video-games

[dense kindle]

oh I see

the blue line goes up to keep up with demand

if you have a ton of solar power, your steam engines will consume less steam
less steam consumption means the boilers don't burn as much coal to produce steam

[fathom juniper]

[dense kindle]

so during the day, your solar panels are on, producing power. Your steam engines can take a break

[fathom juniper]

i thought they were going full tilt 24/7

[dense kindle]

nah they're smart cookies

[fathom juniper]

and only got power fluctuations when my consumption was higher than what they could put out

that's neat

[dense kindle]

the game doesn't have temperature or anything, so steam doesn't like, cooldown over time

so if you have a ton of solar panels, your coal consumption should just automatically go down, even if you haven't torn down boilers and stuff

[fathom juniper]

oh so THAT'S why i was running out of coal in those weird intervals earlier on

cause they were burning more than what my standard yellow belts could provide

which meant the boilers down the stack were starved of fuel and would shut down

[dense kindle]

btw the ratio of solar panels and accumulators should be 1:1 basically, if you don't want weird fluctuations like that

iirc

[fathom juniper]

and then the cycle would continue

[dense kindle]

yeah

[fathom juniper]

i just eyeball my power grid

[dense kindle]

your belt might be full of coal, but it doesn't mean that in times of need, coal will be able to reach the end

[fathom juniper]

yeah

[dense kindle]

it's just that it's backed up at the moment because of lower demand

[fathom juniper]

i really should start getting my energy some other way

either pumping some better fuel to my boilers

or go nuclear

btw - before i do that
can nuclear reactors... explode in this game?

[spice sentinel]

the most fun way to clear biter nests

[fathom juniper]

oh right - i think you mentioned that

[dense kindle]

yeah it can, if it's running

[fathom juniper]

but i mean like
can my nuclear reactor Dyatlov itself?

[fathom juniper]

oh...

[dense kindle]

nah they only blow up if it dies

[fathom juniper]

wot

[dense kindle]

oh yeah this is my preferred steam power block
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1349278289042346008/1430655175449641122/Screenshot_2025-10-22_at_1.32.41_PM.png?ex=68fa90f6&is=68f93f76&hm=6581cfa10943b6ed0650831b1e5a0a1597692e59c6d63fa3ee4455024b480345&

[fathom juniper]

yeah it's basically mine rotated 90 degrees

[dense kindle]

too bad the wires have to go in

I just wanna make a giant brick, game

[fathom juniper]

i just do 2x2, then one grid space, then 2x2 and so on

just enough to squeeze in some basic poles in between

[dense kindle]

like if you shoot it or a biter kills it

[fathom juniper]

oh you mean like that

[dense kindle]

they won't go into a meltdown on its own, no

[fathom juniper]

i read that "dies" as in "the power dies"

which is... kinda what happened at reactor 4

and that got me worried this game was getting a bit too intricate with it's systems

[dense kindle]

nah this game doesn't really have delicate stuff like that

[fathom juniper]

dude could you imagine if you had to balance your water and steam and graphite rods and what else they had there to keep this from stalling?

on top of everything else?

[dense kindle]

yeah I'm just gonna stick some uranium fuel cells into this reactor building and it's just gonna work

[fathom juniper]

and then you had to measure the radiation but your standard meters would go up to 3.6 until you unlocked a new tier of science to build a better meter

actually
that's a cool idea for a mod

[dense kindle]

never look up pyanodons

[fathom juniper]

you know what you just did, right?

the "quick! don't think of an elephant!" kind of a thing

ah

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/638031423340806185/1430661528985669893/image.png?ex=68fa96e0&is=68f94560&hm=fee79a6e50a2e585b30971e5896283a4a2666b6060421140195c7cacfffc6012&

i see

[spice sentinel]

u dont have to store nuclear waste either

[fathom juniper]

yeah

[dense kindle]

it's just an infamously difficult/complicated mod pack

"It took me over 700 hours to make my first red circuit in Pyanodons"
-posted 3 days ago

[fathom juniper]

well - i mean
"store"
just chuck it into a river, simpsons-style

Features
Fusion energy.
Complicated chains for helium, molybdenum, diamonds, vanadium, and regoliths.

i'm sorry i don't have a phd in this mod

at least the sprites are nice

[dense kindle]

"If Vanilla is '1' complexity, then:

Krastorio2 is around 1.7x

Industrial Revolution 3 is around 2x-3x

SE and Seablock are about 7x

Py is 30x"

one day when I have time I'll give some of these modpacks a shot lol

[fathom juniper]

nah this is too much for me

it's like one of those mario kaizo mods but for factory nerds

[spice sentinel]

i watched a Video about seablocl and thst was alrdy crazy enough for me

[fathom juniper]

i did the skyblock thing in minecraft back in the day

that was actually fun until...
me and my mate made so much stone we were able to make a stone bridge out of the endless void of the mod to realize - it's not endless

it's just a really big hole

and it's a regular minecraft world after that

so the challenge lost all it's appeal after that

[lost igloo]

"we tried an escape room and found out you can just break stuff and they let you out"

[mystic wave]

Cheated the game and himself

[austere wadi]

Longclaw acquired. Now Act 2 of Silksong can really begin.

[dense kindle]

lol

[lost igloo]

@fathom juniper you're the expert on these, know anything about this one?

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2195910/Darkenstein_3D/

Steam

Darkenstein 3D

Step into the chaos of Darkenstein 3D, a bullet-dodging retro FPS set deep behind enemy lines.

Inspired by the brutal pace of Return to Castle Wolfenstein and the glory days of late 90s shooters, this game blends secrets, explosive physics, and a story driven by desperation… and a dog.…

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[fathom juniper]

i've heard of it but that's about it

sorry

[fathom juniper]

there's so, so many boomshoots out there i just...

i'm getting tired of it, man

anyway
it's factorio time

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/638031423340806185/1430968691008212993/back_to_factorio.mp4?ex=68fbb4f2&is=68fa6372&hm=bb9fd967d0c66b1791fe05ec1e9f82bd0fd3d1428ecd587e02ede83b4c849d56&

hey @dense kindle
what's the best way of piping sulfuric acid to an uranium patch?

should i drag a pipe there or do it like in barrels or something

[dense kindle]

I just pump a pipe over

[fathom juniper]

does it need a lot of acid?

[dense kindle]

You could do a fluid train or cargo train if you wanna I guess

[fathom juniper]

like - i want to build an atomic reactor today but i have no idea what are the best proprotions

how much input is it gonna require
how much output is it gonna spit out

[dense kindle]

its a one to one ratio of acid to ore

[mystic wave]

use a good quality piping bag

[fathom juniper]

one unit of acid to one ore, right?

how much ore do i need to run a reactor

[dense kindle]

the majority of your ore will be turned into 238 so you'll want a ton of ore

[fathom juniper]

so i'll probably drain the oil patch i'm using for production

it's at 860%
whatever that means

[dense kindle]

oil is infinite

[fathom juniper]

wot

[dense kindle]

iirc

oil patches have randomly generated %

the % will be how efficent the oiljack on it will be

[fathom juniper]

so wait
if i use oil to fuel my boilers
that basically means infinite energy, right?

[dense kindle]

oh nvm % goes down over time

[fathom juniper]

yeah i'm looking into it right now

[dense kindle]

technically infinite but less efficient over time

[fathom juniper]

this is...
becoming a bit much, i'll be honest

[dense kindle]

you could just say screw it lol

nuclear is optional

[fathom juniper]

yeah that coal patch ain't doing so hot

i know i could just pump oil to my steam engines

[dense kindle]

Just do mass solar

[fathom juniper]

but that's gonna be more of a mess

also i wanna have nukes

[dense kindle]

Should just start with a bit of uranium production and mess around with it

You should have sulfuric acid on the bus so just route it down

[fathom juniper]

on a bus?

you mean - i should route pipes along my bus?

[dense kindle]

yeah

The wiki has a pretty normal list of stuff that should be bused

"-Several belts of iron plates, usually a multiple of four as that is the length one underground belt can pass under.
-Some belts of copper plates. You need about as much copper overall as iron.
-Iron gear wheels are seen on some buses as they take up half as much room than iron plates and see usage in a lot of recipes.
-Green Chips. You will need many of these to handle advanced circuit and processing unit production later on.
-Red Chips.
-Steel plates.
-Blue Chips.
-Batteries.
-Plastic bars (sometimes replaced by coal from which plastic is produced).
-Stone. Needed for production science packs and for stone bricks.
-Sulfur. This is an ingredient needed for the chemical science pack.
-Sulfuric acid for processing units.
-Water for concrete.
-Lubricant for express transport belt and electric engine units for the utility science pack."

