it's kinda of a circlejerk tbh
#video-games
polar dragon
unreal granite
it was criticized more than bloody no mans sky
rancid cove
uh
polar dragon
people hate tlou2 which then creates a reactionary force that claim to love it
rancid cove
nothing will ever be brutalized as badly as sean murray was for NMS
solid nimbus
i was a fan of it way back (i still am, i mean i still find it cool, i still like it, i'm not interested in the post- act 7 stuff tho, for me it ended there, i don't even consider the snapchat stories because i like how poetic the act 7 ending is) so i'm still there just because i was there even before all of this
rancid cove
except like. zoe quinn.
fallen sky
had a feeling that was the case. it does feel like hussie doesn't want to end it
eager hamlet
Ehhh?
unreal granite
i dont even see hate for tlou2 just people criticizing it for not coming close to tlou or even narrative games now
polar dragon
I think TLOU2 itself is a great game. But people like drama (me included).
eager hamlet
Its just that he is ultimately the authority
solid nimbus
does that mean TLoU2 will have a redemption arc
polar dragon
So they jerk and counterjerk
eager hamlet
So if he decided to shut the lid on it, that'd be it
dire condor
the engoodening of NMS
eager hamlet
Like Hussie is a creative madman
unreal granite
tlou was great, tlou2 wouldve been great in the past
polar dragon
the engoodening of NMS
that was a good vid tbh
dire condor
i played it for like 16 hours, wish there was a bit more varied gameplay but I enjoyed it
I kinda got overwhelmed when I got a freighter and never touched the game after that
unreal granite
but there are just way better games that are better in every regard than that overhyped triple-a game
it is a good game - just not for todays standards
dire condor
nms and subnautica kinda fit a similar niche for me
base building and exploration are wayyy better in sbubnautica tho
polar dragon
I just can't get into survival games for some reasons
dire condor
but nms has the [portal 2 core voice] SPAAAAAAAAAAACE factor
unreal granite
somebody really did a nice critics commentary on subnautica
polar dragon
not even the FPS survival ones
unreal granite
i think Joseph Anderson on youtbe
polar dragon
yeah. I mean I have like 120 hours in dont starve together
unreal granite
he worded it nicely
polar dragon
so I really tried to love the genre
eager hamlet
I do enjoy survival games if they have a solid enough presentation and gameplay loop
polar dragon
just not my thing ig
dire condor
subnauticas gameplay loop is great
unreal granite
but it feels lacking
idk why but there is something missing in subnautica even after all this time
dire condor
I can't think of anything to add to it
dire condor
as for progress, I got to the sunbeam's arrival and the deepest I went was the blood kelp zone
can't remember how many hours
unreal granite
such clean
dire condor
I think the reason I stopped playing was that I got frustrated with trying to repair the Aurora
unreal granite
i always forget how clean the game looks
just all these brand new bases and tidy sea floor
dire condor
it's so pretty
unreal granite
but also kinda fake pretty
eager hamlet
I screwed up my underwater base and stopped playing it after that, I think
unreal granite
finally
polar dragon
You know, I always get Subnautica and Abzu confused
dire condor
id imagine abzu is significantly less terrifying
polar dragon
But that base looks good
dire condor
unreal granite
at least there arent too many harmful mobs
dire condor
the most ive been scared was just by a lil stalker
but I have definitely been in absolute terror in that game b4 LOL
like. when I was first testing out the seamoth and I wasn't keeping track of the time
unreal granite
the ambiance is the biggest monster in the game
dire condor
I ended up in pitch black open ocean
super disorienting, and I later learned that I was in the dunes
which is where eight (8) reaper leviathans are
dire condor
shoutouts Reginald
I miss Starbound so much
that game was legit my childhood
or the majority of 2014
it just doesn't hit the same anymore, especially after finding out what was going on w the devs
junior crown
Starbound is great. Great and horrible memories, still a nice sandbox game, spent too much on it.
dire condor
the soundtrack has that same "crushing nostalgia" for me as the minecraft ost
I think $15 for 500 hours is a pretty good deal
junior crown
I actually teared up once in a while having the main menu opened for it, although I easily tear up if the tunes hit the right sound.
dire condor
though my most bang for my buck has indubitably been terraria
oh congrats to Hades for becoming my third most played game https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/383474744097374211/790709233612095529/Screenshot_20201221-163602.jpg
junior crown
Sadly Starbound is my most played game and I am not proud of how many hours are in there. Although it was running so well and easily it was practically always running in the background or left by accident.
dire condor
I was a lil kid playing with friends and having space adventures
on a craptop that could actually run the game pretty well
I can't remember when the vibe died for me
I think it might've been when they added the main story
remember when u had to fight a dragon
junior crown
I played since like from 2013 to 2017 maybe 2018?
and yeah main story wasn't good. I am still somewhat sad they gave up on a lore premise and it became earth cultures.
dire condor
it lost a lot of its charm
idk I've just got so much good memories of alpha/early beta
terraria, on the other hand, has aged incredibly well
I'm still not the biggest on the lunar events, but I'll admit they do have a place
junior crown
It had some good stuff after 1.0 but game definitely lost its initial potential and sort of fun aspect about it. I think Survival was a bit more interesting. I will give them that, the pixel art did improve, but it definitely didn't exactly fix some core issue with Starbound.
dire condor
did u ever yeet yourself down through a platform while dual wielding grappling hooks and die instantly
Starbound grappling hooks slap boisterously
junior crown
That is a mood. Especially the fact how fall damage ended up being the most dangerous thing since armor basically prevented any other type of damage.
And sphere abilities these too were somewhat fun to mess around with.
dire condor
omg the dash
I can hear the exact sound it made in my head rn
going mining on sand planets was so fun
bc you'd make this giant V in the sand and ore would just slide to u
also custom ships mod
I made some bangin custom ship
s
junior crown
I think some of the sounds just stuck around with me too. They are just memorable in some way.
Also yes. I agree. I adore the sand.
And that too! I used to customize ships a lot back in the day and even making from the ground up some locations under the usual ships for fun.
dire condor
the laptop I played on is in the same room as me I'm gonna see if I can find anything
junior crown
I don't even know if I still have something left from that time, since my steam screenshots are gone and I never really made a good way to archive them.
dire condor
found my first ever house lmao https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/328246239160434691/790716417665794069/hylotl_house.PNG
Jan 14 2014
mortal siren
wat dis
dire condor
I was 11 🥺
mortal siren
terraria?
dire condor
Starbound
mortal siren
oh they look a lot similar
junior crown
Oh found like one of the oldest screenshots. Throwback to when I think you couldn't upgrade your ship. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/583419755608801312/790717199815409714/211820_screenshots_2014-12-20_00003.jpg
dire condor
here's one of those aforementioned custom ships https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/328246239160434691/790716398770192394/shokuseiship1.PNG
I had another one I was also proud of but I don't know if I screenshottrd it
junior crown
Okay none of the actual architectural stuff survived just me being impressed with LUA mods or original game
Seems I have to dig up for other stuff
twin yarrow
Starbound will always take a special place in my life
even with all its flaws, it had, and maybe still has, idk, a huge modding community
and that feel of "there is always more" was persistent even after you've seen pretty much everything that was in game
and the ability to create your own worlds with your own lore is also important
ship from 2016.. still feels like home
tall hornet
anyone seen that article goin around, that defines the term: "treatmill"?
lot of interesting thoughts
I'm not sure if i agree with its conclusions
dire condor
Sounds like those dudes who came in around the Blood Price beta who were viewing everything SGG said and did in the worst possible light.
