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[wild acorn]

imo, ||cogwork dancers|| were the best pre-act 3 boss by a mile, and ||clover dancers|| were just a better version of it (while being a bigger challenge, since the first one was admittedly pretty easy)

LL? i don't know the expressions yet

[dense kindle]

I'll need godhome before I can really figure out which ones are good I think

only 1 kill on these doesn't really convey it

[unique lily]

my 3 favorites are Karmelita, First Sinner, and True final boss. There were a lot of amazing fight in this game for me, but these 3 stood out far above the rest

[wild acorn]

my god i hated karmelita so much

[unique lily]

agreed. Who knows, maybe groal in godhome will actually be fun

[wild acorn]

i will grind every ounce out of the ||cogwork and clover dancers||

[dense kindle]

I kind of found all the bosses too repetitive this time, idk why, maybe because my playstyle was too safe

[wild acorn]

opinions on ||trobbio||?

[dense kindle]

I felt a lot of "oh hey that move, I guess I can't really attack for 3 seconds"

[unique lily]

interesting. I felt that way on my first run but I'm beginning to play a lot more aggressive on my second run bc I know the fights way better now

[dense kindle]

and also I just consistently died way more to gauntlets than bosses, so they never felt too noteworthy

[wild acorn]

i guess i could understand that. i personally loved my dramatic showboy

[unique lily]

I died to bosses more lol

[unique lily]

same

[dense kindle]

every boss was 10 tries or less, and the 10 ones were like, beastfly

so I never really felt walled by the bosses this time

[wild acorn]

i rarely died to the gauntlets, but i threw myself at the bosses 20 times in a row until i beat it

[unique lily]

the gauntlet I died to the most was coral tower which was like 4 times

[dense kindle]

gauntlets like the ant one, the craw one, the coral one, the high halls one killed me WAY more

[unique lily]

maybe you weren't using tools and nail arts?

[wild acorn]

ye coral tower was definitely the hardest, but switching crests led me to beat it in 2 tries

[dense kindle]

I tried to avoid using tools at all costs

[unique lily]

also I have now realized that beast is actually amazing at gauntlets

[dense kindle]

nail arts would've been cool but not earning silk is too big a cost I think

[feral bobcat]

CRAW gauntler fr??

[dense kindle]

hate that one bro

why is the fat bird able to just, without any telegraph, fall down and contact damage you

[unique lily]

why? 😭 they're one of my favorite things about the game

[dense kindle]

I'm not trying to let my cogflies play the game for me

[wild acorn]

cogfly my beloved my friend i will never forget the work you have done for me

[unique lily]

but the rest of them tho. Voltvessels, sawblades and boomerangs were so cool too

[dense kindle]

except groal I poisoned cheesed the hell out of him because the gauntlet killed me so many times

groal's gauntlet killed me more than groal himself

[unique lily]

groal himself is lowkey easy

[wild acorn]

i managed to beat groal in 2 tries because i never even found him until act 3, when i was already stupidly powerful

[dense kindle]

like in my current playthrough, I've died more to high halls gauntlet than every boss combined so far

[unique lily]

on my second run, I'm making sure to try out more tools that I didn't before. It really feels like there isn't a single weak tool in the game besides maybe the straight pin

[unique lily]

I melted that shi with beast crest, cogflies and boomerangs on my current playthrough

[dense kindle]

it's kinda like tools in Sekiro. Some of them I'm ok with using in certain scenarios, but some are just cheesy

like spamming firecrackers on guardian ape? that's just kinda lame

using spear on him is cool though

[wild acorn]

i usually used cogfly and shakra's discs, but i've started playing shaman crest so i don't anymore

[dense kindle]

I might try again and pick up cogflies to skip it for me

[unique lily]

fair enough. I like build crafting in games so making super strong tool setups is part of the fun for me

[unique lily]

try beast crest on gauntlets too. I've been having a lot of fun with it

[dense kindle]

I do too but mostly in games with endgames that I'm replaying

but since Silksong doesn't have NG+ or anything, no real incentive

[unique lily]

hoping for godhome soon 🙏

[dense kindle]

even an option to start the game with all tools and all crests would be so nice

[feral bobcat]

modding ig

[austere wadi]

Breaking out the GameShark in 2025, baybee.

[feral bobcat]

im at this shrrom parkour and the thing thats dealt most damage to me is the flying blue things bumping me into spikes lmao

[unique lily]

I never really thought of a metroidvania having an NG+. Would be kinda cool but movement upgrades would mess with progression

[feral bobcat]

just dont tell me im only 10% of the way or whatever

cuz so far this parkour is FUN

[dense kindle]

it'd be broken for like, metroid dread

[unique lily]

youre more than halfway through

[dense kindle]

but for action games like DMC it just makes it more fun

having all these new moves but only at the end when there's not much stuff left to do is kinda :\

[unique lily]

so a godhome and a coloseum solves that, no? it doesn't necessarily have to be an NG+

[dense kindle]

and for players struggling, they might be wanting to find direct sources of power, so finding a new crest or tool feels less rewarding than a mask shard

[feral bobcat]

god these fliers

[dense kindle]

yeah, but team cherry clearly want godhome and a colosseum to be lore related or something

[feral bobcat]

alsos ucks that my keyboard sometimes doesnt read my jump

[dense kindle]

I think a NG+ really doesn't need any sort of lore justification

[feral bobcat]

whats ng

[dense kindle]

new game

[feral bobcat]

tf

[dense kindle]

I think it could just be a "Congrats on beating the game with 100% completion! You unlocked Memory Soul mode, where tools and crests are unlocked at the beginning."

[feral bobcat]

god these fliers suck

i go from full hp to like 2 from being bumped off

[unique lily]

that would be really cool, yeah. Even if team cherry dont do it, I would love a mod for it

[solar hound]

Just realized I never backtracked to open up the other ||weaver nests||

I have been clinically undergeared

[dense kindle]

oops

[solar hound]

But hunters crest is finally good yahoo

Never stopped using it

[dense kindle]

just be good

and you'll do good

[solar hound]

So true

#gitgud or something idk

[dense kindle]

do we know what the damage multiplier is

[feral bobcat]

dude these fliers

the platforming is genuinely so fun and easy but then i mistime a jump and get bumped into spikes resetting aton of porogress

[tribal lotus]

you sure it is your keyboard? i am pretty sure after aerial attacks the game eats jump inputs for a few milliseconds. also after opening cloak the game eats dash inputs. no buffering allowed, inputs just ignored for the longest fraction of a second ever… If i miss a pogo i fall a whole screen trying to get the jump key to do something while the game just laughs at me.

[feral bobcat]

ok i think im taking a break from this and playing some tf2 then falling asleep

my focus is way off im even running into wallspikes like a moron

this area is so fun and easy but im an idiot and those fliers make it obvious

[valid ridge]

I’m fighting || grandmother silk || at what I assume is the end of act 2. How close is that to the end of the game?

[jolly locust]

Me when outside

[dense kindle]

like 80% I guess

[valid ridge]

My

Mk*

I swear there was a traveling merchant I’ve seen randomly in different areas with inventory I have yet to find at any of the stationary merchants. Am I imagining things lol.

[dense kindle]

yes

[valid ridge]

Fair

In the ||underworks near the merchant there are a couple large statue strung up. The rightmost one has a platform at the top I cannot reach or figure out how to reach. Any ideas? ||

[dense kindle]

oh yeah I remember that, I don't recall if there's a good way up there

[elder ivy]

What merchant in the Underworks???

The architect?

[valid ridge]

Yea

[valid ridge]

Bummer to die when the boss does and it doesn’t count in your favor 🙄

[feral bobcat]

So loaded just one last time befor going to bed and i got the shroom quest done

Lmao

@elder ivy did u also complete the quest hence mentioning the surface before?

[elder ivy]

nope I watched it on youtube haha, I don't want to do all that awful platforming

[feral bobcat]

owww

[valid ridge]

First phase is great but boy second one is bad design

The double damage from all bosses has not only gotten old but has been revived and gotten old and died again

[elder ivy]

which boss are you talking about?