[fathom juniper]

okay so i have most of those

stone is a bit of a problem

my patch ran out and there's a tiny one nearby but after that - i'd have to expand

i need some appropriate music for this build

https://youtu.be/LW9hwoaJXgw?si=-C_W_T2vbEDtU8Q5

actually

factorio goes really well with fallout radios

hoooooooo baby
105 SPM

okay so i'm in a bit of a loop here
apparently i need concrete to make a nuclear plant - and for that i need to mine stone
i need to make a nuclear plant to produce more energy but then i need energy to mine stone for that nuclear plant
hmmmmm

[dense kindle]

lol

[fathom juniper]

okay
so i've got a centrifuge, a nuclear reactor
and a neat setup to produce more

now i just need to cobble it all together

[fathom juniper]

hey @dense kindle
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/638031423340806185/1431006330227003512/image.png?ex=68fbd7ff&is=68fa867f&hm=76a6bd338a65900c6c336663b6f33122f3d30b797c13b35da5cab5451409078f&

you think this is enough centrifuges?

feels like i've been waiting here forever and i haven't found a single 235 yet

ignore that gorgeous solar array
it's temporary

I GOT ONE!

my precious!

[dense kindle]

it should be fine, you just need to handle all the output

a centrifugre needs 50 uranium ore/s

[fathom juniper]

does it?

it's maxing out at 20

oh god i need iron plates to make fuel

i really should invest in robots

[dense kindle]

Uranium Processing: 5 crafts per second, consume 10 ore per craft

[fathom juniper]

i'll leave that for tomorrow

cause i'm really gonna need some robots for this

unless i can siphon some from my sulfur plant

[dense kindle]

wtf
I got a zoh shia gem, arkveld gem, and steve gem all back to back hunts

[woven breach]

https://tenor.com/view/congrats-nice-happy-for-you-congrats-nice-happy-for-you-gif-1927193140186872022

[dense kindle]

ok now all I need is lagi gem for full omega set

[mystic wave]

Is the omega thing on limited time or it's always there now?

[woven breach]

normal omega is permanent

savage one is event

like extremoth

[mystic wave]

Oh no...

[woven breach]

dare I say, it's harder than extremoth

[mystic wave]

Personally Behemoth wasn't very fun with it's magic spam and stuff

Is omega better

[woven breach]

oh yes, everything is well telegraph

[fathom juniper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1364592532209533078/1431132776383381695/v15044gf0000d3sqs4nog65ms2ffpfgg.mov?ex=68fc4dc3&is=68fafc43&hm=44038a40ad4faf4d999c263ae7e4cc5308cc5ed4b6fd05e055005608fbc81da5&

[dense kindle]

as an event I think it's sticking around though, right?

there is a holiday right now so Fabius is available, I heard he's really good in omega

[dense kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/namazu-ffxiv-fast-gif-20316620

[silk abyss]

I started play dispatch

It’s really good

[fathom juniper]

i just googled it and got this:
"Dispatch is a superhero workplace comedy where choices matter."

kinda like pyre, really

[fathom juniper]

what's the gameplay like?

[thorny shoal]

it is!

[thorny shoal]

telltale style story-telling with a dispatch of superheroes management style inbetween. Like This is The Police but with supers

[fathom juniper]

oh

[thorny shoal]

first 2 episodes were pretty good

[fathom juniper]

i thought it'd be more like a managment-sim type of deal

[thorny shoal]

the main focus is more the story yeah

[dense kindle]

ex telltale devs

[fathom juniper]

ah
well good to see they found a new home

[vale narwhal]

https://fixupx.com/Halo/status/1981819824989720836

Halo (@Halo)

Touchdown! Hit it, Marines!
︀︀
︀︀Halo: Campaign Evolved drops in 2026.
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[hearty yarrow]

again?

again the first game?

lmao

how many times are they releasing CE

[vale narwhal]

As many times as they can to make the Xbox brand profitable again

(It’ll never be enough)

[austere wadi]

An infintesimal in Microsoft's Defense: At least this is a remake and not like Bethesda just rereleasing Skyrim over and over and over.

Boo on making a remake, make new art, develop new IPs.

[dense kindle]

why halo ce

[signal kayak]

It's the third release if we don't count the Master Chief Collection

Except this one IS headed to PS5

[austere wadi]

If we don't? Aw, dang.

[austere wadi]

That is noteworthy.

[signal kayak]

If we do, it's the fourth time

[austere wadi]

2001 (oh christ it's been twenty five years), Anniversary Edition, next year.

Okay, that's not as bad as I was thinking.

Sometimes I forget about the Forerunner Trilogy.

[dense kindle]

is there something preventing them from remaking like, the whole trilogy at once, or is it just that it's too much work

at this point it feels a bit weird to just get halo 1 again again again

especially since master chief collection is right over there

[dense kindle]

bro, 3 uth duna gamma tickets in a single hunt

and a plate

all in 14 minutes

[fathom juniper]

Dude I can smell the unreal engine on this thing all the way from over here

[vale narwhal]

No more unique proprietary engines

Only Unreal

[woven breach]

yea it's pretty... unreal

[dense kindle]

supergiant is gonna announce that their next game is gonna be in unreal engine, just you wait

[woven breach]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-bocchi-the-rock-kita-ikuyo-gotou-hitori-scared-gif-26979578

[grim cloak]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=BK6YrEYVJ4E&si=dW3eLKs4u4gwc2j4
neat looking game i found doom scrolling

[fathom juniper]

Noooooooo

Oh you take that back

Bugs be upon your factory!

[dense kindle]

its gonna be a moba

[fathom juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-gif-21922016

[ivory horizon]

Hades All-Stars incoming

[woven breach]

"Ever wondered who would win between Kid from Bastion and Melinoe from Hades 2? Wonder no more!"

"It's mel."

"Seriously, why would you even consider otherwise? He's a kid!"

[ocean iris]

anyone tried the Wildcard modpack for New Vegas?

[fathom juniper]

Folks

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/225916795008188417/1431552353814974474/IMG_5591.jpg?ex=68fdd486&is=68fc8306&hm=036792e5320de369ac6c1a894bd3af82c3f5528655ef88012370f5a6608ec9ac&

Im home

I found my place

AND they’ve got an entire indie wing and next to it a little place for some good ol quake 3 deathmatch

[ocean iris]

where's the Heroes 3 spot

[fathom juniper]

Actually

Well I haven’t seen anyone playing homm3 but there is CDA not far away
And they love homm3 there

[ocean iris]

it's their day off

[fathom juniper]

What

[ocean iris]

a pole can only play heroes 3 for so long without a break

[fathom juniper]

Holy crap I haven’t played proper lan quake 3 in ages

[ocean iris]

oh my god I should reinstall Titanfall 2

[fathom juniper]

I asked a dude running the stand if there’s any chance they have a mod called „urban terror” and he went
yeah, in a museum

Thanks, mate

[ocean iris]

BRUH

[fathom juniper]

Ayyyy
They’ve got hades 2 running on switch 2

Anyways
First bit of gaeming swag acquired

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/225916795008188417/1431561692726165596/IMG_8956.jpg?ex=68fddd38&is=68fc8bb8&hm=750b42585781d3691e6d0ebdf2dddd54f92c00ac0ce676762d6a4b5d18e44e94&

My wallets gonna hate me for that

[ocean iris]

may I ask what is that

[fathom juniper]

A lore book

All silent hill stuff (including movies ) up to sh4

[fathom juniper]

Lots of people cosplaying helldivers and, uh…

The Silksong bug?

What’s their name?

[rose galleon]

Hornet

[fathom juniper]

Ye

[fathom juniper]

There’s a figure of artorias for sale
15kg, all cast metal, about a size of a…
2,5 toddlers

For 5000

[mystic wave]

Are you a real artorias fan bim?

[fathom juniper]

Dude
Don’t tempt me

Im trying to fight it

[fathom juniper]

Ah, good old technical difficulties at a live game show

Kudos to the warhorse guy for being such a sport about it

[lost igloo]

I'd play the hell out of a SuperGiant 2d Fighting game

[fathom juniper]

so i...
just survived my first game trade event... thingymajig - the PGA

sure it's nowhere as big as pax or gamescom or whatever
but it was still pretty fun

totally gonna go there again next year

[silk abyss]

I’m very worried for gaming tbh

[dense kindle]

seems like same old to me

[austere wadi]

I'd like to hear why you think that. I think AAA gaming is in a pretty bad place, drive to maximize profits at all costs is hurting the art and encouraging other consumer-hostile practices, but it gets easier every year to publish games for small developers, and indie and AA devs are pushing quality higher and higher.