I'm both surprised and not surprised the author is targeting a game with no microtransactions, no DLC, no actual predatory practices.
That, or the author does not ever rewatch, relisten, replay anything.
Jim Sterling made a good video on this last year shortly after BL3 came out, in that games like BL3 have a bit of the "C'mon, one more round, you'll get a neat prize," draw of gacha games and other gambling substitutes, but there's no additional barrier to entry.
You've spent the cash to buy the game, now everything there is for you to uncover at your leisure.
Yes, if you viewed the draw of the in-game cosmetics in the worst possible light, wanting the Sundial is predation.
avali ship pog
eager hamlet
I mean they also got the history of gacha games rather wrong
So, yknow
There is that
polar dragon
What is this article even arguing?
To me it seems like:
a) They are criticizing Hades for being... addictive? SGG should be sorry they make a game so fun people pour thousands of hours into it?
b) Gacha games are morally grey because it can prey on gambling addiction. But Hades, while having RNG, prey on what? There is no loot box. The game is a fixed $25 or less depending on sale. The devs don't take any more profit by you playing the game 1 hour or 100 hours, which is different from gacha games where longer playtime correlates with higher profit.
c) Criticism on the usage of Twitch streaming and other media existence. People promote their games, what a novel concept. And Hades doesn't even have the gimmick that is Twitch integration like some other roguelites have. Hell Hades doesn't even have a big name channel to promote it.
polar dragon
Anyways, AAA gacha and indie games might have more in common than we'd like to admit.
The mental gymnastic to even come up with this.
I feel like this is a bait article so people comment on the blog.
dire condor
it most likely is
wraith cradle
I think is contrariarism
dire condor
hateclicks are profitable
hearty spindle
> Anyways, AAA gacha and indie games might have more in common than we'd like to...
Honestly I don't think it's quite as much of a jump to say that
There were a bunch of AAA games a few years ago that had lootboxes in them (which is basically just gacha under a different name and arguably aesthetics)
covert palm
yeah i was hoping that the discussion would still be going on this article
because i agree with @dire condor's comments particularly about predatory design, which hades completely lacks.
there's a big, obvious line between 'replayability' and 'exploitability' which this article fails to try to tackle.
polar dragon
There were a bunch of AAA games a few years ago that had lootboxes in them (whic...
I think you are misunderstanding what they are saying. They are comparing Indie games with AAA Gacha games, not AAA with Gacha games.
covert palm
you can finish this game in about 20hrs if you want; you can keep playing to 100hrs and still feel like you're seeing fresh content. for $20usd/aud$40, that's an incredibly good deal.
polar dragon
If this makes sense.
hearty spindle
Basically, randomization in and of itself is not bad, but making you pay real life money for randomized outcomes beyond your own control is skeevy at best
polar dragon
And also Indie is a catch all term. Some indie can be gacha
dire condor
I admit after the first few paragraphs I started scrolling and skimming but isn't it comparing roguelites to gacha?
Indie is an awful awful term and I hate that it's become a genre when it's an economic description.
polar dragon
But in this case we are talking about Hades, which should be roguelites to AAA gacha
Yeah, what Schpoonman said.
covert palm
yeah it's putting both gacha and randomlised chance under the same heading - treatmill
dire condor
A good game, even one with a fixed start and end point, should be enticing to play.
It's points in The Last of Us Part 1's favor that people still play it to this day.
wraith cradle
Indie is an awful awful term and I hate that it's become a genre when it's an ec...
Indie is a supergenre, more than a genre
polar dragon
Let's be charitable here. Gambling can be addictive. Hades does have some gambling involved.
But the difference is how predatory the mechanics is.
dire condor
Except a Call-of-Duty-alike and Hades can both exist as indie titles.
polar dragon
What even characterise an Indie game?
hearty spindle
And how a sandwich can be both a BLT and a poptart
dire condor
RADICAL SANDWICH ANARCHY
That it's not developed by a AAA studio, so it's not a good descriptor and should stop being used as such.
I got into this argument with some people a few years ago.
wraith cradle
Dark Souls and Final Fantasy Are both RPGs
dire condor
Point out the similarities between The Binding of Isaac and Transistor to me.
eager hamlet
Well
hearty spindle
Both are forms of interactive media
eager hamlet
Final Fantasy is a JRPG
polar dragon
lmao
dire condor
pin and the spine
eager hamlet
Id argue that, despite the name, JRPGs are often not RPGs
dire condor
worms babey
Dune has worms, it's not an indie game.
[vsauce michael voice] or is it?
polar dragon
My personal definition, indie games means games done with a limited budget which is signified by pixelated or highly stylized graphics.
dire condor
So by trying to lump a Twitch streamer's catalogue as "indie" when they actually just play roguelites or action games is frustrating an obfuscating.
Which is why I intensely dislike "indie" as a genre.
I'd consider dank souls an ARPG
Shroud doesn't play AAA games, he plays shooters.
dire condor
JRPG also has its own connotations.
eager hamlet
Its a descriptor
wraith cradle
So by trying to lump a Twitch streamer's catalogue as "indie" when they actually...
What Twitch Streamers have to do with this lol
dire condor
when I hear JRPG I think final fantasy 6
polar dragon
Which is why I intensely dislike "indie" as a genre.
It's funny, but I like the Indie tag on Steam because Indie to me means low price high value.
dire condor
same
polar dragon
You need to shift through a decent amount of "bad" indies, but the gems are worth it.
dire condor
Games independently developed and published tend to be smaller games that ask for a less price tag.
wraith cradle
For me is a game made independently by a small/medium size studio
dire condor
this rule goes up to like $30 for me but its pretty good life advice
wraith cradle
40 if I buy the OST too
polar dragon
Although I partly agree with Schpoonman. Calling a game AAA doesn't give any significant gameplay design of a game. The same for Indie.
So making it a genre is a bit unhelpful
wraith cradle
High Budget low budget
hybrid jetty
While I quit Hades after 4 runs,
stopped reading the article here
polar dragon
Anyhow, back to that article.
dire condor
when I hear AAA I think hyperrealism
polar dragon
^
wraith cradle
It's funny tho, I'm playing a game that's literally 'Final Fantasy made by 8 guys' and It works
dire condor
like the new rooty tooty loot n shooty games
stealy wheely automobiley
what game is that mantra
wraith cradle
I like to think 'Ubisoft' is now a genre
wraith cradle
what game is that mantra
Edge of Eternity
hybrid jetty
ubisoft open world tower
wraith cradle
just 'Ubisoft' is funnier, tho
hybrid jetty
true
polar dragon
I think the author is very aware of the difference between gacha and roguelites. Compared to gacha, roguelites, despite having RNG, are generally not predatory and have low entry barrier. The thing that stops you from progressing in a roguelites (or roguelikes) is your own skill and effort/time, not money.