[valid ridge]

Got censored because this server can’t handle acronym

|| first sinner || it’s a perfect example of where SS fails in boss design compared to HK. I’ve never had so many janky hitbox hits on me where I’m just trying to get close enough to hit the enemy and the game says oh you touched them there’s two damage

In a fight where the difficulty basically comes from trying to even get to the boss to damage it. Why is the hitbox so awkward

[elder ivy]

this is such a funny opinion because literally no one I've seen agrees with it

EVERYONE puts this bossfight in S tier

[valid ridge]

That’s wild.

First phase is decent

[elder ivy]

it's extremely well designed!!!

and the presentation is amazing!!

[valid ridge]

Second really crosses over into just rng

[elder ivy]

not really though

[valid ridge]

I’ve taken so many more hits trying to approach the boss while it’s standing still than the boss actually attacking me

[elder ivy]

it's very much the same, just a bit faster

[elder ivy]

you'll get used to it!

it's just a matter of learning to manage your distance

[valid ridge]

Man. Perfect example. Second phase. I tether over to interrupt the weave move and as my character is still in the animation from finishing attacking, before I can move my character, boss jumps up and I die just from the contact

Like. Classic stuff in this fight that I just don’t get

Like I stun the boss and it jumps into me before my character can even move. Cool

Very odd that they said hey we will respawn right you here but if you want the actual benefits of a rest have fun with the double run back. Like. Just give me the benefit of a rest or put a bench here. It’s like worse than respawning me at the bench

no tools or mask reset so the run back is twice as long

[elder ivy]

it's extremely fun! just focus on learning it and it will click for you!!

[feral bobcat]

I dont know if you're into hades ( dont mind what server were in ) but is treat that boss as just any frenzy 2 boss
U get in 1 or maybe 2 hits and then back off like hell
Youre getting there, phase 1 is difficult in its own right and a boss this fast is new for what the game offers so far but its manageable

Also i dont think arguing about the boss being peak or whatnot helps at all

Nomatter how peak u think mist is , it still sucked for me and no matter how peak bile is for me u still sucked at it

He needs encouragement and a new perspective, not " oh this boss is peak now ill nohit it "

[unique lily]

the fight is much faster pace than most other fights at that stage so that will throw you off

[unique lily]

thats a great point actually

[feral bobcat]

And also depends how leveled up they are

I dont know if they even have the 2nd or 3rd nail upgrades

[elder ivy]

wow gio 🔥

[feral bobcat]

I also had the experience of fighting final boss and ||twisted bud|| final boss so some of those patterns were the same just different angle and speed

[unique lily]

I honestly suck at giving silksong advice other than "just use cogflies lmao" 💔

[feral bobcat]

So ofc fight went faster

Cogflies might die too fast to all the movement and lances idk, i think buzz or boomerang, maybe the gun(s)f he has em

Spikeball ol reliable

[unique lily]

I'd honestly say no tools at all is best for first sinner bc otherwise you'd have to go back to bench everytime

[feral bobcat]

In a similar fashion i tried cogs vs ||lost lace|| act 3 ending spoilers, they died so quickly and i gave up on using any tools just nailed her

[feral bobcat]

True

[elder ivy]

I think that must have been team cherry's intention honestly? they want this bossfight to be a pure skill test almost perhaps?

[feral bobcat]

Or only use tools in last phase to end it quickly

[unique lily]

maybe

[elder ivy]

especially since it's optional actually??

[feral bobcat]

No point in ending first phase only to then die

[elder ivy]

do you have to beat it to get to act 3?

[feral bobcat]

Ig u need it for the ||shroom|| but

Otherwise no i dont think so

[elder ivy]

do you really?

[unique lily]

mostly what you need for this fight is to just stay calm. panicking in this fight can get you hit so easily

[feral bobcat]

Also ol reliable taking a break
Bashed my head against ||karmelita|| for maybe 3 hours yesterday... Er, day before yesterday
Loaded up... Yesterday, beat her 5th try on my crappy laptop with sunlight coming in

[feral bobcat]

You need to go in the ||"cage"|| right?

[unique lily]

damn gio lowkey Master Oogway rn

[elder ivy]

I thought it was outside the cage...

I might be misremembering though..

[feral bobcat]

Teachings of zote came a long way

[elder ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/kung-fu-panda-gif-24482418

Precept Nineteen: 'If You Try, Succeed'. If you're going to attempt something, make sure you achieve it. If you do not succeed, then you have actually failed! Avoid this at all costs.

!!!!!!!!!!!!

@valid ridge Zote has some good advice !!

Precept Twenty-Three: 'Identify the Foe's Weak Point'. Every foe you encounter has a weak point, such as a crack in their shell or being asleep. You must constantly be alert and scrutinising your enemy to detect their weakness!

Precept Twenty-Four: 'Strike the Foe's Weak Point'. Once you have identified your foe's weak point as per the previous Precept, strike it. This will instantly destroy them.

[feral bobcat]

Also also
Truly ol.reliable
Recording urself and watching back gameplay to better understand the moveset

[unique lily]

"just dont get hit" ahh advice

[unique lily]

or watching a no hit on youtube! It has helped against so many dark souls/elden ring bosses

[valid ridge]

I’m at the point in this fight where I’m dodging every single attack that I have the actual ability to. My last run the only hits I had where when I was already in a position unable to move during an animation and I got hit by something appearing on screen. That feeling of “oh I just executed a move and I got hit while in my animation unable to control my character yet” is a bit feels bad and seems to be happening more in this fight than any fight I’ve experienced in SS and HK. There’s not a clear path for me to improve either because I’m avoiding everything I can. It feels like rng at this point and that’s really frustrating

[feral bobcat]

Yea that too if you dont mind watching the fight end

[feral bobcat]

That actually does sound annoying yea

Sometimes ure just in the wrong place at the wrong time w this game

[elder ivy]

I don't feel like I've ever been hit "unfairly" by the first sinner....
like if she jumps into you, that's a move that she can do, so you need to anticipate it! so if it happens to me, I won't blame the game...

[unique lily]

I'd highly recommend watching a hitless fight against ||first sinner|| on yt. It'll help understand those situations better

[feral bobcat]

But if its rng-ish then one run will have u not getting hit eventually

[unique lily]

maybe I can link one if you want

[broken smelt]

can i please ask for y'all to spoiler tagg silksong spoilers

[unique lily]

oop sorry

will do 🫡

[feral bobcat]

Does this count as spoiler im unsure which of my messages have em

[broken smelt]

to be on the safe side, I'd say yes

[feral bobcat]

Cant be too safe yes

[valid ridge]

There’s also a thing where it reminds me a lot of destiny. Where people complained that when you start something over or a public event. Why doesn’t it give you full ammo and super. Things that I could do on my own by farming. But that feels bad because it’s a pretty boring thing to do. And it doesn’t make the game harder. Just longer and more frustrating.

That’s how I few about dying not filling your spool. Like. I could go farm enemies to do this anyway. And waste time. It isn’t making the game harder. Just longer.

[unique lily]

I mean recovering your cocoon refills your spool. even HK started you with no soul when you died

[valid ridge]

Yea but for this particular fight you it’s even more annoying because you don’t get that. Or anything else like tool refills. It’s adding a lot to the frustration for me

If they just coded it like a rest it would make my run back like 60 seconds faster

Adds up when I’m on like hour 2

[unique lily]

I feel like you're kinda deliberately ignoring genuine advice three different ppl are giving you to get through this fight easier

[elder ivy]

act 3 spoilers: ||hornet|| doesn't say ||shaw!!|| 😔

[feral bobcat]

If you feel like tools will help a lot then you could leave to the bellway for a bit, go to ||grand bellway|| then||first shrine||, farm rosaries turn into shard bundles

Have em at the ready for phase 2

[dense kindle]

the public event flags do give you full ammo

[feral bobcat]

But some ||bile|| enemy does

Poser

[dense kindle]

also in what content in Destiny did you need full heavy ammo and super in the open world

[unique lily]

I'm almost starting to think if this is an elaborate rage bait bc they aren't responding to any messages or advice and just come in here to complain

[dense kindle]

Raids, Dungeons, and Campaign missions all have flags to refill all your resources before large encounters

Many Exotic Missions as well

[valid ridge]

Yea they changed it after like. Idk. 5 years of people telling them to

And it made the game way better

Took them years to implement something that was a huge QOL improvement.

