otter
remakes are fun
fathom juniper
because the only difference this remake has is it's looks
it tells the same story and the gameplay was ported so faithfully (even including the bugs) that...
well - presentation is the only thing that changed there
scenic wigeon
because the only difference this remake has is it's looks
it tells the same stor...
true
on the subject of the story though if it ain't broke
the gameplay I got nothing for
polar dragon
I don't want remake, i want remastered. old games with modern features and especially controls
that's it
scenic wigeon
I don't want remake, i want remastered. old games with modern features and espec...
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
polar dragon
slap on HD texture, better control, save state, same gameplay.
scenic wigeon
pretty much remakes are that
fathom juniper
no
polar dragon
isn't remake are that but more, more like a re-imagined rather than re-doing
fathom juniper
"remake" as in - a game remade from scratch
steady otter
I loved the RF4 special switch remake cuz it added some quality of life additions & a newlywed mode~
it was still basically the exact same game, but now it was easier to do events & such 
scenic wigeon
eh, true
fathom juniper
a remaster is just a tiny coat of fresh paint - mostly coming from a new hardware it's running on
polar dragon
i mean the definition is also armophous. sometime company make a remastered and call it a remake
scenic wigeon
I think that remakes have their place, though
most people wouldn't have played RE2 if not for the remake because T A N K C O N T R O L S
polar dragon
or just make it even more confusing by calling it "reforge"
scenic wigeon
i mean the definition is also armophous. sometime company make a remastered and ...
yeah...
polar dragon
looking at you wc3
fathom juniper
OH YEAH here we go
gimme that "tank controls bad"
haven't heard that in a long time
scenic wigeon
I've heard that WC3R isn't even good
scenic wigeon
gimme that "tank controls bad"
haven't heard that in a long time
oh let me state
I don't think they're bad
I played RE1MAKE and I had a grand ol' time
but gamers today don't have those tastes
fathom juniper
yeah
polar dragon
I've heard that WC3R isn't even good
it's ... fine. just overpromised and scummy TOS tactics. the gameplay itself is still wc3, hard to screw that up.
people raged about the missing cutscenes and the TOS regarding wc3r
otherwise, wc3 is wc3
wraith cradle
Is Nier 1.22 supposed to be a Remaster or Remake? People say remaster but the graphics, music, VA is all new so I dunno why they call it remaster
scenic wigeon
it's ... fine. just overpromised and scummy TOS tactics. the gameplay itself is ...
and now every version of WC3 is reforged
fathom juniper
oh hey @polar dragon - please remind me
can i still buy warcraft 3?
the classic one
i don't see it on blizzards page
or steam
or gog
polar dragon
nope
wraith cradle
Fun fact Square Enix LOST the original Source Code for Kingdom Hearts so what was supposed to be a Remaster had to become a remake for necessity as they rebuilt the game from scratch
fathom juniper
see?
and some people still wonder why i hate blizzard
this is one of the scummiest things i've seen in this industry - and that's telling something
polar dragon
and reforge is the same price classics was before
fathom juniper
am i the only one here that wouldn't trust those corporations with anything even if my life depended on it?
polar dragon
so technically you get more but at the same time, you need to agree to the scummy tos
fathom juniper
why do we all buy in to their 💩 so easily
and why is it so easily accepted
wraith cradle
I just want them to set Taro loose again
polar dragon
the answer is pirate
wraith cradle
See him going mad
fathom juniper
so technically you get *more* but at the same time, you need to agree to the scu...
well yeah but if i don't want to agree to those TOS then pirating is the only thing that's left
scenic wigeon
why do we all buy in to their 💩 so easily
and why is it so easily accepted
I mean not everyone does
look at everyone on the subject of M3DAS
fathom juniper
oh i have my doubts after seeing what was going on in this channel today @scenic wigeon
steady otter
?
scenic wigeon
I uh...
hooooo
can't necessarily comment on most of the qualities of the games you were all talking about
I was pretty much speaking only from word-of-mouth
polar dragon
?
scenic wigeon
but I can assure you some people do criticize more than you say
polar dragon
also i put too much broth in my chicken stew and it's taking forever to reduce
kills me
wraith cradle
I also find quite funny how Nomura for some reason decided to canonize one of most obscure spinoffs of Final Fantasy on the remake
fathom juniper
but I can assure you some people do criticize more than you say
yeah i know...
sorry for that
scenic wigeon
I also find quite funny how Nomura for some reason decided to canonize one of mo...
what spinoff
scenic wigeon
sorry for that
nah, you're fine
wraith cradle
scenic wigeon
yeah I hear you sometimes
polar dragon
idk man, i'm living the dream with retro and indie gaming
rustic falcon
please dont evade the swear filter!
scenic wigeon
I'm stuck over here on the flaming Nintendo brigade looking on other, sturdier ships wishing to jump off
polar dragon
easier than ever to play old games. indie games are everywhere with excellent quality
scenic wigeon
easier than ever to play old games. indie games are everywhere with excellent qu...
