video-games

[wraith cradle]

Basically there was a time in American media where black people had 0 representation. During the 60s to 80s there was an influx where them started to get front and center paper. bur NOT in a normal way

They were basically Mary Sue'd into oblivion

Being treated as wise and magical people in universe whose wisdom reached the edge of the Universe

And now gradually they left that behind and they are just part of the normal casting

I actually want to call back to a comment someone made here yesterday

the four big rules you don't break with your lgbt characters if you want that sweet sweet gay cash are none of the following: dead gay, villain gay, unimportant background gay, and miserable gay.

That used to be true with black people too

But now nobody would take you seriously if you do that

Well, same will happen with LGTB people when (luckily soon) their presence is 100% normalized

[twin yarrow]

making the population accept somebody is not an easy thing to do.. especially if most of people are unfamiliar with what really goes on

[wraith cradle]

Yeah

[twin yarrow]

like, it used to be the time when religious people saw injured or disabled people as punished by the god, and thus deserving no compassion

[wraith cradle]

I was espousing a fact where artist feel forced to overshoot their representation as we are in sensitive times

Same happened with black people, natives, disabled.......

[twin yarrow]

and now in my country, for example, heavy soviet legacy made most people believe, that people can choose their gender at will, and homosexuality is a bad thing to commit

also, prison culture doesn't help

[wraith cradle]

Certain media that now are seen as representative will be seen as excessively patronizing in the future

[twin yarrow]

and now we are considered one of the least LGBTQ-friendly countries in the world

[twin yarrow]

^^

[wraith cradle]

LGTB people in 100 years will ask themselves if in 2020 people saw transexuals as people you needed to treat as kid gloves to not offend them AND THAT'S GOOD

Because that means we have moved on of transphobia

We must be more regressive that our descendants (I know that comes out weird) but you know what I mean

[twin yarrow]

well, at least, same soviet legacy pretty much solved racism and sexism as an issues, long before in most countries..

[wraith cradle]

Yeah

[twin yarrow]

i grown up already knowing that it's unnatural and weird to judge about people by their skin colour or chromosome setup

in the middle of last century it was not that obvious, however

but we moved past that

same will happen with queer people eventually

what was my point again..

i mean, most modern games don't even let you go past M/F option

and everything is bind to that, voice, appearance, pronouns, everything

here with CP77 we have at least something that moves beyond that

yes, it is not perfect

[wraith cradle]

My conclusion is: We are in a era where queer representation in Media isn't done totally right and people in the future will cringe at our movies and games.

[twin yarrow]

there can be much more

someday we will see a slider instead of a switch in every of that options

but.. excessive hatred towards those who tries, but failing.. is not right

[sharp raft]

In Cyberpunk 2077 there's one option per orientation unless bi

[twin yarrow]

yes, and it's a disappointment

[sharp raft]

And there's like 5 girls and 2 guys as possible love interests

[twin yarrow]

my friend wanted to romance a cute guy, but game didn't offered much to choose from, alas

[sharp raft]

(love interest being loosely used here because a few are just quick flings)

[wraith cradle]

In Greedfall did it best. Your companions were:

-A straight man.
-A bisexual man.
-A straight woman.
-A bisexual woman.
-Your Uncle.

[twin yarrow]

well, if we count true romance options, there are even less than that

[sharp raft]

Yeah, I heard that the male love interest for men doesn't really appeal to GB men, and male love interest for women isn't really appearing for straight/bi girls

I think it should've gone two love interests for straight, two for gay, which would make 4 possible for bi for each gender

[wraith cradle]

To be honest, I'm against making all companions bi. It makes them less like love interest and more like, everyone wants to shag you

[sharp raft]

Like, if my protagonist grew up on the streets, I don't think they'd have the same tastes as a corpo

[twin yarrow]

just less strict requirements would be nice

[wraith cradle]

I want characters to have the agency to reject you

[twin yarrow]

well, mods can fix that

[wraith cradle]

Like again Mass Effect did it great

Each character having a different orientation

And just because you are Shepard doesn't mean they gonna make an exception for you

Am I explaining?

[sharp raft]

But cyberpunk needed more options for love interests and better choice in men

[wraith cradle]

The fact you couldn't romance Jackie is an insult

Gimme the Mexican Hunk

[sharp raft]

At that point, you're not really choosing your love interest, just going on a predefined path

[twin yarrow]

my friend liked Jackie, actually.. even though she is a corpo

that's the problem, there is no choice for now

well, as long as you're okay to play as a character, that doesn't represent yourself

[wraith cradle]

I mean they are actually friends from the beginning in the corpo lifepath

[twin yarrow]

she said, that maybe she would like to see him as someone closer.. ||and possibly save him||

well

still, that's four already, more than in Witcher 3

ME was great in that aspect, but it was much more story-oriented, and also somewhat linear

[wraith cradle]

I knew he ||Was gonna die the moment he appeared. The Big Guy Fatality syndrome is a thing for a reason.||

[twin yarrow]

here we have an open world..

[wraith cradle]

Gotta go. Bye

[twin yarrow]

my friend knew ||he is gonna die the moment she saw one of the early trailers for the game||

good luck then

so.. point was, you can't please everyone

as much as PR department would like to make it up

[wraith cradle]

Before going

It's what I'm saying the larger than life mass of muscles is ALWAYS the first to go

[twin yarrow]

yep.. shame

[wraith cradle]

Recent example ||Xenoblade Chronicles 2||

[twin yarrow]

interesting, how at some point writers tried to move away from cliches so much, that created opposite cliches

[wraith cradle]

Plus ||All Danganronpas||

You can argue is a logical result of their personalities

Being the team Dad means you are the first to choose to sacrifice yourself to save the rest of your team

[twin yarrow]

good point

[wraith cradle]

To be honest now CP77 is out I'm missing my favourite eurojank Game

I hope they announce ELEX 2 soon

[eager hamlet]

I just hope people wont forget about what CDPR did when they announce Witcher 4

There need to be consequences for atrocious working conditions

But yeah, game looks to be "bigger but emptier Deus Ex, only a lot buggier"

I really hope we get another Deus Ex

[wraith cradle]

Some will forget, some will not, some won't care

The nature of life

Anyone here played ELEX?

[rancid cove]

tbh my favorite eurojank game is probably STALKER

[wraith cradle]

Does Metro counts?

[rancid cove]

fun fact! i've never actually seen a Metro game played, so i have no idea

god i hope STALKER 2 is still eurojank and doesn't just try to be Spooky Cawadoody

[twin yarrow]

i'm hearing that for the first time, did i missed something?

afaik, they said long ago, that Witcher 3 is the last part

[eager hamlet]

Did they?

[twin yarrow]

yes?

[eager hamlet]

I figured theyd make a fourth one, since they like money so much

Well, in that case replace witcher 4 with whatever their next project is

[rancid cove]

i can't imagine them not making another witcher game now that the netflix show is getting a second season

[wraith cradle]

Honestly, as much of a prick Sapwosky is I'm starting to sympathyze with him

[twin yarrow]

well, Cyberpunk is their next project, technically, but it was announced long before Witcher 3

[wraith cradle]

In fact the first Metro Game was made in miserable conditions

They were an Indie company working on a VERY cramped studio with old computers and barely functioning AC

Then Metro made it big

[twin yarrow]

basically that's how that happened, yeah

it's actually somewhat easier to catch the right feel of postsoviet space, when you live in similar conditions irl.. only not postapocalyptic

[wraith cradle]

I mean, eastern europe has been basically shafted on popculture

[twin yarrow]

add to that actually good script, despite the debatable original book, nice narrative, good quality gameplay, and there you go

[wraith cradle]

Yeah Metro is a special case where the adaptation is better than the original

Still, it feels weird seeing Ucranians making a game about heroic russians

[twin yarrow]

it is, actually

even before 2013 and all that

[wraith cradle]

Well, Metro Exodus moves from that tho

[rancid cove]

https://spritecranberryofficial.tumblr.com/post/637411465495740416

[twin yarrow]

also weird, that STALKER series is so popular in Russia, even though it's about Ukrainians and takes place in Ukraine

[wraith cradle]

As it's in the protagonists going on a Eastern European Oregon Trail

When you are not American you get what you can on getting represented

Even if peripherically so

[dire condor]

Let's be honest, it's still usually white Americans then, too.

[wraith cradle]

I guess

That's why BP was such a good hit

[twin yarrow]

what's BP again?