[elder ivy]

good point....

must be vigilant at all times!

[dense kindle]

please don't ever play ff14 I think you'd explode

[valid ridge]

How does that help? The issue isn’t me || having shards it’s he game doesn’t reload your tools for this fight ||

Or || reset perks like the mask ||

[unique lily]

I'm suggesting you watch a no hit video of the fight on yt to help you understand it better. I can link one if you want

[elder ivy]

the strategy of taking a break and touching some grass can genuinely help a lot!!!!

and I say it as someone who desperately doesn't want to touch any grass because I think it'll kill me!!!

[dense kindle]

is there a video for no hit high halls gauntlet

[feral bobcat]

U're out of tools so just resetting them for one try could help
And then if its ok to give up the time, walking to the bench

[dense kindle]

I need that

[unique lily]

I don't think so lol. Watch a speedrun ig? or one of those "high halls gauntlet made easy" vids

or use beast crest 🔥

[feral bobcat]

Hell no

[unique lily]

its amazing for gauntlets trust

[feral bobcat]

Too bad i aint got any left

Reaper or wanderer just swept em

[unique lily]

they're probably struggling on ||first sinner|| bc they are a ||reaper|| main. that shi some ass

[elder ivy]

reminded of that Will smith meme 😭

Just because I am stuck on a boss doesn't mean I use the reaper!!
I mean... I do use the reaper...
but it's not because i'm stuck on the boss!!

[unique lily]

lmaoooo

[elder ivy]

thank you thank you 🙂‍↕️

[unique lily]

rare lilac funny moment

[elder ivy]

you laugh at my jokes quite often wdyyyymmmm

[feral bobcat]

One for the ages

[unique lily]

shhhh

[valid ridge]

Just found out there’s a bug where if you heal during a phase transition it takes your yarn but doesn’t heal you 😩

[feral bobcat]

Oh yea that s annoying

Not really a bug imo it just forces ur character into another state

Ig they could just give u the heal but that's more like coding around an intended interaction, only to favor the player

[valid ridge]

We got it boys. Sorry for whining. That just really didn’t vibe with me as a fight compared to most of them. Many have but that one really felt the closest to “unfair” as any boss has for some reason.

[feral bobcat]

Hell yea big win

Itll help with|| a future boss pattern|| ending spoilers

[valid ridge]

Whelp. I really really thought that the reward was gonna be || the SS version of the shade dash where you can dash and have i frames since the boss was doing like a cool teleporting and then it was just a skill 😩😩😩 || lol dang I should’ve asked what it was I would’ve come back later if I knew

[feral bobcat]

Do you want a spoiler

Related to dash

[elder ivy]

that ||skill is some of the most insane damage you'll ever see though, it's EXTREMELY powerful if you manage to pull it off||

like it can literally kill one of those ||guys near the first shrine area in ONE usage if 3-4 orbs allign, I think||

[feral bobcat]

Never used it

Maybe twice

Barely hit anything

[elder ivy]

I do because ||I have no idea what you're talking about 😔 like you never improve it||

[elder ivy]

Yeah because you have to use it smartly

[feral bobcat]

||the dash spell||

[elder ivy]

It's really weak though and uses up silk

[feral bobcat]

Oonga boonga bash thing that moves

[feral bobcat]

Hey at leat its in the game

I don't like it much now but eh

[elder ivy]

😔 💔

[feral bobcat]

||silk storm|| my goat

Been with me for so long i may aswell have it hardcoded to my character

If i could give up an architect tool for it i would

[valid ridge]

I’m fine spoiling but do you get any || iframe dash like in HK? ||

[feral bobcat]

||as a skill, not for the core dash
Not as op, but its there||

[dense kindle]

no

[feral bobcat]

https://youtube.com/shorts/9RIG8TifbRc

[valid ridge]

😩

[unique lily]

me asf when I learned ||sherma was in whiteward||. never locked in harder in my life

[feral bobcat]

Whiteward got the swat raid treatment

[unique lily]

lmaoooo I just almost spawnkilled beastfly 2 with ||voltvessels||

this tool is actually cracked

[feral bobcat]

https://youtu.be/mCvPlkSi9Jg

[feral bobcat]

||https://youtu.be/f39xCFUjCs8||

Act 3 spoilers

Ok so i miss out on 2 bosses ig

And one wacky npc

Urgh

[unique lily]

time to replay

[echo hazel]

oh my god

I did everything except the two bossfights

[unique lily]

I'm trying to get the cursed ending right now and I have to say, I'd like to apologize to ||Grand Mother Silk|| for every time I called her a pushover

[deep hemlock]

killed second beastfly

honestly was fun

but i def think the lava minions were overkill

[white lotus]

I hate ||Seth|| I know it is blasphemous

[solar hound]

I have a genuine question

Does the encounter at ||the forum|| end

Holy Christ

Holy Christ on a stick

[short swift]

lowkey about to drop hollow knight cos of watcher knights

the double jump just straight up refuses to work

[solar hound]

The watcher knights are really hard

There’s a little bit of input delay with the double jump

[short swift]

which is stupid

[solar hound]

I promise once you do it it’ll be really satisfying

[short swift]

How am i supposed to beat it if the tools i have at my disposal literally wont work

[solar hound]

I know this won’t sound helpful

[short swift]

theres no way to gain any further height to avoid the roll

[solar hound]

But they’re beatable without monarch wings

Try pogoing more

[short swift]

i try but they just jump up and dmg me lol

[solar hound]

If you pogo you’ll get the extra height and it’s much more responsive

[short swift]

so theres no use doing that either

Literally just gets me hit even more

😭

[solar hound]

Been there

The watcher knights made me want to die

[short swift]

its frustrating bc i know i can do it if the monarch wings would actually do their job

[solar hound]

But then I tried them again a few years later and it didn’t feel so bad! Muscle memory is a crazy thing

To be clear I did beat the game within that time, that was my second playthrough lmao

You got this :]

[short swift]

i really dont

bc the jump wont work

i cant pogo for the life of me

[solar hound]

Maybe take a break

[short swift]

No cos then theyll win the mental game

[solar hound]

I’m also considering taking a break because there’s a literally never ending encounter

[short swift]

and i cant lose that LOL

[solar hound]

In silksong

[solar hound]

😞

I understand

Trust me

Why am I beating my head against this unending chamber wtf I have 6 masks I definitely shouldn’t be here

[short swift]

like anytime i try to pogo the knight decides he doesnt have a working frontal cortex and does a regular slash

[solar hound]

Ah another thing to consider

[short swift]

the knight sorry

[solar hound]

Are you maybe underequipped?

[short swift]

nope

i got everything i technically need

[solar hound]

Well you have monarch wings so I probably should have guessed

[short swift]

if i rely on an upgraded nail to do the dmg for me then i wont ever get better

[solar hound]

I call him the hollow knight when I’m mad at him

[boreal isle]

.....how many nail upgrades do you have

[short swift]

if people can beat the game with a default nail i should be able to use the twice upgraded nail to do so

[boreal isle]

oh nvm

[solar hound]

Ah ok it’s upgraded

[short swift]

My point is i cant rely on dps to make up for sloppy gameplay

[boreal isle]

yeah you can

definitely possible

[solar hound]

Tell me please does ||the forum|| encounter end istg

When

When does it end

[boreal isle]

yes

after the double big guys

[solar hound]

I’m gonna fwow up

[short swift]

well i dont want to

i want to best it as i am now

cause i know its possible

ive taken down at least 3

[boreal isle]

are you using spells

[short swift]

yes

[solar hound]

charm setup?