[dense kindle]

hm the reality for me is just that I play lots of games, whether it be very old, old, new, or very new. And despite everything that's happened and is happening there hasn't been a game that I've played that I've regretted purchasing/putting the effort into emulating

I understand where people are coming from when they complain about Halo CE, but I'm probably going to purchase it whenever it comes out, beat the campaign, and leave pretty happy, ngl

[fathom juniper]

i'm not worried for "gaming"
i used to be, but i'm not anymore
sure the aaa sphere is going through bit of a crash, but as long as we have access to computers and internet - gaming isn't going anywhere
whatever crap goes down on the big scene, the indies, solo devs, modders are pirates are always here to pick up the slack

hell - we had a bit of a talk here about a month ago where we concluded that we might be having an opposite problem here - there's so many cool games coming out it's near impossible to keep up with them all and quite a lot of them go unnoticed
which... isn't the worst problem to have, you know?

so i'm not "worried for gaming", but i do worry about people losing their jobs in the barely hanging on AAA spehere and even the middle market - which while on the rise, still has it's problems

hell - 3 years ago i was 👌 this close to being one of them

but that ties to general economic and political situation in the world too, sooooo...
eh

the less said the better

[dense kindle]

right now I'm juggling:
-Pentiment
-BallxPit
-Monster Hunter Wilds
-Battlefield 6
-Destiny 2(yes, still)

and I want to do another factorio save
Oh and also play in stars and time
And also play final fantasy tactics
As well as unicorn overlord
And continue my playthrough of borderlands 4

oh yeah bloodthief came out, I need to get back to that

[fathom juniper]

SPEAKING OF FACTORIO

[dense kindle]

oh and doom the dark ages

[fathom juniper]

yesterday i converted another one

[dense kindle]

oh no

[fathom juniper]

OH YES

i said that to a guy that got me into factorio and he just went

why tf would you do that!?

[spice sentinel]

im not worried about gaming, just stopped playing AAA games and went for smaller stuff which is getting better every year

[fathom juniper]

yeah

i mean...
what sucks is seeing the IPs we grew up with die, one by one, year after year

godspeed, deus ex

but yeah - i'm not worried for gaming as a whole

[dense kindle]

idek bro I'm actually enjoying AAA games a lot right now, even if I don't buy many of them

this might be the year I've bought the most amount of them lol

oh that reminds me, I gotta get around to playing the original thief games

gah so much to do

[fathom juniper]

especially not after chatting to a bunch of indie devs yesterday and seeing the passion and talent and just... weird freakin ideas on display

[dense kindle]

AAA gaming can't die until ace combat 8 releases

[fathom juniper]

meanwhile - when anshar studios (the new painkiller crew) were up on stage and mentioned how they got the licence from embracer - i could see people listening going
oooffffff

[dense kindle]

ouch

[fathom juniper]

that's middle market - sure
but still

[dense kindle]

wasn't the new painkiller game bad

[fathom juniper]

well i wanted to try it but the line was so goddamn long i didn't want to waste my time there

i did get to fondle the ROG xbox ally x... (a name so weird and clunky i had to now google it and come back here to edit this lmao)
...eeeh - i'm sticking with my steamdeck for now, thanks

AND!
and... i did play a little bit of metroid prime 4

it actually runs at 60 and looks great

[fathom juniper]

but yeah - as a lifelong painkiller fan
this one... ain't it, for me at least

[dense kindle]

oh wait there were demos for that?

cool

[fathom juniper]

oh yeah

[dense kindle]

the marketing for that game has been bad so far lol

can they please advertise it

[fathom juniper]

right?
that's why i was so surprised to see it

[spice sentinel]

I bought a single AAA game this year and i regret it, which is angiant pity

[fathom juniper]

also - there was one switch set up with hades 2 on that nintendo booth
there was actually quite a lot queuing for it

some kirby thing which i think hasn't come out yet?
i dunno i don't know much about kirby

[dense kindle]

rip

kirby air riders

sakurai's new big game

kind of weird to release in the same year as mariokart

[fathom juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/eh-meh-jim-jim-halpert-the-office-gif-25317293

[dense kindle]

sakurai's really cool

made a whole youtube channel after finishing smash bros about game dev

spent over half a million for the youtube channel and the editing and stuff

finished recording it in a few months then went straight back to game dev

[fathom juniper]

that's... a bit of a power move, not gonna lie

anyways
it's almost 8 am

the factory becons
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/638031423340806185/1430968691008212993/back_to_factorio.mp4?ex=68ff00b2&is=68fdaf32&hm=f61bfae6329cb0556d9e2690f335161de62255e1f7814da880d7e8dcc38db209&

[fathom juniper]

@dense kindle say - should i keep depleted uranium cells or should i just yeet them into the nearby river?

the bugs are gonna love this

[dense kindle]

you can make cannon shells with them

pretty good

also you can sacrifice them to do kovarex

[fathom juniper]

yes! it's working!
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/638031423340806185/1431927681326514296/image.png?ex=68ff3213&is=68fde093&hm=a1e85f7d1e2e5489998ac7600b3c333fdf2c72c2c6a4fd8c972bfa8d203837f3&

look at this beauty!

and it's self sufficient too - i've set it up with a little bit of logic (had to look up a guide on that) so that when the temperature drops down below 650 celcius and there isn't any spare fuel in that loop - that one inserter is gonna add some from the warehouse

it's producing 177MW of power so technically i'm 3 megawatts short, but
this alone is gonna last me a long time

[mystic wave]

Bim mama said don't play with depleted uranium. If you inhaled powder from it it'll do alpha rays on your tissues

[fathom juniper]

[fathom juniper]

uh
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/638031423340806185/1431985584158801980/image.png?ex=68ff6800&is=68fe1680&hm=768d8c85acb27e762c7c00641b2ad9adf140c3eeac906eb861cf288b0a3f4569&

help

[signal kayak]

Kaboom?

[fossil hull]

Kaboom

[silk abyss]

Just with console market being at risk is what I’m worried about

[fathom juniper]

oh yeah

[rustic falcon]

Pentiment is short and unforgettable. I recommend going through that before the others that I think are hundreds of hours of stuff to discover

I’m wondering where you are right now in the story

I’ve been on a big pentiment kick lately and people organized a zine with a bunch of fan art and writing about the game, which will be out in November. I’m excited to see people’s art

[dense kindle]

finished act 1

[dense kindle]

lol

pentiment is ok, I wish it had music more often

[junior island]

@subtle sable

ah hell i cant send it here

1 sec

[subtle sable]

you cant send images in general, you have to put them into another discord server and copy the image link

[junior island]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1126565981670625361/1365060470662234214/noita-20250424-225353-1974194472-00071045.gif?ex=68ff2be1&is=68fdda61&hm=91af9bfbe6dbb3ed1617d37eec7cc34c023b54c9da91ff35aaa570401d36c7e7&=

heres the clip

[subtle sable]

i have a good one like that

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/453998283174576137/904108282719899749/noita-20211030-191242-12469922-00002114.gif

[junior island]

what the awesome dodging

[subtle sable]

wops

[junior island]

would send my other clips but

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1083406633591382019/1432053721331798037/image.png?ex=68ffa775&is=68fe55f5&hm=5812896807312bd7b55cde2d0192666f58059e22266a2c494ce4870c9c24b621&

[subtle sable]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1394734947180482570/1432053716080529519/dzwahqguqes71.gif?ex=68ffa774&is=68fe55f4&hm=ecf834f36e816dde90c86210728b4924b522a0e4846593bbba07e47d870179aa&=&width=639&height=360

im a big fan of this one

[junior island]

oh what

[subtle sable]

https://i.redd.it/9bd8rehuqes71.gif

this one is also pretty good

https://i.redd.it/40v3q0euqes71.gif

man noita is so fun

wand building is imo byfar the best sandbox system ive encountered

[junior island]

true

[subtle sable]

https://i.redd.it/87qs6zfuqes71.gif

[junior island]

very nice

[subtle sable]

apoptosis perhaps

anyway if you havent i would suggest messing around with wandbuilding

[junior island]

i did mess with it

mist with thunder between projectiles goes kinda hard

[subtle sable]

my goto main attacking wand would always be some sorta piercing trigger

especially since add trigger gives you free modifiers

smth like
add mana, add trigger, piercing, homing, whatever pass through walls modifyer, random long lifetime projectile, damage, tripbolt or smth

easy reliable

if you got 2 add triggers you could do smth like

add mana, add mana, add trigger, piercing, homing, whatever pass through walls modifyer, random long lifetime projectile, add trigger, damage modifyers, tripbolt

since add trigger gives you free modifiers and everything else is cheep you could fire very high dmg shots indefinatly

[fathom juniper]

bruh @dense kindle

logistic and construction bots are insane

[dense kindle]

finally you see

Your frail fleshy body was holding you back

[fathom juniper]

my eyes have been opened

[dense kindle]

holding your factory back

[fathom juniper]

i learned the disgusting weakness of my flesh

[silk abyss]

Counter strike caused Russia to lose 4% of its gdp lol

[fathom juniper]

i need some more firepower though

[fathom juniper]

BRUH

[silk abyss]

That knife update did numbers

[dense kindle]

https://mods.factorio.com/mod/MechanicusMiniMAX

[fathom juniper]

don't tell me this is where i start screwing around with 40k

[mystic wave]

how have you NOT messed with warhammer!!