The author came so close to pointing this out but decided to dance around it instead.
dire condor
im not well versed in Ubisoft lore
polar dragon
TLDR it's a bait.
wraith cradle
Ubisoft game is one with a enormous well designed open-world bloated with sidequests and with towers to see the map
Funnily enough despite not being a game made by Ubisoft, Shadow of War did that formula much better than most of their games
polar dragon
I don't mind sidequests. I do mind the inordinate amount of collectibles they put into their games. shudders thinking of Middle Earth series
wraith cradle
Middle Earth is not made by them tho
dire condor
I almost maxed achievements on AC1, got stuffed by collectibles.
Almost maxed AC2, got stuffed by not spending money on courtesans.
wraith cradle
AC1 didn't built in that formula that much and in fact is barely recognizable. AC2 codified it
hybrid jetty
the shadow of middle earth games get away with it because they actually do play a part (mostly) in the gameplay loop of "kill this dude"
dire condor
I admit I haven't played in many a year, but to my knowledge 2 was better about not spamming towers and collectibles.
polar dragon
Middle Earth is not made by them tho
You are right. Somehow I thought Middle Earth was made by Ubisoft.
hybrid jetty
the absolute worst offender is the batman arkham games
polar dragon
My point is moot...
dire condor
There was something like 70-100 in every area in 1, and that's what made it so frustrating to collect.
You only have the 100 Auditore flags to grab in 2.
wraith cradle
Another game that does the formula kinda okay is Mad Max
polar dragon
I mean honestly the Witcher 3 is also an offender in term of collectibles. Good thing the side quests are great which makes up for it.
dire condor
Honestly, the density of the junk in Horizon Zero Dawn's map is frustrating.
wraith cradle
Which is in fact a fun game
covert palm
im the type of person to WANT to get all the collectibles - the most recent dragon age having a buggy AF collectible linked to an achievement permanently ruined collecting anything in game for me.
i still don't mind, like, it's how you wanna spend your time or not, but they're just as much about skill as rng elements are really. which is to say: not.
dire condor
We talking about Riddler trophies, Dr. Perplexed?
covert palm
"you can easily play this game for 100+hrs" but all they mean is "you can walk around looking for things for the rest of your life in this game"
hybrid jetty
yeah hate those things
mad max was really really fun until I completed all the convoys and then realized they didn't respawn
dire condor
hybrid jetty
i will never forgive arkham knight for locking the true ending behind 250+ riddler trophies
rancid cove
oh hang on, there's a post about that meme
dire condor
I've also heard Knight was far and away the worst game in the series and frankly a break in standard of the series.
rancid cove
wraith cradle
Nah Origin was worse imo
polar dragon
I have the Arkham series but never played any of them
rancid cove
like, fight me, ff14 has better graphics than tlou2, and that's because it has art direction, rather than just prestige photorealism nonsense
hybrid jetty
like I can take or leave the batmobile tank segments
but its good
polar dragon
Where should I start?
hybrid jetty
arkham asylum
wraith cradle
So... From the beginning? 
dire condor
good post
polar dragon
dire condor
Almost always start from the beginning.
I like that article, Churlington.
a short hike has better graphics than tlou2
I've seen games that do photorealism very well but it's really started to mostly wear thin as a stand-in for actual design.
rancid cove
the only time i want photorealism is if most of the creatures rendered in the game, including those with major speaking roles, are fictional
hybrid jetty
photorealism peaked with rdr2 there's no point continuing it from there
rancid cove
like
dire condor
Titanfall 2 looks real enough to me
hybrid jetty
because if you try to do it you will inevitably be compared to rdr
dire condor
More stylized graphics, please.
Can we bring back sprites in high fidelity?
I like nier:a's style too
You know what's one of the my favorite-looking games of all-time? Dragon Ball FighterZ.
polar dragon
photorealism peaked with rdr2 there's no point continuing it from there
tbh people thought Crysis was it. and if we go wayyy back, some SNES titles were just sooo... realistic back in the days.
eager hamlet
Ehhhh
I mean dont get me wrong, FighterZ doesnt look bad
But I'd say its not as good as BB or Guilty Gear
hybrid jetty
tbh people thought Crysis was it. and if we go wayyy back, some SNES titles were...
true true
eager hamlet
But yeah like
dire condor
mirrors edge is the best looking video game
eager hamlet
Photorealism is just hitting diminishing returns
MGRR and Deus Ex both felt like they had enough
rancid cove
photorealism hasn't improved since hzd tbh
eager hamlet
And those games are years old by now
polar dragon
Darkest Dungeons has one of the best and most stylized graphics.
rancid cove
animation has
hybrid jetty
how much more realistic can we photo
rancid cove
renders haven't
eager hamlet
And hell, I do prefer stylised
hybrid jetty
i love darkest dungeon's art
eager hamlet
SGG games usually look better than a lot of photorealistic games just through their style
hybrid jetty
I prefer stylized but I think there are times where photorealistic fits better
eager hamlet
I mean sure, but even for photorealism
I dont need anything beyond Deus Ex Human Revolution level
polar dragon
Mirror Edge graphics looks stylized to me :D
dire condor
That's the ideal "realism" in video games.
Make it clearly human and "real" but then soften the edges and style up what is needed to keep it fluid.
polar dragon
That's the ideal "realism" in video games.
WRONG. Super Seducer 2 has the best graphics you will see. It's super realistic.
dire condor
You had me for a minute.
Anyway, games that shoot for ultra-realism tend to be worse games for it.
big fan of Titanfall 2's realism
dire condor
Yes, it's realistic to require players to eat every 8 in-game hours, but 8 hours is only 15 minutes IRL so it's exhausting very quickly.
Ooh, same.
like tf|2 looks good, and I enjoyed the quality of the graphics
I got it on Steam for $10 when it cross-released earlier this year and then got stomped on so hard in Titan combat I quit like a baby.
I don't need to be playing a movie
hybrid jetty
I got it on origin years ago, played through the campaign and liked it so much that I decided to try multiplayer, learned that it puts me with people who have like 400 hours and never touched multiplayer again
dire condor
tf|2 is the best fps campaign I've played
out of the two I've played
the other one being hl2
I'm very interested in seeing if it's better than Doom 2016.
wraith cradle
God Titanfall 2 was so exhilarating
hybrid jetty
i don't think doom eternal can be topped gameplay wise when it comes to campaign
with the exception of one level in titanfall 2
dire condor
tf|2 has my favorite shotgun(s) in games
the one where you get that power tool?