[wraith cradle]

Black Panther

[twin yarrow]

ah, right

[wraith cradle]

To be honest on videogames Black people are more represented than in movies

[dire condor]

You're right.

[wraith cradle]

The second most sold videogame on history? Black Protagonist

[twin yarrow]

GTAV?

[wraith cradle]

Yes

The thing is you can argue videogames have a much more equitative world representation because Hollwood doesn't have a monopoly there

So it's not only White Californians who make movies

[twin yarrow]

pretty much, yeah. even though there are three of them, sitll Franklin feels like a main one, and it's his story

[dire condor]

Oh, hey, you beat me to the punch on that.

[wraith cradle]

The game starts and begins with him

[dire condor]

Ends?

[twin yarrow]

and ends, yes

[wraith cradle]

It's his choice who lives and who dies

The ending depends solely on Franklin choice

[twin yarrow]

also the game is giving a glimpse on how most african americans live today, what their life looks like, even though it does it in a usual satirical way

also not exactly a close theme to Hollywood

where everyone is successful and well

[lofty pecan]

what are some highlihgts of annapura interactive games? already set to get edith finch, journey, kentucky route zero, gone home during winter sale

[rancid cove]

did they do Observation? because if so: Observation

[quartz latch]

Gorogoa all the way!

(but mostly Kentucky Route Zero, which is the best) ...did they get Journey? They're really hogging all the cool indies, huh

[lean junco]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/483254119126007808/787563052882984990/unknown.png

[lofty pecan]

What faction r u?

[rancid cove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/509725105040130058/787797062020366346/image0.png

[dire condor]

Wait what

[quartz latch]

Me when "hey, the first three characters they've shown for this rpg are kind of endearing, I wonder wh- 🍰 -it's a league of legends spinoff"

[rancid cove]

https://twitter.com/PCGamesN/status/1337879903224516608?s=20

PCGamesN (@PCGamesN)

#TheCallistoProject is a new survival horror from the creator of #DeadSpace, and it takes place three centuries into the future of the #PUBG universe https://t.co/be29tsXE0p

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Twitter · Dec 12, 2020, 10:00 PM

listen. i can't talk about league anymore. they just released a champ who is my amigara fault hole

custom built to pander to me personally

[rancid cove]

hey check this out https://store.steampowered.com/app/1368030/ANNO_Mutationem/ https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/492801708909658122/787807517560274984/unknown.png

Steam

ANNO: Mutationem

Enter our world!Welcome to the neon-covered, 2D-meets-3D Cyberpunk world of ANNO: Mutationem. In this Action-Adventure game with RPG elements, you become Ann: a highly-skilled combat-trained lone wolf on a personal mission in a giant Metropolis, full of sinister mega-corporations, mysterious fringe groups and creatures more bizarre than words ca...

Release Date

2021

▶ Play video

[fallen sky]

that's a cute looking game

[rancid cove]

and also: illegal!

[fallen sky]

stylish yet illegal game

[dire condor]

Illegal?

[twin yarrow]

i guess bc of SCP trademark

[mortal siren]

hows that lawsuit going?

[rancid cove]

i couldn't find any creative commons license acknowledgments on the steam page, lmk if u have any more luck

[rancid token]

I can't load the page, are they saying something like "in the SCP Universe" or something like "inspired by the SCP Foundation"

[rancid cove]

nope! just putting it right on in there

[humble dust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/676201963918196759/787831435800477737/dx8Djh5_MqG52zHM.mp4

they better not patch this out

[rancid cove]

what, the flailing arms?

[mortal siren]

no, he jumping as fast as super running in saints row 4

[stable kindle]

[chanting] ruined king ruined king ruined king

[rancid cove]

i have Gomplicated Felines about ruined king's cast

mostly "i get why yasuo and ahri are in it, but boy do i wish they weren't"

like hey! it's bilgewater and you already pulled mf! give us graves and tf too!

or hey! it's the shadow isles! give us lucian and senna!

but yasuo and ahri are the most popular male and female champs respectively, so The Almighty Dollar decreed it must be so

[dire condor]

That doesn't sound complicated, that sounds normal and justified that you want them to make a good product.

[rancid cove]

i mean, that's one aspect

[dire condor]

"Hey, these characters in this plot make no sense with the narrative."

[rancid cove]

there's also the whole "riot as a company sucks more than average, but also, there are some actual artists working there trying to create cool characters and tell interesting stories"

like, seraphine's marketing was downright predatory

even if we choose to believe she wasn't based on a real person without their consent

[stable kindle]

i mean theres just as much evidence she wasnt, the whole thing was a huge team project

all of the artists and creators involved in the seraphine and kda campaigns this year have been posting the works they were involved on over the past week or so, there were a ton of people that worked on seraphine content. so im inclined to believe those accusations were an unfortunate coincidence. how it all was handled, seraphine's twitter especially, is another matter entirely

[rancid token]

She's also just mechanically uninteresting as well

[stable kindle]

shes just there lmao my interest goes as far as funny group dynamic fan content and thats about it.

i know everyones all rip sona about it but theres a new pentakill album coming next year so 👀

[wraith cradle]

Also the game is called ANNO

Lol I had it wishlisted already wtf

[twin yarrow]

oh, i thought, it's from the actual sereis lol

[humble dust]

why would i be talking about anything other than the bhopping

[wraith cradle]

Does that looks remotely like ANNO to you?

[twin yarrow]

no, but what if it's a spinoff in the universe

[wraith cradle]

Mate

[twin yarrow]

sorry for late answer.. basically, the commission from the federal antimonopoly department found the violation of law in Duksin's actions.. he got a warining and a writ to resolve the violation by himself. it was said, that later he should provide proof that it's resolved, but that should've been done by 10 of November, but nothing else is known for now.. people jokingly consider Duksin as a neutralized keter

[mortal siren]

kek, at least the community funding actually solved the problem

[twin yarrow]

tldr, it ended well, but noone sure if completely

[rancid cove]

man, look, i get it's older than you are, but in morrowind you had an increasable stat that controlled your movement speed and jump height, that could've been something they built the game to allow you to do

do i smell like the kind of person who's actually going to play this trash?

[eager hamlet]

The "based on a real person" thing ended up being most likely false

A lot of things didn't line up

Anyway, I dont think Yasuo and Ahri are there just because of popularity

[rancid cove]

oh they 150% are

[eager hamlet]

I'd argue theyre there to have some variety in the cast

Now them specifically might be popularity

But there is an issue where too many Bilgerats would've lead to major overlap

[rancid cove]

overlap of what

[eager hamlet]

Archetypes

If you take a look at them, Ahri is the mage, Braum is the protective tank, and Yasuo is the fast swordsman

There is no Bilgewater analogue for any of those 3 that would make any sense (Nautilus could be the tank but uh, lots of reasons why that doesnt work)

[rancid cove]

why do those.............need to be there

it's a jrpg

[eager hamlet]

Precisely because its a jrpg is why they need to be there

JRPGs love their archetypes

Especially turn-based ones

If anything Id argue its not Yasuo and Ahri that are the weirdest in the cast

Its Braum

[rancid cove]

he's there to be illaoi's boy toy

[eager hamlet]

Like, Yasuo is a vagabond who wanders aimlessly

Him eventually being in bilgewater seems perfectly reasonable

But Braum?