[boreal isle]

there's a way to reduce the total number of watcher knights by 1

[short swift]

i did that

[solar hound]

Oh I’ve heard of that!

[short swift]

so i technically got to the last two like once

[boreal isle]

what are you dying to

[short swift]

the forward roll bc monarch wings wont work
Occasionally the jump roll but i can mostly avoid that

[boreal isle]

the double jump goes down before it goes up

[short swift]

and before you say pogo the knight literally refuses to pogo

like all he does is basic air slash 😭

[solar hound]

I fear it is you who refuses to pogo 😥 you are the knight

[short swift]

everytime i attempt to pogo

No like it literally wont read the input istg

[boreal isle]

your down input doesnt work?

[solar hound]

Is your controller malfunctioning?

[short swift]

like literally everytime one of these gusy rolls forward the input wont read

every other time it reads fine

Istg

[boreal isle]

probably nerves

are you on controller

[short swift]

like does trying to go forward while pogoing not work???

[boreal isle]

oh

yeah

you pogo then do the direction

[short swift]

Like im trying to pogo but im not trying to also stay in the same spot

what if theyre right below me tho

ill just fall on top of them

[boreal isle]

doing downright or downleft i believe just reads as left and right

[solar hound]

You have to land the pogo before you move around

Position yourself a hair in advance to account for it

[boreal isle]

the pogo gives you a lot of height

you won't just plummet

[dense kindle]

I think in future runs I'll just always pick up wanderer ngl

[boreal isle]

whats with the wanderer love

[dense kindle]

because its pogo functions

[boreal isle]

it comes out the same time as most other pogos

[dense kindle]

it is just too often that an enemy is point blank below me because I jumped and they did a lunging attack(as a flyer)

[solar hound]

Wanderer’s strike is so short I just eat contact damage

Maybe once I get the longnail equivalent

[dense kindle]

if an enemy is directly below me I don't believe hunter has any way to fight it, usually just resulting in contact damage

[boreal isle]

dash

[short swift]

also when they trap me in a corner one will jump and the other will roll forward

[boreal isle]

also.... dont position where they are right under you lol

[dense kindle]

that's not damage, and will also usually result in flying into the second flyer

[short swift]

i always have no choice but to take the hit

which is dumb too

imo

[solar hound]

I dash or parachute but it’s a fair point

I take a lot of damage that way

I take even more damage trying to hit things with wanderer lol

[boreal isle]

the dash strike is cool on wanderer

[short swift]

im really trying to learn but this bossfight just feels unlearnable

[boreal isle]

it isn't

[solar hound]

Hollow knight can be mean

But it’s doable

[short swift]

i dont think so tbh

[dense kindle]

like I'm doing the forum gauntlet very undergeared and the biggest issue is that there are so many flyers that I can't fight effectively without a down pogo

[short swift]

ive done 30+ attempts on this one boss

[solar hound]

Twinning??

[short swift]

and this isnt even final boss 😭

[boreal isle]

u should be upslashing fliers

[short swift]

fear i may have to drop the game i dont think im built for whats coming later

[boreal isle]

or side slash

"should" you can play the game how you want

[solar hound]

I upslash fliers but also can’t dodge #gittingud

[dense kindle]

unfortunately they go to ground level which is also pretty annoying

they programmed em good to corner you lol

[boreal isle]

the weird golden ones with the horn?

[dense kindle]

those ones are pretty easy, mostly the flying sword guys

[boreal isle]

if you upslash them they don't get to ground level

[solar hound]

If it’s any consolation, I had very little gaming experience when I played hollow knight, the watchers took me like 5 hours and I almost rage quit and now I can pretty much second try them when I revisit hollow knight

[dense kindle]

flying sword guys and chorus bell throwers are a menace

[boreal isle]

the bell throwers have moves

unhittable enemy

[dense kindle]

fr

[solar hound]

It’s a skill issue, but I mean that in the positive sense bc it will get better

The enemies with the bee drones piss me off so bad

[dense kindle]

harpoon should be the counter but you just fly into their bell point blank

why can they throw 2 bells in a row

[boreal isle]

a lot of flying enemies can't hit you if you are directly under or above them

[solar hound]

I need abyss shriek back

[dense kindle]

yeah, they just reach ground level very quickly

[short swift]

i really like the game but its soul crushing know this isnt even the hardest thing the games throwing at me

and im struggling this hard

[boreal isle]

i don't know what movement you are doing where flying enemies are reaching ground level

[short swift]

even mantis lords didnt take me this long

[dense kindle]

like that wave with 2 sword flyers and 1 bell tosser, the others will reach the ground by the time I kill one

or even get halfway through one

[boreal isle]

that is not an experience i have had, except the horn guys and the ones that have down strikes

[solar hound]

Mantis lords are goated

But they’re also super rhythmic

[boreal isle]

what needle do you have

[dense kindle]

+2

[boreal isle]

silk spear leaves them at 1 hp

[dense kindle]

bell throwers, yes

[solar hound]

With the watchers you need to read the cues instead of relying on muscle memory

[dense kindle]

the sword guys are 3 shot I think after silkspear

3 or 4

[boreal isle]

no it outright kills bellthrowers

[dense kindle]

nope

at least at +2

[boreal isle]

you have the shining needle?

[solar hound]

I mean advice won’t really be helpful, you just need to take a break to let the fight marinate then come back to it with fresh eyes

[solar hound]

How many masks are you at w the gauntlet

[dense kindle]

5

[boreal isle]

???????????????????

[solar hound]

Wow

[boreal isle]

get u some upgrades!!!!!

[dense kindle]

I'm tryna go fast bruv

[boreal isle]

also btw

[short swift]

its like i kill one

[dense kindle]

but yeah I think the next save I'll just pick up wanderer, it's like 2 minutes

[short swift]

the get juggled by the next two

[boreal isle]

needle 2 does 12 damage, silk spear does 3x damage, bellbearers have 35 hp

silk spear is a 1 shot on them

[solar hound]

You should watch a video of someone successfully beating the watchers and copy them

[dense kindle]

where do you find choir bellbearer hp

is it from a discord

[solar hound]

What makes the gauntlet so miserable honestly how long it is

Just spawn all the enemies in at once TC what’s the problem

I can take it I promise 💔

[short swift]

ooohb

[boreal isle]

yes

[short swift]

i got to the last two

[dense kindle]

I don't even think that's true, part of the issue is that it's cramped with flyers

[short swift]

wait

Im confused

[dense kindle]

like the colosseum was so much larger than this arena

[short swift]

do i have to redrop the chandelier or did i just miscount

[dense kindle]

feels very hard to move around at that point in the game

[solar hound]

My biggest issue has been the flyers plus the silk suckers, whatever they’re called

[dense kindle]

the spiders are ok

[solar hound]

I cannot for the life of me gauge their hitbox correctly

[dense kindle]

at least they're squishy

[solar hound]

I try to slash them from the side or below and still miss, that’s why I can’t use wanderer

Contact damage 💔

They never kill me but they pretty much set me up for failure

[solar hound]

What spell are you running? Silkspear?

[dense kindle]

yeah

is there only a single scrollreader in the whole map for act 3

[solar hound]

Bc speedrun or bc it feels optimal to you

[dense kindle]

bruh

[short swift]

wait im getting further

hmm

yeh spell spamming seems the way to go here

[dense kindle]

I mean it's either silkspear or parry so idk

[short swift]

dunno how i'd do it nail only

[dense kindle]

spells are good for multitarget, yeah

[boreal isle]

vs gets like 80 hits per use

needle2 silkspear is 1-shotting bellbearers

[short swift]

oof

almost won i think

[boreal isle]

it leaves reeds with 3 hits left because of the mult unfortunately

[short swift]

it gets rly easy after the second

is there anythign that speeds up cast time?