or the time travel one
hybrid jetty
time travel one
dire condor
those were the standouts to me
rancid cove
i only play shooters for reasons other than gunplay, so when i eventually get around to 2tanfall it'll be interesting to see how it stacks up for me
right now i think my favorite campaign is wolfen2
wraith cradle
TF2 was one of a kind, my favourite character to play was ||the one-eyed scottish guy ||
dire condor
I was a soldier main personall
eva-8, mastiff, and mozambique were my favorite guns by a country mile
I did like trying out all the different guns tho
covert palm
maybe it's just me but i care a lot less about graphics than i do about level design. level design - esp the interplay between gameplay, architecture, and story - is always going to be something that hooks me far more than 'wow it's almost like i'm outside'
shout out to dishonored 2's clockwork mansion level, the level that i haven't stopped thinking about for 4 years now, god damn
wraith cradle
The thing is that graphics are not just about being photorrealistic or not, but about being ugly to the eye
twin yarrow
it's just sometimes, when you have a huge department with 50+ dudes and countless outsourced freelancers, fully paid, there is no other choice, than working on graphical things, models, textures, light effects, wrinkles on characters' noses, mathematically correct barcodes on some thrown away wrapping, that shows in 2 secs, before being blown away by physically correct wind, with some patented AirFlow™️ technology, bc it's the only way to make everyone do the same thing with their best effort
when you have 2 or 3 artists, and everyone know each other for years, maybe even your families know each other, you can come up with predefined design, that may be not so detailed, but look really good and stylish. doesn't matter, if it's pixelated, or cell-shaded, or made to look like Flash animation, or simple 3d colorful renders, doesn't matter, but you can focus on it looking good, not just looking real.. you can do whatever you want, bc noone tells you what to do.. you're independent.. and results can be much much better
that's the difference
covert palm
chef's kiss artistic unity
haha but actually though, it's just straight up bad project management if you can't get your team to align
like. speaking as a project manager myself
i've worked in big & small companies though so i totally agree, it is infinitely easier to be on the same page with your team when your team is two people who sit next to you most the year
twin yarrow
and i can't remember that moment
mb, bc i, like, started in the sunday morning in february last year, and played for 18 hours straight without any breaks, just from beginning to an end, not even 100% secrets found
rancid cove
dire condor
Man, I miss PS1 Mega Man X.
rancid cove
it was a misteak to take the series 3d
twin yarrow
the only good 3d Megaman was Legends, period
rancid cove
now that inafune's career is over, i kinda hope someone will step up and make a spiritual legends 3
wraith cradle
Nothing has killed more franchises than the dreaded third dimension
hearty spindle
And incompetent businessmen
wraith cradle
I started to play lol again
Because my gf is an avid player it so we can do things together
The things I do for love
lunar crypt
Yoooo! I'm doing it for the same reason! Except it's not for my gf but for a friend 
I even told them the same thing 
wraith cradle
Lol
rancid cove
rancid cove
forest stirrup
zealous fossil
wraith cradle
DirectX creator has died
floral warren
I found out that DirectX's codename was the Manhattan Project. Safe to say that it changed how PC gaming works and also console gaming works
jovial verge
junior crown
Today on EGS: Metro 2033 Redux
junior crown
Yeah I feel like the game series is way too brutal on the needs for what ending you get
rancid cove
Twitter
lofty pecan
damn is steam so slow rn
floral warren
the games I have on wishlist doesn't have a price
lofty pecan
also i cant find any purchase options for kentucky route zero
junior crown
the usual sadly lol
rancid cove
Twitter
lofty pecan
kinda makes it look like theyre trying too hard to find some small review companies
when in reality they could post like the 3 biggest, well known ones and still be fine
quartz latch
also i cant find any purchase options for kentucky route zero
It is delivered directly in your dreams, bypassing the purchase option
wraith cradle
I'm still waiting for Steam to send me the email to tell me Which wishlisted games are on sale
lofty pecan
for those who have played kentucky route zero, if i thought the first act was a bit boring will i enjoy the rest of the game?
inner salmon
I'm sorry SGG, I had to vote Titanfall 2 for GOTY on Steam
Hades will win it anyway
dire condor
lmao
thorny flint
eager hamlet
I bought some games for other folks
Thats it
Backlog too big, and no game I particularly care about
fallow thorn
Is Satisfactory worth it?
mortal siren
never heard
broken smelt
if you enjoy games of the genre it's in yes
but I can't say if it's worth it for you without knowing the games you tend to enjoy
@fallow thorn
fallow thorn
Thanks
hardy onyx
I picked up Satisfactory way back in Early Access and it was a lot of fun. Very chill and visually pleasing, so if you like survival/base building type games it's a solid recommendation for sure
twin yarrow
Satisfactory is a first game with crafting, that presented 100% resource returning after scrapping, and that's what bought me
i'm a huge trash collector
covert palm
i played satisfactory with my friends and then realised i have a bit of neat freak in me
bad times
mellow linden
proper linden
Anybody wanna play some https://bloodontheclocktower.com/ ?
latent bramble
Earthbound is an awesome game
You should play it
It is fun, it is challenging, and it has a lighthearted tone that will make you smile the whole way through
It also has a completely off-the-wall sense of humor that lends it a unique tone
dire condor
I heard that that game was inspired by undertale
broken smelt
if toby fox somehow time travelled to before 1995, maybe 
lofty pecan
If i only play one fallout game is new vegas the one to get?
rancid cove
yes
rancid token
Double yes
Personally, my favorite play is grab NV and 3, mash them into Tale of Two Wastelands, and play that
But 3 is much worse than NV
dire condor
I watched the dev vid for this it was so cool
leaden heart
upbeat prawn
depends if you are searching games that it's in form of a dungeon and you try again and again and it's all about replayability there is a whole genre called Roguelikes or roguelites which are the same with some defferences
rancid cove
i would contend that bastion and transistor both share significant gameplay overlap with hades
autumn laurel
yea dungeon that keep going and going
with no wep upgrades
only get upgrade when u are in dungeon like hades
polar dragon
Some good roguelites that I have played/know of, ranking from most similar to Hades to least:
Curse of the Dead Gods
Dead Cells
Wizard of Legends
Undermine
Dandy Ace
Enter the Gungeon
The Binding of Isaac
Not roguelite but still pretty cool with good action hack and slash that still feels somewhat similar to Hades:
Hyper Light Drifter
Hollow Knight
Furi
Then there are turn base roguelites which includes many great entries.
humble dust
hyper light drifter requires you to be much more deliberate in combat compared to hades
no mashing
and your health is very low
hearty spindle
Nuclear Throne is good too
broken smelt
the ost for HLD is incredible too 
dire condor
it's really tough but it never feels unfair
and perfectly fits my mentality of "bash my head into something until I understand it"
I went north first on my very first playthrough LMAO
that being said I should really give dark souls another shot
junior crown
I played through it and did NG+ and almost did the final boss rush
I will say it's fair, but damn how unfair some of the achievements are
eager hamlet
I mean, yeah
MGSV is a good game
Unfinished story (its missing arc 3) but really good gameplay
Its also inexplicably well optimised
wraith cradle
I think 'm gonna buy DA:I is the lats one I lack
floral warren
Gonna buy MGSV plus Ground zeroes for 7.5 euros
7.5 euros?
I got Ground zeros alone for 10 euro back in 2015
thats a steal!
floral warren
yeah If you're into stealth and kinda story-rich games (watch the other games' lores too) MGS V is fine
wraith cradle
I already played PW, 3 and 4
wraith cradle
And the first two are the ones I needed to play
floral warren
Sooo, you like Kojima games, hmm?
MGS V is close to PW than the other games in terms of building the motherbase
but Ground zeros is closer to the other games because of Konami making it as a teaser for TPP
wraith cradle
I remember when both were announced back in the day and being confused about what GZ actually was
I'll show you my cart when I'm done
floral warren
Alright, @me when you do it
junior crown
Tropico 5 free on EGS
lofty pecan
cant wait for night in the woods on EGS
wraith cradle
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/351166263772446722/791337852134752296/IMG_20201223_171356.png
@floral warren
floral warren
The Definitive experience, fantastic!