I'll always have those
fathom juniper
hey remember when square enix put deus ex on hold while pumping piles of cash into making an anime spinoff and a feature length movie of ff15?
you know - the mediocre one?
or how they almost put IOI on ice with that episodic hitman crap?
polar dragon
also, I like to appreciate the fact that gaming APU will soon become more competitive and compelling. which makes gaming even more accesible.
at the risk of sounding highbrow, it's a good time to be an "educated" player. know what you like, know what the industry is like, know what hardware to buy, and you will have a blast.
AAA games be damned, a couple of years down the road, sales make them indie price anyhow
fathom juniper
it's always a good time to be "educated"
don't buy into the hype, be responsible with your spending
don't buy into new consoles based on some vapid promises
wait a bit, enjoy some older games in the meantime
and let the passage of time filter out crap games from ones that are actually worth your time and money
and then buy them for the fraction of the price
steady otter
what about when games don't go on sale
when they don't really get cheaper over time
fathom juniper
name me a game that never went on sale in - let's say - 3 years
steady otter
but instead get phased out of stores & get more expensive online
because suddenly you have to import from other country & pay import taxes!
steady otter
name me a game that never went on sale in - let's say - 3 years
when games go on sale in our stores it's maybe 2$ off
wraith cradle
Aren't almost all games digital now?
wraith cradle
There are barely any pure physical game left
steady otter
I need more physical games cuz I don't have space on the memory anymore
fathom juniper
Aren't almost all games digital now?
yeah i was about to say that
but i get you @steady otter - some games get scrubbed from digital stores every now and then
fathom juniper
well that's a sony problem
polar dragon
what about when games don't go on sale
Option 1: Don't buy Nintendo
Option 2: Buy used
Option 3: 🏴☠️
Option 4: Pray that they port that game to other platforms.
fathom juniper
which leads me back to my older point - don't trust those corporation
steady otter
Option 1: Don't buy Nintendo
Option 2: Buy used
Option 3: 🏴☠️
Option 4: Pray ...
it's not just nintendo
but speaking of nintendo
and old games
fathom juniper
when they can make your hardware borderline useless at a whim
steady otter
that I now want
one of them you can basically only get physical now & bcuz it's old you can really only find copies of it for 100$+ online
so sad
rancid token
Which one?
rancid token
Rip
polar dragon
🏴☠️ ?
steady otter
and some other RF games
steady otter
⛵
that ship sailed some time ago
polar dragon
haha
steady otter
unova
bleak coral
lets gooooo
steady otter
seeing pokemon just makes me wanna get the games sooner tho
I want the cutesy remakes/masters
and I want the new legends game
bleak coral
i hope those games are good
steady otter
early birthday present & late christmas present
I'll love the diamond & pearl ones anyways cuz I love cute stuff & really the only thing that would be better would be platinum
dire warren
ok but
consider
a new pmd would be really, really, good
steady otter
ok, but
consider
I get bored of pmd so quickly
I wanna play them to the end, but it's just so boring after a while
I have time x2 (cuz I thought I had darkness oop) & darkness + the remake/master on switch
I get bored after playing 2-3h 
dire warren
I wanna play them to the end, but it's just so boring after a while
weird bc that's how i am with mainseries
like it's just 'ok kill another 40 of the 3 pokemon on this route then fight the gym leader then rinse and repeat'
bleak coral
ok but
consider
a new pmd would be really, *really*, good
Explorers of Sky HD
steady otter
you don't kill
unless it's nuzlocke
you knock them out
and I've been playing main series since I was 2-3 y/o
so I love collecting them
I don't care too much about the badges or fighting or anything - I just wanna collect all the mons
cuz they cute
dire warren
Explorers of Sky HD
no
boring
already done that
bleak coral
when did they do that?
steady otter
RANGERS
bleak coral
explorers of sky is sick :(
dire warren
when did they do that?
the original, it came out
a while ago
steady otter
where you use the joy con as a capture rod
bleak coral
You mean Rescue Team DX?
dire warren
no
bleak coral
I wanna have a new rangers game
This I can get behind
dire warren
i mean i already played sky, i don't wanna play it again
i want new lore and gen 7 mons
dire warren
gen 8
like, i'd take it but i wouldn't be devastated if we didn't get them
steady otter
dire warren
also i've been trying to sort out the lore for the pmd series and all of the data painstakingly collected basically boils down to 'huge nonsensical mess'
and, idk, more stuff could really help sort out a timeline theory
but most importantly
i just wanna go through dungeons as an incineroar
polar dragon
pmd is a roguelite
dire saffron
pmd is a roguelite
Not this again 😔(I agree tho)
polar dragon
Mystery Dungeon[a] is a series of roguelike video games. Most were developed by Chunsoft (later Spike Chunsoft), and select games were developed by other companies with Chunsoft's permission.