[fathom juniper]

by making fun of warhammer nerds

just kidding, of course

• inhales *

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/638031423340806185/1432075674683703357/image.png?ex=68ffbbe7&is=68fe6a67&hm=ac289d71fe465b5d7b003aa4a87069368773f82506b448bc538778b7b5677965&

i got stuck on a rock

tripped over a freakin pebble

[dense kindle]

lol

40k definitely seems up your alley

got quite a few good games too

mechanicus, rogue trader, space marine

battlefleet gothic armada 2

[mystic wave]

vermintide, total war

[dense kindle]

Those are normal warhammer fantasy, not 40k though

darktide is vermintide but 40k

[mystic wave]

yes cuz fantasy is better!

[dense kindle]

I flip flop on which setting I like better

[mystic wave]

darktide is a good game but the heroes of vermintide has infinitely more charm

and you get to shoot with flintlocks. flintlocks!

[fathom juniper]

hey @dense kindle
let's say i automated a production of construction and logistics bots

is there a way to deploy them right away straight from the assembly unit?

[dense kindle]

I think you can like, inserter them into a roboport

[fathom juniper]

dude no way

it's working!

[mystic wave]

whats a roboport...

[fathom juniper]

it's a port

for robots

OKAY JESUS

STOP THAT'S ENOUGH

HELY CRAP IT'S SO FAST THERE'S SO MANY BOTS FLYING ABOUT

i screwed up

things got out of hands

[mystic wave]

bim what did we say about ai

[fathom juniper]

eyy ayy this, eyy ayy that

eyy ayy ain't doing all this crap myself
i've got free labor force for that

[mystic wave]

thats a ceo line

bim

youre a ceo

[fathom juniper]

i've got that ceo mindset

i like those little work bots
they don't complain, don't ask for a raise, don't form unions

never get tired

what do you mean you're malfunctioning and can't expand the factory?
get into the smelter - i'm gonna turn you into wireless earbuds

man - this game is doing weird things to me
you guys were right

[fathom juniper]

but yeah
this is a roboport
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/638031423340806185/1432092791051255959/image.png?ex=68ffcbd8&is=68fe7a58&hm=928efaef380dc891c39ea458bcd0b3b53c1a9677aecf317f1f411c3277f642f3&

they're the backbone of your logistic network

[mystic wave]

you can move on to the next step where you run a power company that gets energy from poking at caged eldritch entities

[fathom juniper]

dude
few days ago i wished i could do that

[dense kindle]

there's never "too many"

[fathom juniper]

i now get why samuel hayden decided to invade hell for that sweet free argent energy

bet that was way easier than splitting the atom

[dense kindle]

also yes factorio makes you go from engineer that solves problems to a ceo that also solves problems

[mystic wave]

im asking you to play lobotomy corporation!

[fathom juniper]

*creates problems

[dense kindle]

both do that too

[fathom juniper]

yeah i had a full double belt backed up with robot frames
so when i turned this line on they all got used and spawned a crapton of bots at the same time

it was a bit overwhelming

[dense kindle]

you might eventually run into an issue where bots just hang out outside your roboport

it's because bots need to recharge at a roboport before they can go in

each roboport only has 4 recharging sockets

[mystic wave]

the housing market

[dense kindle]

well just like the housing market, just build more roboports nearby high traffic areas

[mystic wave]

why didnt we do that...

[dense kindle]

cuz reasons

[fathom juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-willem-dafoe-duh-duhh-obviously-gif-16794513

[dense kindle]

I mean, turns out people that own houses don't want other houses to be built nearby

also turns out that people who live in a high rise dont' want their pretty view blocked by another high rise

[fathom juniper]

NOOOOOOO

HOW DO I CANCEL ORDERS!?

@dense kindle please help how do i cancel bot work orders?

i told them to cover the entire factory floor in concrete and they got a bit too overzealous and walled me in

i had a port with a boat and now i can't leave

[dense kindle]

you just need to delete the ghosts of all the concrete

but there's gonna be patches everywhere now

[fathom juniper]

but to do that...
i need some concrete

and they yoinked all the concrete

[dense kindle]

yup!

[fathom juniper]

oh i screwed up bad
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/638031423340806185/1432102252071616622/image.png?ex=68ffd4a8&is=68fe8328&hm=ce0ae27cb290a0b00861f6961191e88c259303d97279aa2ea5ce3f59e03eb92d&

[dense kindle]

yeah

[fathom juniper]

what's the shortcut for cancelling that again?

right click doesn't work

[dense kindle]

you can do ctrl z if it was recent

[fathom juniper]

no it wasn't

i left them like that half an hour ago

they destroyed my boat!

oh my god i completely lost control over my creation

[dense kindle]

ok you can do this
Put deconstruct planner into your hotbar
Right click on it in the hotbar

or try just deleting everything, then quickly remove all the deconstruction plans I think

[fathom juniper]

yeah they just de-constructed my freakin car

oh this is a disaster

i genuinely lost control over my factory

[dense kindle]

lesson learned: don't paint your entire base in concrete until you're ready

[fathom juniper]

i was ready

i just thought that painting on water won't do anything
thought it would just go on the ground

[dense kindle]

nah it'll put landfill in

[fathom juniper]

yeah
they wasted so much landfill

and it ain't cheap coming from a single patch

[dense kindle]

so with the deconstruction planner, you can left click a patch, then shift left click the patch

that'll remove the ghosts

[fathom juniper]

look at this mess
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/638031423340806185/1432105249602277496/image.png?ex=68ffd772&is=68fe85f2&hm=54629e123226b66be0dad20e5b2958b13e8fd8508d7d663b7b3ae8e643179cd5&

my god

[dense kindle]

china in the south china sea lol

[mystic wave]

lmao bim this is amazing

you had this coming

[fathom juniper]

yeah...

wait wtf
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/638031423340806185/1432115080790540480/image.png?ex=68ffe09a&is=68fe8f1a&hm=bf1386a1ebd8f98a8d0fbd39eabe3aaf9b3108c2b23010a5d40fa08e7d32690a&

when did i get that?

how did i get 64 of them?

[mystic wave]

by landfilling the ocean

[dense kindle]

if you deconstruct over ocean, your drones will pick up fish

[fathom juniper]

QUICK HOW DO I CANCEL A CANCEL ORDE-

aaaaaaand it's gone

[dense kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-its-gone-gif-4104229

[fathom juniper]

so you know how when you use the deconstruction planner on a ghost thing it just disappears, but when you use it on a real thing it queues it up for bots to dismantle?

yeah i tried to remove that ghost building but went a bit too far and now i have to call dyatlov to fix my reactor

[dense kindle]

yeah you need to quickly shift click to undo the delete on the things

[fathom juniper]

oooohh
...why though?

the worst part of it is - i ran out of concrete hours ago
and they're only like 50% done

so it's all patchy and full of holes and just looks

and there's nothing i can do besides just waiting

[dense kindle]

fishing drones

[dense kindle]

but imagine
eventually
the entire planet, smoothed over with concrete

[austere wadi]

Okay, Judge Doom.

[fathom juniper]

say
you ever used the ships mod?

[dense kindle]

no

[fathom juniper]

ah

[dense kindle]

this is all for the sake of a more perfect world

[fathom juniper]

i'm trying to figure this out now https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/638031423340806185/1432140053693468734/image.png?ex=68fff7dc&is=68fea65c&hm=5248695c217e3c7f6075761039e9511f2c8b3a9a698c3093ad4a6a8e4d450d22&

[dense kindle]

you mean for like, nautical boats?

[fathom juniper]

[dense kindle]

weird

[fathom juniper]

cargo ships

[dense kindle]

yeah never

for me water and cliffs are the same thing

annoying, to be smoothed over

[signal kayak]

Well uh guess we can kiss Hi-Fi Rush goodbye, because Krafton is going full a-i

https://www.eurogamer.net/pubg-and-inzoi-publisher-krafton-declares-itself-an-ai-first-company-placing-ai-at-the-centre-of-problem-solving

Not like this bro

[fathom juniper]

bruh

" "prioritise AI as a central and primary means of problem-solving", "fostering change in individuals and organisations, increasing company-wide productivity, and accelerating mid- to long-term corporate value growth"."

this is the type of crap i wouldn't even say as a joke in factorio

wait

they "dabbled" with AI for the ill-fated shooter Foamstars

huh
first time im hearing about that

[woven breach]

Really putting AI in

https://tenor.com/view/haiyaaa-gif-20928673

[fathom juniper]

aight - place your bets

[ocean iris]

oh god a post from r/socialistgaming was recommended to me and I am horrified

[fathom juniper]

how long till we hear about them having to downsize and rethink their strategy and ovehaul their corporate structure right after some big honcho mr ceo man decides to cash in a fat paycheck and peace out?