I sadly don't have knowledge to talk about the other games (maybe others around here does) but with that price, thats a steal
wraith cradle
Yeah lol it costs the same as the vanilla
stoic flume
What are some of y'alls biggest gaming pet peeves?
For me, it's any time a game has "auto-fails"
"oh you got seen, rewind/do it again"
rigid girder
Some good roguelites that I have played/know of, ranking from most similar to Ha...
ScourgeBringer -- switch, Xbox, PC
recommend that one
quite cheap too
eager hamlet
Bosses that can heal without being able to interrupt them
floral warren
(not really that big but...) The fact that most games doesn't have an option to save or to set a timer to Auto-save at least
and also RPG's fall damage logic
wraith cradle
Other good Roguelites are Dungeon of The Endless, Othercide, FTL and Star Renegades
eager hamlet
One Step From Eden as well
polar dragon
Yup I have played a some turn based roguelites as well. Love them. Though the folks above asked about games similar to Hades so I didn't include turn based or semi turn based stuff.
sour cipher
Now that's just a massive F right there
rancid cove
dire condor
Grimm as a Backstreet Boy. 
rancid cove
polar dragon
Damn April came early this year huh
wraith cradle
Nah, this is just the 2020 Season Finale
hybrid jetty
but does it run the dating sim
rancid cove
tbh my question is if it runs anything but the dating sim
dire condor
The dating sim is the only one that matters
sour cipher
What on earth are the specs on that bad boi
polar dragon
What on earth are the specs on that bad boi
Based on the picture, I would say its specs can accommodate 12pc. Chicken, 3 Large Sides, 6 Biscuits (Feeds 6+).
mortal siren
It is fun, it is challenging, and it has a lighthearted tone that will make you ...
until u fight eldritch horror in the end
latent bramble
Random question
What if Sans fought Sephiroth
Now you may not know who either of those people are
But they've both been added to Smash Bros now, so I really wanna think about this matchup
latent bramble
Okay but hear me out
When you fight Sans you're a kid with a knife
Sephiroth can cast Ultima and fill the room with incandescent plasma
rancid cove
so? he also got beat by a kid with a knife
latent bramble
Cloud Strife isn't just a kid with a knife
He's a kid with a super buffed knife that can cast all kinds of spells and do all other kinds of fancy things, because at that point you've loaded it up with all kinds of Materia
And also he has two other people in his party with him
Anyway Sans is super powerful but he is not invincible, and Sephiroth would use his immense magic powers to squash him
rancid cove
doesnt sans have time powers
latent bramble
He doesn't, but he does have teleportation and gravity manipulation abilities
Problem with Ultima is that it's so big, there's not really anywhere he can teleport to
And he only teleports short distances
And anyway, Sephiroth has to take a ton of damage before he finally croaks
Sans only has to get hit once
Even if Sans could dodge Ultima, Sephiroth has a very deep mana pool to draw from
Sephiroth could win purely through attrition
mortal siren
can kirby eat both of them
pure iron
So I have compiled My Top 10 Games of 2020 (and Honorable Mentions).
rancid cove
where does yaku7a rank
pure iron
Honorable Mention actually.
Only because I haven't played enough of it.
But I am enjoying it so far!
rancid cove
i only watched punchy play through it but it's my #1 tbh
pure iron
Cool!
rancid cove
this is the stuff i am TALKING about https://twitter.com/monsterhunter/status/1342017169505222656?s=09
fresh crag
dire condor
this is the stuff i am TALKING about https://twitter.com/monsterhunter/status/13...
I wanna get a switch just for rise tbh
I'm gonna die from lack of monster hunter
Now that MHW is basically done
dire condor
I'm hoping for that as well
stone flax
october apparently
fervent gyro
Finally there will be some more info!
I'm basically glad Team Cherry are still developing the game :) it was too long before any word from them.
dire condor
wraith cradle
@fervent gyro Don't play with my heart like that
fervent gyro
<@!348403962191413259> Don't play with my heart like that
You mean heart jumping from excitement? ;)
wraith cradle
I fear it's gonna be bait
rancid cove
Although the leaks had no credibility really
i literally cannot imagine an explanation for the dragon's dogma anime existing EXCEPT "new game in development"
wraith cradle
i literally cannot imagine an explanation for the dragon's dogma anime existing ...
There's an hyper light Drifter anime in the way so don't get my hopes up
rancid cove
i mean, we know their next game already
also HLD is gorgeous, whereas dodosgama is like. skyrim palette.
wraith cradle
Dogma had interesting quest progression and npc handling, tho
rancid cove
i mean, i'm a simp for the gameplay loop of dogma, it just had nothing that translates well to making an anime out of
rancid token
Dogma is deeply weird in a very interesting way
rancid cove
Twitter
floral warren
Have at it, what you've gotten in your mind?
latent bramble
I got inspired by a game called Live A Live
The basic gameplay of my RPG is like a cross between Fire Emblem and a standard JRPG
When you get into an encounter, your characters and the enemies are all on a grid
You can move around the grid, and so can enemies
All attacks and spells are based on positioning; the player needs to be at a certain position from the enemy to perform certain attacks
floral warren
FIre emblem, I've never really played any game of the series
so your rpg has an auto chess-like mechanic?
dire condor
yooooo live a live
orchid path
he doesn't generally do them fully blind @polar dragon
you find out the level of the leaders first
dire condor
that game is so sick
polar dragon
Got it.
dire condor
bangin boss theme https://youtu.be/p1Nmc84Noos
dire condor
he doesn't generally do them fully blind <@!162305901892599809>
you find out th...
Yeah I did the first 4 or 5 attempts of Y blind and it was brutal
dire condor
gen 6 has an acceptable level of difficulty if you turn off the xp share
wraith cradle
And they say he can't meet deadlines
orchid path
i just finished a normal run of blazed glazed recently (super fun romhack btw) and am trying out my first nuzlocke on firered
using PC's rules has been tough but im at surge already on this run so im feeling good about it
latent bramble
Okay sorru
wraith cradle
Anyone here played Langrisser?
latent bramble
I had to go help my dad with the grill
dire condor
using PC's rules has been tough but im at surge already on this run so im feelin...