Braum is a semi-mythical figure in Freljordian folklore

[rancid cove]

lucian and senna are explicitly inextricably bound to the shadow isles by their storyline

yasuo and ahri are 100% cash grab popularity picks

[eager hamlet]

And they would both fall into the niche that MF already occupies

But yeah, the 3 non-BW champs were added for the sake of archetypes, and of those, Braum is the odd one out

Anyway Riot as a company sucks, but a lot of Rioters are cool people

[rancid cove]

look, if you can't grasp that yasuo and ahri are there JUST to move copies b/c of popularity, that's your problem, it's not worth having a whole conversation about

[eager hamlet]

I asked the former lead narrative writer for LoR a few things about Viktor and she was very nice and helpful

Let me repeat

[rancid cove]

the point is, riot sucks a whole lot in a bunch of big ways and this game is their first foray into actual interactive storytelling and it sucks that it comes so soon after they beefed it so big with seraphine

[eager hamlet]

The fact that the chosen people to represent those archetypes are those 2, sure, you could argue its because of popularity

The fact that they included those archetypes

And the fact that those archetypes couldnt be filled with Bilgerats

Is not

Take away popularity, and you still would've had those 3 archetypes, and they still would've been filled by outsiders

Even if that may have been, idk, Taliyah, Fiora and Leona instead

[rancid token]

I think filling those with specifically those characters is a popularity play, but I agree that they shouldn't be Bilgewater natives

For the mentioned reasons

League very much has a Gen 1 Pokemon problem, where the same 6 or so champs get a majority of the marketing push

[rancid cove]

there are, what, 115? champs who come from neither bilgewater nor the shadow isles that they should've chosen from before yasuo and ahri

this is the first time illaoi's been animated outside of skins

like, she's i think the least popular champ in terms of fanworks

[eager hamlet]

I mean yeah, capitalism

Nah

Illaoi is like, low mid-tier

She aint Gragas

[rancid cove]

i'm delighted to see her in the first spinoff game, but it's a major deviation from previous publicity patterns

[rancid token]

I'm shocked Jinx isn't there in some capacity

[rancid cove]

isn't she starring in Arcane

[eager hamlet]

Same reason, archetypes

She would fill the same niche as MF

Wouldn't make sense

Yeah she is one of the protagonists of arcane

[rancid token]

Sure, but you can have multiple characters in the same role

[eager hamlet]

You can, yes, but if I recall correctly, Battlechasers didn't

They stick to the one-per-archetype formula

[rancid token]

Is this the Battlechasers team?

[eager hamlet]

Yep

Its basically the same engine

[rancid token]

Makes sense

[eager hamlet]

Only small alterations to gameplay

But yeah, Riots a company, theyre going to advertise what makes the most money

Same reason we've had so much K/DA

Its a bit lame as someone who prefers some of the less popular champions, but what can you do

[wraith cradle]

I really hope the devs learned from Battlechasers

[eager hamlet]

What was the issue with Battlechasers?

[wraith cradle]

Grindy af, no group exp, too much backtracking

[eager hamlet]

Also Anno Mutationem looks neat

A bit like ICEY

[polar dragon]

I kinda like Seraphine, does this mean that I am the prey?

[rancid cove]

https://spritecranberryofficial.tumblr.com/post/637430005847162880

[sharp raft]

idle games get boring quickly

I like big numbers, but there's not that much strategy involved in an idle game

[twin yarrow]

idk, i used to make calculations with excel, at what point it would be better to invest in an upgrade, rather than just buy another making thing in cookie clicker

calculating speed and such, cps rates, possible expenses

[dire condor]

cookie cliicker consumed my life for like a week in October and I have not touched it since

[humble dust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/759192495782625292/787929049014992906/YUYEhQVAvO1uMSF6xg7Ml7ERy6mA9TxmTpbzB32d7c.png

this is definitely mfw (my face when) when the impostor is sus! 😳

[floral warren]

when the imposter is sus but in walmart!

[wraith cradle]

There was a Capcom leak

A big one

Resident Evil Village details (Current-gen release, April launch, Demo before release)

New Ace Attorney collection for PS4 and Switch (AA1-3 and DGS1-2 [First time on english])

Monster Hunter Rise on PC releasing October 2021

Monster Hunter Stories 2 on PC. Targeting June 2021

These are the important ones

[crimson crag]

are leaks allowed on this anyway?

also Ace attorney on ps4 w h a t?

I completely forgot about that series tbh

[wraith cradle]

Also new dragon Dogma

There is also a new Ace attorney on development

[crimson crag]

new dragon dogma?

isn't it the MMO coming out to west?

[wraith cradle]

In 2022

[quartz latch]

Wasn't that a few weeks ago?

The leak, I mean. I then heard people mention that it may be old news, as in, things Capcom planned to do and then maybe didn't do (like the Dai Gyakuten Saiban collection specifically). But I didn't really look into it so idk if this is accurate

[wraith cradle]

No idea

The details apparently came out

[eager hamlet]

The leak came out a while ago

September this year or so

Maybe October

But it looks to be legit

[wraith cradle]

Ransomware that wasn't paid in fact

[restive owl]

https://www.polygon.com/22167819/hades-game-of-the-year-2020

Hey, look at this!

Congrats, Supergiant Games!

[floral warren]

It takes quite the work to beat a nintendo game

[supple fulcrum]

“Hades” beat ACNH in characterization by a red hot mile. As a AC fan since “Wild World”, that was very disappointing. As much as I enjoy the customization in NH, the villagers are cut outs.

[latent bramble]

Invisible Inc.

2031 - Corporations run the world with brutal efficiency

You were part of a resistance cell called Invisible Inc.

They hit you hard, and now you're on the run

Using the only two agents who escaped, you must infiltrate the corporations and gather resources for the final mission

You are constantly outnumbered and heavily outgunned, so you need to be smart, and avoid confrontation by staying out of sight

[wraith cradle]

Yeah, AC plot is also getting weird and weird the part were Tom Nook ||led a Viking raid over the England KIngdoms|| really threw me out of a loop

[latent bramble]

Sorry did I interrupt

[fallow thorn]

You can also equip like 4 tasers per person then just tase everyone

[floral warren]

Lemme get this straight
A Turn-based rougelike stealth that has this metal gear story-ish that has a design similar to transistor?

[fallow thorn]

Yes

[floral warren]

and also short

[latent bramble]

Also the game is hard as rock

[fallow thorn]

And effectively infinitely replayable

[latent bramble]

And it has an active modding community

[floral warren]

and since it has some elements of power ups and hacking it's kinda a Watch Dogs and Dishonored

Basically every game I've loved to play

[latent bramble]

If I could compare it to something, it would be XCOM

[fallow thorn]

^^

To nx

[floral warren]

Gotta get my hands on it!

[latent bramble]

It's a turn-based isometric game with an emphasis on cover and a time-based campaign

[fallow thorn]

Its an indie game too so it's fairly cheap

[latent bramble]

But make no mistake, even though Invisible Inc. takes elements from the XCOM formula, there's more than enough originality to make up for it

[floral warren]

and isometric just like LoL SGGames!

[latent bramble]

There are hour-long tactics videos in this game, it is very deep

Of course you don't need all of those tactics to clear the game on the normal difficulty

I am just trying to emphasize the degree to which this is a deep, carefully constructed game

[floral warren]

But the main focus is stealth + planning

[latent bramble]

Yes

Like Chess, but fun

Also the voice acting is top-tier

[fallow thorn]

^^

[fallow thorn]

Also what?

[wraith cradle]

It's a joke about how people use the AC acronym despite two completely different franchises have it

[latent bramble]

The dialogue is also really good at dry humor
"Decker got himself captured again - something about a whisky bar and his big, loud mouth."

[fallow thorn]

Oh

What is the other ac

[wraith cradle]

Assassins creed

[fallow thorn]

Ahhhh

[wraith cradle]

The viking raiders joke

[latent bramble]

@floral warren Another thing you should know is that the game's music is also top-tier

Each corporation has its own theme to it, and the music changes and gets more intense depending on how heated the situation is

Plus the final level has its own dedicated music, which is a nice bonus

They didn't have to do that, but they did, and I love that they went the extra mile

[floral warren]

gonna wait for the sales!

and it's from the same studio that made Dont starve, so it'll be easy to convince them to play it

[latent bramble]

Plus, no spoilers, but the final mission is great at amping up the stakes

No matter how prepared you think you are, it is very difficult

[floral warren]

Got it!

Guess I really need to play it

[quartz latch]

I've been wanting to play it for a long time!

[sharp raft]

I'm looking forward to Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines 2

I never played the original but the setting looks fun

[wraith cradle]

Can we agree that's a mouthful of a name?

[rancid cove]

https://youtu.be/TKvodRmM35Y

[floral warren]

We have reached levels of Arkham knight Day 1 bugs

thats so buggy it ruins the freaking game play

[dire condor]

So I'm playing Dead Cells.

And this shop just rolled three Oil Grenades all with double damage.

[stable kindle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/357344472880644118/788137858241134642/Screenshot_20201214-141800.jpg

store page live on steam >:3c

[floral warren]

It is!

[stable kindle]

they just tweeted it about twenty minutes ago or I wouldn't have known 0:

[eager hamlet]

Neat

Shame its delayed from Q1 2021

[floral warren]

Hoping for an amazing story that riot is known for (and not that vague seraphine story)

[polar dragon]

Well this is more like League IP with third-party story.

But I like this MF better than the in-game MF

[rancid cove]

is riot known for amazing story?