[ocean iris]

TLDR guy cant play a game called Misery if it doesnt potray soviet russia in a positive light

(Misery is really good btw)

[fathom juniper]

i say 6 months

[fathom juniper]

pffffffffffffff WHAT

[ocean iris]

"I am tired of crappy depictions"

And the crappy depictions are just depictions that dont allign politically

Oh I used to be 14 but damn I was never this delusional

ah jesus the OP has a boner for soviet russia, god damn it every single time

[fathom juniper]

yeah i am tired of crappy depictions of the socialist era too
every day i look out and see those grey, concrete 20-stories high depictions stretching out for the horizon, as far as the eye can see

that was a joke, btw

before we get too political here

[ocean iris]

My point is, leave it to the people who didnt live here to crave something we fear

[fathom juniper]

exactly

[ocean iris]

I think its a shared trauma for most countries like ours

Games like Stalker Metro etc. are a great coping mechanism though

[fathom juniper]

you know what?
that... is an interesting topic, actually

two days ago i was at poznań game arena, right?
i've spent some time at the indie booths and i came across one game about

and get this

a story-driven racing game about some old dude telling stories to his grandson about how much fun he had racing around in his old fiat 126p ||aka: the maluch|| in late seventies

i think late seventies?
hang on i gotta check out the steam page for it

it was ugly as sin and janky af but i haven't laughed this hard in ages

[fathom juniper]

i don't get it @dense kindle
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/638031423340806185/1432359918794571826/image.png?ex=6900c4a0&is=68ff7320&hm=0f7bb766f3af5026f1da93af0f2a35257fd6b8d9f291bc265526045feaae6b14&

see this ammo warning up there?
there's a broken electric pole there too and for some reason bots just don't want to go there to fix it
even though it's all connected, i'm on the network too and all bots have easy acces to required resources

can't even put an order to deconstruct it and build it new

[mystic wave]

Did you speak to the union

[fathom juniper]

i did!

as you can see on the graph
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/638031423340806185/1432379242909401098/image.png?ex=6900d69f&is=68ff851f&hm=b61fd16ee812bbb97b40938a105bdc62c03d09575d4bd9012cab00ec02a16e54&

[mystic wave]

Ah yes the kills tab on the CEO graph

[dense kindle]

are you sure you have roboports all the way up?

oh yeah you do

you might wanna put some repair kits in your network if you dont already

Also what's that bottom left square, that's cutoff from the network

Orange = Log bots can travel here
Green = Construct bots can travel here

[fathom juniper]

oh yeah i figured it out

turns out i had the stuff i wanted there stored all the way on the other side of the factory

so it took them a while to get there

anyway - i've got a new problem now
biters

they're mad - i'm constantly getting radar pings
not enough to be any danger, but just enough to be really annoying

[dense kindle]

time to go cleaning

[fathom juniper]

yeeeees
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/638031423340806185/1432464985812107346/image.png?ex=6901267a&is=68ffd4fa&hm=684f26d0e36f6d5886dbdb6d25d6e7bfa096fe0c8756d6bc43f6eef9f9792182&

@dense kindle this is all coming together

look how clean this is

[dense kindle]

oh hell yeah

damn you are going for it

even got labels and walled off pipes and everything

[fathom juniper]

oh yeah that's, uh...

for my own sanity

i was sick and tired of having to fix them every time i bonked one with a car

or a tank

[signal kayak]

If you didn't ever hear about this game, little wonder, it appeared a grand total of ONCE in some State of Play as a "response" to Splatoon
Paid game with skins that were more expensive than the game itself, it was so bad that not even going F2P saved it (for whatever reason it's still not taken down)

It's a PS5 exclusive, btw

[fathom juniper]

oh i remember the game
i just... didn't know it had any ai slop in there

[signal kayak]

It did indeed

I got to know this game because some random guy from Satan's caves made a couple videos showcasing how this game is a big ball of wrong

And the thing is, beyond being a total ripoff of Splatoon, the game's basic foundation isn't the worst they could have come up with, but it's so overloaded with dog diddly doo that it's no secret it's in nobody's radar

[fathom juniper]

yeah i remember it looking really, really meh

[fathom juniper]

wooooooo
https://youtu.be/v9FMp5QgOvY?si=adkyG4PquzLUB6Ci

look!

and it's not on unreal!

[green scaffold]

https://youtu.be/Lr1NaOJjBJk?si=HC6tbCFClSDrpddn

Peak gets a sequel

[dense kindle]

oh god they're making a second one

oh no

[green scaffold]

We are so back

Oh yes

[dense kindle]

we are but ackkkkk

[green scaffold]

Too spooky?

[dense kindle]

yep

[green scaffold]

Aw

Well I loved first one in spooky department so I will look forward to it

[fathom juniper]

OH HELL YEAH

[green scaffold]

INDEED

[dense kindle]

I'm more looking forward to resident evil requiem next year

I'm sure darkwood 2 will be an excellent game that I hope to never play

[austere wadi]

I feel that way about the movie Nightcrawler.

"Fantastic, 9/10, do not ever ask me to watch it again.*

[green scaffold]

Though it's from other dev. As in original dev is working on it but it seems it's a group-up of 3 teams. Still it looks good

But Ice Pick Lodge made Pathologic so they will cook for sure

[dense kindle]

interesting

[fathom juniper]

yeah this trailer doesn't look...

as aggressively polish as the first game

anyways
saucy - check out what i just made
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/638031423340806185/1432783004446621696/image.png?ex=69024ea8&is=6900fd28&hm=6e378dee1727eeb1873d473f5b6632f11d3839a4b7426fa57fa46eca7435b14d&

[austere wadi]

Cannon with two bullet generators right next to it?

[fathom juniper]

close

[dense kindle]

2 artillery shell request chests

flying logistic robots will automatically deliver munitions

[fathom juniper]

artillery with two requester chests
which means - i have a whole production line set up for shells down south, and the moment they get made bots from the logistics network pick it up and carry it here

[austere wadi]

Neat.

[green scaffold]

It's now only 1/3rd Polish (still gonna shill for it like with first game tho)

[fathom juniper]

next time i'm gonna put two chests under it so it's gonna look like a dingdong

anyways - let's build a few more and take them for a spin

QUEUE THE MUSIC!
https://youtu.be/WFqGIWAsbAQ?si=6FWwZUAdMifDn8ur

this is the biggest gun in vanilla, right @dense kindle ?

[dense kindle]

yeah, and you load up bigger and bigger shells

[austere wadi]

Criminal this song wasn't actually showcased in the game more.

Or on the soundtrack, last I heard.

[fathom juniper]

it was in the game?

i think

[austere wadi]

"more."

[fathom juniper]

ah

[austere wadi]

I refunded after about 90 minutes of gameplay, I'm going off what people who have played more have told me

[fathom juniper]

W H A T ! ?

[dense kindle]

lol

[fathom juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/special-ed-special-gif-14524557650897979460

[austere wadi]

Why haven't you played Armored Core 6?

See, I can do it too.

[fathom juniper]

yeah but i haven't refunded AC6 either

you can't win this battle

[dense kindle]

you'll play it someday, surely

definitely

[fathom juniper]

oh for sure

but for now i have a factory to expand

[austere wadi]

Bim says the same thing about Dark Souls for me.

[fathom juniper]

what did i say about dark souls?

[austere wadi]

That eventually I'll crack and play it.

[fathom juniper]

you'll play it someday, surely

definitely

[austere wadi]

But Silksong had enough heritage Dark Souls energy to remind me why I'm staying far far away from them.

[dense kindle]

to be fair, silksong is much meaner than dark souls

[faint hollow]

^

[dense kindle]

it's like, modded dark souls

[fathom juniper]

ds1 isn't even that hard

[austere wadi]

It's also got way better gameplay to handle the meanness.

[fathom juniper]

just takes a bit of getting used to

[fathom juniper]

oh you just made so many people mad

[austere wadi]

I don't think any of the Dark Souls games are hard, but the art around the painful gameplay is not worth it.

[dense kindle]

eh that's true

[fathom juniper]

ds1 isn't painful

[dense kindle]

dark souls 3 is worth it tbh, it's not even mean anywhere except for like, the prison section

[fathom juniper]

2? definitely, 3 absolutely

but 1?
eh

[dense kindle]

how is 3 painful

[fathom juniper]

have you played it on a base ps4?

[dense kindle]

oh yeah it'll be painful at 15 fps or whatever

[fathom juniper]

dude i could take a piss break between frames

[austere wadi]

I played 20 hours of DSFix back in late 2015/early 2016.

[fathom juniper]

and the input lag, dear lord

[faint hollow]

1 is absolutely the most tedious imo. elden ring and sekiro are the best tuned in terms of difficulty

[austere wadi]

Sekiro looks virtually nothing like the mainline Souls games and that's why I'm still holding on to playing it.