Nice! Fire Red is what I'm planning on running next. The original games are the ones I know the best so should find it a little easier than Y
orchid path
had to put it down due to uni exams just before christmas but might try again now that im on holiday
yea i don't know much about pokemon post gen 4 so i've been sticking to early gens
latent bramble
Do you guys still want to hear my RPG ideas?
dire condor
I really want to try a Platinum run as well given the reputation Cynthia has. I've never played it though (stopped at Emerald when I was younger) so I probably need more experience before I tackle that
rancid cove
Do you guys still want to hear my RPG ideas?
fire away imo
lofty pecan
just finished gone home - is the second game by the devs, tacoma, good as well?
latent bramble
Okay so here is my RPG idea
The setting is a lot like like Bloodborne, a gothic world filled with horrible monsters
Unlike Bloodborne, instead of controlling a single character you control many different characters, four in your party at a time
Instead of being an action RPG, it's a turn-based tactical RPG
dire condor
Darkest Dungeon is free tomorrow on the EGS.
latent bramble
Its not like Darkest Dungeon either
Darkest Dungeon has a bunch of randomly generated characters, like individual soldiers in an army
This game is more story-driven, with actual characters that have story arcs and stuff
Like a Final Fantasy game
And also the combat is completely different from Darkest Dungeon
jade yacht
Has anyone played Moonlighter?
rancid cove
i did
i think there's a dlc for it that i didn't get around to, but i beat the main game
jade yacht
Was it fun? It's going for around $8 on the switch
rancid cove
i think the best way i can put it is "if you think it looks good, you're right"
like, it's going for a very specific Thing, and imo it sticks the landing, but if you're not already kinda on board with it, i hesitate to recommend it regardless
jade yacht
Mmmm I'll try it out then :} I'm not exactly picky when it comes to games anyway
rancid cove
wraith cradle
It's a game that either you lie the first half an hour or you won't like it
I was gonna buy Nioh 2 and I just realized It hadn't come on PC yet
rancid cove
mood
wraith cradle
I really didn't know
mortal siren
is nioh gud
rancid cove
nioh rules tbh
it's like what if soulsborne had an actual combat system instead of just roll to the right and swing greatsword
stiff apex
god i wanna buy Haven so badly but I've already splurged on one game this month... 😩
hardy onyx
They can be fun when they're done well
latent bramble
The problem with element systems in a lot of old games is that they're this arbitrary attribute most attacks have
Like, a fire spell does 300 fire damage
But what's the difference between fire damage and regular damage?
Well... it is ineffective against ice enemies
That's it, that's the only difference
Well, I think I have a solution to that problem
What if each type of elemental damage also had a debuff associated with it
Like, fire damage inflicted the "burning" debuff, which deals severe damage over time
Or, lightning damage inflicted the "shock" debuff, which stuns the target
rancid cove
genshin does that
xenoblade 2 does something sort of in that vein, but not very deep
hardy onyx
Yeah, there are definitely games that do this
dire condor
Okay, gonna need a hand.
rancid cove
oh! actually, nioh has exactly that system too
dire condor
I cannot get my supposedly DRM-free games on Steam to open without opening Steam.
latent bramble
Well, even if it's been done before, it's still a cool system to have, right?
rancid cove
oh crabsolutely
dire condor
Dead Cells, Nuclear Throne.
rancid cove
i would krill for someone to just straight up steal golden sun's class/djinn system
hardy onyx
I cannot get my supposedly DRM-free games on Steam to open without opening Steam...
Like, running direct from .exe isn't working?
dire condor
Haven't played a lot of indies through Steam recently, but Dead Cells is the big one.
Found DC in my files, hit it directly, Steam opened.
latent bramble
Like, "I need some time to charge up this spell. Let me cast Bolt III so I can shock them, buying me more time to do other stuff."
Whereas before, Bolt III wasn't that much different from Ice III or Fire III, now it's much more of a consideration
polar dragon
Yeah that's it
dire condor
Yeah, that launches Steam.
polar dragon
Is there like an api.dll thing on that folder?
dire condor
I've got 10,000 items that all start with "api-mis-win" in their file names.
polar dragon
Lmao nvm then
Not sure about DC specifically, but some games uses Steam API fo mods
dire condor
Don't nuke it from orbit, but keep it and move it out of the folder?
polar dragon
Yeah in case something goes wrong
Though worst case scenario you will just need to redownload dc
dire condor
I may very publicly freak at the next person who gives me any yang about Steam's performance. What a horrible launcher.
polar dragon
yeah that means the games need to check for Steam DRM before launching
so it's not DRM free
you can paste the dll file back though
dire condor
So what's this garbage people have been feeding me for the last year about Steam having DRM-free games?
None of my games launch without Steam butting in.
polar dragon
not sure about your case, but some games in my computer launches fine without steam and I run the .exe file from the same folder you do.
Hades does, I tested it.
dire condor
Terrific.
hardy onyx
Clip relevant to discussion in #h1-high-heat-strategies https://clips.twitch.tv/NaiveConfidentCasetteBIRB
mortal siren
genshin element system is a little advanced, u can combine 2 elements at the same time to get a new effect and theres 2 more elements that can amplify or counter the dmg
polar dragon
This is how we do for generations my son
latent bramble
What do you think of this element system?
I brainstormed this idea while thinking up ideas for a possible RPG
Oh wait you can't post images
rancid cove
bounce it through imgur or something
dire condor
Omori out soon
Interested in the aesthetic but not so much in the gameplay
Someone @ me if it turns out to be worth picking up 
wraith cradle
Omori out soon
I've been waiting for that game since before I knew star citizen existed
rancid cove
stoic flume
Merry Christmas y’all
wraith cradle
Lol the omori guys published all the most songs individually
Completely flooding my inbox
valid hill
@wooden minnow continue here
valid hill
No but I’m saving up for it
Which was why I was asking
I hate the color though
I’m one of those “I love black” guys
wooden minnow
well u can always just hide it in a drawer i guess?
valid hill
Lmaoooo no I can just spray paint it
wooden minnow
ive been considering a console for a while now but dont have a tv sadly :D
wooden minnow
Lmaoooo no I can just spray paint it
thats also something
valid hill
You can just connect it to your monitor
hardy onyx
Yeah, that's what I do with my consoles
The only tricky part is sound output, depending on your setup
valid hill
@wooden minnow I'm an idiot too, don't worry xd
wooden minnow
The only tricky part is sound output, depending on your setup
hmm i guess maybe thats the least
i mean most games i can just sub right?
hardy onyx
You mean subtitles? Sure, but you lose a lot not having sound (music, VO, audio cues)
For myself, I run an AUX cable from my Switch's headphone jack to my speakers' line-in, and for my Xbone I run an optical cable to my speakers' optical input. I'm pretty sure you can get HDMI splitters that will separate the audio for you to use headphones with, too
junior crown
Darkest Dungeon is currently free on EGS go get it if you haven't gotten it
rustic falcon
sorry, i have to delete this because of the swear :(
wraith cradle
The Dankest Free Game
rancid cove
stoic flume
man someday I'll suck it up and really tackle that game
someday
maybe when it gets a ps5 patch
if I can get a ps5 even at this rate
rancid token
It's good, as someone who did not gel with it at first
floral warren
60fps is enough to make it good again
floral warren
Start with DS3, it's a bit friendlier to new players because of the linear design and the gameplay improvements over the other souls and souls-like
stoic flume
I heard ds2 was the only one to avoid
people seem to have strong negative or strong positive opinions on that
rancid token
DS2 is Fine, but definitely the worst of the bunch
floral warren
it's a great RPG game, but it's a crappy souls
People say the healing potion (Estus flask) is slow in DS1, just see how slow is it in DS2
But in DS3 the potion can be used while moving
dire condor
@dire condor what was it that made you drop it? I've been debating getting a switch with AC for my girlfriend
burnt out
also my GGGB didn't really agree with the game
GGGB? (Sorry if this a really obvious abbreviation I'm getting old now)
Goopy Goblin Gamer Brain
Hades is an excellent game for it
hardy onyx
I had a similar experience with Animal Crossing, except expanded to about 400 hours and a few months before I stopped because it was just eating too much of my time
dire condor
Oh I know that for some reason, is it from a NakeyJakey video?