[floral warren]

Right? She looks so badass and she means serious business

[rancid cove]

i'd say they're known for the complete absence of story

[polar dragon]

League lore is OK tbh. It's good enough to pass.

[floral warren]

the zed comic was cool

[rancid cove]

was it? huh

[polar dragon]

But Bilgewater is definitely one of the better written part of the lores

[rancid cove]

i hate zed so much that i purged the comic's existence from my mind almost immediately

[floral warren]

It revealed a lot of ionia and the relationship between Shen , Zed, and Jhin

[rancid cove]

jhin? damn, i might have to look into it after all

[polar dragon]

Ahri looks fitting in Ruined King setting

But Yasou? Really?

[floral warren]

I guess the game starts right after the Yasuo&Yone Cinematic, or is it?

[polar dragon]

Probably

[rancid cove]

yasuo and ahri are there entirely to sell copies b/c they're the two most popular champions in the world

[polar dragon]

I mean Yas and Ahri meeting each other and heading to Bilgewater

[floral warren]

How can you have a league game or a reference without freaking yasuo

[rancid cove]

i mean

yasuo has no connections to demacia OR noxus

[floral warren]

It's like how can you talk about Overwatch without Genji?

[rancid cove]

and that's the beating heart of the lore

[polar dragon]

Idk man, if Yasou is actually like anything in game, any ship they board would sink due to the sheer weight of that champion.

[floral warren]

Remember that Braum just left the poros behind (did he?) and just went : YEP, Mean face on!.

[eager hamlet]

Leagues lore was bad

But ever since the big rework in, idk, 2015?

And them hiring a bunch of really good writers

Its actually been really good

[rancid cove]

braum is basically paul bunyan, it's mildly surprising to see he actually exists as a human person at all

[wraith cradle]

Again, as long as the Devs have learned from their mistakes I'll be eagerly waiting the game

[eager hamlet]

Shoutouts in particular to "House on Emberflit Alley"

My personal favourite short story

[polar dragon]

I mean the old Summoner Lore with the Rift as somekind of prison is omegalul material

But since the retcon, it's passable

[eager hamlet]

Yeah that was dota-level story

[wraith cradle]

Also it's frigging hilarious both Battlechasers and this lol game are starred by a fanservicey female redheaded pirate

[eager hamlet]

Its why they reworked the whole thing

[floral warren]

C'mon , you don't want to appease to new players with that lore

You want something like : Here's a really badass savage bear that hates humans!

[polar dragon]

a fanservicey female redheaded pirate
MF is somehow even more fanservice in game

[rancid cove]

was the pirate redhead in battlechasers also not the most popular female character in the lineup?

[floral warren]

and he is badass in game!

[polar dragon]

I am fine with this version tbh

[wraith cradle]

Literally one of the few reasons people remember the franchise AT ALL

[stable kindle]

y'all: fan service
me: wistfully sighing at how cute sarah's freckles are

[polar dragon]

😳

[rancid cove]

tbh im more 👀 at illaoi

[stable kindle]

my friend too lmao

[rancid cove]

it's like to make up for the blatant popularity caving, they also threw in the least popular champ

[polar dragon]

https://imgur.com/imH3lPV

[wraith cradle]

Isn't That Yasuo?

[polar dragon]

Yasou is definitely not the least popular

[floral warren]

The more cinematics created about her, the more beautiful she gets!

[polar dragon]

ik, was reposnding to Albino

[floral warren]

oh

[polar dragon]

tbh I rarely see Braum

[rancid cove]

yasuo may be more hated than illaoi, but that's still more people thinking about him when he's offscreen than think about illaoi

[wraith cradle]

As an outsider I only hear people talking poop about him

[rancid cove]

have you heard of illaoi at all?

[wraith cradle]

Nope

[rancid cove]

i rest my case

[polar dragon]

that's the thing. He is popular enough to be talked poop about

[stable kindle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/357344472880644118/788151190726115379/IMG_20201214_151001.jpg I'm gonna count her freckles and compare them to the stars and kiss her sweetly

[wraith cradle]

That's a funny name let me tell you

It rolls in the tongue

[rancid cove]

i like it a lot

[floral warren]

do we tell them how ~~op ~~strong she is in game?

[polar dragon]

she is strong because people are idiots

here is a champ that works best when she is swarmed.
League player's bonobo brain: let's swarm her

[floral warren]

1.play top
2.farm till enough
3.join team fight
4.???
5.pentakill

[eager hamlet]

This version of MF is a lot better

Shame its not the default

Also Illaoi is far from the least popular champion

Id say she is just below average

[polar dragon]

I like Pyke in the trailer.
Others: fighting drunken sailors.
Pyke: ima 1v1 this Kraken real quick. brb

[stable kindle]

he's just vibing

[floral warren]

Pyke can now 1v1 tanks too?
amazing!

oh, he bought Botrk and went AS.

[polar dragon]

ah yes, the legendary BortK AS Pyke

Anyhow, more Riot Forge games would be nice.

[floral warren]

I heard they're making other champions available as a cameo

[polar dragon]

I love League but the toxicity of people really gets to me.

[floral warren]

been a few days since I've played it, I feel calm and idk why

I too love the game but even premades are toxic

[rancid cove]

turn off chat

cuts down on like 90% of toxicity

[floral warren]

It helped a lot

[polar dragon]

Funny thing about League is the game is designed to be a team game. But every high ELO people and 99% of players always emphasize on "solo carrying" the game.

[floral warren]

but the problem is within our group, sometimes I only play one game and then say "I'm out"

[polar dragon]

I mute people often and regularly. But the thing is, isn't League supposed to be a team game? Nowadays people just focus on carrying or lose mentality. That's my problem. There is no team in League.

[floral warren]

I started playing since like season 9
and my friends started introducing me into the game by playing.... that fing cat...

[polar dragon]

lmao

[floral warren]

see

[polar dragon]

that's cute

I played since Season 2.

on and off

[floral warren]

long time

my friends barely started season 7

[polar dragon]

in some sense i'm a "veteran" but my playtime is low compared to people who started at the same time. im only level 136

[floral warren]

huh?, How come i'm 210?
I buy passes so don't be scared

I don't play that much... or am i?

[polar dragon]

i'm not sure. it could be that the recent level isn't retroactive

but i haven't played much in the recent time

if it's likely that the level was recently introduced but didn't account for my previous playtime.

[rancid cove]

i've been playing since shortly after beta and i'm under no delusions that most of my playtime is for any reason other than addiction

league isn't even my second favorite moba in terms of actually LIKING the game

[polar dragon]

most of my playtime is for any reason other than addiction
Nah. League is super easy to quit. I did it 4 times already.

[rancid cove]

but the first got shut down and i'm done with blizzard, so

[hybrid jetty]

"nah bro I can quit any time see"

[polar dragon]

The correct mentality.

[hybrid jetty]

the correct mentality is to never have played league

[polar dragon]

Is this the OG DotA?

Cause I, erm, played that a lot

[floral warren]

at least they aren't out of content right?
proceeds to wait 69 days until news about overwatch get released

[rancid cove]

Dawngate

[wraith cradle]

I quit 7 years ago and never look back

[stable kindle]

I'm winning here in that regard

[polar dragon]

So you just watch League and don't play?

[hybrid jetty]

i feel like the less league one imbibes the better off they are

[stable kindle]

I will never understand gameplay lingo nor do I want to

[rancid cove]

league has the same problem every esport does: it's unwatchable unless you also play, and sometimes not even then

[polar dragon]

I don't play CS, I watch CS just fine tbh

[floral warren]

YES

exactly!

[rancid cove]

i refuse to acknowledge games with only realistic guns

[polar dragon]

There are more than 150 champions in the game.

League is no longer beginner friendly imo

[floral warren]

you'll never learn each single one of them

[stable kindle]

yes and I care about only a fraction of them

[floral warren]

I only play Warwick and Volibear (which is so simple yet feels like they have skill)

[floral warren]

and yes, both the old bear and the new bear

[polar dragon]

Lux/Kai'sa/Seraphine/Vi/Dr. Mundo best girls

[upbeat prawn]

League isn't beginner friendly because there is nothing friendly to it I stopped playing I freed mind and soul

[rancid cove]

yeah it's p much the only game i would actively encourage people not to try out

[floral warren]

Mundo gonna be the best girl next season!