[dense kindle]

sekiro forces you to beat chained ogre so it's a 9/10 for me

[faint hollow]

lol

[fathom juniper]

RRRRRRRRROBERTOOOOOO

[rustic falcon]

Sekiro looks so much more fun

[austere wadi]

Bim, have you played Hollow Knight?

[rustic falcon]

But I do rlly vibe w the other games aesthetic as well

[dense kindle]

it's fun to replay, but dark souls is more fun on a first playthrough I think, since you got the exploration elements

the world feels a lot weightier when you don't have a grapple hook, infinite sprint, and jumping

[fathom juniper]

i played silksong for like 5 minutes at nintendo's stand at a trade show recently

dunno if that counts

[austere wadi]

The first Hollow Knight.

[fathom juniper]

npoe

[austere wadi]

It's the only game I've ever played that I think is as good as Hades 1.

[fathom juniper]

try ds1
it's nowhere near as mean as people make it out to be

also i need some new targets to invade at sen's and blighttown

[faint hollow]

ds1 is very hauntingly beautiful

[rustic falcon]

I only own Elden ring

[faint hollow]

elden ring is their best souls game

[dense kindle]

yeah especially the lava zone filled with ass demons

[faint hollow]

lol

[rustic falcon]

I do think they are very beautiful, it’s not the difficulty that repels me per se

[faint hollow]

the second half is admittedly very poor

[rustic falcon]

I just kind of don’t want to play them lmao

[fathom juniper]

i don't get it

like - i know why people are saying this

but i don't think the second part is as bad

[dense kindle]

bro it has bed of chaos

[fathom juniper]

it's a bit weaker, sure
and lost izalith is... kinda eh

[dense kindle]

that's like, -4 points out of 10

[faint hollow]

they themselves said it was rushed and you can clearly see it

[fathom juniper]

oh i know

but it's not that bad

and it's the only zone that kinda sticks out

it's not horrendous

[austere wadi]

Lost Izalith seems like an area that requires some actual movement abilities, and not Dark Souls. Like, if it were in Elden Ring it would probably be only half as bad just due to having a jump.

[fathom juniper]

it's just slightly weaker than the rest

[faint hollow]

the copy-paste enemies drag it down a lot

[austere wadi]

How many poison swamps are in DS1?

[faint hollow]

there's nothing like the interconnectedness of the first half

[fathom juniper]

well there's my home - blighttown

and, uh

i think that's it?

[faint hollow]

aside from blighttown? I don't think there's anything else

[dense kindle]

ds1 was a neat metroidvania until you get teleportation

[fathom juniper]

well you could consider the great hollow a kind of a vertical poison swamp, i guess

[dense kindle]

ds1's early game reminds me of the best parts of super metroid

[fathom juniper]

there's no poison there but it's got so many basilisks it may as well be covered in poison

AH GOD DAMN IT

i came here to chat and that arty turret ate all my shells

i forgot to turn it off

[austere wadi]

[fathom juniper]

on the plus side - there's no nests in my vicinity
so that's... good?

[austere wadi]

The nascent AI budding in the cannon's circuitry: "You're welcome."

[fathom juniper]

i seem to have created a bit of a... logistics infinite loop

[dense kindle]

yeah that hapens

[fathom juniper]

i made a passive provider warehouse for those arty shells - since they don't stack, i need a really big place to store them

and a small requester chest next to it with an inserter pointing to that warehouse

my logic was - that small chest is gonna ask all bots to put shells into it and that inserter is gonna shove them into a warehouse for later

but what's happening now is that - a bot flies in, puts a shell into that requester
then that shell goes from a requester to a warehouse
and now with a requester empty a bot goes "OH CRAP IT WANTS MORE SHELLS!"
and goes for the nearest source - which is that warehouse

takes a shell from a warehouse, puts it into a requester, shell goes from requester to warehouse
and round and round we go, wasting energy and time

[dense kindle]

one imagines the logistic bots happy

[fathom juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/factorio-gif-8978402409079323130

[dense kindle]

yeah you basically did that

[fathom juniper]

so this setup needs to be a...
buffer and an active provider?

i have no idea how this works

[dense kindle]

I think you can just use a buffer chest with no request

request should just be used where they're actively used, like guns or assembly

[fathom juniper]

no! where are you going with this!?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/638031423340806185/1432794351070740561/Factorio_-_2025-10-28_19-12-05.mp4?ex=69025939&is=690107b9&hm=6b28ec6cc29c46bfc2844841583b2a3dc142bdb6d59c22923ebbf9b97d69cdc7&

come back!

sometimes those bots are... a bit too eager

wtf am i doing?
i could just make a passive provider and point the belt the other way

[fathom juniper]

huh
i haven't had a single biter radar ping since i built this artillery

they're either scared or... they're planning something

[dense kindle]

maybe you've exterminated them so your pollution doesn't reach their nests

iirc, biter attacks only happen when pollution reaches them

[fathom juniper]

yeah i know
it's just my headcanon

they're still pretty smart though
as far as space bugs go

so i wouldn't be surprised if they were up to something

[fathom juniper]

hey - speaking of
can biter nests just... spawn out of nowhere?

there's one spot i could swear i cleared out like three times already

[dense kindle]

not out of nowhere I don't think, but biter packs can set up new ones

[fathom juniper]

how's that work?

[ocean iris]

ah yes

i installed wild card modpack for a tale of two wasteland for fallout 3 and new vegas

and of course it crashes on start

why did I expect it to go smoothly

[fathom juniper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/638031423340806185/1432823831591911665/bsczoz54yv4e1.jpeg?ex=690274ae&is=6901232e&hm=8a4dd3fd0622ffecaa03a3df0f2e6b414f52b3c2013d63534b0beecf8b6b1d3f&

it's part of the experience nowadays

[ocean iris]

literally

[fathom juniper]

you playing them on steam?

[ocean iris]

gog

it's less crappy

[fathom juniper]

good

i tried making a 100+ mods new vegas setup on steam

and now valve thinks it's my favorite game because i apparently played it almost 500 times last year

nah, gaben
i played it like 10 times and the rest of it was me trying to stitch this frankenstein monster of a game together

[ocean iris]

apparently now it's missing the entire fallout 3 ESMs necessary for TTW

how the hell did wabbajack miss that

[fathom juniper]

esm?
ttw?
wabbajack?

[ocean iris]

esm are the base files

ttw is tale of two wastelands

it combines fallout 3 and new vegas

[fathom juniper]

ah, right

[ocean iris]

and wabbajack is a third party modpack installer

[fathom juniper]

never heard of that one

[ocean iris]

aaaand there is an even more third party mod installer that automates each nexus download

but it's really cursed

[fathom juniper]

oh the nexus mod manager?
yeah it's a bit jank

[ocean iris]

nope it just downloads them OFF nexus

[fathom juniper]

oh god

[ocean iris]

wabbajack is just a middleman to get all of it automatically off nexus

usually it also installs a mod organizer 2 instance

[fathom juniper]

mate
i'm neck-deep in factorio right now

and i swear - my entire factory is less complicated than that

[ocean iris]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1151168014654374010/1432827803451134062/image.png?ex=69027860&is=690126e0&hm=f9feb1c7692f5a303375b04908931e06fe44ae732a0ccf50e5b1440b5693ac09&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

this is literally the homepage

[fathom juniper]

uh

[ocean iris]

yeah this is the type of people im dealing with to install my huge ass modpacks

[fathom juniper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/361885089824505858/1388546195282198579/Uhh.gif

[ocean iris]

(i must admit it's funny how unprofessional this pirated version of wabbajack is)

[fathom juniper]

pirated version?

[ocean iris]

more like, modded

[mystic wave]

This is getting better every minute

[ocean iris]

because it's against nexus' TOS to automate their download processes

[fathom juniper]

BOI does it

especially with that post above

[ocean iris]

and the OG wabbajack devs LOATHE this modded version

[fathom juniper]

hey you know what the M1 Garand is most known for?

THE PING!

[ocean iris]

and the modded version devs just wrote like 4channers on their version and even made fun of the og devs

[fathom juniper]

<@&456908176877551658>

[ocean iris]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1151168014654374010/1432828571260293292/image.png?ex=69027918&is=69012798&hm=c544b2f509ba38132f068081cd6d7684f52a32b65f20442c0a34e9101baea51b&

the OG wabbajack devs seething because the guy is using the modded version

[stable kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/halloween-ends-laurie-strode-jamie-lee-curtis-michael-myers-halloween-gif-26920459

tfw im always late

[fathom juniper]

[hardy onyx]

sparrow too powerful

[ocean iris]

"It's agains the TOS to automate downloads!!!"