yeah
I absolutely have this issue
I really want to play 13 Sentinels: Aegis Rim but the fact it's part visual novel is an instant no for me
hardy onyx
So I guess you aren't big on Pyre either then 
dire condor
I can enjoy VNs if I'm in the mood for them
like i played and enjoyed hatoful boyfriend this year
it does not feel like this year but it was
Not played Pyre yet! I am intending on going through Supergiant's back catalogue once I'm 'done' with Hades
hardy onyx
I've heard good things about 13 Sentinels but aside from some award nominations I know absolutely nothing about it
rancid token
It's hard to talk about without spoiling things
dire condor
I really like Vanillaware's other stuff (Dragon's Crown, Odin's Sphere) so this new release had me pumped
my GGGB lets me enjoy something like subnautica but not acnh
Games have to walk a tight rope for me on the story/gameplay balance
Hades = good. Uncharted series = zero interest
uncharted series is basically a movie that u play through
to its benefit and detriment
Hades is insane in that the gameplay and story are so tightly woven together that it feels organic and any pauses feels natural
I just watched a 2.5 hour video on the series so I kinda know my stuff. heh
shoutous Jacob andersen
wait wrong guy hold on
Joseph anderson
I'll definitely check that out, I've got a lot of time to kill over the Xmas period
my top 3 games are Xenoblade 1, hollow knight and nier:automata
rancid cove
13 sentinels is to vanillaware what hzd is to guerrilla and uhhhhhhhhhhhhh
dire condor
xb1 has a pretty damn good balance of story and gggb satisfying combat
On an unrelated note, having your gameplay actually influence those around you in Hades made me realise I have a huge issue with Ghost of Tsushima. I played my entire second run with zero stealth (apart from a certain forced moment or two) and ||basically none of it mattered. I was treated the same way and got the same dialogue despite never stealth-ing at all||
rancid cove
there's another company that made a hard pivot from their standard fare into one of the best games of its kind
dire condor
from software?
dire condor
13 sentinels is to vanillaware what hzd is to guerrilla and uhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Damn that's some serious hype?
rancid cove
i don't think it's fromsoft, no
dire condor
my top 3 games are Xenoblade 1, hollow knight and nier:automata
Hollow Knight is fantastic. Beat it earlier this year and Radiance is honestly an absolute masterpiece of a fight
xb1 is linear but there are very very large paths around that linearity
rancid cove
like, the key thing is that vanilla and guerrilla had both made pretty good games and then suddenly knocked it out of the park in a genre they'd never touched
dire condor
inch resting
silksong news soontm
not even goofing
I still need to make my way through the DLC content but I was so happy with the Radiance fight that I decided to leave it there for now
Like it ended on the highest of highs for me and I was happy leaving with that moment
hardy onyx
Oh, 13 Sentinels is PS exclusive, I see. Well, maybe it'll be ported to PC one day for me
stoic flume
I don't think bloodborne will get ported
dire condor
second one was a steel soul "speedrun" (2 hours), third was supposed to just be me testing the hori dpad joycon I bought
stoic flume
but maybe we'll get a ps5 patch?
dire condor
but that third file ended up going to higher % completion than my main one
I respect anyone that can steel soul that game. I'm just not built for 2D platformers/side scrollers. I struggled hard!
I also discovered that if projectiles are involved I will without fail jump into them
Hades is prob my #4 favorite game with Celeste at #5
oh man the third level of Celeste was hell for me LOL
Celeste was really fun too! Some of the really fast sections like the end of level 2 felt amazing to play
dire condor
I remember sunset overdrive being somewhat similar to spidey
floral warren
So I guess you aren't big on Pyre either then <:squirtdevious:472124054569222144...
weirdly enough I get GGGB'd quickly in DOOM rather than in pyre or transistor.
guns and fists bore me more than some VR BF or a Chad Demon Lass (yes, i'm going to call Jodariel like that)
dire condor
I tried doom 2016 and it didn't grab me
though Titanfall 2 had me hooked and I'm not even a shooter person
floral warren
I'm doing it for DOOM Eternal
dire condor
ive played through TF|2 so many times
rancid cove
doom 2016 is probably the shooty-assest shooter i've ever really loved
dire condor
define shooty-ass
floral warren
Mick Gordon's OSTs are one helluva drug
rancid cove
well, second place would be wolfenstein reboot 2
and then you get into the halves life and the metroids prime
dire condor
ive been meaning to check out the new wolfenstein games
killing nazis sounds like good fun
rancid cove
it is!
floral warren
I need to check it out after DOOM
rancid cove
youngblood was. a disappointment. tho
floral warren
I need to understand the fans behind bethesda games and why are they popular
floral warren
I really don't want to tackle another long RPG game
Last time I did that I sank in 40+hours
dire condor
I have never played Skyrim
rancid cove
good call
floral warren
Neither did I
hardy onyx
Playtime is such a weird thing for me... I'm always hesitant to jump into a long RPG or open world game because Time, yet here I am with 500+ hours in Hades 
rancid cove
i extremely do not want to talk about how many hours i've put into which games
hardy onyx
Valid
rancid cove
well, ok, im fine with the thousand or so i've probably got in ff14 at this poiint
floral warren
It's embarrassing for me tbh
rancid cove
i just wish that was the highest
dire condor
well, ok, im fine with the thousand or so i've probably got in ff14 at this poii...
I really want to try FF14 but damn is it intimidating jumping into that much content
rancid cove
ah yes, but consider: it's free!
at least for more than long enough to decide if you want to stick with it
junior crown
Joe 
dire condor
Valid point, I just keep hearing such rave reviews for it and it's been so long since I enjoyed a FF game
floral warren
I don't like playing MMOs in general, Destiny 2 barely made me because of stars and stars and also Ghost
Meanwhile everyone in my discord either plays Black desert, Warframe and fing Genshin Impact
or Soulworker
dire condor
I was worried about adventure time having 283 episodes but here I am at episode 148
if ur getting into something with a lot of meat u kinda just gotta do it
I'm the same that level of time commitment to one game is really intimidating/off-putting. I need my variety
And I tunnel vision too much to play multiple games at once
floral warren
Same!
and Same
2 years ago , spamming overwatch so much
Thank god my friend lend me his steam account and said "I dare you to say you're bored from games"
dire condor
ive never played overwatch either
floral warren
Good
Very good, like actually really really good
You could wait for the sequel but Good
dire condor
don't feel like supporting blizzard
rancid cove
mood
im glad i discovered grim dawn so i can finally stop caring about anything they make
dire condor
It's all about finding what you like
Rather than following trends. Like I know for a fact if I ended up investing/dumping time into FF14 I'd regret it because I know it doesn't really tick boxes for me
floral warren
It's all about finding what you like
hence why I loved SGGames!
rancid cove
you think it doesn't tick boxes for you
floral warren
Until you reach far in the game
dire condor
hence why I loved SGGames!