[polar dragon]

Dr. Mundo is long overdue for a rework tbh, at least graphically

[rancid cove]

like if someone says they really want to try a MOBA i'll try to dissuade them entirely but if that fails i'd rather they play HotS than league

[polar dragon]

He has been touched up once since his release in Season 2

[wraith cradle]

Let them play whatever they want c'mon

A MOBA is a genre like any other

[floral warren]

learning it the hard way was fun, because back in late 2018-mid 2019 OW was soo bad.

[wraith cradle]

You end sounding elitist otherwise

[upbeat prawn]

Just any game except league 😂

[polar dragon]

I mean HotS is indeed a better alternative than League

But too bad it didn't get much traction

[upbeat prawn]

It's bad for people's health man no joking

[polar dragon]

This is gaming in general tbh

[rancid cove]

i've never actually met anyone who feels better off for having played league

[polar dragon]

There will be toxicity no matter what game you play

[upbeat prawn]

I've spended days of my life bring because I had a bad game at league or 2

[rancid cove]

and my best friend worked there for a year or two

[upbeat prawn]

That's why I play single players

[floral warren]

except here!
(bet you didn't see that coming!)

[polar dragon]

You haven't seen any toxicity?

Come duo with me, I'll flame you, for the experience.

[floral warren]

I'm playing with a Vayne main

I learned how to supp so good

[wraith cradle]

Personally the least toxic fandoms for me are the speedrunning based ones

[floral warren]

and I had the honors to play jungle

[rancid cove]

podcasts

there's a small overlap between the best gaming communities i've seen and the worst podcast communities i've seen, but otherwise it's a whole different world

[polar dragon]

The statement is generally true. But do you want to hear about speedrun drama?

[eager hamlet]

Idk

I played league for a long time

I barely play it nowadays

But I'd say Im better off for having played it

[floral warren]

@polar dragon see the thing that made me stop playing league seriously is because someone who quit league just said "here's my steam library, play and don't comeback until you've finished everything in it"

some of which were Witcher 3 , Bioshock and Dishonored

[eager hamlet]

On a sidenote

Good lord steam is the worst client in the world

[floral warren]

I have a pc that runs on One HDD, one hdd... beat that!

[polar dragon]

looks at my 100+ Steam games backlog

https://imgur.com/byh7AmT

[floral warren]

I said some as in "there's a lot of games I didn't thought of existing and being that good

[eager hamlet]

I mean HDD or SSD doesnt really matter

[fallen sky]

are there any good game clients?

[eager hamlet]

Steam, as in the client, is trash

[polar dragon]

Playnite

[eager hamlet]

Idk, Ive never had any work nearly as badly as Steam

[rancid cove]

what do u mean "clients"

[polar dragon]

Front end client I would assume

[eager hamlet]

A day where steam doesnt crash, freeze, slow down or stop working alltogether is a small miracle

[floral warren]

the thing is built on top of 15 years of code

[stable kindle]

I do not have that many issues with steam lmao

[fallen sky]

i lov asking this server questions and getting good answers in reply

[eager hamlet]

I envy you in that case

But yeah like, the EGS is barebones as hell

But in my entire time using it, it has frozen once

[polar dragon]

https://imgur.com/1LxNF5r

[eager hamlet]

And crashed never

[polar dragon]

This is what I use as a front end

[stable kindle]

like yeah we can all acknowledge steam needs a lot of improvements but I have never experienced frequent freezing or crashing with it

[fallen sky]

good taste in games there

[polar dragon]

It's called Playnite, it can aggregate EA Origin, Bnet, Steam, Epic, emulators, etc.

[eager hamlet]

I just wanted to play FFXV after taking a break from it to play TOCS4

Yeah again, I envy you

[fallen sky]

thaaaank uuuu foxhooooope

[eager hamlet]

This is the third PC I have

Steam has been utter trash on all 3

[floral warren]

woah , some thing like that exists?

[fallen sky]

the only other client i ever took notice of was gog but every time i boot it up my eyes unfocus for some reason. funny how that happens

[polar dragon]

I mean if you launch steam games, it will still launch steam client, but you can set up auto-close steam so except for a brief moment, you won't have to deal with Steam.

If your game is DRM free that can be launched via .exe file, you can bypass Steam completely even if you bought it on Steam.

Examples of this includes all SGG games, Crypt, Dead Cells, Darkest Dungeons, etc.

[floral warren]

I'm keeping EGS because my caring friend had transistor for a year in his account only to play it because I told him so

I told him about it and he went to the store to check and I tell him "It says that you own the game" and he instantly went and downloaded it

the other friend I had told him to "I'll play your game (which was Dark souls) if you played mine"

[polar dragon]

I'm bad at navigation so I hate Dark Souls

[floral warren]

good thing I have one!

[polar dragon]

Yeah I also have very few problems with Steam. But my Steam account name is stupid (teenage mistake) and I can't change that so I'd rather pretend my launch client is something different.

Also I don't like DRM as a concept. (Steam DRM is mostly fine, but principle is principle).

[stable kindle]

unfortunately I just had my 9th steam bday last month so I've been there for a while

[polar dragon]

August 8th 2013

Are there ways you can look up what is the first game you bought on Steam?

[eager hamlet]

Finally steam lets me play FFXV

Only took a bleeding hour

[rustic falcon]

click on your name on the top right, then "account details", then "view purchase history" and scroll all the way to the first game. mine is transistor :]

[stable kindle]

Uhhh short of just going through your entire purchase history? not sure, don't think so?

oh

hewwo alma

[rustic falcon]

hewwo

[polar dragon]

Yeah I found it. Thanks!

https://imgur.com/O5lBVYV

Civ V was my first steam game ever, 2 years after creating the account.

[eager hamlet]

Man, I have forgotten how to play this game

[polar dragon]

Honestly I hate Civ V

[wraith cradle]

4x I hate a hate-love relationship

Because I start playing and don't stop

[stable kindle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/357344472880644118/788165320920793108/Screenshot_20201214-160715.jpg >:3c

[eager hamlet]

The first time I spent money on steam was for a TF2 hat

In 2013

Then Portal 2, then Transistor when it came out

[polar dragon]

Bastion release was July 20th 2011

[eager hamlet]

Man remember when Valve didnt abandon TF2 yet

[polar dragon]

man remember when Vavle makes games?

[stable kindle]

No

[polar dragon]

Also https://imgur.com/4ellWHz

[stable kindle]

oo

wonder what my transistor date was, scrolls back up

not that I even got around tot he steam version LOL I played it elsewhere

[eager hamlet]

Yeah, nowadays Valve is focused on making money instead

Which is a real shame, because TF2 was cool

[polar dragon]

Should I total up the amount of money I paid to Steam

I'm scared lol

[floral warren]

Never went big on purchasing games, hence why is csgo in there and by gift code

[floral warren]

Never!

[stable kindle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/357344472880644118/788166838679896074/Screenshot_20201214-161317.jpg

😔

someone bully me into tackling my steam backlog (hah)

[eager hamlet]

I cant even get around to mine >.>

[polar dragon]

Play your backlog, or else

[floral warren]

Woah, I’ve had csgo since 2016...
Poured 500hours then left it

I’ve had a console back then which is why I’m kinda late to the pc world

[eager hamlet]

Same but handhelds for me

[floral warren]

Got my pc (which is a mac btw , just installed windows on it) it was mainly for working and watching

[polar dragon]

My most played games would probably be:

1. League of Legends
2. Starcraft II
3. Warcraft III (including Custom Maps and DotA)
4. Hades
5. Darkest Dungeons

[eager hamlet]

I mostly played stuff on PSP, 3DS and later Vita

[polar dragon]

oh League, how I hate and love you

[eager hamlet]

Hmm

[wraith cradle]

What page are you using?

[eager hamlet]

At this point its probably League, GW2, PSO2, Duelyst and some other online game for me

[wraith cradle]

RIP duelyst

[eager hamlet]

RIP indeed

Killed so they could hastily slap together a trash game to capitalise on the PS5 launch

[polar dragon]

I played Duelyst for a couple of hours with a friend

[floral warren]

Mines prob be like : OW, CS:Go, league, then destiny 2 and finally freaking MGS V and JC3 on ps4

I could’ve sworn JC 3 and MGS V is longer but w/e

[stable kindle]

now i wanna play starcraft thanks fox

[wraith cradle]

$2,644.37 spent lol

[polar dragon]

Starcraft Broodwar and Starcraft II Trilogy is great. 1v1 can be a bit competitive.