[boreal isle]

no

[short swift]

didnt thin kso

[solar hound]

Running shaman’s stone right?

[short swift]

yeah

[solar hound]

👍

[short swift]

and the one that gives you more soul on hit with like long nail to fill the last gap

i would do mark of pride but idk

idk if that much more range is necessary

[boreal isle]

do you have quick slash

[short swift]

no but i dont think i rly need it

im getting p far now that ive calmed down a tad

[boreal isle]

quick slash is probably the best charm in the game jsyk

[solar hound]

I’m giving up on the gauntlet for today

At this point I’m messing up from fatigue

[short swift]

im gonna try and record this attempt

[dense kindle]

man that was boring

I think they picked some of these hunter's journal requirements at random

227/234 for hunters journal now

[short swift]

like i know they jump, i know they're always placed right where im about to dash or jump

no matter how hard i try to evade i just cant

theres no rhyme or reason

ill come back to it later

[light widget]

i think i have read a litl bit of it and it was fine 🤔

[feral bobcat]

Ye same

If this means no journal achievement imma be mad

I cant replay a full save file for that one

[echo hazel]

it doesn't, i watched a youtube vid about it

[feral bobcat]

Oh sweet Mary mother of Jesus

https://youtu.be/Z1NM4ZHoavo

[pine skiff]

Hi

[feral bobcat]

||https://youtube.com/shorts/rEb-Bqo5RO0||
||Moorwing|| cheese
Hi

[white lotus]

Is fox playing HK instead of SS?

[white lotus]

Completing the journal in SS is an evil thing to do

I have this feeling we will have frenzy² in SS

[elder ivy]

Toby Fox? He is playing silksong for sure!!!

[unique lily]

lol the original hollow knight has been seeing a record amount of negative reviews in the past month and most of it is "game too hard"

[elder ivy]

😭 No way...

[unique lily]

its like the elden ring situation all over again where a ton of new people entered the franchise and found out that ts ain't so easy

[white lotus]

Lol

[white lotus]

The problem of being mainstream

[unique lily]

like I've seen some valid critique of silksong like the bilewater runback, and lack of rosaries, but some of these negative reviews frankly just look like rage bait

[white lotus]

Sometimes I think giving context for a review would make it more objective

[elder ivy]

He said in a recent interview how silksong is probably going to be his favourite game ever since Undertale release!!

[unique lily]

yeah most reviews are just "omg rng, ganks, unfair bosses"

like if ppl think silksong bosses are unfair I think they'd implode if they played elden ring, dark souls 3, or sekiro

[white lotus]

"person who wants an arrow pointed at the quest objective says HK is bs"
Tells me who I am dealing with and that a metroidvania isn't for this person
Whilst
"Elden ring platinum player says the experience is lacking" may have a very different point and at least has a reason of being

[white lotus]

Still 94% of recent reviews though

[elder ivy]

I wasnt even able to beat Isshin, Malenia or Promised Consort Radahn, but I am at least able to recognizd that it's probably skill issue on my part so I'll still keep liking these games a lot!

[white lotus]

I have DS3 lined up after ss, Hades 2, and some other games I need to finish.

I am scared

[elder ivy]

Ds3 is very hard!!!!!!!

[unique lily]

its not scary but the bosses are on average harder than SS

its fun to learn tho

[elder ivy]

It is scary!!!!!!! First time I saw Vordt I was terrified as hell 😭

[unique lily]

I first tried vordt 💀

[elder ivy]

💀 Wow wth

[unique lily]

maybe bc I played ER first

[elder ivy]

Ohhhg

Yeah I played DS3 first..

[unique lily]

and vordt's moveset is pretty easy compared to someone like margit

[unique lily]

I've always said that your first fromsoftware game is always your hardest

[white lotus]

Sigh... I am not good at builds... I sucked back in diablo 2 too

[elder ivy]

True true...

[unique lily]

you don't really have to be. builds are a fun part of the game but you aren't necessarily punished for not min maxxing

[white lotus]

Btw I did the ||short|| ending of SS, that with only ||2 acts|| is it me or the boss is like... Too easy?

[unique lily]

just pick the mercenary class in ds3 and the sellsword twinblades will carry you for the whole game

[white lotus]

OH!!!!

[white lotus]

Finally some good news

[hearty yarrow]

I did

It was pretty zen

[elder ivy]

I also had the advantage of my ex-bf teaching me all of the mechanics and showing me all the shortcuts lmaoo

I honestly have no idea how you're supposed to figure out otherwise that you're supposed to level up Dexterity for light weapons and Strength for big weapons.. Or how important Vigor is 😭

[hearty yarrow]

Didnt take too long either

[unique lily]

I thought so too until I attempted the cursed ending

[elder ivy]

Dark souls is pretty rough for your first game From Software game

[hearty yarrow]

Like my 60hr 100% includes all ||mementos|| which includes hunter journal

[white lotus]

Oh I thought that the cheesy way is the mage build

[unique lily]

true! stats are like the first thing I explain to new players

[white lotus]

You are evil

[elder ivy]

???? Jeez

[hearty yarrow]

I mean getting everything in the whole game took me 60h total on my first playthrough

[white lotus]

There is no reason to shoot spoilers whilst not answering the question

[hearty yarrow]

Which was like 99% blind

[unique lily]

sorry 💔

[hearty yarrow]

Ofc figuring out game together with others, and I ended up looking up ||seth|| locations

[elder ivy]

It's okay it is kinda out of context! You don't know what any of this means!!

[unique lily]

yeah regular gms is pretty easy

[white lotus]

I didn't get the answer and I get a reference to another ending. So...

[elder ivy]

The answer is yeah it's kinda on the easier end! It's mostly about it being cinematic I suppose

[unique lily]

to be fair the ending is VERY secret. there's like a 0.1% chance you figure it out without asking someone

[hearty yarrow]

I feel like ||grand mother silk is supposed to be easy, it's kind of an anti fight where you are supposed to realize she's not the final challenge||

[hearty yarrow]

||I figured it out post act 3 ye||

[white lotus]

Ok, I understand it was my mistake to come back to this channel

[elder ivy]

Yeah I wouldn't have thought to do so at all...

[unique lily]

noooo 💔

[drowsy bear]

im getting really frustrated with the ||shards|| mechanic ngl, it really feels like it just rewards ||farming for rosaries and making the runback to belhart to buy bundles||

like the mechanic is trivial for good players and if you suck you just have to waste time farming

[elder ivy]

only use them in the final phases of bosses to help manage the shards perhaps

[drowsy bear]

i get the intention is to prevent spamming them to make everything trivial

but like

[elder ivy]

Also some farming spots like near || the first shrine are pretty good to farm very quickly||

[hearty yarrow]

Shards are a horrible system

Simple as

Idg why it works like this

It does nothing good

[elder ivy]

It's not the best it could be but it's FAR from horrible come on😭

[unique lily]

I've said this before but I think they should add big rosary drops on boss kills so you always have enough to stock up on shard bundles. I'm on my second playthrough and even though I haven't lost rosaries a single time this run, I still end up having to farm for money which does kinda impede the gameplay a bit

[hearty yarrow]

Shards is just well im out guess my runback now includes 20mins of farming

[drowsy bear]

usually what i do is that i go to ||choral chambers, farm a few hundred rosaries in five minutes and then buy bundles at belhart||

which is extremely boring

i hate doing it

[elder ivy]

Maybe if you die to a boss it could undo the shards you lost too... That could help a lot if you're struggling on a boss for a long time..

[hearty yarrow]

It's anti anything the game does well lol

It's just farm

Like I love the game dont get me wrong I just think this system is hot garbage in any game that systems like it

[elder ivy]

I'd say then just don't do it!! You can beat all the bosses without tools !!