That tends to be how I find games to play. Just work through the developers other stuff once I find something I like
dire condor
you *think* it doesn't tick boxes for you
I mean from what I've read/watched/heard I know I'll get fed up of slogging through the weak content to get to the good stuff
floral warren
Currently enjoyed/and enjoying two games so far
the other two is really cheap so I'm saving couple bucks and buying them
wraith cradle
I mean from what I've read/watched/heard I know I'll get fed up of slogging thro...
They massively cut the fat off recently
Now reaching Heavensward us much less grindy
dire condor
Why must you tempt me further haha!
wynncraft is the mmorpg ive sunk the most time into lmfao
some 600 hours
all in 2018
wraith cradle
The secret world personally
dire condor
I had 1.5k hours on mineplex
rancid cove
Why must you tempt me further haha!
i've been gaming since the mid 90s and the current xpac of ff14 is my favorite game of all time
that's why
dire condor
I'm going to have the free trial installed by the end of the weekend now I can feel it
rancid token
Eh, even with the cut content, the space between ARR and Heavensward in XIV is absolutely miserable
It's very good overall though
As someone who typically does not like MMOs
Or rather, does not stick with them
uneven heath
but at least it's now part of the base game and the trial. so you don't even need to pay for the game to finish both ARR and HW at this point x)
rancid token
Sure
dire condor
I'll probably give it a try in the near future then, provided I don't get my hands on a PS5 for Demon's Souls first
Last question about it, is it possible to just kind of keep up with it in passing and revisit purely for the storyline? (That's mainly what I'm interested in for FFXIV in particular)
rancid cove
yep!
core content'll keep you geared up enough to not have to grind unless you want to venture into raids
dire condor
Alright it's ticking some more boxes for me now. Cause tbh the whole being in a guild and raiding every night isn't really my jam
rancid cove
yeah that definitely exists in ff14 but it doesn't feel like the game revolves around it the way WoW at least used to
wraith cradle
Lol every new ffxiv X-Pac ends being my favorite one
rancid cove
i mean, sure, but stormblood wouldn't have cracked my top 5 games of all time
shadowbringers is something special
dire condor
Cool cool cool! Guess I know what I'm doing once I feel like I need a change from Hades
rancid cove
wraith cradle
In any case make sure you play all the Heavensward content before paying a buck
To be sure that's what you wanna do
dire condor
I absolutely will do, that's the first two expansions right?
Side note: you were closer with euro. I am regrettably English lol
rancid cove
heavensward is the first xpac, ARR is the base game
(there's a whole Story behind ARR)
dire condor
Okay I'm with you now - thanks for clearing up
rancid cove
(specifically, https://youtu.be/Xs0yQKI7Yw4 )
wraith cradle
ARR levels 1-50
Heavensward levels 510-70
wraith cradle
What made feel in love with the game was the fact each job has a questline
Ups
Brain fart
uneven heath
Stormblood is 61-70
Shadowbringers 71-80 (and the current expansion)
uneven heath
I started as a Thaumaturge/Black Mage
then did Archer/Bard
and then just... went all over the place because you can play every class with one character x)
rancid cove
i think VERY first, back in the ARR beta, was LNC
dire condor
Okay great I'm actually kind of excited now! Thanks for all the help guys, I'll leave you to reminisce in peace - merry xmas!
wraith cradle
I love playing tanks in MMOs lol
rancid cove
but when i actually started playing for real, PGL
eager hamlet
Im more of a GW2 guy myself
Also PSO2 now I guess
My issue with FFXIV is just that its sub-based and the gameplay looks like the same dull tab-targetting combat Ive been bored of before
wraith cradle
@rancid cove Do you think GaiaxRyne is now canon? I swear I finished with that impression
uneven heath
I mean, they could also just be friends but I would be very okay with them making them a couple^^
and.... do the last four raids for the rest of the story 😉
rancid cove
there's no way in hell they're just gals being pals
wraith cradle
From Minfilia to Minfella
rancid cove
wat
wraith cradle
A joke gone bad
In any case
The most damning evidence is that their last scene mirrors the scene between Rinoa and Squall from ffviii
rancid cove
tibia
wraith cradle
A romantic scene mind you
uneven heath
yeah, SE just redoing the entire scene was .... something xD
wraith cradle
It was great tho
rancid cove
rancid cove
wraith cradle
Twelfth Street Rag Starts Playing
mortal siren
ppl not realizing the spongebob game is far more predatory
hearty spindle
there is no such thing as "good" gacha, just sayin'
mortal siren
there is tho
i consider a good gacha to maintain the f2p community of the game very happy, while also engaging in events pretty consistently
for example in the picture depicted: genshin, arknights, 7DS and spongebob.
dire condor
The spongebob game is a gacha?
mortal siren
Genshin and arknights will be more favourable since they are single player based and are pretty generous in distribution of premium currencies.
7ds and spongebob on the other hand, give a significant advantage for paying players in terms of events. 7ds premium currency is farmable through pvp, thuss without the meta units, itsharder to break through the player bracket. Spongebob on the other hnd, depends entirely on boosters system, which requires only through paying for them. they arent pretty generous either
wraith cradle
~~there is no such thing as "good" gacha, just sayin'~~
Xenoblade Chronicles 2
mortal siren
ive tried a lot of gachas, and theres clear distinction where the devs are very money hungry rather than only targetting whales through cosmetic skins
however since people just group it up without rly loking how the gacha system works, they are all assumed to be as bad as BF2 lootbox system, which is quite a generalization
dire condor
Probably not, but imo it's in the nature of the gacha concept itself to be predatory
hearty spindle
^
mortal siren
why do i even try
dire condor
That's just what I think, sorry
Even if some gacha are less so than others
Ex. In genshin you can get by fine without spending anything
But the games are designed to make players want to spend money
hearty spindle
I mean really, a lot of the ideas behind gacha have been tried in other games and the main takeaway I've gotten from them is that even if gacha as a system weren't inherently predatory, it's also extremely easy for it to become so
And also extremely profitable
Which means that the people behind such a game would have a reason to be a bit predatory from there
At which point things just sort of start spiraling
...the gist of what I'm trying to say is that instead of trying to make gacha good/better, it'd probably be better to just cut our losses and throw it out
If only because it's proven itself to be WAY to easy to abuse as the consumer's expense
mortal siren
there is some cases on the game just becomes predatory in their later iterations, this is where the active participation of the community always comes in, some of the very long standing gacha games that dont address balance and and predatory practices will just either:
-got pressured into massive overhaul
-left obsolete by the community that considers their feedbacks useless
conclusion is even when the game becomes so popular, the gacha game will always be under hostage by the community. so the everchanging nature of them is never a problem. For example genshin community recently have a massive outrage over the misleading materials released by the dev, in turn the dev have to buff the related character to make sure the community doesnt bail from participating in future events and banners, which is a common case in gacha games
the peculiar example would be sports franchise, such as nba madden and fifa, the community is pretty accepted the predatory nature of the system. thus the game never changes since the community become normalized it
so the main takeaway will be, consumers should realize their power on controlling their experience on these games, and its our duty to make sure they realize that by promoting awareness of the iissue and solution
hearty spindle
I just wish more people did at this point
winter yoke
Starting the witcher 3
All ik about it is bathtub geralt and that's all I need to know
floral warren
Learn to use the Signs, they're really really beneficial in the mid-late stages of the game
stone flax
yeah otherwise the bathwater gets too cold