[wraith cradle]

Oh My steam account is 11 years old already nice

[twin yarrow]

best game client is no game client

you just buy a game, install it, click on the icon on the desktop and free to go

[sharp raft]

best game client is one without DRM

[floral warren]

Mine is 6 years... yet I didn’t use until very shortly

[wraith cradle]

My account I got it when they gave Portal 1 for free

So I made my first and only steam account

[fallen sky]

lol volus that's a very slavic way of putting it

[floral warren]

The first thing I did was to install a sonic generations demo...

[wraith cradle]

My second game was also a free metro 2033

[twin yarrow]

more slavic way is when you skip the buy part

[fallen sky]

[sharp raft]

Yeah, I think my first few games were free giveaway stuff

[floral warren]

I was a sonic fan back then, I still like some sonic games like mania

I play sonic mania like I play transistor , By the time I turn them off I see that I’ve reached very far into the game

[wraith cradle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/351166263772446722/788170274788212746/IMG_20201214_232701.png

Bruh

[fallen sky]

is troubleshooter any good

[wraith cradle]

I'm loving it

[polar dragon]

So totaling over multiple platforms, I sunked about $900 into games.

[twin yarrow]

if you enjoyed what you've got, then it's a good investment

[polar dragon]

Yeah, the funny thing is the games that I play the most usually cost the least

Indie games or... League of Legend

[twin yarrow]

same

[sharp raft]

I think I tend to favor indie games

[floral warren]

Barely reaching 60$ in league

And I’m waiting for the SGG sale to buy all of the games

[fallen sky]

i favour indie games because i tend to like their art more

[polar dragon]

I think I bought 2 skins in League for $20

[floral warren]

and get transistor on my own steam acct

[fallen sky]

their soundtracks are usually real nice, too

[sharp raft]

My favorite roguelites are the ones that are transparent with the synergies, like in slay the spire or hades

But I also like roguelites that are more resource oriented, more about survival

[polar dragon]

The thing with League is that you pay for the game by playing it, so people who buy skins have people to play with.

[floral warren]

Or gift them too

[polar dragon]

https://imgur.com/7wfZ5Ee

😎

Basically a steal

thank you SGG

[floral warren]

Oh well , nice chatting with you all
Epecially you @polar dragon !, it’s late for me here (1:30am)

[polar dragon]

good night~

[floral warren]

gn!

[twin yarrow]

good night then

i'm starting to think about bying nitro so i could use new Hypnos emote

[strong musk]

Hello there.
Can Turkish language support come for Hades?

[rancid cove]

https://twitter.com/ClayLoam/status/1337488664243277824

𝕃𝕆𝔸𝕄 ʟ5 💧🌱 (@ClayLoam)

just smuggled my ENTIRE GAME into this "video" embed tweet, enjoy https://t.co/tYhXidt2Ur

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Twitter · Dec 11, 2020, 8:05 PM

[coral forum]

Wait, what? What strange hackerman got this working?

[rancid cove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2nRW3wKnVY

[wraith cradle]

Did you saw the Dream's cheating accussation video?

Fascinating stuff

[rancid cove]

i heard about it secondhand

but tbh that was the first time i think i've ever heard of Dream, so

[humble dust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/759192495782625292/788206061874053168/78d.jpg

god i wish

armstrong has a phd in fighting white-haired katana-wielding edgelords

[dire condor]

Metal Gear Rising was a gift.

We need more games to lean into their premise with 100% sincerity like that.

[rancid cove]

it's definitely the best metal gear game

[dire condor]

I still want to give 3 a full and honest playthrough now that I'm not an idiot 12-year-old who doesn't understand the mechanics.

[rancid cove]

||tbh i just watched vinny's playthroughs for the numbered entries||

[dire condor]

The lore and universe of Metal Gear is absolutely fascinating to me and it's gated by a genre that has perpetually confounded me.

Eventually I'll get back into DMC3 (and I'll probably be purchasing 5 tomorrow when Vergil drops on PC), but stealth wrecks me.

[rancid cove]

i wish the gaming medium hadn't settled into violence-as-default-mechanics decades ago so we could have more, better stealth games

[dire condor]

Kinda same.

I'm much much much better at very direct forward progress.

[rancid cove]

it's what really appeals to me about Thief, the "combat mechanics" are such that it's very clear that getting into a fight is a fail state

[dire condor]

Even games that utilize stealth as lightly as early Assassin's Creed were frustrating.

[rancid cove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/492801708909658122/788210660235280404/unknown.png

[dire condor]

"it's like scrabble but worse"

So my mother is a speech pathologist, and every time we'd play Scrabble, she would take nearly as long as the rest of the board combined to make her moves, and she would win every time.

[wraith cradle]

What genre the new P5 is? A musou?

[median wigeon]

ye i'd categorize it as that

[wraith cradle]

Ok, the gameplay I saw I wasn't sure

[rancid cove]

https://twitter.com/IGN/status/1338665350657929224?s=19

IGN (@IGN)

If your only option right now is playing Cyberpunk 2077 on the base PS4 or Xbox One, we highly suggest you don’t play at all until its many terrible performance issues are fixed.

Our Cyberpunk 2077 PS4/Xbox One review: https://t.co/uJDM97KP4n

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Twitter · Dec 15, 2020, 2:01 AM

[twin yarrow]

their best option was probably don't release at old gen at all, and make a refund for everyone who preordered there

well, at least now they started refunding

[sharp raft]

And don't say it runs surprisingly well on old gen

[polar dragon]

My take on the Cyberpunk debacle: Literally 95% of all the complaints would not exist had CDPR not promise the game for older gen consoles.
Afaik, the game content is great, it's the bugs that drag the game down. A shame that the game is marred by technical problems, not content ones.

[dire condor]

Remember, it's scientifically proven that crunch produces worse work.

[polar dragon]

I bet the delay from Nov to Dec was for optimization for older gen stuff

[dire condor]

There's a noticeable but frankly unworthy (as in, not worth the time) increase in output accompanied by a dramatic and sweeping drop in quality.

[polar dragon]

it's ok, the Witcher 3 is still solid

nothing can change that

[dire condor]

I could be wrong about the increase in output, I'm frankly just hedging my bets.

Okay.

[wraith cradle]

Or, as the expression says, 9 women can't get a baby done in 1 month.

[polar dragon]

One woman can make a baby in 9 months. How many women does it take to make a baby in 3 months?

[winter yoke]

Oof cant post pictures here

[dire condor]

A test tube.

[winter yoke]

Hang on

https://twitter.com/PlayOverwatch/status/1338559632629960706?s=19

Overwatch (@PlayOverwatch)

Toy to the world!

Experience festivity as Toybot Zenyatta. 🤖

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Toybot zenyatta is absolutely amazing I will not be taking criticism at this time

[eager hamlet]

Well

[polar dragon]

reminds me of the Robot from Enter the Gungeon

[eager hamlet]

Even without the old-gen consoles

PC has a fair bit of bugs

And there are a lot of issues with the game itself

[polar dragon]

But it's not unplayable.

[winter yoke]

Oooh you're right

[eager hamlet]

Undelivered promises, lack of actual RPG mechanics and some of the worst AI specifically

[dire condor]

"Not unplayable" is a really really far cry from the supposed golden child that is CDPR.

[eager hamlet]

Yeah

Its basically a bigger but emptier Deus Ex with significantly worse AI

[wraith cradle]

Never meet your heroes

[dire condor]

Not that we have to hold any dev to a specific standard.

[eager hamlet]

Also and I know this is a complaint most people dont care about

But the non-lethal sucks apparently

[mortal siren]

i think they got backed into a wall, literally all sides are pressuring them after delaying the game too many times

[eager hamlet]

Also stealth is apparently bad too, but I dont know much about that

Eh not really

[wraith cradle]

Stealth is the typical of this games

They didn't get delayed that much

[eager hamlet]

They released it to cash in on holiday season

[dire condor]

So it's on CDPR's management, we already know this.

[wraith cradle]

Only 8 months

[eager hamlet]

Oh yeah Im not blaming the devs

[wraith cradle]

tbh I feel bad for the devs

[eager hamlet]

God knows they dont need need blame, given their atrocious working conditions

[wraith cradle]

There is genuine passion on some parts of the game

[eager hamlet]

This is 100% the managements fault

[mortal siren]

no im talking about shareholders, xbox, and the management pressures

[polar dragon]

Hype will fail. Absolute hype fails absolutely.