The series has inspired other entries in Japan and has moderate popularity, mostly from crossover entries with the Torneko's Great Adventure series in Japan, the Pokémon Mystery Dungeon series worldwide, and lesser with the Chocobo games based on the creatures from the Final Fantasy series.
Mystery Dungeon is basically Japanese version of Rogue.
This makes Pokemon Mystery Dungeon more rogue-like than Hades or Isaac.
technically
polar dragon
technically
fervent gyro
Just wanted to say, that I started playing Horizon Zero Dawn (6 hours in) and I'm loving it! The gameplay, the story, how it plays, all of it 🙂
mystic wave
im really feeling this game https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2vf-hjVkAMuE7N?format=jpg&name=large
wraith cradle
Is that the Rice one?
mystic wave
yeah
mystic wave
after burning out from farming in harvest moon, didnt think i'd enjoy a farming game again. but Sakuna sure is fun lol
dire condor
Finally was able to get Pokemon explorers of sky because I loved darkness so much, hope to see what new content was added to it
lusty pendant
yayyy
polar dragon
people talk about how CoD has large file size, but XCOM2 released in 2016 has almost 70GB
and XCOM from 2012 has almost 18GB
lusty pendant
Charon's partner pokemon is Kecleon
||Steal from them and perish||
dire condor
I accidentally stole from Kecleon ( I thought he was gifting them to me) and I got smacked in the face with 1000 points of damage
Learn my lesson
hybrid jetty
people talk about how CoD has large file size, but XCOM2 released in 2016 has al...
granted xcom 2 has much higher quality and much more assets
my game size is huge though because of mods lol
polar dragon
long war of the chosen is 2GB
sonic berry
LWOTC adds content by having missions more often and raising the difficulty, right? If it adds modified enemies rather than fully new content it makes sense it wouldn't take much space
polar dragon
I mean given most mods are in the MB range, 2GB are still a lot.
sonic berry
Aha. Didn't know that
Does that mean that the 60 GB size you gave is XCOM 2 without expansions? 
Nowadays it feels like WOTC is a must have, so X2's size would be effectively >60GB
hybrid jetty
WOTC is such a massive improvement to an already very very good game
X2 + WoTC + all the other DLC totals to around 75 gb in my experience
(I don't know if steam is counting mods)
polar dragon
That 75GB figure seems right to me.
lethal drift
do the things
polar dragon
What things
sonic berry
WOTC taking <15 GB while X2 takes 60 is...uh, ayyy?
rancid token
WOTC is impeccable and makes up for the Alien Queens one being hot trash
sonic berry
We can only imagine what it would have been like with a 4th Chosen and that other resistance faction
wraith cradle
FFXV is 155GB if you want 4K
sonic berry
That's quite the fork 
polar dragon
The year is 21XX, Minecraft is now available in 16K with Ray Tracing, Ultra Realistic Water, Quantum Accurate Physics and 2TB package size minus mods.
lethal drift
all the things
fathom juniper
FFXV is 155GB if you want 4K
does it make the game any better?
sleek quiver
Anyone who has played the entire Bioshock game; do I really have to play both the prior Bioshock games before playing Infinite? Or I can just skip?
I’m halfway through Bioshock 1 now but I really want to play Infinite and simp for Elizabeth
fathom juniper
you can just skip bio1 if you want
sleek quiver
Really though, I really wanted to try looking into and analyzing Elizabeth
fathom juniper
there is some stuff in infinite that references bio 1
but at this point - i'd say you know enough
woven breach
you can skip if you want to play bioshock infinite base story, but for its DLC I recommend playing through bioshock 1
woven breach
indeed
sleek quiver
What about Bioshock 2?
sleek quiver
So Bioshock 2 is just a self contained story then?
fathom juniper
bioshock 2 is like...
aaaaaaallllmost not canon at this point
sleek quiver
I read some stuffs and watched some videos, but, really? It’s that disconnected?
fathom juniper
it's an alright game but
bio1 doesn't sequel bait - it is it's own contained story
infinite doesn't reference bio 2 even once so
you can skip it if you want
sleek quiver
Alrighty then
steady otter
Bioshock is so much fun tho
The whole story is just 
Bioshock 2 was fun too - interesting to be on the other side of the walls & all (plus the little sister thing) 
Infinite has cool story, but the setting for most of the game isn’t as interesting imo, but I also just love the ocean so
And the dlcs are fun - though infinite gets the reward for best dlc
fathom juniper
i think the DLCs are the weakest part of infinite
haven't seen this much pandering and fan service since mgs4
steady otter
bioshock 2 is like...