[drowsy bear]

i actually think the rosary system is fine (you get a lot by exploring and farming them is easy if you are in a pitch) but not the shards

[hearty yarrow]

It's sekiro tool stuff again

[elder ivy]

Let the shards and rosaries accumulate on their own

[unique lily]

like the economy 100% should be getting a change in the next patch. I would be VERY surprised if it didn't

its one of the few valid critiques of the game that aren't just skill issue

[drowsy bear]

yeah that's true i just needed tools for ||savage beastfly 2|| and i was getting really frustrated that i had to run to belhart and buy bundles twice lol

[hearty yarrow]

The spirit emblems

Which was also bad

Had to look up the name lol

[unique lily]

Idk I didn't mind those but they could have been better yeah

[hearty yarrow]

I forgive bloodborne's vial system for how easy it is to just have like infinite of em

If it didnt have that

I'd hate it too lol

Like you just buy 300 and never care again

[unique lily]

mfs love forgiving bloodborne's design flaws just bc the game looks cool and spooky (I'm mfs)

[hearty yarrow]

But I really dont get why tools dont just recharge at benches and have some arbitrary resource to farm

[unique lily]

Martyr Logarius runback who?

[hearty yarrow]

Like what does this do

Except be bad

Lol

[elder ivy]

I'll forgive miyazaki for anything ❤️

[hearty yarrow]

Miyazaki wouldnt forgive himself

He likes being in pain

Why the broken heart he has said as much

'For me, I make these games because this is how I imagine I want to die' - miyazaki

[unique lily]

I have seen a lot of good players suggest just entirely removing the shard system but I don't know how that could work without completely breaking architect's crest

[hearty yarrow]

Funny interview btw he just starts telling everyone during it that he's a masochist and would love to die in all the ways the dark souls protag can lol

[hearty yarrow]

Remove the crest

[drowsy bear]

i think the thing i hate about shards is that if you're good it's just trivial and you don't even notice it, if you're bad then it's all you are worrying about

[unique lily]

hell nah its my baby

[drowsy bear]

like you can just spam tools if you are going to kill them first or second try

[hearty yarrow]

Or just limit how many tools it can make before having to bench again

[drowsy bear]

it's rewarding to those who already are skilled and punishing towards those who suck ass

[hearty yarrow]

Doubt shards get removed tho

Bit too integral

I think they knew tho

Cause steel soul has some item that just kinda makes em

[drowsy bear]

hmmm fair i like that crest too, i like overdosing on ||lifeblood||

[unique lily]

I still think increasing rosary rewards just mostly fixes this bc you can stock up on hella shard bundles if you have a surplus of rosaries

just give us rosary drops on boss kills dammit

[hearty yarrow]

Oh ye oops

[echo hazel]

haha get dyno'd

[hearty yarrow]

No cursing

Anyway uh ye this is the logical workaround to not have the system be bad and garbage but also not have to remove it from the game

Like it wont make the system good it just will make it exist as little as possible lol

[unique lily]

thing is, if you play HK without dying a lot and losing geo, you'll have enough money to afford everything except the unbreakable charms, while in silksong, you can't even afford half the stuff in the shops without farming, even if you don't lose rosaries

so yeah the economy 100% needs a buff

[hearty yarrow]

I think the 20% tax on rosary strings is actually not bad when I calc my total losses to double deaths

[unique lily]

that's like my one gripe with the otherwise (imo) perfect game (also beastfly 2)

[unique lily]

yeah they are definitely great for a first playthrough. I was also thinking that maybe the lack of rosaries was my fault bc I was dying too much, but in my second run, I barely die at all and have never lost my rosaries and I STILL have to farm. This is an issue that just hurts the replayability of this game. The main silver lining here is that HK's economy was also pretty wack in release from what I heard, so maybe its just something TC doesn't get first try

[feral bobcat]

Worst curse upon your favorite game: having it become mainstream

[feral bobcat]

Most people would combust at the sight of ||lost lace|| title card

[rustic falcon]

and on the same hand, its the best blessing, because people make more fanart and stuff and its great

[hearty yarrow]

Idk if mainstream is an issue

[feral bobcat]

Yin and yang

Pale and void

[hearty yarrow]

It's also idk valid for people to find game too hard

Just another experience people have with a game

[rustic falcon]

hollow knight has been out for quite a while and people who want to play it will not be deterred by negative reviews that say its too hard

[hearty yarrow]

We can all just disagree and shake hands idk

[rustic falcon]

same goes for the souls games. or i guess fromsoft in general

[feral bobcat]

How long did it take lmao

[elder ivy]

NO!

[unique lily]

idk writing a negative review for difficulty is always an L in my book. Yeah the game might not be for you but that doesn't mean its bad

[hearty yarrow]

YOU'RE SO RIGHT MY OPINION IS LAW ACTUALLY

[rustic falcon]

disagree and draw your sword! if you wanna fight me then fight me

[elder ivy]

MY opinion!!!

[unique lily]

still on it lol

[hearty yarrow]

I mean a bad review is not game objectively bad it's my experience of game was bad

Which it might have been

Only they know

Lol

[rustic falcon]

its a mix of the two

[feral bobcat]

Tbf i got pretty close naturally, still googled stuff for the quest but the quest itself tells u what to do so its no spoilers

[hearty yarrow]

Like idk if they go I had bad experience cause I didnt expect game this hard

That's fine

[unique lily]

nah but so many ppl just go for the "objective bad game design" card its actually infuriating

[hearty yarrow]

Their opinion their experience

Their problem

Idk why that matters really

Like it's just an opinion of the game

[unique lily]

it doesn't but its still a little silly

[rustic falcon]

it matters for the review score

[hearty yarrow]

Ye I think so

Too

But it's also like idk to each their own

[rustic falcon]

maybe a little less for silksong because it got 50 reviews that are mostly positive in the first few days

[hearty yarrow]

Metacritic is still 90/9.1 anyway

[feral bobcat]

How far then

[unique lily]

got to second phase. Will do more attempts after breakfast

[feral bobcat]

Best of luck child wielding needle

[hearty yarrow]

Hk is still overwhelmingly positive

[rustic falcon]

thats a general statement

i dont think hk will ever drop out of that

[hearty yarrow]

Ye

[feral bobcat]

I think she took me a good couple dozen(s) of runs ngl cuz i was really exhausted and kept dying to not noticing the lances, they blend in the background

[faint hollow]

silksong is a bit lower on steamdb

like 80%

[hearty yarrow]

Not too surprising

It has plenty issues

[faint hollow]

agreed

[hearty yarrow]

I still think it's fantastic tho

Like it's a goty contender for me still

[faint hollow]

I think it's deeply, deeply flawed

[unique lily]

that's actually mostly due to chinese reviews

[feral bobcat]

Y'all found any cool mods for the game btw

[unique lily]

huge mistranslation problems

[feral bobcat]

Apart from the 3 mask damage instead of 2

[faint hollow]

yeah

[hearty yarrow]

And also impossible to rate

Cause the quality to money ratio

Is insane

Lol

[faint hollow]

it's one of the best metroidvanias I have ever played, especially for the price as you mentioned

but it's just annoying as well

[hearty yarrow]

Like any moment im like this is bad im also like this game was 20 bucks

[unique lily]

HK is interesting bc I've seen many ppl not get into the game bc they found the crossroads to be too long and boring which is VERY fair

[hearty yarrow]

HK start is really bad

[faint hollow]

that's crazy

[hearty yarrow]

Like realllly bad

You have no real movement

And depending on skill you can be stuck without dash for a long time

[faint hollow]

metroidvania moment

[hearty yarrow]

Ye but

[unique lily]

like HK doesn't pick up at all until the hornet fight or like mantis lords

[hearty yarrow]

Like a lot of them start with something more

[faint hollow]

true

[hearty yarrow]

A dash, a wallclimb, anything

Like silksong has a mantle lol

[austere wadi]

I replayed the first half-ish of Hollow Knight on the 3rd, it's hard but it's not Silksong.