[eager hamlet]

Ah

Eh, maybe?

[dire condor]

I remember 7R being hyped for a very long time and so far it's delivered.

[eager hamlet]

Tbh idk how much of it was just CDPR itself, and how much was shareholders

[polar dragon]

or the simple fact that the game had EIGHT MILLION preorders?

[eager hamlet]

The remake you mean?

[polar dragon]

like come on people

[wraith cradle]

There are people on the net also asking Keanu for explanations and I'm like. You think Keanu knew anything about this before the Press made it public?

[dire condor]

Yes.

[sharp raft]

Yeah, I think CDPR management said something about not docking bonuses because it was management's fault for cyberpunk

[eager hamlet]

I mean, I have a couple small complaints

[polar dragon]

there is ZERO shortage for digital goods

[sharp raft]

Because apparently they usually give bonuses based on game ratings

[eager hamlet]

But yeah, 7R was a good game

It delivered what it promised

Most of my complaints are story-based

[polar dragon]

Hades is a good game that delivered almost everything. I think we are missing Cross-save and that's it?

[dire condor]

And most of those story-based complaints are deserved, probably.

Yep.

[eager hamlet]

Kinda, yeah

I mean Ill say this

I dont think 7Rs story is bad right now

[mortal siren]

that still doesnt correlate with stock prices and interests on the game itself, at least it wont be star citizen i guess if thats what u rly want

[eager hamlet]

But I worry that it might go in a bad direction

[wraith cradle]

To be honest the story on a game is the easiest thing to fix

Just hire better writers

[dire condor]

Oh yeah, I've talked about it with some friends and we're all worried it's going off the rails in later installments.

[polar dragon]

how is 8 mil preorders not correlated with interests in the game?

[twin yarrow]

fans: QUICK, RELEASE NOW, WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR AGES!!
cdpr: you heard that, go to work
devs: ok, we'll do whatever we can and even more (like if we had a choice)
fans: JUST STOP OVERWORKING, IT'S AWFUL FOR YOU, EITHER STOP OR RELEASE!!
cdpr: sorry, but we're releasing, we don't care it's unplayable
devs: okay
fans: WHY IS YOUR GAME SO BUGGED AND AWFUL, WTH IS WRONG WITH YOU
cdpr: there go our money
devs: there goes our reputation. told you we need more time

[eager hamlet]

Though some things were already dumb, like ||Sephiroth appearing way too early||

[polar dragon]

the devs take your money and now they are pressured to release the game early before gamers cry foul

[sharp raft]

Games usually hire cheap writers tho

[eager hamlet]

I know this is merely topic-adjacent, but

[mortal siren]

some people can demand refunds lol

[sharp raft]

I thought the stockholders wanted to rush release because it's the holiday season

[eager hamlet]

My personal hope is that ||it turns out Aerith was lying about the arbiters||

There are clues for that, and it would be a twist that is both justifiable, and could lead into a really interesting story

[wraith cradle]

My personal hope is that The apocalypse still happens

[eager hamlet]

My worry is that ||theyre playing it completely straight, and everything is as described||

[polar dragon]

I appreciate the spoiler and all but this one isn't helpful

[wraith cradle]

I wanna fight the ||Ultima weapons||

[polar dragon]

the convo turns a 180 and I didn't expect that kind of spoiler here lol

[eager hamlet]

Oh uh

I did say "this is merely topic-adjacent"

Sorry

[mortal siren]

whos aerith

[eager hamlet]

FF7 character

[polar dragon]

it's ok. i only vaguely know about FF7 anyhow

[wraith cradle]

FF7R got a reverse cyberpunk people hated it on release because the plot but now the heads are calmer people are much happier with the game

[mortal siren]

oh remake changed the story i assume

[eager hamlet]

A little, yes

I dont think people ever hated FF7R

More that they were mixed on the story, which they still kinda are

[mortal siren]

nah, ppl like the remake a lot

[wraith cradle]

Bruh I've seen it myself

[twin yarrow]

speaking of SC, it's ironic that it's in more playable state now, than CP.. even with critical mechanics missing and little to no optimization..

[polar dragon]

people hated TLOU2 and here we are

[twin yarrow]

and almost nothing to do

[polar dragon]

as in, people still hate TLOU2 xD

[sharp raft]

It's very cool that a blind person can play TLOU2 with no assistant

[mortal siren]

cant wait for its beta

[sharp raft]

It definitely deserved the accessibility award

[mortal siren]

kek

[polar dragon]

true this is true

[wraith cradle]

Lol don't exaggerate Star citizen is yet in pre alpha levels

[sharp raft]

I haven't actually played it so maybe the story sounds better in context but from what I know, the story sounds contrived and like, people don't always make the best choices

[mortal siren]

i cant beleive people who defended tlou2 awards, calling the mechanics and audio design was so fantastic, like did they never played a video game before? tlou2 in gameplay mechanics and audio design is decent at best

[wraith cradle]

Only a small corridor of simulated city few ships and a race module

[twin yarrow]

and you know what.. star citizen is actually enjoyable as it is

[dire condor]

Everything I've heard about the audio and video of TLoU2 is that it's master-class.

[twin yarrow]

cyberpunk is also enjoyable for many people as it is

[wraith cradle]

I tried it my last ten computer

Barely could run it

[twin yarrow]

i'm not saying that nothing should be done to fix the issues, no

[wraith cradle]

Thankfully was a free week

[mortal siren]

the graphics i can agree, audio design? totally not

[eager hamlet]

Wait

TLOU2 can be played while completely blind?

[mortal siren]

yes

[polar dragon]

yup

[sharp raft]

I'd like to see more studios try to use the fact that it's a game to incorporate into the story

[polar dragon]

although tbh im not sure about completely blind

[dire condor]

I don't own a PS4, haven't played it myself. But you're the first person out of many I've spoken to who has had anything less than glowing things to say about its sound.

[wraith cradle]

Are you enjoying the game tho?

[polar dragon]

more likely severe visual impact

[sharp raft]

like how in hades, the fact that it's a roguelite plays into the story

[eager hamlet]

If that is true, that is actually incredible

[winter yoke]

I still haven't played tlou2 but from what I've heard its great

[eager hamlet]

I thought about making a game that could be played blind before, but I didnt know if it was feasible

[hearty spindle]

Honestly part of me wonders if a lot of the backlash towards TLOU2 at the awards comes more from the controversies over it's story and general culture war shenanigans seeping in than anything else

[sharp raft]

instead of just having games ape movies

[winter yoke]

Waiting for a ps5 to get it tho

[wraith cradle]

Like you can go to a Cinema and go to a movie being blind. That doesn't you enjoy it

[polar dragon]

yeah they have auto aims, voice read out for game status (hp, armor, etc.)

[hearty spindle]

Though that's probably a talk for another server I guess

[mortal siren]

some of the awards was so out of place generaly

[polar dragon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWQcuBigOj0

More info here.

[wraith cradle]

The Question is 'Its an enjoyable experience?'

[dire condor]

That's a subjective question, Albino.

[twin yarrow]

TLOU2 is by no means a bad game, and some awards are completely deserved

[wraith cradle]

Talking about playing it blind

[twin yarrow]

but i's flawed nevertheless, and most of the awards make no sense

[dire condor]

That it is playable by someone with extreme visual impairment is a technical achievement that deserves to be lauded, which is what the Accessibility Award was for.

[sharp raft]

I don't know why Polygon said Hades was GOTY, while the game awards gave it to TLOU2

[wraith cradle]

To be honest I hope someone makes a game catered to blind people

[polar dragon]

Each journal has their own awards

[twin yarrow]

how about starting from interactive audiobooks

[sharp raft]

So like a visual novel?

[twin yarrow]

sorta

[polar dragon]

Golden Joystick Awards is different from The Game Awards, and that is different from basically every game journals' own rewards

[wraith cradle]

The problem is that games are 90% visual mediums

[mortal siren]

in the end guys, it dont rly matter anyways, we all knew which games we prefer, and the awards is just a big circlejerk anyways, so why would we care

[twin yarrow]

precisely

[hearty spindle]

Though it'd be somewhat easy to translate a visual novel and similar text-based games for the blind

[polar dragon]

why would we care
Because awards = exposures = more money for the devs = more games.