*aaaaaaallllmost* not canon at this point
Why is it almost not canon anymore? 
fathom juniper
and how the whole story bends over backwards to connect all loose threads to bioshock 1 in any way
steady otter
i think the DLCs are the weakest part of infinite
Now
fathom juniper
Why is it *almost* not canon anymore? <:SeignQuestion:738187569036132373>
i explained in literally the next post
steady otter
Do read again my reason for not being too into infinite
And remember where you go in dlc
And why I then might think it’s the better dlc
It’s not actually bcuz of the story it’s just the setting
For me
fathom juniper
oh i know why you might think that 
steady otter
If I go by story then I loved bio 2 dlc more
fathom juniper
i just wish infinite stuck with doing it's own thing instead of trying to for it's dear life to connect itself to bioshock 1
steady otter
Cuz it stands alone
fathom juniper
it's not a numbered sequel
it's got new characters, new universe, different gameplay, different tone
we've had two underwater bioshocks
i think it's fair to expect for infinite to fully commit to it's own, new universe
steady otter
Infinite is the pre-sequel-standalone-odd duck 🦆
steady otter
It’s mostly it’s own thing until the end & the dlc
steady otter
It’s prequel if it’s the dlc
fathom juniper
and then infinite's dlc comes along and is like "yo it was actually elizabeth all along!" and pretends like they planned it all since 2007
like - come on, now
steady otter
The one thing I love about that dlc
Is watching let’s players who are doing blind plays of it
fathom juniper
and they all gobble it up too with a huge grin?
yeah sure whatever
it's been 8 years
the series is dead
steady otter
That whole Oh we’re here again wait WHAT that’s how it happened?
fathom juniper
that's the thing - that is exactly not how it happened
there isn't a single thing in bioshock 1 that even implies that elizabeth was there
and that fontaine was dealing with her
steady otter
I did enjoy seeing rapture before it died though
fathom juniper
none of that
fathom juniper
i see the universe of bioshock as...
dead
and it went out on a pandering, fanservicy whimper
instead of with a bang
steady otter
The bio 1 we play is one of those where Elizabeth doesn’t go back cuz it’s not one of those that bookerstock went back to
So there’s no hint of Elizabeth in that one
fathom juniper
i'd have more respect for ken levine, and the entire series, if it ended with infinite.
full stop
instead of bending over backwards to appease people who wanted even more rapture after two full games fully dedicated to it.
it lacked confidence
steady otter
Then the rapture we have in dlc is another one where they obviously did go back & that’s similar to but not the one we played in in bio 1
sleek quiver
I haven’t played the game up to that point yet, but isn’t that the thing though? Most people only remember Rapture when talking about Bioshock?
fathom juniper
this is my point
sleek quiver
I mean, that’s most of the thing I see people talk about
steady otter
That’s how you talk about them
fathom juniper
infinite does it's own thing... until it doesn't
steady otter
If you talk about bioshock you’re talking about the rapture games unless you mention infinite history
fathom juniper
they tried so hard to distance themselves from that place and then chickened out by the end
so what's the point then?
fathom juniper
here comes the vigors argument
steady otter
I was thinking more handymen
sleek quiver
Anachronistically Rapture? Lmao
fathom juniper
close
fathom juniper
yeah
steady otter
If I remember right
wraith cradle
does it make the game any better?
Dunno
steady otter
I didn’t mean it’s all over infinite in a smack you in the face way
But in an inspirations way
fathom juniper
yeah i know what you mean
i played those games
steady otter
Bcuz they literally in universe got inspired from rapture & stole things
fathom juniper
most of those things are pretty far fetched to justify the gameplay - i'll admit
but...
can't we do new and unique things?
can't we fully commit to fully realizing new ideas anymore?
infinite's universe was new and cool and refreshing
just as rapture was in bio1
steady otter
I’m just not that interested in the whole sky thing I guess
fathom juniper
but then at the end the game goes 180 and is like "lol no it's all about rapture again"