[hearty yarrow]

It has at least something

Knight just walks

[unique lily]

its the tutorial to silksong lol

[hearty yarrow]

For the average player hk is also real linear till city of tears

[faint hollow]

yeah silksong (IMO) is just way too overtuned

[feral bobcat]

Speaking of hk
I only have 2 pantheons done so maybe i should get back into it one day , maybe

[hearty yarrow]

Or more accurately till wallclimb

[faint hollow]

p5 let's go

[unique lily]

Idk second playthrough feels pretty chill

[faint hollow]

that's because it's a second playthrough

[unique lily]

hmmm

[hearty yarrow]

Silk took me about as long to 100% as hk I think

I died a lot in both first time around

[feral bobcat]

Im at over 90 hours save file and still not 100% silk but tbf i never 100%d hk however i only got 50-60 hours thwre

[hearty yarrow]

I am of course better at the game and team cherry's takes on the genre than I was before ever playing hk

But still

[faint hollow]

I'm only 35 hours save file time

idk how far I am to the end

[unique lily]

I lowkey want them to add an easy mode instead of nerfing the game more bc that will make the experience for new players easier while still having the difficulty there for replayability

[faint hollow]

yeah I agree

[hearty yarrow]

Im going for the speed achievements now lol

[faint hollow]

games having no accessibility modes / easy modes is just tragic

[feral bobcat]

Best of luck, godspeed

[hearty yarrow]

I can do 5hr idk if I manage 30 tho

That one sounds kinda annoying

[faint hollow]

apparently the 5hr speedrun is fairly easy

[hearty yarrow]

Ye

Im 50m in and almost in act 2

[faint hollow]

lol

[lost igloo]

Dead Cells Handles that so well

[feral bobcat]

Doesnt dead cells only have ways to make it harder?

Boss cells

[unique lily]

the speedrun route has been optimized to like 1 hour 5 mins I believe

[feral bobcat]

Basically the vows of hades

Making the game easier would be like God mode

[austere wadi]

Dead Cells is also a very long grind.

[feral bobcat]

Tho its an amazing game

[unique lily]

Hades and Hades 2 handle it the best imo

[faint hollow]

yeah I think so as well

[feral bobcat]

I still havent done i think 4bc 5bc in deadcells

[austere wadi]

"Aspects" were added to DC a few years ago.

[faint hollow]

Celeste also does it very well for its type of game

[lost igloo]

nah, plenty of options including giving you a bigger window of time for parries, auto map unlock, retries, ect

[hearty yarrow]

Ye following this route with a gazillion deaths should still be safe

[faint hollow]

dang

[austere wadi]

Honestly? Stop at 4 unless you really want a 100% file and the true final boss.

[faint hollow]

I might try it then after I get 100%

[austere wadi]

The trade-off for Boss Stem Cells 1-4 is more drops against enemies and higher tier drops.

[feral bobcat]

GOD now i wanna get back into dadcells aswell for the final boss

I havent yet fought that lab guy

[lost igloo]

whaaat! no way, that lst boss fight is so fun!

[austere wadi]

5 just gives you one more area, a few more unlocks, and adds Malaise, an absolutely miserable Hard Mode mechanic.

[unique lily]

I have beaten the dead cells final boss a lot of times. and honestly dracula is more fun lol

[feral bobcat]

Hades 2 deadcells silksong hollow knight, all the games lilac and fraud recommended, team fortress 2.... Urghhhh

[feral bobcat]

Dracula is a banger forsure

[unique lily]

malaise is essentially dead cells' vow of time

[feral bobcat]

I had him stuck in the floor once

[austere wadi]

If the Lighthouse weren't so awful I'd say just run the Queen every time.

[lost igloo]

lighthouse untouched was the hardest achievement in the game lol

[unique lily]

queen is way too easy lol. She just falls apart to any root build

[hearty yarrow]

If I get the 5hr one I just continue it with the 30hr attempt lol

[austere wadi]

The people who do that on 5 boss stem cells are inhuman.

[unique lily]

Dracula is my goat bc the fight is a banger and the region before him is the best one in the game imo. The music is so peak

I love astrolab too though

[feral bobcat]

I genuinely forgot the regions but yea dracula is the shi

I mean i last played in august 2024

[lost igloo]

speaking of dead cells Castlevania music... it's almost as good as the Vampire Survivors Castlevania soundtrack =p

[unique lily]

I last played earlier this year

[hearty yarrow]

Have you heard of this decently good roguelike

Hades 2

Anyway uh

[feral bobcat]

Hollow knight september 2022

God damn

[unique lily]

omg is that the sequel to the critically acclaimed Hades?????

[hearty yarrow]

No

Sorry!

[unique lily]

oh 💔

[hearty yarrow]

Silksong being announced during h1 EA and now h2 and it releasing in the same month is kinda funny

[feral bobcat]

Hades as a game for a percy jackson fan has been one of the best experiences of a lifetime

Speaking of that

[lost igloo]

Jersy Packson

[unique lily]

Hollow Knight: ShoeLace when?

[hearty yarrow]

Silksong as a game for a hollow knight fan has been one of the best experiences of a lifetime

[unique lily]

on GOD

so hyped for dlc and future patches (buff reaper and beast pls 🙏 )

[feral bobcat]

https://youtube.com/shorts/23nN4-fbJcI

Percy Jackson gang

[feral bobcat]

Silksong as a game for a silk my song till i hollow my knight fan has been one of the best experiences of a lifetime

[feral bobcat]

Radiance beastfly come on lets go

[unique lily]

Silking my song until I was hollow was one of the best experiences of a lifetime

[elder ivy]

Precept Fifty-Three: 'Do Not Steal the Desires of Others'. Every creature keeps their desires locked up inside of themselves. If you catch a glimpse of another's desires, resist the urge to claim them as your own. It will not lead you to happiness.

[feral bobcat]

Or pale ||lace|| , poor child cant catch a break
Abused, beaten, lost, reclaimed

Genuinely how would they improve the fight

[elder ivy]

make her infused with void so she shoots off void tendrils that deal 3 masks of damage!!!!
oh wait....

[feral bobcat]

Hahaha

Team cherry would never do that

[elder ivy]

yeah that's a bit too much

[hearty yarrow]

Unless

[feral bobcat]

After all they make simple games for simple people

[unique lily]

I dont think they can without making it a bit unfair. Its like at the limit of being difficult while still being fair

[feral bobcat]

Thats why beastfly is only a one time fight type of deal

[hearty yarrow]

I think the game can be improved by making the whole damage thing better by turning everything radiant

[unique lily]

I just spawnkilled beastfly 2 on my second run. Not dealing with all that again

[feral bobcat]

Wheres the 3 mask damage mod pic

[hearty yarrow]

I have it but I dont have a funny link

[feral bobcat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1404551136425414878/1417040945723084893/FB_IMG_1757919257980.jpg?ex=68ca5b38&is=68c909b8&hm=57fe9fcd6c674a4ccf7795262acc9b9f043b6f466a1ff572b6053ffb3c2eae2d&

[hearty yarrow]

Thank

[feral bobcat]

Yes

Btw did yall know ||moorwing|| can be cheesed lmao

[unique lily]

yeah I saw a short on it

[feral bobcat]

.

[hearty yarrow]

He can also be entirely skipped

[feral bobcat]

Imagine skipping a journal entry

[hearty yarrow]

Way better cheese tbh

[feral bobcat]

Could never do that cough shakra

[unique lily]

this is nothing. you just know hollow knight fans will be beating the game hitless blindfolded when they are being driven mad waiting for Hollow Knight: ShoeLace for 10 years

[hybrid jetty]

wow after everything people were saying about beastfly the 2nd i was expecting something way worse

easier than the first which messed me up

[unique lily]

well its easily the worst fight in the game so congrats on getting through without losing your mind!

[unique lily]

wow really?

[hybrid jetty]

yeah beastfly 1 is wayyyy worse

he spawns more stuff and its a smaller arena

[austere wadi]

How early did you find the Chapel of the Beast and what Tools did you have equipped during the rematch?