[fathom juniper]

i wanted to link this too
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/638031423340806185/1432828972206391296/m1_garand_ping.mp4?ex=69027977&is=690127f7&hm=bdf25b481106744b63c58d3959ecfcb638430f153a7373bf2152be895b855447&

but i knew i wouldn't make it in time

[ocean iris]

I swear, Nexus already doesnt offer uncapped downloads to free users, can we at least get the decency of automatic modpack downloads

[fathom juniper]

i never had to use modpacks
i always preferred to just stitch my own pack together

and this approach worked well for me most of the time...
...until my last NV playthrough

that one crashed in the most hilarious way

i ever told you about that one?

[ocean iris]

mine crashed one time because the water physics were too good for the engine

[fathom juniper]

i mean - not like "crashed" crashed
but it borked one mechanic beyond any saving

[rustic falcon]

I wanted to make a mod collection on nm. Then turns out mod collections are for downloading an entire pack at once and not for mods you want to save. What the hellll

How do I save them then…

[fathom juniper]

i just saved my pack in a text document

just copy and paste them a bunch of times

[ocean iris]

here's hoping I can combine fallout 3 and nv with the TTW installer and NOT do everything again

otherwise Im rage quitting

[fathom juniper]

pro tip - look up the console command that let's you see the numerical value responsible for your reputation with different factions and use it every now and then

i'm speaking from experience here

actually - screw it - i'm gonna tell you this story anyway

so last year i made this big chungus of a new vegas build
over a hundred mods, took me a few days to stitch to together, lots of trial and error
according to steam i booted it up over 490 times

and it worked! sure i had to quit out and tweak and move some things around to fix some small issues (hence that ridiculous number), but in the end i had the best new vegas build in the world
it had anything you could imagine - the animations were smooth, gunplay - complex, ui - easy to navigate, companions - not dumb
new guns, new clothes, new quests, new stats, new mechanics, new lighting, new models
you name it - i had it

and it was flawless
and in that run i decided to play both sides - i went with ncr because it was easy but i also wanted to join the legion and gain ceasar's trust only so that i could stab him in the back in the end
and to do that i had to use all those new mechanics those mods gave me to solve quests without pissing off other factions too much
so i was a bit of a double spy

and at one point - good 3/4ths through the campaign - suddenly ALL factions started hating me
ALL OF THEM - at the same time
even the pacifists Followers of the apocalypse that never held a gun

turns out - me completing quests in weird ways combined with this pile of mods resulted in something borking out which sent all my faction ratings to -100 or whatever the lowest value was
so that kinda sucked

[lost igloo]

https://youtu.be/hU2fxy8mDmc?si=yA4SqHLA6ToNgXIF

[fathom juniper]

i tried fixing that using console commands - setting those faction ratings manually one by one to what i thought i was at before that
but then a minute or two after that all of those ratings would go down to -100 making me the public enemy number one again
and everyone was out for blood again

[lost igloo]

Wow its out now!!

[dense kindle]

when's balatro getting updated

[fathom juniper]

turns out - this weird combination of mods and what not didn't just set my ratings down to the lowest number
all my faction ratings were constantly going down to the lowest possible number, in a loop
and there was no way for me to stop it or to figure out which weird combination of the 100 mods i had on AND weird ways of completing quests was causing that

so i had to drop the run

TLDR: all of mojave was hating me for having too good of a new vegas build

[dense kindle]

You call it a warcrime. I call it a skill issue.

[fathom juniper]

bro even the sworn pacifists were shooting me

and for what?
for installing a hundred of mods?

[fathom juniper]

now they just have to do a collab with factorio and the holy trinity of time-wasters will be united

if those three games combine their powers into one...
...we will get world peace

there will be no wars cause everybody will be too busy playing Vampire Balatorio

[austere wadi]

Bim, look away, I'm talking about Bilkbong.

Just dueled Garmond at the top of the Whispering Vaults. I have not yet finished Shakra's questline, nor did I get the chance to duel her in my first playthrough (I goofed, didn't realize it was Act 2 only), but that requires I venture into Bilewater. Can I get both of them to aid me during the HH gauntlet?

[thorny shoal]

bro I hate these balatro collabs because they always bait me into thinking it's a new Balatro update

[dense kindle]

fr

[fathom juniper]

i really doubt there's gonna be a balatro update

[thorny shoal]

creator said there was a gonna be an update

[dense kindle]

shakra can't show up

[fathom juniper]

really?

[dense kindle]

later he said he was super burnt out so

[thorny shoal]

yes he even apologized for not delivering it this year

[dense kindle]

yeah it should be coming sometime

[austere wadi]

Because I've activated Garmond? 'Cause she was present for my first run clear.

[dense kindle]

oh wait really? huh

I've never gotten any npc into high halls gauntlet ngl

I do it way too soon every time

[austere wadi]

[dense kindle]

the only npc assistance I've ever gotten was shakra in ants

[austere wadi]

I'm gonna do the High Halls up until the gauntlet, get the Cogfly, get other goodies present, then Bilewater and Shakra.

[rustic falcon]

by the WAY schpoon
Expedition 33 endings spoilers for a discussion that happened here a while ago and you participated in
||I’ve been thinking about this game a lot, and obviously about the endings. And I think about the conversation we had here, about how maelle’s is unarguably messed up and evil from what you’ve read. And I think… I agreed but said I found it more compelling? Okay So I Changed My Mind||
||not only do I find it the most compelling but I also believe it to be “the least of two evils” if such a think could be said, narratively. And other than pondering it extensively, the fanbase painting(lol) maelle as evil, mind-controlling villain pisses me off so unbelievably bad because it is never stated she has the ability to mind control or that any painter can… people go to extremes to defend their favorite (verso) while throwing a person who did just as much “bad” as him||

[dense kindle]

are people overthinking the ending or something lol

[fathom juniper]

if you want to see people overthinking an ending to a game
transistor is that-a-way 👈

[dense kindle]

I still think of it as a simple ||"stay happy in the simulation vs embrace the cruelty of reality"||

[austere wadi]

I think my case was a tad overstated. ||I think Maelle's ending is the "bad" ending in that it's tragic "villainy". She's committing suicide. Staying in the Canvas will result in her premature death, and while I do think people have the right to say "I'm done," Verso also has the right to say "No you're not."||

||There's no moving on and healing from Verso's death by staying in the Canvas.||

[dense kindle]

||Maelle's ending is definitely the bad one for me
-Stays in the simulation
-Forces kid verso to keep painting
-Forces verso to keep living
-Doesn't reconnect with the family||

[austere wadi]

||The part where Canvas-Verso is inarguably brainwashed (otherwise he'd probably keep fighting but Maelle as a Painter completely overpowers him) makes me uncomfortable, as does forcing kid Verso to continue painting when there are hints that he wants to stop.||

[dense kindle]

actually it reminds me a lot of Final Fantasy X, now that I think about it

[austere wadi]

||I 110% believe that people are painting Maelle as a cackling villain but it's very much Grey vs Gray and a tragedy all around.||

FFX is definitely less ambiguous.

[dense kindle]

I mean it's pretty similar. ||In FFX, the kid tells you "I want to stop dreaming this fake world" while Verso tells you "Kid verso wants to stop painting this fake world"||

obviously because there's only one ending, that's why it's less ambiguous

star player of the zanarkand abes makes the decision for you

[austere wadi]

||Okay, but stopping Sin from reforming is a big part of that.||

[rustic falcon]

maybe this is my ideal scenario in my head ||is that I just do not believe she’s keeping everyone immortal in a simulation where she kills herself slowly. Verso is visibly older, lune is visibly older, they may or may not have a child (??) time IS passing, maelle wants to live her lifetime with verso and her friends, and when that lifetime is over, she could live her “actual” lifetime. Also when did she brainwash him? Actual question||

[austere wadi]

||That Verso is going along at all with Maelle staying in the Canvas speaks to me of forcing her will on him. Again, still need to play the game and I'll be better informed by then. I may even have swapped endings based on my own feelings of the big S.||

[rustic falcon]

Actually insanely so, to an extreme that people don’t even paint ||clea|| as such a villain. WHCIH SHE ISNT she’s just more overtly “rude, mean, evil” (I also disagree) in her very little screen time

[dense kindle]

||Maelle isn't a villain, she's just selfish at the moment, I think, and doing her best to cope and seethe||

[austere wadi]

||My understanding from what I've read is that being in the Canvas is putting such a strain on her that it will kill her. Aline is a better Painter, if older, and Renoir wanted her out because it was killing her.||

[rustic falcon]

||in the contrary of maelle keeping verso alive, verso kills everyone - everyone maelle and he both spent the entire game with. I don’t want to say forcing her out of the canvas is bad - I think ignoring everyone else’s will to live because he can finally die now, is…. its all nuanced lol. Like I said there’s no definitive good or bad on all fronts and there never will be||

[dense kindle]

||eh I can't even think of them as real tbh||

[rustic falcon]

||this is true. But time just does not flow in the same way in and out of the canvas. For all we know, parents have been actually continuously in the canvas for a week at max||

[austere wadi]

Oh god, Bilewater, here I come.

At least I've got the Wreath this time.