[wraith cradle]

You can also finish Pyre blind, too

[hearty spindle]

Translating a more complicated game like TLOU2 though, that'd definitely be award-worthy

[polar dragon]

Saying completely don't care about awards is also kinda cirlejerky

[lofty pecan]

im pretty sure half my league teammates are blind too

[polar dragon]

Can confirm

damn

[wraith cradle]

I care because I want devs who put passion in their work getting recognized

[mortal siren]

even bbeing nominated among the top is already an exposure, and even before the nominations, hades already being praised literally everywhere

[eager hamlet]

Ok, so the idea I had for a game that can be played completely blind was a stealth-game you play as a blind assassin

Because stealth seems like the most feasible game to be played blind

You rely on audio queues a lot already

[twin yarrow]

come on, we knew exactly, who would get all the attention long before the ceremony

[hearty spindle]

Unfortunately there's also a lot of money to be made from getting prestiage

[wraith cradle]

Hell, proof people take tga seriously is that we have began seeing Oscar bait games

[eager hamlet]

The trouble is, as always, navigating and level design

Thats a rude way of describing Disco Elysium

[polar dragon]

yeah, so we do care a little, just don't put too much emotions or attachments into it.

[wraith cradle]

Was thinking more Bioshock Infinity

[hearty spindle]

And much like the Oscars, the real winners tend to not be the ones who win the most awards, but whichever ones become the most remembered

[polar dragon]

I remember Moonlight

[lofty pecan]

the last of us 2 winning best direction and best action/adventure is literally proof that the game awards are rigged

[polar dragon]

Because of the La La Land debacle

[eager hamlet]

But yeah, blind stealth game could be interesting

[lofty pecan]

also suicide squad got more oscars than the shawshank redemption

[sharp raft]

Yeah, disco elysium said they'd voiceover everything and figure out some way so blind people can navigate

[wraith cradle]

Lol

[eager hamlet]

Just figuring out how to make navigation feasible is the tricky part

[wraith cradle]

Don't throw so much accusations

[sharp raft]

Among Us won 2 and it came out in 2018

[eager hamlet]

God Im so looking forward to the voicelines in Disco Elysium

They got David Mitchell

[mortal siren]

yea, making games for really specific criteria just for getting awards is very ingenuous, and some of the bait games that u can see as example is sea of solitude, which is an empty premise pretending to talk about spoopy mental issues

[hearty spindle]

Case in point: Fury Road gets nominated for a couple awards, wins only about 1 or 2 in the design stuff, but every still remembers it a bunch; meanwhile 99.9% of the people in this channel can't even remember the name of the movie that won Best Picture at that same ceremony without consulting Google for it

[wraith cradle]

To be honest I hope to see some cop show actor having a dumb cameo

[twin yarrow]

either that, or critics and whoever made the decisions have no idea what is direction and action/adventure, and just take whatever they liked

[hearty spindle]

Myself included

[eager hamlet]

I mean I do think it being rigged is a bit more plausible given how much they won that they shouldn't have

[mortal siren]

action/adventure not to be confuse with action

[eager hamlet]

But yeah its probably just critics being critics

[mortal siren]

[eager hamlet]

They have their biases

TLOU2 pandered to those biases

[lofty pecan]

a) its literally a clone of the last of us with some added combat mechanics, so how did it get nominated for best direction

b) its literally some generic stealth puzzly action gameplay which has been in games since goldeneye, so how did it get nominated for best action adventure

[wraith cradle]

Literally oscar bait

[hearty spindle]

...my point here is that Hades might end up being the effective winner in the long run

[mortal siren]

a) its even got crunch too, which clearly dont have the best director per se

b) yes its outdated mechanics is praised by its defenders like its the second coming of jesus christ

[wraith cradle]

At the end I ended up hating Twin Mirror

[mortal siren]

twin mirror is beyond broken mess

[wraith cradle]

God Dontnod has dissapointed me do much

[twin yarrow]

also, why did it get best narrative, when 1) it's literally the most significant flaw of the game, and 2) when there is Hades

[wraith cradle]

But the plot is horrible too

[dire condor]

||Because Joel finally got what he deserved||

[wraith cradle]

Amd the protagonist supposedly has a mental illness and I can't see which is

[mortal siren]

its funny that epic bought twin mirror as an exclusive kek

[wraith cradle]

Does he have split personality, autism, introvertism?

[mortal siren]

no he just talking to himself

or absent minded if u will

[dire condor]

Okay, pump the brakes.

[wraith cradle]

Also as I said before there is for some reason a writer in Dontnod who REALLY hates hunting

[polar dragon]

Idk about the Oscar bait narrative tbh.

1. Movies can be Oscar bait because the prestige of the Oscar (being best Picture, best Actress, Actors, etc.) means a huge boost to one's career.
2. The Game Awards carries nowhere near such amount of prestige.
3. Games are sold largely based on pre-release or on-release hype, not post-release. Check sales chart for just about any game.
4. So why would a game set out to be a Game Award bait? There is little financial gains there at the risk of not appealing to the widest of audiences (by being a "bait")

[mortal siren]

and mind palace is something out of sherlock holmes novel

[lofty pecan]

Can anyone recommend tell me why? Still havent started lis bts lol

[twin yarrow]

several people are typing...

[wraith cradle]

Like in both tell me why and twin mirror there is a guy who talks aloud about how horrible hunting is

[eager hamlet]

Ill be honest

[wraith cradle]

Fine and dandy. But both of those characters LOVE fishing

[eager hamlet]

As much as I like Hades, I dont think it should've gotten best narrative

[dire condor]

I think I'm with you on that.

[wraith cradle]

Same

[polar dragon]

Well, it didn't.

[dire condor]

Probably should have gone to Ghost.

[mortal siren]

i love the colourful characters in hades personally

[eager hamlet]

Oh the characters are great, but narrative is more than just characters

Like game direction should've been Hades, definitely

[dire condor]

In a more cohesive narrative experience, oh yeah.

[eager hamlet]

I can see a case of score and music for Hades too

[twin yarrow]

however.. the fact, that roguelite has a plot, and it's developing, and going on and on, with hours of story for everyone, is a significant achievement in the genre.

[wraith cradle]

I honestly think they planned to write him as someone neurotypical but failed miserably

[eager hamlet]

Honestly most of FF7Rs good songs are just slight remixes of the old songs

[polar dragon]

There is some merit to the narrative in the fact that it incorporates story and roguelites.

Rogue games aren't story driven as much as others.

Hades is different.

[sharp raft]

And why the main character keeps restarting isn't because of some horribly depressing reason like being resurrected by a whale who wants vengeance or a time loop

but simply because he's immortal and determined

[eager hamlet]

I can agree with that too, but I think that as unique as it is

[wraith cradle]

Crying Suns does it too

[eager hamlet]

It does cause friction within the narrative

[mortal siren]

the characters are memorable, and the motives of the characters are clearly define and makes us want to root for them, it keeps me engaged when we interacting with the characters, so for me, hades narrative is good enough for what it is

[twin yarrow]

like, if Hades was another RPG, like diabloid, it would have certanly pretty standard narrative

but it's a roguelite

[wraith cradle]

As does Everspace

Both roguelites

[sharp raft]

yeah, it's unique, in that you're expected to die to further the plot

and it lends meaning to his determination

[polar dragon]

Yeah. Is that enough for best narrative? Probably not, but it's worth commending, hence the nomination

[eager hamlet]

The pacing in particular in Hades, as a result of being a roguelike, can be, hm, messy

Oh I dont disagree with the nomination

I just dont think it should've won

[wraith cradle]

Remember the game must do something more than subvert a trope

[polar dragon]

Correct me if I'm wrong but it didn't??

[eager hamlet]

I think it was less tight than SGGs usual narratives, precisely as a result of being roguelike

Yes it didnt

[sharp raft]

Yeah, if you win too quickly, characters talk about how impressive it is you made it to elysium when you've already won the game

[mortal siren]

he just stating why he thinks so, chill out

[eager hamlet]

Im talking in the "what if" scenario of TLOU2 not getting best narrative

[polar dragon]

https://imgur.com/wlymMvm

[polar dragon]

No he says that Hades won Best Narrative and he thinks that it should not.

But Hades didn't win.

[eager hamlet]

On a sidenote, maybe Im also a bit unimpressed with this years narrative nominations after last years victor

No, I dont?

Again, this is purely what if

[polar dragon]

ok

[eager hamlet]

What if TLOU2 didnt win?

[polar dragon]

nvm

[eager hamlet]

I still think in that case Hades shouldn't have won

Like, its hard to follow up Disco Elysium