[unique lily]

idk the adds in beastfly 1 are more telegraphed which makes them a lot easier to spawnkill than beastfly 2

[hybrid jetty]

I didn't use tools during the rematch

i keep forgetting about them

[austere wadi]

Blue and yellow charms?

[feral bobcat]

Ngl beastfly is easy but the aura we give em is too funny so the agenda must be maintained

[austere wadi]

Magma Bell took a lot of the terror out of the rematch.

[hybrid jetty]

i'm using beast crest so no blue charms
compass and the money wallet

[unique lily]

the beastfly memes must go on (even if it gets nerfed next patch)

[hybrid jetty]

i went to beastfly 1 like right before blasted sands i think

[feral bobcat]

In terms of difficulty id say theres ||first sinner||, ||lost lace|| and then everything is a few dozen rungs below

[unique lily]

imagine team cherry nerfs beastfly 2 in the next patch and then you get a wave of people bragging about how they beat it pre patch

[feral bobcat]

Hahahaha

[unique lily]

flea juggle tho

[feral bobcat]

Ain't there yet

Havent played today

[hybrid jetty]

i dont think its gonna get nerfed

[feral bobcat]

Wanna get shroom ending then fleqs

Fleas

Also got the whole ||surgeon key unraveled||

[hybrid jetty]

though thank god they changed platforming hazards doing 2 damage that was awful

[unique lily]

I mean they nerfed moorwing and sister splinter so what makes you think beastfly is off the table?

[austere wadi]

I can't believe I made it through Cogwork before that nerf.

[feral bobcat]

Funny how the animation still makes u think ull take 2 hits

[unique lily]

sister splinter got done dirty she's so fodder now

[hybrid jetty]

What did they even change about them

[feral bobcat]

I aint remember her dude

[hybrid jetty]

moorwing was really annoying but sister splinter wasn't even hard she could just trap you in unavoidable damage if you were unlucky

[feral bobcat]

Moorwing was just what beastfly does
Teaches to not be an idiot who wastes away their mobility for nothing

[unique lily]

lowered damage, sister splinter's vines are easier to break, and I believe adds also deal less dmg

[feral bobcat]

Lay low if you can, jump if necessary

Dont be dumb and you win

[unique lily]

moorwing is a good boss and I will die on that hill

[feral bobcat]

I think they should punish early game stupidity, the game doesnt joke ariund

Ongod

[austere wadi]

I think I had more trouble with Moorwing. Once I switched to Thread Storm I put Sister Splinter down pretty quickly

[hybrid jetty]

nothing about beastfly screams unbalanced to me

[feral bobcat]

It annoyed me but it made me learn what the game is all about

[feral bobcat]

Fr

[unique lily]

same, especially after my second playthrough

[feral bobcat]

Also 2nd beastfly actually nerfs itself

It can fall in the lava and u get free time

[unique lily]

there's some act 3 bosses that I think shouls be a bit more challenging tho

[feral bobcat]

And yes the adds are easier just thread storm them

[feral bobcat]

||khann||

I think the other 3 are fine ish

||clove dancers|| could be a bit harder but eu

Eh

||nelyth|| is fine

[unique lily]

||Clover dancers|| and ||Nyleth|| too for me

[feral bobcat]

||karm|| was a pain until i got some sleep

Former i agree but latter idk its fine

Its one of the very few Bosses who give literally near zero ground to stand on

[unique lily]

also that one watcher at the edge guy was so free he felt like an early game HK boss. Palestag too

[feral bobcat]

Learning the moveset is challenge enough in its own + ||seth||

[elder ivy]

wow 🔥

[feral bobcat]

Watcher?

[unique lily]

secret boss in sands of karak

[feral bobcat]

Can u find his name

[hybrid jetty]

beast crest is just kinda nuts its not that impressive

you do so much damage and can outheal everything

[feral bobcat]

I need to fight every boss i can

[elder ivy]

his name is ||"Watcher at the edge"||;

[unique lily]

its ||Watcher at the edge||

[elder ivy]

or something like that

[hybrid jetty]

the only downside is platforming becomes Interesting

™

[unique lily]

bro has like 3 attacks and mostly just spams one

the uppercut into slam

[feral bobcat]

Huh he looks familiar

Did i only see him in lilacs Tierlist or did i fight him

[unique lily]

he's one of the ||khann|| soldiers

[feral bobcat]

I cant remember him

Worth going for it when i open the game

More boss fights yayyy

I got like 1 left anyway

And i dont how to get his key

[unique lily]

fair warning its a pretty mid fight

[feral bobcat]

Does he drop smthinngood

[unique lily]

memento

[feral bobcat]

I still need that one simple key

Eugh

Then i dont have him

[feral bobcat]

I swear i killed everything in sinners road no key

I got the key from sands from bone bottom from shrine

[unique lily]

try going to the top of the right most room in sinners

the big tall room with a bunch of platforming at the top

[feral bobcat]

Oh

Someone said to just kill chain guys

Will see

I mightve not explored that idk

[unique lily]

yeah there's a chain guy there who drops it

in a locked room

[feral bobcat]

Also sinners is a pretty mid region now that i went through it again in my attempt to find the key

[unique lily]

the music is heat tho

[feral bobcat]

Its like , take the only thing bad from bile , and add it to more bad things

Same as ducts

[unique lily]

its got the cheeks bossfight tho

that's gotta be a point

[feral bobcat]

The cheeks mmm

Whole cake served in the kitchen

I swear tho the amount of butt enemies in silksong is so wild

Theres cheek ||chef|| , excrement ||broodmother||, ||bell eater||

[unique lily]

wait you're so right...

"guys we were having too much fun adding new features to the game!" The features in question:

[feral bobcat]

Hahahahah

[tribal lotus]

i think you can attempt beast fly immediately after getting dash and cloak. i can’t precisely recall. i think the fight is hard at this point. and stubborn me bashed against it early game till it was dead. its reputation probably comes from people like me finding it early game and being stubborn. the “boss” order if you do this is moss mother, skull ant guard thing, chorus, beast fly. you haven’t learned the game at this point.

[unique lily]

and you have very few tools and spells to deal with adds at that point so thats also a factor

[unique lily]

Lets gooooo I beat the gilf while cursed

actually such a fun way of fighting this boss

[elder ivy]

you get 0 healing, does it mean you have to do it hitlessly??

[unique lily]

not hitless, like within 4-5 hits

also no tools and no spells

[elder ivy]

oh wow 💔

[unique lily]

I was underwhelmed by this boss at first but now it makes sence why she's so easy bc she needs to be balanced for the cursed ending

If she was harder normally cursed ending would be a nightmare

[elder ivy]

I wonder if people will speedrun this ending!

[unique lily]

given enough time they will

there's hollow knight speedruns that involve cutting all pieces of grass as fast as possible. No reason why those wont carry over to silksong lol

I love this community

[elder ivy]

😭

that's kinda funny

[unique lily]

there's also low% true ending which involved farming birds in one room for 40 hours

[elder ivy]

also wow watching Blue speedrun this game is so frustrating sometimes because he talks so much which isn't bad by itself but he messed up soooo many sequences because he doesn't pay enough attention to the game 😭

[unique lily]

gotta keep up the content grind

[elder ivy]

he was so busy yapping he lost count of those things you need for the glide and he had to restart the run because of that 💔

[unique lily]

though I appreciate that he explains the route EVERY SINGLE TIME he does a run lol. its bad for his focus but I love that he still cares enough to explain it to all the new viewers lol

[elder ivy]

true!!

he seems passionate and I like it!

[unique lily]

you should watch his video on the history of HK speedruns. Its a super well done documentary on how the HK route has evolved since 2017

[elder ivy]

I did!!!!

it was pretty good

I loved the section about Fireborn soooo much

genuinely gave me shivers... "this one player who joined the discord and didn't know what quickcast is... and then a bit later he got the new WR!!.. and it was..... FIREBORN!"

hahahahah