[faint hollow]

they upped the wreath's durability in the beta branch

[austere wadi]

I've got a GoG copy.

[rustic falcon]

oh, we see it very differently ||which is fine lmao my fav character feels the same|| everyone can have their interpretation and feelings which is what it is and is also good

[faint hollow]

sad times

[austere wadi]

Nah, heck Steam putting their junk in all of my games.

[dense kindle]

what junk tho

[austere wadi]

Not-DRM. Steam always has to be running to play their games, eats up resources on my old computer.

[dense kindle]

ah rip

[faint hollow]

you can run directly from the folder, no?

[austere wadi]

I've tried, doesn't work.

[dense kindle]

nah

[faint hollow]

rip

[austere wadi]

I don't know if it's just me--ah, okay.

[dense kindle]

I use steam all the time for chat and screenshots and sharing and screenrecord

[austere wadi]

Screenshots are nice.

[dense kindle]

also cloud saves are super nice for me

I play on geforce now, my mac, and my pc so everything being linked is appreciated

[pure kernel]

seeing some e33 discussion 👀

||this is probs just copium on my part but what if verso's soul is not tired of painting but is tired of his canvas being a warzone for the past 100+ (canvas) years||

[dense kindle]

||the thing for me is that Maelle can like, just make them again later. ||

[rustic falcon]

I think that’s worse :((

[dense kindle]

||It's like, sorry, your story is sad and all, but you are one layer more fictional than Maelle and kid Verso.||

[pure kernel]

||could she? she needed quite a bit of help to bring back Lune & Sciel in the first place, and that was with their chroma in place||

||so like idk if she has the skill to just repaint everyone in a new canvas||

[dense kindle]

idk give her a few years to git gud

[pure kernel]

||oh and who's to say her real parents will let her paint||

||real Renoir clearly wants her out so she doesn't suffer real Aline's fate||

[dense kindle]

their whole shtick is painting though

[rustic falcon]

||she’s also not as talented as the rest of her remaining family, and no one else would do that for her. In her ending, “she who controls chroma, controls the canvas||

[pure kernel]

||definitely feels like he won't take his chances with real Alicia getting canvas-addicted||

[dense kindle]

||I mean the issue is just the level of obsession both Aline and Maelle have with this painting. Everything in moderation, as they say.||

[pure kernel]

||oh also a little funny thought, not Jennifer English being god's favorite princess two games in a row :P||

[dense kindle]

||her life has only just started though. She's only like, what, 15% of the way through?||

||You could say "well, maybe maelle will finally decide to leave the painting eventually, after having enough of life in the painting" but there's 0 evidence that this will actually happen in the Maelle ending||

[rustic falcon]

getting into fandom fav character ideas… ||clea, which I think is arguably more skilled than aline, would CERTAINLY not do that. But I think after that ending, they would grow closer… considering she also took care of alicia the whole time their parents were beefing in the spore world||

[pure kernel]

||one has to wonder what else happens in verso ending||

[dense kindle]

yeah definitely, ||but she's so young that the possibilities are literally endless||

[rustic falcon]

||really there’s zero evidence of basically anything besides what we see. do we know if the dessendres ever mend as a family? Maybe they all get murdered by the writers the very day after they come to terms with their reality with one less family member|| 🤷 which is both funny and sad

[pure kernel]

||for her own sake I hope there's ways to restore her voice, her eye and everything else that got burnt, because sure Alicia is young but has suffered some grievous wounds||

[rustic falcon]

||because soft autumn hues make you think “good” and horror movie framing b&w makes you think “bad”||

[dense kindle]

||That would mean in Maelle's ending, Maelle gets offed while vegging out in front of the painting?||

[pure kernel]

also slightly offtopic with the announcement

why the hell do I live in the wrong countries man, missed both e33 concert and will be missing h2 concert

[rustic falcon]

Thought about this a lot LOL ||there’s sign language, or signing without a concrete language, or clea and Alicia’s strange paintress telepathic bond… and you can definitely heal from such vocal cord injuries. Even if her voice will not sound the same, it will be back||

[dense kindle]

I'm off to a distant worlds performance this weekend, hyped

[dense kindle]

||doesn't she paint her vocal chords or something in the real world?||

[rustic falcon]

we will never know!

[pure kernel]

||errr no? clea literally tells her to paint herself a throat so she doesn't forget how to hold a conversation when hopping into verso's canvas||

[rustic falcon]

||no, she gets overtaken by Aline’s chroma and reborn without such disability. It was not her work||

[pure kernel]

||painter powers surely don't seem to apply IRL||

[rustic falcon]

||they do to a degree I think. Alicia said clea can repaint the burnt walls||

But really who knows

[dense kindle]

is this them literally using paintrollers and stuff lol

[pure kernel]

probably, bc it's an inanimate object

||but this makes the writers busted since their writings can have an effect IRL||

[rustic falcon]

thats why her outfit is so dirty :(

[pure kernel]

||so who has gone back to the studio for the DLC so far?||

[dense kindle]

oh there's dlc?

[pure kernel]

well not quite dlc but there's an expansion in the works

[rustic falcon]

wait i want to link fanart by uneviearever. sweet sign language

🚿 put it out

[pure kernel]

||oh right I forgot the implications of that in the overall context||

[rustic falcon]

every time 😭

this happens often. dw i was joking in turn

[pure kernel]

sorry force of habit, I react with 🔥 every time I see something I agree with or I find good XD

[rustic falcon]

||so the voice actors we have seen post about it - esquie, francois, verso and clea...|| its so over for me

or we are so back

[fathom juniper]

i clicked that right pic first and for a second i thought that was civil protection from half life 2
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/638031423340806185/1432980337159573545/534da786bbd08-926049755.jpg?ex=6903066f&is=6901b4ef&hm=55a324140437f423e61d87e7846eeb0d75b446da55f2dfb7d1f2af32a93f00d8&

to my defence - i didn't have my glasses on

[pure kernel]

||well if clea is so back then you are also so incredibly back 😉
🙏 for my girl to also be back but if so far it's just esquie franfran verso and clea I could see the expansion be a sort of flashback to when kid verso and kid clea played in the canvas||

||but also lorien has been cooking up new music apparently, and a track is called Lune & Sciel I think, so perhaps they're also going to be so back.. oh man I'm overdosing on hopium so badly rn||

[rustic falcon]

FOR REAL? ||I asked in a recent interview with jenyen(writer jen to differentiate from VO jen) if sciel and lune’s relationship was meant to be interpreted as romantic and she circled around it a little bit with a non-answer and then landed on “I’ll leave it to the player to decide” SOOO I DECIDE YES||

||she was also this vague about Clea in the very same interview…. SO Fingers crossed||

[pure kernel]

||one can certainly extrapolate from that one line during their camp scene||

[pure kernel]

||tbh clea doesn't have a ton of screen time in the first place, so plenty of room for more story 👀||

[rustic falcon]

Sciel is a very empathetic person and very in tune with other people’s emotions and needs, but I really feel like she knows how to comfort lune in a way no one else really manages… gustave often clashes with her (they seemed to work together and maybe had a thing at one point, so maybe that’s why). Verso is verso, maelle is a teenager going thru her own things.
Don’t get me wrong, I think everyone’s interactions with verso are very insightful to their character, but lune and sciel have chemistry that’s just very special in my eyes. I could go on but I’m typing on mobile and also feel like I’m blabbering too much about it

[pure kernel]

||About the Gustave and Lune point, I think we must consider that emotions got in the way, Gustave raised Maelle for a while whereas Lune was, in a way, a Melinoe, raised for one purpose only, to kill the existential threat of their world||

[rustic falcon]

Screenshots don’t even do them justice. Just a couple… of bestiesss

[rustic falcon]

Yeah totes. He’s very protective of the people he loves but also kind of hot-headed. their different approaches to the same goal do in fact get in the way. Still, they remained close. Also I think the expedition is just a very stressful situation ts totally understandable
I love him tho to be clear

[pure kernel]

||gone too soon 😔||

||you know I do have to wonder what happened to the other survivors||

||maelle was clearly found by verso and taken to the manor||

||lune appears at some point by gustave, how tf did she get there||

||sciel got lost and got to gestrals, but how?||

[rustic falcon]

||and yeah lune’s “life mission” from the moment she remembers herself is tough on her. She also got to watch her older siblings just live the life they wanted… I don’t think she resents them but it must have been harsh. on top of that (like melinoë…) I immediately read her as having autism. Which surely complicates this whole “dedicated to one goal only since birth” thing even further||

[pure kernel]

||the more tragic thing is that contrary to mel, lune was born for that explicit purpose, mel was just forced into it||

[rustic falcon]

Yeah. Circumstances are different in general but the fact is that it’s Their One Thing they focus their all into and don’t really allow themselves a break

[pure kernel]

so yeah with that in mind ||I can't, in good faith, put her through verso ending||